1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports where in the situation 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, pandemic here 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: has really accelerated the investments that you've been advocating for 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: for years. From a Macrew standpoint, I think our sport 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: industry is really forced to look at the business a 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: little bit differently in depth conversations with the leaders in 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: the sports industry. Who wants to be the sacrificial lambs 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: that shows up at the first big major sporting event, 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: were part of something much bigger than the sport right 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: now and the health and saptry of our stakeholders that 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: looks much important every moment. I think we're all from 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: the business respective thinking about the impact that the virus 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: is having a across the country against Bloomberg Business of 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hi everyone, I'm Jason Kelly, and 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm Mike Lynch and I'm Michael bar Welcome to the 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast and you can hear it 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday and Thursday. And we're talking about the 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: big money issues in the world of sports. And so 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: excited to be joined by a former and be a 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: All Star champion now Strategic investor. He's got a company 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: that he's invested in called Better Up. We're talking about 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: pau Gasolt POW. Really nice to have you with us. 23 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: I think I speak for the team when I say 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: we've watched your career with great fascination and a lot 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: of excitement over the years, and now watching you as 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: a businessman. Uh, it's very cool to connect with you. 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: So thanks for joining us. Thank you so much for 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: having me, and thank you for following my career and 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: now following my my interest outside of basketball and in 30 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: the investment world. Yeah, so tell us about that. I mean, 31 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: you live in the Bay Area, so there's something in 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: the water out there. I guess you can't help but 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: get involved in backing companies and creativity and innovation. But 34 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: give us the sort of overview. How do you approach 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: sort of the Pow Empire as it were? I uh, 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. It's just a matter 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 1: of what kind of venturing out and um and learning, 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, learning what's going on out there? What are 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: what are people doing? I mean, we're live in such 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: a fast changing world and there's so many companies, so 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: many tools, and right now with the with the pandemic 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: that we're going through. There's so much disruption, so we've 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: got to figure out, um, how to go forward effectively, 44 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: how to deal with the effects quickly. So there's so many, 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: so many companies that are are coming up to help 46 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: us do that. And I felt, you know, better up 47 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: a company that was definitely funded funded in two thousand 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: and thirteen, but it's been growing and growing and doing 49 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: such a good job by helping people and providing tools 50 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: um to grow uh personally and professionally. I felt such 51 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: a instant connection, and I wanted to be to be 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: involved and uh and provide not just financial investment, but 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: also personal contribution and and share some of my expertise 54 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: that I've accumulated throughout my career. I like it because 55 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: you are saying you're coaching for your employees is what 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to get to the concept of two different businesses. 57 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: Can you tell us more about that? Yeah? Well, but 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: what really stood out from this company besides uh, you know, 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: uh getting to know them, having talked to their CEO 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: a couple of times and getting to know him, which 61 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I also think it's very important to to know who 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: who leaves the company, who's put it together. Um. It 63 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: was the fact in the concept of making coaching accessible 64 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: for for all people, not just for the executives, uh 65 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: that they usually get get those resources and those options, 66 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: but for for everyone in the company. UM. And I 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: think that that's very important at the time that people 68 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: are struggling emotionally with this pandemic and and our lives 69 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: have been disrupted, and and we we need we need support. 70 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Everyone needs to coach really and and I've had that 71 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: as a basketball player. I had that, and I've taken 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: that kind of for granted for for my whole life. 73 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: But I also had coaches, you know, uh, strength coaches, 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: and I had UM. We then later on into into 75 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: my career there was more sports psychologists, so we had 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people experts around me to to be 77 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: able to support me um throughout my career. UM and 78 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: and going forward, and I still now. I worked with 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: executive coaches in Spain and here in the US as well. 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: And I just want to continue to learn, continue to grow, 81 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: and you need support in order to do that. Hey, Pa, 82 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: it's Mike Glinch up here in Boston. Don't hold that 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: against me, Okay, not at all. I love Wait about 84 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: my window. I can still hear people saying, be l A, 85 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: that's a great motivator. I'm sure it was. I saw 86 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: it firsthand. Um, you're your your expertise or experience with 87 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: mental health playing in the NBA. Did it affect you 88 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: at all? Did you see it when teammates or opponents 89 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: at all during your playing days? Absolutely, it's I mean 90 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: through from throughout my NBA career. You know, you're exposed 91 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: to a lot of pressure. The window is pretty small. 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: You get You're exposed to a lot of attention, scrutiny. 93 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: You've got to perform. There's gonna be ups and downs. 94 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: There's so many games. If you're play long enough, you 95 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: know you're gonna have great years. You're gonna have bad years, 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to weather that and UH and 97 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: have the foundation the tools in order to get through 98 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: those moments successfully. You can be traded pretty much at 99 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: any time. So I learned to through UH mindfulness And 100 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: Phil was a big Phil Jackson was a big figure 101 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: that introduced me to it. UM. How to you know, 102 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: focus on the moment, stay in the moment um and 103 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: control what you can control. UM. And in basketball, there's 104 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: always something that because the game is pretty fast. You 105 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: can make mistakes, but it's kind of a next play mentality. 106 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: You know, no matter what you did to play before, 107 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: mistake or or made a three or made a great play, 108 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: you've got to focus on that next play. That's all 109 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: you've got. So so that's kind of what I'm trying 110 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: to also share within within Better Up and and other 111 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: initiatives to help people UM through their journeys UM and 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: help them grow and and help them stay in the 113 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: moment and and understand what what it means to to 114 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: win and win as a team and and and collective effort, 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: and to take care of their minds and their mental health, 116 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: uh as well as their bodies, you know, So it 117 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: just as important. And that's what I you know, throughout 118 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: my career, I learned all those lessons. I've seen a 119 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: lot of players struggle on myself at some points struggle 120 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: because again it's an intense journey, the intense profession. Um. 121 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: You know, I remember you were saying with with the Celtics, 122 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: we had some battles since thousand eight. We had a 123 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: tough loss against them and it was hard. You know, 124 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: it's hard to to lose and fall short but it's 125 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of how you regroup, how you get back up, 126 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: how you get back in the gym, how you um 127 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: put in the work and give yourself another chance and 128 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: U and that's how we won back to back championships 129 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: after that loss. So there's a lot of lessons in 130 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: sports that can be translated to to anyone, to any 131 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: profession in anyone's life. So Palm, you know, you think 132 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: about those back to back championships and I think about 133 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 1: the last year, and I hope you'll forgive me because 134 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: one of the people that that comes up in all 135 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: of that is Kobe And I know you had a 136 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: very close relationship with him, and and I do wonder 137 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: you know what that was like and what he meant 138 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: to you, you know, as a friend, but also I 139 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: mean he was and I got to spend a little 140 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: bit of time with him talking about this. He was 141 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: so ambitious when it came to off the court and 142 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: helping people. And I do wonder how much you reflect 143 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: on that when you think about your relationship with him 144 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: and how he may have influenced you in that way. Well, 145 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: he influenced me a lot um And I mean as 146 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: a as a player, as a teammate. UM. But as 147 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: a person, and I've said this a few times because 148 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: he was the closest thing that I've had as uh 149 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: to a big brother UM and UM. You know, he 150 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: was so driven, so focused, so locked in UM trying 151 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: to influence others to provide and give their best as 152 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: he was. He was always leading by example and UM 153 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: and he you know, obviously is known for his Mamba mentality, 154 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: right that having that killer instinct P I mean the work, 155 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: working harder than anyone else. And this that's you know, 156 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: that's what he was used to say. There was no secret. 157 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: This is is his math. You put in the word, 158 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: you get the results. UM. And he includes me a 159 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: lot because he had such a big UM desire to 160 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: be the best UM and and he wanted us he 161 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: wanted to win more than anything. And and he was 162 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: so focused. That's what I was saying about being in 163 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: the moment, UH, providing your single best effort every day, 164 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: UM and improving, making making progress every day as you 165 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: get to you work towards the goal. But at the 166 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: same time the moves UH, the concept and focus of 167 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: enjoying the process, enjoying that journey. And he said that 168 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: he mentioned that on his U kind of um going 169 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: away speech, I think on his Jersey retirement ceremony. Um oh, 170 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, let's it's all about the journey 171 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: is not really not about the angle. It's about enjoying 172 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: every single day. That that word, that struggle, that effort 173 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: that you have to put in on a single on 174 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: a single daily basis, it's that's that's a that's uh, 175 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: that's what it's about. An extension to that is something 176 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: that you are always saying, and include some of the 177 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: tips to keep your peak mental condition. Probably the best 178 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: thing that jumped out for me of visualizing your success. 179 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: If you can't see yourself doing it, it is hard 180 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: to actually execute. Please explain it. Yeah, I mean, and 181 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: that's part of the mindfulness. That's part of taking time 182 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: to to think, to reflect, uh, to find those quiet 183 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: moments to to to visualize what you want to do, 184 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: what you want to get to uh. And once you 185 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: visualize it, then you can put in, uh the effort 186 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: into towards that. Um. So if you can't see it, 187 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: if you can't see you winning a championship, you're not 188 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: gonna win it, you know, because the self doubt is 189 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: going to creep in you just you're not visualizing it. 190 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: So you have to first visualize it uh to to 191 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: then translated into action and then work as hard as 192 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: you can in order to accomplish it. And and that's 193 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: so that's also part finding that time too, in those 194 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: gaps during the day UM to visualize things, to see 195 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: where you are UM, be in touch with you, with yourself, 196 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: and see what you want to accomplish. You know, how 197 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: how committed are you? That's one of the questions that 198 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: I like to ask myself that we can ask ourselves 199 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: in every in every moment pretty much of the day. 200 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: How committed am I to this moment, to this task, 201 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: to this mission? What is my goal? Now, let's be 202 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: real specific and real intentional with our actions. What am 203 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: I trying to get out of this UM time is 204 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: our one of our more most worthy UM things that 205 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: we have, so we gotta be intentional with it, valuate, 206 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: don't take it for granted. I think this pandemic has 207 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: reminded us not to take anything for granted in our lives, 208 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: whether it's people that we love, whether it's activities that 209 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: we used to do that now we can't anymore. Now, 210 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: going out to dinner or you know, going hanging out 211 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: with big groups, going to a concert, going to a 212 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: basketball game. Those things are have been stopped and we 213 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: we we don't know when that's going to be able 214 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: to be resumed in a safe way or as we 215 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: knew it. So um, so again, UM, stay in the moment, 216 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: appreciate it, um, reflect on it, and then do your best. 217 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: How did you learn more about yourself when you were 218 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: a professional athlete after a win or after a loss? What? 219 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: What was? What? What do you think reveal more about 220 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: you a win or a loss? Well? Um, I think 221 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: both are important, but you always, we always have a 222 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: tendency to learn more when we struggle, when we fail, 223 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: when we fall short, because you know, it doesn't feel good. 224 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: It shouldn't feel good, right, I mean I had a 225 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: lot of coaches that as like, if you're not upset, 226 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: if you're not angry after these loss, then you have 227 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: an issue. Well we have, and he sus a team, 228 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: it should bother you. So once once it bothers you, 229 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: then then you kind of stop and think, Okay, what 230 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: went wrong? What could have done differently? And um, in 231 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: order to make sure that the next game it's a win, 232 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: one thing and anything. One of the things that we 233 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: talked about a lot. It's one of the things that 234 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: you can control is your effort. So effort over lack 235 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: of can never be or should never be the cause 236 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: of of you losing, you know, propably. It's also used 237 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: to say, now the game it's it's about it's forty 238 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: eight forty eight minutes, and it's about playing harder and 239 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: moder than your opponent for the majority of those forty 240 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,359 Speaker 1: eight minutes and now you have a chance. Um so 241 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: So again, yes, losses are painful, especially for competitive individuals, 242 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: and um and you can learn probably more from him, uh, 243 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: But you can still learn from the winds because at 244 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you don't want contentment um 245 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: and comfort to creep in, because that's when you know 246 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: you're always you can always do better, you can always improve, 247 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: you can always learn even from the winds. So to 248 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: stay locked in, and that's something that Kobe also used 249 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: to do. We used to rewatch games, you know, even 250 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: or even when we won, and what could have done 251 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: better or what? Uh? And that's how he was the 252 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: best or one of the best ever. So power before 253 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: we let you go, before you wrap up all the 254 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: fans out there are wondering what's next for you? Rumors, swirling, businessman, 255 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: basketball player, a little bit of both. What what's next? Well, 256 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm working. I've been working for the last almost two 257 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: years of my my rehab of his terrible injury. I've 258 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: had two surgeries on my left foot from his an 259 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: avigular stress fracture, and uh, my my goal is to 260 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: try to get back on the court, UM, play for 261 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: for for a little longer, potentially play my fifth Olympics 262 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: this summer, and then probably hang it up from there. Uh. 263 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'm as you as we're discussing where 264 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm building. UM. I guess my track record as an investor. UM. 265 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: I am putting time and effort into the work that 266 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: we do is the Gasol Foundation fighting the childhood obcity 267 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: pandemic UM, which you know now with kids being less active, 268 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: not being able to go to school, so I'm not 269 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: having able to have access to healthy meals, emotionally being 270 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: really affected by the lack of connecting with other kids 271 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and going to school. UM. Uh, So our work has 272 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: been much more needed during this time UM. And also 273 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: working towards the future UM positioning myself as a potential 274 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: executive on an NBA team, UM, potentially going into the 275 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: IOC and being part of the Olympic movement, working with 276 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Barcelona as well. So uh UM as an ambassador here 277 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: in the US. Just just really trying to have the 278 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: big as possible impact uh and with different organizations are 279 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: they're doing well and they can reach a lot of people. UH, 280 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: And I can continue to use my my knowledge uh 281 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: and drive to be as most impactful as I can. 282 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: All Right, Well, we really enjoyed catching up with you. 283 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: Hope you'll come back and visit with us. As all 284 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: of those things come to fruition. We're all hoping, certainly 285 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: for a somewhat normal Olympic Games. That would be great 286 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: to see you back out on the court. Pal Gasol, 287 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Thank you so 288 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: much for having me. I look forward to talk to 289 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: you guys, so thank you. Be well, thank you. 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