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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. We had

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Speaker 2: our Unearthed all week this week.

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Speaker 1: We sure did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff that was mostly found in April, May and June.

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Speaker 2: I think there was one thing that was reported on

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Speaker 2: literally the last day of March.

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Speaker 1: That came up.

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Speaker 2: The way that this works is throughout the quarter, I

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Speaker 2: bookmark all of this stuff to come back to later,

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Speaker 2: and when I go back to it, usually I am

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Speaker 2: confident that there will be some specific categories, Like we

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Speaker 2: are probably gonna have some books and letters and some animals.

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Speaker 2: There's definitely gonna be some shipwrecks. I can't imagine there

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Speaker 2: not being enough shipwrecks to have a shipwreck section in Unearthed.

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Speaker 2: But beyond that, the pattern kind of reveals itself as

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Speaker 2: I am working on the episodes. Yeah, so that is

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Speaker 2: why sometimes we have some categories, sometimes not sometimes entirely

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Speaker 2: new categories. We have heard from folks that some people

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Speaker 2: find the format a little tricky to follow if we're

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Speaker 2: jumping around from topic to topic too fast. So like

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Speaker 2: that's that's why there tends to be like a basic

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Speaker 2: category structure to try to make it as listenable as possible.

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Speaker 2: We also know these are a number of folks very

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Speaker 2: favorite episodes, or even the only ones they listen to.

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Speaker 2: I feel kind of guilty for putting science writers on

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Speaker 2: blast in their headlines about ravenui. Some of them, though,

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Speaker 2: Like there were articles that had these headlines that were

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Speaker 2: like total shocker. Turns out there maybe wasn't an ECO

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Speaker 2: side on rapanui. Sometimes the first two or three paragraphs

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Speaker 2: of the article then had that tone before acknowledging that

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Speaker 2: this was adding to an existing body of work, And

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Speaker 2: I was just like, what is why?

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Speaker 1: My only thought is.

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Speaker 2: Like, are they trying to contextualize it to new readers?

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Speaker 2: But even so, there's no reason you have to do

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Speaker 2: it that way. Yeah, I don't remember what the exact

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Speaker 2: headline was of like the university's press release about this research,

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Speaker 2: but like if you took the wording of that headline

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Speaker 2: an extra step farther, like it could be interpreted to

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Speaker 2: mean that this was a brand new discovery, not something

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Speaker 2: that was adding to a body of work, but not

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Speaker 2: to nearly the extent of like a bunch of stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: I know that there have been times that we have

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Speaker 2: talked about things on the show that have a greater

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Speaker 2: historical background that we didn't fully grasp when we talked

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Speaker 2: about it. I sure hope not in the kind of

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Speaker 2: celebratory tone of some of these Rapanui articles. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: really when we get into publications where like this is

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Speaker 2: focus on this kind of research that I'm like, why

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Speaker 2: did you also make it sound that way? The one

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Speaker 2: other thing I had noted to talk about and behind

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Speaker 2: was research about the Black Death including that was focused

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Speaker 2: on body lice. Right.

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Speaker 1: One of the.

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Speaker 2: One of the articles that I read about this had

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Speaker 2: I don't know what color body lice typically are, but

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Speaker 2: And my first thought was, why is there a video

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just, you know, some imaging technology used

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Speaker 2: talk about the Mona Lisa. Yeah, because you know, nobody

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Speaker 2: cared about the Mona Lisa until nineteen eleven. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: Oh no. So it's very funny to me that now

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Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows what the Mona Lisa looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still laugh. Nobody even noticed that thing was

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Speaker 1: Like that's how unconcerned people were about the Bona Lisa. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just love that. Now. It's like people speak of

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, nobody cared for so long. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: This is not really about unearthed, but just you know,

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Speaker 1: Nobody told me that there's an entire room of Mark

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Speaker 1: No, but you know what does what alcohol? Oh yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So did any of your research regarding the cherries on

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Speaker 1: George Washington also like love to drink, Like he drank

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Speaker 2: But really, I don't know what was up with someone

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Speaker 1: S right up there with don't eat bog butter.

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Speaker 2: I'll get to use my cherry pitter, which I find

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Speaker 1: It involves a lot of cherries. Just FYI, okay. The

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Speaker 1: I have an easier thing you could do, which is

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