WEBVTT - Quarterback Dominos 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:15.120 I'm Red Lewis, and this is NFL Inside Report, and 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.680 if you're struggling to keep up with the news, you 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.480 are not alone. Welcome everybody. Great to be here with 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.480 you this week, which has truly been a frenzy of 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.320 breaking news stories, one after the other, and we just 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.960 had one within an hour ago of this recording. And 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.680 we'll get to Carson Wentz in his move now to 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.880 the Washington commanders here in just a minute. But first 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.840 let's welcome in a couple of guys who had front 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:39.720 row seats all this news here over the last couple 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.199 of days, our friends here at NFL Media, James Palmer 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.000 and Jim Trotter. Guys. Great to have you with us 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.320 here on NFL Inside Report. But before we get to everything, 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.920 I just want to do a little uh Seinfeld airing 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.040 of the grievances quickly if we could, because there seemed 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.760 to have been a bit of back and forth between 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.400 both of you guys regarding this Russell Wilson trade that 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.720 went down on Wednesday or Tuesday. Now, let's check in 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:13.200 with what James had to say following Jim's reaction to 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.320 James saying Russell Wilson might be a possibility to Denver, 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.720 and it well not to roast any of our colleagues 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.240 on national television. But Jim Trotter more or less laughed 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.119 in my face about twenty minutes ago when I said 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.920 Russell Wilson was a possibility of landing with the Denver 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.160 broncois and then Tom right there puts it out that 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:33.280 it's happening. Okay, Is everybody okay? Between you two? So 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.240 let me go first here on this one, because James 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.160 should have the last word as he had it, he 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.880 had it right. First of all, I would never laugh 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.800 in James's face. I have too much respect for my colleague. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.600 What I was laughing about, if you will, if you 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.440 want to call it laughing, is the idea that a 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.080 franchise would give away a future Hall of Fame quarterback, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:59.200 which is what Seattle essentially did. So my comment, if 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.200 we go back and us into the whole tape of 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.960 what I said, exactly go to the tape, is that 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.160 it would be an exorbitant price to get Russell Wilson 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.440 out of Seattle, and I just did not believe that 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.680 Denver would be able willing to pay that price. Well, 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.880 they didn't have to pay an exorbitant price. They basically 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.400 paid what the forty Niners paid, if not less, for 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.480 the forty Niners to go up and get an unproven 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.440 quarterback who hadn't even played in a year, and now 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.079 Seattle gives away a guy who is a potential Hall 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.200 of Famer, who had never had a losing season until 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.000 this last season, who just a few years ago when 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.600 we would ask the question of if you're down in 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.120 the final two minutes, trailing by a touchdown or less, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.480 who's the quarterback you want with the ball in your hands, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:47.639 and many of us at that time would have said 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.920 Russell Wilson. So for Denver to get him at the 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.639 price that it did to me, I just could never 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.359 have imagined that. So that's what that was about. I 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.720 would never laugh in any sort of way safe or 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.520 form in the face of Jim Palmer too much respect him. Yeah, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.160 and it's true because I'm looking at Jim's hoodie right 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.359 now and it says Howard mine says Ohio State. So 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.040 I think we know who has a greater intelligence here. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.480 And that's where it kind of stemmed from. Because Jim goes, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.720 I get done talking, and he goes, are we going 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.560 to talk semantics here? Are we gonna talk semantics? You don't. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.560 I didn't know what he meant. I was like, I'm 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.920 not entirely sure what Jim means here because I had 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.160 to look up the definition of semantics in a sense 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.839 we were doing. But Jim, Jim made a great point 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:42.400 in that sense, and he's exactly right because the way 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.280 and we're gonna break this down. Everybody I've talked to 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.560 in Denver over the last twenty four hours, I don't 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.320 want to say that they feel like they've flee stir 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.040 and that's the word that everybody loves to use in 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.200 these trades, right, But I feel pretty good about it. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.960 I would feel pretty good about it because George Payton 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.560 really values picks, uh and he still has six picks 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.880 in this draft in the top one fifty after this trade. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:07.960 You look at what he got from the Vommela, he 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.640 still has it to he still has a three, He 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.880 has two fours and to five you get one of 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.040 the fives. And so then you look at the players, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.680 and everybody I talked to, Drew Lock was not going 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.000 to be their starter this year. Shelby Harris is a 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.279 is a solid player. They do think Noah Fan and 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:25.960 this is them speaking, they think he's gonna be a 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.040 thousand yard receiver in Seattle. But they also had another 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.560 pass catching tight end where they were lacking in a 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.200 block where they were lacking as a blocking So you 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.120 had two pass catching tight ends. What I've heard out 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.120 of Denver is we still have some picks and we 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.479 didn't give up anybody of that young Cora players we 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.440 wanted to keep, which was Courtland's Sutton, Jerry, Judy Pats 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.719 or Tang you know, Javonte Williams. Like the whole group stays, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.760 the whole group stays intact, and you get Russell Wilson 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.719 at the price you get Russell Wilson at right now, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.920 when we just looked at what Green Bay went and paid, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.200 they're gonna be able to go out and get a 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.000 pass rusher and the next couple of days as well. Yeah, 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.960 it's certainly interesting, guys. I mean you're looking at you 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.200 mentioned the three players, lock Fan Harris, two first round picks, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.240 two second round picks, and a fifth round pick, and 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.920 then the Broncos get Russell Wilson and a fourth round 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.400 pick back. So I mean, all in all, I'm still 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.920 kind of shocked that this that this all kind of happened. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.040 It just it just felt like, you know, all the 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.200 words that were coming out of you know, Seattle's organization 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.480 and all that that sort of thing, it seemed to say, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.719 we're moving forward with Russell. It's all gonna happen. Um, Jim, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:35.560 I'm curious, do you do you feel like this was 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.320 a move where we're you know, Pete Carroll and John 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.240 Schneider you know, had to go up to ownership and 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.080 be like, is this cool? Can we do this? Or 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.440 is this something that they could do just kind of 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.599 on their own given the statue of the player. No, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.200 I think anytime you're talking about a franchise quarterback, and 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.880 particularly one of Russell Wilson's statue, you always run there 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.000 by the ownership. Um, even if it's just out of courtesy. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.560 But in this is Russell is so deeply ingrained in 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.359 the Seattle community. In turn so of you know, the 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.160 Tuesday visits at the hospital and whatnot. He had kind 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.920 of ingrained himself there. So obviously you would never want 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.719 to catch ownership off guard in that way. Um. I 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.920 just look, you know again, I can say go back 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.200 to the tape I think we said late in the 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.200 year where we were talking about Russell Wilson and the 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.480 question was being asked after he came back from the 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.599 injury and they had been on that losing streak, was 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.400 this sort of the beginning of the end of Russell 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.680 in Seattle? And I said at that time, if you 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.000 thought the previous season was a bumpy ride, you better 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.320 buckle up, because this offseason is truly gonna be m 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.560 a bumpy ride. Because if he was making the noise 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.320 that he was making after last season when they actually 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.240 had a winning record and went to the playoffs, imagine 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.760 what he was going to do now with his first 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.960 losing season. The people have to understand about Russell the 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.600 two most passive, aggressive players I know in the NFL, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.599 particularly at the quarterback position, or Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. Okay, 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.479 now that's the reality of it. And for Russell to 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.400 say I never asked for a trade, well, you're your 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.560 Your reb doesn't come out and say Russell never asked 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.960 for a trade, But here are the five teams. Yes, 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.600 if you're going to deal, I'm here are the teams 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.960 we would be interested in. Okay, Hey, Jim. Let me 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.720 let me phrase it to you this way real quick, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.920 because as I mentioned, like going to ownership, do you 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.520 then go, all right, we're trading Russell Wilson. But here's 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.840 our plan for how we want to replace him. And 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.000 by the way, is it cool if we bring in 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.200 a quarterback from Houston that's tied up in some legal issues. Well, look, 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.040 ownership ownership had already signed off on them bringing in 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.320 Antonio Brown, you know, a couple of years ago. So 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.240 are we gonna say now that all of a sudden 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.520 they're gonna draw a line on on Deshaun Watson if 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.280 he's available. No, this is an organization. Also, back in 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.080 twenty seven, team brought in Colin Kaepernick for an interview 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.760 when no one else would touch him, and we're was 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.600 willing to sign him if the football conversation had gone 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.680 the way that the Seahawks wanted it to go, which 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.760 it did not. So to me, that was never an issue. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.600 What I see here now is Pete. I will never 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.400 forget the conversation I had with Pete Carroll early on 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.840 UM when he was in Seattle, and he told me 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.920 this story where he said that when he was in 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.280 usc his first year, I believe it was, they went, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.120 they played five hundred football and Carson Palmer won the 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.560 Heisman Trophy, right, and he said to me, I never 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.520 want to be dependent on a quarterback again. And so 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.199 what did that mean? He wanted to be able to 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.080 play defense, he wanted to be able to run the ball. 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.200 So he gets to Seattle and that's their formula for success. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.880 Earlier in the year with Russell, and the minute Russell 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.120 starts opening the offense up and whatnot, what do we 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.559 hear from Pete man, I don't recognize this team. I 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.920 don't recognize this offense, and they try and scale it back. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.160 So what it appears to me is that John Schnyder 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.760 and Pete Carroll, if they do not use these chips 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.040 that they got from Denver to go out and get 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.400 Deshaun Watson. And there are people in the league who 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.080 tell me that that is part of their plan what 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.080 they would like to do, even though there's going to 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.680 be competition from other clubs. But it says to me, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.040 if that doesn't happen, what they're doing here is saying 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.920 we're gonna try and follow that blueprint all over again 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.680 and come up with a team that plays great defense 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.480 and is able to run the football. The problem with 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.559 that is, in my view, Russell Wilson actually played better 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.560 than what we're giving him credit for his first few 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.120 years in the league when they had that formula and 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.480 they had the legion of boom, because you got to 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.439 tell me who your quarterback is gonna be if that's 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.880 gonna work, and I just don't know who that is. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.400 It's not Drew Lock, right. And then you know, looking 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.880 at this, uh, you know now coming off the combine 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.400 makes you wonder how teams are feeling about the you know, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.120 the quarterback draft class that we've talked about, you know, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.280 at length here over the last few days, and how 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:50.840 it's just not quite as strong as it's been in 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.640 recent years. And then there's this this next huge piece 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.640 of the puzzle which we learned today, which is Carson 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.880 Wentz now one and done, which I think we all 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.600 have expected after the way that Chris Ballard and Frank 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.120 Bright talked about it during the week in Indianapolis. On 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.800 his way to the Washington Commanders, he and his twenty 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.640 eight million dollars in salary essentially for the third round 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.800 pick and a conditional third round pick, and the two 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.840 teams will swap second round picks. Um James, I'm just curious, 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.199 like as you're as you're assessing all of this quarterback 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.760 news and seeing the puzzles you know, fit into place here. Uh, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.760 you know, it's a bit more wild than we kind 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.560 of thought it was gonna be. It is. I remember 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.040 Bruce arians standing up on the podium just last week 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.400 at the Combine going like, these these veterans are not 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.080 to be trade. Come on, who's training these guys? You know? 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.439 And and so it was funny to hear him him 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.920 talk about that. And first I want to tackle kind 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.880 of this quarterback class because the more you know, questions 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.280 I asked around, and and Ba's team is kind of 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.800 one of them. The way they feel about Kyle Trask 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.920 that they drafted in the second round last year out 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.600 of Florida to finished fourth in the Heisman voting, Like 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.280 they like him better than anybody else in this class 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.080 that's coming out now. So like that's the way they feel. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.599 You go down to Houston and they're probably gonna have 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:08.040 Davis Mills start this entire season from what I'm hearing, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.480 and to me actually makes sense. You you start him, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.640 you get a look at him for a year, and 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.280 the picks that are you hoping you're getting from Deshaun 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.440 Watson you can use for your quarterback next season in 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:24.040 draft better last season than most people. Really good understand. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.240 And that's my other point, Like I was asking people 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.320 like what if Davis Mills would have stayed at Stanford 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.800 for another year and come out in this class, Like 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.280 where would he have ranked in this quarterbacks if he 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.880 would have came out, Because yeah, when he became the starter, 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.800 he Houston thinks he played as well as any rookie 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.080 that was out there. Now, these rookies had some some 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.280 struggles this year, and that happens with rookies. But yeah, 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.440 the way these things have fallen, and we'll now go 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.640 to Indie. What I had heard was obviously the way 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.520 the season ended. We saw Jim r says tarmac press conference, 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.480 and uh, the way he felt about what went down. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.600 What Chris Balad was trying to do was let's make 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.760 sure and I think this is a smart move in football, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.440 in business, in any aspect, is let's remove emotion from 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.760 the decision. And he was trying to drag this thing 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.960 on as far from the end of the regular season 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.040 as possible so him, Frank Riich and Jim rcay could 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.160 look at this thing and take emotion out of the 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.520 equation about the way the season ended. And what the 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.920 move we just saw now is it looks like with 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.400 that even being done, that they didn't think it was coredual. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.280 I'm curious, Jim, is what we saw from Carson Wentz, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.400 who Frank Reich, as we all say, gets more out 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.080 of him than anybody, and he goes to twenty seven 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.360 touchdowns and seven picks. Is Jimmy Garoppolo that much of 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.920 a step above Carson Wentz to make this move because 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.199 you would think that would be where they are somewhat heading. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.440 Because if that's not, I'm not sure what their other 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:54.959 options are at the spot. I'll say this to you, um, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:00.640 I always laugh when people tell me that certain draft 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.200 class this week at the quarterback position. It does not 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.920 matter how strong or how weak a classes. We know 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:13.280 that teams always go and so when we came in, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.840 when we're coming into this draft and everyone's saying there's 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.440 not a top ten guy there, I am almost willing 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.599 to bet James Palmer's paycheck that a quarterback will be 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:28.560 drafted and this year, okay, I'm pulling the way. Let 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.320 me heck, I might even throw myne in, Jim. Seahawks 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.559 could do it now at nine if they wanted to know. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.440 And that's what I'm saying to you. And all it 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.760 takes is one and then other teams are like, oh 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.000 my god, we gotta get one. And now these quarterbacks 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.560 get pushed up the board. And so that's what I'm saying. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.439 What people say to me, it's like a weak draft 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.880 in terms of the quarterbacks. It does not matter they 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.200 are going to be taken high anyway, because that's just 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.560 the nature of the league where everyone is searching for 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.960 that quarterback. And that's why I'm going back to the 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.360 Seattle situation and makes those system me because even if 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.840 allow this works out at Seattle wants, they still don't 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.480 have a quarterback. And what every team in this league 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.760 is chasing is that franchise guy. And Jim, to my point, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.040 it wasn't that these guys are it's that teams that 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.600 we think need quarterbacks value who's already on the roster 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.920 pretty highly. In terms of those are two teams where 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.680 we're all wondering, like, who are they gonna have his 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.520 quarterback like. That's the interesting way it measures up in 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.720 the landscape of who's gonna be picking this because somebody 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.880 is Jim's right, somebody's gonna pick, and then somebody's gonna 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.600 go oh, and then then it's gonna you know, it's 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.960 gonna snowball in that sense, and that's why the teams 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.440 that have the quarterbacks talent at the top of their 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.640 board gets pushed down towards them and then they go, okay, well, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.200 we'll just we'll just snag this guy who we're picking. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.960 You know, we're picking at twenty eight and we had 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.120 him at fifteen on our board. But he slides down 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.200 to me because people go on a cute quarterback run. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.240 But Herman Wers always said this to me. I'll never 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.280 forget it, and I always steal it from him, and 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.080 he always says, the best predictor of future behavior is 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.880 past behaviors, and when it comes to the NFL Draft, 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.200 that is all true. The best predictor of future behavior 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.840 is past behavior. So let's watch and see what happens 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.960 with these quarterbacks. So everyone is saying it's not a 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.600 good class. Let's see how many go in the first 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.840 round and how high? Sure? Sure? And now you know 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.400 you've got the Washington Commanders who have been looking for 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.800 a quarterback seems like the last couple of years since 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.680 the Dwayne Haskins experiment did not work after taking him 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.960 in the first round, and they seem desperate, right, made 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.000 a big move, made a big play reportedly for Russell Wilson, 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.320 and I Russell didn't want to go there. Uh, you know, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.800 they've been searching around other places. And then today, you 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.800 know this, this Wednesday of this week, they execute a 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.760 trade to bring in Carson Wentz and it's got people 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.640 all over Twitter wondering is he really that much better 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.080 than Taylor Heineke? And you're gonna pay him twenty eight 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.960 million this year? And so does that effectively take the 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.960 Washington Commanders out of the draft market for a quarterback 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.880 at number eleven? I don't know, um, but that's a 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.320 lot of money you're paying to the quarterback spot there 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.760 for somebody, um who maybe you know, isn't that much 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.280 better than somebody already on your roster. But clearly Washington 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.040 guys would have to see him as a as a 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.920 clear upgrade, right, otherwise you don't you don't make a 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.640 move like this. Yeah, completely, And I think I think 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.840 Baldi said it on our air. I don't know if 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.800 Jim was in that. No, I don't think he was 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.840 in that segment, and Bucky was in a different segment. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.880 Everybody was. We had a million people in the show today. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.600 And he said, like when you he's kind of that 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.000 guy to where and Jim can say this does have 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.520 been around the league forever and not to date you Jim, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.760 just you've covered the league for a while. Every every 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.760 coach thinks that they can change a player, every coach 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.000 thinks that they can, well it once he gets with me, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.800 I can. And Baldi said it best you look at 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.040 the measurables of Carson Wentz and the size and the 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.640 arm strength and the athletic ability like that is not 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.440 a common group of traits that a lot of people 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.240 on this planet have. But then it's the decision making 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:56.880 and all the other things that go with playing the 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.720 quarterback spot. When you see those traits as a coach, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.160 you go, well, I can fix the other parts. And 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.359 that's why I'm assuming this isn't gonna be the last 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.960 we see. If Carson Wentz going to another location and 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.440 another team taking a chance because the traits are there, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:12.399 and everybody's gonna see if they can be the one 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.240 to change him. Look at look at what's going on 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.160 with Mitchell Drabinsky. It's like all of a sudden, he's 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.359 a he's a hot guy. Yeah, I mean how they 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.720 couldn't run him out of Chicago fast enough? And now 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.720 it's Matt Neege's fault and this and the other. And 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.240 I'm not saying that that that Matt Nege isn't isn't 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.320 complicit in in the struggles that Tbisky had, But I'm 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.520 just saying everybody thinks that they're the ones that can 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.399 correct the guy. And I know Dave All had them 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.159 up in Buffalo, and now you can. You can bring 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.639 him to New York if that's what indeed happens, and 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.439 he competes with Daniel Jones. But if Daniel Jones were 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.520 to lose that that job to Mitchell, watch the next 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.200 thing is there's gonna be a team. Man. We gotta 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.000 get Daniel Jones. We think we can fix him. Yeah, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:56.280 and we go you know my my look, and I'm 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.320 not a personnel guy, would never claim to be in 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.640 this and the other, but I do believe that that 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.080 after three years of seeing a guy for three years 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.160 or whatever, he is who he is for the most part. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.840 And Jim, how much does where these players are selected 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.840 make that possible to keep coming back? If Mitchell Trobinski 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.560 was a fourth round pick, this wouldn't be happening over 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.280 and over again. Like you said in the same thing 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.800 with with Wentz and the same thing with Daniel Jones. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.919 You look at the talent that you see just an 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.440 athletic ability, you look at where they're picked, and then 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.600 they keache and coming back exactly over and over and 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.359 over again. I was gonna make how much time do 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:36.439 we have? I I didn't want to Oh, okay, I 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.040 want to drop a couple. I didn't know if we 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.400 left the whole Russell will still please give me more? 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:42.680 And I had a couple of nunets that I thought 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:47.040 were pretty interesting. Um one, this is something that George Payton, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.879 I found this out today, has been working on for 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.960 maybe months. And that doesn't mean he was talking to 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.320 Seattle for months, But that was him putting things together 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.200 and on his side of things four months and then 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.000 the last several weeks going back to the Senior Bowl, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.160 he started having conversations with John Schneider, and that's when 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:10.119 they started to start having these deeper conversations with one another. 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.800 And then the combine those really kind of heated up. 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.040 And I thought it was interesting. They're having all these 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.480 closed door meetings and nobody in the building knows, Like 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.200 coaches on the staff I'm talking to don't know, And 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.200 so few people in the building knew what George Peyton 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.760 was up to. And he did it that way on purpose, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.520 and it was a very tight circle because a he 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.960 didn't want the trade to be squandered in any sort 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.600 of capacity to where something gets out and somebody gets 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.200 out early, and both sides, both teams did a pretty 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.239 good job in this social media world of keeping this 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.040 thing pretty tight lipped for as long as they did. 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.600 And then the other part that I found really interesting 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.200