1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: This is the Draft Prospect Review Podcast on Patriots dot 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Com Radio. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL Draft. 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: The Draft Prospect Review Podcast is your source for all 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: the latest news and information on the NFL Draft. 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: The New England Patriots. 7 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Like this is the Draft Prospect Review Podcast on Patriots 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: dot Com Radio. 9 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: We are all back together again here at Jillette Stadium, 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: and this time for our Draft podcast review. We're going 11 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: to actually recap the entire process. We've given you in 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: depth looks at every position, and we've talked about a 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: lot of different players. But what I thought we could 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: do here to sort of summarize and give everybody if 15 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: you if you're only gonna listen to one podcast and 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: you want to get all the information, this would be 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: the one to download. Right, you know, this is this 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: this is your one stop shop. And I guess I'll 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: start it off. I have Mike you So, Evan Lazar 20 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: and Matis Bauman. Uh So, I want to get your 21 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: your thoughts first and foremost on what you think the 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Patriots big needs are hit position wise heading into this draft. 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: And let's go around. Mike. 24 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: You started off, Yeah, I'll start with offensive tackle. I mean, 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: I think that's nobody loves it. It's not sexy. But 26 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: I think if they took an offensive tackle at fourteen, 27 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: we'd all be like, yeah, all right, we get it. 28 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: It's not the sexiest need, and it's probably not the 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: one that's going to immediately change the offense like people want. 30 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: But it's the kind of selection good teams make. So 31 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 4: we'll see. 32 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: I guess we'll eat our vegetables if we get to 33 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 3: that point. But I think tackles definitely a need long term, especially. 34 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: Evan you agree at this point. 35 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 5: I honestly don't really care too much about the position 36 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 5: as long as it's a premium position. Tackle, receiver, corner, 37 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 5: edge rusher. Let's not go anymore any more. Running backs, 38 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 5: no guards, right, none, safety. 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: None of that. 40 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 5: But when I look at the landscape now, especially with 41 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets officially, and if you're 42 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 5: the Patriots, you just need to stack talent together on 43 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 5: this roster, I think getting too caught up in need 44 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 5: and too caught up and filling holes on your depth 45 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 5: chart and things like that, we're we might not be 46 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: there yet with this. 47 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: Don't get ahead of yourself. I have to don't ruin 48 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: all my questions all of one, but I wanted to 49 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: know what you thought the biggest positional need was not 50 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: necessarily what you think the pasots are going to do 51 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: at fourteen And I agree with your premise. Yeah, I 52 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: think they have enough holes that they don't have to 53 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: be pigeonholed into one position. But I would agree with Mike. 54 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: That's my view as tackle is probably the biggest. You 55 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: can make an argument for the other spots that Evan's 56 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: at cornerback and you know, edge wide receiver. I mean, 57 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument for a lot 58 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 2: of different spots, but you know, tease where you fall. 59 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 6: I'll give the people what they want. I want a 60 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 6: cornerback or a wide receiver. Yeah, the two, that's it. 61 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: Another one who can't follow directions, that is what I want. 62 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: I ask a simple question, Mike Circle gets a square. 63 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: You're don't want to answer the question. But what I do. 64 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: I do agree with you guys, and I do tackle 65 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: like I understand you know, and no one more so 66 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: than me is going to sit there and say I 67 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: you know, I got to right like an analysis piece 68 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: on a tackle like yeah, you know whatever. But at 69 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: the same time, you have Trent Brown, who is unreliable 70 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: to start with, but also entering the final year of 71 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: his deal. You picked up a couple of guys, one 72 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: at the end of his career, one who you think, 73 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: in Calvin Anderson, might be able to turn into something potentially, 74 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: but you really don't have a set starter at the 75 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: right tackle position. So I do think it's probably time 76 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: that you addressed that and add some depth there, but 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: not necessarily saying you have to do it at fourteen. 78 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: So let's go where everyone was going, guys, and sort 79 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: of talk about how we think this board might unfold. 80 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: And I do think in terms of tackle, there was 81 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: a minor element of that Aaron Rodgers deal that could 82 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: benefit the Patriots, and that I think the Jets were 83 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: a tackle team. They were in need of a tackle 84 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: and now I don't know if they would have taken one. 85 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: You know, we've seen mock drafts with guys all over 86 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: the place, but I do think the Jets were a 87 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: team that if a Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson or 88 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: Scarronsky one of those guys, they would have probably thought 89 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: long and hard. Based on what I've seen a little 90 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: bit with Green Bay, it looks like they're not necessarily 91 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: looking for a tackle, maybe one of the wide receivers, 92 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: so that could benefit the Patriots if they want to do, 93 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: you know, that offensive line road. 94 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: At the very least, I just like not having the 95 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: Jets pick right before the Patriots, because then it's something 96 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: that you know, you're always going to have to be 97 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: have it right in your face. But I think at 98 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: that point it's it's probably if I had to put 99 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: money down on like a roulette board, I would put 100 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: it on tackle, cornerback, and edge for that fourteenth overall pick, 101 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: with edge being a little bit of the dark horse 102 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: to see maybe somebody falls. I know they've been kicking 103 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: the tires on all those guys, but I think those 104 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: are the positions that make sense, and there's a select few. 105 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: There's maybe what like five guys that you feel like 106 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: are worth it at fourteen that kind of fill it, 107 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: and otherwise then I feel like we get into the 108 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: twenty to forty range that like, there's a lot of 109 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: good guys in there that I think, could you know, 110 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: fill some of those needs that they have. 111 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: And I want to ask you something a little bit 112 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: more pointed with regard to that, just to change it 113 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: up a little bit from Mike's answer is the notion 114 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: that there aren't, you know, an abundance of blue chip guys. 115 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: And I think we all agree, you know, like I 116 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: don't follow this stuff as closely as the guys that 117 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: get paid to do it, but I think we all 118 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: agree that there's probably not more than say, six, eight, 119 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: ten max first round kind of bonafide guys. Absolutely, If 120 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 2: that's the case, do you like the idea of moving 121 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: down or do you like the idea of ensuring that 122 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: you get one of the better players. 123 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 5: Well, I just think that that's why I'm not I'm 124 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 5: not backing myself into a corner on a position, because 125 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 5: if you go into the draft, where like I think 126 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 5: they went into the draft last year and said, we're 127 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 5: coming out with a guard either either way, whatever way 128 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 5: it goes, we're coming out with the guard. I think 129 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: if you do that at tackle, which would probably be 130 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 5: the most realistic position to do that at as well, 131 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 5: then you might get into a spot where you have 132 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 5: a B plus pick, right like, you have a plus 133 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: starter like a Darnell Wright or at Anton Harrison or 134 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: somebody along those lines who's gonna be a good player 135 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 5: for you. But I think the Patriots got enough good players, right, 136 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 5: They need players that are elite players. And that's why 137 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 5: I don't necessarily look at this board the way that 138 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: it's shaping up right now and say that you absolutely 139 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 5: need to take this position at this spot. And your 140 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 5: point about the Blue Chippers is a good one. Where 141 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 5: if you're sitting there at fourteen, and let's see my 142 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 5: mock draft this morning, Tyree Wilson starts to slide a 143 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 5: little bit because I think if he doesn't go to 144 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 5: Houston at two, I can't really find a great place 145 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 5: to put him in the top ten if it's not 146 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 5: to the Texans. The Seahawks are always a little bit 147 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 5: of a wild card team. To their board is kind 148 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 5: of like the Patriots. It beats to its own drums. 149 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 5: So you never really know what Seattle is thinking either. 150 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 5: But you start to think about some of the players that, Okay, 151 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 5: who's the most realistic guys that might slide into the 152 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 5: early part of the teams, right, And I think Tyree 153 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: Wilson's one of them. I think Christian Gonzales is one 154 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 5: of them. It really seems like Devin Witherspoon is gonna 155 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 5: be the top corner in this draft. If you're the 156 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 5: Patriots and you're sitting there at fourteen, and it's not 157 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 5: trading up for a quarterback, so you're not giving up 158 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 5: a king's ransom to trade up, trading up to eleven 159 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 5: to leap frog a team like Houston that might have 160 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 5: some similar players on their board as you, and maybe 161 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 5: to leap frog a team like Green Bay that typically 162 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 5: doesn't draft receivers in the first round, so maybe they're 163 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 5: looking at an edge position or something like that too. 164 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 5: I don't hate it like I think that that's something 165 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 5: that you realistically have to come away with because again, 166 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 5: if you trade it back into the twenties, I'm confident 167 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 5: that you're gonna get a solid, maybe above average to 168 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 5: plus starter. But how many above average starters does one 169 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 5: team need? You know, you need some guys that are 170 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 5: gonna be bus drivers, not guys that are sitting in 171 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 5: the back right. So I think at some point you 172 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 5: have to think about that with this draft, that there 173 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: really isn't a ton of first round quote unquote talents. 174 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 5: I think a lot of teams are going to have 175 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 5: fewer than fifteen of those in this draft, So. 176 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: Tis I'll switch it up a little bit to you 177 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: like I did with with Evan, and I'll ask you 178 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: if you could, like I understand the way the mock 179 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: drafts are unfolding, right, you don't know exactly, but if 180 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: you had a dream scenario that someone's available at fourteen 181 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: to it. 182 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 6: I'm taking Christian. I mean, ideally you don't need to 183 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 6: trade up to get him. 184 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: But I think you guys might want to watch All 185 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: Access tonight. 186 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 6: Actually I was leaning towards wide receiver, which also I 187 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 6: think it's hilarious Rogers left and there's a good chance 188 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 6: the Packers are finally gonna take a receiver in the 189 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 6: first round. 190 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: I saw that on Twitter yesterday about JSN, and I 191 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: did laugh to myself. I agree with Evan, that's sort 192 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: of an out of character move for the Packers, but 193 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: I did absolutely chuckle to myself, Like. 194 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 5: To be fair, they took Christian Watson went thirty fourth overalls. 195 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, so Gonzales would be I think someone 196 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: that that, uh, that's one of those dream scenario that 197 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: might not necessarily have to be like strictly like your 198 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: head's in the clouds. I think there's a there's a 199 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: scenario that you can walk yourself through. You know, I 200 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: was away for a week, missed a lot of stuff. 201 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: Evidently Hendon Hooker is now in the first round, right right? Yeah? 202 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: I mean is that wrong? 203 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 5: Back into the first Yeah? 204 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So what happens if someone says, you know what, 205 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: I want to make sure I get him, and they 206 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: move up ahead of fourteen yeah, to get Hendon Hooker? 207 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 5: Well, I look at Tennessee, not just because he went 208 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: to Tennessee, but a team that I don't know how 209 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: you can be sold on that quarterback. 210 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: Room right now. 211 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 5: And if he's the there's other four quarterbacks go ahead 212 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 5: of them, and they can't trade up into the top 213 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 5: ten to get their guy, then maybe it. 214 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: Seems like a be set year in Tennessee. Anyway, So 215 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: what's the deal if you have your first round pick 216 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: and you can't play for half the year? Yeah? 217 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 5: I mean you look at the four quarterbacks the Falcons. 218 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 5: It just blows my mind that Atlanta, if there is 219 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 5: a quarterback on the board and that those top four 220 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: guys that the Falcons are gonna say, you know what, 221 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 5: we got Desmond Ridder, We're all set at quarterback. Like, 222 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 5: I feel like that has to be a spot where 223 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 5: they might just be sitting there and C. J. Stroud 224 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 5: might just fall in their laps. And I just don't 225 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 5: know how as that front office you just say no, 226 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 5: we're good, like we have what ritter. 227 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 6: You gotta wonder if some of these teams are just 228 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 6: waiting for next year's quarterback class. 229 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: Two. 230 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you got who Caleb Williams and then 231 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 6: that kid. 232 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: For that's it. 233 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 5: I always think that's that's very dicey. 234 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, it's we've seen it happen so 235 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: many times that the guy you identified the year before 236 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: it turns out to be somewhat disappointing. Now, these guys, 237 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: you know, Young and Stroud weren't disappointing. They were the 238 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: guys going into the season. They were the guys coming 239 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: out of the season. But I think we've seen it. 240 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: You know, I think Sam Darnold was somewhat disappointing this 241 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: last year at USC. Yeah, you know, it didn't really 242 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: hurt his dress hockey. I think he still went third overall. 243 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: But I think sometimes I agree with Evan that that 244 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: that can be dicey. But I do think if you 245 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: get like four quarterbacks and then possibly a fifth and 246 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 2: now the Green Bay thing to me throws a you know, 247 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they were interested in one of 248 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: the guys that you're interested, but I think that's a 249 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: different team ahead of you. Now you never know how 250 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 2: these are gonna unfold. And then you know the kid 251 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: from Georgia, Jailen cut where does he go? Right? Right? 252 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: He's gonna take that? Does he? You know you mentioned 253 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 2: Seattle earlier, I could see that being a pick for I. 254 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 5: Think Seattle and Philly are the two teams in the 255 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 5: top ten that I see really strong front offices, good programs. 256 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 5: You can't if you're a team like the Raiders, for instance, 257 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 5: you can't take a chance on Jalen Carter because your 258 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 5: job is on the line. 259 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: They've got many of those first rounders right in high 260 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: draft picks in recent years. They can't afford another one. 261 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 5: So you have to have a stable organization in the 262 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 5: front office that feels confident in their job security. I 263 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 5: think to take a guy like Jalen Carter, but I 264 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 5: still think he goes in the top ten. And you 265 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 5: look at the locks in the top ten, I think 266 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 5: the four quarterbacks are locked in the top ten some 267 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 5: way or another. Whether teams trade up into the top ten, 268 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 5: or they all go to teams that are already there. 269 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 5: Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, and then I think Devin Witherspoon 270 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 5: has basically cemented himself as a top ten pick. So 271 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 5: that's seven guys and the other three spots, like I 272 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 5: said earlier, is a complete wild card. 273 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: I have a few more questions they're gonna ask. I 274 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: want to get all three of your thoughts, but I'll 275 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: start off with a very simple one. Who is the 276 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: best player in this class? 277 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: Jalen Carter right, I don't know. I mean, I guess 278 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: we'll have to see. On the quarterbacks, I mean, you know, 279 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: some size issues. There's a lot to like about Bryce Young, though. 280 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: Is it going to translate. I don't think it's crazy 281 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: to say that it will, but I mean I would 282 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: I would probably go with one of the defensive linemen. 283 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: Between Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, those two guys, I think, 284 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 3: you know, just an instant impact. They land in the 285 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: right place, especially when you talk about going to Philadelphia, 286 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 3: I mean plugging that player into that front, I mean, 287 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: you know where he doesn't even I mean they've had 288 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: Fletcher Cox there forever. Now you add another kind of disruptive, 289 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: just problem play. I think those those guys especially, I mean, 290 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: you say, you talk about Carter with the issues that 291 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: he's had, it might end up better for him. He's 292 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: gonna end up on a better team now instead of 293 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: going in the top three, you know, if he goes 294 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: six to seven somewhere in there, Uh, he's gonna go 295 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: into a great situation and really have a chance to flourish. 296 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: I'd probably go with those guys. 297 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 5: Jon Robinson, Yeah, that'd be my pick. 298 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 6: I think it's Will Anderson or b Jon Robinson. The 299 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 6: only reason it wouldn't be is I think it's stupid 300 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 6: to take a running back in the first round. 301 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying who I would want to take. 302 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: I'm saying, who do you think is the best player 303 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: in the draft? I think you can make a strong 304 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: argument for Robinson. I was waiting for Matist to come 305 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: up with like a Division two quarter, you know, who 306 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: has all the medical. 307 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: Nick Saldevari all dominion. 308 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: So you know, I like to sort of look at 309 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: it that way sometimes and then it's it's amazing, like 310 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: how wildly you can miss on some of those guys, Like, oh, 311 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: I think so and so is gonna be the best 312 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: player in the class, and so and so is out 313 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: of the league in three years. 314 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 5: Like, I agree with Mike that it is probably Jalen Carter. 315 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: I was just giving a different name that wasn't Jalen Carter. 316 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 5: But I think the one concern that you have with 317 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 5: Gillen Carter is the motor. He doesn't always play at 318 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 5: full tilt, but when he does play at full tilty, 319 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 5: is the most unstoppable thing in the draft. 320 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna give you this. Just one will give 321 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: you a lot of options. But if there's one guy, 322 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: and this is two different ways, I'm going to ask this. 323 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you first one guy that you 324 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: think really strongly will end the weekend as a Patriots draft. 325 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: Pick one guy to identify? Who would it be? 326 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 4: Mike the whole and the whole weekend? Who this is 327 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: a all right? 328 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: Moving on, we'll go to Evan and what Mike Finck 329 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: in the whole weekend? Any like, just one guy that 330 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: you saw like the Patriots are going to draft, I'll 331 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: do one. You want me to do one? 332 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, I'll say Tyler Steam. 333 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: I was gonna say Tyler you know, just a date. 334 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: It's my guy, that's my guy. You know, there's there's 335 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: there's quite a few. I mean it could maybe say 336 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: Charlie Jones. This is you know kind of that that 337 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: day two Jones Patriot. You know that that slot receiver. 338 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 5: But he doesn't he have Patriots should take this guy, 339 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 5: but don't like you know, like he's too fast, like 340 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 5: like Hunter Renfro style right like where it's just is 341 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 5: like this is a slam dunk Patriot and then he 342 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 5: doesn't end up being. 343 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: Maybe one of the punters too. I throw in there 344 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: is like just potential like one of those. 345 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 4: Like I just I feel like they're definitely gonna take 346 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 4: a punter this year. That that seems just you know, 347 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 4: fifth round. 348 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you have to lock something in, I think 349 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 5: Michael Turk, the punter from Oklahoma is as much as 350 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 5: when it comes to the draft, we can't lock anything in. 351 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 5: But you have a need a punter. You know that 352 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 5: Bill's gonna care about that. And you also have a 353 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 5: guy that you spent an entire week with working at 354 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 5: the Shrine Bowl and was impressive in Vegas at the 355 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl with the Patriots. I don't know, I mean, 356 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 5: I don't know how you don't come away from the 357 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: draft and needing a punter, but you don't take the 358 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 5: punter you worked with for a week. That that doesn't 359 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 5: really seem to line. 360 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: I would just sign one, you know. I'm sure there's 361 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: one down the stree at the Why and Foxborow who 362 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: can do it. 363 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 5: But anyway he'll take they'll take them in the fifth round. 364 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 5: They'll trade up or something like that and get a 365 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 5: fifth round pick, because that's what they do. 366 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: And then he'll actually put the foot on the ball 367 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: in the first game and everybody, just. 368 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 5: Like Jake Bailey turned out. But Dan Bruger actually had 369 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 5: him as like a seventh round pick, priority free agent 370 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: and the beasts. So maybe he is somebody that they 371 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 5: actually wait on and take in the sixth or seventh 372 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 5: round instead of reaching on a punter in the fact. 373 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: To be clear, like you know, as much as my 374 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: snark comes through, like if you take him in the 375 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: seventh round just to make sure you get them, that's 376 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. But like the whole trading up 377 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: in the fourth round or the fifth round, like I 378 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: think you can find players still in the middle of 379 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: the draft. I don't know Washington is a guy I 380 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: keep coming back to for the Patriots. I think the 381 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: position makes a lot of sense. Tight end. I think 382 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: the size and the skill set I think has to 383 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: be intriguing. I think one of those tight ends total, 384 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: But pick Washington because I don't want to be wishy. 385 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: I mean, like the Laporta, uh yeah, which it soon 386 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: make craft, you know, like all those kinds of guys 387 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: I think they may. Yeah, I think all those guys 388 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: make sense, but I want to pick one and pick Washington. 389 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 2: I know he's kind of been rising a little bit, 390 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: so maybe that requires some some aggressiveness. 391 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: I just think they have to hit this tight end 392 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: class given I mean what we know about them, They've 393 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: always been a huge tight end team. I mean we 394 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: can we will see what BILLYO thinks about, you know, 395 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: the tight ends and what you know, what he did 396 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: with Gronk and Hernandez, if that's something that still intrigues him. 397 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 3: But I'm a little bit more on just like the 398 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: guys who maybe could develop into that, like every down, 399 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: why tight end can play in line, can go out, 400 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: can make you know, stretch the seam a little bit. 401 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: That that's the guy you're looking for but I would 402 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: still say too, I know, Hunter Henry and and and 403 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: and gets SICKI you are only on one year deals. 404 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: Like I could see Hunter Henry sticking around to I 405 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: don't know, if it's like they're gonna wash it next year, 406 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I could just see it, like, 407 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: you know, I kind of I would. 408 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: Love to take you got enough good players, right, but 409 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: you know, but maybe he's home run. 410 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: But maybe next year he's the two you know, and 411 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: then this kid that we dropped this year develops and 412 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: you're like, all right, well, let's keep Hunter Henry around 413 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: as almost like what's his face that they had in 414 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: twenty ten, where they still kept the veteran tight end 415 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: who dropped. 416 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: The ball on the twenty against the Jets. You know, 417 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 4: I'm talking about a Crumpler. 418 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, kind of that. 419 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: I don't think it's the Corps of Hunter Henry yet, 420 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: but I Thinkhunter Henry is gonna have a little bit 421 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: of a bount. 422 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: If you saw what Algie Crumpler had to do to 423 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 2: get in his chair after every game, really he would 424 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: have been a little bit more sympathetic algym that poor 425 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: guy gave he shouldn't even be on the field give 426 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: everything he had to get out there every game tea. 427 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: So I'll start with you with this next one two 428 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: part question. Do they pick a quarterback? And if so, 429 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: which one would you like to see the Patriots pick. 430 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 6: I don't think they pick a quarterback. 431 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 2: Okay, so moving on? 432 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean, do you obt me just spice 433 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 6: it up. 434 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: No, tell me why you don't think they'll take a quarter. 435 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 6: I think he's just like you got a ride with Mac, 436 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 6: like I don't know, like if it doesn't work out, 437 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 6: see next year's class. 438 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: But I mean, well, I'm not yeah, necessarily saying you're 439 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: gonna take Anthony Richardson at fourteen or anything. 440 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 6: But I mean no, I just I don't think. I 441 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 6: don't think the needs there. I think there are other 442 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 6: needs that need to be addressed and Matt can get 443 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 6: you through the season and hopefully he plays like he 444 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 6: does a rookie year. 445 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 446 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 4: Ye, too late to turn back down. 447 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 5: Come on, Evan, I say yes, I think they do 448 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 5: take a quarterback. I still would not be totally blown 449 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 5: away if they take Will Levis, if he's there at fourteen. 450 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: I just developing opinion that I missed last week. Well, 451 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: he came in for the visit. I know that I 452 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: did see that, and. 453 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 5: I just look at his skill I think his skill 454 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 5: sets a little bit misunderstood. I think a lot of 455 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 5: people look at him and see Josh Allen or Justin Herbert. 456 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 5: I see a much a player that's much better in 457 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 5: structure than out of structure, where those two guys I 458 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 5: think thrive on shots down the field and in their 459 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 5: athletic ability and their arm talent. I think the best 460 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 5: part about Levis is his quick game ability, is the 461 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 5: quick release and the ability to get the football out. 462 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 5: I think he's somebody that it has a long way 463 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: to go. But I just don't know if this regime 464 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 5: is in on Mac anymore. I just can't convince myself 465 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 5: that they like the kid. It is everything that they 466 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 5: it's hard to everything that they've pointed to. 467 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 7: Now. 468 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 5: I think cooler heads prevail. I don't think that they 469 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 5: end up doing that, but I see a guy like 470 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 5: dtr in day three, maybe that it just makes too 471 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 5: much sense. At least you get somebody in here that 472 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 5: has a little bit more mobility and athletic upside than 473 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 5: the two guys you have in the room and maybe 474 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 5: if it doesn't work out with Mac, maybe maybe maybe 475 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 5: he turns into like a Jalen Hurts type developmental player. 476 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: So I picked him as my quarterback on All Access. 477 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: In the game that'll be Wednesday night, So depending on 478 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: when you're listening to this podcast, that'll be the night 479 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: before the draft. But I just felt like, if you're 480 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: going to take a developmental guy, doesn't it need to 481 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: be one of those kind of guys with a completely 482 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 2: different kind of skills that than what you have. Yeah, 483 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: and some. 484 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 4: Really intriguing traits, you know, just not the whole package yet. 485 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: But so like, do you feel he'll take a quarterback? 486 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: I do, and I would I would just stamp everything 487 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: and said, I mean we've been talking about DTR since, 488 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, the beginning of this whole process, and I 489 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: mean I think that for everything you guys said, it 490 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: just makes sense to round out the room. 491 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 4: I'm always a fan of taking quarterbacks. 492 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: I think it's good business in general. You never know 493 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: when you're going to take one in the fourth round. 494 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: Who creates value for you. 495 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: I do would love to and this isn't the forum 496 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: for it, but I'd love to go down the wormhole 497 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 3: of like what does it look like if they took 498 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: will Levis? Like what you know when we get out 499 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: the camp? You know, like what's the plan? Like all 500 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: those things. I think those are fun things to speculate. 501 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 3: But but I'm with you guys. 502 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 5: If they take will Levis, I think Mac gets moved 503 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 5: on Friday. 504 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. 505 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: I would have to agree. I agree, And all of 506 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: a sudden we have a very busy weekend, much busier 507 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: than we thought. I just with dtr though. 508 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 5: I do think that there's a lot to be said 509 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 5: for for how he's developed at UCLA under Chip Kelly, 510 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: who we know as a friend of Belichick and the past. 511 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 5: Sure that he is now compared to the passer that 512 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 5: he was when he got to you CLA a couple 513 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 5: of years ago. 514 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: Is night and day. 515 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 5: So I do think there's a lot of upside there. 516 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 5: And until you're sold on your quarterback, how do you 517 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 5: not keep taking quarterbacks? And no one's saying they have 518 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 5: to take one in the first round, But until you're 519 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 5: stamped and approved that you got your guy, I don't 520 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 5: know how you give up on that position. 521 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: All right, So I guess we'll, you know, sort of 522 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: round third here and bring this home, and I'll just 523 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: ask you the very simple uh one offs here tis 524 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: I'll start with you, who are the Patriots taken at fourteen? Well? 525 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: What do they do at fourteen? I don't want to 526 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: lead the witness trade up? Trade? What do you think 527 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 2: you want them to do? 528 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 6: Or what do I think they do? 529 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: Give me both what you want them to do and 530 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: what you think they will do. 531 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 6: I want them to trade up, okay, And you know, 532 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 6: since I've been here, they've traded back, They've stood their 533 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 6: ground and then traded back again. I think this is 534 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 6: the year they trade up. And I'm not saying they 535 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 6: go up to like top ten, but you know, maybe 536 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 6: go to number eleven and they get Christian Gunzals or 537 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 6: Joy Porter. 538 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think they will do? 539 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 6: Stay where they are? 540 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: Okay? 541 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 5: I think they stay where they are too, because just 542 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 5: off of their track record going from fourteen to twenty 543 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 5: six or something like that, I think that they're going 544 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 5: to see a pretty big talent drop off there in 545 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 5: those picks. But I think that it will be, unfortunately, 546 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 5: someone that we don't really love at the fourteenth overall pick, 547 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: maybe like a Deontay Banks or Darnell Wright. Those two 548 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 5: guys stand out to me as Patriot type players that 549 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 5: they took the corner from Maryland, Like that's like the 550 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 5: reach kind of element to it that maybe even take 551 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 5: them over Joey Porter Junior. And that's gonna get everybody 552 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 5: all riled up. But did you ask what I want 553 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 5: them to do? Or can I Can I tell you 554 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 5: what I want them to do? Because absolutely two part us. 555 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 5: At this point, I think that there's a lot to 556 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 5: be said for overall morale within the organization and improving 557 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 5: the overall just in that locker room, no pun intended. 558 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 5: And I think the only guy that I see in 559 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 5: this draft that does that is Jackson Smith and Jigba 560 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 5: and maybe Zay Flowers, but I think that you are 561 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 5: reaching for Zay Flowers a little bit at fourteen. But 562 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 5: I think one of those two guys is the only 563 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 5: one that we get out to training camp, they get 564 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 5: back from the off season and people they you can 565 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 5: start to see something here. 566 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: You can start there's some buzz. 567 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, Bill Bryan back in the building now he has 568 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 5: some new toys to play with along with you know 569 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 5: the guys that have already been here. So what I 570 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 5: think they'll do is tires on a car, right, Like, 571 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 5: they'll take a tackle or at the corner that nobody 572 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 5: wants them to take. But what I hope they do 573 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 5: is take one of these two receivers. Really, jsn or 574 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 5: Zay Flowers are the only two guys that I really 575 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 5: feel like are our surefire would be first rounders pretty 576 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 5: much any year. I think once you get into the 577 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 5: Addison's and the Quinton Johnston's year, you're going down a 578 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 5: little bit. But that's where I'm at. 579 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 3: Mike, Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with a lot 580 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: of what he said. I mean, I think that what 581 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 3: they're probably going to do is probably a tackle. I mean, 582 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 3: it's just you look at their history a draft. It's 583 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 3: defensive line, it's offensive line, it's you know, occasional linebackers, 584 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 3: but that's usually where they focus on. So if you're 585 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: looking at the history, it's probably that what would I 586 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: like them to do? I hear what he's saying with 587 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: wide receiver. I would be excited about one of those 588 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: cornerbacks though, And I think, you know, if it was Gonzales, 589 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: I think that that's a piece that would generate some 590 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: buzz because I think the people that really watch know that, 591 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: like that's a piece that they need. 592 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: Evan talks about you need blue chip players. 593 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: Where do you need the blue chip players the most 594 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: totally agree on wide receiver. Not quite a match, but 595 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 3: like if you could get Gonzales at fourteen, somebody like that, 596 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: I think is a blue chip cornerback, big need. 597 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have anything really different than any of 598 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: you guys. You know. I think that they will sit 599 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 2: tight and I think they will end up taking the tackle, 600 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: and I don't think that's a bad move. Like I 601 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 2: think that that's a big time need and I think 602 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: that has the probably the best chance to have a 603 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: quality player there is that position. What I want them 604 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: to do is what would Matisse said, I would want 605 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: I want them to at least be prepared to be 606 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 2: aggressive and move up a couple of spots if they 607 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: see Gonzales. Now, hopefully they think about Gonzales the way 608 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: the four of us evidently do. I think he is 609 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: that kind of like long, athletic guy on the outside 610 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: that you could plug in for ten years and say 611 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: I have a pretty good player out there. And I 612 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: think it's been a little bit since they had that guy. 613 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: You know, like you know when Gilmore, you know, was 614 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: here a couple of years now, you know. So I 615 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: think that that's really immeasurable. And you want to you 616 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: want to talk about this defense being the difference between 617 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: being you know, the fourth ranked defense and the fourth 618 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: best defense in football. You know, like there's a little 619 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: bit of a difference there. I think if you can 620 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: improve the athleticism in your secondary, you can go from 621 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 2: a team that's highly rated on defense to a team 622 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: that's very good on defense. Now, who knows if he works, 623 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: but I would like to see them be prepared to 624 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: be aggressive if someone's slipping, to go up and get 625 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: at them. 626 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 5: I think that's so built to think that the answer 627 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 5: to Aaron Rodgers coming to the division and the Bill 628 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 5: is to continue to build on defense. Like I just 629 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 5: can't imagine he's going to look at this and say, oh, well, 630 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 5: the best way for us to compete with Buffalo is 631 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 5: to outscore them. He's not gonna think that. N No, 632 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 5: He's gonna think edge corner. Let's build through the defense, 633 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 5: and let's build that side of the ball up so 634 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 5: we can win a game against Buffalo twenty four to 635 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 5: twenty one. He doesn't want to play Buffalo forty one 636 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 5: thirty eight. He doesn't see them having a chance, and 637 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 5: I can't necessarily disagree with that. 638 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: So we won't have to wait very much longer. That's 639 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: going to wrap up our draft podcast reviews here at 640 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium, and this weekend we'll get into it. So 641 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 2: we will be with you live when you're looking live 642 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: for the first round. We will be on for the 643 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: entirety of the first round on Thursday night, so you 644 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: want to, you know, check out and listen to everything 645 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 2: that Mike and Evan have to say. They've done a 646 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: tremendous amount of research on this draft, so we will 647 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: have you. We will have opinions. I'm not telling you 648 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: they're right, wrong, or indifferent, but we'll have opinions on 649 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: the players that are getting picked and on who the 650 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: Patriots select, and we'll give you some instant analysis. We 651 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: will be with you Thursday night, like I said, for 652 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: the entirety of the first round. Will be with you 653 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: Friday night. I believe from Friday seven to ten, seven 654 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 2: to ten, That's what I was going to guess. And 655 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. Somebody involved in the Saturday show likes 656 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: to change the hours all the time. So tis what 657 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: are we doing Saturday? It looks like two to three, 658 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: two three, only one hour? Sure it's not two to 659 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: four sorry four two to four yeah, two to four 660 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: is what we've sort of locked into the last couple 661 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: of Saturdays. So if you want to figure out what 662 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: the Patriots are doing and what you think, how do 663 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: you think the Patriots? 664 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 7: Did? 665 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: You want to be with us for Patriots on Filters 666 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: for those shows. So thanks for listening. 667 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 7: To Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on the Apple, 668 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 7: Google Play, and everywhere else you listen. 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