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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Carol Marco Woods Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Ari Ackerman. Ari is a successful

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Speaker 1: serial entrepreneur, one of my favorite apps, Bunk one among them,

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Speaker 1: a philanthropist, owner of the Miami Marlins, and a powerful

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Speaker 1: social media influencer, which is how I first got to

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Speaker 1: see his work and learn about him. So nice to

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Speaker 1: have you on, Ari.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Carol. Pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: So I have to start with Bunk one because Bunk

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Speaker 1: one really revolutionized the way parents communicate with their kids

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Speaker 1: at sleepaway camp. And for those who don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: really an essential app. I used it all summer long

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Speaker 1: while my kids were away. What's the story behind it?

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Speaker 1: Was it your idea or were you an investor? How

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Speaker 1: did it come to be?

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Speaker 2: Now, it was my idea, started it from scratch. One

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Speaker 2: of those great entrepreneurial stories. I was a ground a

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Speaker 2: business school at Northwestern and I literally wrote a business

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Speaker 2: plan for a private equity class. And I'll make the

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Speaker 2: story short, but we had a presentation to the Chicago

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Speaker 2: based venture capitalists back a long time ago, and the

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Speaker 2: idea was they were going to fund the company right,

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Speaker 2: they were going to make sure. They told me how

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Speaker 2: brilliant I was and everything was gonna be great, right.

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Speaker 2: They told me it was the worst idea ever had

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Speaker 2: ever heard in their entire live true story, and I'd

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Speaker 2: be doing I remember this line, I'd be doing a

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Speaker 2: disservice to myself and my school if I started Bunk one.

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Speaker 2: So I got really drunk that day and I went

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Speaker 2: to the Cubs game and sat in the bleachers and

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Speaker 2: Wrigley Field. If you ever done that, it's a great experience,

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Speaker 2: and realized that this was something I wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: And literally a week later, we had graduated from Northwestern

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Speaker 2: from calagg and I was in my car driving around

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Speaker 2: the country, visiting camps and just pitching the idea, which

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Speaker 2: was essentially making my first introductions into the world, making

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Speaker 2: my first friends, and they became my first clients. And

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Speaker 2: literally a year and a half later, I was live

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Speaker 2: on CNN my idea to the you know, because it

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Speaker 2: already had blown up because parents, as you know very well,

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Speaker 2: when their kids are away at camp, they live for

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Speaker 2: those pictures. And that's where Bunk one introduced into the world.

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Speaker 2: We introduced this idea of staying connected in a one

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Speaker 2: way window to your child when they're away at camp

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Speaker 2: for the first time, and then sending those bunknes the

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Speaker 2: emails in printed out for the kids, and it became

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Speaker 2: a great company that I ran for about eighteen years.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant and it's so obvious. But you didn't have

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Speaker 1: kids when you started this, did you?

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Speaker 2: Definitely not? As a young guy, How did.

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Speaker 1: You, like, where do you come up with that? Like

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Speaker 1: I understand if you're a parent, you're like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: wish there was something for me to communicate with my

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Speaker 1: a parent, where did this come from?

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Speaker 2: I was raised by Jewish mom. This is the most

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Speaker 2: obvious idea of all time for Jewish kids like that,

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Speaker 2: as you know, we would do anything for our children.

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Speaker 2: Now that I do have children, and I kind of

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Speaker 2: knew that, and I loved summer camp, so I always

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Speaker 2: wanted to be an entrepreneur. And then when I was

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Speaker 2: in graduate school, I'm like, wait, there's no technology yet

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Speaker 2: in summer camps. I can be that guy that brings

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Speaker 2: do it on their own, they couldn't afford to do

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Speaker 2: it on their own. Incidentally, as well. It was a

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Speaker 2: mom and pop type of industry. So here I was

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Speaker 2: this guy driving around the country as I described, pitching

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Speaker 2: this idea of bringing technology into camps, and it was,

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Speaker 2: you know, almost immediately well received. Once they realized who

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Speaker 2: I was. They made that personal connection. And that first

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Speaker 2: summer when we had about fifty camps using the online

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Speaker 2: photo gallery, Missus Cohen told mister Shapiro the pictures of

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Speaker 2: and then we blew up almost the second year like

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Speaker 2: so smart camps right away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really brilliant. So why the Marlins? How did

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Speaker 1: that happen?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So I ran bunk one for about seventeen

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Speaker 2: years and I ended up selling the company in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: And very soon after I got a call actually from

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Speaker 2: Northwestern said, Ari, I had this I have this business

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Speaker 2: Yankee fan as well. I know, Carol, you were well.

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Speaker 2: I call myself kind of a former Yankee fan, you know,

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Speaker 2: but okay, okay, and you know, and the guy who

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Speaker 2: that's very you know, it's something it's interesting as well,

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Speaker 2: all right. Manager by the way at the time was

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Speaker 2: Don Mattingly, So there were a lot of Yankee connections

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Speaker 2: to the Marlins as well. But for me, I didn't

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Speaker 2: Like you asked about the Yankees before, I couldn't afford

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Speaker 1: Right, maybe you know, maybe we'll own both eventually. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that, actually, oh you can't.

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, only on one team at a time, but

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Speaker 2: even as a minority player. But but yeah, So it

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Speaker 2: major financial investment. So it was like, Hi, I'm in

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Speaker 2: you know, right. It was a deal that I looked

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Speaker 2: the city of Miami, which I love so much, made

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Speaker 1: So I first learned of who you are because of

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Speaker 1: your Instagram videos, and you're very outspoken on a lot

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Speaker 1: And you know, there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: came to that after October seventh. But as I was

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Speaker 1: researching you for this interview, your activism didn't start on

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Speaker 1: October seventh. You were pretty into it well before that.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair to say?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been a very loud and proud Jew.

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Speaker 2: I did even though I was speaking before October seventh,

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Speaker 2: you know, in front of the Chancellor of Quni, who

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Speaker 2: let a graduation speaker go in you very antisemitic, and

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Speaker 2: we were out there yelling and not in it, you know,

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. What changed though for me October seventh

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Speaker 2: is you just described as my Instagram though I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: on Instagram before about sixteen months ago. Somebody said to me,

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Speaker 2: if you're doing all these speeches, you're reaching three four

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Speaker 2: what's real? And I mean, you know, I used to

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Speaker 2: And so it was a way to reach a wider

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Speaker 2: think is a very very important message, especially in this

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Speaker 2: And I'm doing at least my part because I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: you know, and your very friendly thought podcast, but we're

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Speaker 2: it gets worse every day all or not even just

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Speaker 1: So what made you get into this kind of activism.

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Speaker 1: You could have taken a safe route and gotten into

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Speaker 1: like climate change, hunger, you know, just you could you

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Speaker 1: could have done something one of the philanthropist things that

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Speaker 1: some people do, where you're not going to be attacked,

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Speaker 1: You're not going to have hateful comments, You're you're going

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, listen, there are a lot of important

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Speaker 2: change and you know, poverty, all the things that we

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Speaker 2: all should be fighting against. But for me, I have

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Speaker 2: Zionism and to my Jewishness. I was raised by my mom,

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Speaker 2: who I lost about twelve years ago, who just instilled

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Speaker 2: in me and my sister this incredible Jewish values of

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Speaker 2: And my grandfather, who is really a legend amongst the

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Speaker 2: give and give again and give even more and always

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Speaker 2: be a proud Zionist and a proud Jew. So it

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Speaker 2: And it's a very precarious situation for them as a

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to make sure they can wear Yamica.

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Speaker 2: We're not religious, but they can wear Yamaica what they want.

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Speaker 1: So there's always these polling numbers that show that Jewish

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Speaker 1: in huge numbers, but the headlines are always very sensationalist.

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Speaker 1: How do you kind of maintain in your home, or

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Speaker 1: how are you teaching your kids to follow in your footsteps.

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Speaker 1: I know they're quite young, so maybe not quite yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worry about it all the time.

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Speaker 1: I have a fifteen, twelve, and nine, and they're very

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Speaker 1: pro Israel, They're very into their Jewish identity. But look,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's definitely something that.

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Speaker 2: Concerns me, turns me every second of the day. But

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Speaker 2: I've also seen polls where ninety percent of Jews, even

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Speaker 2: ninety five percent are Zionists or at least lean Zionists.

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Speaker 2: And to me, that gives me hope that there is

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Speaker 2: every day, I fight because like you and your children,

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure my children feel that strong

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So you came up

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Speaker 2: It's really my children, It's the future of the Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: Future existential right, Existential concerns more than anything else right now.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you got peer pressures and for sure,

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Speaker 1: Go to the parties and be true to yourself. I

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Speaker 2: By the way, whoever knows me knows how true those

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Speaker 1: So well, I've loved this conversation. I think your voice

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Speaker 1: here with your best best tip for my listeners on

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Speaker 2: How they can improve their lives. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: goals because it keeps you focused on doing things and

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Speaker 2: it keeps you, you know, nicely aggressive about how you

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Speaker 2: as kind of we've described in the last twenty one minutes,

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Speaker 2: like do the hard stuff. Don't just do the easy stuff,

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Speaker 2: do the hard stuff. You will feel better about yourself

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Speaker 2: if you are out there challenging yourself and you're out

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Speaker 2: there doing things that make you even a little bit

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable again, all legal, all good, being nice, but like.

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Speaker 1: This is a show about doing legal things. Guess legal

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Speaker 1: things exactly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I've said.

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Speaker 1: That a few times, you just to reiterate, don't do

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Speaker 1: anything illegal.

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Speaker 2: I'ven't ever done anything illegal in my life. So it's

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Speaker 2: like funny though, even say, but challenge yourself, do the

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Speaker 2: Others will look up to you more. And it's just

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Speaker 2: it's just a better way to live. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you have all this like instant gratification in

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Speaker 2: appreciate the delayed gratification, Appreciate the things that like you're

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Speaker 2: doing right now that will make your life better, your

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Speaker 2: children's life better in the future. And it's just, you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't have enough of that right now. I need

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Speaker 2: that instant two second yeah, whatever it is. And it's just,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's it's making us all nuts. Like do

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Speaker 2: things that are are more long term right now, like

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Speaker 2: fighting for the Jewish people, which I hope I do

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Speaker 2: in a good way right now.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Do the hard thing, set goals, wake

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Speaker 1: up and do it. Thank you so much. He's Ari Ackerman.

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Speaker 1: Check out his Instagram. It's really excellent. Follow him there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Ari for coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Carol, this was awesome. Appreciate