WEBVTT - JAMES BAY: "Leap" 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.640 So, how's your summer going. I have to laugh at 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.560 how as adults we are so preoccupied with the temperature 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:17.520 outside in comparison to how completely uninterested my children are. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.680 All they care to know is whether or not the 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.959 sun is shining, can they get wet today? And is 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.880 it too early for the first popsicle? Remember those summer days? 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:33.360 I hope you allow yourself to revisit that time, even 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.360 if it's just for a few stolen hours after a 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.839 long day at work, or if you're lucky, maybe you 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:46.199 can escape back into your childlike attitude towards summer for 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:51.240 an entire glorious day or weekend, go on a camping trip, 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:55.240 and suddenly you will be back in your childhood. Allow 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.400 yourself to remember how wonderful it was to lay in 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.600 wait for a grasshopper to come your way as he 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.880 chewed on the end of a piece of tall grass, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.520 or how you would squeal in delight when the cold 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.880 water from the sprinkler hit your bare back the first time. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.039 Play some music that reminds you of your fourth grade crush, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.760 and revel in summertime once again. Today's guest on love 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.160 to someone may provide our children with memories of their 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.319 favorite summer. He's a three time Grammy nominated and britt 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:34.440 Award winning multi platinum singer, songwriter, producer, and guitarist who 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.000 hails from the UK and that you have heard played 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.400 on my show quite a bit with hits like let 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.120 It Go and Hold Back the River. His music is 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:49.560 soulful and stirring and speaks to that in all of 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:54.680 us that yearns for and believes in the power of love. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.720 I invited him to join me today because he's got 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.960 some brand new babies to brag about. The first is 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:07.080 his new daughter, Ada, who made her entrance last fall. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.840 That's a hard act to follow up, but apparently it 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:15.760 inspired some new music. His third full length album, Leap, 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.320 was released on July eighth, and he's getting ready to 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:23.440 hit the road on his much anticipated North American headline 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:28.000 tour in August. I'm so looking forward to this conversation 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.040 with the delightful James Bay, But first I want to 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.960 do a little bragging myself on one of my podcast sponsors. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.520 I absolutely love everything that comes out of a box 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.920 labeled Balsom Hill. They're huge sail this month will let 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.919 you save big and bring home the magic of Christmas 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.560 all July. 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I think personally, I think 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:46.720 because your sound is so unique, well, hype is pretty stressful, yeah, right, so, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.480 and you know, I've had my I feel as though 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.839 I've had some experiences with it this far, and it's 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.480 pretty it's pretty stressful, so I try to keep a 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.840 little distance from it if I can. And it's kind 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.200 of cool because everything I've read about you, or seen 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.000 about you, or followed about you, you're pretty down to 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.120 earth and laid back and I love that. Thank you. No, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.960 I appreciate what you're saying, and I understand and like, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.680 there are so many different ways to approach talking about 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.760 this and to think about it and to approach it 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:24.080 just myself as an artist, and I you know that 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.760 those ways change. They kind of change as I grow 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.960 and over time, you know, I'm I'm looking at it 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.279 right now, I'm coming into I'm obviously I'm on album three. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:40.599 And it's been nearly ten years of sort of operating 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:45.799 as I guess a professional artists, recording and touring because 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.840 I signed a record deal about ten years ago, and 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.560 I've been touring a little bit before that, and then 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.719 I got really busy with that and recording once I signed, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.800 and then twenty my first album came out. So it's 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.560 not quite been ten years of sort of putting albums 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.520 out yet, but still I've been through different versions of 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.120 like how to approach it, and of course on the 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.279 first album that you are when you're brand new, and 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.520 there's this thing they refer to as the shock of 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.760 the new, which is always a very enticing and sort 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.920 of delicious prospect for any music fans around the world. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.719 Myself included when I'm experiencing other artists, you know, debuting 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.440 UM it, a lot of hype comes with it, and 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.800 there's and and and there is the machine. You know, 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.440 there is the music industry machine that that really kind 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.479 of rears its head. And it's all a lot to 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.720 take on, UM and a lot to deal with. And 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.279 in my experience now, since then and since releasing you know, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.320 other music and other albums UM, I've had too. You 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.200 have to kind of grow a thicker skin UM. But 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.159 you have to learn which parts of it too. I've 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.680 decided that there's parts of it that have been worth 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.760 sort of embracing UM and kind of owning, and there 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.320 are parts of it that I've had to learn to 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.880 distance myself from because they can be I think it's 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.000 actually kind of fair to say that there are there 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.520 are versions of sort of hype and excitement that can 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.039 get a little toxic and a little intense. Uh So, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:20.159 I'm so I'm trying to really UM see these sides 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.960 of my life and work, and the line between those 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:27.880 things blurs enormously. UM from from a from a hopefully 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:33.000 a slightly more kind of wise perspective, but that's always 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.760 relative to the amount of time you've been doing something, 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.880 and I guess maybe I haven't been doing this that 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.360 long in the grand scheme of things, and you know, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.000 next to how long I want to be able to 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.200 do this for. Yeah, and if you configure that balance 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.880 out now, you'll get to do it a lot longer 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.760 because you'll live a lot longer, I hope. So you 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.960 know what, let's just like, let's just touch on the 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.520 kind of the pressures. There are so many different evolving pressures, um, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.240 and the music business is a good number of decades 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.600 old at this point. If we if we look at, 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.840 you know, the pop music business really kicking into gear 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.760 some time around maybe the fifties, then it's then then 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.239 it's it's it's it's not old now because it's clearly 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.760 going to kind of last a lot longer. But things 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:26.680 have sort of changed and evolved over that time. And yeah, 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.040 i'd really like, I know, even at what I think 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.160 is the beginning of my career, still I know i'd 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.320 love to do it for a long time yet, So 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.240 I'm gonna I've got to I've got to be I've 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.120 gotta stay savvy in any way that I can stay 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:43.520 savvy and stay grounded and uh, and you have a 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.720 little one. I understand that kind of helps with that 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.760 grounding process. Now. I mean, so my daughter Aida, she 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:56.840 is nearly nine months old and um pulling herself up 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.640 on the edge of the coffee table yet correct and 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.640 the be table it is far too sharp. So that 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.800 needs to go. M. Duct tape, duct tape, and um. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.840 Pool noodles. Yeah that I feel like pool noodles. Nice 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.200 pool noodles are the answer for toddlers for everything. You 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.760 can put them on the edges. You just slice them open. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.800 You know, go to a dollar store and get a 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.800 pool noodle, slice it open, put it on the edge 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.600 of everything. Oh, I love that. That's a great Yeah, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.160 that's a great one. So that's going to be happening 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:31.119 as off tomorrow. But she so yes, what a way 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.000 to bring everything back down to earth for me as 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.800 an artist and you know, as a human being and 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.319 now as a father, but like just the artist part. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.160 And you know, I've already mentioned about how that there's 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.360 a line between my work life and my and my 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.559 sort of personal life. Um, and there's a very blurry 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.040 line as as a as a songwriter, M. The things 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.280 sort of come very close to each other all the time, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.280 but having a baby really does bring everything back down 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:00.920 to earth, and abuse took full wave, but in a 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.400 very sort of stark and real way as well, because 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.400 she doesn't understand even now, she doesn't have a clue 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.079 what I do or what what what it's about. When 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:08.960 I get like at some point in the in the 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.200 in the early hours of the morning, or some crazy 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.199 time at the random time in the afternoon or late 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.120 at night. She wouldn't know about the late at night one. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.080 But suddenly I might be all dressed up and walking 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.319 out the door to do something, to make a video, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.400 do a show, and like that's gonna you know, her 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.960 her like approach to understanding that is going to change 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.960 and change and change. And I have to stay with 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:35.280 my feet planted strongly on the ground. Um as I 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.280 as I kind of help her kind of understand what 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.360 I'm doing, and so as not to like I've been 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.400 trying to do all this time, so as not to 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.120 just exist in my head in the clouds. Right, you 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:49.559 don't impress me as somebody who would ever exist with 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.360 your head in the clouds. I could be very wrong. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.440 Like I say, all I see is what I read 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.840 and what Manny has shared with us, your record guy 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.480 who has been a dear friend of ours for the years. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.520 But you seem, um, I'm not saying you're not affected 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:10.559 by all the popularity, press and and sweet things people 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.080 write about you. You know, we've changed the spelling of 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.280 your last name from bay like bay watch like go 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.160 out on the Ocean to bay as in babe because 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.280 you're you're adorable. And I saw one article about why 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:30.760 you are every man's man crush right now. Yeah, yeah, well, look, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.040 you know, I don't know that there is a very 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.760 tiny percentage of a bunch of that stuff that is, 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:43.000 if I'm being really real, is probably worth accepting as 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.600 I moved through this life and try and carry on 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.040 in the capacity that I have been doing for the 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:55.800 rest of it, I need to just leave it. Because 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.160 you've been in a long term relationship with somebody. I 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.600 heard you say that you don't need women flirting with you, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.079 hitting on you, You don't need any one liners because 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.800 you are with the person that you want to be with, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.600 And I thought, I love you for that. Oh, thank 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.640 you so much. I feel as though I am I 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.880 really do. Me and Lucy, we've been together since we were. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.560 We grew up in the same town. Where is that 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.600 a small place right in the really I know England, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.000 the UK is a very sort of strange shaped country. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.160 But if there's a center point right in the middle, 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.720 that's where we're from. Um it's called Hitching. There's about 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.839 thirty thirty thousand, sorry, thirty thousand people there, so it's 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.440 not a big place. Um, it's pretty suburb sort of 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:42.120 suburban and suburban, suburban, what's the word whatever, Yeah, one 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.800 of those words. It's pretty suburban. It's it's it's about 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.120 an hour outside of London, which is kind of good 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.240 when you're a kid. Sort of eventually it's not too 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.439 far to get to that big exciting city. But like 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.080 beyond that, it's, um, it's pretty run of the mill. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.680 It's not it's not incredibly exciting. Um, it's very easy 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.559 to kind of grow up there. It was a pretty 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.400 safe place. Everything's very local, so it was that was cool. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.560 But then they get to the point when when anybody's 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.480 anything between sixteen and sort of nineteen years old, like myself, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:14.840 you gotta go, I gotta get out, I gonna move. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.280 I went when I was eighteen, Um, I moved away 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:23.079 to sort of kind of discover myself eventually as as 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.280 a as a solo artist that I wanted to be um. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.040 But yeah, no, that's where me and me and Lucy 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.440 met there. We grew up there, and now we're living 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.880 in big, scary London and traveling the world now and again, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.800 which is crazy. So I read in one of the 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.120 articles that you found a guitar in the house that 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.440 you were living in. Yeah, somebody just left a nice 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.960 guitar lying around and you discovered in the basement. Kind 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.720 of it's it's pretty much that. So my my my 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.160 uncle owned a guitar for probably ten years, never learned 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.200 to play it, and sold it to my dad. My 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.760 dad owned that guitar for probably fifteen has never learned 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.560 to play it, and put it in a cupboard in 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.080 the spare bedroom in our house. And when I was 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.480 eleven or maybe even younger actually, but I found it. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.200 I knew it was there, so probably I was like 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.400 seven or eight, two years past, and I always thought 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.880 about it being there, and I didn't think sort of 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.599 too much more than that about it because I was 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:23.960 interested in other stuff. And then I heard fantastic guitar 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.520 riff a brilliant record called Layla by Derek and the 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:32.280 Domino's Eric Captain's Band in the early seventies. It blew 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.200 me away and I knew. I sort of felt this 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.760 like lightning bolt shock of emotion rushed through me, and 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.000 I sort of said to my dad, I have to 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:40.640 don't help, I have to learn how to do this. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.199 I have to know. And it's that's how sort of 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.000 sensational intense I guess kids are supposed to be. And 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:47.760 I remember it sort of vividly. It's like, no, I 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.160 gotta do it right now. I'm gonna learn. And I 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.760 know there's a guitar in this house, and I didn't 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.920 put together in my mind that he was playing that 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.679 riff on a fired up, plugged in electric stratocast that 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.480 like Fender electric guitar um, and that all we had 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.160 in the covered upstairs was like a nylon string, a 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.480 classical like acoustic guitar that you play like Flamenco music on. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.760 So I rushed to it and I just, you know, 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.080 cut to the next cup year or so. I was 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.559 just giving it my best shot. Eventually, one thing led 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:16.880 to another, and I got a little bit better, a 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.559 little bit better and then I got an electric guitar, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.160 and then I was off and away by the time 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.320 I was twelve years old, Wow, I was. I was 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.200 not much older when I started playing with a shape 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.400 recorder and pretending I was on the radio. Really, so 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.800 you should have been, you know, it was a different 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.720 time even for me. Went back at that age, like 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.840 we did have a computer in the house, but like 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.320 it was a couple of years until like the Internet 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.360 was so like accessible and YouTube existed, and when that 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.160 stuff came along, I was I had up until that point, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.320 I've been listening to records UM and just picking out 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.320 the notes and like learning to play by ear, which 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.640 was a pretty invaluable sort of skill to to to 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.000 build up. And then by the time YouTube came along, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.040 I'd already bought like a billion DVDs of my favorite artists, 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.040 and then I was watching on YouTube and rewinding and 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.160 slowing it down all my stuff and trying to learn 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.280 from sort of watching people in every way that I could. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.120 Because I didn't have the patients for lessons, I tried 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.920 lessons for a little while. I didn't have the patients 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.880 for being so I was moving a little faster than 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.760 that UM and then eventually a lot faster than that. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.680 So any all the like kind of I didn't have 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.760 like a cell phone or anything either. I'm not quite 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.000 the generation that that with like twelve year old had cellphones. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.560 I didn't have one of those until later. So all 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.520 of that, like idle time. They say it's so important 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.720 for creativity to just have hours where you don't actually 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.720 have anything to do. Well, you've got like free time, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.280 and I really used that and to sort of mess 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.920 around with the guitar endlessly. Can I give you some 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:50.800 some motherly advice, Please do not give your daughter access 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:56.360 to devices to distract her when she's little. That that 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.000 that so me and Lucy both are really keen to 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.920 do exactly what you're suggesting that. I know it sounds 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.680 old fashioned, and I know I'm the mean mom. And 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.400 I made the mistake with some children that I raised 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.480 that are older now of allowing them to have devices, 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.520 you know, when they were twelve, thirteen, fourteen. I will 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.840 never do that again. Never. Well, I get it. I 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.160 get it as much as I can. You know, I 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.840 would just love for for for Ada not to be 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.040 you know, obsessed with technology too quickly. It would be 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.200 great for that to sort of be a gentle and 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.520 gradual thing over time. So we're going to try. You know, 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.000 we're like a one TV household, but there's not a 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.280 TV in every room, for example. UM, So we're trying 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.800 to be We're trying to be real gradual with that 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.560 because just what you said about the idle time, playtime, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.480 and and kids entertaining themselves and learning how to how 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:56.000 to think on their own instead of constantly being entertained 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.840 with media, it's so precious, it's so vital, and mom, 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.120 you know me, as an adult, I'm already unhealthily kind 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.800 of addicted and I hate to confess it, you know, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.560 to to to using devices, even though I'll tell it 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.760 myself and anybody else. But it's all for work and this, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.200 that and the other. It's not. It's it's too easy 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.920 to sort of waste an hour or four staring into 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.480 a screen, UM, when you know that idle time is 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:30.879 important to just just exercise the imagination. So your new album, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.680 UM Leap is number Is this number four, number four, three, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.879 number three? There has been a bunch of EPs in between, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.719 but yeah, this is number three, number three. UM just 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:46.000 released a couple of weeks ago. July eight, and it's 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.640 it's true to your um. I don't want to say 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:55.159 a collectic artistic. When I listen to your music, it 0:17:55.320 --> 0:18:00.240 feels real. It feels real. It doesn't feel like, oh, okay, 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.320 this is a great hook and I'm gonna, you know, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.200 play four chords so that people will get stuck in 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.119 their head like an earworm, and it's it feels like 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.720 you're really sharing a story, an experience, or an emotion. 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.679 And I love that. Thank you so much that you know, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.400 I don't mind like a colectic and all of that. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.399 Like you know, I don't. I can't. I tried to 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.560 fit myself into one box and I just can't do it. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.040 You can't. Everything I read about you, people are trying 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.960 to compare you to other people, and I'm like, no, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.159 well that's okay. You know, I'm with you. I'm on 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.240 your side of that that whole kind of opinion and 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.959 argument or whatever. But but people are going to do that, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.800 and ultimately, if they want to talk about my music, 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.880 that's cooled. I guess I'd rather that than they didn't 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.639 want to talk about it at all. So yeah, you know, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.640 I you know, it's funny when I told you I 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.920 I fell in love with an electric guitar riff, and 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.280 I spent the best part of a year learning to 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.919 play on an acoustic guitar, and in that whole moment, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.399 long drawn out moment, and I've developed a passion for 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:08.680 many different sounds, fields styles. I love pop music. When 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.360 I was a little kid, even way before I learned 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.280 to play the guitar. As a small child, I had 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.880 the radio when I was playing records. As a creative child, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:16.600 I was drawing in all those moments, but I was 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.680 listening to pop music, pop songs from the nineties and 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.320 the early two thousand's and even from before that. My 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.960 parents had little cassette collections and stuff we used to play, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.240 like old motown stuff my mom had and all that 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.800 sort of thing. So I'm obsessed with all different lanes 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.000 of music. And I think a lot of my favorite 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.479 artists have had so many different eras. Some of them 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.359 have stuck more strongly to sort of one lane, and 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.320 it's just very gently over the decades they've existed, um 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.800 and and others have changed. You know. David Bowie is 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.600 one who who has drastically sort of shape shifted through time. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.960 And let's Dance, which was such a massive record for 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.920 him in the eighties. It's pretty different to like changes 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.760 from what I think is maybe nine sixty nine Eric 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.399 Clapton was in Cream, what a brilliant band or a 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.840 psychedelic electric guitar experience, and then he had a huge 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.520 hit with a song called Tears in Heaven that really 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:13.560 sounds particularly different, So you know, and that's just that's 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.879 just to name two sort of older artists, but there 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.160 are there are there are way more up to date 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.680 ones as well that that applied just as much. And 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.000 all I can't you know when I'm making so leap, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.439 you know when I'm making a record, and it's the 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.000 case for Leap as much as it has been on 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:35.080 previous albums. I can't stick to one dynamic. There has 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:39.560 to be kind of roaring and raging, racing kind of 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.680 ultimately like rock music, because that's something I'm really into. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:47.000 There will be softer, slower, maybe more soulful songs as well. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.560 Some will feel look more kind of stripped down to 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.679 just a guitar and a voice, and some will have 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.800 a bit more going on um and I really embrace 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.760 all of that. And actually it's funny leap was made. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.879 It really wasn't made in any kind of way that 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.600 I would like to make a record again, because the 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:11.000 pandemic arrived on the world and I started, all right, 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.120 the story is that I've finished this album in March. 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:20.840 Oh my perfect timing, dude, right that the pandemic arrived, 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.520 and we all said, okay, okay, it's okay, it's all right. 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.639 We'll mix the album. We'll have to do it over zoom, 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.080 but it'll be okay. And then in a couple of weeks, 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.240 when this whole thing's blown over, and a couple of 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.680 weeks we'll hit the road, we'll be able to tour, 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.680 we'll be back with the fans. And two years later, 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.000 and it did, and it did exactly. It did not 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.359 happen to two weeks later. Two years later, obviously it 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.000 was a different story. But by the end of when 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.000 we finally sort of fully understood, I finally understood that 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:51.360 it was it wasn't just going to be a couple 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:52.639 of weeks or a couple of months. It was going 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.200 to take some kind of while I started to write again, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.600 because the world wasn't opening up in the kind of 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.840 way that I needed it to to really the album 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.600 I finished back in March. It wasn't going to do that, 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.040 so I started writing again. I wrote through the end 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:09.680 of twenty twenty through Christmas, and I got a bunch 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.800