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Speaker 1: the college football podcast to get you ready. Welcome in

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Late Kick Extra podcast. I'm Josh Pate.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, June fifteenth, the year of our lawer,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. If you are a Week zero person,

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Speaker 1: Late kick Josh on Twitter, at late Kick Josh on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We've got a wide open array. And you know how

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Speaker 1: rarely I use that word of questions. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to start it off talking about dark courses. Everyone wants one,

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Speaker 1: but no one wants to pick one. Mac and Dino Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Since they submitted the question, we'll give them a shout

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Speaker 1: out there. They start us off and they ask, when

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Speaker 1: was the last time the media actually got the dark

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Speaker 1: in short, never, I don't really remember it ever happening.

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Speaker 1: Did anyone pick Missouri back in the mid twenty teens,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember it now these days it's kind of

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Speaker 1: hard to picture a dark horse. If anyone other than

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Speaker 1: dark horse, I guess in that sense. LSU twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: ended up being one of, if not the best college

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Speaker 1: football teams of all time. They were a dark horse

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Speaker 1: in the preseason, well for almost everyone. Longtime viewers of

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Speaker 1: this show back when we were independent, remember we were

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Speaker 1: on that train pretty early. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: it was around this time last year. If you were

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Speaker 1: listening to or watching the show, you remember I caught

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Speaker 1: some heat because I was picking a little known team

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Speaker 1: Big Twelve. I even picked them to go to the playoff,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of you knocked me for it, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't really care. I mean, it's not like there's

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Speaker 1: Because there was no money riding on it, why not

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Speaker 1: Madness comes around, everyone's pretty sure all the chalk's not

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Speaker 1: even because I still get it thrown in my safe

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Speaker 1: face every day. But we're gonna get to SEC media

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Speaker 1: days in about a month, a little over a month,

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Speaker 1: and you'll have the media pick Georgia in the East,

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Speaker 1: and you'll have them pick Alabama in the West, and

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Speaker 1: you'll have this familiar refrain, but why doesn't anyone ever

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Speaker 1: Remember what the national championship ods were. Ohio State clear

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Speaker 1: Next up, this morning or afternoon. Appreciate you whatever time

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Speaker 1: me where you listen. We had someone I think in

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Speaker 1: or lacking Angel. There we go. This is a good endpoint.

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Speaker 1: Same with similar scenarios Brian Kelly and Marcus Freeman, Mario

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, of course it does. How can it not?

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Speaker 1: And it's the same way. Imagine Brian Kelly having been

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Speaker 1: trades for some do, some don't. Scrapshoot. In college, the

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Speaker 1: It's not like a general manager comes in and overrules

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Speaker 1: way that works. But what can happen. And what is

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Speaker 1: My question is when that happens, you don't have any

430
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Speaker 1: further answers can propose a solution to where, well, if

431
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Speaker 1: a team loses in their conference championship game, they're not

432
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Speaker 1: allowed in because the most powerful conference is not going

433
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Speaker 1: to sign off on it. You're never gonna say you

434
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Speaker 1: have to be a conference champ to get in because

435
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: the most powerful conference is not gonna sign off on it.

436
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: Hogan says no. And once Hogan says no, you're gonna

437
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: have the door open for this sort of thing. Ohio State,

438
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, in previous years, you get Ohio State to

439
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Speaker 1: slip up a couple of times in the regular season. Good,

440
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: they're out of the way. Now, maybe one of us

441
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: can win the title. In this world, all it means

442
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: is Ohio State's a nine seed and then they get

443
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Speaker 1: to take an underachieving but supremely talented roster and let

444
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Speaker 1: them rest up and let them heal up, and they

445
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Speaker 1: get a reprieve and they get a second chance. And

446
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: so almost here's what it starts feeling like for those

447
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Speaker 1: elite teams. It feels like the season starts in December,

448
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: because if you've got rosters as deep as Ohio State, Georgia,

449
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: and Bama. Do you know what it's gonna take to

450
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Speaker 1: keep them out of the playoff? And so I'm looking

451
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Speaker 1: at this cowge baseball thing right now. The structures of

452
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: the sport are like apples to bowling balls. So I'm

453
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Speaker 1: not comparing the sports. I'm just saying there are some

454
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 1: folks who don't like the current product headed to Omaha.

455
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna like college football's expanded playoff a lot less

456
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: because there's infinitely more parody in baseball than there will

457
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Speaker 1: ever be in football. You cannot, for the life of yourself,

458
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: predict what's gonna happen in college baseball. Football is a

459
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: little bit different, but baseball. Predicting that sport is like

460
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: predicting when this is going to happen. They gave me

461
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Speaker 1: a seven out of ten in the control room on

462
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Speaker 1: that ad toss. I thought it was some of my

463
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Speaker 1: best work. But if you saw it coming, you saw

464
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Speaker 1: it coming. I think you're lying. But if you saw

465
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Speaker 1: it coming, I'll I guess take your word for it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to the mail bag here, Brandon, fantastic question,

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Speaker 1: what is your favorite name for a college football game?

468
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Speaker 1: Mine would be the Holy War. It's ironic because that's

469
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Speaker 1: one of my very favorites, and I consider myself a

470
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: failure in life for having not been to the game yet.

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Speaker 1: The Holy War is Brigham Young versus Utah. I think

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Speaker 1: it's been a long enough and I think we have

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Speaker 1: gained a large enough new audience that I need to

474
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Speaker 1: remind you. I do not use the acronym associated with

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Speaker 1: Brigham Young because I cannot say the why. A couple

476
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Speaker 1: of you have asked about this over the last week.

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Speaker 1: I have trouble saying the what. When I say it, it

478
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: sounds like this BYU. It's just unnatural for me. It's

479
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: like trying to hit left handed. It's like trying to juggle.

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00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: If you can't, I can't draw. And yet I have

481
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Speaker 1: a better time drawing than I do say in the acronym.

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Speaker 1: So Brigham Young versus Utah. Every time I've watched this game,

483
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Speaker 1: and I was a kid growing up in the South,

484
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: I would watch that game. It felt like a game

485
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Speaker 1: that matched the intensity and the hatred, which can be

486
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Speaker 1: beautiful in the right context of the games that I

487
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: grew up watching. You know, I grew up smack dab

488
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Speaker 1: in the middle of Bama Auburn and Georgia Auburn because

489
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Speaker 1: I grew up right on the Chattahoochee River in Columbus, Georgia,

490
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: and so it's perfect. It's very underrated. Columbus as a

491
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: pinpoint on a map is a very underrated place to

492
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Speaker 1: be situated in thellege football sphere anyway. So the Holy

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Speaker 1: War is first. Then I want to go off the

494
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Speaker 1: radar because I think the best overall name for a

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Speaker 1: college football game is Iowa State versus Kansas State. And

496
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Speaker 1: I don't know that a lot of you are aware,

497
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Speaker 1: even some hardcore folks. Now you're listening to a college

498
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: football podcast in June, so you are clearly about this life.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what the Iowa State Kansas State game

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Speaker 1: is called. It's called Farmageddon. I don't know how it

501
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Speaker 1: gets any better. I can't believe it's not a bigger name.

502
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: I can't believe that somebody didn't steal the name and

503
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: attach it to a bigger, more high profile game. When

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Speaker 1: we were at the Iowa State Iowa game this past year,

505
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Speaker 1: one of our diehard fans pulled me off to the

506
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Speaker 1: side after the game was ended, and he's an Iowa

507
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Speaker 1: State fan. So the afternoon did not go the way

508
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Speaker 1: he wanted it to, but he was ecstatic to meet us.

509
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Speaker 1: We were standing there. I was talking to him on

510
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Speaker 1: the field afterwards, and he said, I want to thank

511
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Speaker 1: you for spending so much time talking about the Iowa

512
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Speaker 1: Iowa State game because I'm a kid who grew up

513
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Speaker 1: in Iowa. This is him talking to me. He said,

514
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Speaker 1: I grew up in Iowa, and man, I know a

515
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Speaker 1: lot of people talk about Ohio State, Michigan the game.

516
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Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people talk about the

517
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Speaker 1: Iron Bowl Alabama Auburn. He said, I just want to

518
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Speaker 1: win Farmageddon. Those were his exact words to me. So

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00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't care about the Iron Bowl. I don't care

520
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: about the game. I just want to win Farmageddon. And

521
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: that stuck with me because the name Farmageddon I think

522
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: it should be. I think it should be a movie

523
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Speaker 1: that Michael Bay made twenty years ago. That's what I

524
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Speaker 1: think far Mageddon should be. Next up is the third

525
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Speaker 1: Saturday in October, and that's Alabama versus Tennessee. I've spoken

526
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Speaker 1: my piece on this many times, but like I just said,

527
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Speaker 1: five minutes ago, we got a sizeable new audience. A

528
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Speaker 1: lot of you are college age, and I know that

529
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Speaker 1: you are unaware that this was at one point one

530
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Speaker 1: of the biggest rivalries in the country. It was the

531
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Speaker 1: biggest rivalry in the SEC. In fact, children, how shocked

532
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: would you be if I told you there is a

533
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Speaker 1: portion of the Alabama fan base fifty or sixty seventy

534
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: years old that still consider Tennessee their biggest rival, not Auburn.

535
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: I know, nationally you hear about the Iron Bowl, but

536
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: that's only because that game has been competitive. BAMA has

537
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: rolled Tennessee something like fifteen years in a row, and

538
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: so no one who's twenty two years old is even

539
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: aware that this is a rivalry. Third Saturday in October

540
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal name for a rivalry. And this was

541
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Speaker 1: the SEC's premiere rivalry for a long time. When you

542
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Speaker 1: talk about the days of General Neelan and you talk

543
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: about Bear Bryant, Bryant played at Bama and even then

544
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: had it ingrained in him that I want the absolute

545
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: worst of the worst things in the world to happen

546
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: to the folks in Knoxville. He did not prioritize the

547
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Auburn game nearly as much as he prioritized the Tennessee game.

548
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: I say all that to say, when you hear me

549
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: speak fondly of Tennessee on the show, when you hear

550
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: me sort of kin kind of subtly root for him

551
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: and try and juke in the ribs to try and

552
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: kickstart the program. It's selfish. It's just because I want

553
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: the rivalry back third Saturday in October. It's a great

554
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: name and Red River Shootout it's a great name. Oklahoma Texas.

555
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: We got to experience it this past year for the

556
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Speaker 1: first time. And I have experienced many things in college football,

557
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: as I'm sure a lot of you have, that have

558
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: been hyped up. One of the biggest fears in the

559
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: modern hype age in general is you're going to experience

560
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: something that received a lot of hype and it's not

561
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: going to live up to it. You've been there, I've

562
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: been there, We've all been there. Well, if you were

563
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Speaker 1: at this game, it lived up to it, and dare

564
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I say, exceeded it. I came home, you know, like

565
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Speaker 1: I said, I grew up in Georgia. So I came home,

566
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Speaker 1: and the first thing a lot of my buddies wanted

567
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: to do is they wanted to text me and They

568
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: wanted to know how did that compare to Jacksonville, because

569
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: that's where Georgia and Florida play every year. That is

570
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: the SEC's neutral site game. That's the rough equivalent of

571
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Speaker 1: what the Big Twelve has with ou Texas. And they

572
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: got all pissy with me because I told him it's

573
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: better than Georgia Florida. I don't know what else to

574
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: tell you, guys, It's better than Georgia Florida. I'm not

575
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: knocking Georgia Florida. On a scale of one to ten,

576
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: it's a solid nine. But what I experienced in Dallas

577
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: was pretty close to perfect. It helped that it was

578
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: a very very close, back and forth game. Yeah, that helped.

579
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Speaker 1: But if you took me off the field during live

580
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: action and you just had me experience the ambiance, that

581
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: was enough. So then you add in a classic an

582
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Speaker 1: all timer twenty eight to three or something like that

583
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: was the score at one point for Texas and they

584
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: still lose the game. So that that was awesome. But

585
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: other college football rivalry games, I'm looking on the screen.

586
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: If you watch some of these individual videos on YouTube,

587
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: you can see this. We got pitt in West Virginia,

588
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: who are renewing the Backyard Brawl this year. The War

589
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: on I four is one I forgot about. That's Central

590
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Florida and South Florida. That is a really, really good name.

591
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: See the sanitization of this sport discussed me Florida, Georgia.

592
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: They were about five million years was called the world's

593
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: largest outdoor cocktail party, and then one person somewhere decided

594
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: that it shouldn't be called that anymore, and they tried

595
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: to scrub it from history. But yet everybody still calls

596
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: it that. It's kind of like the Red River Shootout.

597
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: Everyone still calls it that. So whatever, one hundred miles

598
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: of hate between MTSU and Western Kentucky very good. I

599
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: think Rocky Mountain Showdown could be better between Colorado and

600
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Colorado State. I think the name could be better. And

601
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: we got some very creative minds out there in the

602
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain State, so I think we can do better

603
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: than that. In fact, I'm going to give out a

604
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: challenge today. That's my challenge. Here's a little side challenge.

605
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: Pate State needs a rival, and so hoops is it

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Speaker 1: going to be? That's the question. We move on. Let's

607
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Speaker 1: talk about pressure. We can't get through a podcast without pressure. Question.

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00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher has an average recruiting ranking of four point

609
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Speaker 1: five per class. Yes he does. We talked about that

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Speaker 1: the other the question continues. Yet he has won no

611
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Speaker 1: titles and finished eight and four last year. He's talking

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00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: about at Texas A and M. Is the pressure more

613
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Speaker 1: than Kirby Smart was under at Georgia. It's comparable. The

614
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: difference between Kirby and Jimbo is Jimbo Fisher has already

615
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: won a title. A and M fans don't care about

616
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Speaker 1: that because it didn't happen on their watch, on their dime.

617
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Speaker 1: So maybe in that sense, it has been like a

618
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Speaker 1: scrub of the etch a sketch, and once you're in

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Speaker 1: college station, you start your body of workover. Kirby was

620
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Speaker 1: under a lot of pressure, a whole lot of pressure

621
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Speaker 1: because you know, leading up to this past year and

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Speaker 1: they won the title. So it's all a moot point.

623
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Speaker 1: But leading up to this past year, I thought that

624
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: when they started to roll I remember this vividly. It

625
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: was early November. I did a segment about it, Georgia's

626
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: roll in and Bama's lost to Texas A and M.

627
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: And Bama's looked vulnerable several points during the season. And remember,

628
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Speaker 1: Georgia was the number one team and they had already

629
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Speaker 1: secured their SEC Championship game birth and we knew it

630
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: was going to be Bama versus Georgia. And that has

631
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: been the absolute nexus in the Georgia universe. Nick Saban

632
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: and Alabama. If not for them, folks rightfully believe Kirby

633
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: already would have had a title. Then again, without Saban,

634
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: do you have Kirby. So that's a little side point,

635
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: but you have got a tailor made situation. And all

636
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: of November was leading up to that game in Atlanta,

637
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: and so you've got the best Georgia team you've had

638
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: under Kirby. Smart Bama almost lost to Florida, they did

639
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: lose to A and M. They barely got by Auburn somehow,

640
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: some way. And so you're gonna get a reeling Alabama

641
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: team in Atlanta, no run game, and it's right there

642
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: in your backyard. You gotta get it done. And they

643
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: didn't get it done in Atlanta. They lost to Alabama

644
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: and the SEC Championship game. I don't think there's ever

645
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: been more pressure on a coach than there was for

646
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: that month, that three week period, I guess leading up

647
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: to Kirby Smart and Georgia going into the playoff against

648
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Michigan and they just they splattered Michigan all over Miami.

649
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: But then they get a rematch opportunity with Alabama and

650
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: they got the job done. But that month build up,

651
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, if that game in Indianapolis would have turned

652
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: out different, it would have been uncomfortable. They would have

653
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: had a great season, their only two losses would have

654
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: been to the national champion. Obviously, it would have been

655
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable. So anyway, that's all said and done. Now

656
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: that's in the past. He won it. I think once

657
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: that happened, a lot of the pressure in the SEC

658
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: shifted over to Jimbo Fisher. I think we did a

659
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: segment on this too. I said a lot of the

660
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: things they were saying and they were gonna say about Kirby,

661
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: they're just gonna say about Jimbo. Now, he's a guy

662
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: that's got all the resources he's asked for. He's recruited

663
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: year over year over year. Now at a high level,

664
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: he's got everything in front of him. He's got to

665
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: get it done. And if he doesn't get it done,

666
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: there's no more room for excuse making. There's nothing that

667
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: that guy can ask that we haven't given him if

668
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: we are Texas A and M and so, you know,

669
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: he's been there since eighteen and this is his fifth year.

670
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: They've got a four year rolling recruiting average of I

671
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: think it's like four point seven. But the point is

672
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: it's inside the top five. Their lowest rated recruiting class

673
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: has been number eight in the country over the last

674
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: four years. They got two quarterbacks that they believe are

675
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: good enough to win with. You know what they just signed.

676
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: They've got I think a favorable enough schedule because although

677
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: they go to Alabama, Arkansas's neutral site, Ole Miss and

678
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: Florida are both at home. LSU's at home. So I

679
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: think the toughest part of their schedule this year, being

680
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: A and M, is the fact that they play Arkansas

681
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: in Dallas, which is a road game. You have to travel,

682
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And then you've got to travel

683
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: to Startville the next week, and then you got to

684
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: travel to Tuscal loose of the week after that. Then

685
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: you get a bye. I don't believe that's smart. I

686
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: don't believe the conference should allow teams to go on

687
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: the road three weeks in a row. But having said

688
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: all that, I say, yeah, there's a lot of pressure

689
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: on Jimbo Fisher. But there are different kinds of pressure.

690
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: This is not a job security pressure. This is competitive pressure.

691
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of like privileged pressure. It's the kind of

692
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: pressure you get into this game to experience, because if

693
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: you're not feeling that kind of pressure, it either means

694
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: people don't expect enough out of you or you're not

695
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: at a place where you even have the kind of

696
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: resources to get into that conversation. Well, Jimbo checks both

697
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: of those boxes, so he's in a good place. A

698
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: lot of folks will trade places with him. Right now,

699
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: let's we got time for one more. Yeah, we got

700
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: time for one more. This one's kind of loaded. Everyone's

701
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: got an opinion on blue bloods out there. How do

702
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: you define one? We were talking about this earlier. I'll

703
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: ask the question here and then you can answer along

704
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: with me. The question from Smyrna is are blue blood

705
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: program's actually good for the sport? It seems like the

706
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: people that advocate for these programs are elitist. Well, I

707
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: feel attacked and they do not like when a new

708
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: team is on the rise aka Clemson before they won

709
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: it all, he checking in or he's checking it from

710
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: San Antonio, Texas. Am I an elitist? I don't dress

711
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: like one. But maybe that's just the disguise because I

712
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: root for these teams. Maybe it's because they do better

713
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: traffic for us. I don't want to sound so self

714
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: centered as to think that that's the only motivation we

715
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: have around here. I'll tell you that's a joke, because

716
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: here's where we're seriously. Am. I'll tell you why I

717
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: like blue blood programs because they exhibit the characteristics I

718
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: believe in in college football. This is not a parody

719
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: driven sport. This will always be a top heavy sport. However,

720
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: I think a seat at the head table is available

721
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: to many, many more of you out there than you've

722
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: been led to believe. You've been led to believe that

723
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: head table, that Tier one table in college football is

724
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: accessible for about three or four big brands out there,

725
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: and then the door's closed and it's locked and they

726
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: threw away the key and you're never allowed to access it.

727
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: But I've always believed that's bs because if this sport

728
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: ever really wanted to tilt itself in favor of someone.

729
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: They wouldn't choose teams in random, small market locations like Clemson,

730
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: South Carolina, or Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Why would they do that?

731
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: That makes no sense. What happened is pay attention to

732
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: this next part. A long long time ago. It sounds

733
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: like a Dom McClain song. A long long time ago,

734
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: people in Tuscaloosa, or people in Columbus or South Bend,

735
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: those people decided, we're going to take the sport really seriously,

736
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: and we're going to invest year over year, which became

737
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: decade over decade in the infrastructure. We're going to build buildings,

738
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: we're going to raise money for at that point unlimited scholarships,

739
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: but we're going to have very very nice facilities. Everything

740
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: here is going to be done first class. We're going

741
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: to pay to promote our brand. We're going to really

742
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: believe in the marketing aspect, and ultimately we are going

743
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: to be a driver. We're not going to be a passenger.

744
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna be a driver in this whole operation. And

745
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: they became blue bloods. And then people who were twenty

746
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: years old watching them on TV became forty years old

747
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: and they were sports writers, and then they set narratives

748
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: that once they were seventy years old, the coming generations

749
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: would adopt, and wila, you got a blue blood. But

750
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: my question is who did it in a cheap way?

751
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: Who accessed a seat at that table in an underhanded,

752
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: sort of illegitimate way. I don't see anyone. You don't

753
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: have to like these teams. I'm not asking you to

754
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: do that. Quite the opposite. You can hate them all

755
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: you want to. I'm saying, look at what it takes

756
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: to attain that status. But then I'm gonna ask you

757
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: the follow up. If you think you're closed off to that,

758
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: why was lsu able to do what they did in

759
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, which was come out of nowhere and win

760
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: a national championship. Why was Clemson able to do what

761
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: they did in the twenty teens. They were able to

762
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: do it because it's possible for a lot of folks

763
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: to do not anyone, because there is a certain baseline

764
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: of resource you have to have access to. There's a

765
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: baseline of investment you have to have. But if you

766
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: have those things, you can do everything they've done at Alabama.

767
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: In College Station Texas, you can do everything they've done

768
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: at Alabama in Gainesville, Florida, or in Knoxville, Tennessee, or Clemson,

769
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Well, Clemson actually started doing it. They had

770
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: not done anything along those lines, and then all of

771
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: a sudden they started doing all those things. What happened, Well,

772
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: they had a culture that they year over year believed in,

773
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: they invested in. They had the most out of the

774
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: box idea, which was to make Dabbos Swinny a head coach.

775
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: No one believed in him. Half the folks up there

776
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: didn't believe in him, but the right people did. They

777
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: elevated him. They left him alone. He was not an

778
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: overnight success. But they kept building, kept building, kept building.

779
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: They thought they were there a couple of times and

780
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: got knocked down. But then they finally get a kid

781
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: out of Gainesville, Georgia by the name of Deshaun Watson.

782
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: He's in the news for other reasons now, but back

783
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: then he was as a dynamite college football player. And

784
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson takes them to a national championship game surrounded

785
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: by really good talent because they had been recruiting year

786
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: over year and they miss out one year. Then they

787
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: beat Bama the next year and then it's off to

788
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: the races and Clemson has a seat at the head table.

789
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: Now I wouldn't consider them a blue blood at that point,

790
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: nor would I write now just because I think it takes.

791
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: It takes years and years and years. It takes a

792
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: year over year, decade over decade production to achieve that status.

793
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: But my point is Clemson showed you you can get

794
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: access to that group. You can access that tier. They

795
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: are extra seats there. You may have to go off

796
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: in the corner and pick one up and bring it

797
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: to the table, but you can make your own seat

798
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: at that table. Here's what I am against, when you

799
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: think someone's pushing back on it. I'm all for having

800
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: as many blue bloods as possible in the sport. What

801
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm against is trying to revert engineer the process, trying

802
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: to say, okay, let's expand a playoff so we can

803
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: get more blue bloods, or you know, even with the

804
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: four team format, let's sit here and argue that you

805
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: are what your record says you are, so as long

806
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: as you're undefeated, you deserve a spot in. And this

807
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: is used at the G five level a lot of

808
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: times to try and argue that this undefeated team here

809
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: belongs in over this one lost team over there. And

810
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: then the retort is, well, how are we ever going

811
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: to get fresh blood if we don't give them a shot?

812
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: You earn it, you earn it, And then comes the

813
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: logical follow up of, well, they went undefeated, how much

814
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: more can they do to earn it? Well, my answer

815
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: sometimes is there's nothing they can do because at the

816
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: G five level you're not playing the same level of

817
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: ball as they're playing at some of the Power five level.

818
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: So I've always believed in a separate playoff, but that's

819
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: an entirely different rabbit hole we can go down. My

820
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: point is, I have argued against Central Florida in the

821
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: past making the playoff, but I'm a huge fan of

822
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: what Central Florida is doing. Do you notice what they're doing.

823
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: They're doing what it takes to get to the head table.

824
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: They invest year over year, they positioned themselves and shrewdly

825
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: marketed themselves enough to where now where are they headed?

826
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: They're headed to the Big twelve next year. So they

827
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: achieved Power five status, and now until eternity, if Central

828
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Florida does run the table, guess what they're going to

829
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: be a prime position to be a playoff team, which

830
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: cashes playoff checks, which goes back into the program. If

831
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: you understand how to manage your money, and then all

832
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Central Florida is a big player. Central

833
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: Florida Football right now is a better job and a

834
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: better destination than many Power five programs. But to get

835
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: to that head table, to achieve what we call blue

836
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: blood status, it doesn't happen overnight. You don't pop a

837
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: team in a microwave and get a blue blood out

838
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: two minutes later. This is not popcorn. That's not the

839
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: way that works. But it is attainable, and it's attainable

840
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: for many more programs out there than you've been led

841
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: to believe. What you have is you have some underachieving

842
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: programs out there who horribly mismanaged the hiring process, and

843
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: they can't spell economics, much less have sound financial principle,

844
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: and instead of taking responsibility, they sell you on the

845
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: idea that, well, the sport's just tilted against us. No,

846
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: it's not. Your own administration is tilted against you. But

847
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier, as we often say, to look

848
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: out the window in the front yard and blame them

849
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: blame the folks out there than it is to blame

850
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: the dude in the mirror who screwed up the budget

851
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: and mismanaged the last three head coaching hires. Yeah, it's

852
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: a lot easier to do that, So blame the man.

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Speaker 1: Show is going to stay free, inflation proof show. Probably

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Speaker 1: producer Jesse, I'm Josh Bate, have yourselves a great rest

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