WEBVTT - TOP 10: Edge Rushers in the 2025 NFL Draft | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode of Ticket to the Draft podcast, we

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<v Speaker 1>have the edge rushers. Man, this is such a fun class.

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<v Speaker 1>We got speed to power, we got bull rushers, we

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<v Speaker 1>got edge guys, athletes, anybody you want. And we also

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<v Speaker 1>have Bruce Lee in this class. It's a deep class.

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<v Speaker 1>We love them all. We got a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>hate for one guy. That's a criticism, not hate. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not haters. And then we've got five extra guys, guys

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody in the national media is talking about, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about them here. It's for the nerds. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we answer fan questions. It all starts right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome into the Tick of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan

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<v Speaker 1>Paulson here with just the guy, Jason and Jason. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so excited today to be talking edge rushers. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get an edge rusher, sure you guys like and

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<v Speaker 1>comment wherever you guys can content. We got questions we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about a little bit later. Guys left

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<v Speaker 1>some good ones. We figured we addressed those. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime we're gonna talk some edge rusher pass rusher

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<v Speaker 1>ball here, which is exciting. That's one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>valuable positions in in sports at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, edge rusher is the most exciting class for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the craziest athletes that are there, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's so much fun to watch. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>say corner is a crazy athletic position, and it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but for me, the size that these guys are, the

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<v Speaker 2>way that they move, it just shouldn't be real. And

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<v Speaker 2>the variety of it. We have smaller guys that move

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quick, big guys that move pretty quick, small guys

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<v Speaker 2>that are super strong, and it's just the variety of

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<v Speaker 2>athlete and size that you find is pretty incredible to

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<v Speaker 2>me in the edge class. So I'm excited to dive

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<v Speaker 2>into this there. We still just full disclosure for everyone listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I at least I don't want to speak for you Logan.

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<v Speaker 2>Still have a lot of guys to watch. But I

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<v Speaker 2>went through about what is generally considered the top twenty

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<v Speaker 2>edge rushers, and we'll be talking about obviously your top ten,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll hitdle on those. But as we go through

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<v Speaker 2>Ticket to the Draft podcast and we get closer to

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<v Speaker 2>the actual draft, we'll touch on even more guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I think that'll bet to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun. And again, like with the edge rushers,

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<v Speaker 1>I think from an evaluation point, it's always easier to

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<v Speaker 1>watch them because they're in They're in the they're in

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<v Speaker 1>the teeth of the play all the time, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to kind of go hunt and peck and

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<v Speaker 1>look for them like with the way you would with

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<v Speaker 1>a dB. Right there in the film, they're they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing something impactful every single play. So on like a

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<v Speaker 1>dB where you got to kind of watch three or

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<v Speaker 1>four games to get a feel, you can watch an

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<v Speaker 1>edge sure in about thirty to forty snaps usually, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you kind of couple that with like reel and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get a feel for how they move and

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<v Speaker 1>what they do well. So I always like edge because

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<v Speaker 1>they're fun, like you mentioned the freak athletes, but also

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<v Speaker 1>they tend to be a little bit more straightforward in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of evaluation, which picks makes our lives a lot easier,

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<v Speaker 1>especially kind of on you know, kind of getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to get get in these prospects ready excuse me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, And just so everybody knows, we see your comments,

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<v Speaker 2>we hear your comments. We have somebody that add a

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<v Speaker 2>question about offensive line play and something we said, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to answer that at the end of the show. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>someone was asking about re viewing Gabe Taylor, who's a safety,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll do DBS coming up soon, but I'm ready

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the edge rushers. And the way that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start that logan is by asking you

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of questions. It's what do you look for

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<v Speaker 2>in edge? And then I want you to clarify some

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<v Speaker 2>terms that we'll probably be using moving forward. So when

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<v Speaker 2>we use shorthand as a lot of scouts in the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL as a whole uses somebody that's tuning in for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time or just getting their toes wet in

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<v Speaker 2>the draft and prospect evaluation process, they understand what those

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<v Speaker 2>terms means. So let's start here. What do you look

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<v Speaker 2>for logan in your edge rushers?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, like we did the offensive line for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, athletic traits and they're kind of to the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line, like her how they anchor. There's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more technical hume in there that's important to understand

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of make sure you make note of as

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<v Speaker 1>you're going through the process. But for me edge rusher, sure, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's athlete all the time. Mass, it's athlete one hundred percent. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you see a big, strong, athletic dude who's physical

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<v Speaker 1>and like's contact, that's the guy that you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the player that you got to hone in on

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<v Speaker 1>and again. And like we've talked unch kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>previous show, obviously you're looking for athletic traits, but in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to athletic trades, you're also so kind of looking

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<v Speaker 1>for and you can't have one in isolation without the other.

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<v Speaker 1>The redemptions we got on this list today, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think are going to be really fun to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>as to why maybe we're willing to look past some

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<v Speaker 1>of the lack of either top flight athleticism or top

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<v Speaker 1>flight production. But to me, it's it's like, you want

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<v Speaker 1>that guy that could have played power forward in the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA pensive end, and you want to see a certain

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<v Speaker 1>amount of violence, a certain amount of like I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to use the analogy of like a dog with a ball, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you want the guy who when you throw the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>like he is just one thousand miles an hour, hell

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<v Speaker 1>or high water going to go. And there's some guys

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<v Speaker 1>in our obviously we've got the top ten, but some

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<v Speaker 1>guys in the kind of the auxiliary five or six

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<v Speaker 1>that we wanted to just bring up mentioned aren't in

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<v Speaker 1>the list because they don't have that kind of urgency

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<v Speaker 1>to their play. So urgent, athletic, physical are all things

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<v Speaker 1>that you're looking for here. It's really this is like

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<v Speaker 1>bare bones, like strip it down. I think it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the easier positions to evaluate, just because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you want tall, oletic dudes who are violent and care

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<v Speaker 1>about care about ball, and then really that's what it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you a couple of terms that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to use going through these guys when we

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<v Speaker 2>describe them, and some of them may seem basic to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, but to others that are just

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<v Speaker 2>getting into this, please bear with us. We want them

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<v Speaker 2>to know what we're talking about. So, like the very

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<v Speaker 2>first one is like, what is a bull rush?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bullrush is like kind of what you think about

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl, like when it's gonna smash into another bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're going to hit each other full speed. You're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of running if you're the defensive player, like right

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<v Speaker 1>down the middle of the offensive lineman, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>set that up in different ways. You can take different angles.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of attack the outside shoulder of the offensive lineman,

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<v Speaker 1>put your foot in the ground and kind of of

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<v Speaker 1>get the tackle moving before you get engaged in the

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<v Speaker 1>bull rush. And what you want to see there is

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<v Speaker 1>just nice tight elbows, you know, three points of contact

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<v Speaker 1>to hand to extension, get that offensive lineman to really

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<v Speaker 1>have to work his anchor stop his feet. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see either a bull rush that finishes

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<v Speaker 1>at the quarterback or a bull rush to a nice

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<v Speaker 1>transition with strong hands kind of pulling yourself through. So

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see great hand engagement, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>see great contact. You want to see great kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a recklessness almost to the bull rush to get that

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<v Speaker 1>guy off balance. And again to me, when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>pass rush, the best pass rushers in the NFL year

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<v Speaker 1>on year are great, and they have the highlight reel

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<v Speaker 1>kind of where they do the Euro step when they

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<v Speaker 1>chop hands and they get by and you see all

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<v Speaker 1>those BT Jordan pass rush clinics. But the best guys

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<v Speaker 1>have elite power and because the power kind of forces

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive lineman to stop their feet. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>when you're looking at bull rushes like that's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>so important to talk about these guys from a Power

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<v Speaker 1>File standpoint is can you get the tackle to respect

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<v Speaker 1>you running down the middle of their screws? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>get them to stop their feet, because then I can

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<v Speaker 1>work edges a little bit easier. I can do some

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<v Speaker 1>of that hand fighting stuff that you know gets people

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram famous.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about that hand fighting stuff. The thing

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<v Speaker 2>that last year lay out to you LOTU was so

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<v Speaker 2>good at, and it's the finesse moves. Like when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about finess moves, what are some of them? What

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean? Because when we broke down on the

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<v Speaker 2>last episode offensive line, you were saying, an offensive lineman

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<v Speaker 2>has to be prepared for basically three things, an outside move,

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<v Speaker 2>an inside move, and running right at your face. And

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these set up for the next one.

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<v Speaker 2>Because these guys are playing chess. So if I think

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<v Speaker 2>a bull rush is coming, what's a finesse move that? Then? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he buld rushed me. Next time I'm setting my anchor,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh here it comes a finesse move to my inside

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<v Speaker 2>or my outside. Give me an example of some of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, So a lot of people think of finess

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<v Speaker 1>moves as just being hand moves, but they're also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of correlated with your feed. So for example, like I

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<v Speaker 1>want to run kind of right down the middle, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to show you like a jab step or kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a one to two imagine like I'm crossing

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<v Speaker 1>you over, I get to tackle to settle his feet

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm thicking power. He throws his hands, the tackle

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<v Speaker 1>throws his hands, or the guard throws their hands. I

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<v Speaker 1>can work a double wiper, so basically, like imagine you're

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<v Speaker 1>a wax on wax off from karate kid, I'm moving

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<v Speaker 1>both my hands simultaneously to kind of knock his hands down,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of losing or being soft with my inside shoulder,

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<v Speaker 1>getting skinny with my torso, and then working a perimeter

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<v Speaker 1>move right and so you can do that. Wipers is

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<v Speaker 1>easy because you can do it outside and you get inside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just changing the direction you're moving your hands. And

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<v Speaker 1>then obviously there's like a dip and rip move, which

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<v Speaker 1>is which is really effective. There's a couple guys on

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<v Speaker 1>here that have excellent dip and rip moves, and these

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of like some people would categorize them as

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<v Speaker 1>a ghost rush, but basically it all comes back to

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<v Speaker 1>protecting my inside shoulder. As a rusher, I'm gonna dip

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<v Speaker 1>down towards the ground. The tackle's gonna punch. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a lot of juice on there because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>low to the ground, he's high. And then as I

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<v Speaker 1>rip through, I'm ripping through that contact and shaving that

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<v Speaker 1>angle so I can get to the quarterback. There's that,

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<v Speaker 1>There's like the fake long arm to chop. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of different stuff they can do, but all

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<v Speaker 1>of them are designed initially to stop the tackle's feet

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<v Speaker 1>and then you work to the edge. Because basically, if

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, if I'm a tackle and I

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<v Speaker 1>never if I never set to power, if I never

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<v Speaker 1>stop my feet, I would just keep kicking with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So you want to see guys that take good effective

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<v Speaker 1>angles to the quarterback and then have that suddenness to

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<v Speaker 1>attack inside outside with you know, wipers, chops, rips, those

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<v Speaker 1>types of moves.

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<v Speaker 2>And building off of that, Like you said, what is

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<v Speaker 2>speed to power? Because that sounds like a combination of

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<v Speaker 2>two of the things that you just said, So give

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<v Speaker 2>me a quick explanation of speed to power.

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<v Speaker 1>So like for me, it's kind of it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>melds or blends in with like a bull rush. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a bull rush is like a power move basically, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But there are different ways to set up your power,

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<v Speaker 1>and so for me, speed to power is basically what

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to do. So like if I take too

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<v Speaker 1>tight of an angle, like if I run too closely

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<v Speaker 1>to the tackle, I'm not stressed him. He's just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of waiting for me there. So then I run into

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who's ready to brace, ready to grab onto me,

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<v Speaker 1>ready to sink his hips, and ready to redirect me

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<v Speaker 1>from the quarterback. There are certain guys we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about here that do a really good job of

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<v Speaker 1>taking what I would call a high angle, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>not running away from the tackle, but forcing the tackle

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<v Speaker 1>to be really aggressive with their kickstep, so that when

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<v Speaker 1>you turn and transition into a bowl or a power rush,

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of unsettled with their feet. They're really stressing

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<v Speaker 1>to move quickly to that spot to meet up with you.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of change the angle last minute, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when you collision them, their base is why they're not

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<v Speaker 1>ready for the contact. And it can be helpful, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you're rushing it's a bigger tackle to help kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get them off balance and then make your power

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<v Speaker 1>move more effective. So that's why they call it speed

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<v Speaker 1>vertical speed up the field to power to that contact

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<v Speaker 1>point to get them to make your power move a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more effective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then just a guy terminology. The way I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of look at it is that there are guys

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<v Speaker 2>they're two weight. There's really five ways to attack, right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the inside move, the outside move, straight bullrush, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's a bull rush into a finesse move like

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<v Speaker 2>a spin for instance, and then there's speed to power.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to look like I'm dipping and coming around

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<v Speaker 2>the outside, but then I'm going to go right at

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<v Speaker 2>you when you look a little off balance. And some

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<v Speaker 2>of these guys are really good at all most of these,

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<v Speaker 2>or rather they specialize in one or two of these,

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<v Speaker 2>most of these guys, and when you find a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that can do all of these, that's where you get

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<v Speaker 2>your very high top end prospects, which we'll talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's let's go ahead and get into it. Logan,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do your top ten edge rushers in this year's draft.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll start with number ten.

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<v Speaker 1>HEO, do you got my god? Princey Princely excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>Unmanniela from Old Miss and he's weavers number four on film.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at the Senior Ball. He's uh. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's like six four two fifty five is. She's got

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four and a quarter inch arms, so pretty long

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<v Speaker 1>arms for his height. And he's kind of built like

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<v Speaker 1>a pass rusher right like you look at him and

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<v Speaker 1>he's built to rush the pastor. He's got really good

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<v Speaker 1>movement skills. He's got pretty intuitive hand usages. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>the most polished thing I've ever seen of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's pretty good and it's funny. He was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first guys I watched and I was like, oh, first,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be a top five player just because

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<v Speaker 1>he's got this great these great movement skills. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think the fact that he's ten speaks to, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how deep this edge rusher classes, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>peak might not be outside of Abdu Coller Carter, might

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<v Speaker 1>not be the highest, but I do think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of really really talented guys that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be starters, and I think Princeley is a good example

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<v Speaker 1>that the reason he's lower on my list is because

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<v Speaker 1>I think he at times he lacks urgency in the

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<v Speaker 1>run game, right, A lot of these guys were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like they just play with their absolute hair on

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<v Speaker 1>fire all the time. He's not hot and cold. He's

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<v Speaker 1>really he's really reticent to run to the football pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of the football. But if he's engaged in a block,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not super dynamic or in terms of shedding as

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<v Speaker 1>a run player, he brings a great juice. As a

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<v Speaker 1>pass rusher, He's a little bit of a one trick

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<v Speaker 1>pony in terms he's always trying to attack the perimeter.

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<v Speaker 1>But the long arms his frame allow him to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of work a long arm which is a version

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<v Speaker 1>of the bowl work kind of two hands into a

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<v Speaker 1>transitional rush. So he does have power, he does have speed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's got the ability to be a nice

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<v Speaker 1>situational pass rusher at the next level, which is pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, good football player. I thought he'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit higher, but again it just speaks to the

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<v Speaker 1>depth of the class. And the reason he's lower than

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other guys is because I think, again,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some stuff, some questions I have in the run game.

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<v Speaker 1>But for a lot of teams that's okay. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think when you look at like Nick Benito for the

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<v Speaker 1>for the Denver Broncos, for example, like he was a

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<v Speaker 1>situational pass rusher, pass rushing specialist kind of in college.

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<v Speaker 1>This feels a little bit like that he's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>grown over the course of his first two or three

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<v Speaker 1>years of the NFL and become a every down type player.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Princely could follow that same trajectory and become

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<v Speaker 1>very impactful at the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw something that I thought was interesting where it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like he hand fights sometimes at the point of attack,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of where like the quickly shedding the

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<v Speaker 2>attacking the run game I think kind of gets lost.

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<v Speaker 2>He just gets so locked into I need to win

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<v Speaker 2>and just kind of stays there for too long before

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<v Speaker 2>making some sort of move or shedding or taking his

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<v Speaker 2>eyes to look at what the play is that's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in front of him. He's just so excited about beating

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who's in front of him, and that's just

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<v Speaker 2>a guy eyes. I don't know if that's what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in his head, but it just looks like for

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<v Speaker 2>all the other guys that I watched, he just sits

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<v Speaker 2>at the point of attack just a hair longer than others.

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<v Speaker 2>But he has incredible burst bend twitch speed like he's

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<v Speaker 2>explosive man, and he's got a frame that I think

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<v Speaker 2>he can keep growing into. So when I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>just a guy, what you're saying to me makes complete sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny how this happens because I love hearing Utah

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<v Speaker 2>talk about guys with your expert opinion and my just

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<v Speaker 2>a guy eyes because I don't know what I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about or what I'm looking at. I'm just a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who watches football. But then hearing you talk about these

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<v Speaker 2>guys and it's like, well, that matches up with the

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<v Speaker 2>eye test, because that's basically what I am. I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>eye test. And it's like you're saying all these things

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<v Speaker 2>and you're explaining it in a way that I could

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<v Speaker 2>never fully understand all the technicalities of it. But Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all that makes sense because it matches up with my

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<v Speaker 2>eyes or scene. And what I mean by that is

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote down it looks like you could be an

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<v Speaker 2>immediate pass rush specialist. Yeah, and that's a good role

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<v Speaker 2>for a team.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And I think like you're always and I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's tremendous value there. And there's a couple other

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<v Speaker 1>guys like in the subsequent lists we're going to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's he's got some juice to him, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's ultimately what you're chasing with this position. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about athletes. He's an athlete. He runs, he can hit,

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<v Speaker 1>He's again, he's got this tremendous ability to have have

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<v Speaker 1>like this in eight feel as a pass rusher. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it looked great at the Senior Bowl and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the bag work and movement skills. Didn't win all

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<v Speaker 1>of his one on ones, but I thought was pretty dynamic.

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<v Speaker 1>But a player that like he's going to contribute to

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<v Speaker 1>an NFL roster and he's the tenth guy on the list,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So it just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>speaks again to the class. And again, like one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things about him is I do think because of

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<v Speaker 1>his arm length, because of his frame, he can be

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<v Speaker 1>more impactful on first and second down given the right environment,

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<v Speaker 1>given the right coaching situation. So you know, for a

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<v Speaker 1>team like the Commanders, he's to me would be a

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<v Speaker 1>great fit. You know, in terms of a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>has pass rushed, you this good frame, good length, and

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<v Speaker 1>just getting him in the right culture and with the

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<v Speaker 1>right mentality because he does finish to the ball. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just not this viole like. We're gonna talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>guy here at number nine who is like, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>question about his urgency and passion for the game. With Princely,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's your like. I know you like rushing

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<v Speaker 1>the passer. I know you're really good at it. I

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<v Speaker 1>need to see a little bit more on first and

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<v Speaker 1>second down for me to be really confident about you

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>You're becoming a pro. That's a nice segue into only

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<v Speaker 2>feme olidagio from UCLA. You're so you have your eyes

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<v Speaker 2>on this guy, I'm sure. But is he representing your

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<v Speaker 2>alma mater? Well, Logan, tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, man, he is. He was maybe him

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<v Speaker 1>and another guy, or maybe the two guys I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>watching most. Like talk about a guy who loves ball,

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<v Speaker 1>who is violent at the point of attack like his

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's he's urgent to get to the football. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to extension, both hands on the tackles, checks,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to pull to get free. Like there was

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<v Speaker 1>a play versus USC where he like there was a

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<v Speaker 1>zone read. He attacks the mesh point and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make the tackle, but he looks like a like a missile,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he dives at the quarterback, He like leg whips

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<v Speaker 1>the running back. He's flailing around and you're just like

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<v Speaker 1>that is. It reminds me a lot of who's a

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<v Speaker 1>linebacker here? Number four? Jeez, forget his name already, luvuk Luvu,

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<v Speaker 1>Frankie Louvia. He reminds me of that kind of energy

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<v Speaker 1>in a bigger body. You know, he's six two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, but he's two sixty five. He's big, he's heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>He rushes at all three spots, rushes at the three technique,

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<v Speaker 1>rushes at the end, and rushes at the nose guard

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<v Speaker 1>as their spinner. And just Is is a maniac to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the football and violent when he gets there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's only played like you talked about after

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<v Speaker 1>the Senior Bowl. He's only played like rush defensive end

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<v Speaker 1>for like six games in his career. So for a

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<v Speaker 1>guy to show this type of juice and enthusiasm and energy, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, man, he is he's everything you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's no question about his desire, his hustle, his passion,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has the right kind of physical violence to

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<v Speaker 1>his game that just just it sets you off, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you're just like, I want to coach this guy. I

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<v Speaker 1>want him to be a part of this organization now.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the limited experience, he's a little bit raw,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a little bit stiff. You know. Princely has this

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<v Speaker 1>great bend and natural movement skill. Femi's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>tighter in the upper back, kind of a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more of a power type rusher, but he has enough

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<v Speaker 1>juice to his motor that makes you say, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's going to be a good football player. Just got

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<v Speaker 1>to get him with the right coaches and keep fostering

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<v Speaker 1>this tremendous passion for football.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My favorite stat about him is that he played

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<v Speaker 2>inside linebacker and he looks like it. Right, He's got

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<v Speaker 2>that type of body, big, supersized, just rocked up dude, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, Okay, he played well at inside linebacker,

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<v Speaker 2>and then UCLA went, hey, let's move him to the

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<v Speaker 2>outside for the final six games of this season, and

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<v Speaker 2>he just balled, just immediately started racking up the production.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, but he's a wild man right, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that has to do with the rawness that

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking about. But crazy, This doesn't take a

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<v Speaker 2>genius to see. He's crazy athletic and has a motor

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<v Speaker 2>like that's what it is, right, He's just running on high.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are more athletic people. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about another guy here that I think is very

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<v Speaker 1>similar in terms of play style. But there's something to

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<v Speaker 1>be said for playing hard at defensive end and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit reckless. And he does that, like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at matting rating, like he's playing hard all the

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<v Speaker 1>time and he's also a little bit reckless. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to throw his body in there and be devastating,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you're just going to get You're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to fall into a lot of plays. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy here that is maybe the most athletically gifted guy

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<v Speaker 1>on this list, but he's not in the top ten

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<v Speaker 1>because he doesn't bring the juice all the time and

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<v Speaker 1>I think those like just bringing juice all the time, energy, passion,

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<v Speaker 1>motivation just makes him such a high floor prospect in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he is going to Femi here is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a surprise on draft night for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people because he's not getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>national attention, and a coach is just going to fall

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<v Speaker 2>in love with this. They're going to fall in love

0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 2>with that energy, that motor and the rawness the clay.

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:43.880
<v Speaker 2>And when you have a guy that has that type

0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.800
<v Speaker 2>of motor and that energy and that juice and that hustle,

0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.840
<v Speaker 2>that tends to mean that they have the want to right,

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.119
<v Speaker 2>they're hard workers off the field. That tends to be

0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a correlation there. So a coach is going to see

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<v Speaker 2>this and go, oh my gosh, if I have If

0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 2>he's already this and he's I can still mold him,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take him. And I think he's going to go

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<v Speaker 2>much higher than people anticipate because the coach is going

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<v Speaker 2>to see that and won it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dane Brugler, you know who does the athletic stuff, has

0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.399
<v Speaker 1>them already in his top ninety players. So it's already

0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.320
<v Speaker 1>starting to happen because people are starting to be aware

0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.639
<v Speaker 1>of what he does and the physicality and the urgency

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<v Speaker 1>he plays with.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Number eight for you, yeah, is.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ohio state standout. You're gonna have to help me

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.399
<v Speaker 1>with his name here, it's TJ. Right, TJ to malau

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.920
<v Speaker 1>JT to malau JT. There we go, not the part

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I need help with. But you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's me reading wrong anyway. So he's he's sixty five,

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.200
<v Speaker 1>he's two sixty five, looks like he might be two seventy.

0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Is long, He's like long limbed, long legs. He has

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 1>this great kind of feel for getting to extension on blockers.

0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.960
<v Speaker 1>He's got this kind of silky smooth athleticism. To me,

0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.880
<v Speaker 1>he's this is like a high floor prospect, right, He's

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<v Speaker 1>got the frame, he's got the athleticism. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>leaves some to be desired as a pure pass rusher.

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.359
<v Speaker 1>He's got a nice little spin move. He's got some

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<v Speaker 1>decent power, a little bit sluggish to react to stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But because he's so good on first and second down,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's got the frame, because he's got this length,

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.479
<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to be a very very solid

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.440
<v Speaker 1>pro So if the commanders were to draft a guy

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<v Speaker 1>like this, you feel really good about the floor that

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<v Speaker 1>he brings to your defense.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question about him off of what you

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<v Speaker 2>just said. So you said he's like a little bit sluggish, right,

0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it's just he doesn't have that burst

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.320
<v Speaker 2>in that quickness, because he does seem to eventually get

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<v Speaker 2>up there, almost like he has a build up speed.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think that's like an athletic thing, like

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<v Speaker 2>a trait that's holding him back or is it a

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<v Speaker 2>coaching thing? Is it something you can train and teach,

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<v Speaker 2>like to get him to just be a little quicker

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>off the burst.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I definitely think he can fix his stance a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. You know, he kind of does a lot

0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.359
<v Speaker 1>of stuff from a three point stance, so two feet

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.159
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, one hand on the ground. He's in

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<v Speaker 1>a sprinter stance, but he's his butt's kind of low,

0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and so when you think about getting off from a

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<v Speaker 1>pass rushing standpoint, you kind of want your butt above

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 1>your shoulders so you can kind of get that extension

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 1>out of your stands. I think we could kind of

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<v Speaker 1>they could clean that up for him a little bit.

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I do think to your point that there are some

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<v Speaker 1>technical corrections you could make, but I also believe that

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<v Speaker 1>that's just kind of how he's wired. And so people say, well, Logan,

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 1>you just talked about athleticism, right, He's he's athletic in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way. Kind of like a fluid kind of

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 1>basketball type of athleticism. Right, it's not super sudden. He's

0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of like that guy at the YMCA who's always

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of crossing people over in slow motion and hitting

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<v Speaker 1>three pointers. And the size is something that you just

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<v Speaker 1>can't overlook here in terms of floor, Like, he could

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<v Speaker 1>play stand up edge, right, he could play like kind

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 1>of a four down six techniques, so head up over

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the tight end. He could play a tight five if

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you need him to, because the length, because the extension,

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<v Speaker 1>because the frame just brings his floor up so tremendously.

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<v Speaker 1>So is he the most exciting prospect on the list? No,

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 1>but again, floor is incredibly high I think he had.

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>He does have some upside as a pass rusher, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when you watch him, his ability to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>spin move off of kind of his power approach is

0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty devastating, and he's able to create a couple pressures

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>off of that. So again, not the most dynamic guy,

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>but again, just a really really solid professional. And I

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<v Speaker 1>like to bet on those guys in the draft because

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>it's mitigating risk. Right, His frame, his length, his kind

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of silky smooth athleticism, his physicality, he had a great

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>play against Oregon where they're run in like a counter,

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>they're pulling the guard the tight ends. Following he blows

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<v Speaker 1>just straight through the guards outside shoulder hits the tight end,

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<v Speaker 1>makes a huge pile, makes a tackle like I want

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>that on my team. A guy that diagnoses attacks with violence,

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.919
<v Speaker 1>and you see the physical tools on plays like that,

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 1>and then they happen relatively consistently. So I really like

0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>him as a player. If he was a commander, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be pret juiced.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be super juice because I think he's just all

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>around good and he also he's got a high football IQ.

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.360
<v Speaker 2>It looks like I mean, he can quickly dissect what's

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>going on with play, shed blocks, get into the run game,

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and he's just very smooth. There's something about him where

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 2>he's not flashy, but he is just effective at everything

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>he does. Honestly, I think this guy is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a breakout star. I could see it happening just

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 2>because he's so solid at everything. And I still think

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 2>he has like you were saying earlier, the things that

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<v Speaker 2>he's not great at are coachable and things that he'll

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<v Speaker 2>grow into and learn, especially if he gets with a

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:47.159
<v Speaker 2>good defensive minded coach or d line coach that can

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<v Speaker 2>teach him how to like get a little more juice, right,

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe don't be so deliberate, be a little more wild,

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like how we just talked about Femi, Like just add

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that to your game, change your mindset, just to hear,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't think it's the athleticism or the IQ

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 2>that's holding them back. I think it's like I think

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 2>it's a mentality, quite honestly, and and if that clicks

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 2>for him, I think he could be honestly a breakout star. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna battle on this guy, like this is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be one of my guys that I'm gonna love watching

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<v Speaker 2>the career of. And I hope he does really well

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 2>because I, for whatever reason, my just a guy eyes

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<v Speaker 2>see it. Okay, so we're going to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>next guy here, and that is number seven is Lyndon

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Jackson from Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>For you, dude, I absolutely this is maybe my favorite

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 1>player in the defensive line group. And again, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>the best athlete, he's not the twitchiest guy. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I love about him is he plays the game with

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<v Speaker 1>such physical violence. Right, he is tough man. He is

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<v Speaker 1>going to play every play one percent. There's no compromising

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>in terms of effort. Like you watch its LSU and again,

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Will Campbell is, you know, my number one offensive lineman.

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.479
<v Speaker 1>But he's given Will Campbell fits right just because every

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.919
<v Speaker 1>down it's like I'm running right down the screws. I

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.919
<v Speaker 1>am violently extending, I'm violently shending. I'm violently running to

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the football. And he's a big old hoss. He's six

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>five and a half, he's two seventy five to seventy

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>three something like that. He's got thirty three and a

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>half inch arms. Arm wakes a little bit short. But man,

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.679
<v Speaker 1>he I when you play the game the right way,

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>when you are like, hey, man, it's ninety minutes of

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>me and you and our face masks are gonna hit

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna they're gonna be really familiar with themselves

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>by the end of this game. Like I just I

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.239
<v Speaker 1>can't get enough of that, man, I really cannot. And

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 1>so he does that. He's a little stiff. He's a

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>little stiff in his upper back. He plays a little

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>bit of high so all of his sacks tend to

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>be kind of either like bull rushes to like hard

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>transitions or bull rushes to kind of power rips, which

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.360
<v Speaker 1>again we've seen. I'm not gonna I'm going to compare

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 1>him to Jared Verse. They're very different players. Jared Vers

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 1>has elite, devastating, you know, game changing power. Landon Jackson

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 1>plays like that, but not quite to the same level. Right,

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 1>So I just think, you know, if you put him

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>at a stand up end, he's gonna set a hard

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>edge and he's gonna make your life absolutely hell. He

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 1>can play a six technique and can play a five.

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>He was their stand up spinner and he's just running

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>right down the middle of the center's faces. You can

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>tell guys don't want to block him because of how

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 1>he plays. In the Senior Bowl game, he has two sacks,

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.640
<v Speaker 1>he has a force fumble like he just plays hard man.

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>And again, like this is gonna sound dumb, but like

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>when you're big and athletic and physically violent, if you

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 1>play hard and you play every snap like it's your

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>last snap, it's gonna save you a lot of grief.

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 1>So everyone says, oh, well, Logan, how is he compared

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to Princely Umaniela you know from Old Miss Princey is

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 1>a better athlete, Like he moves better, he's looser, he's

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>he's got more pass rush upside. But if you want

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a guy that's going to come in at day one

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and change your program and be a commander, then just

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>set a cultural physical tone for your team. It's it's

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Land and Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Logan, I think what we're starting to learn, if

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 2>our listeners are still with us, which I hope they are,

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 2>is that this class is good. This is a good

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>edg rush class. I don't know that there's any like

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>there's not like a ton of elite guys like or

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 2>sure things or blue chippers let's call them that. There's

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>not a ton of those. But the depth here is great.

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Like if you're getting these guys, if you look at

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the list we've gone through already, this is your seventh, eighth, ninth,

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and tenth on the list of edge rushers, and you'd

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 2>be happy with these guys, right, So I think that

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 2>that's real quickly. I just wanted to state that out,

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Like they all have like little things that can be

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>improved upon. They're not perfect, they're certainly not blue chippers yet,

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>but they all look like they can contribute almost immediately

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 2>in some way for our teams.

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a great point. That's what's so

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>exciting about this Edwritch class because even the five or

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>six guys we're going to talk about kind of just

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>throwing names out there, I think contribute as well given

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the right situation. But the fact that maybe my favorite player,

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite players in the entire draft, the

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>seventh Edge Rusher, I think speaks to the physical talent

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>that this group has. And again that we talk about

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>how production and physical traits need to meet up, right,

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and some of these guys early on have just the

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>most cartoonish physical traits you've ever seen, But again the

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>production doesn't always match up. And so that's why, I mean,

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a really interesting class to talk about, and I'm

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>glad we're going to talk about him.

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>And speaking of guys that are just kind of cartoonish,

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get now into some of the guys that

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>just move incredibly well. And we're going to start here

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>with the James Pierce Jr. There are a couple of

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 2>guys that are like him. He's the first one on

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>our board that I think is his size and moves

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>like he does. I mean, I'm gonna start real quick

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 2>this guy's tape is just fun to watch because he

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>excels at burst and bend. He's got great top tier

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>pursuit speed, he's got nice footwork. He's just he's got

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>long length, he's twitched. It's like this guy's huge and

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>he is an incredible athlete. Now he has some deficiencies.

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you'll talk about him, but him, Mike Green

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>will talk about later. Like, these guys kind of fall

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>in the same category. They are all around the same size,

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and man can they move. So talk to me a

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit about James Pierce Junior from Tennessee.

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he's like I think you hit the

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>nail on the head there. He's kind of he's what

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>is he's six ' five, he's two forties three, I

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>want to say, and they don't. We don't. We don't

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>have an official arm length measurement for him because he

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 1>wasn't at the Senior Bowl. But we'll get that to

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>you once he's at the combine. But kind of looks

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>like a big receiver, like he runs exceptionally well. He

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>has got good length. It's seemingly on film. He's got

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>good physical pop and twitch. To me, he's playing like

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>his hand in the dirt, kind of a six six

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>technique tight nine. I don't know if that's his best game.

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I want him at a two point. I want him

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>attacking the quarterback as much as possible, because again he's

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>not maybe the most refined pass rusher, but he makes

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>up for it with just amendous horsepower. Right, He's a

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>little stiff through his trunk, so that elite bend isn't

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>always there. But unlike Landon Jackson, who's kind of this

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>power bruising hulk, this guy looks like he might run

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a four to four. Like he is juiced up, he's twitchy,

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>he gets off the ball well, he's violent at the

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 1>intersection point in terms of past row. The reason to

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>me again, if you watch his what is this twenty

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty three tape, you're like, this dude's going to be

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>a top ten pick. Then, for whatever reason, this last

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>year in twenty twenty four kind of stumbled a little bit.

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>It's production's way down. Not really sure what the deal

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>was if there was a change in usage. They rotate

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>him out a lot. They have like six or seven

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>guys there along the defensive front that are constantly like

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>hockey rotationing in which was frustrating when you're watching the

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>All twenty two because you're like, dude, I just want

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to watch this guy play like he's the best athlete

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>out here, like let him play more. But for whatever reason,

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>they made a decision not to do that. I do

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>feel like there are times where he's not all the

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>way engaged in the game because he is such a

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>good athlete. Like there was an example versus Vanderbilt where

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the guy, the offensive lineman kind of walks him to

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the sideline and he looks at him and kind of

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>points to the ref and the ref's like, you got

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to get off the block. And the next play he

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>absolutely just murders this guy. But I'm like, where's that

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>effort all the time? And so I think that's something

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit that that's why he's six for me. Right, physically,

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>he could be higher, but the effort, inconsistency, the lack

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>of production this last year, the lack of that like

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>elite elite bend are all red flag. Now he's twitched up,

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>he's juiced, he's going to run fast. He can run

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>fast to the football, He's got good length, So like

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I like him but again there are some questions, which

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is why he's not the third guy. He's the sixth

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>guy on this list.

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Logan, I'm going to be a little bit different than

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you with this, and it could just be because I

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>don't see things the way that you do, in the

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>technical ways you do. I think anybody from two to

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.239
<v Speaker 2>six here on the guys on your list, they're all

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of toss ups for me, and on any given week,

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>I could shuffle them around. Like quite honestly, he looks

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I just as I'm watching him, I immediately think, like

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Mike Green. The comparisons are there, right, and on any

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 2>given day, I could have James Pierce higher than Mike Green.

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Now that's I'm not a Mike Green a hater, but

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>there's just something where like he's getting a lot of

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 2>media hype, and then James Pearce is at here doing

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>things that Mike Green is doing, but he's doing it

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>at higher competition, like I'm seeing it. And I'll give

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you an example. This morning, I went back and watched

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.839
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of his tape with NC State where

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 2>he goes up against Anthony Belton, a guy we really like,

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:36.720
<v Speaker 2>and he would win, not just win with his finesse

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>moves night he won twice with a bull rush, and

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 2>so it's like, Okay, I've seen him do it right,

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Whereas like a Mike Green looks a little more athletic,

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>but I can't tell if it's because he plays with

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:54.879
<v Speaker 2>against lesser competition at Marshall or he's that much better

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 2>of an athlete. And it's gonna make me sound like

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 2>a Mike Green hater, and I guess I that's what

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 2>people can call me. It's not I'm not. I love

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Mike Green. Watching Mike Green is fun. Watching James Pearce

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>is fun. Like, I just think that we're now at

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>the point for me where if any of these guys

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that we're gonna list coming forward become commanders, I think

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 2>they can have day one effectiveness because we have a

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 2>good coaching staff here. We have guys like Ryan Carrigan

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>on this staff who you know very well, who is shoot,

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:34.359
<v Speaker 2>he's Washington's sack all time leader like and can teach

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 2>these guys how to improve their gant. So like, I

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>see a guy like James pears and I see the

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>limitations you're talking about, and I'm like, yeah, get them here,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>as them be a commander and I'm going to be

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>like this for all the guys moving forward, like there's

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 2>just they're kind of all bunched up and I love

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>them all.

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think the thing with James first junior,

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 1>it was the it was the down to down effort

0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that I was a little bit like, what's going on here? Right?

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Are you getting ready for the NFL draft? Like what's

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 1>going on? And this is where like having a meeting

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 1>with the guy would be really helpful because I do

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>think there are teams that'll have him higher than this

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>once they get the measurements and what they get like

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>all the GPS dad and all that stuff, and once

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you meet with him, like let's say the dude just

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>absolutely bleeds football, right, Like, I'm gonna take him way

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 1>higher because again, the physical tools there, but there were

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>questions just watching the film and it's not all the

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>time where you're like, man, like come on, like all

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the time, be like this, do this all the time.

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>And again like good football player twitched up if he's

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>a commander, like you're doing on a backflip or I

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>don't think he's gonna fall that far. I think he's

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:42.359
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna go the latest twenty five. But but yeah, man,

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>he's a good football player and juiced up special special athletes,

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>special rusher and I get again, given the right situation,

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I think could do some really devastating things.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.839
<v Speaker 2>And let's get into I mean, we know commanders, they

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 2>love dogs, right, and I think Dan Quinn says dog

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>ass competitors. The next guy on your list list is

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Michel Williams, And man, is this guy a dog, especially

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:09.320
<v Speaker 2>in the run game, and he has comic book length

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 2>and movement. Talk to me a little bit about him

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>and why he is number five on your list.

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's really why he's ahead of James Fears

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Junior is just because of that. Right, He's just big.

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>He's bigger and stronger and faster than maybe everybody on

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>this list despite outside of one person, Like he is

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>one of one. And he's really hard to kind of

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>quantify because I want him to play a stand up

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>defensive end or a six technique, But at Georgia they

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>got him play in a four eyes, so he's basically

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>playing like defensive tackle from a frog read stance, so

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>like it's not even a three point stance where I

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>can attack the line of scrimmage. I'm playing lateral into

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>double teams with tackles and tight ends, and I'm just

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>totally negating this player's athleticism. But when you watch a

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>cutup of it, go ahead, Well, I was.

0:37:57.840 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Going to jump in and say, I think why they

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 2>do that is because he is an incredible disruptor in

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>the stunt splitz and gap attacks. So I think Georgia

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, well, we're gonna put you here because you

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:13.720
<v Speaker 2>excel at this thing. And it's like, I don't know that.

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, like, I know you kind

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 2>of see that as like I don't want to say

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 2>a negative like you saw that and it's like, oh,

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I want to see something different. I saw that and

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my gosh, this guy can do anything.

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think for me, it's just like I

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>think they're mismanaging, Like I think he's probably operating at

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>like a seventy five percent on the interior. I want

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>to see him operating like when you see him on

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the edge, like be big and long and physical and fast,

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>like that's what I want to see. Like there and again,

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>he's playing a four eye like he'll rip inside, he'll

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 1>take on a block he does good stuff, right, but

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 1>like when you watch the highlights of him and the

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>cutups of him playing on the edge, like you're like,

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I want this guy here more. I want him to

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 1>set edges. I want him to two gap this. I

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>want him to again, you're not the most refined pass

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>rusher in the whole world, but I want him just

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>to uncork it and let it go. And again, that's

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 1>why he's this guy because I think he plays hard,

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.479
<v Speaker 1>he's physical in the run game, he's got the length,

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>he's got the size. The production is severely lacking. He

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>had an injury this year. Everyone was kind of hoping

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>he would be the next guy. And again, just from

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the measurement standpoint, the way he moves, he should be

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:16.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of a i'd say probably a top ten pick.

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>But we're talking about him here probably in the mid

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:24.240
<v Speaker 1>twenties to the high teens to the tens, maybe somewhere

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:27.839
<v Speaker 1>in there, like because he just wasn't super productive and

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of it's the scheme, a little bit,

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.240
<v Speaker 1>it's the usage. But and he's a little bit tight

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>like in the hips, so it's hard for him at

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>the four eye. But I think when he's linearly on

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>the edge moving forward like I think he could be devastating.

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 1>So this is a little bit of a projection pick.

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 1>But I like the other stuff about him enough. I

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>like the hand usage, I like the length, I like

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the physical snap to him. I like the movement skills,

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>like watching him run like receivers down and dropping a

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>coverage like there was a play versus I think it

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was versus Texas Texas where they motioned the third receiver

0:39:57.960 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>to the flat and he was in a three point

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>stat stands ahead to drop out and run with like

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 1>a receiver, and it looked like he was fine. He

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was totally comfortable doing that. So an interesting evaluation. Lot

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 1>is lacking in my opinion, just from like watching the

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 1>film because you don't get to see him do all

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:23.240
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. But physically, movement skills, mentality, it all seems

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to be there. I just wanted to see more.

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I get what you're saying. I would say that,

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 2>like you know, I'm a Penn State fan and one

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 2>of the things that drove me absolutely nuts was watching

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Micaeh Parsons at Penn State being a fan of him,

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>because they just mismanaged him and you could see it.

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 2>They had him as an outside linebacker that was playing

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.760
<v Speaker 2>that position kind of purely and very rarely pass rushed,

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 2>but when he did, it was like, oh my gosh,

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 2>why is this guy not a d end or at

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 2>least a stand up edge And for whatever reason, Penn

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.399
<v Speaker 2>State didn't want to do that, And I think he

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 2>no one knew what he was going to be coming

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 2>in because he wasn't utilized that way in college, so

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.240
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't really the foresight to see what Michael Parsons

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 2>could be. And I guess what you're saying here is like,

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>let's see if this is Michel Williams is I'm not

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>saying he's in the next Michael Parsons, but I'm saying, like,

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:21.439
<v Speaker 2>let's see if he really can play at that spot, right,

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>and let him go instead of moving them in other

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 2>positions that don't elevate him, right, Like people say all

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the time, and they're right, Like, great coaching is putting

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>your player in a position to be successful. So it's

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 2>finding out what their superpower is and letting them do that.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't limit that. I think you mentioned when you played

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>for Dan Quinn that was one of the great things

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 2>about him as a coach. He finds what your superpower

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>is and it's like, all right, let's harness that and

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>turn that up. And I think a guy like Michel Williams,

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 2>that's why I love him is I think I think

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>NFL coaches and especially year at the commanders are smart

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 2>enough to know that. And I honestly think if he

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>gets put with let's say he gets paired with a

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 2>talented pass rusher veteran on the other side, I mean that,

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a devastating combo. And I would I

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>would love to see him wearing a commander's uniform with

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Frankie Lulu, right, those two guys, Like, to me, that's

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.879
<v Speaker 2>a perfect pair. No, No, I understand, I understand. Yeah,

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's happening, but I just it'd be.

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>It's fun to dream, logan.

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>No, it is fun to dream. And I would have

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>put him. I probably would have put him above this

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>next guy. If the next guy. We talked about production

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 1>quite a bit, right, Like, he's very close to being

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the fourth or third defensive end. And it's crazy to

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>say that because his production was so limited at Georgia,

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 1>But dude, he's he's just a special mover and he's

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:53.839
<v Speaker 1>big as hell, So it's like, you know, it's just

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.399
<v Speaker 1>like God, like, what could this guy be? But yeah,

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the next guy on the list is one that I

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>think is kind of maybe the opposite of this, and

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Nick s Gordon from Texas A and M. And he's

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Wor's number eleven. He's I think he's six three. He's

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 1>two eighty right, looks a little bit heavy on film,

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>but plays the game incredibly hard, plays the four eye,

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>plays the end, has a lot more pass rush kind

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of nuance. He's got the double wiper, he's got the

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:23.399
<v Speaker 1>good bull, he can spin inside. And when you watch

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the stuff of him at Penn State, which is where

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 1>it was the year before, you see tremendous burst and

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>juice and just getting after it. And here at A

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and M not quite as much. But the thing that

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 1>made me confident in putting him at number four is

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>that he just plays hard as hell. So he's a

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.839
<v Speaker 1>guy that loves ball. He's physicals all outdoors, he's gonna

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>he's got the pass rush kind of bag of tricks

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to make him effective at the next level. I worry

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.839
<v Speaker 1>about his general athleticism. So when we get to the combine,

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious to see, like how do you run?

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 1>How's your forty? Like what do the drills look like?

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, like how do you up when Mikel Williams

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>is out there like like a safety Like probably not

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>going to look as good, but do you look at

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>least serviceable for a defensive end. But I really liked

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the player. I liked him a lot at Purdue. Liked

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 1>him a lot at Purdue, felt a little bit off

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.760
<v Speaker 1>at at t X and m hopefully he just gained

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>a couple pounds, you know, enjoyed the cafeteria a little

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>bit too much in Texas, but in terms of mindset

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>like it, in terms of past rush moves like it.

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Just wonder about overall athleticism.

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>That barbecue is good down there in Texas. And I

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.919
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say the same thing I'm this is of

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 2>this entire edge rush class is the one I'm most

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>excited to see at the combine, just to see how

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>he tests, because I wrote down that is he slow?

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and like I don't know about his

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>burst either, So I'd love to see in his forty

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 2>that ten yard split, Like I'm just curious as to

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.839
<v Speaker 2>what it is because he has really great things. And

0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like just his speed just seems to be a

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 2>little bit off. But he has great things. I mean

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:09.880
<v Speaker 2>he's dense, balanced, big motor, strong push like you're saying

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 2>he for as big as he is, he's got really

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 2>nice as we called him earlier, those finesse moves like

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>the spins and the chops for his size. And I mean, yeah,

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>he had ten sacks in twenty twenty three, only five

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 2>this year. I'm curious as to why that dropped, and

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>it could just be the Texas barbecue. But I think

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 2>he's a good player. Again, we go back to it.

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I think he's a good player. I know, like I

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 2>just said, is he slow? That's all relative, Like is

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.359
<v Speaker 2>he slow compared to these guys We're about to talk

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:44.279
<v Speaker 2>about Mike Green here soon, Like Mike Mike Green's going

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 2>to be a freak at the combine. So it's like,

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>is he slow? Is like that's a I just want

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 2>people to understand I'm not calling the dude slow. If

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 2>I ever meet him in person, I don't want him

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to ever think that I was like, hey man, you're slow.

0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 2>That's not what I mean. I mean for this class, right,

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 2>because he is he's a very good player.

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Well especially can change like compared to like James Pearce

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>or Mike Green or you know Shamar Stewart who goes

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Abdual Carter, Like those guys are really twitchy, really bursty,

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, in a different way. And again there's a

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>savviness and a physicality to him that you know, makes

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>me feel good about him. I feel like he's a

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 1>high floor player. And again, if he runs bad, if

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.360
<v Speaker 1>he runs like a five to one, he's probably playing

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>three techniques. He's not going to be on the younger

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>as an edge rusher. But again, the physicality, the production

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>that kind of powerish your profile with the other stuff

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>in terms of finesse moves off of it makes you

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>feel really good about him long term in the NFL.

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna, okay, Logan, go with me on this. I'm

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 2>going to veer off path, but I promise I'll bring

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 2>it back. What what do you think the how many

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.239
<v Speaker 2>of these guys do you think are going to go

0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.479
<v Speaker 2>in like the top fifteen of this draft? A number?

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't don't list the guys you think will go How

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 2>many edge rushers from this class you think will be

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 2>top fifteen this year. Okay, so we're now leading into

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:18.439
<v Speaker 2>your top three here, so you have Mike Green as

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 2>your three. I would say that the general consensus is

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 2>that Mike Green is easily a top fifteen pick. But

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you just said without saying it, Mike Green's maybe not

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 2>a top fifteen pick for you. Why are you a

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Mike Green hater? Logan explain yourself.

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Mike Green hater. That's strong man. So Mike Green, let

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 1>me just say this before we get started about my

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Mike Green hate. That is so fun to watch on

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>film because he plays with the I'm gonna say again,

0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the urgency, the recklessness, the passion for the game. Right

0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to make every single tackle. You watch him

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>versus Ohio State, right those that's a that's a big school,

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously. And in the first half, man, he's

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, chopping, he's ripping, he's spinning, he's running, he's

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.839
<v Speaker 1>making pursuit tackles, he's physical on tight ends. It's all

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the stuff you want to see. I think the one

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 1>thing that sticks out to me is the level of

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.399
<v Speaker 1>confet outside the Ohuse State game. You know, he went

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>to Marshall and they're playing offensive linemen that are not

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 1>very good, and he looks like an absolute superhero on film,

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.959
<v Speaker 1>like absolute superhero. And then you get to the Senior

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Bowl and everyone's talking about the Senior Bowl as an

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 1>opportunity for him to show how dynamic he is, how

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 1>twitched up he is, how you know, explosive he is.

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And he came and he showed a lot of that stuff.

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:44.920
<v Speaker 1>But then you go back and I charted all the

0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>one on ones, right, char on ones, he had four

0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to one on ones. Okay, one of them was versus Connorley,

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>right that everyone on there and the whole internet saw, right,

0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 1>they saw Connorley just get absolutely blown up, and everyone's like,

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 1>this is it. He's a right if he's showing what

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>he got to do. He has another rep versus connor

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Lee where he gets washed totally flat and doesn't look

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>like he's even trying, and connor Ley is so unstressed.

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Right then, Jalen Travis from Iowa State, he's big fellas

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven long arms three sixty five are three forty

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 1>five excuse me, forty five forty five inch thirty five

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 1>inch arms, excuse me, does a great job and just

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 1>locks him up like kicks to the spot, locks him up,

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 1>He tries to spend, mirrors him Anthony Belton, our guy

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.320
<v Speaker 1>who he just talked about how James s Pears Junior

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>gave him fits when he was at Tennessee, locks him up,

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 1>just sits in him, tries to mirror inside. Belton jumps down,

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:39.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of hops to stop and would win the rep.

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 1>So of his four reps at the Senior Bowl, I

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.239
<v Speaker 1>would say three of them were definitive losses and one

0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of them was a big win. So everyone talks about

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.799
<v Speaker 1>him kind of shooting up boards, and the only reason

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:52.840
<v Speaker 1>he should be shooting up boards, in my opinion, is

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 1>because of how awesome his tape is. He's got amazing tape.

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 1>He's got some of the best tape in this entire class.

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>He can beat you, however, he wants spin inside outside,

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>swipes inside outside, dip and rip inside outside. He got

0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.360
<v Speaker 1>vertical juice. The one thing I am concerned about is

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 1>when you watch him again versus Ohio State, He's going

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 1>up against Josh Shimmins, who again we talked about as

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>one of the best tackles in this class. Josh Shimmins

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>looks like he's taking a nap. In pass protection with

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this guy right kicks to the spot, smears, locks him down,

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and he does it three or four times in the game. Now,

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 1>the right tackle number seventy for Ole State has a

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.359
<v Speaker 1>hard time with the speed. But like, how are you

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.319
<v Speaker 1>versus top flight talent? Right? I don't have a lot

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>of questions about mikel Williams. I don't have a lot

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.719
<v Speaker 1>of questions about James. Like the question about James Pears

0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Junior is consistent effort, right. The question about Michael Williams

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>is usage right, nix Sorrenton. I know that he can

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>beat top flight pass protectors, right, Mike Green, I believe

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 1>it because again your film is off the chain, but

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you have not shown me yet. And that's the thing

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.479
<v Speaker 1>that gets me a little bit concerned about Mike Green

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.319
<v Speaker 1>and why I would say for me that he's maybe

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>not a top fifteen pick.

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Logan, Mike Green is Bruce Lee. He's fast, quick, athletic

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 2>as anyone you'll ever see. He's maybe undersized, right, he

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:18.360
<v Speaker 2>don't care right, Like he's his hands are quick and fast.

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.279
<v Speaker 2>He's doing things that I haven't seen in a long

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>time from a guy at his position. High motor, but

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing, right, what happens when Bruce Lee runs

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 2>into Cliff Booth If anybody's ever seen Once upon a

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Time in Hollywood, Now, maybe Once upon a Time in

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood is a work of fiction, and that confrontation Cliff

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Booth isn't real, and that depiction of Bruce Lee never happened.

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 2>But what if it did? And that's my concern with

0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Mike Lee, right Like, I want Bruce Lee on my team.

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I love Bruceley. I'm a big enter the Dragon fan,

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 2>loved watching it growing up, love everything about Bruce Lee.

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Honestly think he could whip a lot of people's asses,

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.399
<v Speaker 2>right Like, I didn't think it was just show, right,

0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Lee was good. Yeah, But what happens when you

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>meet somebody who's bigger, stronger, and doesn't care about the

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 2>rules of mixed martial arts or karate and just kung fu.

0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna take a barstool right like and fight you dirty,

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>right which these big dudes, I'm not saying they're dirty,

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.280
<v Speaker 2>but I'm saying, like Josh Simmons, he's a big dude

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't care about your quick hands. He's just going

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:33.320
<v Speaker 2>to put his big mits on you. And say good luck. Now,

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I think Mike Green is going to have a successful career.

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And I think Mike Green's gonna have a

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.560
<v Speaker 2>successful career. But you told me about the Senior Bowl thing.

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I bought into the hype of Mike Green blowing up

0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Connolly on that play, and I want our fans if

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 2>you don't believe logan right, there is YouTube clips of

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.720
<v Speaker 2>every one on one for Mike Green. You can search

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Mike Green Senior Bowl and you will get every single

0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>one on one. Go watch it and see for yourself,

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 2>because he has that big play, But there's also other

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 2>ones where it's like, eh, okay. So that's my concern.

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's my only concern. But I think he's

0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Lee and I would love Bruce Lye on my team,

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 2>And I honestly think that he also can grow into

0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 2>these things, right, he can learn how to use these things,

0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>these excellent moves. He has to be effective against bigger,

0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 2>stronger guys and higher level competition. So the only reason

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I maybe sound like a Mike Green hater at the

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>end of the day is because I just don't think

0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:39.480
<v Speaker 2>that the national media and what they're saying about him

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 2>like top fifteen, he's ready to go. I think he's

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.759
<v Speaker 2>still developmental. He has a lot of tools in the

0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 2>finesse department, but I still think he's developmental. And you

0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:51.360
<v Speaker 2>have to understand if you're picking an edge rusher in

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:54.280
<v Speaker 2>the top fifteen, top ten. Even I've seen some guys

0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:56.200
<v Speaker 2>have him go in the top ten and mock drafts

0:53:56.239 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 2>like that's a that's a that's a lottery ticket, and

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you got to be careful, right, it's about value and

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.840
<v Speaker 2>as you say, risk assessment assessment right, and risk is

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 2>a version right, Like that's my thing with Mike Green.

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I still think he may be the number two, number three,

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.239
<v Speaker 2>number four, number five best pass rusher. I don't know

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 2>what vari stays today, but I wouldn't sit back and say, oh,

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 2>he had a great play at the Senior Bowl and

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.839
<v Speaker 2>he dominated at Marshall. So here's our number two guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's he's our third guy because his film

0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 1>is that good. I mean, it's it's incredible, man like,

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:34.360
<v Speaker 1>he's he's an absolute Yeah, he's an absolute maniac. Like

0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 1>running down screens, he's fitting runs, he's killing guards, he's

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>getting quarterbacks like play action, pass his shot and shed stuff.

0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:44.479
<v Speaker 1>Is great, but you know, he has thirty two inch arms,

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:46.240
<v Speaker 1>which is a little bit short for a pass rusher.

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.919
<v Speaker 1>He's sixty three, he's two fifty, So again, the lack

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of ideal length is something that's a little bit concerning.

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, the film is, the film speaks for herself.

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:58.080
<v Speaker 1>It's just versus top flight guys. How are you going

0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.160
<v Speaker 1>to look? And I think the other two guys in

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the list just did better versus top flight competition, quite honestly.

0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.400
<v Speaker 2>And let's talk about him. Let's do your number two,

0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 2>which is Shamar Stewart the other end at Texas A

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:10.719
<v Speaker 2>and M.

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean he was a guy that I first

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 1>watched before the Senior Bowl and I was like, man,

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.040
<v Speaker 1>he's built in a lab. You know, he's six '

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>five and an eighth. He's two hundred and eighty two pounds,

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, and he's got thirty four thirty

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.080
<v Speaker 1>three and three force arms like he is a and

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 1>he's built different, like he's jacked. And when you watch him,

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:39.040
<v Speaker 1>like he's big, he's got elite power, elite frame. He

0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>plays hard, like there was a play versus Mississippi State

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.719
<v Speaker 1>where the running back gets or they hit like a

0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.160
<v Speaker 1>little shallow cross and it's going up the field. He

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>from the defensive end spot after rushing the path, runs

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the receiver down and makes the tackle forty yards away.

0:55:53.280 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 1>He comes out of the stack. On screens, he's you know,

0:55:56.760 --> 0:56:00.799
<v Speaker 1>blowing up stuff in the run game. And then at

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the Senior Bowl, man, he just looked physically dominant amongst

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:07.440
<v Speaker 1>some of you know, Emery Jones my tenth tackle on

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the list, a guy that I really like. He made

0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>him look like he wasn't even on the field, right,

0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Like he just big, strong, physical everything you want, mentality

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:20.600
<v Speaker 1>is right, frames right. The one thing that really sticks

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:23.360
<v Speaker 1>out is there's a lack of technical development as a

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.960
<v Speaker 1>pass rusher. And how many secks did you have last year,

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Jason One?

0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's it's shocking one sack.

0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 1>So that's something again we talk about it on this

0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:42.239
<v Speaker 1>show all the time, athlete effort and production, and so

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.239
<v Speaker 1>the athlete and the effort are there. Like I love

0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.480
<v Speaker 1>his vibe. Like at the Senior Bowl he has this

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>rep versu Emory Jones where he beats him off the edge,

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 1>knocks the ball of the quarterback's hand, like yells to

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the crowd like like I'm him all this stuff going

0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:00.680
<v Speaker 1>crazy and like that. I like, I love that about him.

0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 1>But the production it just wasn't there to match the frame.

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.359
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's I'm betting on the fact that

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:11.640
<v Speaker 1>that's a outlier not the rule. But yeah, man, love him,

0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 1>love the tape, love the effort just to productions that

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:14.839
<v Speaker 1>all the way there.

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was technically one and a half sack.

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing, though, his tackles went up pretty

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:26.240
<v Speaker 2>pretty significantly, Like he had thirty one total tackles as

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:30.680
<v Speaker 2>compared to eleven year before. Like, I think that he

0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:34.720
<v Speaker 2>showed improvement in run stopping, and I think he's an

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 2>a plus run stopper. I think he has a good

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 2>ability to shed off and chase down a play. And

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 2>that is interesting because I look at some guys and

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like, Okay, the pass rush, that's kind of what

0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 2>we care about all the time, especially at the top end,

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:51.200
<v Speaker 2>or it seems like that's what we care about all

0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:53.240
<v Speaker 2>the time. But this dude, this dude can stop the

0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 2>run like he can go. He's not just going to

0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 2>be well, you're just a pass rush specialist. Some of

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:00.960
<v Speaker 2>these guys on the list may be that when they

0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.439
<v Speaker 2>first come out, but it looks like he can be

0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.560
<v Speaker 2>an every down player. To me, he looks like an

0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 2>absolute monster in the run game.

0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 1>No, I think that's exactly right. And he and he,

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 1>they him and him in scord and they kind of

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 1>move all around the front three technique five, technique four

0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I defensive end, stand up rusher like they do it

0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:23.000
<v Speaker 1>all so but again, like he just is physically what

0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you want at the position. He plays it with the

0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 1>right mentality. Like you know, we talked about Femi all

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the day Joe from UCLA. Like, imagine Femi old day

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Joe if he was two inches taller, thirty pounds heavier,

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and just like that's how he plays. And I love it.

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.000
<v Speaker 1>And to me, he's one of my favorite players, if

0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 1>not my favorite player in the draft. And again, the

0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 1>lack of production is a little bit alarming, but I'm

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:47.480
<v Speaker 1>hoping that you get him with the right coach and

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 1>you get him in the right situation and he figures

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:51.439
<v Speaker 1>it out.

0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Logan, it's time for the number one. I think this

0:58:55.880 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 2>is relatively consensus at this point amongst most people that

0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:06.440
<v Speaker 2>cover the draft, and I want you to compliment Sandwich.

0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:10.200
<v Speaker 2>You're number one. Tell me why he's great. Why is

0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 2>the consensus? Why everyone's seen the same thing? Tell me,

0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:17.440
<v Speaker 2>like he is he like an absolute sure thing because

0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 2>you could go number two overall, there's some k mocks

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:21.280
<v Speaker 2>that have on that is going an absolute share thing.

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And then if he's not, why and then end it

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 2>with but man, the team that gets him and maybe

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:30.919
<v Speaker 2>it's the Commanders. You never know. I can dream being

0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 2>a Penn State guy, like why we would love him

0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 2>when a team like this? So go go.

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Ahead, Yeah, so I think you're looking. And we just

0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:40.959
<v Speaker 1>talked about all these different guys and the past rush

0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 1>ability and the size and the strength and how they

0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:47.480
<v Speaker 1>play and all those different things. Abdu Carter has the

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 1>best get off I have ever seen drafting, like watching

0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:57.360
<v Speaker 1>defensive ends. His twitch, his burst, is explosiveness is absolutely

0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:00.120
<v Speaker 1>game changing from a past rush standpoint, like, he's not

1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.600
<v Speaker 1>not even that refined as a pass rusher, it doesn't matter.

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.040
<v Speaker 1>His ability to anticipate and explode out of his stance

1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.720
<v Speaker 1>puts the tackle under pressure. Every single play he literally

1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:12.400
<v Speaker 1>end up in a pass rushing situation. Not being a

1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:15.360
<v Speaker 1>good pass rusher affects passes every He watched the Notre

1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Dame game the first ten dropbacks, he's getting pressures like

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<v Speaker 1>I would classify them as a pressure on the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>He's injured in that game too, he's playing hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>His shoulders jacked up right, Yeah, and then his ability

1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 1>to drop into space, cover grass, open his hips like

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<v Speaker 1>he is incredibly unique as an athlete, like he can again,

1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:41.960
<v Speaker 1>not a huge library of pass rush moves, but it

1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:45.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even matter, Like you are, he is physically better

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<v Speaker 1>than everybody else in this draft class from a get

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<v Speaker 1>off speed standpoint, Like it's not even close, Like not

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<v Speaker 1>even close. And I don't know what it is. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's how he anticipates the snap clown or if it's

1:00:55.920 --> 1:00:58.400
<v Speaker 1>just like he's physically wired to do that. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a special, special spell show football player. The negative thing

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<v Speaker 1>about him, I think his frame is a little bit slight.

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<v Speaker 1>He does not have a full myriad of pass rush moves.

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<v Speaker 1>He's only he's new to the position, so he's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit raw, a little bit reckless at times with

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<v Speaker 1>his shoulders, specifically in terms of how he takes on

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<v Speaker 1>blocks and moves around. So I think that's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>negative element to him. But dude, if by some like

1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:25.960
<v Speaker 1>crazy circumstance, he ended up a Washington commander and he

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<v Speaker 1>was I don't know, like you traded up for him

1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:31.560
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Like he is incredibly unique. He

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<v Speaker 1>wears number eleven. He reminds me of Michael Parsons, that

1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.600
<v Speaker 1>same type of burst. He doesn't have that same strength necessarily,

1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:43.040
<v Speaker 1>but his burst is incredible, Like it's incredible. So that's

1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:43.760
<v Speaker 1>why he's number one.

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<v Speaker 2>I just why why isn't he perfect? Is he perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I just said he's a little undersized, a little

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<v Speaker 1>undersized little bit with his body, doesn't have a doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a full you know, a library of pass rush

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<v Speaker 1>moves because he relies so much on his get off

1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of his explosiveness. But man like he is like he was.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're saying things that feel like other than size.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying these are things that it's like, oh, well,

1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:09.080
<v Speaker 2>he's it doesn't have all these things yet, but it

1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:11.400
<v Speaker 2>seems like those are things he could learn and grow

1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:14.600
<v Speaker 2>into and he's just kind of scratched a surface. Are

1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you saying that that's what makes him so special and unique?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that even these negatives that you're seeing or not negatives,

1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.920
<v Speaker 2>but like, eh, like that that kind of thing that

1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:25.600
<v Speaker 2>you've seen of them are like, oh, but that it's

1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:26.880
<v Speaker 2>just that could go away.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just when you see a guy who can do

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<v Speaker 1>what he does from a get off movement standpoint, like

1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:38.760
<v Speaker 1>he's just he's he's starting a race five yards ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of everybody else, and it doesn't matter how efficient you are,

1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:44.640
<v Speaker 1>necessarily right, Like, there's a couple of times where you

1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:46.880
<v Speaker 1>know he's playing this tackle from college, the tackle gets

1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a good position, but he's able to kind of just

1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:51.919
<v Speaker 1>pull himself around run the edge, like just straight run

1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:55.640
<v Speaker 1>around it, get a sack. So to me, the developmental

1:02:55.680 --> 1:02:58.240
<v Speaker 1>element of his game is almost a positive because he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to learn more, he's going to get better. But

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<v Speaker 1>the frame is a little concerning because again he's got

1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder injury. But again I think that shows competitive toughness.

1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:08.400
<v Speaker 1>He plays through that injury. The whole game affects the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said number two, I think he's a number

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's the first pick in the draft. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the best player on my board right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So like even with Travis Hunter out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely interesting. Yeah, his ability to affect

1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the game every single play is right at the forefront.

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<v Speaker 1>And you look at what an elite pass rusher can

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<v Speaker 1>do for a defense. Go no further than Michael Parsons

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<v Speaker 1>or Miles Garrett. And that's kind of the same sphere

1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:37.800
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about with this player. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>how if you're Tennessee unless you're going quarterback, how you

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<v Speaker 1>don't take Abdull Carter at number one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I love hearing this Being a Penn

1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:50.200
<v Speaker 2>State fan. I'm going to try and remove my confirmation

1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:52.480
<v Speaker 2>bias as a Penn Safe fan watching him, wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>think he's the greatest pass rusher I've ever seen in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. The things that I could see if they

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<v Speaker 2>were negative, if I could find him, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking back to like just what I noticed when watching

1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:07.520
<v Speaker 2>as a fan, Like I'd be like, ah, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>always see what the blocking scheme is that's in front

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<v Speaker 2>of him. He's a tiny bit slow sometimes in dissecting

1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:18.439
<v Speaker 2>what the play is that's happening in front of him,

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<v Speaker 2>and bull rushes are hid and mess for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't win them immediately, he'll slow down and go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just wait for something to develop in front of

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<v Speaker 2>me and then attack that. Now, that attack that is

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<v Speaker 2>this is the best athlete that Penn State has seen

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<v Speaker 2>in a long time, right, Like, I love watching him play.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love it. And I think he is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a I think immediately, he is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an impact player for a team immediately. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things where like his frame that you're

1:04:57.240 --> 1:05:01.680
<v Speaker 2>talking about, like and we talked about it with and Green, right, Like,

1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.280
<v Speaker 2>there are guys that when you have this sort of

1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:10.479
<v Speaker 2>upper echelon athleticism, it doesn't always matter. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to think of like Will Anderson, right, smaller frame guy

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<v Speaker 2>but just didn't matter, doesn't matter, And like some guys

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<v Speaker 2>are just that elite with their athleticism and their twitchiness

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<v Speaker 2>and what they can do physically, and then when they

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<v Speaker 2>start polishing up the techniques, it's just devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely, And so yeah, he's a number one player

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<v Speaker 1>on my board as of right now, and I'm going

1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:37.240
<v Speaker 1>to watch more Travis Hunter, but right now, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, and there's a reason because he's crazy explosive,

1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:43.000
<v Speaker 1>he's crazy twitchy, he's crazy competitive, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>sky's a little bit for him from an athletic standpoint. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>interview's got to go well, all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he's a special football player.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, here we go for the nerds. It's that

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<v Speaker 2>time again. We're going to do this every time we

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<v Speaker 2>do top tens or top whatever at every position. I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to give me two words describe players. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about some extras, some pass rushers that

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<v Speaker 2>you watched, and it's like, just keep an eye on them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to be later round guys. They're maybe not eleven, twelve, thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen to fifteen on your list, or just guys that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stood out. Maybe they're third round guys, fourth

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<v Speaker 2>round guys, fifth round guys. Maybe they're even seventh or

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<v Speaker 2>undrafted free agents at some point. But it's like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, there's just something about them. I saw a trait,

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<v Speaker 2>two traits that raise an eyebrow for me. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to start. You have on your list here Jared

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<v Speaker 2>Ivy from Old Miss.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that Ole Miss defensive line was pretty incredible with

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<v Speaker 1>prince Ly o'maniela right, also from Old Miss. He's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>He's six six, he's two eighty five, he's got thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three and a quarter in charms, Like big dude, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of again great in the run game, great instincts, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit sluggish, but has like this nice basketball kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lazy guy, old man fluidity where he's able to

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<v Speaker 1>get by pass rushers yet or pass protector of the

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<v Speaker 1>eight sacks last year inside outside really impressed them at

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<v Speaker 1>the senior bawl like this college tape. A lot worry

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<v Speaker 1>about the work ethic and the drive, but man, is

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<v Speaker 1>he physically Is he impressive? And I think he could

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<v Speaker 1>be a really positive impact inside or outside for a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of different teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey a guy that has a variety of pass rush

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<v Speaker 2>moves and is twitched up at least I thought, is

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan as Araku from moist in College? Tell me about him?

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<v Speaker 1>To Donovan as Araku, I really wanted badly to get

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<v Speaker 1>him in this list. But again, great length, thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>inch arms, he's sixty two, a little undersize, but great bend,

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<v Speaker 1>great physicality. There are times where I think he gets

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<v Speaker 1>eaten up by larger pass rush, by larger pass protectors,

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<v Speaker 1>and I worry about him in the run game, But dude,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got the juice man, and I think you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>him in a lot of people's top one hundred, Top

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<v Speaker 1>probably seventy five type player in my opinion. So for me,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be the eleventh guy, tenth or eleventh guy

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<v Speaker 1>on my list. Like, I really went back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Love his ability to play like that spinner

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like rushing over the nose, rushing over a guard.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a great feel for a pass rush. Worry a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. But the reason he didn't make my list

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<v Speaker 1>about his top end closing speed. I think he can

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<v Speaker 1>win as a rusher, but I'm not sure if he

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<v Speaker 1>can close to a more athletic quarterback, but great football player.

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<v Speaker 1>Size concerns, closing speed concerns, But as a rusher man,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get much better than him.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, logan from Ohio State is Jack Sawyer, And to me,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a what you see is what you get kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a guy, very savvy. Tell me what you saw

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<v Speaker 2>from him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jack Sawyer. I've seen a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>him as the top forty player and I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it. So, Like, he plays really hard, he's physical,

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<v Speaker 1>he's instinctive, all those different things, but it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he's got short arms and it looks like like he

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<v Speaker 1>lacks top flight athleticism. So for me, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't under I don't really understand like where the

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<v Speaker 1>value is. Again, he plays hard, but I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>guys that we've talked about who play harder. Like he's

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<v Speaker 1>got good instincts, but I think there's guys that are

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<v Speaker 1>more instinctive, and sometimes I think guys get caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in drafting the helmet a little bit. And you see

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<v Speaker 1>the big play that he had the National Championship with

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<v Speaker 1>the interception, and he's a guy to me that I

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<v Speaker 1>think will go very high because the consensus seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be very high in him. But maybe I got to

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<v Speaker 1>watch more film. So if you're a Jack Sawyer fan,

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<v Speaker 1>leave a comment, tell me why I'm wrong. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that I'm a little on the fence about

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't understand why he's getting all this like

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<v Speaker 1>top forty five buzz and.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about this every time. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>it in the podcast at some point, but you mentioned like,

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<v Speaker 2>because you can't change it, right, you either got long

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<v Speaker 2>arms or you got short arms. And you're saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like he's got some short arms. Why does

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<v Speaker 2>that matter?

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<v Speaker 1>It matters because it like these past protectors are huge man.

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<v Speaker 1>They've you know, the minimum threshold's like thirty three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half inch arms, and so these big dudes, these

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<v Speaker 1>heavy guys, especially in the NFL, who are good athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>better athletes, and you can reach out and touch you

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<v Speaker 1>before you can touch them, like they're going to eat

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<v Speaker 1>you up. They'll mess around, man. So I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I saw like enough elevation, like like we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, you know, James Pearce Junior, Michael Williams, you

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<v Speaker 1>know Landon Jackson, any of these guys Ola deejo Oli,

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<v Speaker 1>like there was a they're at a level now, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have the physical traits to keep developing. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just worry that Jack Sawyer is kind of maxed out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because he doesn't look like his longest arms.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the greatest athlete in the world, and most people

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<v Speaker 1>who talk to will acknowledge that they're banking on the

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<v Speaker 1>foot ball like you to get them. To me, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big lift to him for him to take that

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<v Speaker 1>next step at the NFL level.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we only have a couple more next up.

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<v Speaker 2>As Jordan Birch from Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the most frustrating watch for me of anybody

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<v Speaker 1>in this group. He is maybe the most physically gifted

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<v Speaker 1>guy on this list. He's listed at six ' six

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and eighty five two hundred ninety five pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Depending on where you watch him, there are times where

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<v Speaker 1>you see him play with elite power, like knocking people

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<v Speaker 1>on their asses, like totally smoking offensive lineman, compressing the pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>taking on blockers and pullers, and see him dropping into

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<v Speaker 1>space like a dB. However, the effort is not consistent.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I called someone at Oregon and it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the deal with him? It's like when he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be he is any in any situation. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>most athletic, best football player on the field, five star recruit,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks to me like every he has just

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<v Speaker 1>been the best player his entire life. He hasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>cultivated a myriad of pass rush moves like he plays

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<v Speaker 1>inside outside. He's a bigger body guy obviously, but for me,

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<v Speaker 1>like the athleticism, the physicality, it's there. It's just the

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<v Speaker 1>consistency and the passion and the want to so like

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw a list today where he's a he's

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<v Speaker 1>a top fifty player, and I get why, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also like he seems like a guy that could get

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<v Speaker 1>you fired, right because he is so talented, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to give it everything he's got all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just feel like I had to bring

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<v Speaker 1>him up because again, the measurables, the athleticism, the movement

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<v Speaker 1>skills are all there, but just a frustrating because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't see it all the time, and you're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't you do this you're physically capable of doing

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Why don't we see it more?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So here's just what I saw. He looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a souped up F one fifty, right, He's just he's explosive,

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<v Speaker 2>but every now and then, like it seems like his

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<v Speaker 2>gas is on empty, Like that's what it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>to me. Like it's just here's this big soup up

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<v Speaker 2>F one fifty that rolls up and it's like got

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<v Speaker 2>a four cylinder engine in it when you pop the hood.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why that is. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to say it's effort or not. I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 2>there are times where like he he gets tossed around.

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<v Speaker 2>You see it. Why you're huge, right, he doesn't play

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<v Speaker 2>the run game. Well, why you're explosive, Like I there's

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<v Speaker 2>something off. I don't I'm not gonna say it's effort

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't know, but I will say that there

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<v Speaker 2>is something there that I think that interviews and the

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<v Speaker 2>combine is going to be absolutely critical for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I totally agree. I think that. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>f one fifty example is crazy. It's all there, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks great, but it's like, bro, why not all the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was watching the Him versus Ohio State and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like he's blowing people up, and you're like, he

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<v Speaker 1>has a sequence where he's a sequence where he's atographer

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<v Speaker 1>loss a sack and pressure and basically forces a punt

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<v Speaker 1>and then doesn't do anything for the rest of the half,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're kind of like why why not? Like why

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<v Speaker 1>are we not doing that? More so, it's He's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting watch, but physically a freak from Morgan.

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<v Speaker 2>The next one is from Texas, Baron Sorel. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing that right b A R R Y N

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<v Speaker 2>Baron bar Run. Maybe the Baron Sorrel from Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so a guy that is not exceptional in any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of physical measurement. He's six four, he's two fifty five,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of right down the middle. But a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>is just a good football player. Man. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>really stood out to the Senior Bowl, went and watched

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<v Speaker 1>his tape. Has kind of a bunch of different ways

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<v Speaker 1>to beat you understands pass, rushing out a high level,

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<v Speaker 1>plays hard, good physicality. Again, he's not a name that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna like, you know, he's not Jordan Birch. Where he

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<v Speaker 1>comes off the bus, You're like, oh my god, look

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<v Speaker 1>at this guy. He's just a solid, good football player.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are there are his tremendous value to those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>especially you know, third fourth round range for the commanders,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'd be stoked if he was a Washington commander.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of stoked, if guys could be a Washington commander.

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<v Speaker 2>The last one is Savion Jones from LSU Logan. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to say this. I enjoyed watching him because he's big,

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<v Speaker 2>and he loves violent contact and even he wants it right,

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<v Speaker 2>he invites it. That's why I love it. So tell

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit about Savion Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we see it exactly the same way. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a big, violent human. He runs and finishes to

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<v Speaker 1>the football and the floor to that player is tremendously high.

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<v Speaker 1>Right he just you can tell he likes football, he

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<v Speaker 1>likes contact. He's violent, he's relatively intuitive. He's stiff. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a stiff human being. Like he's big. He's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got like this, you know, like lurch type of running style,

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<v Speaker 1>but likes he gets to where he's got to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he watched a Senior Bowl game, he's running running

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<v Speaker 1>backs down from behind. He gets a sack and a

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<v Speaker 1>half because he's just finishing to the football like the Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>A player like that is big. He could probably play inside,

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<v Speaker 1>play outside. But I really liked him at the Senior Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked his tape because it's exactly the same player

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<v Speaker 1>that you saw at the Senior Bowl. And so again,

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<v Speaker 1>high floor, high effort player that again may never be

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<v Speaker 1>your top flight pass rusher the way that some of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are, but there's no question that he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>a first and second down rotational piece minimum In the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Logan, we did it. We talked about a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>edge rushers. This is a great class. I love the

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<v Speaker 2>depth of it. Like I said, there's Abdul Carter and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple guys at the top. That's Abdul Carter

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<v Speaker 2>is a blue tripper. There's a couple guys at the

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<v Speaker 2>top that are going to be very good pros. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm super excited about the edge rushers, watching them

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<v Speaker 2>at the combine and moving through this process, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have a sneaking suspicion that at somewhere in the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be a position that the Commanders

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<v Speaker 2>are targeting. So I think one of the guys we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about or that we were going to be watching

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<v Speaker 2>in the next couple of months is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a commander. And I can't wait, because this is a

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<v Speaker 2>good class. This is a good class.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great class. Maybe the peak, you know, outside

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<v Speaker 1>the two guys you know, should we Stuart and Abdell Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think there's a lot of good football players

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people are going to impact your

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<v Speaker 1>team right now. And yeah, so I definitely think this

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<v Speaker 1>is somewhere where the Washington Commanders could get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of really good value.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey fans, we love your comments, we do, we really

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<v Speaker 2>love them. Tell us who you want to us to

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<v Speaker 2>evaluate next, what position? Tell us what you thought of

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<v Speaker 2>our takes if you like them, if you don't like them,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a guy. So if you say my takes

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<v Speaker 2>are terrible, you're probably right. I don't know what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. I'm just watching football. But if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to get on Logan, I'm sure Logan would love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what your opinions are. Logan, you're excellent at this.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way. I love listening to you and doing

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<v Speaker 2>these shows with you because I learn a lot. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that I said with my just

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<v Speaker 2>a guy whateverisms is I said, there was a guy

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<v Speaker 2>last week in O line who stares at his assignments,

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<v Speaker 2>and we got a good comment about that and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>that may be an easy fix. So Garon missing Berg said,

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<v Speaker 2>for a player that has a problem with staring at assignments,

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<v Speaker 2>why couldn't you just throw a dark visor on and

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<v Speaker 2>now you're not watching his eyes anymore, And that could

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<v Speaker 2>be a solution to a problem. And I texted you

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<v Speaker 2>about that and I was like, actually, that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>creative solution. I'm not mad at it. So Logan, you

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<v Speaker 2>played in the NFL for ten years. You were a

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<v Speaker 2>tight end, so you had to get up there with

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<v Speaker 2>the big uglies and block some guys. Could you've just

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<v Speaker 2>thrown on a dark visor and still stared down assignments?

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<v Speaker 2>Would that have worked for you? And why not?

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<v Speaker 1>So a couple of things. One with a dark vice,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't wear them anymore in the NFL unless you

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<v Speaker 1>get a medical exemption. So people used to wear them

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<v Speaker 1>all the time when I first got in, But because

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<v Speaker 1>of the concussion risk, they need to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>evaluate you through the helmet. They've basically made it impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to get a dark visor now. So that's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>for the NFL that would make that very challenging. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to the eye looking, most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at stripes. So what I mean by that

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<v Speaker 1>is like you get the stripe down the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the helmet, and that's a thing that's tipping you off.

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes like guys will lean a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>their head, their whole head will turn a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll kind of see the whole stripe kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go in the direction. So I think this is this

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<v Speaker 1>sounds to me like more of a coaching thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>just like hey man, you know, like keep your stripe

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<v Speaker 1>facing forward and then you can use your eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>your periphera to track the pieces that you need to

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<v Speaker 1>track in terms of blocking assignment. And again, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some really good defensive players that like as you're walking

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<v Speaker 1>to the line of scrimmage, they're looking at your eyes

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<v Speaker 1>because you tend to kind of pre evaluate where the

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<v Speaker 1>defense is and they get really good at that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole different battle of wax. We can talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it another time, but I think right now, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just keeping your head nice and neutral up the

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<v Speaker 1>field and making sure that we emphasize that from a

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<v Speaker 1>coaching standpoint, because the dark visor, while a great idea,

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<v Speaker 1>does not handle the stripe and is now illegal. So

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that, kids.

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<v Speaker 2>He can't do it. But I loved that comment because

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<v Speaker 2>it made me time go man, that's out of the

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<v Speaker 2>bucks thinking and I love it. So thanks Logan. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you breaking that down for me and for our

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<v Speaker 2>guy Gary. All Right, fans, thanks so much for listening Logan.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you sign us off. We'll be back with

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<v Speaker 2>another one next week. And also, if audio was a

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<v Speaker 2>little off today, guys, bear with us. We had the

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<v Speaker 2>snow when we were recording this. We were not in

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<v Speaker 2>our normal podcast studio to record, so I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>set this up remotely for Logan, and I so appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>if the audio quality is not as great as it

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<v Speaker 2>normally as I appreciate guys just bearing with us. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back in studio soon, I promise, So, Logan, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you sign us off?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks so much for listening. Please make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>those in there as well. Thanks so much for joining

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<v Speaker 1>in and tuning in with us and being with us

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<v Speaker 1>on this pre combined post combine draft journey. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it for today's show.