1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: On today's episode of Ticket to the Draft podcast, we 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: have the edge rushers. Man, this is such a fun class. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: We got speed to power, we got bull rushers, we 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: got edge guys, athletes, anybody you want. And we also 5 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: have Bruce Lee in this class. It's a deep class. 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: We love them all. We got a little bit of 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: hate for one guy. That's a criticism, not hate. We're 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: not haters. And then we've got five extra guys, guys 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: that nobody in the national media is talking about, but 10 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about them here. It's for the nerds. And 11 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: then we answer fan questions. It all starts right now. 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Tick of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Paulson here with just the guy, Jason and Jason. I'm 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: so excited today to be talking edge rushers. But before 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: we get an edge rusher, sure you guys like and 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: comment wherever you guys can content. We got questions we're 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: going to talk about a little bit later. Guys left 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: some good ones. We figured we addressed those. But in 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: the meantime we're gonna talk some edge rusher pass rusher 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: ball here, which is exciting. That's one of the most 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: valuable positions in in sports at the moment. 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, edge rusher is the most exciting class for me. 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: It's one of the craziest athletes that are there, so 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: it's so much fun to watch. A lot of people 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: say corner is a crazy athletic position, and it is, 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: but for me, the size that these guys are, the 27 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: way that they move, it just shouldn't be real. And 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: the variety of it. We have smaller guys that move 29 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: pretty quick, big guys that move pretty quick, small guys 30 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: that are super strong, and it's just the variety of 31 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: athlete and size that you find is pretty incredible to 32 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: me in the edge class. So I'm excited to dive 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: into this there. We still just full disclosure for everyone listening. 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: I at least I don't want to speak for you Logan. 35 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: Still have a lot of guys to watch. But I 36 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 2: went through about what is generally considered the top twenty 37 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: edge rushers, and we'll be talking about obviously your top ten, 38 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: so we'll hitdle on those. But as we go through 39 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: Ticket to the Draft podcast and we get closer to 40 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: the actual draft, we'll touch on even more guys. 41 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I think that'll bet to be a 42 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun. And again, like with the edge rushers, 43 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: I think from an evaluation point, it's always easier to 44 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: watch them because they're in They're in the they're in 45 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: the teeth of the play all the time, right, you 46 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: don't have to kind of go hunt and peck and 47 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: look for them like with the way you would with 48 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: a dB. Right there in the film, they're they're they're 49 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: doing something impactful every single play. So on like a 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: dB where you got to kind of watch three or 51 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: four games to get a feel, you can watch an 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: edge sure in about thirty to forty snaps usually, and 53 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: then you kind of couple that with like reel and 54 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: kind of get a feel for how they move and 55 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: what they do well. So I always like edge because 56 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: they're fun, like you mentioned the freak athletes, but also 57 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: they tend to be a little bit more straightforward in 58 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: terms of evaluation, which picks makes our lives a lot easier, 59 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: especially kind of on you know, kind of getting ready 60 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: to get get in these prospects ready excuse me? 61 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And just so everybody knows, we see your comments, 62 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: we hear your comments. We have somebody that add a 63 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: question about offensive line play and something we said, you're 64 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: going to answer that at the end of the show. Also, 65 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: someone was asking about re viewing Gabe Taylor, who's a safety, 66 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: and we'll do DBS coming up soon, but I'm ready 67 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: to get into the edge rushers. And the way that 68 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: I want to start that logan is by asking you 69 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: a couple of questions. It's what do you look for 70 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: in edge? And then I want you to clarify some 71 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: terms that we'll probably be using moving forward. So when 72 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: we use shorthand as a lot of scouts in the 73 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: NFL as a whole uses somebody that's tuning in for 74 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: the first time or just getting their toes wet in 75 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: the draft and prospect evaluation process, they understand what those 76 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: terms means. So let's start here. What do you look 77 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: for logan in your edge rushers? 78 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like we did the offensive line for 79 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, athletic traits and they're kind of to the 80 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: offensive line, like her how they anchor. There's a little 81 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: bit more technical hume in there that's important to understand 82 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: and kind of make sure you make note of as 83 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: you're going through the process. But for me edge rusher, sure, man, 84 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: it's athlete all the time. Mass, it's athlete one hundred percent. Like, 85 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: if you see a big, strong, athletic dude who's physical 86 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: and like's contact, that's the guy that you're looking for. 87 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: That's the player that you got to hone in on 88 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: and again. And like we've talked unch kind of in 89 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: previous show, obviously you're looking for athletic traits, but in 90 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: addition to athletic trades, you're also so kind of looking 91 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: for and you can't have one in isolation without the other. 92 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: The redemptions we got on this list today, which I 93 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: think are going to be really fun to talk about 94 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: as to why maybe we're willing to look past some 95 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: of the lack of either top flight athleticism or top 96 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: flight production. But to me, it's it's like, you want 97 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: that guy that could have played power forward in the 98 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: NBA pensive end, and you want to see a certain 99 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: amount of violence, a certain amount of like I'm going 100 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: to use the analogy of like a dog with a ball, right, 101 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: you want the guy who when you throw the ball, 102 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: like he is just one thousand miles an hour, hell 103 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: or high water going to go. And there's some guys 104 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: in our obviously we've got the top ten, but some 105 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: guys in the kind of the auxiliary five or six 106 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: that we wanted to just bring up mentioned aren't in 107 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: the list because they don't have that kind of urgency 108 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: to their play. So urgent, athletic, physical are all things 109 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: that you're looking for here. It's really this is like 110 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: bare bones, like strip it down. I think it's one 111 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: of the easier positions to evaluate, just because it's like 112 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: you want tall, oletic dudes who are violent and care 113 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: about care about ball, and then really that's what it 114 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: comes down to. 115 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: So let me ask you a couple of terms that 116 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: we're going to use going through these guys when we 117 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: describe them, and some of them may seem basic to 118 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: a lot of people, but to others that are just 119 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: getting into this, please bear with us. We want them 120 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: to know what we're talking about. So, like the very 121 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: first one is like, what is a bull rush? 122 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, bullrush is like kind of what you think about 123 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: a bowl, like when it's gonna smash into another bowl, 124 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: like they're going to hit each other full speed. You're 125 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: kind of running if you're the defensive player, like right 126 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: down the middle of the offensive lineman, and you can 127 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: set that up in different ways. You can take different angles. 128 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: Kind of attack the outside shoulder of the offensive lineman, 129 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: put your foot in the ground and kind of of 130 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: get the tackle moving before you get engaged in the 131 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: bull rush. And what you want to see there is 132 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: just nice tight elbows, you know, three points of contact 133 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: to hand to extension, get that offensive lineman to really 134 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: have to work his anchor stop his feet. And then 135 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: you want to see either a bull rush that finishes 136 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: at the quarterback or a bull rush to a nice 137 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: transition with strong hands kind of pulling yourself through. So 138 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: you want to see great hand engagement, you want to 139 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: see great contact. You want to see great kind of 140 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: a recklessness almost to the bull rush to get that 141 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: guy off balance. And again to me, when you're talking 142 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: pass rush, the best pass rushers in the NFL year 143 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: on year are great, and they have the highlight reel 144 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: kind of where they do the Euro step when they 145 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: chop hands and they get by and you see all 146 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: those BT Jordan pass rush clinics. But the best guys 147 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: have elite power and because the power kind of forces 148 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: the offensive lineman to stop their feet. And I think 149 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: when you're looking at bull rushes like that's why it's 150 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: so important to talk about these guys from a Power 151 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: File standpoint is can you get the tackle to respect 152 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: you running down the middle of their screws? Can you 153 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: get them to stop their feet, because then I can 154 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: work edges a little bit easier. I can do some 155 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: of that hand fighting stuff that you know gets people 156 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: Instagram famous. 157 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: So let's talk about that hand fighting stuff. The thing 158 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: that last year lay out to you LOTU was so 159 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: good at, and it's the finesse moves. Like when we 160 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: talk about finess moves, what are some of them? What 161 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: does that mean? Because when we broke down on the 162 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: last episode offensive line, you were saying, an offensive lineman 163 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: has to be prepared for basically three things, an outside move, 164 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: an inside move, and running right at your face. And 165 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: a lot of these set up for the next one. 166 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: Because these guys are playing chess. So if I think 167 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: a bull rush is coming, what's a finesse move that? Then? Oh, 168 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: he buld rushed me. Next time I'm setting my anchor, 169 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: Oh here it comes a finesse move to my inside 170 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: or my outside. Give me an example of some of those. 171 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, So a lot of people think of finess 172 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: moves as just being hand moves, but they're also kind 173 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: of correlated with your feed. So for example, like I 174 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: want to run kind of right down the middle, I 175 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: want to show you like a jab step or kind 176 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: of like a one to two imagine like I'm crossing 177 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: you over, I get to tackle to settle his feet 178 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: because I'm thicking power. He throws his hands, the tackle 179 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: throws his hands, or the guard throws their hands. I 180 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: can work a double wiper, so basically, like imagine you're 181 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: a wax on wax off from karate kid, I'm moving 182 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: both my hands simultaneously to kind of knock his hands down, 183 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: kind of losing or being soft with my inside shoulder, 184 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: getting skinny with my torso, and then working a perimeter 185 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: move right and so you can do that. Wipers is 186 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: easy because you can do it outside and you get inside. 187 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: You're just changing the direction you're moving your hands. And 188 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: then obviously there's like a dip and rip move, which 189 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: is which is really effective. There's a couple guys on 190 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: here that have excellent dip and rip moves, and these 191 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: are kind of like some people would categorize them as 192 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: a ghost rush, but basically it all comes back to 193 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: protecting my inside shoulder. As a rusher, I'm gonna dip 194 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: down towards the ground. The tackle's gonna punch. He's not 195 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of juice on there because I'm 196 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: low to the ground, he's high. And then as I 197 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: rip through, I'm ripping through that contact and shaving that 198 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: angle so I can get to the quarterback. There's that, 199 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: There's like the fake long arm to chop. There's a 200 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: whole bunch of different stuff they can do, but all 201 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: of them are designed initially to stop the tackle's feet 202 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: and then you work to the edge. Because basically, if 203 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: you think about it, if I'm a tackle and I 204 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: never if I never set to power, if I never 205 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: stop my feet, I would just keep kicking with you. 206 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: So you want to see guys that take good effective 207 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: angles to the quarterback and then have that suddenness to 208 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: attack inside outside with you know, wipers, chops, rips, those 209 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: types of moves. 210 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: And building off of that, Like you said, what is 211 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: speed to power? Because that sounds like a combination of 212 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: two of the things that you just said, So give 213 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: me a quick explanation of speed to power. 214 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: So like for me, it's kind of it kind of 215 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: melds or blends in with like a bull rush. It's 216 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: like a bull rush is like a power move basically, right, 217 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: But there are different ways to set up your power, 218 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: and so for me, speed to power is basically what 219 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: you're trying to do. So like if I take too 220 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: tight of an angle, like if I run too closely 221 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: to the tackle, I'm not stressed him. He's just kind 222 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: of waiting for me there. So then I run into 223 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: a guy who's ready to brace, ready to grab onto me, 224 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: ready to sink his hips, and ready to redirect me 225 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: from the quarterback. There are certain guys we're going to 226 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: talk about here that do a really good job of 227 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: taking what I would call a high angle, kind of 228 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: not running away from the tackle, but forcing the tackle 229 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: to be really aggressive with their kickstep, so that when 230 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: you turn and transition into a bowl or a power rush, 231 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: they're kind of unsettled with their feet. They're really stressing 232 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: to move quickly to that spot to meet up with you. 233 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: You kind of change the angle last minute, and then 234 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: when you collision them, their base is why they're not 235 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: ready for the contact. And it can be helpful, especially 236 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: when you're rushing it's a bigger tackle to help kind 237 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: of get them off balance and then make your power 238 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: move more effective. So that's why they call it speed 239 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: vertical speed up the field to power to that contact 240 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: point to get them to make your power move a 241 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: little bit more effective. 242 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then just a guy terminology. The way I 243 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: kind of look at it is that there are guys 244 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: they're two weight. There's really five ways to attack, right. 245 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: There's the inside move, the outside move, straight bullrush, and 246 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: then there's a bull rush into a finesse move like 247 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: a spin for instance, and then there's speed to power. 248 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to look like I'm dipping and coming around 249 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: the outside, but then I'm going to go right at 250 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: you when you look a little off balance. And some 251 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: of these guys are really good at all most of these, 252 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: or rather they specialize in one or two of these, 253 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: most of these guys, and when you find a guy 254 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: that can do all of these, that's where you get 255 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: your very high top end prospects, which we'll talk about. 256 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: So let's let's go ahead and get into it. Logan, 257 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: Let's do your top ten edge rushers in this year's draft. 258 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: We'll start with number ten. 259 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: HEO, do you got my god? Princey Princely excuse me, 260 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: Unmanniela from Old Miss and he's weavers number four on film. 261 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: He was at the Senior Ball. He's uh. I think 262 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: he's like six four two fifty five is. She's got 263 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: thirty four and a quarter inch arms, so pretty long 264 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: arms for his height. And he's kind of built like 265 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: a pass rusher right like you look at him and 266 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: he's built to rush the pastor. He's got really good 267 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: movement skills. He's got pretty intuitive hand usages. It's not 268 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: the most polished thing I've ever seen of all time, 269 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: but it's pretty good and it's funny. He was one 270 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: of the first guys I watched and I was like, oh, first, 271 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: he's going to be a top five player just because 272 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: he's got this great these great movement skills. But I 273 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: think the fact that he's ten speaks to, you know 274 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: how deep this edge rusher classes, and you know, the 275 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: peak might not be outside of Abdu Coller Carter, might 276 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: not be the highest, but I do think there's a 277 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: lot of really really talented guys that are going to 278 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: be starters, and I think Princeley is a good example 279 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: that the reason he's lower on my list is because 280 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: I think he at times he lacks urgency in the 281 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: run game, right, A lot of these guys were talking 282 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: about like they just play with their absolute hair on 283 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: fire all the time. He's not hot and cold. He's 284 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: really he's really reticent to run to the football pursuit 285 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: of the football. But if he's engaged in a block, 286 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: he's not super dynamic or in terms of shedding as 287 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: a run player, he brings a great juice. As a 288 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: pass rusher, He's a little bit of a one trick 289 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: pony in terms he's always trying to attack the perimeter. 290 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: But the long arms his frame allow him to, you know, 291 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: kind of work a long arm which is a version 292 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: of the bowl work kind of two hands into a 293 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: transitional rush. So he does have power, he does have speed. 294 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: I think he's got the ability to be a nice 295 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: situational pass rusher at the next level, which is pretty exciting. 296 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: So again, good football player. I thought he'd be a 297 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: little bit higher, but again it just speaks to the 298 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: depth of the class. And the reason he's lower than 299 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: some of these other guys is because I think, again, 300 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: there's some stuff, some questions I have in the run game. 301 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: But for a lot of teams that's okay. Like I 302 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: think when you look at like Nick Benito for the 303 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos, for example, like he was a 304 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: situational pass rusher, pass rushing specialist kind of in college. 305 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: This feels a little bit like that he's kind of 306 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: grown over the course of his first two or three 307 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: years of the NFL and become a every down type player. 308 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: I think Princely could follow that same trajectory and become 309 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: very impactful at the next level. 310 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: I saw something that I thought was interesting where it 311 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: looks like he hand fights sometimes at the point of attack, 312 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: and that's kind of where like the quickly shedding the 313 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: attacking the run game I think kind of gets lost. 314 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: He just gets so locked into I need to win 315 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: and just kind of stays there for too long before 316 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: making some sort of move or shedding or taking his 317 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: eyes to look at what the play is that's happening 318 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: in front of him. He's just so excited about beating 319 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: the guy who's in front of him, and that's just 320 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: a guy eyes. I don't know if that's what's going 321 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: on in his head, but it just looks like for 322 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: all the other guys that I watched, he just sits 323 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: at the point of attack just a hair longer than others. 324 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: But he has incredible burst bend twitch speed like he's 325 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: explosive man, and he's got a frame that I think 326 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: he can keep growing into. So when I saw him 327 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: just a guy, what you're saying to me makes complete sense. 328 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: It's funny how this happens because I love hearing Utah 329 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: talk about guys with your expert opinion and my just 330 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: a guy eyes because I don't know what I'm talking 331 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: about or what I'm looking at. I'm just a guy 332 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: who watches football. But then hearing you talk about these 333 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: guys and it's like, well, that matches up with the 334 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: eye test, because that's basically what I am. I'm the 335 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: eye test. And it's like you're saying all these things 336 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: and you're explaining it in a way that I could 337 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: never fully understand all the technicalities of it. But Okay, 338 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: all that makes sense because it matches up with my 339 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: eyes or scene. And what I mean by that is 340 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: I wrote down it looks like you could be an 341 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: immediate pass rush specialist. Yeah, and that's a good role 342 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: for a team. 343 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I think like you're always and I 344 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: think there's tremendous value there. And there's a couple other 345 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: guys like in the subsequent lists we're going to talk about, 346 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: but he's he's got some juice to him, and I 347 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: think that's ultimately what you're chasing with this position. We 348 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: talked about athletes. He's an athlete. He runs, he can hit, 349 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: He's again, he's got this tremendous ability to have have 350 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: like this in eight feel as a pass rusher. I 351 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: thought it looked great at the Senior Bowl and kind 352 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: of the bag work and movement skills. Didn't win all 353 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: of his one on ones, but I thought was pretty dynamic. 354 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: But a player that like he's going to contribute to 355 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: an NFL roster and he's the tenth guy on the list, 356 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it just kind of 357 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: speaks again to the class. And again, like one of 358 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: the things about him is I do think because of 359 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: his arm length, because of his frame, he can be 360 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: more impactful on first and second down given the right environment, 361 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: given the right coaching situation. So you know, for a 362 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: team like the Commanders, he's to me would be a 363 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: great fit. You know, in terms of a guy that 364 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: has pass rushed, you this good frame, good length, and 365 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: just getting him in the right culture and with the 366 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: right mentality because he does finish to the ball. It's 367 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: just not this viole like. We're gonna talk about a 368 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: guy here at number nine who is like, there's no 369 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: question about his urgency and passion for the game. With Princely, 370 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's your like. I know you like rushing 371 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: the passer. I know you're really good at it. I 372 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: need to see a little bit more on first and 373 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: second down for me to be really confident about you 374 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: moving forward. 375 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: You're becoming a pro. That's a nice segue into only 376 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: feme olidagio from UCLA. You're so you have your eyes 377 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: on this guy, I'm sure. But is he representing your 378 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: alma mater? Well, Logan, tell me about it. 379 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, he is. He was maybe him 380 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: and another guy, or maybe the two guys I enjoyed 381 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: watching most. Like talk about a guy who loves ball, 382 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: who is violent at the point of attack like his 383 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: he's he's he's urgent to get to the football. I'm 384 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: going to get to extension, both hands on the tackles, checks, 385 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull to get free. Like there was 386 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: a play versus USC where he like there was a 387 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: zone read. He attacks the mesh point and he doesn't 388 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: make the tackle, but he looks like a like a missile, 389 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: Like he dives at the quarterback, He like leg whips 390 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: the running back. He's flailing around and you're just like 391 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: that is. It reminds me a lot of who's a 392 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: linebacker here? Number four? Jeez, forget his name already, luvuk Luvu, 393 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: Frankie Louvia. He reminds me of that kind of energy 394 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: in a bigger body. You know, he's six two and 395 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: a half, but he's two sixty five. He's big, he's heavy. 396 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: He rushes at all three spots, rushes at the three technique, 397 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: rushes at the end, and rushes at the nose guard 398 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: as their spinner. And just Is is a maniac to 399 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: get to the football and violent when he gets there. 400 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: And so he's only played like you talked about after 401 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. He's only played like rush defensive end 402 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: for like six games in his career. So for a 403 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: guy to show this type of juice and enthusiasm and energy, like, 404 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, man, he is he's everything you want. 405 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: Like there's no question about his desire, his hustle, his passion, 406 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: and he has the right kind of physical violence to 407 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: his game that just just it sets you off, Like 408 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: you're just like, I want to coach this guy. I 409 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: want him to be a part of this organization now. 410 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: Because of the limited experience, he's a little bit raw, 411 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: he's a little bit stiff. You know. Princely has this 412 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: great bend and natural movement skill. Femi's a little bit 413 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: tighter in the upper back, kind of a little bit 414 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: more of a power type rusher, but he has enough 415 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: juice to his motor that makes you say, man, this 416 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: guy's going to be a good football player. Just got 417 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: to get him with the right coaches and keep fostering 418 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: this tremendous passion for football. 419 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. My favorite stat about him is that he played 420 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: inside linebacker and he looks like it. Right, He's got 421 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: that type of body, big, supersized, just rocked up dude, right, 422 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: and it's like, Okay, he played well at inside linebacker, 423 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: and then UCLA went, hey, let's move him to the 424 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: outside for the final six games of this season, and 425 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: he just balled, just immediately started racking up the production. 426 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, but he's a wild man right, and a 427 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: lot of that has to do with the rawness that 428 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: you were talking about. But crazy, This doesn't take a 429 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: genius to see. He's crazy athletic and has a motor 430 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: like that's what it is, right, He's just running on high. 431 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: And there are more athletic people. And we're going to 432 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: talk about another guy here that I think is very 433 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: similar in terms of play style. But there's something to 434 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: be said for playing hard at defensive end and a 435 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: little bit reckless. And he does that, like if you're 436 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: looking at matting rating, like he's playing hard all the 437 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: time and he's also a little bit reckless. So he's 438 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: going to throw his body in there and be devastating, 439 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: which is you're just going to get You're just going 440 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: to fall into a lot of plays. And there's a 441 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: guy here that is maybe the most athletically gifted guy 442 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: on this list, but he's not in the top ten 443 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: because he doesn't bring the juice all the time and 444 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: I think those like just bringing juice all the time, energy, passion, 445 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: motivation just makes him such a high floor prospect in 446 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: my opinion. 447 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is going to Femi here is 448 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: going to be a surprise on draft night for a 449 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: lot of people because he's not getting a lot of 450 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: national attention, and a coach is just going to fall 451 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: in love with this. They're going to fall in love 452 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: with that energy, that motor and the rawness the clay. 453 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 2: And when you have a guy that has that type 454 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: of motor and that energy and that juice and that hustle, 455 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: that tends to mean that they have the want to right, 456 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: they're hard workers off the field. That tends to be 457 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: a correlation there. So a coach is going to see 458 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: this and go, oh my gosh, if I have If 459 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: he's already this and he's I can still mold him, 460 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: I'll take him. And I think he's going to go 461 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: much higher than people anticipate because the coach is going 462 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: to see that and won it. 463 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, you know who does the athletic stuff, has 464 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: them already in his top ninety players. So it's already 465 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: starting to happen because people are starting to be aware 466 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: of what he does and the physicality and the urgency 467 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: he plays with. 468 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: All Right, Number eight for you, yeah, is. 469 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: The Ohio state standout. You're gonna have to help me 470 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: with his name here, it's TJ. Right, TJ to malau 471 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: JT to malau JT. There we go, not the part 472 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: I thought I need help with. But you know that's 473 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: that's me reading wrong anyway. So he's he's sixty five, 474 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: he's two sixty five, looks like he might be two seventy. 475 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: Is long, He's like long limbed, long legs. He has 476 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: this great kind of feel for getting to extension on blockers. 477 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: He's got this kind of silky smooth athleticism. To me, 478 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: he's this is like a high floor prospect, right, He's 479 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: got the frame, he's got the athleticism. I think he 480 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: leaves some to be desired as a pure pass rusher. 481 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: He's got a nice little spin move. He's got some 482 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: decent power, a little bit sluggish to react to stuff. 483 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: But because he's so good on first and second down, 484 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: because he's got the frame, because he's got this length, 485 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a very very solid 486 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: pro So if the commanders were to draft a guy 487 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: like this, you feel really good about the floor that 488 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: he brings to your defense. 489 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: I have a question about him off of what you 490 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: just said. So you said he's like a little bit sluggish, right, 491 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: I wonder if it's just he doesn't have that burst 492 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: in that quickness, because he does seem to eventually get 493 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: up there, almost like he has a build up speed. 494 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 2: So do you think that's like an athletic thing, like 495 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: a trait that's holding him back or is it a 496 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: coaching thing? Is it something you can train and teach, 497 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: like to get him to just be a little quicker 498 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: off the burst. 499 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think he can fix his stance a 500 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: little bit. You know, he kind of does a lot 501 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: of stuff from a three point stance, so two feet 502 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: on the ground, one hand on the ground. He's in 503 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: a sprinter stance, but he's his butt's kind of low, 504 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: and so when you think about getting off from a 505 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: pass rushing standpoint, you kind of want your butt above 506 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: your shoulders so you can kind of get that extension 507 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: out of your stands. I think we could kind of 508 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: they could clean that up for him a little bit. 509 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: I do think to your point that there are some 510 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: technical corrections you could make, but I also believe that 511 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: that's just kind of how he's wired. And so people say, well, Logan, 512 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: you just talked about athleticism, right, He's he's athletic in 513 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: a different way. Kind of like a fluid kind of 514 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: basketball type of athleticism. Right, it's not super sudden. He's 515 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: kind of like that guy at the YMCA who's always 516 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: kind of crossing people over in slow motion and hitting 517 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: three pointers. And the size is something that you just 518 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: can't overlook here in terms of floor, Like, he could 519 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: play stand up edge, right, he could play like kind 520 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: of a four down six techniques, so head up over 521 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: the tight end. He could play a tight five if 522 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: you need him to, because the length, because the extension, 523 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: because the frame just brings his floor up so tremendously. 524 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: So is he the most exciting prospect on the list? No, 525 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: but again, floor is incredibly high I think he had. 526 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: He does have some upside as a pass rusher, Like 527 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: when you watch him, his ability to get to the 528 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: spin move off of kind of his power approach is 529 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: pretty devastating, and he's able to create a couple pressures 530 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: off of that. So again, not the most dynamic guy, 531 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: but again, just a really really solid professional. And I 532 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: like to bet on those guys in the draft because 533 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: it's mitigating risk. Right, His frame, his length, his kind 534 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: of silky smooth athleticism, his physicality, he had a great 535 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: play against Oregon where they're run in like a counter, 536 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: they're pulling the guard the tight ends. Following he blows 537 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: just straight through the guards outside shoulder hits the tight end, 538 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: makes a huge pile, makes a tackle like I want 539 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: that on my team. A guy that diagnoses attacks with violence, 540 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: and you see the physical tools on plays like that, 541 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: and then they happen relatively consistently. So I really like 542 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: him as a player. If he was a commander, I'd 543 00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: be pret juiced. 544 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: I'd be super juice because I think he's just all 545 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: around good and he also he's got a high football IQ. 546 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: It looks like I mean, he can quickly dissect what's 547 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: going on with play, shed blocks, get into the run game, 548 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: and he's just very smooth. There's something about him where 549 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: he's not flashy, but he is just effective at everything 550 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: he does. Honestly, I think this guy is going to 551 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: be a breakout star. I could see it happening just 552 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: because he's so solid at everything. And I still think 553 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: he has like you were saying earlier, the things that 554 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: he's not great at are coachable and things that he'll 555 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: grow into and learn, especially if he gets with a 556 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: good defensive minded coach or d line coach that can 557 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: teach him how to like get a little more juice, right, 558 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: maybe don't be so deliberate, be a little more wild, 559 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: like how we just talked about Femi, Like just add 560 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: that to your game, change your mindset, just to hear, 561 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: because I don't think it's the athleticism or the IQ 562 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: that's holding them back. I think it's like I think 563 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: it's a mentality, quite honestly, and and if that clicks 564 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: for him, I think he could be honestly a breakout star. Right, 565 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna battle on this guy, like this is gonna 566 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: be one of my guys that I'm gonna love watching 567 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: the career of. And I hope he does really well 568 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: because I, for whatever reason, my just a guy eyes 569 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: see it. Okay, so we're going to go to the 570 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: next guy here, and that is number seven is Lyndon 571 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: Jackson from Arkansas. 572 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: For you, dude, I absolutely this is maybe my favorite 573 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: player in the defensive line group. And again, he's not 574 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: the best athlete, he's not the twitchiest guy. But what 575 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: I love about him is he plays the game with 576 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: such physical violence. Right, he is tough man. He is 577 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: going to play every play one percent. There's no compromising 578 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: in terms of effort. Like you watch its LSU and again, 579 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: Will Campbell is, you know, my number one offensive lineman. 580 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: But he's given Will Campbell fits right just because every 581 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: down it's like I'm running right down the screws. I 582 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: am violently extending, I'm violently shending. I'm violently running to 583 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: the football. And he's a big old hoss. He's six 584 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: five and a half, he's two seventy five to seventy 585 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: three something like that. He's got thirty three and a 586 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: half inch arms. Arm wakes a little bit short. But man, 587 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: he I when you play the game the right way, 588 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: when you are like, hey, man, it's ninety minutes of 589 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: me and you and our face masks are gonna hit 590 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna they're gonna be really familiar with themselves 591 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: by the end of this game. Like I just I 592 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: can't get enough of that, man, I really cannot. And 593 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: so he does that. He's a little stiff. He's a 594 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: little stiff in his upper back. He plays a little 595 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: bit of high so all of his sacks tend to 596 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: be kind of either like bull rushes to like hard 597 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: transitions or bull rushes to kind of power rips, which 598 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: again we've seen. I'm not gonna I'm going to compare 599 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: him to Jared Verse. They're very different players. Jared Vers 600 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: has elite, devastating, you know, game changing power. Landon Jackson 601 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: plays like that, but not quite to the same level. Right, 602 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: So I just think, you know, if you put him 603 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: at a stand up end, he's gonna set a hard 604 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: edge and he's gonna make your life absolutely hell. He 605 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: can play a six technique and can play a five. 606 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: He was their stand up spinner and he's just running 607 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: right down the middle of the center's faces. You can 608 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: tell guys don't want to block him because of how 609 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: he plays. In the Senior Bowl game, he has two sacks, 610 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: he has a force fumble like he just plays hard man. 611 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: And again, like this is gonna sound dumb, but like 612 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: when you're big and athletic and physically violent, if you 613 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: play hard and you play every snap like it's your 614 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: last snap, it's gonna save you a lot of grief. 615 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: So everyone says, oh, well, Logan, how is he compared 616 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: to Princely Umaniela you know from Old Miss Princey is 617 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: a better athlete, Like he moves better, he's looser, he's 618 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: he's got more pass rush upside. But if you want 619 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: a guy that's going to come in at day one 620 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: and change your program and be a commander, then just 621 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: set a cultural physical tone for your team. It's it's 622 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: Land and Jackson. 623 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Logan, I think what we're starting to learn, if 624 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: our listeners are still with us, which I hope they are, 625 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: is that this class is good. This is a good 626 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: edg rush class. I don't know that there's any like 627 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: there's not like a ton of elite guys like or 628 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: sure things or blue chippers let's call them that. There's 629 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: not a ton of those. But the depth here is great. 630 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: Like if you're getting these guys, if you look at 631 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: the list we've gone through already, this is your seventh, eighth, ninth, 632 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: and tenth on the list of edge rushers, and you'd 633 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: be happy with these guys, right, So I think that 634 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: that's real quickly. I just wanted to state that out, 635 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: Like they all have like little things that can be 636 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: improved upon. They're not perfect, they're certainly not blue chippers yet, 637 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: but they all look like they can contribute almost immediately 638 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: in some way for our teams. 639 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great point. That's what's so 640 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: exciting about this Edwritch class because even the five or 641 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: six guys we're going to talk about kind of just 642 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: throwing names out there, I think contribute as well given 643 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: the right situation. But the fact that maybe my favorite player, 644 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in the entire draft, the 645 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: seventh Edge Rusher, I think speaks to the physical talent 646 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: that this group has. And again that we talk about 647 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: how production and physical traits need to meet up, right, 648 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: and some of these guys early on have just the 649 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: most cartoonish physical traits you've ever seen, But again the 650 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: production doesn't always match up. And so that's why, I mean, 651 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: it's a really interesting class to talk about, and I'm 652 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: glad we're going to talk about him. 653 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: And speaking of guys that are just kind of cartoonish, 654 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna get now into some of the guys that 655 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: just move incredibly well. And we're going to start here 656 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: with the James Pierce Jr. There are a couple of 657 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: guys that are like him. He's the first one on 658 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: our board that I think is his size and moves 659 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: like he does. I mean, I'm gonna start real quick 660 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: this guy's tape is just fun to watch because he 661 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: excels at burst and bend. He's got great top tier 662 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: pursuit speed, he's got nice footwork. He's just he's got 663 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: long length, he's twitched. It's like this guy's huge and 664 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: he is an incredible athlete. Now he has some deficiencies. 665 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll talk about him, but him, Mike Green 666 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: will talk about later. Like, these guys kind of fall 667 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: in the same category. They are all around the same size, 668 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: and man can they move. So talk to me a 669 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: little bit about James Pierce Junior from Tennessee. 670 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's like I think you hit the 671 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: nail on the head there. He's kind of he's what 672 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: is he's six ' five, he's two forties three, I 673 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: want to say, and they don't. We don't. We don't 674 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: have an official arm length measurement for him because he 675 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: wasn't at the Senior Bowl. But we'll get that to 676 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: you once he's at the combine. But kind of looks 677 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: like a big receiver, like he runs exceptionally well. He 678 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: has got good length. It's seemingly on film. He's got 679 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: good physical pop and twitch. To me, he's playing like 680 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: his hand in the dirt, kind of a six six 681 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: technique tight nine. I don't know if that's his best game. 682 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: I want him at a two point. I want him 683 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: attacking the quarterback as much as possible, because again he's 684 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: not maybe the most refined pass rusher, but he makes 685 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: up for it with just amendous horsepower. Right, He's a 686 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: little stiff through his trunk, so that elite bend isn't 687 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: always there. But unlike Landon Jackson, who's kind of this 688 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: power bruising hulk, this guy looks like he might run 689 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: a four to four. Like he is juiced up, he's twitchy, 690 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: he gets off the ball well, he's violent at the 691 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: intersection point in terms of past row. The reason to 692 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: me again, if you watch his what is this twenty 693 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: twenty three tape, you're like, this dude's going to be 694 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: a top ten pick. Then, for whatever reason, this last 695 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty four kind of stumbled a little bit. 696 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: It's production's way down. Not really sure what the deal 697 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: was if there was a change in usage. They rotate 698 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: him out a lot. They have like six or seven 699 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: guys there along the defensive front that are constantly like 700 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: hockey rotationing in which was frustrating when you're watching the 701 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: All twenty two because you're like, dude, I just want 702 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: to watch this guy play like he's the best athlete 703 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: out here, like let him play more. But for whatever reason, 704 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: they made a decision not to do that. I do 705 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: feel like there are times where he's not all the 706 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: way engaged in the game because he is such a 707 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: good athlete. Like there was an example versus Vanderbilt where 708 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: the guy, the offensive lineman kind of walks him to 709 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: the sideline and he looks at him and kind of 710 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: points to the ref and the ref's like, you got 711 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: to get off the block. And the next play he 712 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: absolutely just murders this guy. But I'm like, where's that 713 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: effort all the time? And so I think that's something 714 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: that's a little bit that that's why he's six for me. Right, physically, 715 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: he could be higher, but the effort, inconsistency, the lack 716 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: of production this last year, the lack of that like 717 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: elite elite bend are all red flag. Now he's twitched up, 718 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: he's juiced, he's going to run fast. He can run 719 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: fast to the football, He's got good length, So like 720 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: I like him but again there are some questions, which 721 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: is why he's not the third guy. He's the sixth 722 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: guy on this list. 723 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: Logan, I'm going to be a little bit different than 724 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: you with this, and it could just be because I 725 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: don't see things the way that you do, in the 726 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: technical ways you do. I think anybody from two to 727 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 2: six here on the guys on your list, they're all 728 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 2: kind of toss ups for me, and on any given week, 729 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: I could shuffle them around. Like quite honestly, he looks 730 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: I just as I'm watching him, I immediately think, like 731 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: Mike Green. The comparisons are there, right, and on any 732 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: given day, I could have James Pierce higher than Mike Green. 733 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: Now that's I'm not a Mike Green a hater, but 734 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: there's just something where like he's getting a lot of 735 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: media hype, and then James Pearce is at here doing 736 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: things that Mike Green is doing, but he's doing it 737 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: at higher competition, like I'm seeing it. And I'll give 738 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 2: you an example. This morning, I went back and watched 739 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 2: a little bit of his tape with NC State where 740 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: he goes up against Anthony Belton, a guy we really like, 741 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 2: and he would win, not just win with his finesse 742 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: moves night he won twice with a bull rush, and 743 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 2: so it's like, Okay, I've seen him do it right, 744 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 2: Whereas like a Mike Green looks a little more athletic, 745 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 2: but I can't tell if it's because he plays with 746 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 2: against lesser competition at Marshall or he's that much better 747 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: of an athlete. And it's gonna make me sound like 748 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 2: a Mike Green hater, and I guess I that's what 749 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: people can call me. It's not I'm not. I love 750 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: Mike Green. Watching Mike Green is fun. Watching James Pearce 751 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: is fun. Like, I just think that we're now at 752 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: the point for me where if any of these guys 753 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 2: that we're gonna list coming forward become commanders, I think 754 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: they can have day one effectiveness because we have a 755 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 2: good coaching staff here. We have guys like Ryan Carrigan 756 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: on this staff who you know very well, who is shoot, 757 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 2: he's Washington's sack all time leader like and can teach 758 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 2: these guys how to improve their gant. So like, I 759 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: see a guy like James pears and I see the 760 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 2: limitations you're talking about, and I'm like, yeah, get them here, 761 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 2: as them be a commander and I'm going to be 762 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: like this for all the guys moving forward, like there's 763 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: just they're kind of all bunched up and I love 764 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: them all. 765 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing with James first junior, 766 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: it was the it was the down to down effort 767 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: that I was a little bit like, what's going on here? Right? 768 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: Are you getting ready for the NFL draft? Like what's 769 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: going on? And this is where like having a meeting 770 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: with the guy would be really helpful because I do 771 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: think there are teams that'll have him higher than this 772 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: once they get the measurements and what they get like 773 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: all the GPS dad and all that stuff, and once 774 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: you meet with him, like let's say the dude just 775 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: absolutely bleeds football, right, Like, I'm gonna take him way 776 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: higher because again, the physical tools there, but there were 777 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: questions just watching the film and it's not all the 778 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: time where you're like, man, like come on, like all 779 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: the time, be like this, do this all the time. 780 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: And again like good football player twitched up if he's 781 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: a commander, like you're doing on a backflip or I 782 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna fall that far. I think he's 783 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: probably gonna go the latest twenty five. But but yeah, man, 784 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: he's a good football player and juiced up special special athletes, 785 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: special rusher and I get again, given the right situation, 786 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: I think could do some really devastating things. 787 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 2: And let's get into I mean, we know commanders, they 788 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: love dogs, right, and I think Dan Quinn says dog 789 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: ass competitors. The next guy on your list list is 790 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: Michel Williams, And man, is this guy a dog, especially 791 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 2: in the run game, and he has comic book length 792 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: and movement. Talk to me a little bit about him 793 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 2: and why he is number five on your list. 794 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's really why he's ahead of James Fears 795 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: Junior is just because of that. Right, He's just big. 796 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: He's bigger and stronger and faster than maybe everybody on 797 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: this list despite outside of one person, Like he is 798 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: one of one. And he's really hard to kind of 799 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: quantify because I want him to play a stand up 800 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: defensive end or a six technique, But at Georgia they 801 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: got him play in a four eyes, so he's basically 802 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: playing like defensive tackle from a frog read stance, so 803 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: like it's not even a three point stance where I 804 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: can attack the line of scrimmage. I'm playing lateral into 805 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: double teams with tackles and tight ends, and I'm just 806 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: totally negating this player's athleticism. But when you watch a 807 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: cutup of it, go ahead, Well, I was. 808 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 2: Going to jump in and say, I think why they 809 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: do that is because he is an incredible disruptor in 810 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 2: the stunt splitz and gap attacks. So I think Georgia 811 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: was like, well, we're gonna put you here because you 812 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 2: excel at this thing. And it's like, I don't know that. 813 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, like, I know you kind 814 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 2: of see that as like I don't want to say 815 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: a negative like you saw that and it's like, oh, 816 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: I want to see something different. I saw that and 817 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, this guy can do anything. 818 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think for me, it's just like I 819 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: think they're mismanaging, Like I think he's probably operating at 820 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: like a seventy five percent on the interior. I want 821 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: to see him operating like when you see him on 822 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: the edge, like be big and long and physical and fast, 823 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: like that's what I want to see. Like there and again, 824 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: he's playing a four eye like he'll rip inside, he'll 825 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: take on a block he does good stuff, right, but 826 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: like when you watch the highlights of him and the 827 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: cutups of him playing on the edge, like you're like, 828 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: I want this guy here more. I want him to 829 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: set edges. I want him to two gap this. I 830 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: want him to again, you're not the most refined pass 831 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: rusher in the whole world, but I want him just 832 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: to uncork it and let it go. And again, that's 833 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: why he's this guy because I think he plays hard, 834 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,479 Speaker 1: he's physical in the run game, he's got the length, 835 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: he's got the size. The production is severely lacking. He 836 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: had an injury this year. Everyone was kind of hoping 837 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: he would be the next guy. And again, just from 838 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: the measurement standpoint, the way he moves, he should be 839 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 1: kind of a i'd say probably a top ten pick. 840 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: But we're talking about him here probably in the mid 841 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: twenties to the high teens to the tens, maybe somewhere 842 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: in there, like because he just wasn't super productive and 843 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of it's the scheme, a little bit, 844 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: it's the usage. But and he's a little bit tight 845 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: like in the hips, so it's hard for him at 846 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: the four eye. But I think when he's linearly on 847 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: the edge moving forward like I think he could be devastating. 848 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: So this is a little bit of a projection pick. 849 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: But I like the other stuff about him enough. I 850 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: like the hand usage, I like the length, I like 851 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: the physical snap to him. I like the movement skills, 852 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: like watching him run like receivers down and dropping a 853 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: coverage like there was a play versus I think it 854 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: was versus Texas Texas where they motioned the third receiver 855 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: to the flat and he was in a three point 856 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: stat stands ahead to drop out and run with like 857 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: a receiver, and it looked like he was fine. He 858 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: was totally comfortable doing that. So an interesting evaluation. Lot 859 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: is lacking in my opinion, just from like watching the 860 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: film because you don't get to see him do all 861 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: this stuff. But physically, movement skills, mentality, it all seems 862 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: to be there. I just wanted to see more. 863 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 2: No, I get what you're saying. I would say that, 864 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 2: like you know, I'm a Penn State fan and one 865 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 2: of the things that drove me absolutely nuts was watching 866 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: Micaeh Parsons at Penn State being a fan of him, 867 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 2: because they just mismanaged him and you could see it. 868 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 2: They had him as an outside linebacker that was playing 869 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 2: that position kind of purely and very rarely pass rushed, 870 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 2: but when he did, it was like, oh my gosh, 871 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 2: why is this guy not a d end or at 872 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 2: least a stand up edge And for whatever reason, Penn 873 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 2: State didn't want to do that, And I think he 874 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 2: no one knew what he was going to be coming 875 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 2: in because he wasn't utilized that way in college, so 876 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 2: there wasn't really the foresight to see what Michael Parsons 877 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 2: could be. And I guess what you're saying here is like, 878 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 2: let's see if this is Michel Williams is I'm not 879 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 2: saying he's in the next Michael Parsons, but I'm saying, like, 880 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,439 Speaker 2: let's see if he really can play at that spot, right, 881 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 2: and let him go instead of moving them in other 882 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 2: positions that don't elevate him, right, Like people say all 883 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 2: the time, and they're right, Like, great coaching is putting 884 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 2: your player in a position to be successful. So it's 885 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 2: finding out what their superpower is and letting them do that. 886 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 2: Don't limit that. I think you mentioned when you played 887 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 2: for Dan Quinn that was one of the great things 888 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 2: about him as a coach. He finds what your superpower 889 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 2: is and it's like, all right, let's harness that and 890 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 2: turn that up. And I think a guy like Michel Williams, 891 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 2: that's why I love him is I think I think 892 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 2: NFL coaches and especially year at the commanders are smart 893 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 2: enough to know that. And I honestly think if he 894 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 2: gets put with let's say he gets paired with a 895 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 2: talented pass rusher veteran on the other side, I mean that, 896 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: I think that's a devastating combo. And I would I 897 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 2: would love to see him wearing a commander's uniform with 898 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 2: Frankie Lulu, right, those two guys, Like, to me, that's 899 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 2: a perfect pair. No, No, I understand, I understand. Yeah, 900 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 2: I don't think it's happening, but I just it'd be. 901 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: It's fun to dream, logan. 902 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: No, it is fun to dream. And I would have 903 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: put him. I probably would have put him above this 904 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: next guy. If the next guy. We talked about production 905 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: quite a bit, right, Like, he's very close to being 906 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: the fourth or third defensive end. And it's crazy to 907 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: say that because his production was so limited at Georgia, 908 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: But dude, he's he's just a special mover and he's 909 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: big as hell, So it's like, you know, it's just 910 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: like God, like, what could this guy be? But yeah, 911 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: the next guy on the list is one that I 912 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: think is kind of maybe the opposite of this, and 913 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: Nick s Gordon from Texas A and M. And he's 914 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: Wor's number eleven. He's I think he's six three. He's 915 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 1: two eighty right, looks a little bit heavy on film, 916 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: but plays the game incredibly hard, plays the four eye, 917 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: plays the end, has a lot more pass rush kind 918 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: of nuance. He's got the double wiper, he's got the 919 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: good bull, he can spin inside. And when you watch 920 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: the stuff of him at Penn State, which is where 921 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: it was the year before, you see tremendous burst and 922 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: juice and just getting after it. And here at A 923 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: and M not quite as much. But the thing that 924 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: made me confident in putting him at number four is 925 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: that he just plays hard as hell. So he's a 926 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: guy that loves ball. He's physicals all outdoors, he's gonna 927 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: he's got the pass rush kind of bag of tricks 928 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: to make him effective at the next level. I worry 929 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: about his general athleticism. So when we get to the combine, 930 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see, like how do you run? 931 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: How's your forty? Like what do the drills look like? 932 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, like how do you up when Mikel Williams 933 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: is out there like like a safety Like probably not 934 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: going to look as good, but do you look at 935 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: least serviceable for a defensive end. But I really liked 936 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: the player. I liked him a lot at Purdue. Liked 937 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: him a lot at Purdue, felt a little bit off 938 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,760 Speaker 1: at at t X and m hopefully he just gained 939 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: a couple pounds, you know, enjoyed the cafeteria a little 940 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: bit too much in Texas, but in terms of mindset 941 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: like it, in terms of past rush moves like it. 942 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: Just wonder about overall athleticism. 943 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 2: That barbecue is good down there in Texas. And I 944 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,919 Speaker 2: was gonna say the same thing I'm this is of 945 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 2: this entire edge rush class is the one I'm most 946 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 2: excited to see at the combine, just to see how 947 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 2: he tests, because I wrote down that is he slow? 948 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, and like I don't know about his 949 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 2: burst either, So I'd love to see in his forty 950 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 2: that ten yard split, Like I'm just curious as to 951 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 2: what it is because he has really great things. And 952 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 2: it's like just his speed just seems to be a 953 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 2: little bit off. But he has great things. I mean 954 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 2: he's dense, balanced, big motor, strong push like you're saying 955 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 2: he for as big as he is, he's got really 956 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 2: nice as we called him earlier, those finesse moves like 957 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 2: the spins and the chops for his size. And I mean, yeah, 958 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 2: he had ten sacks in twenty twenty three, only five 959 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 2: this year. I'm curious as to why that dropped, and 960 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 2: it could just be the Texas barbecue. But I think 961 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 2: he's a good player. Again, we go back to it. 962 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 2: I think he's a good player. I know, like I 963 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 2: just said, is he slow? That's all relative, Like is 964 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 2: he slow compared to these guys We're about to talk 965 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 2: about Mike Green here soon, Like Mike Mike Green's going 966 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 2: to be a freak at the combine. So it's like, 967 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 2: is he slow? Is like that's a I just want 968 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 2: people to understand I'm not calling the dude slow. If 969 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 2: I ever meet him in person, I don't want him 970 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 2: to ever think that I was like, hey man, you're slow. 971 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 2: That's not what I mean. I mean for this class, right, 972 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 2: because he is he's a very good player. 973 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: Well especially can change like compared to like James Pearce 974 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: or Mike Green or you know Shamar Stewart who goes 975 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: Abdual Carter, Like those guys are really twitchy, really bursty, 976 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, in a different way. And again there's a 977 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: savviness and a physicality to him that you know, makes 978 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: me feel good about him. I feel like he's a 979 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: high floor player. And again, if he runs bad, if 980 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 1: he runs like a five to one, he's probably playing 981 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: three techniques. He's not going to be on the younger 982 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: as an edge rusher. But again, the physicality, the production 983 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: that kind of powerish your profile with the other stuff 984 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: in terms of finesse moves off of it makes you 985 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: feel really good about him long term in the NFL. 986 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 2: I'm gonna, okay, Logan, go with me on this. I'm 987 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 2: going to veer off path, but I promise I'll bring 988 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 2: it back. What what do you think the how many 989 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 2: of these guys do you think are going to go 990 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,479 Speaker 2: in like the top fifteen of this draft? A number? 991 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 2: Don't don't list the guys you think will go How 992 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 2: many edge rushers from this class you think will be 993 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 2: top fifteen this year. Okay, so we're now leading into 994 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,439 Speaker 2: your top three here, so you have Mike Green as 995 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 2: your three. I would say that the general consensus is 996 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 2: that Mike Green is easily a top fifteen pick. But 997 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 2: you just said without saying it, Mike Green's maybe not 998 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 2: a top fifteen pick for you. Why are you a 999 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 2: Mike Green hater? Logan explain yourself. 1000 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 1: Mike Green hater. That's strong man. So Mike Green, let 1001 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: me just say this before we get started about my 1002 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: Mike Green hate. That is so fun to watch on 1003 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: film because he plays with the I'm gonna say again, 1004 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: the urgency, the recklessness, the passion for the game. Right 1005 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: He's trying to make every single tackle. You watch him 1006 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: versus Ohio State, right those that's a that's a big school, 1007 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, obviously. And in the first half, man, he's 1008 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, chopping, he's ripping, he's spinning, he's running, he's 1009 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,839 Speaker 1: making pursuit tackles, he's physical on tight ends. It's all 1010 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,439 Speaker 1: the stuff you want to see. I think the one 1011 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: thing that sticks out to me is the level of 1012 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 1: confet outside the Ohuse State game. You know, he went 1013 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: to Marshall and they're playing offensive linemen that are not 1014 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: very good, and he looks like an absolute superhero on film, 1015 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,959 Speaker 1: like absolute superhero. And then you get to the Senior 1016 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: Bowl and everyone's talking about the Senior Bowl as an 1017 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: opportunity for him to show how dynamic he is, how 1018 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: twitched up he is, how you know, explosive he is. 1019 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: And he came and he showed a lot of that stuff. 1020 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: But then you go back and I charted all the 1021 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: one on ones, right, char on ones, he had four 1022 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: to one on ones. Okay, one of them was versus Connorley, 1023 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: right that everyone on there and the whole internet saw, right, 1024 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: they saw Connorley just get absolutely blown up, and everyone's like, 1025 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: this is it. He's a right if he's showing what 1026 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: he got to do. He has another rep versus connor 1027 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: Lee where he gets washed totally flat and doesn't look 1028 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 1: like he's even trying, and connor Ley is so unstressed. 1029 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: Right then, Jalen Travis from Iowa State, he's big fellas 1030 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: sixty seven long arms three sixty five are three forty 1031 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: five excuse me, forty five forty five inch thirty five 1032 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: inch arms, excuse me, does a great job and just 1033 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: locks him up like kicks to the spot, locks him up, 1034 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: He tries to spend, mirrors him Anthony Belton, our guy 1035 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,320 Speaker 1: who he just talked about how James s Pears Junior 1036 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: gave him fits when he was at Tennessee, locks him up, 1037 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 1: just sits in him, tries to mirror inside. Belton jumps down, 1038 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: kind of hops to stop and would win the rep. 1039 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: So of his four reps at the Senior Bowl, I 1040 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: would say three of them were definitive losses and one 1041 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: of them was a big win. So everyone talks about 1042 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: him kind of shooting up boards, and the only reason 1043 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 1: he should be shooting up boards, in my opinion, is 1044 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: because of how awesome his tape is. He's got amazing tape. 1045 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: He's got some of the best tape in this entire class. 1046 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 1: He can beat you, however, he wants spin inside outside, 1047 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: swipes inside outside, dip and rip inside outside. He got 1048 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 1: vertical juice. The one thing I am concerned about is 1049 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: when you watch him again versus Ohio State, He's going 1050 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: up against Josh Shimmins, who again we talked about as 1051 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: one of the best tackles in this class. Josh Shimmins 1052 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: looks like he's taking a nap. In pass protection with 1053 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: this guy right kicks to the spot, smears, locks him down, 1054 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: and he does it three or four times in the game. Now, 1055 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: the right tackle number seventy for Ole State has a 1056 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,359 Speaker 1: hard time with the speed. But like, how are you 1057 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: versus top flight talent? Right? I don't have a lot 1058 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: of questions about mikel Williams. I don't have a lot 1059 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: of questions about James. Like the question about James Pears 1060 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,880 Speaker 1: Junior is consistent effort, right. The question about Michael Williams 1061 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: is usage right, nix Sorrenton. I know that he can 1062 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: beat top flight pass protectors, right, Mike Green, I believe 1063 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: it because again your film is off the chain, but 1064 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: you have not shown me yet. And that's the thing 1065 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,479 Speaker 1: that gets me a little bit concerned about Mike Green 1066 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: and why I would say for me that he's maybe 1067 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: not a top fifteen pick. 1068 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 2: Logan, Mike Green is Bruce Lee. He's fast, quick, athletic 1069 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 2: as anyone you'll ever see. He's maybe undersized, right, he 1070 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,360 Speaker 2: don't care right, Like he's his hands are quick and fast. 1071 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 2: He's doing things that I haven't seen in a long 1072 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 2: time from a guy at his position. High motor, but 1073 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 2: here's the thing, right, what happens when Bruce Lee runs 1074 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 2: into Cliff Booth If anybody's ever seen Once upon a 1075 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 2: Time in Hollywood, Now, maybe Once upon a Time in 1076 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 2: Hollywood is a work of fiction, and that confrontation Cliff 1077 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,720 Speaker 2: Booth isn't real, and that depiction of Bruce Lee never happened. 1078 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 2: But what if it did? And that's my concern with 1079 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 2: Mike Lee, right Like, I want Bruce Lee on my team. 1080 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 2: I love Bruceley. I'm a big enter the Dragon fan, 1081 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,799 Speaker 2: loved watching it growing up, love everything about Bruce Lee. 1082 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 2: Honestly think he could whip a lot of people's asses, 1083 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,399 Speaker 2: right Like, I didn't think it was just show, right, 1084 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 2: Bruce Lee was good. Yeah, But what happens when you 1085 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 2: meet somebody who's bigger, stronger, and doesn't care about the 1086 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 2: rules of mixed martial arts or karate and just kung fu. 1087 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 2: He's gonna take a barstool right like and fight you dirty, 1088 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 2: right which these big dudes, I'm not saying they're dirty, 1089 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,280 Speaker 2: but I'm saying, like Josh Simmons, he's a big dude 1090 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 2: that doesn't care about your quick hands. He's just going 1091 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,320 Speaker 2: to put his big mits on you. And say good luck. Now, 1092 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 2: I think Mike Green is going to have a successful career. 1093 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I think Mike Green's gonna have a 1094 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 2: successful career. But you told me about the Senior Bowl thing. 1095 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 2: I bought into the hype of Mike Green blowing up 1096 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 2: Connolly on that play, and I want our fans if 1097 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 2: you don't believe logan right, there is YouTube clips of 1098 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,720 Speaker 2: every one on one for Mike Green. You can search 1099 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 2: Mike Green Senior Bowl and you will get every single 1100 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 2: one on one. Go watch it and see for yourself, 1101 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 2: because he has that big play, But there's also other 1102 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 2: ones where it's like, eh, okay. So that's my concern. 1103 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 2: That's it. That's my only concern. But I think he's 1104 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 2: Bruce Lee and I would love Bruce Lye on my team, 1105 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 2: And I honestly think that he also can grow into 1106 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 2: these things, right, he can learn how to use these things, 1107 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,880 Speaker 2: these excellent moves. He has to be effective against bigger, 1108 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,080 Speaker 2: stronger guys and higher level competition. So the only reason 1109 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,239 Speaker 2: I maybe sound like a Mike Green hater at the 1110 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,880 Speaker 2: end of the day is because I just don't think 1111 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 2: that the national media and what they're saying about him 1112 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 2: like top fifteen, he's ready to go. I think he's 1113 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 2: still developmental. He has a lot of tools in the 1114 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 2: finesse department, but I still think he's developmental. And you 1115 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,360 Speaker 2: have to understand if you're picking an edge rusher in 1116 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,280 Speaker 2: the top fifteen, top ten. Even I've seen some guys 1117 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 2: have him go in the top ten and mock drafts 1118 00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 2: like that's a that's a that's a lottery ticket, and 1119 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 2: you got to be careful, right, it's about value and 1120 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,840 Speaker 2: as you say, risk assessment assessment right, and risk is 1121 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 2: a version right, Like that's my thing with Mike Green. 1122 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,719 Speaker 2: I still think he may be the number two, number three, 1123 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 2: number four, number five best pass rusher. I don't know 1124 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 2: what vari stays today, but I wouldn't sit back and say, oh, 1125 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 2: he had a great play at the Senior Bowl and 1126 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,839 Speaker 2: he dominated at Marshall. So here's our number two guy. 1127 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's our third guy because his film 1128 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: is that good. I mean, it's it's incredible, man like, 1129 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 1: he's he's an absolute Yeah, he's an absolute maniac. Like 1130 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: running down screens, he's fitting runs, he's killing guards, he's 1131 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 1: getting quarterbacks like play action, pass his shot and shed stuff. 1132 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,479 Speaker 1: Is great, but you know, he has thirty two inch arms, 1133 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,240 Speaker 1: which is a little bit short for a pass rusher. 1134 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,919 Speaker 1: He's sixty three, he's two fifty, So again, the lack 1135 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,280 Speaker 1: of ideal length is something that's a little bit concerning. 1136 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, the film is, the film speaks for herself. 1137 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: It's just versus top flight guys. How are you going 1138 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: to look? And I think the other two guys in 1139 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,720 Speaker 1: the list just did better versus top flight competition, quite honestly. 1140 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,400 Speaker 2: And let's talk about him. Let's do your number two, 1141 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,400 Speaker 2: which is Shamar Stewart the other end at Texas A 1142 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 2: and M. 1143 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he was a guy that I first 1144 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 1: watched before the Senior Bowl and I was like, man, 1145 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 1: he's built in a lab. You know, he's six ' 1146 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: five and an eighth. He's two hundred and eighty two pounds, 1147 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: I want to say, and he's got thirty four thirty 1148 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: three and three force arms like he is a and 1149 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: he's built different, like he's jacked. And when you watch him, 1150 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: like he's big, he's got elite power, elite frame. He 1151 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: plays hard, like there was a play versus Mississippi State 1152 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 1: where the running back gets or they hit like a 1153 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: little shallow cross and it's going up the field. He 1154 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: from the defensive end spot after rushing the path, runs 1155 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: the receiver down and makes the tackle forty yards away. 1156 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: He comes out of the stack. On screens, he's you know, 1157 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,799 Speaker 1: blowing up stuff in the run game. And then at 1158 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, man, he just looked physically dominant amongst 1159 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: some of you know, Emery Jones my tenth tackle on 1160 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: the list, a guy that I really like. He made 1161 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: him look like he wasn't even on the field, right, 1162 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: Like he just big, strong, physical everything you want, mentality 1163 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: is right, frames right. The one thing that really sticks 1164 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,360 Speaker 1: out is there's a lack of technical development as a 1165 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 1: pass rusher. And how many secks did you have last year, 1166 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: Jason One? 1167 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's shocking one sack. 1168 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: So that's something again we talk about it on this 1169 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:42,239 Speaker 1: show all the time, athlete effort and production, and so 1170 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: the athlete and the effort are there. Like I love 1171 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,480 Speaker 1: his vibe. Like at the Senior Bowl he has this 1172 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: rep versu Emory Jones where he beats him off the edge, 1173 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: knocks the ball of the quarterback's hand, like yells to 1174 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: the crowd like like I'm him all this stuff going 1175 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,680 Speaker 1: crazy and like that. I like, I love that about him. 1176 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 1: But the production it just wasn't there to match the frame. 1177 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,359 Speaker 1: And I think that's I'm betting on the fact that 1178 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 1: that's a outlier not the rule. But yeah, man, love him, 1179 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 1: love the tape, love the effort just to productions that 1180 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:14,839 Speaker 1: all the way there. 1181 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was technically one and a half sack. 1182 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 2: But here's the thing, though, his tackles went up pretty 1183 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 2: pretty significantly, Like he had thirty one total tackles as 1184 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,680 Speaker 2: compared to eleven year before. Like, I think that he 1185 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 2: showed improvement in run stopping, and I think he's an 1186 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,320 Speaker 2: a plus run stopper. I think he has a good 1187 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 2: ability to shed off and chase down a play. And 1188 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 2: that is interesting because I look at some guys and 1189 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, the pass rush, that's kind of what 1190 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,720 Speaker 2: we care about all the time, especially at the top end, 1191 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,200 Speaker 2: or it seems like that's what we care about all 1192 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 2: the time. But this dude, this dude can stop the 1193 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 2: run like he can go. He's not just going to 1194 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 2: be well, you're just a pass rush specialist. Some of 1195 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 2: these guys on the list may be that when they 1196 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,439 Speaker 2: first come out, but it looks like he can be 1197 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560 Speaker 2: an every down player. To me, he looks like an 1198 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,040 Speaker 2: absolute monster in the run game. 1199 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,040 Speaker 1: No, I think that's exactly right. And he and he, 1200 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 1: they him and him in scord and they kind of 1201 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: move all around the front three technique five, technique four 1202 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: I defensive end, stand up rusher like they do it 1203 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,000 Speaker 1: all so but again, like he just is physically what 1204 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 1: you want at the position. He plays it with the 1205 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,400 Speaker 1: right mentality. Like you know, we talked about Femi all 1206 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 1: the day Joe from UCLA. Like, imagine Femi old day 1207 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,640 Speaker 1: Joe if he was two inches taller, thirty pounds heavier, 1208 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: and just like that's how he plays. And I love it. 1209 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: And to me, he's one of my favorite players, if 1210 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: not my favorite player in the draft. And again, the 1211 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 1: lack of production is a little bit alarming, but I'm 1212 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,480 Speaker 1: hoping that you get him with the right coach and 1213 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 1: you get him in the right situation and he figures 1214 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:51,439 Speaker 1: it out. 1215 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 2: Logan, it's time for the number one. I think this 1216 00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 2: is relatively consensus at this point amongst most people that 1217 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,440 Speaker 2: cover the draft, and I want you to compliment Sandwich. 1218 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 2: You're number one. Tell me why he's great. Why is 1219 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 2: the consensus? Why everyone's seen the same thing? Tell me, 1220 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,440 Speaker 2: like he is he like an absolute sure thing because 1221 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 2: you could go number two overall, there's some k mocks 1222 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 2: that have on that is going an absolute share thing. 1223 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,440 Speaker 2: And then if he's not, why and then end it 1224 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,120 Speaker 2: with but man, the team that gets him and maybe 1225 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,919 Speaker 2: it's the Commanders. You never know. I can dream being 1226 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 2: a Penn State guy, like why we would love him 1227 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,160 Speaker 2: when a team like this? So go go. 1228 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 1: Ahead, Yeah, so I think you're looking. And we just 1229 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,959 Speaker 1: talked about all these different guys and the past rush 1230 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,880 Speaker 1: ability and the size and the strength and how they 1231 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 1: play and all those different things. Abdu Carter has the 1232 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: best get off I have ever seen drafting, like watching 1233 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 1: defensive ends. His twitch, his burst, is explosiveness is absolutely 1234 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,120 Speaker 1: game changing from a past rush standpoint, like, he's not 1235 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 1: not even that refined as a pass rusher, it doesn't matter. 1236 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,040 Speaker 1: His ability to anticipate and explode out of his stance 1237 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: puts the tackle under pressure. Every single play he literally 1238 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 1: end up in a pass rushing situation. Not being a 1239 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,360 Speaker 1: good pass rusher affects passes every He watched the Notre 1240 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 1: Dame game the first ten dropbacks, he's getting pressures like 1241 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,400 Speaker 1: I would classify them as a pressure on the quarterback. 1242 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,959 Speaker 2: He's injured in that game too, he's playing hurt. 1243 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: His shoulders jacked up right, Yeah, and then his ability 1244 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,280 Speaker 1: to drop into space, cover grass, open his hips like 1245 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: he is incredibly unique as an athlete, like he can again, 1246 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,960 Speaker 1: not a huge library of pass rush moves, but it 1247 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,080 Speaker 1: doesn't even matter, Like you are, he is physically better 1248 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: than everybody else in this draft class from a get 1249 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,640 Speaker 1: off speed standpoint, Like it's not even close, Like not 1250 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 1: even close. And I don't know what it is. If 1251 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: it's how he anticipates the snap clown or if it's 1252 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,400 Speaker 1: just like he's physically wired to do that. He is 1253 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,000 Speaker 1: a special, special spell show football player. The negative thing 1254 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,360 Speaker 1: about him, I think his frame is a little bit slight. 1255 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 1: He does not have a full myriad of pass rush moves. 1256 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 1: He's only he's new to the position, so he's a 1257 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,680 Speaker 1: little bit raw, a little bit reckless at times with 1258 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,120 Speaker 1: his shoulders, specifically in terms of how he takes on 1259 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,720 Speaker 1: blocks and moves around. So I think that's that's the 1260 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: negative element to him. But dude, if by some like 1261 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 1: crazy circumstance, he ended up a Washington commander and he 1262 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: was I don't know, like you traded up for him 1263 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: or something like that. Like he is incredibly unique. He 1264 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 1: wears number eleven. He reminds me of Michael Parsons, that 1265 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,600 Speaker 1: same type of burst. He doesn't have that same strength necessarily, 1266 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:43,040 Speaker 1: but his burst is incredible, Like it's incredible. So that's 1267 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 1: why he's number one. 1268 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,560 Speaker 2: I just why why isn't he perfect? Is he perfect? 1269 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: No? I just said he's a little undersized, a little 1270 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: undersized little bit with his body, doesn't have a doesn't 1271 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: have a full you know, a library of pass rush 1272 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: moves because he relies so much on his get off 1273 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: of his explosiveness. But man like he is like he was. 1274 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 2: But you're saying things that feel like other than size. 1275 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 2: You're saying these are things that it's like, oh, well, 1276 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,080 Speaker 2: he's it doesn't have all these things yet, but it 1277 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,400 Speaker 2: seems like those are things he could learn and grow 1278 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 2: into and he's just kind of scratched a surface. Are 1279 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,120 Speaker 2: you saying that that's what makes him so special and unique? 1280 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 2: Is that even these negatives that you're seeing or not negatives, 1281 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,920 Speaker 2: but like, eh, like that that kind of thing that 1282 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 2: you've seen of them are like, oh, but that it's 1283 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 2: just that could go away. 1284 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,959 Speaker 1: It's just when you see a guy who can do 1285 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 1: what he does from a get off movement standpoint, like 1286 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 1: he's just he's he's starting a race five yards ahead 1287 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 1: of everybody else, and it doesn't matter how efficient you are, 1288 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 1: necessarily right, Like, there's a couple of times where you 1289 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 1: know he's playing this tackle from college, the tackle gets 1290 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 1: a good position, but he's able to kind of just 1291 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,919 Speaker 1: pull himself around run the edge, like just straight run 1292 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: around it, get a sack. So to me, the developmental 1293 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,240 Speaker 1: element of his game is almost a positive because he's 1294 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,240 Speaker 1: going to learn more, he's going to get better. But 1295 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 1: the frame is a little concerning because again he's got 1296 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: the shoulder injury. But again I think that shows competitive toughness. 1297 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: He plays through that injury. The whole game affects the game. 1298 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 1: So you said number two, I think he's a number 1299 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:12,720 Speaker 1: I think he's the first pick in the draft. He's 1300 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 1: the best player on my board right now. 1301 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 2: So like even with Travis Hunter out there. 1302 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely interesting. Yeah, his ability to affect 1303 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,600 Speaker 1: the game every single play is right at the forefront. 1304 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,320 Speaker 1: And you look at what an elite pass rusher can 1305 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 1: do for a defense. Go no further than Michael Parsons 1306 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 1: or Miles Garrett. And that's kind of the same sphere 1307 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about with this player. I don't know why, 1308 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,600 Speaker 1: how if you're Tennessee unless you're going quarterback, how you 1309 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,360 Speaker 1: don't take Abdull Carter at number one? 1310 01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I love hearing this Being a Penn 1311 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 2: State fan. I'm going to try and remove my confirmation 1312 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,480 Speaker 2: bias as a Penn Safe fan watching him, wanting to 1313 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,440 Speaker 2: think he's the greatest pass rusher I've ever seen in 1314 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,800 Speaker 2: my life. The things that I could see if they 1315 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,760 Speaker 2: were negative, if I could find him, and I was 1316 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,080 Speaker 2: thinking back to like just what I noticed when watching 1317 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 2: as a fan, Like I'd be like, ah, he doesn't 1318 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 2: always see what the blocking scheme is that's in front 1319 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,640 Speaker 2: of him. He's a tiny bit slow sometimes in dissecting 1320 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,439 Speaker 2: what the play is that's happening in front of him, 1321 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,680 Speaker 2: and bull rushes are hid and mess for him, and 1322 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 2: if he doesn't win them immediately, he'll slow down and go, Okay, 1323 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 2: I'll just wait for something to develop in front of 1324 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 2: me and then attack that. Now, that attack that is 1325 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 2: this is the best athlete that Penn State has seen 1326 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,720 Speaker 2: in a long time, right, Like, I love watching him play. 1327 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 2: I just love it. And I think he is going 1328 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 2: to be a I think immediately, he is going to 1329 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,200 Speaker 2: be an impact player for a team immediately. And it's 1330 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 2: one of those things where like his frame that you're 1331 01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,680 Speaker 2: talking about, like and we talked about it with and Green, right, Like, 1332 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,280 Speaker 2: there are guys that when you have this sort of 1333 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,479 Speaker 2: upper echelon athleticism, it doesn't always matter. And I want 1334 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 2: to think of like Will Anderson, right, smaller frame guy 1335 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,640 Speaker 2: but just didn't matter, doesn't matter, And like some guys 1336 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,760 Speaker 2: are just that elite with their athleticism and their twitchiness 1337 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 2: and what they can do physically, and then when they 1338 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,760 Speaker 2: start polishing up the techniques, it's just devastating. 1339 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,919 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And so yeah, he's a number one player 1340 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,280 Speaker 1: on my board as of right now, and I'm going 1341 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: to watch more Travis Hunter, but right now, like he's 1342 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,480 Speaker 1: the guy, and there's a reason because he's crazy explosive, 1343 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 1: he's crazy twitchy, he's crazy competitive, and I think the 1344 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 1: sky's a little bit for him from an athletic standpoint. Now, 1345 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: interview's got to go well, all that kind of stuff. 1346 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a special football player. 1347 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 2: All right, here we go for the nerds. It's that 1348 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,560 Speaker 2: time again. We're going to do this every time we 1349 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,960 Speaker 2: do top tens or top whatever at every position. I 1350 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 2: want you to give me two words describe players. We're 1351 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,760 Speaker 2: going to talk about some extras, some pass rushers that 1352 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 2: you watched, and it's like, just keep an eye on them. 1353 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,680 Speaker 2: They're going to be later round guys. They're maybe not eleven, twelve, thirteen, 1354 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,560 Speaker 2: fourteen to fifteen on your list, or just guys that 1355 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,760 Speaker 2: kind of stood out. Maybe they're third round guys, fourth 1356 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,640 Speaker 2: round guys, fifth round guys. Maybe they're even seventh or 1357 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,880 Speaker 2: undrafted free agents at some point. But it's like, man, 1358 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,919 Speaker 2: this guy, there's just something about them. I saw a trait, 1359 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 2: two traits that raise an eyebrow for me. And I'm 1360 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,800 Speaker 2: going to start. You have on your list here Jared 1361 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,360 Speaker 2: Ivy from Old Miss. 1362 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that Ole Miss defensive line was pretty incredible with 1363 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 1: prince Ly o'maniela right, also from Old Miss. He's the opposite. 1364 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,760 Speaker 1: He's six six, he's two eighty five, he's got thirty 1365 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,320 Speaker 1: three and a quarter in charms, Like big dude, kind 1366 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,080 Speaker 1: of again great in the run game, great instincts, a 1367 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,160 Speaker 1: little bit sluggish, but has like this nice basketball kind 1368 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 1: of lazy guy, old man fluidity where he's able to 1369 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: get by pass rushers yet or pass protector of the 1370 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 1: eight sacks last year inside outside really impressed them at 1371 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,600 Speaker 1: the senior bawl like this college tape. A lot worry 1372 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: about the work ethic and the drive, but man, is 1373 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,760 Speaker 1: he physically Is he impressive? And I think he could 1374 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,080 Speaker 1: be a really positive impact inside or outside for a 1375 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:09,960 Speaker 1: bunch of different teams. 1376 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,600 Speaker 2: Hey a guy that has a variety of pass rush 1377 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,920 Speaker 2: moves and is twitched up at least I thought, is 1378 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,840 Speaker 2: Donovan as Araku from moist in College? Tell me about him? 1379 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,040 Speaker 1: To Donovan as Araku, I really wanted badly to get 1380 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,960 Speaker 1: him in this list. But again, great length, thirty four 1381 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,680 Speaker 1: inch arms, he's sixty two, a little undersize, but great bend, 1382 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,520 Speaker 1: great physicality. There are times where I think he gets 1383 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: eaten up by larger pass rush, by larger pass protectors, 1384 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,640 Speaker 1: and I worry about him in the run game, But dude, 1385 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 1: he's got the juice man, and I think you'll see 1386 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,800 Speaker 1: him in a lot of people's top one hundred, Top 1387 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 1: probably seventy five type player in my opinion. So for me, 1388 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 1: he would be the eleventh guy, tenth or eleventh guy 1389 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,200 Speaker 1: on my list. Like, I really went back and forth 1390 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,360 Speaker 1: a lot. Love his ability to play like that spinner 1391 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: kind of like rushing over the nose, rushing over a guard. 1392 01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Got a great feel for a pass rush. Worry a 1393 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: little bit. But the reason he didn't make my list 1394 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: about his top end closing speed. I think he can 1395 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,920 Speaker 1: win as a rusher, but I'm not sure if he 1396 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:10,280 Speaker 1: can close to a more athletic quarterback, but great football player. 1397 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:15,040 Speaker 1: Size concerns, closing speed concerns, But as a rusher man, 1398 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't get much better than him. 1399 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,160 Speaker 2: Hey, logan from Ohio State is Jack Sawyer, And to me, 1400 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,880 Speaker 2: he's a what you see is what you get kind 1401 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,960 Speaker 2: of a guy, very savvy. Tell me what you saw 1402 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:26,599 Speaker 2: from him? 1403 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack Sawyer. I've seen a lot of people have 1404 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,200 Speaker 1: him as the top forty player and I just didn't 1405 01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: get it. So, Like, he plays really hard, he's physical, 1406 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,360 Speaker 1: he's instinctive, all those different things, but it looks like 1407 01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,240 Speaker 1: he's got short arms and it looks like like he 1408 01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,519 Speaker 1: lacks top flight athleticism. So for me, I was like, 1409 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't under I don't really understand like where the 1410 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,800 Speaker 1: value is. Again, he plays hard, but I think there's 1411 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,240 Speaker 1: guys that we've talked about who play harder. Like he's 1412 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 1: got good instincts, but I think there's guys that are 1413 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,639 Speaker 1: more instinctive, and sometimes I think guys get caught up 1414 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,599 Speaker 1: in drafting the helmet a little bit. And you see 1415 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,559 Speaker 1: the big play that he had the National Championship with 1416 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,360 Speaker 1: the interception, and he's a guy to me that I 1417 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: think will go very high because the consensus seems to 1418 01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,800 Speaker 1: be very high in him. But maybe I got to 1419 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,880 Speaker 1: watch more film. So if you're a Jack Sawyer fan, 1420 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,559 Speaker 1: leave a comment, tell me why I'm wrong. But he's 1421 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,160 Speaker 1: a guy that I'm a little on the fence about 1422 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,360 Speaker 1: and I don't understand why he's getting all this like 1423 01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,760 Speaker 1: top forty five buzz and. 1424 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,799 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this every time. You mentioned 1425 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,280 Speaker 2: it in the podcast at some point, but you mentioned like, 1426 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,519 Speaker 2: because you can't change it, right, you either got long 1427 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,240 Speaker 2: arms or you got short arms. And you're saying, like, 1428 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,080 Speaker 2: he looks like he's got some short arms. Why does 1429 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:29,479 Speaker 2: that matter? 1430 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,519 Speaker 1: It matters because it like these past protectors are huge man. 1431 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,519 Speaker 1: They've you know, the minimum threshold's like thirty three and 1432 01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,760 Speaker 1: a half inch arms, and so these big dudes, these 1433 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,479 Speaker 1: heavy guys, especially in the NFL, who are good athletes, 1434 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,360 Speaker 1: better athletes, and you can reach out and touch you 1435 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,639 Speaker 1: before you can touch them, like they're going to eat 1436 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,679 Speaker 1: you up. They'll mess around, man. So I just don't 1437 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,400 Speaker 1: know if I saw like enough elevation, like like we 1438 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, James Pearce Junior, Michael Williams, you 1439 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 1: know Landon Jackson, any of these guys Ola deejo Oli, 1440 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,680 Speaker 1: like there was a they're at a level now, but 1441 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,519 Speaker 1: they have the physical traits to keep developing. And I 1442 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,880 Speaker 1: just worry that Jack Sawyer is kind of maxed out, 1443 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, because he doesn't look like his longest arms. 1444 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Not the greatest athlete in the world, and most people 1445 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,240 Speaker 1: who talk to will acknowledge that they're banking on the 1446 01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,519 Speaker 1: foot ball like you to get them. To me, that's 1447 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,000 Speaker 1: a big lift to him for him to take that 1448 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,400 Speaker 1: next step at the NFL level. 1449 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,360 Speaker 2: All Right, we only have a couple more next up. 1450 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,320 Speaker 2: As Jordan Birch from Oregon. 1451 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 1: This was the most frustrating watch for me of anybody 1452 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,240 Speaker 1: in this group. He is maybe the most physically gifted 1453 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,840 Speaker 1: guy on this list. He's listed at six ' six 1454 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,799 Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty five two hundred ninety five pounds. 1455 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Depending on where you watch him, there are times where 1456 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: you see him play with elite power, like knocking people 1457 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,679 Speaker 1: on their asses, like totally smoking offensive lineman, compressing the pocket, 1458 01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,439 Speaker 1: taking on blockers and pullers, and see him dropping into 1459 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,799 Speaker 1: space like a dB. However, the effort is not consistent. 1460 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,439 Speaker 1: Like I called someone at Oregon and it was like, 1461 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,000 Speaker 1: what's the deal with him? It's like when he wants 1462 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,920 Speaker 1: to be he is any in any situation. He's the 1463 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,040 Speaker 1: most athletic, best football player on the field, five star recruit, 1464 01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,720 Speaker 1: and it looks to me like every he has just 1465 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,720 Speaker 1: been the best player his entire life. He hasn't really 1466 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,840 Speaker 1: cultivated a myriad of pass rush moves like he plays 1467 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,880 Speaker 1: inside outside. He's a bigger body guy obviously, but for me, 1468 01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,920 Speaker 1: like the athleticism, the physicality, it's there. It's just the 1469 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 1: consistency and the passion and the want to so like 1470 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,920 Speaker 1: I just saw a list today where he's a he's 1471 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,599 Speaker 1: a top fifty player, and I get why, but I'm 1472 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: also like he seems like a guy that could get 1473 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,679 Speaker 1: you fired, right because he is so talented, but he's 1474 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 1: not going to give it everything he's got all the time. 1475 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:38,960 Speaker 1: And so I just feel like I had to bring 1476 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,000 Speaker 1: him up because again, the measurables, the athleticism, the movement 1477 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,640 Speaker 1: skills are all there, but just a frustrating because you 1478 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 1: don't see it all the time, and you're just like, 1479 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,320 Speaker 1: why can't you do this you're physically capable of doing 1480 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:51,519 Speaker 1: all the time. Why don't we see it more? 1481 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's just what I saw. He looks like 1482 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,360 Speaker 2: a souped up F one fifty, right, He's just he's explosive, 1483 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,120 Speaker 2: but every now and then, like it seems like his 1484 01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,320 Speaker 2: gas is on empty, Like that's what it looks like 1485 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,040 Speaker 2: to me. Like it's just here's this big soup up 1486 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,439 Speaker 2: F one fifty that rolls up and it's like got 1487 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,519 Speaker 2: a four cylinder engine in it when you pop the hood. 1488 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,760 Speaker 2: And I don't know why that is. I'm not going 1489 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,000 Speaker 2: to say it's effort or not. I don't know. But 1490 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,880 Speaker 2: there are times where like he he gets tossed around. 1491 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,599 Speaker 2: You see it. Why you're huge, right, he doesn't play 1492 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,599 Speaker 2: the run game. Well, why you're explosive, Like I there's 1493 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,759 Speaker 2: something off. I don't I'm not gonna say it's effort 1494 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,479 Speaker 2: because I don't know, but I will say that there 1495 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,720 Speaker 2: is something there that I think that interviews and the 1496 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,840 Speaker 2: combine is going to be absolutely critical for him. 1497 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I totally agree. I think that. I think the 1498 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,439 Speaker 1: f one fifty example is crazy. It's all there, it 1499 01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,200 Speaker 1: looks great, but it's like, bro, why not all the time? 1500 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,200 Speaker 1: Like I was watching the Him versus Ohio State and 1501 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,200 Speaker 1: it's like he's blowing people up, and you're like, he 1502 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,559 Speaker 1: has a sequence where he's a sequence where he's atographer 1503 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,839 Speaker 1: loss a sack and pressure and basically forces a punt 1504 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,120 Speaker 1: and then doesn't do anything for the rest of the half, 1505 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,599 Speaker 1: and you're kind of like why why not? Like why 1506 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,880 Speaker 1: are we not doing that? More so, it's He's an 1507 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,799 Speaker 1: interesting watch, but physically a freak from Morgan. 1508 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,599 Speaker 2: The next one is from Texas, Baron Sorel. I think 1509 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,880 Speaker 2: I'm seeing that right b A R R Y N 1510 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,360 Speaker 2: Baron bar Run. Maybe the Baron Sorrel from Texas. 1511 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so a guy that is not exceptional in any 1512 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,439 Speaker 1: kind of physical measurement. He's six four, he's two fifty five, 1513 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of right down the middle. But a guy that 1514 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: is just a good football player. Man. I think he 1515 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,040 Speaker 1: really stood out to the Senior Bowl, went and watched 1516 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: his tape. Has kind of a bunch of different ways 1517 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,599 Speaker 1: to beat you understands pass, rushing out a high level, 1518 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,639 Speaker 1: plays hard, good physicality. Again, he's not a name that's 1519 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna like, you know, he's not Jordan Birch. Where he 1520 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:48,920 Speaker 1: comes off the bus, You're like, oh my god, look 1521 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,960 Speaker 1: at this guy. He's just a solid, good football player. 1522 01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,240 Speaker 1: And there are there are his tremendous value to those guys, 1523 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,920 Speaker 1: especially you know, third fourth round range for the commanders, 1524 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,000 Speaker 1: like I'd be stoked if he was a Washington commander. 1525 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,799 Speaker 2: And speaking of stoked, if guys could be a Washington commander. 1526 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,280 Speaker 2: The last one is Savion Jones from LSU Logan. I'm 1527 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,040 Speaker 2: going to say this. I enjoyed watching him because he's big, 1528 01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:17,320 Speaker 2: and he loves violent contact and even he wants it right, 1529 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,040 Speaker 2: he invites it. That's why I love it. So tell 1530 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,639 Speaker 2: me a little bit about Savion Jones. 1531 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,559 Speaker 1: I think we see it exactly the same way. Man. 1532 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,479 Speaker 1: He's a big, violent human. He runs and finishes to 1533 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,599 Speaker 1: the football and the floor to that player is tremendously high. 1534 01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,160 Speaker 1: Right he just you can tell he likes football, he 1535 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,840 Speaker 1: likes contact. He's violent, he's relatively intuitive. He's stiff. He's 1536 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,960 Speaker 1: a stiff human being. Like he's big. He's kind of 1537 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,360 Speaker 1: got like this, you know, like lurch type of running style, 1538 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,000 Speaker 1: but likes he gets to where he's got to go. 1539 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,400 Speaker 1: Like he watched a Senior Bowl game, he's running running 1540 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 1: backs down from behind. He gets a sack and a 1541 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,599 Speaker 1: half because he's just finishing to the football like the Florida. 1542 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 1: A player like that is big. He could probably play inside, 1543 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: play outside. But I really liked him at the Senior Bowl. 1544 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,000 Speaker 1: I liked his tape because it's exactly the same player 1545 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,120 Speaker 1: that you saw at the Senior Bowl. And so again, 1546 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,680 Speaker 1: high floor, high effort player that again may never be 1547 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,519 Speaker 1: your top flight pass rusher the way that some of 1548 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,120 Speaker 1: these guys are, but there's no question that he'll be 1549 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,719 Speaker 1: a first and second down rotational piece minimum In the end. 1550 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 2: Logan, we did it. We talked about a ton of 1551 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,439 Speaker 2: edge rushers. This is a great class. I love the 1552 01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,600 Speaker 2: depth of it. Like I said, there's Abdul Carter and 1553 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,160 Speaker 2: there's a couple guys at the top. That's Abdul Carter 1554 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:28,920 Speaker 2: is a blue tripper. There's a couple guys at the 1555 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,400 Speaker 2: top that are going to be very good pros. I'm 1556 01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,479 Speaker 2: just I'm super excited about the edge rushers, watching them 1557 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,920 Speaker 2: at the combine and moving through this process, and I 1558 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,880 Speaker 2: have a sneaking suspicion that at somewhere in the draft, 1559 01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,240 Speaker 2: this is going to be a position that the Commanders 1560 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,800 Speaker 2: are targeting. So I think one of the guys we 1561 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,920 Speaker 2: talked about or that we were going to be watching 1562 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,240 Speaker 2: in the next couple of months is going to be 1563 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,920 Speaker 2: a commander. And I can't wait, because this is a 1564 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,680 Speaker 2: good class. This is a good class. 1565 01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great class. Maybe the peak, you know, outside 1566 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,479 Speaker 1: the two guys you know, should we Stuart and Abdell Carter. 1567 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of good football players 1568 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:05,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are going to impact your 1569 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,439 Speaker 1: team right now. And yeah, so I definitely think this 1570 01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,439 Speaker 1: is somewhere where the Washington Commanders could get a lot 1571 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:12,200 Speaker 1: of really good value. 1572 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,599 Speaker 2: Hey fans, we love your comments, we do, we really 1573 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,360 Speaker 2: love them. Tell us who you want to us to 1574 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,920 Speaker 2: evaluate next, what position? Tell us what you thought of 1575 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,960 Speaker 2: our takes if you like them, if you don't like them, 1576 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,320 Speaker 2: I'm just a guy. So if you say my takes 1577 01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,880 Speaker 2: are terrible, you're probably right. I don't know what I'm 1578 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,640 Speaker 2: talking about. I'm just watching football. But if you want 1579 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,960 Speaker 2: to get on Logan, I'm sure Logan would love to 1580 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,040 Speaker 2: hear what your opinions are. Logan, you're excellent at this. 1581 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,880 Speaker 2: By the way. I love listening to you and doing 1582 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,240 Speaker 2: these shows with you because I learn a lot. And 1583 01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,240 Speaker 2: one of the things that I said with my just 1584 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,880 Speaker 2: a guy whateverisms is I said, there was a guy 1585 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,240 Speaker 2: last week in O line who stares at his assignments, 1586 01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,080 Speaker 2: and we got a good comment about that and said, hey, 1587 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,240 Speaker 2: that may be an easy fix. So Garon missing Berg said, 1588 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,880 Speaker 2: for a player that has a problem with staring at assignments, 1589 01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,559 Speaker 2: why couldn't you just throw a dark visor on and 1590 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,599 Speaker 2: now you're not watching his eyes anymore, And that could 1591 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,960 Speaker 2: be a solution to a problem. And I texted you 1592 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,280 Speaker 2: about that and I was like, actually, that's a pretty 1593 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,760 Speaker 2: creative solution. I'm not mad at it. So Logan, you 1594 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,680 Speaker 2: played in the NFL for ten years. You were a 1595 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,360 Speaker 2: tight end, so you had to get up there with 1596 01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,280 Speaker 2: the big uglies and block some guys. Could you've just 1597 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,240 Speaker 2: thrown on a dark visor and still stared down assignments? 1598 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 2: Would that have worked for you? And why not? 1599 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 1: So a couple of things. One with a dark vice, 1600 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,120 Speaker 1: you can't wear them anymore in the NFL unless you 1601 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,240 Speaker 1: get a medical exemption. So people used to wear them 1602 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,519 Speaker 1: all the time when I first got in, But because 1603 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,800 Speaker 1: of the concussion risk, they need to be able to 1604 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,760 Speaker 1: evaluate you through the helmet. They've basically made it impossible 1605 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,920 Speaker 1: to get a dark visor now. So that's one thing 1606 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,040 Speaker 1: for the NFL that would make that very challenging. However, 1607 01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,639 Speaker 1: in addition to the eye looking, most of the time 1608 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,920 Speaker 1: you're looking at stripes. So what I mean by that 1609 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,360 Speaker 1: is like you get the stripe down the middle of 1610 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,360 Speaker 1: the helmet, and that's a thing that's tipping you off. 1611 01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,560 Speaker 1: So sometimes like guys will lean a little bit and 1612 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,080 Speaker 1: their head, their whole head will turn a little bit, 1613 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,160 Speaker 1: and you'll kind of see the whole stripe kind of 1614 01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,400 Speaker 1: go in the direction. So I think this is this 1615 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,080 Speaker 1: sounds to me like more of a coaching thing, like 1616 01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,280 Speaker 1: just like hey man, you know, like keep your stripe 1617 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,880 Speaker 1: facing forward and then you can use your eyes and 1618 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,840 Speaker 1: your periphera to track the pieces that you need to 1619 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,960 Speaker 1: track in terms of blocking assignment. And again, there are 1620 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,439 Speaker 1: some really good defensive players that like as you're walking 1621 01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,599 Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, they're looking at your eyes 1622 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 1: because you tend to kind of pre evaluate where the 1623 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,040 Speaker 1: defense is and they get really good at that. That's 1624 01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 1: a whole different battle of wax. We can talk about 1625 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:37,960 Speaker 1: it another time, but I think right now, to me, 1626 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,120 Speaker 1: it's just keeping your head nice and neutral up the 1627 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: field and making sure that we emphasize that from a 1628 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,679 Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, because the dark visor, while a great idea, 1629 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,280 Speaker 1: does not handle the stripe and is now illegal. So 1630 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,519 Speaker 1: can't do that, kids. 1631 01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,960 Speaker 2: He can't do it. But I loved that comment because 1632 01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,040 Speaker 2: it made me time go man, that's out of the 1633 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,080 Speaker 2: bucks thinking and I love it. So thanks Logan. I 1634 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,439 Speaker 2: appreciate you breaking that down for me and for our 1635 01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,400 Speaker 2: guy Gary. All Right, fans, thanks so much for listening Logan. 1636 01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,960 Speaker 2: Why don't you sign us off. We'll be back with 1637 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,320 Speaker 2: another one next week. And also, if audio was a 1638 01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,360 Speaker 2: little off today, guys, bear with us. We had the 1639 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,559 Speaker 2: snow when we were recording this. We were not in 1640 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,439 Speaker 2: our normal podcast studio to record, so I tried to 1641 01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,200 Speaker 2: set this up remotely for Logan, and I so appreciate 1642 01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,919 Speaker 2: if the audio quality is not as great as it 1643 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,160 Speaker 2: normally as I appreciate guys just bearing with us. We'll 1644 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,599 Speaker 2: be back in studio soon, I promise, So, Logan, why 1645 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 2: don't you sign us off? 1646 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much for listening. Please make sure you 1647 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,040 Speaker 1: like to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. We enjoy 1648 01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,280 Speaker 1: the comments, please keep leaving those, and yeah, if you 1649 01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,040 Speaker 1: have questions about specific prospects, please make sure you leave 1650 01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,759 Speaker 1: those in there as well. Thanks so much for joining 1651 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,800 Speaker 1: in and tuning in with us and being with us 1652 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:52,120 Speaker 1: on this pre combined post combine draft journey. But that's 1653 01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:53,040 Speaker 1: going to do it for today's show.