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Like a referee with the whistle. 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 5: Chris Paul has retired from the NBA after twenty one seasons. 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 5: He was famously sent home by the Los Angeles Clippers 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 5: at the end of last year because he was beefing 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 5: with Tylo wasn't speaking to him. They had just had 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 5: enough to hear with him, so they sent him home. 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 5: They traded him unceremoniously to the Raptors about a week 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 5: and a half ago. 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 6: The Raptors tried to reroute him. 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 5: They couldn't, so they waived him and then Chris Paul 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 5: was like, you know what, rather than hang on for whatever, 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 5: last twenty five games of the season. Let me just 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 5: call it a career CP three, the point guard retired. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: And Kelvin At this point, there's waves of going out 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: twenty one years in the NBA, and you know, we 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: always talk about it, is it good luck or good 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: riddance for Chris Paul? I think is good riddance? Stuck 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: around too long? The way he was dumped in a 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: place that you know, this lob city, and he had 31 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: all this love. He was coming back to go out 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: a certain way right and have people feel good about 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: him and all that. He lost that because of whatever 34 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: shenanigans that he did with the Clippers to turn people 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: off to him. And I'm just being honest. I've covered 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: the league for a long time. We know what a 37 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: player he is. But he rubbed people the wrong way 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: along along the way. And that's a long road twenty 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: one NBA seasons. And what happens is people put up 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: with a lot of stuff when you can play and 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: make a difference, right as soon as you can't do that, 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: those days are over. People aren't going to put up 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: with the rubbing people the wrong way, treating people a 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: certain way or whatnot. And I think that's why the 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Clippers the middle of the night. They had to fly in, 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: remember that, right the middle of the night, to tell 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: them to pack his bags and get out of here. 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean that speaks volumes, especially for a guy who 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: played in the organization for a long time, had some success. 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: Put that organization with. 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Lob City on the map in NBA America, and that's 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: the way it ended. So that's on Chris Paul. 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 7: I put it like this, Chris Paul is, let's say 54 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 7: twenty one years. I'm gonna split it up in a 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 7: twenty Let's say it's ten and ten. He's the most 56 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 7: interesting of his peers, if you will. And that Lebron 57 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 7: we already know he's number one, number two, number three, 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 7: wherever you play him. 59 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: But we already know his greatness. You already know Steph. 60 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 7: We already say, the great greatest shooter of all time, 61 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 7: one of the best players. Like you kind of know 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 7: steps He got a bunch of rings, You kind of 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 7: know where he is, so on and so forth. Dwayne 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 7: Wade's got a few rings. You kind of can place 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 7: people in certain places. Chris Paul. The reason why Rob 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 7: Gus said, point God, because he was the first person 67 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 7: we started. 68 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 4: To call the point god. Right, you had magic, you 69 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: heard that long time. 70 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 7: You had other great point guards, but he was the 71 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 7: one we really started to say that with he was 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 7: the first ten years, he couldn't been more lovable. 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: Right, He's the. 74 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 7: Small guy that's playing great in New Orleans and then 75 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 7: turn Oklahoma City because they had you know, all the 76 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 7: whole the hurricane Katrina, so on and so forth. Then 77 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 7: he's the guy that comes to Live City and he's 78 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 7: they're great, they're fun, they're entertaining, they're a sexy pick 79 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 7: four handful of seasons to win it all. He asked 80 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 7: the one of the best campaigns for an athlete commercial wise, 81 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 7: with the Cliff Paul and the State farms. 82 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: So he's just he's that guy. It's parential All Star. 83 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 7: He's finishing in the top three for MVP a couple 84 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 7: of times, and you're like, woll, he's that guy. One 85 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 7: thing started to change when he and that Lop City 86 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 7: team started to fail in the postseason, and not just 87 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 7: fail like all we couldn't get it done, but collapse, right. 88 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 7: They started to give up leads and series, they started 89 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 7: to have epic choke jobs. 90 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 4: Things started to change about him then in the last 91 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 4: ten years. 92 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 7: To your point, it went from lovable Cliff Chris and 93 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 7: Cliff Paul lop cities commercials, one of the best passers 94 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 7: in the league, one of the best players, to man, 95 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 7: do they choke man? He's always injured. Man, they always 96 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 7: come up short. 97 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: Man. He became a journey man. Dang, he's a dirty player. 98 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: Man. 99 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 7: Didn't get along with his teammates. I wonder why he's 100 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 7: always leaving these places. 101 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: And it's just been interesting to see the two split. 102 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 7: Like I said, if you go the first ten or 103 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 7: so years, in the last ten or so years of 104 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 7: Chris Paul, it has been remarkable to witness and he's 105 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 7: been spectacular. He ranks number two off time in both 106 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 7: assistance steals. He's the first player with twenty thousand points 107 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 7: ten thousand assists, and he's just. 108 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 4: Had a very decorated career. 109 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 7: But for me to see him go from just loved 110 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 7: and respected and one of the right up there with 111 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 7: his peers and the lebron the d Wades, the you 112 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 7: know those guys kds to now kind of becoming that 113 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 7: afterthought has been shocking to me. 114 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 4: He was one of my favorite players to watch. 115 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 7: He always made teams better, but they're always, to your point, 116 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 7: would be some weird riff with teams. It seemed at 117 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 7: the end like it would start off good, they win, 118 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 7: they'd be successful, then it would end badly. So I 119 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 7: think as time gets away, will be more reflective on 120 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 7: his career and how great he was. But it is 121 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 7: really odd to me, Rob, He's one of those just 122 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 7: rare players where you can see the divide. 123 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 4: And I also wonder you covered the league. 124 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 7: This was a big, huge thing, one of the great 125 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 7: what would have been of all time in the NBA. 126 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 7: If David Stern okay that trade and as I've never 127 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 7: seen before him block a trade, and if he would 128 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 7: have paired it up in Tindo with Coke, how that 129 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 7: might have changed its trajectory of his career. 130 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you also got to remember the league owned 131 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: the team at the time. 132 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: That was the only asset of the team. 133 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: No, no, I don't. 134 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't do it just to do it. 135 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, But I mean, if I told 136 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 7: you I'm giving you Pau Gasol Hall of Famer lamar 137 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 7: Odom at. 138 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 4: Six Man of the Year. Excuse me, you think you'd 139 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: be all right with that. 140 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 7: So it's just interesting how it all ended up for 141 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 7: Chris Paul versus where it started. 142 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 3: Good luck of good ridds, where are you? 143 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: Good luck? Excuse me? Good luck all right? 144 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. I just think 145 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: the way it ended. Remember, everybody was ready to crown 146 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: Chris Paul when they were up two to zero in 147 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, the Sons and the Bucks. 148 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: They never won another game. 149 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: That kind of also changed the way people looked at 150 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: him because they were doing a coronation. It was all 151 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: about Chris Paul and how great he was and looking 152 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: it is. He finally passed Isaiah Thomas and all these 153 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: other people they were talking about, and I think that 154 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: went I just think the way he went out. 155 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 3: There was no way. 156 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Chris Paul should have gone out that way with the Clippers, 157 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: which tells you that that says a lot to me. 158 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: That's what I mean. 159 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: That really does. 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Attani is keeping MLB brah alive and well 189 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 5: stupid but no, yeah, big news coming. 190 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 6: Out of Arizona rights where they're in no more Vero Beach. 191 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: It's been a long time since they were in flowing. 192 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 5: Dave Roberts, you know, all eyes are on the Dodgers right, 193 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 5: not only because they are the back to back. 194 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Roberts just talking big. When it was the ninth inning 195 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: with one out and Miguel took uh Lojas up to bat, 196 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure he wasn't feeling that cool. He wasn't talking 197 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: big smack cool as a Q was. 198 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: He was. 199 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 5: Ad only gotten worse in the last forty eight hours 200 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 5: because you got ESPN, the Athletic, Fox Sports all publishing 201 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 5: pieces saying MLB is mad as heck, and it's all 202 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 5: because of the Dodgers. They're buying up all the good players, 203 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 5: they're winning all the championships, and we've had it up 204 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 5: to here, don We're gonna lock out Major League Baseball 205 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 5: and it's all the Dodgers fault. 206 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 6: So Dave Roberts was asked about. 207 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 5: This upcoming season, of course, trying to repeat, and he 208 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 5: said that quote, we think, on paper, this is probably 209 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 5: the best team we've ever had, and a big reason 210 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 5: why he feels that way, not just addition to Kyle Tucker, 211 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: not just that, you know, the pitching staff should be 212 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 5: whole again for the first time in a couple of seasons. 213 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 5: It's because of shoe Ao Tony finally getting back to 214 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 5: full time double duty with the Dodgers. He hasn't done 215 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 5: it since he's been there, only did it with the Angels. 216 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 5: In fact, Dave Roberts expects that now that Otani is 217 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 5: a fool, what two years removed from Tommy John surgery, 218 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 5: that show Hay should be in the thick of this 219 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 5: cy Young race. He's already a multiple time MVP, he's 220 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 5: got a couple of World series. Now we're gonna add 221 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 5: a cy Young to the list. Guys, what can't this 222 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 5: guy do? Calvin Washington, Nothing? 223 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: He does it all. 224 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 7: And the best part about it, I'm getting ready to 225 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 7: sit next to Rob Parker and Rob's gonna be mad 226 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 7: because show Hay is finally gonna do what we've been 227 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 7: waiting on him to do. Is restrictions a goal, Rob, 228 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 7: the shackles are gone, the babysit is gone. We get 229 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 7: to see the go the full outing if it's supposed 230 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 7: to be seven or eight if it's a complete game. 231 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 7: We get to see what the show Hey experiment really 232 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 7: can be at its greatest, specifically as a Dodger, not 233 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 7: an Angel, because you know, there's different branding, there's different marketing, 234 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 7: there's different eyes when you're a Dodger, and so far, 235 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 7: for the most part, he has lived up to the 236 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 7: height and some Since he's been a Dodger, all he 237 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 7: has known is getting the World Series rings. He got 238 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 7: two of them now, and it's gonna be interesting and 239 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 7: amazing to see this upcoming season the full scale of 240 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 7: Show Hey Rob, where we might get forty thirty five, 241 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 7: fifty home runs, twenty twenty five, thirty stolen bases maybe, 242 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 7: and we mess around and get you know, twenty five games, 243 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 7: thirty games he pitches and can he be you know, 244 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 7: twenty and three? Can he have a nineteen to four record? 245 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 7: Something crazy like that as a starter. This is gonna 246 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 7: be really cool to see, all jokes aside, to see 247 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 7: one of the best players ever at his absolute best 248 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 7: and being able to at least max out and see 249 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 7: what he can do. 250 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 4: And we've been we. 251 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 7: Didn't get to see it the first year with the Dodgers, obviously, 252 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 7: is coming off the injury just hitting last year. They 253 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 7: slow rolled until he got rolling towards the end of 254 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 7: the year and into the postseason this coming spring. To 255 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 7: see the full breadth of it all, I think that's 256 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 7: gonna be amazing. I think he's gonna have his another 257 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 7: MVP again. And because he's you know, you can almost 258 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 7: Pensiluin for thirty five forty home runs and then you 259 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 7: pencil in playing pitching more than he ever has or 260 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 7: at least has as a Dodger. I just think it's 261 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 7: gonna be another spectacular season for him. Don't mess around 262 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 7: in three pt that'll just put him to the stratosphere 263 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 7: at that point. 264 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: But it should be fun. 265 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 7: We finally get to see maxed out show. Hey, I'm 266 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 7: looking forward to it. He's spectacular. It's been a blast 267 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 7: to watch he, like I always mentioned with Lebron being 268 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 7: one of the only things I like to live up 269 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 7: to the hype. All that hype we heard of a 270 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 7: sixteen year old kid, and then I look at twenty 271 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 7: three four years later what he's become. Show Hay has 272 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 7: been that for the Dodgers, and we'll see what could 273 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 7: be next for him. 274 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 3: All hyperble and just talk. 275 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean, nothing that we've seen should give you this idea. 276 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: That he's gonna win a cy Young. I mean, he 277 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: got touched. 278 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: Up in the postseason his career right, and numbers and 279 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: all this last year. 280 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: Let me just go with his last year. 281 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: His hitting statistics that everybody wants to crown this guy. 282 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: The greatest ever. First of all, he didn't even hit 283 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: three hundred. 284 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: He had two eighty two. He's actually hit under three hundred. 285 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: Rob g are you ready for this? Three of the 286 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: last five years he's hit under three hundred. This is 287 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: your greatest player of all time. He had twenty eight 288 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: less RBIs. He went also from fifty nine stolen bases 289 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: to twenty, so that dropped. I mean, I could go 290 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: on and on. Here's probably the biggest one. Two years 291 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: ago he had a nine point two war. Last year, 292 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: what was his war, Calvin? You know what it was? 293 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: It was six point six. That was the drop off 294 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: from last year to this past season for shohe and 295 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: the year before that with d' angels it was. 296 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: Six point one. And that's kind of where he was. 297 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: He had an unbelievable season with the fifty to fifty 298 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: that was, you know, two years ago, not last year. 299 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: And in the postseason, here's the greatest player of all time. 300 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: In the postseedons each season is batting two forty eight 301 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: and he has forty five strikeouts in thirty three games. 302 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: This is your greatest player of all time. All of 303 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: this hyperbole that he was. The only way I could 304 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: even concede that Shohei has a chance of being the 305 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: greatest player of all time is he'd have to. 306 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: Win a cy Young and an MVP in the same season. 307 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm dead serious, because individually, if you look at him 308 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: as a pitcher or look at him as a hitter, 309 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: he's not the best in any of those. He's not 310 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: the best pitcher in the league, and definitely not the 311 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: best hitter in the league when you combine it, too sure, 312 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: because nobody else is doing it. And I'm not taking 313 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: anything away from him. I think the hyperbole is just 314 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: it's it's not warranted. It really isn't. When you talk 315 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: about even career war, he's not even in the top 316 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: twenty lifetime in WAR, which is incredible considering what he's 317 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: done in numbers he's put up so Dave Roberts can 318 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: sit there and you notice when he pitches. That means 319 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: he can't steal bases like he did, right because he's 320 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: because he's got to protect that arm. So when he 321 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: pitches that that's not gonna be the case. And last 322 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: year we saw that too. It took something off of 323 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: the hitting. When he was just a DH he had 324 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: a monster year. 325 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: A monster year. Would you agree with that? I was 326 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: like one of that, course of course, So him pitching 327 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: and I get it. 328 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: In the postseason in his career, he's two and one 329 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: eorra he is four point four to three. Is that 330 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: you think that's Hall of Fame worthy? Era A four 331 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: point four to three, that's chubby Chubby in the postseason 332 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: in twenty and one third innings pitch. 333 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: So all I'm saying for all of the pomping, was 334 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: it pomping circumstances? 335 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: For all of that, he's done A He's a tremendous 336 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: He's a star somebody you want to watch the unicorn. 337 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: I hate using that term all the time, but this 338 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: talk about crowning a guy who's played seven. 339 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 4: Or eight years, when you have players. 340 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: Like Hank, Aaron and Willie played twenty three, twenty four. 341 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: Seasons and put up an astronomical numbers astronomical lifetime. 342 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 4: I think I hear you, and those guys are I mean. 343 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: I just I can't. 344 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Hank Garrett played twenty four seasons and Kelviy averaged one 345 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: hundred RB. 346 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody will ever. 347 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 7: Be if there's four or five guys that you never 348 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 7: questioned it. You know, you name two of them there. 349 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 9: Baby, But you are belittling defeat because the sheer nature 350 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 9: of you saying, well, I mean sure, we never seen this. 351 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 4: Before, is the point. 352 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 7: Rob. 353 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: It's not that it's. 354 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 4: At and that's what I'm saying. 355 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: But is he the best? Is he the best hitter 356 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: in baseball? He doesn't have no I'm just asking you 357 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: what I'm answering you, Okay, is he the best picture 358 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: in the game. 359 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 4: He's not. 360 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: He's not the best of any singular thing. And I 361 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: get the dual threat. If he was the best hitter 362 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: and a pitcher who want who could win aside Young 363 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: was in that he hasn't been in that conversation, I 364 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: would look at it differently. He's not that, That's That's 365 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 366 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: He's not. He's not. He's not the greatest. 367 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: If he was the greatest pitcher and a hell of 368 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: a hitter as well, then I could give you maybe 369 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: an argument that he's one of the two. 370 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 7: He's not one of the best hitters in baseball, that's undisputed. 371 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 3: He's not the best picture. 372 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 7: I said, he's one of the best hitters, that's not 373 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 7: even a question. And he's been one of the better pitchers. 374 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 7: So if you're one of that, that's. 375 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: One of the better means. I'm just serious. Do you 376 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: know what if I said to you, what's his lifetime record. 377 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 3: You don't know what it is. 378 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: You don't know what his lifetime in twenty, which is 379 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: lifetime elray. 380 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 4: I'm looking at it now. Three three Dokay. 381 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 7: So if I told you I got a guy that's 382 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 7: thirty nine and twenty with an ERA of three and 383 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 7: also my bomb fifty on runs is still thirty bases, 384 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 7: that guy is absolutely nothing. 385 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: How many how many how many cy Young Award votes 386 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: has he gotten. 387 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: In his career. 388 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: I'm just telling him to look for that. I'm just 389 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: saying it's he's not on that. 390 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 7: That's my point, not on that lid saying he absolutely 391 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 7: is noly. 392 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 4: He is the list. That's the point. Rob. No one 393 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 4: else is thirty nine and twenty. 394 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 7: There are people who might have a few games here 395 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 7: and there, Oh you need me tonight thirty nine and twenty, 396 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 7: and he almost got the. 397 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 4: Side young in twenty twenty two. He's got MVPs. 398 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 7: We already know all star appearances, like he stole fifty bases, 399 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 7: hit fifty home runs, rob like this dude is a 400 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 7: freak of nature. He's insane. And that's my point. You 401 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 7: keep acting like he's normal. There is no comp because 402 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 7: that is how great he is. And I am excited 403 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 7: to see what could be this upcoming season. He's already 404 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 7: been spectacular, worth the money, worth the hype, worth the fame, 405 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 7: done it. World series title next year, World series title. 406 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 7: This year we get to see the full scope of him, 407 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 7: and who knows he might actually want. 408 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 4: To say young. 409 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 7: That's and the fact that that's even a possibility from 410 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 7: a guy who also might hit forty to fifty home 411 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 7: runs is absolutely nuts. And he is again when we 412 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 7: heard about him seven eight years ago, you're like, all right, 413 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 7: that sounds good. Then you saw him, Oh he is 414 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 7: really good with the angels. Then he gets all the hype, 415 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 7: all the buzz to come and get the spotlight on 416 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 7: him and the Dodgers, and he's been nothing but spectacular, 417 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 7: And I just I'm blown away. 418 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: In the postseason, I just gave you home numbers. 419 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: Great, he hasn't been great. 420 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: No, no, not even great. He he I just gave 421 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: you the numbers. He struck out forty five times in 422 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: thirty three games. He was an automatic out last year. 423 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: Was he not any in the postseason? Did the Dodgers 424 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: win like the two World Series? Did he win m 425 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: VP both years? And was a difference on the reasons? 426 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: No, no, No, I'm asking a World Series. 427 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's been on. 428 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: The Dodge average title. What else do you up from him? 429 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: I'm saying to a missing star restaurant up. 430 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: The Dodgers could have won both of those World Series 431 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: without him. 432 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 4: He hasn't done anything. Yes he has for them. 433 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 7: He hit a major couple of major home runs to 434 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 7: keep them in the series. So all he has to 435 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 7: do is play his role throughout the postseason. He got 436 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 7: to be a star every game that's not baseball. Baseball 437 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 7: is the only sport. 438 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: But he hasn't won an m VP. He has won, 439 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, not one. They won back to back. Look 440 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: at his numbers in the postseason. He's betting to forty eight. 441 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 7: For vps two World Series MVPs for five six Cy youngs. 442 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 4: What do you want it to be? Sculpted from God? 443 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: He is? What is he? 444 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 7: The reincarnation of Zeus the Man? Got four vps he's 445 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 7: had asen or Cy Young almost running Cy Young. He's 446 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 7: been All Star, even the ones with the Series once. 447 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: That he won with the with the Angels. He didn't 448 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: play in a meaningful game in any of those years. 449 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: They were out of the play they were out of 450 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: playoff run in April. 451 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 7: May don't do that with baseball, Rod, you are baseball 452 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 7: is the one sport Mike Trout was one of all 453 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 7: ten Grats and that's. 454 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: That's what they said until Mike Trout wasn't. 455 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 7: And that and so baseball is a different, completely different 456 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 7: sport like that, you know, you. 457 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: Know that age seven seven. 458 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 4: To this season. 459 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 7: What he can do this season and and see how 460 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 7: if he can continue to add to the lure, which 461 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 7: would be incredible if he does anything even remotely better 462 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 7: than we've already seen. 463 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 464 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports radio 465 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio apps FSR to listen live. 466 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 5: That's right, it's the gift that keeps on giving unless 467 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 5: you're a Clippers fan. Right, because Pablo Tory finds out 468 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 5: has just been on a one man wrecking crew. He 469 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 5: aimed at Kawhi Leonard, Steve Balmer. Let's called Aspiration. He's 470 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 5: willing to do it. A lot of people don't want 471 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 5: to do it. You gotta dog and. 472 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: So we all know. 473 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 5: I mean, just a quick recap on getting all the details. Allegedly, reportedly, 474 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 5: when the Los Angeles Clippers got Kawhi Leonard to sign 475 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 5: their free as in twenty nineteen, they did so again 476 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 5: allegedly by circumventing the NBA salary cap by giving him 477 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 5: extra money funneled through this corporation called Aspiration for a 478 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 5: advertisement that he never really did. Actually no, never did, 479 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 5: never did it, all didn't do anything. They said, hey, 480 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 5: here's nine million, here's two millionaires to him. He's going 481 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 5: to offset the money. We'll give you more money to 482 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 5: pay for the Clippers than what your contract will state. Well, 483 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 5: the investigation, even though law murkers want to talk about it, 484 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: is ongoing. We don't know how deep they're in or 485 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 5: what they're doing exactly, but it is ongoing, and today 486 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 5: The Athletic published a long piece about the investigation firm 487 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 5: that covers. 488 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 6: These kind of thing. 489 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 5: They're the ones who ended up helping get Robert Robert 490 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 5: Salver Sarver out in Phoenix. It helped unnail the Johntay 491 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 5: Porter gambling situation there, so they've been on top of 492 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 5: this stuff. 493 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 6: For a few years now. 494 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 5: According to the Athletic, if it is proven that the 495 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 5: Los Angeles Clippers circumvented the NBA salary cap to get 496 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard extra money to come to their team, there 497 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 5: are a number of penalties that be coming their way. 498 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 5: Number one, they could be fined up to seven and 499 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 5: a half million dollars. Number two, they could be stripped 500 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 5: of future draft picks, which now they have some after 501 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 5: trading away James Harden and beats the Zubox. And last, 502 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 5: but not least, this I guess would be the biggest 503 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 5: penalty of them all. They could void Kawhi Leonard's current contract, 504 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 5: making it I'm a free agent and the Los Angeles 505 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 5: Clippers would have no ability to. 506 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 6: Re sign him or bring him back to LA. 507 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 5: So Guys, if we assume that this investigation leads to 508 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 5: what we think it's gonna lead to, that is that 509 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 5: the Clippers did circlemit the salary cap to get Kawhi Leonard. 510 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 6: In twenty nineteen, what do you think should and would happen? 511 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 7: Well, Rob, I think they're gonna have to find a 512 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 7: way if they if they're gonna want to make this 513 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 7: a big deal, then they're gonna have to avoid his deal. 514 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: They're gonna throw the book. They're gonna have to say, 515 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 4: you know what, Kawhi. 516 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 7: Leonard is a Clipper because of set agreement back in 517 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 7: the day when he became a Clipper. We're gonna have 518 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 7: to avoid that deal because if you're trying to really 519 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 7: act like you care about it. 520 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 4: Finds ain't gonna do it. 521 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 7: Steve Balmer is one of the richest people, not in 522 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 7: America the world and saying, hey, five million dollars, seven 523 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 7: million dollar fine, that. 524 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: Ain't worth it. That ain't gonna do nothing, because it's 525 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 4: worth it. 526 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 7: Ultimately, like if a team were to do this, Rob, 527 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 7: let's say, you know, you use another team for an example, 528 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 7: and I get a championship out of this. 529 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 4: Let's say in two three years, somebody this from Wimby. 530 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 7: Hey, i' Winby will give you an extra hundred million 531 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 7: over a few years because we'll do some commercials, we'll 532 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 7: do some ads and da da da da dah, we'll 533 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 7: circumvent the salary cap, find a way to give you 534 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 7: a hundred million. 535 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 4: And then you find it's guilty. 536 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 7: But you say, hey, we're gonna doc youet eight million 537 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 7: dollars in a couple of picks. Yeah, it's worth it 538 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 7: because I got Wimby for the next seven eight years. 539 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 7: So if they're really if they really care about this, 540 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 7: if it's really a problem that they view it as 541 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 7: it is, then they're gonna have to throw the book 542 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 7: at them. Otherwise, you know what we need. We just 543 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 7: need to have the NBA be set up with no 544 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 7: salary cap. Major League soccer or soccer around the world. 545 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 7: The premier leagues don't have one. You and I just 546 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 7: talked about over the last few months, we've talked about 547 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 7: how baseball doesn't have one and don't necessarily think they 548 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 7: need one. I mean, maybe the NBA should start exploring 549 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 7: that it's a revenue sharing league, and they might want 550 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 7: to just explore that, Hey, what would it look like 551 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 7: if we didn't have a salary cap, what would Steph 552 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 7: Curry have looked like the last ten years if he 553 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 7: weren't captain, you know already than forty and fifty million 554 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 7: dollars sixty whatever it is? 555 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 4: Now? What wild Lebron have look like the last ten 556 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: fifteen years? 557 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 7: Because otherwise it's absolutely worth the squeeze. That limit is 558 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 7: worth the squeeze, Rob, if it's only gonna be just 559 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 7: a little bit of a fine and I'm getting set 560 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 7: star player right, if I'm getting the you know, let's 561 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 7: say uh Cooper flag as becomes that guy, and all 562 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 7: I would get fined is a few million dollars a 563 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 7: eet Cooper flag for a decade. 564 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: Sign me up. 565 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 7: So if they really care, Rob, if they really care, 566 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 7: that's what you do to say you care. 567 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 4: Otherwise they don't care. 568 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: Do you know what commissioner are you're talking about? Seriously? 569 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you're right? 570 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I want. 571 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: I got carried away. I was talking about David Stern. 572 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gone. I hate to break it to you, he's. 573 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 4: Right, he's long gone. That's on your boy. Okay, that's 574 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 4: on your boy. 575 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: I can't Adam Silver is Sharman or a dry dude White. 576 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 4: I mean, like really, I'm just that's funny. You are 577 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 4: literally just poke at this point. By the way, that's. 578 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 7: Just just something unofficial spokes. 579 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: Well I'll now get it into my conversation now. 580 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: But you get my point though, is I don't expect 581 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: the book to be thrown at them. I don't it 582 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: would be well, I mean, it just depends because it do. 583 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: I think the NBA is as harsh as it is 584 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: as Major League Baseball is on players. Like you know 585 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: what I mean, No, right, right, right right. 586 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 4: We saw the. 587 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 3: Astro cheating scandal. Did they take the championship away or. 588 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: Got in trouble? 589 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: You know, the manager and the GM got they lost 590 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: their jobs, but nothing else changed. 591 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I just I can't see it. 592 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: I really can't, like like the death sentence or oh 593 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: my god, Kawhy's gotta be a free age can go 594 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: to any team. He can't play for the Clippers under 595 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: any circumstance. Here's a one hundred million dollar fine. We're 596 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: gonna let people owners other than owners know they can't 597 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: circumvent the cap. You gotta make such a harsh penalty 598 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: to a death sentence right in order to get somebody 599 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: to move because you just said it. 600 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 3: He's one of the richest people in the world. 601 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: How much money can you find where it's gonna hurt 602 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: him or he can't find a way of recouping it 603 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: or some other situation or do you know what I mean? 604 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: So I just and the commissioner. 605 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: Everything rolls off his back, like all right, Hey, the 606 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: guys don't want to play hard for All Star. We 607 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: can't get them to do this, can't get them to 608 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: play games during the regular season. We got fans coming 609 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: paying four hundred dollars and the guys don't play. 610 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: They don't care, Like. 611 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 7: Like Davis Stern definitely had way more of all right, now, 612 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 7: all right, we've all better figure this out or I'm 613 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 7: gonna figure it out. 614 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: Tone I remember it was like two hundred thousand dollars 615 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: and this is like fifteen years ago when he find 616 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: pop when he said home Tim Duncan Parker, Yeah, you 617 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: remember that on a national game against Miami sterm was hot. 618 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: What I'm just saying, I don't I don't see this 619 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: commissioner doling out some unbelievable penalty to the Clippers I'm 620 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: not saying that they don't deserve it if they. 621 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 3: Got the evidence, the goods. 622 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: I just it would be hard for me to see 623 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: or believe some death penalty. 624 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 7: If that don't think it, I think it's happening. This 625 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 7: was me saying, this is what's supposed to happen. Right, 626 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 7: if you're if you think, if you're saying this is 627 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 7: not what teams should be doing, this is not you know, 628 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 7: you're circumventing the rules, you're circumventing the cap. And also 629 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 7: again because otherwise, to me, it's absolutely worth if I 630 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 7: got a chance to get Cooper flag. 631 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 4: And let's use another example. 632 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 7: I think it was like ten million dollars offer to 633 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 7: Jason Tatum to do some one time commercial rop that's crazy. Hey, 634 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 7: here's a million, and then you get residuals at all 635 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 7: TI I only get a million for one commercial. 636 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: It's crazy. 637 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 7: But folks, you say what he did the commercial, whereas 638 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 7: Kawhi never did anything for this Aspire brand. 639 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 4: So I so that's a way to do it, right. 640 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 7: Hey, I can't control is I pay him forty fifty 641 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 7: million dollars a year. 642 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 4: I can't control what you. 643 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 7: Know, Toyota or Kelvin's Pizzeria wants to offer him. You know, 644 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 7: it's like nil, right, Like, oh hey, Kelvin's Pizzeria was what. 645 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: If you really want to do something like that, right, 646 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: And that's the issue that you have. I get it. 647 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: And again the salary cap and people have been getting 648 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: circumventing it. You think when people came to certain places, 649 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: and if you think there's no back deer, backdoor deals 650 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: and all kinds of other stuff. And like you said, 651 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: I could just get sponsors to funnel the money to 652 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: you because you have you now you come to LA, 653 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: you have this deal, you have that deal, you have this, 654 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: you have that. 655 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I've just made it out. 656 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: You give you the money. Fifteen million dollars is your 657 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: name exactly. 658 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy fifteen million dollars in advertising from you 659 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: and whatever you want to do with. 660 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 4: It, right, And just wak wak. 661 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 7: I'd love a certain player if you could, you know, 662 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 7: bring him in as an endorser, as long as you 663 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 7: don't put it. 664 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 4: Down on paper, right, I mean, that's really wanted to say. 665 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 4: So that's my point. 666 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 7: Like either the NBA, if they're gonna act like they care, 667 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 7: then they got to throw the book or otherwise just act. 668 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 4: Like you don't care. And I really threw that out 669 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: there too, Rob. Does the NBA have to have a 670 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 4: salary cap at this point? Like? 671 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 7: What? 672 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: What? What? Why? 673 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: Like? 674 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 7: I mean, MLB doesn't premier leag so they give those 675 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 7: guys stupid money. Hey uh, MESSI cup play with us 676 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 7: for two hundred million this one year. 677 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 4: One year. 678 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: They just won't go back you know, they won't. They 679 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: won't go backwards like that. But I agree with you. 680 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: I just don't think money is the end all be all. 681 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: If I have money the same money the Lions have 682 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: had the same money, and I'm talking about the Matt 683 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: Millanie or you know that you had the same salary cap, 684 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: everybody had the same money. 685 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: They couldn't want playoff game for playoff. 686 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 4: They couldn't even get into playoffs. 687 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: But that's how bad it is. 688 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: You know, if you have a bad GM and you 689 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: spend the money or spend it on the wrong players, right, 690 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: does it really matter? 691 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: I don't think so.