WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Dante Ross 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.800 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.040 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:09.840 Ladies and Gentlemen. 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.240 This is QLs Classic and we are going way back 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.639 back into time. We're going to episode number three with 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:23.799 the Great Dante Ross aka Dante the Scrub aka Dante 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.480 who introduced you to so many acts you can name them. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.800 He either an art them or signed them himself. De 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:37.520 La Soul, Queen Latifa, Digital Underground, Pete Roxiel, Smooth Brand 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:43.520 Nubian name him Calca Paine, name them yes. Dante Ross 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.640 Damn Nearrow wrote the soundtrack of your Life and he 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.559 lived it. One of the most incredible humans ever, one 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.400 of the best lovers of music ever. Dante the Scrub 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.160 Ross QLs Classic. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.240 Let's go too. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:09.199 Suprema Son So, Suprema roll, Calm, Suprema son Son, Suprema 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:16.160 role called Suprema some something. Supremo role called Suprema son Son, 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.080 Suprema roll called. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.200 My name is Questlove. Yeah, We'll kimping nubs Yeah, I'm 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:28.920 on it, chilling Yeah. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:34.000 Suprema Son, Suprema roll called Suprema something something, Suprema role called. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.280 My name is Fonte. Yeah, fontage low Yeah. Shout out 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.440 to Chassy Yeah and jiggle. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:49.640 Roll call Supreme, Suprema, roll call, Suprema something, Suprema roll call. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.200 My name is Sugar, Yeah, Sugar Steve. Yeah, I keep 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:55.160 my kit cats. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:02:03.640 Yeah, Suprema Suprema, roll call Suprema. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.600 Something something, Suprema roll call. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.200 My name is Bill, Yeah, got here late Yeah, now 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:10.840 I'm single. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.959 Yeah, needed call. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:20.720 Suprema son son, Suprema, roll called, Suprema son something, Suprema 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.640 roll called handboss Bill. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:24.680 Yeah, I'm fresh to death. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:25.359 Yeah. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.720 Shout out to that crab. Yeah from Quest Love Chef. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.200 Roll call Suprema something something trying to get me, roll 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.720 call Suprema so something, Suprema roll call. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.079 Yeah, I got. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:52.639 Yeah, Suprema Suprema roll call Yeah, Supremo son son, Supremo. 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:53.760 Roll call. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.720 Some people. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:01.400 How are you welcome to another edition of Quest Love Supreme. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.600 I was gonna say Suprema, but yeah, Quest Love Supreme. Uh, 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.800 I'm your host, Amir Quest Love Thompson and uh brought 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:15.400 a few friends with me. Uh my man a spoon coon, Uh, 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.320 shorty do wop. I don't know what other titles to 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.239 call you yet, bro. I got a lot of them, man, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.440 I got a lot of them, all right. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:26.919 So what do you tell my al Capua. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.360 Sh rolling Stone. Yeah, I'm I'm the Yen to the Yang. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.600 I'm the Robbin to the Batman. Yeah, Fontic, Yeah, I'm 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:36.640 Jerome to the Morris. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.800 You know, I hold the mirror a bro. You know 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.600 what I mean? Well, we both might just be Jellybean 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.040 and Jesse and not know it. This is true. I 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.200 kind of think Boss Bill is Mars. I think he 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.680 could be Prince. Yeah, say, Boss Bill is Prince. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.720 He's Prince. He's definitely Prince. He's the he cracks the rip. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:00.960 Let's Grover Washington, the Actor's true. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:05.480 That ship was hilarious. All right, So, uh, front, how's 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.480 how's the project been going. Everything's going good man, tipular Old. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.720 That's the project. Me and my man Eric Robinson is 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.400 out right now. We've been doing some dates in support 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.880 of it and everything, and uh yeah, man, it's going 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.159 real well. I'm just thankful that people like it. Uh 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.920 And I can pay my bills and feed my chair. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.560 You're cheering. That's about it. That's that's the life at 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.119 the end of the day. That's what life is about. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.040 That's what it is. I'm thankful man, thankful happy. You're cheering. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:36.200 How's your cheering doing, Steve, I have no cheering. Yeah, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.200 but I know I thought you had some cheerings. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:45.040 No, I have no cheerings. Hows how was life going? Bro? Good? 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.760 All right, well I believe you as you took the 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:52.960 pregnant pause. Now with no children to say good, I'm still. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.680 Trying to make the cheddar and so forth though. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.719 Okay, well, you can't say e R when you say cheddar, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.280 just be a at the end. I actually meant cheddar. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.719 Steve is actually, uh, maybe maybe we use this platform 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:07.240 to help you. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:14.200 Steve has a lifelong obsession with collecting every ct I 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.520 record that's ever been in existence. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:21.159 Oh wow. Most importantly, you're looking for the CTI CTI 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.080 it's a not to be confused. Which one of you 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.279 doesn't know what ct I is? Oh? 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.760 Okay, and everyone listening. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.960 No, but I felt that you were asking facetiously and 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:34.600 not literally. 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:36.440 It's Creed Taylor. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.200 Okay, Well that's the famous it's one of his labels. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.719 It's a label that you're obsessed with. I am. I 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.919 think E C M is another one of yours, too, right, CM, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:47.800 I'm still working on. 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.520 But I think I have pretty much every ct I 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.920 record at this point except forty five's, which is what 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.640 Ameers talked anyway. Yeah, I love ct I, Yes, anything Retailer, 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.200 Kudu A and m us that A first and then 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:02.600 and before that verve. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.160 Is there is there a particular album that you're looking 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.840 for that you haven't fought found yet. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:12.800 Or yes, it's called Soul Flutes. Soul Flutes, Yeah, I 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:13.440 actually have that. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.680 Yeah, yeah, you said you might have. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.680 I'm actually going to my storage in a couple of days. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.680 Well, that's one of the forty fives that Quest gave me. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.120 Was the Soul Flutes was uh it was Scarborough Fare 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.920 on the A side and Deo on the B side. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.279 I think the album is called trust in Me. Yeah, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.400 was the name of the band. Yeah, yeah, wow, okay, And. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.720 It's like Herbie Hancock on keys and I think Ron 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.880 Carter is playing on it and he's yeah, every it's. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.440 Good to be in a room with people that actually 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.080 read the liner notes. That's awesome. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.480 That's That's the one thing I miss about record culture today, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.640 mainly because no one in our in my life particularly 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:55.800 knows that I'm connected to a project with uh, William, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.239 I forgot. Oh oh, I was about to say William 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.800 the Driver. No, I I forgot what title we have for? 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:02.240 Uh? 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.920 Paid Bill? I'm paid Bill? How you doing bro? 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:06.360 Goodbye? 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:07.160 Yeah. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.080 Well, I'm just saying that people don't read the credits, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.560 so they don't know how the Hamilton's soundtrack came to be. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.600 So it's true, but people who listen to theater records 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.920 do read the credits because they like to read the 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.200 lyrics because it's. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.160 Not on it's not on streaming services. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:23.960 Yeah, they got to figure that out. I think that's 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.800 the next step in the whole streaming thing. They're getting 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.119 the lyrics together with the genius. They're kind of working 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.559 the lyrics out. Credits are still yeah, still, they haven't 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:33.080 done it yet. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.000 That's the main reason why I haven't really gone in 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.120 on credit check because I feel like no one's reading it. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.600 And with social media and writing books, I don't feel 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.680 the need to pepper albums with the album credits as 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:46.600 much as I used to. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.600 So what's up though, Bill, House House, Life on the street. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:08:00.560 The streets Westchester, they're beautiful. I meant the street that 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.960 you work for, Oh, that street, that street's good. 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:04.680 The muppets are human to me by the way. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.480 I know. I thought i'd just let the world know 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.720 that where do you work though I work at Sesame Street. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.840 I'm the music director Sesame Street. Thank you for asking 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:15.480 and h quest love and I met because he because 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.800 he worked on the Hamilton record, but then he then 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:19.560 in turn wrote songs for Sesame Street. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.400 I asked you one too many questions about the actual muppets, like. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.960 There were real But I also learned later that you 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.640 watched Sesame Street more than my own children and probably 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.320 more than most people's children, which I was fully impressed by. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.280 And your your Almanaki knowledge encyclopedic knowledge of music is 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.360 also in sort of the Sesame Street world too, which 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:41.360 I envy because often people ask me some deep dark 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.680 knowledge shit about Sesame Street and I have no idea 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:44.240 what they're talking. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.199 You guys had crazy breaks, and you know, I just 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.199 want to rummage through the entire collections. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:51.719 I would see about that the other day that in 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.079 the same way you're going to your storage set to 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:54.800 get the forty five's for Steve, we should go to 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.320 the Sesame Street storage set and just go back to Yahaha, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.959 I know it exists. We could go and do it. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.680 I think, Yeah, I truly let you because I. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.600 Want the end thing. That was my favorite. You know what, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.000 I'm so mad freaking all right. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.360 So in the original like Roots demo, that was like 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.880 one of the songs that we rhymed over and we 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:18.280 put h. We put uh, Bobby Brown's hot pants, I'm coming, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:19.559 break on top of it. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:25.400 Bobby Bird, Bobby drop It on the two. That was 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:31.400 that was project Drop It on the two. Yeah. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:36.800 Our first demo was the the end credits to Sesame Street, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.960 the break that I guess M F. Doom rhymed over 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:45.480 uh and uh on the second JBC Force album. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:46.840 Uh. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.880 They that was the first single where they rhymed over 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.360 over that that break with the Bobby Bird hot pants 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:53.880 up coming. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:59.600 So yeah, man, it's a heartbreak. It was a heartbreak. Man, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.760 Boss Bill, what's up? How's life? 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.040 When you're not bossing me around? When am I not 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:09.959 bossing you around? I was like, man, life's great. Man, 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.040 I got somebody to boss around now and and and 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.760 and Boss Bill. He's he's very effective. I will say, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.319 that's why he's here. Nah, he's very undisciplined. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:25.239 I'm very unfocused, you know, I look I'm Ronald McDonald 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.120 and Boss Bill is. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.160 The hamber ray Crop. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.440 Wait, how do you know ray Croft? Everybody knows who. Yeah, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.160 I don't know ray Crop, ray Crock, ray Kroc. He 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.200 was the alder inventor of McDonald's. He was the guy. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.119 How do you know the history of McDonald's. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.240 I've known that since I was a kid. I think 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:43.760 I did too. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.520 I read it in a book and you can just 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:46.840 go and jump on that unpaid bill. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.959 No, no, no, I'm pretty sure. Like there's a plaque 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.600 if you go to McDonald's that has him on it 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.760 that says, actually, I think I think there's I actually 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.079 knew that. I didn't know what ct I was, but 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.160 I knew about that ship. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.120 Well, I feel horrible that I didn't know that. You know, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:06.040 all the weight that I put on over the years. Yeah, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:06.520 he was the one. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.400 He was famous for the quote, I'm not in the 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.880 people think I'm in the said, people think I'm in 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:11.679 the hamburger business. 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:13.840 I'm in the real estate business. That was his. That 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:14.120 was his. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:22.640 He write a book, he did. I read parts of it. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.160 It was I mean, this was it was a long 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.520 time ago, but but yeah, he was dropping some real 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:26.920 game in there. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:27.760 He was on some pip shit. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.360 He basically was like, look like they talk about how 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:37.000 the McDonald's formula, I guess in the early days was 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.600 just really the book was like really thin, but now 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.960 the ship is like thick as hell. And basically his 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.120 mantra is his whole thing was like, look, this is 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.840 the way we do it, and y'all can either do 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.920 it like this and you can step the funk off. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.360 And I respected that. So I forgot the name of 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.199 the book. I mean, this was just I was an undergrad. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.480 It's called grinding it out. The making of McDonald's that 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.960 is there is this was. I mean, this was years ago, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.719 but I feel. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.360 Really inadequate right now as foody as a human being. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:06.640 I have Google. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:11.160 So your your knowledge of of some deep dark ship is. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:19.559 Real? Yeah, what history of quote? 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.560 I'm looking at you quote them? Wow, they are all 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.520 in the standards, they except for themselves. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:26.080 I don't know. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.839 Nah, that was yeah, that was yeah, I remember that book. Yeah, man, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.320 Ray Krot he's the dude. That's that's incredible. That's why 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.280 you guys are here to really pick up the slack man. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.000 Apparently I don't have Uh, did you know about ray 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.280 Krot Steve or you thank you for being honest and 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.160 saying that. I know that. Are you just saying that 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:50.080 to make me feel better? 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.000 You know the characters, all the characters me too, only 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.360 Hamburglar who Grimace? 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:00.920 Yeah, the mayor you have a little bit for a second, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.520 I mean McDonald about the mayor. That going to be 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.280 just out of control mayor. I haven't seen Mayor mc 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.800 cheese in the second bro. Yeah he still I think 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.160 they didn't take him out of voted out. Yeah, he's 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.920 not impeached. Is the Hamburgler? Is he still around? Hamburger? 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.240 Hamburger is still around. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:20.880 He had a heart attack, but he's all right now, 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.400 okay hamburg heart attack. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.120 That's like the mate, what was the guy the what 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:28.920 was the Marlboro Man? Wasn't he the one to die 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.960 of cancer? That's just like when people die of the 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.160 thing they endorse. So really yeah, that's it is kind. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.600 Of what throw cancer. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.400 It was some kind of cancer, some kind of smoking 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:39.880 ass cancer. They got his ass up out of the 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:40.680 whatever it was. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.000 But that like. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.480 When he said that, did you envisit like Sam and 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:54.600 Simms team right right exactly? The horse tied to the horse, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.280 the oh yeah, yeah, the horse did die. The horse 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.280 did die, I would hope so after years. But I 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.840 thought they knew the history of what the worst No, no, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.439 it was I was thinking because now I'm thinking of 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.400 people who died from the products they endorsed, so supposedly 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.040 I think the guy that was the guy in the 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.280 actions that he'll be wrong. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.640 I just checked on the Marble Man and apparently four 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.320 different Marlborough men died of cancer. So you know, if 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.480 you if you get that job, it's a wrap. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.400 Yeah, your cursed. But is there still a quote unquote 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.280 Marboro Man they're dead? 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.520 I don't know, because I know, like there was all 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.440 these all these regulations about advertising and smoking. You know, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.080 they got rid of Joe Campbell and all that, so 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.400 maybe they got rid of the Marborough Man too, who knows. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.080 Yeah, they did get rid of Joe Cammel. Damn. That's right. Yeah, 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.680 all right, Well this is going to be a very 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.680 wod segue from music. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:55.000 Kind of want to do, uh a slight backtrack at least, 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.560 you know, all all history is either revisionist or subjective. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.720 So you know, keep in mind that even though I 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:07.760 could speak with a great deal of authority and clarity. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:09.600 I could be wrong, but. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:16.280 The guest we have today, I feel is important because 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.520 I believe that he kind of ushered in what I 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:25.160 like to dub the Renaissance era of hip hop, and 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.040 a lot of times, especially people born after nineteen eighty five, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:34.160 that hear a bunch of adults sort of moaning and 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.120 growing about classic hip hop and back in the day 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.200 and all that stuff, and you know, you don't understand 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:48.760 Eras it's my personal belief of how the era system 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.680 runs in hip hop is kind of a five year 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:57.040 increment in which I see things. I usually see the 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.800 evolution of hip hop in the second year of the decade, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:05.000 the seventh year of the decade, and I guess if 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.840 you look in the seventies, I feel like the most 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:13.160 important as far as actual revolution and change of music. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.760 Even though nineteen seventy seven isn't my personal favorite year 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:22.640 of the seventies, you can't deny the importance of nineteen 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.480 seventy seven. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.360 What is the importance in nineteen seventy seven? 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:32.160 To me, probably the most important element of nineteen seventy 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.160 seven and music wasn't even music or a person. I 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:43.240 believe the velvet rope that separated you from the entry 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:51.000 to Studio fifty four in itself spawned three different self cultures, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.480 not even by design. First of all, I'm in Studio 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.320 fifty four. If you've heard the folklore of you know, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.760 like the sodom and gomor yeah, it's just it's it's 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:07.640 the the pen ultimate debaucherus. I mean everything from Bianca 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.439 Jagger coming in uh on nude on a horse or 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:18.359 anything that could happen. Uh, it's it's proprietors who built 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:19.439 Studio fifty four. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.600 Steve Bell and I. I. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.560 Yeah, that's where because now when you need to say 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.240 Ian Schrager, I think of hotels. But I keep forgetting 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.840 about Studio fifty four. But the point is that, uh, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.640 well literally for Studio fifty four. I mean every time 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.399 that he had time off from shooting The Whiz, Michael 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:44.320 Jackson was in Studio fifty four, studying its infrastructure, studying 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.359 the DJ, studying the people, which I know played a 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.560 big role in how he crafted Off the Wall. Even 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.880 getting rejected by Studio fifty four gave Atlantic Records their 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:59.680 biggest selling hit, Cheek Chic So the Freak The Freak, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:05.680 which was formerly fuck off from Freak out, freak out, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:12.080 fuck off. Now Rogers and Bernard Edwards get rejected after 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.240 being invited by Grace Jones to come down to the club, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.080 and of course they just go to the studio after 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:22.280 giving up and resigning to getting in, and they started 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.280 jamming about. 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.840 Studio fifty four and called it funk off. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.040 And then ten minutes and two it they were like, wait, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.600 this is a hit, freak out and then thus they're revenge. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:35.200 But not to mention. 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:41.480 Lower East the village, the punk rock scene and the 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:47.159 downtown art scene spawns on the west side, you know, 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:56.240 the the a lot of underground gay disco clubs start formulating. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.000 I mean they've been in existence, but Lara Lavan will 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:05.880 soon yeah, developed Paradise Garage in the starting in the 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.679 early eighties, but he was also diciphle of Studio fifty 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.280 four and kind of took their culture to the underground 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.479 set that wasn't allowed in that and of course up 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.440 in the Bronx. Yeah, hip hop now between seventy seven 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.160 and eighty two, which you know, I call the kind 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.440 of the post disco period of hip hop because a 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.320 lot of what they were rhyming over was just the 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.000 music at the time not to mention the five years 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.760 before that, seventy two to seventy seven, the music from 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:39.760 that period Africambotas finding these records in the basements and 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:45.359 and sort of recontextualizing them as new music. So now 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.639 a cut like give It Up or Turn Loose by 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:48.520 James Brown has. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.480 A whole new meaning life. Yeah in a B boy nightclub. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.879 So that's from seventy seven to eighty two. Of course, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.240 you know rappers, the Light and I guess that the 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.439 two most important songs of that period. 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.240 I would think at the end of the period. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.960 Is The Message by Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five, 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:15.720 the beginning of like Reality rap and Planet Rock, which 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:20.920 Arthur Baker and Ben Bata, leading to what I call 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:25.600 the Golden period eighty two to eighty seven enter Run DMC. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.720 Sort of like a slow well set or not quite yet. 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:36.000 I would probably say that Marley mal is the figurehead 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.600 that really pushed it for production wise. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.600 Also, I got a shout out full force. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.679 I mean, they were the first to start using actual 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:54.040 breakbeats inside of their their records, and for me, the 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.320 classic period. When people refer to a classic period, it's 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.520 the next period. Eighty seven to ninety two. And the 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.200 reason why I say the classic period. If you're born 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:10.359 before eighty five, I'll say that there's a compilation, a 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.920 twenty five record compilation called Ultimate Beats and Breaks which 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.680 breakbeat shout out to Breakbeat Lou Flores. He compiles all 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:24.040 the break beats that Bam Bada used to spin at 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.840 his party, jams that you previously you previously couldn't find. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:36.000 So if you're older, I'd say this is the the 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:42.920 the cliff notes of this is the cliff notes of breakbeats. Okay, 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.439 So a breakbeat, of course, is the good part of 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.600 the record. If there's a record that has a drum 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:50.720 break in it that you're able to rhyme over. 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.520 An instrumental drum break, no singing over it, no right, 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:56.600 no keys, noot. 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.320 So when you hear older producers refer to stuff like 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.320 impeach the Prey, they're not talking about getting rid of 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:03.360 your country's leader. 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.280 They're talking about a certain break beat. 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.880 Yeah, I mean, it's often debated, what's the greatest one 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:14.280 for the folklore of James Brown's Funky Drummer. I will 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.920 kind of say that I believe that impeach the President 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:23.840 is the ultimate break beat, which even when you beat 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.679 box as an older person, when you beat box, the 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:32.200 beat that you do is always you're doing in piece 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:37.240 to president, even without knowing it. So just saying that 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.560 where previously they used to take these records and watch 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.440 the labels off and you didn't have shizam to know 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.560 where these breaks were coming from, that b boys were 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:50.960 going crazy to lou Floor has now put compilations out and. 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.640 Pretty much the hip hop nation ate it up from. 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:58.200 Public Enemy to NWA. Anybody that was making stuff between 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.840 eighty eight and ninety two was you sing and abusing 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:08.320 ultimate beats and breaks, which leads to the next period, 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:13.600 which I call the Renaissance period. Now on the East coast, 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.520 this this this especially true on the West coast. 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.240 Of course, doctor Dre will kind of. 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.480 Take the rain and and and just just writhe till 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.960 the wheels fall off, or did they ever fall They 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:33.520 never fell off. But for the East Coast, what makes 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:39.040 our guest Dante Ross so notable was the fact that 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:45.000 he is starting to sign acts who they find ways 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:50.600 to make music that's outside of the ultimate beats and breaks. 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.640 Paradigm or or or just the boundaries. There's a line that. 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:00.240 Dress from Black Sheep says to take funky drumming, give 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.679 it back to James. So there was a period where 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:07.040 James Brown and George Clinton was they played out. It 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.520 was a played out idea because it got used and abused, 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.760 like people just make songs out of whole entire volumes. 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.080 I'll take the drums from track number two, and I'll 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.320 add the bassline from track number three, and then put 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.000 the keyboards and scratch in from track number five and 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.440 all these different combinations. 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:25.840 Like you could pretty much predict what hip hop would 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.240 sound like for the next year by what Ultimate Breaks 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.119 and Beat album was out exactly. 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:34.960 So by the time nineteen ninety two came, there were 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:43.399 a group of producers Large Professor Pete Rock, Yeah, Q Tip, 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.040 DJ Premier, Jazzy Jeff, I mean, a whole bunch of 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:52.239 cats that were using Jazz Records stuff that wasn't on 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.480 Ultimate Beats and Breaks and using it as their as 0:24:56.560 --> 0:25:00.439 their their canvas and their backdrop. And that's what I 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:05.000 deemed the Renaissance period of hip hop. This is Quest 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:11.160 Left Supreme font Ticcolo, Sugar, Steve, Unpaid, Bill Boss, Bill Welcoming, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:16.640 Doctor Renaissance himself give it up for Dante Ross ladies 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:17.080 and gentlemen. 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.480 Yeah, yeah, what up? What up? 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:27.080 Dante? I have so many frequent questions right now. 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:29.120 Man, you know it's scary. 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:34.560 No, I'm like, dude, you if I mean, everyone always 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:36.399 has this like, oh the soundtrack of my life. 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:41.880 But I mean you you're like one of the unsung 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:46.320 heroes of the Renaissance period of hip hop, like you 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:50.360 were there to witness a lot of his historical firsts. 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.080 So I'm gonna try to come off like a professional 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.800 journalist that I am and not not just a fan. Well, first, 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.120 I got to know about your beginnings, Like where did 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:01.720 you come from? 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:02.000 So? 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.959 I was born in San Francisco, California. I moved here 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:07.520 when I was two, and I grew up on the 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:11.000 Lower East Side of Manhattan. My mother was a school teacher, 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.240 and I grew up on Ninth Street and Avenue B 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:14.600 and then Second Street and Avenue B. 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.640 So you were in the period of New York when 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:19.840 that part wasn't even Gingrified. 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.200 Or Spanish was the language of my blood? 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.320 Really, Oh wow, that's when it was alphabet city. 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:31.760 I grew up in almost entirely Puerto Rican neighborhood, so. 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:30.679 A lot of us. 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:32.879 Would you know, there was a period where I just 0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:39.400 thought a lot of the important white players of classic 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.560 hip hop, I just thought you all were Puerto Rican 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.840 because in my mind I couldn't even conceive, like I 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.440 thought the Beastie Boys are Puerto Rican. 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.240 I mean I wanted to be Puerto Rican. I couldn't 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:53.280 wait to grow a mustache. My boys called me Serto 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.639 Rican growing up, which was better than jew who the 0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:58.520 other one they called me? 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.960 Ah? Wait these two? 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:07.720 Like I definitely was. I passed for a Puerto Rican 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.040 whenever possible as a job. 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:14.680 So when, so, how did music enter your life? 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.680 I mean music was always in my house. My mom 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.200 loved music. She loves soul music like she loved Otis 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.320 Redding and Bill Withers, Aretha Franklin. And she also liked 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.679 singer songwriter stuff like Neil Young and Bob Dylan. And 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.359 my pops is a he's an old like jazz dude, 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.720 so he was like always into jazz. And I grew 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.280 up up the block from a famous jazz drummer named 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.240 Ed Blackwell, Okay, and he played with with uh or 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.119 Nette Coleman and a ton of people. And I was 0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:41.879 in his house a lot, and I was just always 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.280 around music. Like I remember going with him and his 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.439 family even though, to Hero and Net andam Jam when 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.600 I was like eight nine years old, so you know, 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.560 and I lived on top of a social club and 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:52.800 my bedroom was right on top of the jew box 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:56.119 and they were playing stott Listics and dramatics everything that 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:57.160 was popping back then. 0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:57.879 At Edward de. 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.119 Vaughan and Superfly. I went to see it when I 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.240 was nine or ten. My sister's boyfriend took me. And 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.000 I just was always around music. We had block parties 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.760 on my block, so I loved disco and all that 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.439 kind of music when I was young, and I just 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:12.720 grew up around it. It was always I'm the president 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.520 in every environment I was in as a child. 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.199 So was it to the point where you felt like 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:20.960 this is a career or just like it just happened 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:21.520 to be around? 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.479 Definitely not. I had no idea, but I did. I 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.199 always like read the back of record covers, and I 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.159 always wanted to know like Steve Cropper was, so I 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.960 was like, who's that Who's that guy? And Who's who's 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.880 Jerry Wexler, And I always wanted to know who people were. 0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.680 You know who's this guy and that guy. Was just 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.120 fascinated by by the names, like I wanted to know 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.640 who the guys were who weren't the artist. And I 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.160 had a family friend, Joel Brodsky. He's a famous photographer 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.680 and he shot the Isaac Caye's movement album covers. He 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:56.040 shot all the stacked stuff. And because being around Joel 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.280 and he's coming to graff materia, I saw a lot 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.040 of the imagery he shot, like Funkadelic records and all 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.080 this stuff. So I was always into it. My sister's 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.000 eight years older than me too, and she was a 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.280 music head, so I always played her records whenever she 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.960 was jamming. So I basically got into See my sister 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:18.880 was madhood, true, she was like super hood when we 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:19.520 were growing up. 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:27.320 Trickled down, well oftentimes I noticed that people that, especially 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.280 in music is today, a lot of it is trickled 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:31.680 down from. 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.240 Older cousins, older siblings. So are you the youngest of 0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:34.880 your brood. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.560 Or well, well, I have a younger sister, but I 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.520 wasn't raised with my half sister, So yeah, I am, 0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:38.880 and I. 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:40.320 Am asking what year were you born? 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:41.400 Nineteen sixty five? 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:42.800 Okay, okay, And I. 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.720 Inherited my sister's record collection and much later on, like 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:47.560 Joel gave me a lot of his records as well, 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.440 so and I got my mom's records. I was a 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.800 lot of the records that I had came from my family, 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.000 you know that I still even have. And so I 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.600 was always like aware of records like just Begun and 0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.000 Solamcosa and all those records. I listened to him as 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:01.960 a kid. I knew them all. 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:07.200 So, so did you know about it from just having 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.080 it or just from a hip hop perspective? 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:09.200 Now? 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.320 I knew from having it, And because they had block 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.040 parties in my neighborhood and they'd always play those kind 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.480 of records just be Gone for sure, and stuff like 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.440 Funky Penguin and all those kind of records got played. 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.400 So you know, people were in the street dancing, and 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.280 it was just the music around me as a child. 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.560 Do you remember the first album you purchased? 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.760 Definitely Jackson five Christmas album. 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:36.000 Wow Crying Crying? Yeah, I used to. My parents used 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.280 to make me perform that, uh, that Jermaine skit. Do 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:39.640 you have it? 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.480 The Christmas album? I do not have the Christmas album. 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.000 My Christmas album was the James Bryan Christmas album. 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:46.560 I mean I was a Jackson five fanatic. 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.520 The Welfare one, Yeah, James, I was coming to the girl. 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.840 That No, but there's one song where like James is 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.520 talking about like he's so down on his luck that 0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:01.840 he even went to the welfare and couldn't find Santa Claus. Yeah, 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.360 that was my ers album. That one spoke to my reality. 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:06.720 I was a Jackson five fanatic. I bought all the 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.760 forty five's ABC Want You Back at Bates Record Store 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.480 on Delancey Street. My sister would take megget my line. 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:14.040 I about forty five almost every week. 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:15.400 How much were forty five back? 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:16.440 Seventy five cents? 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:21.400 Jesus Christ? Wow, So just a record, the weekend record 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.040 a week. That's amazing. 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.000 I bought all the hits any you know Casey in 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.440 the Sunshine Band, sos or not. 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:28.640 So. 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:33.040 I spent on sending U so os, the Huges Corporation, right, 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.320 all those records, you know, I bought all George mcraig, 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.760 you know, whatever was popping right then, you know, whatever 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:39.600 was out, I bought whatever was on the radio. I 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:40.280 went and bought them. 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:44.680 So that's that's probably the mom and pop record store. 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.440 To me, like the local mom and pop record store 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:49.840 is like the one. 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.920 Element that I remember. 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:59.640 The first rock record I ever bought was Queen Boheman Rhapsody. 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.080 I heard it on the radio. I lost my mind. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.960 I couldn't I couldn't comprehend what it was. And I 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.880 listened to radio all day till they played it again, 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:07.440 and then I went and bought it a couple of 0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:08.000 days later. 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.080 So did you record songs off the radio? Did before? 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:16.240 Lining line out right there up against the speaker. Yeah, 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:18.920 you used to do that with soul Train used to 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.440 put the tap on audio records. 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:24.720 So yeah, I wasn't that technically advanced that I was 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:25.320 in savvy? 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:25.640 Yeah. 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.160 Well we used to have soul trained parties too. Of 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.640 my friend William Dickerson's house down the block. Sultry will 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.160 come on a wheel and his mom would have a 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:31.959 soul train line. 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:34.000 Wow. Really Yeah? 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:35.560 Yeah. I grew up on a block there was like 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.800 seven Puerto Rican kids, two black kids and me. 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:45.120 So you were just alone, just like same street it 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:51.600 was McDonald no, So you were just a lone white kid. Yeah. 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:52.520 Man, it was all good though. 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.160 Did they hesitate to remind you of that every time 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.040 I thought, I thought my middle name was white boy. 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:58.800 So I was about fifteen, and. 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.320 There was always there was always like one cool white 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.480 boy like on the block though, like even it's pretty 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:08.120 much white John was was a kid on in southwest Field. 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:12.120 It's usually white Mike. Usually if you had a white mic. 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.440 Now, did you have to overcompensate because Chappelle hilariously says 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.240 that whenever you see the one lone white guy hated, 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.960 had you know, telling what he did to get their respect? 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:25.719 You could apply that to like light skinned black people too, 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:29.800 like all the revolutionary lights, like they be the hardest. 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.560 Most revolutionary. Yeah, Huey Newton was. 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:36.840 Yeah, besides Marcus Garvey and Martin Luther King, every revolutionary 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:37.840 we had was light skinned. 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.480 Like in the seventies in New York, people just taking 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.520 your ship. You were just people was getting robbed like 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.440 you just got taken all the time if you didn't 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.600 step up. So you know, just had to be strengthen numbers, 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:48.040 and you had. 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.680 To be you didn't have an older brother or older cousin. 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:51.920 I had an older cousin. He was a dopian, so 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:53.000 he wasn't helping all. 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.840 So you didn't have the luxury of him. 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:55.400 Not. 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.240 My sister went out this big black cat named Sam 0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:06.040 Lewis and sam it down Samwich like I have respect 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:06.720 from Sam. 0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:08.200 Yeah, that's the one thing. 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.560 You never wanted to hear it on the playground, which 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:11.799 was I'm gonna get my. 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.440 Up like call it in the cavalry. 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:18.480 I was a good athlete as a kid too, so 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.440 I always like had some death because of that. I 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.480 played at the boys club and I played basketball, baseball. 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.799 I was like a real jock when I was young, 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.799 so you know, I always got a pass because of that. 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:32.480 All right, So as you got older, I mean, how 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:36.160 did I know that black parties were always you know, 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.279 in your life as you said, But I mean, did 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.120 they have him Sez there or it was just it. 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.680 Was pre EMCs there was. It was really pre rap. 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.400 Rap wasn't on the map yet. And I remember, I 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.239 think I was in sixth grade when I first heard 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:52.200 rap and it was it was a sugar Hill gang. 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.480 And my friend Columbus van Horn told me that that 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.160 was that there was this dual grand Master Flash and 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:00.880 he got me a tape. It was in seventh or 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.400 sixth grade, and he lent me a tape, and that 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.920 tape was it was one of the flash shapes, I 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.000 think it was fifty beats, one of those, and had 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.440 birthday party on it. I remember that clearly, and I 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:11.920 used to just listen to it all the time. I 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.560 didn't want to give back his tape and finally had 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:15.719 to give it back to him because I didn't have 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:17.799 a tape to tape back then. I don't I don't 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.440 know if they were invented yet, but that's when I 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:23.799 really started to be enamored by what was becoming rap 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.360 and and kind of saw that there was something beyond 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:26.680 just that. 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.319 Sugar Hill record really yeah. 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.120 And then and then I heard led Zeppelin and and 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.360 all that shit, and I kind of like lost interest, 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.480 you know, because it was it was uptown. It was like, 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.200 you know, when sugar Hill came out, that was like 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.719 a novelty hit that wasn't like it. There wasn't a 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.640 lifestyle attached to it yet, at least where I lived, Like, 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:45.239 we didn't know about that really. 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.000 So there was a period in which you were going 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:52.919 to just not go straight rock, but you discovered the Yeah. 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:54.480 And I also like funk. I was really in the 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:58.280 funk too. I was into like Brothers Johnson and stuff 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.480 like that, Like I like Parliament, Brother Johnson, all that 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.279 stuff that was out at that time, because funk was 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.640 kind of like it was the middle ground, you know. 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.120 It wasn't like it was it was kind of half rock. 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.319 It was just kind of what you listened to back then. 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:13.040 Funk was popping, and you weren't a DJ or had 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:14.080 aspirations to be one. 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.080 No, you just happen to know a lot of information 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:17.720 about records. 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:22.880 I know a lot about records. I always collected records. 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.600 So that that must have been amazing too. At least 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.399 there was a point where it was a novelty for 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.000 a white person to know a lot about black music, 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:34.360 you think, at least around my way, Like I remember 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:41.239 being pressed with this kid, uh, I think Danny Digatanio. 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:49.399 I forget his last name, but he knew he knew no, no, no, 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:50.480 but he knew. 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.880 Don't mess with my man, Columbus. If you call Columbus Columbus, 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:55.120 he'd be like, yo, my name is Jackie. 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.120 But he knew T Connections is like groove to get down, 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:04.560 like something that was so obscure and so breakbeat black 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.040 that I was like, Wow, you you really know your records. 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.080 I mean we used to roller disco when we were young, 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.200 like so that was also like you know, all those 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.960 records were records we were rocking with, so you know, 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.560 like Slave, Touch of Love, all the roller disco jams. 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:19.799 So when you became a professional? 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.280 Am I a professional? Has opened to debate? 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.439 Man, Well how did how did you? Was def Jam 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.280 your first label or like did you yeah? 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.799 Yeah, Actually the myth is I worked at Depth Jam. 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.759 I actually worked at Rush Productions. Then there was a 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:39.359 difference that not really there was like well like if 0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:41.600 you worked at Rush you got Lere's lunch. If you 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.080 worked at Depth Jam, you got Russells. 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.600 So what's the difference between Well yeah, I mean both 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.920 both logos held holy for anybody that was rushtown. Man, 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.680 So what was the difference between the two worlds? 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.960 About what I just said? Lee Or is meaner than Russell? 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:05.000 Really? 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.960 Oh yeah? Please still even when he was younger, he 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.680 was a meaner than he's nice. Now we are so gentle. Now, yeah, 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.400 he's a nice I mean, I love Leor even when 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.600 he was mean Leor like that, Lear might not have 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.640 a life, So I love Leor he's he's my that's 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:17.560 my Rabbi. 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:21.759 All right, so leor uh can I can I do 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:25.480 I have a liberty to say that Lear effectively replaced 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:26.120 Rick Rubin. 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.759 I wouldn't say that there was there was. There was 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.040 a lot of there. 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.840 Was Lear even at def Jam when Rick Rubin was 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:37.040 at the Helm. Not really so Rick and Rick never 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:37.920 went to the office. 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.879 And and once Rick realized how important he was, he 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.359 he wasn't around a lot, and he wanted to make 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.960 rock records and and really the Beastie Boys and everything 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.520 that happened licensed to ill was the divide between Rick 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.880 and Lee. Or that's really when it all happened. 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:57.760 Okay, So to update the those that are listening, Uh. 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.160 Of course, deft Jam is probably believe the most important 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:02.840 hip hop one hundred. 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:11.200 It's also the first label or hip hop empty that 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:15.279 was cognizant that cool white people were an active and 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:20.200 participant and monetizable audience in rap music. And Russell's the 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.359 first guy to see that. You know. That's why he's 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.600 so smart. He realized he could sell run DMC to 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.200 white America, that he could sell rap music to the 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:29.120 middle of the country. 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.719 I always wanted to know why he wouldn't put run 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:37.440 DMC on Deaf Cham and he already signed a profile profile. 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.840 They lost the contract that Yeah, they tried. 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:42.839 They tried and and and those guys, you know. 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:44.040 They lost years over that. 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:45.880 They lost three years, kind of ruined their career. 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:51.640 That was because it gives that gap between and back 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:54.840 from no, no what back mail. It was uh, raising 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:59.200 hell and tougher than leather. It was those years, hundred percent. 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:00.560 That's when the ain't changed. 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.080 Even in the book, the Run book, they talk about 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.040 it because at the time when that came out, they 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:06.760 were dated. 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:07.160 They were done. 0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.080 They were like he said, DMC, he said, he knew 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:14.120 it was over when I think I guess the tumble 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.840 Leather came out and they were listening to Nation and 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:22.120 millions and they just liked. 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.959 Percent right, Yeah, I mean yeah. 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.240 They wanted to get him off there, and Corey Robbins 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.000 and c plot Nikki they had him, They had them 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:29.440 hemmed up. They couldn't get him off the label. But 0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.840 but my my working at Deaf to him, like I so, 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:34.480 I grew up kind of with the Beastie boys. I 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.200 know him since junior high school and were all in 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.400 the punk rock and then hip hop came along and 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:42.160 we all got swept up in that. That was that 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:43.960 kind of took our lives. So it was really run DMC. 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.520 That was a band we heard and they sounded so 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:50.000 punk rock, like they were so abrasive and and it 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.080 was like they dressed like the audience. They didn't dress 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:56.040 like a Brokereick James. So so we were like, Yo, 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:58.279 this is the craziest shit ever. And that that was 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.319 really what like, that's hooked us for life, That's what 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:01.680 it was. 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:06.239 Yeah, cats have to know that. You know, early hip 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:11.279 hop was just mirroring and p funk was still a thing, 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.200 so you know, I mean people in Africa, Membata and 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.839 then were trying to emulate the crazy d yeah fire 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.040 ship exactly. 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:23.040 If anything, Run DMC was. They were what Nirvana did 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:24.520 to metal bands in ninety one. 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:28.800 They change, and it happened to run DMC. 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:29.879 Yeah. 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.560 Cats, you know, Cat showed them the door, you know. 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.000 Because they stopped because cats stopped, hollering stopped. It was 0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.320 intricate and you know that was it every five years. 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.240 But yeah, but back to Leoris so okay, so Leor 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.680 what was his position was, I. 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.040 Mean it was the president of Rush Productions a rush 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:49.880 Town management. 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.560 Okay, so he was did he hire you? 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.239 So I got hired? This is the craziest. So I 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.600 got hired because my friends showing caras off rust in 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.400 Peace aka the Cat, and he roll managed the Beasties. 0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.480 He was like my best friend and uh he plugged 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:06.160 me with the job. Ricky Powell went on tour with 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:11.360 the Beasties. I stayed and my lady wouldn't let me 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:12.839 go into I had a girlfriend at the time when 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:14.200 I lived with him. She was like, no way, you're 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:15.600 going on tour with those guys. 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.680 I could imagine because I met Ricky Powell in his 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:23.640 later years. Ricky Powell was like, well by then he 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:28.319 was there there. Uh, I'm about to say yes. Well, 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:34.600 they called him the trim coordinator. Dave Skill can rest 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.879 in Peace still was the trim coordinator. You're right, and Dave. 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.399 Dave was the coolest cat ever. Dave and Ricky were 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:42.279 like there, you know, I love Ricky, but Dave was 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:43.920 infinitely cool than Ricky could ever be. 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:45.080 I met. 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:46.920 It was they've had game for days. 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.239 So yeah, I guess I met the Beastie boys in there. 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.640 Like responsible Buddhists. 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.200 You met him in the Dalai Lama year. 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:57.440 Yeah, like Vegan stage, and they were all responsible and 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:00.319 respectable and everything, and I was looking for were like 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.640 the beer cans and the Phallan symbol and. 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:04.000 That's what house the pain in them told me too. 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.880 They wanted tour the Beastie Boys and they wanted to 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:09.319 like where's exploding Dick. Yeah, they were like, yo, what 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.000 do you mean, Like, you guys don't go out and 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.120 get drunk and be people like you don't go craze. 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.560 So by that point, yeah, he he was taking photos. 0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:18.880 He was taking a lot of photos. 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.120 He was also, uh, he was being nefarious. I'll leave 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.879 it at that, But I mean I. 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:30.080 Could imagine how crazy Ricky Powell was during that license. 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:31.839 So you went on license ill tour. 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.480 I was on the first leg and then I came home. 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:35.319 Yeah, what was that? 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:35.520 Like? 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:37.040 What was that like? 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.000 It was a little whild man. I remember I went 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.360 to La with with Eric Is, a graphic designer, and 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.640 we hey, we ran around with them dudes, and we 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.719 got them a skateboard deal that never came out. And 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:48.080 that was like the first thing I ever did in 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:50.160 the business when I first got a job. And I 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:51.719 guess I'd hit a home run and they let me 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:53.080 hang out for a while, and then I went home 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:57.719 and stole Ricky Palell's job. Basically, Sean was like, yeah, 0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.680 Dante should do it, and I was off ae flunky 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:01.839 and uh. But I went out every night. I went 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:03.759 to night clubs every night, and I started to hang 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:07.080 out with Russell a lot and all those guys. They 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.160 took me out and and it always asked me what 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.000 records were the records, like what's popping up here? What's 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.640 I'll go to Latin quarters spots they weren't going to, 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.000 and they always want to pick my brain. And I 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.560 realized like, hey, I might know something. I might maybe 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.680 be an A and R guy. And Bill Stephanie aka 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.040 Mister Bill wanted to hire me as an A and 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.600 R guy, and they didn't give me the job, but 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:30.360 he always was like, yo, I want to hire you. 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.799 He always told me you you really know music. And 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:34.960 he was like one of the first guys who really 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.480 let me know, and and and and the guy Chuck 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.960 D two. Chuck D and me would rap about music forever. 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:43.399 So so I give a lot of props to Chuck 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:43.920 D two. 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.279 Bill work at def JAMPI did he was. 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:51.239 I think he was. I think President Biller was a publisher, Yeah, 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.000 I think I think he might have been a president 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:54.680 of Bill Stephanie, mister Bill. 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:59.000 And he grew up a public enemy. Wow. So just 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.360 during that period, like what I mean, I mean it 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:02.759 was me. 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.440 Faith Newman, Bill Stephanie, Bill Adler, Hank Chocolb. You all 0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:09.120 worked in the office for your Cohen and like you 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.400 never knew who was coming in office. Run came in 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.520 one day and yelled at l like it was just wild. 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.040 Like it was like there was antics going around. And 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:19.600 I became friends with jam Master J. I used to 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:21.000 play ball with J a lot because I was like 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:22.799 I was really into playing basketball back then. 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.839 Were you official? Did you have a first edition Deaf 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:26.560 jam jacket? 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:28.719 I did. I had a Burgundy jacket for sure. 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:30.920 So did that mean everything? 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.400 That meant you could get into any club for free 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:38.120 and definitely meant that chicks were checking for you. So 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.600 in the coincide, I was in the Stuicy Ad back 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:45.120 then too. So between those two things, between those two things, 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.000 it was like I was like nineteen twenty years old, 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.200 you know, I could do a lot of things. I 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.520 was brand named below Fourteenth Street. 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.160 So you mentioned the Latin Quarter, Latin Quarters, was I 0:45:56.520 --> 0:46:00.280 I've never heard a club more name dropped in acid 0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:00.719 hip hop. 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.640 I mean, because that's where the changing the guard comes from, 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:03.800 That's where that next wave came to. 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:05.440 Can you tell me what a typical night was in 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:06.160 the Latin Quarter? 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:07.920 Typical night of the Latin Quarters was? 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:08.839 What night was it? 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:10.919 It was? It was Friday? Was the night you wanted 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:15.080 to go so red alert DJ and and it was 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.959 always Brooklyn violator beef that was always possible to jump off. 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:22.439 So he said beef beef, like serious beef, like for real, 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.480 real live beef. Because when you went to rap shows 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.759 back then, it was dangerous like and and and you 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.960 didn't care. I mean, I didn't have nothing to take. 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.080 What do you can take my deaf jam backet? No, 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.280 I didn't have. No, I had thirty six dollars. 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.600 Man. So someone would come in profiling light with a 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.640 bunch of slick ricked gold on they. 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.400 Were taking your ship? Was it for Green Mission Posse? 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:44.160 All the dudes on the back of Eric's album, they 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.120 might grab your ship or some other people, but the 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.160 A Team Cane's people, you know there was. There was 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:51.600 a lot of people out there who were doing a 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.600 lot of things, and I was friends with Red, so 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.160 so I had to pass. I didn't have to check 0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.720 my coat. I could go upstairs hang out with Red. 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.840 That's how I met I met, That's I met d Nice. 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.920 I knew karras one back then. Search is the only 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:07.600 other white dude I've ever seen that. Oh and Dave 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.520 Funk and Klein Rest in Peace. You know it was 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.239 it was a wild environment, but uh, you know, you'd 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.719 see like a great act might to justice and Kara 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.440 rest would come out. I seen Dougie battle Bismarcky on 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:22.440 the beat box at the anniversary and Dougie pulled out 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:28.200 the harmonica and slayed biz what played a harmonic MV 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.160 Bucks at the same time and did the cool ast 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:33.319 Dougie dance and he was just I mean, doug to 0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.680 me is the greatest student. Didn't have the biggest record ever, 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.520 because he was the best performer pretty much. I mean, 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.640 he was amazing. I said MC lights for a show. 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.840 I seen Kane DJ for Schante. He was he was 0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:48.240 the DJ back then. He was DJ for everybody before 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.279 he was an artist and my friend, my friend Key. 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:52.440 Oh he's another white guy, but he's he was so 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:53.560 extra extra. 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:54.319 Uh. 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:57.080 My man Blake Latham, he told me that Kane was 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.439 the best rapper in Brooklyn, and I wanted to bring 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.879 Kane in the office and and Russell and said, noah, 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.319 he's fucking with flat tying them and we can't steal 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.680 artists because we're doing their deal at Warner Brothers. I 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.600 remember that Chris Rocky used to do comedy up there. 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:11.560 I mean it was you know, Carris, one of. 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.960 Them, and it was just club like how many people. 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:18.399 Maybe a thousand people, not even maybe No, forty six 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.239 Street right right there, right there it was. It was 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.640 you know what's stairs? It was Heather Hunter was the 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:23.400 co check girl. 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.520 What's the soul food? What's the soul food spot on 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:27.840 forty fifth Uh. 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.840 Yeah, I mean Popeys Virgils. 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.399 Ye, that is the Latin Quarter. No, well, at least 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:36.880 across the street. The hotel That's. 0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:37.640 Quarter was on Broadway. It was right on the block 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.080 between Broadway and Seventh. It's not there anymore. It's a 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:42.800 parking lot now in a big building. It's been torn down. 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.480 So it's not on forty sixth Street or forty fifth, 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:46.279 forty six. 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:49.640 It's not there anymore. Popey's was right across the street. 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:50.279 McDonald's was. 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:52.719 I remember where the oh guys in bad that. I 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:54.000 remember where the Popeyes is. 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.759 So I saw Salt and Pepper. I've seen Sandy get 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.040 a chain take it right in front of Popeyes. It 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.440 was like, yeah, that's a nice thing. Bang Is that 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:03.160 just typical? 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:04.759 Like that was how it was. 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:07.200 I mean, you know, you know who I knew back then, 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:11.520 Clark Kent. That was my man from back then. He 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.680 was always the coolest cat. He was cool back then. 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:15.760 Love Clark. He got me my deal with Nike. 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:17.920 That's my big guy, Clark, that's my brother. 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.960 So you would go there just on the weekend, I know. 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.880 Every Friday. Every Friday for about a year, I go 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:25.959 to Latin Quarters and it was just a wild spot. 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:26.719 Other spots to this. 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:31.560 Red Parrot was was popping on fifty seven occasionally that 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.560 that became the Copa. Then there was downtown parties like Payday, 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:37.120 Milky Way. 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:38.319 Man. 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:41.040 I mean I went to like I went everywhere. Man, 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:43.319 I went to the rooftop, I want to everything, you know. 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:44.600 I went to skate Key. 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.279 So was there a difference between the Harlem parties and 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.759 the oh hell yeah, So what's a rooftop party. What's 0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:55.000 the difference between I mean cars one go to Harlem and. 0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:56.680 Of course he would he would kill it. I mean 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.200 the rooftop was like, for one hundred percent, I'm the 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:03.680 only white guy there. And downtown parties, you know, they 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.360 had much hotter girls, less threat of violence. 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:11.120 You know, the rooftop was more. 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:13.640 Quarters. No, Quarters was the most violent because dudes from 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.279 Brooklyn went go to the rooftop right because they didn't 0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:18.200 check your coder to get in or anything to check 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.879 your coat everywhere, except if you knew people at the quarters, 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:22.680 you have to check your coat. So if you came, 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:24.040 if you came with red alert, you don't have to 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:27.319 check your coat. Ah, depending who you came in the 0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:33.319 door with. So you know it was hierarchy. So this 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.640 guy rend the land Quarter's name is Mike, Mike Goldberg. 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.279 He was a Jewish guy. He'd be at the door 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.759 count he'd be at the door and he would all 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.280 and this dude pee we got killed was the bouncer 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.719 in this dude house. And I knew them all. They 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:46.400 would all be like, oh you're good. Who you with like, 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:50.000 come on, you're good. So I got to know them all, sure, 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:54.400 so much history and quarters were I saw everybody. That's 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:58.320 where everyone came from. Though karras One came Bismarcky Jewish 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:00.480 crew rock him everybody. 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:03.880 All right? Can I ask you? Have you seen somebody. 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.000 Not make a good impression on the Latin Quarter club 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:09.239 that otherwise? 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:15.640 Because hammer, wow, wait a minute, new music seminar formed 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:17.759 at the Latin Quarter in the New Music Seminar when 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.880 the Quarters wasn't even a spot no more, and he 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:24.480 didn't rock. I mean you, is this the chronological orders bad? 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:26.160 But I know Grand Pooball was there too because we 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:26.600 were laughing. 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.359 So would this would possibly be the incident that's being 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:31.839 referred to at the of the turn this mother out video. 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.279 You ain't hting a new hitting shout? Okay? So that 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:37.800 was eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty. 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.479 Eighty eight because Cors was on the way down. 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:44.279 Wow, because this album was eighty eighty seven. So in 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:47.239 my in my head, I'm thinking like you're speaking of 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.000 nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine to ninety, so you's saying 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:52.439 that it was on the decline even in eighty eight 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:53.080 eighty eight. 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:54.759 It was, it was on it. It was starting to 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:58.200 be a little too violent. Little it just wasn't popping 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.120 like it was because you could go to downtown on 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.400 parties and it wasn't as violent, right, and there was 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:03.239 more girls. 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.799 All right. So a nerd like myself, where would I go? 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:08.080 What year. 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:16.400 Eighty nine? Now? Mind you if. 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.239 You might go to Nels or you might go to 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:23.120 to Milky Way, depending what you want to do. 0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:29.440 McDonald all right, So should we get into block of 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.239 music before we start talking about his life? As in 0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:35.320 r Yo man I I gotta geek out just on 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:39.120 on hipp hop folklore. This is Dante Ross on Quest 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:43.560 Love Supreme only on Pandora. I guess we're gonna go 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:49.200 into uh some st fifty stimulating what is stimulated dummies? 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:52.080 Give us a name because he was like, yeall some 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.520 stimulated dummies. When we were working with l O. N. 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.080 S way back, who were the stimulated dumb was me, 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.080 my partner John Gamble, and my partner GiB did John 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:04.200 and uh we all had various roles at different times. 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.200 John was the engineer, me and GiB You war the diggers. 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.200 Wow, that's incredible. 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:18.280 Three strikes the fop dous three strikes, the fove thousand three. 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.600 Strikes, the FOP thousand three. 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:25.360 Strikes, the five douts three strikes, the five thousand three strikes, 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:29.960 the FOP thousand three strikes, the FOP thousand man starting 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:31.640 FOP thoutans ritchy written. 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:54.520 So that was three strikes, five thousand third base on 0:53:54.719 --> 0:54:04.000 Quest Love Supreme, produced by our guest Dante Ross and 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:11.080 the Stimulated Dummies that' Steve fifties. So I guess we 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:11.560 should start. 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:12.520 You know what those drums are? 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.600 Right? Uh M? 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:19.000 I just capt a clean copy of the forty five 0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:19.480 again too? 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:19.920 What is it? 0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:24.160 Super Fine from behind Woman by the Cleveland Wrecking Crew. 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:26.320 Wow, I never guess that. 0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:28.000 I was a large the other day and I was like, 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:28.400 you got this? 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:31.080 He was like, damn, so you're still digging. 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:33.400 I still dig for forty five is larger than Diamond 0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:35.240 got me back into it recently. 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.160 I'm yeah, I've running around again. 0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:41.000 The large bro is like he just he took me back. 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:42.040 Yeah. 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.320 I thought I was out the game of digging, and 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:50.360 then I saw Diamond cutting, Diamond cutting, uh these records 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.759 on YouTube forty five and then like and then it 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:55.759 pulled me right back into it. 0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:57.880 Like he was cutting the booker t he was killing it. 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.839 I want to get out. I literally wanted to get 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.759 out the game of digging. And now it's calling me. 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:08.600 It's I'm just on the forty fives. 0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:11.719 Yeah, no, same here, like I'm only collecting forty fives now? 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.720 And is it because we're bored or we just called 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:15.240 we're bored? 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:18.320 I bought every sneaker. I don't need any more. Jordan's 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:20.400 got a house. 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:22.200 What am I going to do? 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:22.719 So? 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.279 How did you become an R? Was it by designer? Just? 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:25.839 Nah? 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:27.680 It was the fault man. I was just I knew 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:31.480 music and I was always around and and uh daddy 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.200 O from stettsosnic He loved me. That's that's my og. 0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:36.839 And he they offered him a job at Tommy Boy 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:38.800 and he plugged me in and he was like, I 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:41.440 don't want to do it, but my little homie right here. 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.279 And I went to meet Monica and she liked me 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.840 and I had a second interview. She played me De 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:51.080 La Soul's demo and I lost my mind and she 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.759 hired me A couple of days later. This Monica Lynch, yep, 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:57.120 Monica Lynch was also She's like one of my mentors. 0:55:57.160 --> 0:55:59.960 She's one of the smartest people and the most intense 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.280 people I've ever worked with. She's a wonderful person. 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:06.920 So well, not what was it like working at Tommy Boy. 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:08.080 Tommy Boy was wild? 0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:08.680 That was. 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:11.359 Man, That was a wild job. 0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:11.600 Man. 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:13.120 I was a wild kid back then too. It was 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:14.160 like a whole different life. 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:17.920 The one thing that post told me that blew my mind. 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:19.839 I'm scared right now. 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:25.479 The one thing that posted news told me that blew 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.440 my mind about making. 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:31.719 Three feet High and Rising was the fact that they 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:36.880 made that entire record for about twenty five thousand dollars, 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:41.799 which if you know what record budgets are, I mean, 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:48.080 even in the height of over indulgent recording budget. 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:54.399 Figures. Let's let's pick it, let's say nineteen ninety four. 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:55.880 If you're successful. 0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:00.239 R and B act I know that in Vogue was 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.360 I think that the second budget for their budget for 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:06.360 Funky Devers was like in the area of two million, 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:11.200 whereas you know, a cat like Michael Jackson, you know, 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:14.560 I'm certain that his budget was closer to ten million 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.120 for like even a compilation like History History. 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:20.720 But somebody had to pay for that statue. 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:26.160 That's a lot of animals. 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:34.760 Yeah, but how in God's name were these budgets? Being like, 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:37.320 that's the first thing I would ask. I mean, one 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:39.720 of my favorites about like what were the recording budgets? 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:41.280 Like cnipers Hill told me like, well, we had a 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:43.480 good budget ninety thousand, and I'm like what. 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:47.440 Yep, how I mean? People were just so happy to 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:50.040 get on, you know what I mean, And studio time 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.560 was cheap. And the crazy thing about Daylave is they 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:55.280 made most of the record in the studio. It wasn't 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:58.520 like they came with like anything. We were all recording analogs. 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.160 Everything's done in real time, you know. And they came 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.439 in with the records and sampled half of them right there. 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:06.600 It wasn't like Paul was showing up with discs. It 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:08.560 was like most of that stuff got made right then 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:08.920 and there. 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:11.160 And with the samples. How did you guys handle that 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:12.720 at all the time? Well, we cleared, we. 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:15.040 Cleared all except one. The one we got caught for. 0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:19.800 It doesn't count. 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:23.160 And I mean, the one thing I'll say about Dayla 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:27.000 and Paul is they had a lot of those ideas already. 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:29.120 And and you know this, you know this question It's 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:32.440 like you have a lot of that stuff mapped out 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:33.880 in your head already. You know, I'm gonna use this 0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:36.200 with this, with this, with this, with this. So when 0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:38.360 you get in the studio, because you don't have any 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.200 home equipment, you do your stuff, man quick. You know 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.720 exactly what you're gonna use. It's kind of like you've 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.160 already sorted it out in your mind, all right. 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:49.240 So we have Bob Power, uh, also on Quest Love Supreme, 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:50.560 and I was trying to get him. 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:54.040 So Powers did some of that record, not that much though, right, 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:54.840 But my. 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:58.480 Point was that the most important element of what made 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:02.120 three feet High and Rising three and Rising, or the skits, 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:06.120 and I was trying, I mean the way that it felt, 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:10.080 It felt like it was happening in real time. Right, 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:14.480 It felt spontaneous, Right, but I know that you know, 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:17.240 MIC's have to be set up and samplers have to 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:21.240 be pressed and looped and all these things. So something 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:25.040 like take it off, Uh, just a. 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:33.280 Mindless litany of of of of them dissing fads and 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:38.919 hip hop sounds. Rather, it sounds that spontaneous at the time, 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:41.400 or even can you keep a secret? Where I first 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:44.480 heard Dante is a scrub. I mean, why did they 0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:46.640 call you a scrub by the way, because this is great? 0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:50.080 So like you were you the boss Bill of three Rising. 0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:51.600 I don't know about that. 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:53.800 I was really in a playing sports back then and 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:56.520 just athletic, like it's like a skateboard and all that. 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:59.800 And we want to play basketball in LA with some 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:02.120 the rhyme syndicate and those dudes couldn't play ball. I 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:06.800 was like, Jesus christy fucking scrubs. I was like, look 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.840 at you guys, like really, And that's really where it 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:11.840 came from. And then another time we went to Houston 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:13.440 it was like one hundred and ten degrees and they 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:15.680 wouldn't go swimming, and I like, you know, I was 1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:17.520 in the pool like are you kidding me? Scrubs, Like 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:19.920 you ain't going in the water, and they like wouldn't 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:21.440 go in the water. So that was that, and that's 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:22.680 they were like, Okay, we got you. 1:00:23.360 --> 1:00:26.960 So when they're turning this into you guys like I mean, 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.240 how how do you an r three ft high? 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:30.920 I mean I was there the whole time they made 1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:33.080 it pretty much, so it wasn't like they were turning 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:34.720 it into me. I was like I was in the 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:37.960 studio like ninety percent of the time, and and we 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:40.120 were just namored. Because the first two singles had hit. 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.480 We knew we had something. And the biggest quandary was 1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:46.080 do we put the album out in October November? We 1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:48.440 save it to next year, and we pushed it back. 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:50.680 I was gonna say, you released it in January of 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:51.600 eighty nine. 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:53.160 Yeah, because we didn't want to put it out at 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:54.320 the end of the year and the fourth quarter and 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:57.520 have it miss and and you know, me myself and I. 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:00.000 It's funny because that was not one of the first 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:02.200 songs they gave us, But when we heard it, we 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:04.000 knew what was a hit and what was What was 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:07.040 ironic is that the first two records we had, we 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:10.480 had K Day on retainer basically, and so they had 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:13.480 they had a big West Coast audience. We would go 1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:15.120 to k every time we're out there. I one with them. 1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:17.680 We did shows at World on Wheels, which was the 1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:21.760 craziest crypt out spot ever, and man, we had an 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:22.720 audience out there, so. 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:26.040 That that was the Latin quarter of the West Coast. 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:27.600 That's when we first seen Gang Bang and me and 1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:29.840 Pos almost got arrested Jay walking on the Street. We 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:32.000 seen dude of Jerry Crows all that, I met Dre 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:34.720 back then I met Drey and and ice Cube. It 1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:36.680 was it was bugged out. We met seven eight three, 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.160 We met Cypress before they were Cypress, like all that. 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.840 Oh cool and Cali I forgot about seven three. That 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:47.880 was the Alchemist. That was mugs. Oh sorry. Alchemist was like, 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:53.040 we don't, we don't know, look alike? Who was who 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:56.480 it was? I was hooligan hooligans. Damn, I'm tripping. I'm 1:01:56.480 --> 1:01:59.919 gonna getting my West Coast history mixed up? Bludfoot Wow. 1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:02.520 So how. 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:06.960 I mean, how do you sell? They are sold? Because well, we. 1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:09.160 Already had a captive audience, so it wasn't a hard sell. 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:12.160 That's you know, that's what you're taking out of the equation. 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:15.360 They already had a validated fan base. We knew it. 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:18.000 Those singles were selling. But we were on the radio 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:21.480 daytime radio in New York, in LA We knew they 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:23.840 could sell tickets. People were going to see them. When 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:26.400 Deylas Soul played, everyone would go to see them. They 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:29.920 were the coolest band. So to us it was more like, oh, 1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:32.840 where's the single? We have a single, Now, how do 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:35.200 we run with this, Let's run and Monica came up 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:39.000 with a lot of the imagery. She she just poured water. 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:42.880 She like she put growth powder on like what they 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:45.960 already had, Like she threw grow lights on the hippie image, 1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:48.080 you know, and they kind of that was them naturally. 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:51.240 They were just different. And she instead of you know, 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:54.000 pondering it, she was like, oh, let's run with this. 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:57.080 This is great. And until her credit, she somehow knew 1:02:57.120 --> 1:02:59.400 that collegiate White America eat it up. And they did. 1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:01.640 I mean it went. 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:04.000 It went quick, man, it was it was It was 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:06.920 not slow, like really they they were on. They were 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:08.920 on from from the minute the album came out. 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:14.600 Well yeah, I always say that that album literally cut 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:19.720 a lot of the bullying around my neighborhood off. It 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:23.000 became cool to be weird. Yeah, literally because even before 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:28.000 like before then, uh, my only black hippie reference was 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:32.320 like maybe Princess Sign of the Times period, of which 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:34.200 it was still shaky in the hood. 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:38.480 But once eighty nine rolled around and Kat saw me, 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:41.880 especially after the potholes in my lawn video, they were 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:45.360 just like, oh, oh okay, you crazy like the daylight guys, 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:49.800 and like that was my past like suddenly I became cool. 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:51.520 It was validated. Yeah, totally. 1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:53.760 I mean they were just dressing like a lot of 1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:55.880 kids were dressing downtown. They were just from Long Island. 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:57.840 But it wasn't rap dudes dressing like that. It was 1:03:57.920 --> 1:03:59.560 kids who were younger and more progressive. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.920 But the thing was because of the defensive nature of 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:07.200 the Lost Soul is dead, I am too, am I 1:04:07.320 --> 1:04:09.760 to believe that they did more fighting. 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:11.960 Yeah, defending themselves. 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:13.720 I mean, if you ever talked to Pass, you know, 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:16.120 I mean, man, me and Mace got. 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:18.760 Yeah, they got kicked off the nichel. How do you 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:19.960 get kicked off the ll to it? 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:21.600 I mean they were got in a fight. They were 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:23.920 always you know, they weren't having it like Mace's you know, 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:26.200 he was all of them. I mean, they're not soft kids, 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:28.280 you know what I mean. I mean, you know, they're 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:30.520 still young black men, even if they have some hippie imagery, 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:31.640 they're like still down to go for that. 1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:33.400 Were they getting in fights because people because of. 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:37.240 The people tried to test them for sure? For sure? Wow, 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:40.600 nobody in the BK lounge just as well, you know, 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:44.640 I mean, granted that's funny because because Pass hit me 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:48.560 up today. I just those That's one of the greatest 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:50.840 groups I ever worked with. They're like just even now, 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:53.080 they're just such great rappers. And that's the other thing. 1:04:53.600 --> 1:04:56.400 They invented an entire new way of rapping, right like 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.440 they were unique and original. They weren't. They were sands 1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:01.120 cliche and tough guy bullshit. 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:05.360 So the whole time, there wasn't any fear of this 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:07.760 might not make it or. 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:10.000 Not really man because we we knew we had a 1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:11.520 captive audience. It wasn't it. 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:12.080 You know. 1:05:12.200 --> 1:05:14.480 We did two singles before you got to Remember and 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:17.200 both those singles hit plug tuning in and poddles hit. 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:18.400 We knew we had something. 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:22.920 Uh. Also, I guess Latifa, you did you a r 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:23.640 her album? Yeah? 1:05:24.160 --> 1:05:25.760 No, I didn't do the whole album. I signed her. 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:28.440 I signed her because of Latin quarters. Forty five King 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:30.520 came up to me and knew who I was and 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:33.600 played me a beat tape, and I knew who he 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:36.040 was because his promas weren't read alert and him and 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:38.400 Fact five Freddy called me up like I think it 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:40.160 was that Monday on the phone and played me a 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:43.280 bunch of Latifa records over the phone, And I don't 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:45.240 know why Freddy didn't come to the meeting that week, 1:05:45.560 --> 1:05:48.200 but they came without Freddy, and he brought the whole 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:51.800 flavor unit and we played around. Now it was four 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:55.640 or fives a patchy patchy, No, it's just a patchy Ltzi, 1:05:56.280 --> 1:05:59.760 Marky Fresh, Who's who's a slept on maybe member? And 1:06:00.480 --> 1:06:03.480 forty five King and and we decided we're going to 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:05.560 sign on the tief. I called Monika and and I said, 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:07.360 play that again. We played it again and we ended 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:09.440 up signing her. We signed up for peanuts too. 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:10.320 Wow. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:14.920 And and I will tell you this, she's wanted. Unlike Dayla. 1:06:15.480 --> 1:06:19.120 She exuded superstar energy from the minute I met her. 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:22.480 She had a million dollar smile, and she was funny 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:25.560 and engaging. She had it like I was like this, 1:06:25.720 --> 1:06:27.880 she got it. She could sing hi rap too. I 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:30.280 didn't know. She didn't write raps back then, so. 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:33.720 She knew instantly. Blamo like we were like, I'm a star. 1:06:34.240 --> 1:06:35.840 Yeah, I don't know she knew it, but we knew it. 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:37.960 Did you sign anyone else? Tommy Boyd? 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:39.800 Is your underground? But then I left. I didn't. I 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:41.600 didn't stay to make the record. I found what you 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:43.880 liked because I didn't make any money. 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:46.479 How they how do they come across your radar? 1:06:46.600 --> 1:06:49.640 Even this dude named Adrian Gregory who had TNT Records. 1:06:50.040 --> 1:06:51.960 I knew him from from Cats in the Bay. I 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:53.640 have a lot of family in the Bay and I 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:55.000 met him when I was in the Bay. I can't 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:56.840 remember what I was doing. And he was like, yo, 1:06:56.880 --> 1:06:58.720 I got this record, do what you Like and bang 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:03.960 bang bang, like yeah, exactly. And he was working with 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:07.240 Digital back then, and they gave me. They had Underwater 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:09.760 Rhymes was the record he gave me. And then he 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:12.120 sent me do what you Like. And then I was like, oh, 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:14.320 this one's popping, and we signed him. And I played 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:16.200 do what you Like in the commers room at Tommy 1:07:16.240 --> 1:07:18.600 Boy for Daylight and they were like you better sign that. 1:07:19.040 --> 1:07:19.320 Wow. 1:07:20.840 --> 1:07:22.800 And then we signed them. And then you know, I 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:24.800 wasn't making any money. I started getting offers to get 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:28.600 jobs elsewhere. I almost went to work at Capital for 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:31.560 my man Tim Carr, who stole the Beasties from from 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:33.760 Russell and them like a thief in the night. My 1:07:33.920 --> 1:07:36.280 man he tried to get me over there and and 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:38.880 and I didn't take the job. And I remember he 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.400 had signed Mantronics and and he played me man Tronics 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:42.840 new music, and I was like, I'm not feeling it. 1:07:43.200 --> 1:07:45.920 Was that the Brooklyn way to get into. 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:51.000 Yeah yeah it wasn't popping though. 1:07:51.200 --> 1:07:54.160 I like that one, like that one. 1:07:54.760 --> 1:07:58.680 I like Joyce Simms. Yeah, I liked all that. I 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:01.919 think that's that's hop. But so people were offering me jobs. 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:03.680 Ended up taking a job at Electric because I like 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:06.960 the guy. I mean it was Tommy Silverman upset or well, 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.600 Tommy Silverman was mad cheap, like I'm gonna I'm gonna 1:08:09.760 --> 1:08:14.440 just say it straight up. My lawyer was Andy tavel 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:17.280 at the time, and we wanted to get me like 1:08:17.400 --> 1:08:19.679 forty thousand a year, and he offered me like thirty. 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:23.040 I was making like twenty five. Maybe it's thirty something. 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:26.000 And he offered me a company credit card too, and 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:28.240 and my man was like Andy Tavl was like, I 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:30.639 got mad in the meeting and he was like Dante, Relax. 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:33.200 And after the meeting he took me out. He said, 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:36.920 that guy's small potatoes. There's a whole world for you 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:40.200 out here. Relax. You have a big record. We're gonna 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:43.679 we're gonna, I'm gonna shake some trees an article mentioned 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:47.000 me in the New York Times, and he started calling people. 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:49.880 People started offering me jobs. Russell tried to get me 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:53.360 to work there again. Capital offered me a job, and 1:08:53.520 --> 1:08:56.320 I took a job. Literally, I took a job at 1:08:56.320 --> 1:08:59.599 Electric Records cause I really liked the boss, Bob Krasnow. 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:01.880 He told me he had signed Parliament Funkadelic back in 1:09:01.960 --> 1:09:05.000 day ambertra Pryor and I had had I had a 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:07.160 three finger ring on and he took my ring off. 1:09:07.720 --> 1:09:07.840 Oh. 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:09.120 He asked me if he could try to ring on 1:09:09.200 --> 1:09:11.360 and he gave me some big diamond pinky ring and 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:12.800 I was like, yeah, we should trade rings. He's like, 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:15.720 I don't think so, kid, And I just thought his 1:09:15.800 --> 1:09:19.160 whole his whole style was he was real cool and uh. 1:09:19.200 --> 1:09:22.240 He offered me real money, and I decided that's where 1:09:22.240 --> 1:09:25.040 I wanted to go. So you're saying that a hip 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:27.439 hop A and R, there was no such was a 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:30.800 hitting off an R yet. Okay, So what would a 1:09:31.920 --> 1:09:35.680 regular an R If you're working at Atlantic sixty to 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:38.920 a Hundle as a director maybe sixty maybe one hundred. 1:09:40.040 --> 1:09:42.920 So the cat that like signs led Zeppelin or she 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:46.320 back then they're making at least six figures. Yes, at 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:51.120 least and this is only because Tommy Boy was a 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:54.200 small label. And why why did they may like when 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:55.320 did the Warner deal go down? 1:09:55.360 --> 1:09:59.080 Like why Brothers deal was already in place, so even then, yeah, 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:01.400 and Monica. The crazy thing is Monica don't want me 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:02.840 to leave, and I didn't want to leave. And I 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:04.880 told Andy that. He was like, they're never going to 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:06.680 pay you. He's like, I was like, but I love 1:10:06.760 --> 1:10:08.400 my groups. He's like, they won't love you. Don't worry 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:10.320 about it. Go get a check straight up. He told 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:11.880 me he kicked the real to me, and he was right. 1:10:12.479 --> 1:10:13.840 And and. 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:18.160 I wanted to sign Grand Pooba because I love Masters 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.280 of Ceremony and I had the Brand Nubian demo and 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:23.479 Monica Lynch said, I just want to say to you, 1:10:23.520 --> 1:10:25.599 I don't think it's ethical if you signed Grand Poohba. 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:27.120 And I was like, don't worry, I ain't gonna sign 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:28.799 Grand Pooba because I signed Brand Nubian's. 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:33.679 That was that was so was that your first signing 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:36.439 at his man Fante's man. 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:42.640 And that it was fire because she flopped. I was 1:10:42.720 --> 1:10:45.559 on the ropes. And then an article came out Nelson George, 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:49.519 my man, who he Monica got so tight? She said, 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.880 Dante didn't really sign Dayla Soul and and he's taking credit. 1:10:52.960 --> 1:10:56.200 He's executed. Nelson George wrote some little thing about me 1:10:56.760 --> 1:10:58.920 in his column, and yeah. 1:10:58.840 --> 1:10:59.920 He's trying to do a takedown. 1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:02.280 I don't think he did it on purpose. I don't 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:05.000 know what it was. You know, Nelson's my man. Whatever, 1:11:05.040 --> 1:11:07.560 blah blah blah, want on the bridge. And then this 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:10.760 lady I worked with, she she put she photocopied and 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:12.000 put it in front of a couple of people and 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:13.960 they called me in the office and I thought they 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:15.439 were going to fire me. Hat a flop and that 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:18.240 came out and my boss was like, I don't care 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:20.040 about all that. He's like, go make a hit. No 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:22.240 one remembers. No one remembers the flops. That's what he 1:11:22.320 --> 1:11:25.719 told me. And Brand Nubian, So we talked about Dayla. 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:29.040 Brand Nubian was signed for fifty five thousand dollars and 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.360 they went over budget, and I thought I was going 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:33.720 to get fired. And I told my boss, I said, 1:11:33.920 --> 1:11:37.599 I'm twelve thousand dollars over budget. He said, who cares? 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:39.400 Metallica record cost a million? Dollars to make. 1:11:39.560 --> 1:11:42.320 Yeah, I was gonna say, like, at what point. 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:44.000 Is it? 1:11:44.080 --> 1:11:46.400 At one point is it a good record? I said, 1:11:46.439 --> 1:11:47.200 I think it's great. 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:48.679 Wow. 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:52.920 See you're saying that hip hop, even in its classic phase, 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:57.360 was so cheap Baltic Avenue, Mediterranean Avenue. 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:03.400 That majorly just saw it as a quickie cash. 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:06.599 Who knew? I mean you know what, I'll even blame 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:09.720 myself a little bit on that, right because I thought 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:11.760 that's what you paid for a record. I didn't say 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:13.800 they need two hundred thousand dollars. I didn't know. I 1:12:13.960 --> 1:12:16.920 was coming from the Tommy Boy paradigm of making records, 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:18.800 So I thought you made a rap record for fifty 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.000 thousand dollars. I thought that was good. You didn't know 1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:25.240 the scale was Yeah, I had no concept. Even being 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:27.519 super cool at the b SE's and seeing how rich 1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:30.200 they got, I still had no concept. I really didn't. 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:32.040 I was young and naive. I did not know. 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:35.680 So shout out to the Beasties for realizing that over 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:37.519 saw the niggas for what they did to the Cold Crush. 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:47.599 So Brand Nubian now. 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:50.160 My favorite record I ever made. I'm just gonna say 1:12:50.200 --> 1:12:50.840 it right now. 1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:55.519 Dude, I'm gonna ask you are you gonna add because 1:12:55.800 --> 1:12:57.120 I think I know where you're going. 1:12:57.240 --> 1:12:59.160 But well, you know, I gotta ask by the five 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:00.200 mics or what? 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:03.400 Well they got five mics, right, hell yeah, first five 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:06.760 mics when I see you know they had tried to 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:09.599 do me. It still got five. But you know something 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:13.640 though it don't say it was hot, I'm it was. 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:14.400 It wasn't hot. 1:13:14.479 --> 1:13:17.920 It wasn't hot, But I understood why because all every 1:13:18.000 --> 1:13:20.200 record had that had that record at the time. 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:22.519 Well, it's weird you said it because Okay, so the 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:28.000 day you remember when every seminal hip hop release required 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:30.560 like a mass listening amongst you and your boys, like 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:32.560 you all sit in the room like this and you 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:33.600 overanalyze it. 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:35.519 They smoke. We when we do that too, at least 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:35.800 I did. 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.960 So the day that we listened to Ready to Die, 1:13:40.280 --> 1:13:40.559 there was. 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:41.600 One song I ain't like on it? 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:45.040 What what was the one? What was your one? Respect? 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:46.200 Yeah? How you knew that? 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:50.320 But even that, to me, it was like, even though 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:52.960 it was the worst song, it was still pretty good. 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:55.040 Before that record came out, the way I heard it 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:57.280 was I was driving to the Hamptons with Jessica Rosenbom 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:58.679 and she said, you want to hear the Biggie record. 1:13:58.720 --> 1:14:00.360 I was like, for hell yeah, and I the only 1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:01.120 song I didn't like. 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:08.160 Well, my manager at the time said, oh, I see 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:10.880 what they did. And I was like what and he says, 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:13.839 you know, like and he used the brand Nubian Alumics example. 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:16.640 He says, you know how the try to Do Me 1:14:16.760 --> 1:14:19.320 song was supposed to be like that one small attempt 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:21.920 at getting an R and B hit on an otherwise 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:24.840 hip hop record. He's like yeah, He's like, you know 1:14:24.960 --> 1:14:28.680 that unbelievable is to try to do men of this? 1:14:29.200 --> 1:14:31.479 Well no, no, no, I mean but no, no, but 1:14:31.680 --> 1:14:34.760 just in terms of where you had a hip hop 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:37.240 record with just the one token arm. 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:42.080 Big attempt, well no, no no. But he's basically saying 1:14:42.120 --> 1:14:47.240 that they reversed a formula and made every song was 1:14:47.280 --> 1:14:53.280 single potential, but the one on the ground so wound 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:58.360 up being the underground record, which was, you know, unbelievable, 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:03.120 which you know it's it's kind of reversed, but at 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:06.000 the time, like I didn't. I guess I think I 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:08.600 knew if Masters's ceremony, I haven't seen it in the 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:09.600 record bins. 1:15:09.400 --> 1:15:14.000 But ceremonies. Fire. All I know is that cracked out. 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:16.360 Was fire really fire? 1:15:16.840 --> 1:15:20.160 Fire? They were fired. Pooba was fire back then. 1:15:20.360 --> 1:15:22.240 But how are you sold on? Like, what was it 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:25.160 about the group? You just wanted Pooba and whatever whatever 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:25.760 you wanted to do. 1:15:25.960 --> 1:15:27.800 Also, I was hung out with Poolba. He was just 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:30.160 so cool. I sang out him and paus K back 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:32.120 then and they were just man cool. I just wanted 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:32.960 to fuck with both of them. 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:35.920 See why weren't they a crew? They should have been, 1:15:36.640 --> 1:15:39.480 but because of the first priority situation possible. 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:40.320 They should have been. 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:43.519 Yeah, I felt disclaimeron tried to do me. 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:47.280 That was one of percent grand Poolba is doing. That 1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:51.400 was him because man, Dave hall is from mount that's 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:56.639 his man, and he's dope. Dave was Mariah Carey joint. 1:15:57.280 --> 1:16:02.120 He was trying to eat Dave jam Hallam. He was 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:04.160 trying to eat do me. That was the thing, because 1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:05.840 then it was well the genius he had come do 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:08.280 me like that was the That was a couple of 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:10.920 years before that. Did you have a hand and sign 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:13.640 the genius? No, No was on top. 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:17.720 Yeah, Rize was on yo rizzle when I went when 1:16:17.760 --> 1:16:21.240 I signed dirty, I you probably heard the story how 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:25.000 I signed Dirty Stretching by Beatle movie I Plug Plug 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:29.000 I heard, I was so, I was loving Wu Tang 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:33.240 protecting neck was and Maddie c my man who worked aloud. 1:16:33.280 --> 1:16:36.400 He told me that they weren't all signed, like almost 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:38.519 going like grab one of them while you can, like me, 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:41.439 throw me the rock. So I heard him up on 1:16:42.840 --> 1:16:44.840 Stretching Bob and I and I jumped in the cab 1:16:44.920 --> 1:16:46.560 and I went up there and I walked in and 1:16:46.640 --> 1:16:49.120 Rizza was there, and I was like, oh Ship. He 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:50.840 was like, yo, I know you from the God mil Kwan. 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:52.040 I was like, yeah, I remember you used to be 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:53.519 on time. But it's like, yeah, you knew me when. 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:55.840 I was whack, straight up, straight up. 1:16:56.120 --> 1:16:58.920 I'll never forget it. And I was talking those dudes 1:16:58.960 --> 1:17:00.280 for a while and I was like, yo, I I 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:02.640 love Dirty, I love Meth. Come see me. And I 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.360 was Thursday, supposed to see me Friday. They came Monday 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:08.519 and I and I remember they came to my office 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:12.679 and I told Rizza, I want to sign Dirty and Meth. 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:15.479 That's a new run DMC. And he told me, yo, 1:17:15.600 --> 1:17:17.639 that's an ill thought. But now I'm gonna put methanem 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:20.360 over there with Russell, but I'm gonna give you dirty 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:22.920 because he fits in with the gods. And I was like, okay, 1:17:24.280 --> 1:17:26.680 And he had a map, he had a master, he 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:28.840 had a mapped out. He like he wanted to put 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:34.639 him there straight up, all right, so many questions, wait 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:40.120 and and I'll say this too. Rizza was like the coolest, smartest, 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:43.280 most insightful. Like that guy is like back, I mean 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:46.000 from then to now, he's just like a gracious individual 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:49.680 like he always. I was just had great vibes with 1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:50.080 that guy. 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:53.680 He is. Wait, since since we're on to try to 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:57.720 do me? All right? So this is the significance of 1:17:57.800 --> 1:17:59.599 trying to do me was that this is was there 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.000 attempt at trying on the radio, right, didn't get on 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:09.160 the radio. I can see that urban outfit of love 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:16.800 shirts right now with the floppy I'll see if Heavy 1:18:16.840 --> 1:18:18.800 D were on this, it'd be you know, that's what 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:19.080 it is. 1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:20.200 It's a heavy D record. 1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:27.920 See baby. 1:18:31.800 --> 1:18:39.200 Shot the dhote. 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:41.240 Why you want to be so found? You know, swinging 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:43.760 one for something is not my style. I'm the text 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:45.400 tove min to die in the camp. But I because 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:46.559 that's one that could be just. 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:49.439 So your first rip is that I'm never hold and 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:50.759 you're sick and tired. 1:18:50.600 --> 1:18:53.320 Of being alone. But baby, I got what to do, 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:54.040 and they ain't. 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:56.120 No, we're gonna stop me for being bron How about 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:57.280 your rings and things. 1:18:57.040 --> 1:18:59.360 And all that good stuff, but you still beeping that 1:18:59.520 --> 1:18:59.880 dast not. 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:00.200 I know. 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:06.439 Let's sit down at discots, baby buster. When I'm still 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:08.160 a sleep friend. When I get out of close out 1:19:08.320 --> 1:19:10.720 window friends, I think the best thing for you and 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:12.040 me is just to play g. 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:20.360 You know what Johnson. 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:23.280 But I'm saying that when I got this record, I 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:28.160 wasn't exactly fast forwarding it. Matter of fact, I did 1:19:30.200 --> 1:19:33.160 fast forward. It was too fast forward when because there 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:36.600 was too this too? Okay? Was this one in my 1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:39.760 ministry dance ministry? Yeah, I love Dan there is? 1:19:39.920 --> 1:19:41.520 That was a military. 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:51.519 That's what didn't I didn't pass forward as my ministry. 1:19:51.880 --> 1:19:52.840 I used to run that way. 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:58.040 I knew was that I read the Okay, So this 1:19:58.240 --> 1:20:03.000 is when I knew the source was the Bible, because 1:20:03.320 --> 1:20:05.559 when I saw the review. First of all, they got 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:07.120 a five mic review and. 1:20:07.120 --> 1:20:09.519 They had a song that wasn't on there on that tape. 1:20:09.520 --> 1:20:11.479 They had a song that didn't make the album, which 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:14.479 it was a song with the scrolled jettis of where 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:18.040 is poo Bah? And it and the drums for it 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:19.599 became what's the four one one? 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:20.479 Wow? 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:22.000 No, not what's the four and one? It was the 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:25.400 Bismark drums Loafia Alfa rock and and that's why Puff 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:30.599 was fucking with Poohba back then. Oh where is Pool? 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:33.840 I need that song? John Scheckter has it and I 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:35.880 was like his and when the record make the record? 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:38.840 I have no idea why. There's several songs. 1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:40.560 There's several songs. 1:20:40.320 --> 1:20:42.479 She did that never made the record. Like there was 1:20:42.520 --> 1:20:44.920 also the Pete Rock song on this on a solo album. 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:47.320 What Yeah, you don't know about the song? 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:49.320 Pete Rock song didn't make the Bober. 1:20:49.080 --> 1:20:53.200 Maxwell Yes, their honey how You Live in It's It's 1:20:53.240 --> 1:20:58.920 on YouTube and Penguin. I have no Let me just 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:01.880 say this. There was no explaining the Grand Pooba. 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:04.920 There is no rhyme or reason the wait he had 1:21:04.960 --> 1:21:07.120 the final sale. Weren't you a r on the records? 1:21:07.200 --> 1:21:09.160 I mean I never got the master They made it 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:11.519 in Peach House on Peach peased to have the eight 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:13.960 track cassette in the house they made it on that. 1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:17.320 I I had a cassette, it made it to taste. 1:21:17.360 --> 1:21:19.720 So you're saying that, Okay, when we get to Pete Rock, 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:21.560 you're saying that half that stuff was just made on 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:23.080 an A track. 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:25.320 No, I mean just that was. He made all his 1:21:25.439 --> 1:21:28.240 demos like that. That's why they were so bright. So 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:30.479 when he went to Chunk Camp, I mean to Green Street, 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:32.559 that's why his records were so bright because he wanted 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:35.160 to match what he's doing in the house on the cassette. 1:21:34.880 --> 1:21:37.880 Chase, the demo Chase, the demo with Bob Powers is Chase, 1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:40.960 the demo demo Whitest Wow. So all right, So the 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:45.400 first line of the Source review was brand Nubian is 1:21:45.600 --> 1:21:49.759 New York and that just checked to write the review. 1:21:50.520 --> 1:21:53.920 I don't know if he did, but it just because 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:56.640 I haven't even heard of him. But the fact that 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:01.720 in the previous Source uh uh there's Summer issue in 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:05.880 which uh, I mean they gave trial. They reviewed a 1:22:05.920 --> 1:22:08.439 whole bunch of records, and America's Most Wanted. 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:13.200 Got five did so the record they reviewed like thirty 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:17.559 albums and the only five's awarded was People's Instincts of Travels. 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:19.520 America's most Wanted. 1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:23.800 Go Back, Let's Go back because people's instinctual travels of 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:24.880 five mic record. 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:30.280 No. I think at the time it came out, it 1:22:30.439 --> 1:22:33.040 was it was different from what it came. It came 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:37.519 it was not to me like it's actually my least 1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:41.679 it's not my favorite, least favorite. 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:43.800 What about beach Rhymes in Life and the love movement? 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:45.439 Let's get real beast rhymes? 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:46.360 That was the album. 1:22:46.360 --> 1:22:47.880 I didn't know people hate it until I got on 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:49.879 it right right, that was bumping Beast. 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:53.120 Rhymes of Life saying somebody had to here you. I 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:54.599 bought Chassy so Hey, I mean. 1:22:57.040 --> 1:23:00.120 And killed me and I made Chassy so and I 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:02.360 know respect. Those records are good records. They're just not 1:23:03.080 --> 1:23:06.080 like they're just not as good as as min Marauders 1:23:06.160 --> 1:23:08.560 and low End Theory, you know, because their bar was 1:23:08.640 --> 1:23:10.400 so high they're competing against themselves. 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:13.759 Well here's the thing though, because even on Okay Player 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:17.080 they had one of these like okay twenty five years later, 1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:20.880 how was this hold up? And when it came time 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:22.880 for Off for One, people were like, no, this is 1:23:22.920 --> 1:23:24.680 definitely not a five mic record, and I had to 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:29.760 My defense was that it was it was be all 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:33.520 for One, was beyond the music. It was more the lifestyle. 1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:36.519 I would give it, honestly, I wouldn't give it a 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:38.599 five mic. That's a four to four and a half. 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:42.559 There's two duds on it. Five mic record has no duds. 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:45.840 See, he's coming from a technical standpoint, and I guess 1:23:46.320 --> 1:23:50.439 the industry standard has has sort of Stockholm syndrome me 1:23:51.280 --> 1:23:57.160 to now make the product of the artists more than 1:23:57.320 --> 1:23:58.839 just the album itself. 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:02.599 Yeah, America, Americas Just Wanted is better than One for All. 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:04.720 I can rap with you on that. 1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:08.800 So is the first cypress album to me, know what, 1:24:08.880 --> 1:24:09.720 I'll give you that one too. 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:11.160 Wait, we about to have. 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:17.000 You have to have because Chris Midnight Marauders better than 1:24:17.040 --> 1:24:19.680 One for All two so was theory. 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:23.840 But it's a matter of significant importance. The thing is 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:26.360 is that you're right. You're right, You're right. 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:27.120 That's how it is. 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:30.280 I don't think there's a particular song or whatever, but 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:34.280 it's just the meaning of all for one I mean 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:37.680 and one fell Swoop, I mean, even all right, take 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:41.000 it this way. Even a record like New York, New 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:44.120 York by the Dog Pound, right, and in the first 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:47.760 twenty seconds of them mocking what they think New York 1:24:47.960 --> 1:24:51.639 is their first reference is what's up God? Indeed, God 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:55.120 your peace? God? Like making fun of five percent rappers. 1:24:56.760 --> 1:25:04.479 I think brand Nubians image and and and Ara was 1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:07.160 more important than all for one. 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:09.960 I get it now, you're right, it's a capsule. It's 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:12.840 a it's a you're like, it's a capsule picture of 1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:15.719 New York at that time, Perreo, the Gods and urths. 1:25:15.960 --> 1:25:19.000 And I gotta ask you how that's the white guy? 1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:22.880 Yeah, that's my question, half Jewish. 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:25.840 White guy about to say that's the question. That the question. 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:27.559 I'm like, how did you? Because I remember? 1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:29.439 Because I mean, I think we're just saying it's true 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:31.320 for me because I grew I came up in the South, 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:34.040 so I'm in North Carolina. So for me, Off of 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:37.479 One was the first album that I remember really hearing 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:40.240 and seeing, you know, the the guys on Earth in 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:42.600 the five percent terminology and like, okay, well what is that? 1:25:42.880 --> 1:25:45.160 And I remember the wake Up video where they had 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:47.040 like the white Man as the devil. 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:49.120 And shit like fab five Freddy did that video okay 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:51.640 and it got banned from m Did it got about that? 1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:52.880 Think about that. 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.519 This video? But but that well yeah, it was it 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:01.720 was just learning the terminology and all that. 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:04.960 I mean that was my first ye crazy is that 1:26:05.040 --> 1:26:08.080 I did so the remix version wake Up's original version, 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:13.080 and they did that other version second, and that version 1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:16.479 was actually better. Yeah the Warriors joint that one's way better? 1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:17.000 Are you were the. 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:23.720 Yeah, so my version is really the original version, but 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:25.240 they wanted to run with that one, and there was 1:26:25.280 --> 1:26:27.680 no arguing with the gods. And the one thing I'll 1:26:27.720 --> 1:26:29.840 say about their version of that song, it did not 1:26:30.000 --> 1:26:33.160 knock in the club, didn't hit it was it was thin. 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:39.040 All right. There mixes, oh wow, man. 1:26:38.960 --> 1:26:41.160 They love mixes on the first album too, Man. 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:44.000 How do you? I mean? But again it's like do 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:49.519 you mess with their progress because they were just loop 1:26:49.600 --> 1:26:52.200 ship and put eight to weight under its it. And 1:26:52.320 --> 1:26:55.560 it wasn't until Pete Rock, which I had actual definition of. 1:26:59.720 --> 1:26:59.760 No. 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:02.960 Even then, like Jungle Brothers in Tribe were. 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:05.320 Just I don't know, man, JB's coming through was knocking. 1:27:06.120 --> 1:27:08.479 That was but I mean a song like but a 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:10.519 song like it was done in your house. 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:13.040 Yeah, but I'm saying a song like feeling all right. 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:16.280 It was just But then when it got to like 1:27:16.360 --> 1:27:18.560 the second I mean, date raping all those records on 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:20.320 the win through. Those things are knocking. 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:23.479 Because Bob was there, but you know, I mean after 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:24.880 he rocks shut him down. 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:28.599 Even listening to Public Enemy, like I listened to him recently, 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:29.439 there's no bottom. 1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:34.320 It's all mid range, no definition, zero definition in their mixes. 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:35.719 That's what I'm saying. 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:38.720 Like your your era of of. 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:43.800 Of hip hop was redefined, I guess we now we 1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:44.960 got to have a Pete rock section. 1:27:45.240 --> 1:27:46.440 All right, let's. 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:51.080 One they know about about Brand Nubian. So Brand Nubian 1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:54.200 was a snapshot of New York at that time period, 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:57.240 much like cipercill was a snapshot of l A at 1:27:57.280 --> 1:28:00.280 that time period. There's certain records that capture or in 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:04.280 place too Short Born the Mac. They captured that place, 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:08.120 that that vibe of that city at that time period. 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:10.599 And that's why those records were all important. Very different records, 1:28:10.840 --> 1:28:13.560 but all kind of have the same cultural importance to me. 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:16.360 All Right, So wait, let's let's peep one of my 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:19.439 all time favorites from Awful One Step to the Rear. 1:28:20.280 --> 1:28:21.760 I got in there with a sample. 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:28.960 Which one Salame Street record No Yes Hurt and Ernie 1:28:29.000 --> 1:28:30.799 singing no Yep. 1:28:30.840 --> 1:28:31.439 Full circle. 1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:36.280 Ah here we go. Okay, every sring, my s. 1:28:38.040 --> 1:28:43.680 Sring, my sring, my al stuck steps of the rear. 1:28:43.800 --> 1:28:45.720 Grand Plu was on a rival, raised in. 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:48.479 The ghetto, singing songs, cost a vible, running around town 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:50.559 giving all the girls bool but snacks. I wouldn't try 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.679 to scale a style. You just my kats Katia figure. 1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:54.600 The way to get paid is the grand the microheightson 1:28:54.960 --> 1:28:57.479 move is to mainson, honey, don't take a person. There's 1:28:57.479 --> 1:28:59.639 no need to trying to just to swing up baby 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:02.599 on your two snaps up in the fringer. The marbleloon 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:04.760 babe went to the path and all you try to 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:06.120 step the list, it's void. 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:08.519 A new hit from the grand Man, working nights like 1:29:08.600 --> 1:29:10.760 the sand Man game four away in case I gotta 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:13.200 stop like that once. It is a trick that's not up. 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:15.680 My sleeves, possessed waiting for that sin that works when 1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:17.760 I blave it paint in the shade with the a 1:29:18.040 --> 1:29:19.960 as the grade, with the papes that I made from 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:22.400 this trade. So get him too, the grip you know 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.000 were it's a lot of TIMPs if you want to 1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:26.880 cash in on the winds grand people and I love 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:29.840 to hit skins, and you. 1:29:29.880 --> 1:29:34.040 Know what I've done song to sing. I've done song 1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:36.840 to sing. I've done song to sing. 1:29:37.040 --> 1:29:39.240 Who I've done song to sing? 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:43.240 Fun Now hear everybody don't care? 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:43.879 Every pard. 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:46.600 Don't hear everybody. 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:48.840 Don't care every pardy. 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:54.920 Hear everybody? Yeah, dog, I used to make pause tapes 1:29:55.640 --> 1:30:00.560 to Okay, a pause tape was before looping culture with 1:30:00.800 --> 1:30:05.240 Serado and other devices. Today, when you wanted to hear 1:30:05.280 --> 1:30:08.519 your favorite part, you would just take a cassette tape 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:11.200 and do the edits yourself by hand. 1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:15.800 So I would just make of just this section of 1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:21.120 the song, trying to figure out. I cannot leave this 1:30:21.240 --> 1:30:24.120 earth without owning the source of the record of the sam. 1:30:24.080 --> 1:30:25.880 I have the record. I know what the cover looks like, 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:27.519 but I don't know what the name of the song is. 1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:31.200 So a long time ago, and it's definitely a sesame 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:33.160 street record that CAMD was fucking with too. 1:30:33.280 --> 1:30:34.200 I'm sure we can find it. 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:36.719 Well. Yeah, I was about to say our next episode, 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:39.840 of course Left seventeen will be at unpaid Bill's job. 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:42.879 Let me come, I need to get some little reds. 1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:55.560 So Pete Rock love him, just easiest gotta work with 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:59.240 of all time. Really, oh man, So man, it was 1:30:59.320 --> 1:31:02.200 like making that record was so easy. I'd just go 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:04.200 to the studio like every couple of days and they'd 1:31:04.240 --> 1:31:09.280 be finishing another record, Megan. So even when he did 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:11.840 the EP, which which he didn't, I wasn't really around 1:31:11.880 --> 1:31:14.600 a whole lot with that one. But the set, you know, 1:31:14.880 --> 1:31:16.920 because we had the creator. We had a hit song, right, 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:19.080 so we knew we had to hit. So we're making 1:31:19.120 --> 1:31:21.639 an album. And I would just cruise by Green Street 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:26.120 and we'd smoke a little weed and then we ordered 1:31:26.120 --> 1:31:28.840 some food. And he also had like twenty five songs, 1:31:29.160 --> 1:31:31.479 thirty songs, like a bunch of records didn't go on 1:31:31.520 --> 1:31:33.800 the album, and and he would just play me ship 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:36.120 and I'd be like, Yo, what is that? And he'd 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.760 be like, oh, you know that's Esen Brothers. Take an 1:31:38.760 --> 1:31:40.600 inventory or whatever. He'd tell me what the record was, 1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:44.680 so I catch knowledge he'd filtered the baseline. Oh yeah, 1:31:44.680 --> 1:31:47.720 I used these drums like it was not only was 1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:50.320 it a pleasure to hear the records, it was like 1:31:50.720 --> 1:31:52.240 I was going to beat school. 1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:53.000 He was. 1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:54.400 He knew A lot he. 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:57.080 Played in the car was that he would play these 1:31:57.080 --> 1:31:57.720 beats in this car. 1:31:58.040 --> 1:32:00.479 Yeah, play in the car and then and Amy style 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:03.040 was an engineering and I ended up feeling Jamie to 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:05.880 do ever less later because I thought his mix has 1:32:05.920 --> 1:32:08.599 sounded so good and Green Street was just a really 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:13.160 nice environment. So and and Pete never beefed about anything ever. 1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:17.439 He never beefed once, never had a complaint. It was 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:20.160 like he was really he was really, he was really 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:28.280 young that way, and he was quiet back then. 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:34.000 As a record digger, there is no fear like the 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:40.640 look on a record merchant's face when he might have 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:45.360 to face the wrath of Pete Rock right Pete is 1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:51.320 if Pete finds out that someone else has purchased a 1:32:51.439 --> 1:32:53.479 record that Pete was intending on using. 1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:55.360 Another thing about Peter is when you shop with him, 1:32:55.360 --> 1:32:56.960 he didn't really show you a lot of shit. We're 1:32:57.000 --> 1:32:58.479 like I would shop with the beat nuts and be like, 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:00.360 you know this, even Dyla, I want shopping. One time 1:33:00.400 --> 1:33:02.360 he showed me some ship, but like Pete would would 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:03.760 never say anything. I'd be like, hey, you notice, and 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:05.439 he'd do the beat he knew about it, wouldn't tell 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:05.960 you anything. Dog. 1:33:06.840 --> 1:33:08.559 It would be to the point where like he put me. 1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:10.720 Up on the t Swift, he put me up on 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:13.240 a few joints, Eddie say a couple of joints. 1:33:13.280 --> 1:33:16.120 Oh, okay, okay, for a second, when you said t Swift, 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.479 I was like, wait a minute, huh wasn't she like three. 1:33:18.400 --> 1:33:22.320 Years old back then? No, I'm playing that's a second. 1:33:22.520 --> 1:33:25.559 No, No, I'm just saying record are you Jimmy Hendrick? 1:33:25.760 --> 1:33:26.920 Are you experience the drums? 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:28.400 But I'm saying that he. 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:30.280 Yeah. 1:33:30.680 --> 1:33:34.080 I would go to places and I'd be like, all right, 1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:36.880 we're the good record tight and and they just be like, 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:41.880 you know, I said what Pete, It's like yeah, you know, 1:33:42.240 --> 1:33:44.519 you know. And then it'd be a time where like 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:47.200 maybe a month or two go by and be like, 1:33:47.960 --> 1:33:49.400 did Pete pick up the record yet? 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:53.360 And he'd be like well, And then that's how I 1:33:53.400 --> 1:33:56.760 would be like, here, I need these records mirror. 1:33:56.800 --> 1:33:59.519 I went to his house one time in Spring Valley 1:33:59.800 --> 1:34:02.360 and he let me look at his record collection, and 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:06.800 every record I had he had doubles of, damn near, 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:09.240 and he had everything to the point where I wanted 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:13.400 to give up. I was like, God, damn it. He everything. 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:17.280 He would notoriously actually buy triples and quadruples of the. 1:34:17.520 --> 1:34:19.240 Else could get so that no one else didn't get 1:34:19.240 --> 1:34:21.560 the record, so he gave me some records too. He 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:25.760 I traded doubles with them a couple of times. He uh, so, 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:27.920 you know, I helped him out a lot, so you know, 1:34:28.000 --> 1:34:29.880 but he was a pleasure to deal with. Man. And 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:33.040 I always hear people like, you know, he may get 1:34:33.040 --> 1:34:35.840 a difficult tag now and again, but but he was 1:34:35.880 --> 1:34:37.400 really cool back then. And he didn't smoke a lot, 1:34:37.439 --> 1:34:38.960 and I was a mad potted and I started getting 1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:41.080 them high a lot. He like he got that. We 1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:41.799 started smoking. 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:46.280 Spring Valley, New York County live, yes, where he lived. 1:34:46.520 --> 1:34:48.000 That's where he had his first house. And and I 1:34:48.040 --> 1:34:50.839 don't know if you guys noticed that Pooba wrote the Creator. 1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:54.479 He wrote it for beats, he didn't get paid. And 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:58.320 he also wrote he wrote what's the other one? With 1:34:58.320 --> 1:35:00.040 Pete's rocking on it? He's wrapping up. 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:02.479 So by the number one brother number one can play 1:35:02.479 --> 1:35:04.519 that real quick. Yeah, that's great, Boss Bill looking at 1:35:04.600 --> 1:35:09.720 me like that song. He's a sweet soul brother, so 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:11.080 so so. 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:25.479 So comes you, So comes your soul. 1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:32.240 Soul brother number one year where I come on the NTO. 1:35:32.560 --> 1:35:34.920 That's the coded white because I'm rich, stick and chocolate. 1:35:35.000 --> 1:35:37.360 You lug up and you like up at Chippy Rocker's pocket. 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:40.759 Un Zobiezax, what's the bulls in my pocket? I tell him, player, 1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:43.880 I've rocked the top pick bottom never hesitate to say, 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:47.719 I'm rested on the hill side, over on the chill side, 1:35:47.880 --> 1:35:49.719 up town, So let's. 1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:50.519 Get down funk. 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:52.439 He is the word describbers brother on the souls. 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:52.759 Listens. 1:35:52.760 --> 1:35:55.800 Look it was herds more souls than the soul KITCHI see, yes, 1:35:55.840 --> 1:35:59.080 the scratch sober won't keep the itchest white people even safe. 1:35:59.160 --> 1:36:02.080 He rocking shitch caught it in the hottest, outer than 1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:04.600 the hottest. I guess that's just because I'm smarter than 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:05.240 the smartest. 1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:09.760 So back up, clear the path. Funny because come soul 1:36:09.880 --> 1:36:18.640 brother number one, number one? All right, So I just 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:27.320 realized that the number one soul brother sample. No, it's 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:32.760 it's MERV. Griffin introducing James Brown. It is okay, So 1:36:32.920 --> 1:36:35.560 there's a copy of there's a song called World that 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:43.800 James Brown did, and it's it's MERV. Griffin introducing and now, gentlemen, 1:36:43.920 --> 1:36:47.160 it's the number one soul brother James Brown. And then 1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:51.960 it goes so like James has a perfectly edited introduction 1:36:52.600 --> 1:36:55.560 of MERV Griffin from The MERV Griffin Show Before the 1:36:55.920 --> 1:36:57.519 World song starts Crazy. 1:36:57.560 --> 1:36:59.479 There's a lot of samples in it. There's bubblegum in 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:02.200 at on red more importantly pain. 1:37:02.720 --> 1:37:06.760 Yeah. That that's my favorite song on that record. 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:08.519 Because night Creation in there on the bottom. 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:18.240 Yeah. So by this point, how do you clear these samples? 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:19.720 Like if it's super obvious or. 1:37:19.760 --> 1:37:21.719 Do you nice rolling? 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:24.760 Do people come to you? Do people come to you 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:26.240 and you're like, hey, I was holding your money in 1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:26.679 es growth? 1:37:26.960 --> 1:37:29.120 No, no, no none. I would sit there with Pete 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:30.519 and I'd be like, yo, I know you used this, 1:37:30.640 --> 1:37:32.920 this and this. He might divulge another one he might not, 1:37:33.560 --> 1:37:35.400 so I mightn't catch And we didn't catch everything. We 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:38.040 definitely clear everything on those records, like without it. 1:37:38.240 --> 1:37:39.160 What about the interludes? 1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:42.679 Just oh man, we didn't clear any of those. Those 1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:47.320 were sure there's been you know, everyone knows everything now, 1:37:47.520 --> 1:37:50.320 so I'm sure he's had suit after suit. Well, I'll 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:52.400 tell you it's crazy. Step to the Rear Electric Records 1:37:52.439 --> 1:37:55.000 clear Tramp by Little folsom it's not tramp. And they 1:37:55.040 --> 1:37:57.960 did that retroactively, and I've already had a publishing deal 1:37:57.960 --> 1:37:59.680 and they were like, hey, there's a claim against when 1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:01.600 you're I was like, that's not what that sample is 1:38:02.000 --> 1:38:05.200 because it's it's uh, you know, it's the marquis Ah. 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:10.280 Even on Beats Rhymes in Life, they gave a good 1:38:11.240 --> 1:38:16.080 chunk of the portion of Pat and Pin to the 1:38:16.200 --> 1:38:16.760 gap band. 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:23.840 Really what for chess a little to a minuscule from Yearning? Yeah, 1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:26.040 but you. 1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:31.040 And I'm like, yeah, it was like thirty percent And 1:38:31.160 --> 1:38:33.720 I'm like, why did you even clear it? 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:37.360 Like that dude owns a published No, he goes after everybody. 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:38.280 He's trying to catch it. 1:38:40.280 --> 1:38:40.560 Have you? 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:43.879 I don't even want to bring this into existence. 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:44.640 Have you? 1:38:44.800 --> 1:38:47.920 Have you had had an air fugue situation? No? 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:51.040 I got caught for Camille Yarborough on the everlast record 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:53.400 She Caught Me. She caught me. She I had to 1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:54.080 pair some dough. 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:55.679 She did the Fat Boy. 1:38:57.360 --> 1:38:59.840 And I used to interlude just a little no what 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:03.400 sorry not familiar, bro, my bad Von Gray the Gray 1:39:03.520 --> 1:39:06.240 Lady album, I used a little into it's a whole 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:08.400 new thing like I used just a little vocal and 1:39:08.520 --> 1:39:10.400 I didn't clear and we settled with it was cool. 1:39:10.680 --> 1:39:13.240 It was no big deal. And I did roll the 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:15.840 dice on I'm not gonna down myself out on a 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:18.200 bunch of on several records that are big records that 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:20.519 I didn't clear things on I never got caught. Knock 1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:23.439 on wood good, Wow, there's someone wo's gonna hear this 1:39:23.479 --> 1:39:24.559 and go through my entire cattle. 1:39:25.800 --> 1:39:27.960 It's probably already up on who's sampled already. 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:32.240 Really and on rock records, people don't look as much. 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:36.280 So because I did all these remixes, I used man 1:39:36.360 --> 1:39:37.519 ship and people didn't. 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:40.920 Catch What did you say, John Spencer Blues Explosion. 1:39:40.760 --> 1:39:42.439 I mean I didn't clear any of that, and you 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:45.679 know there's something real prominent that one, So go sue John. 1:39:47.640 --> 1:39:49.080 I have no publishing. 1:39:50.000 --> 1:39:53.000 I miss touring with those guys like they. We went 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:55.320 on the Beastie Boys tour with John Spencer Blues. 1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:58.880 Explosion Orange right when they had banging. They were a 1:39:58.960 --> 1:39:59.479 great band. 1:40:00.120 --> 1:40:03.320 Old Russell Simmons on drums, he man, that guy, he 1:40:03.439 --> 1:40:06.640 it's hard. Yeah, he would go through like a drumhead 1:40:06.720 --> 1:40:07.120 a night. 1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:10.360 I mean I recorded him and his time was in tremendous. 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:12.880 Chuck Trees had better time. They played on. They both 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:15.240 played on a record for me and Chuck's stuff, I 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:16.640 didn't have to play with. I had to play with 1:40:16.800 --> 1:40:18.200 with Russell's stuff a bunch. 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:21.120 Wow. You know about the legend of Chuck Cheries. 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:23.639 That's my man. I used to skateboard with him, Nick rad. 1:40:24.040 --> 1:40:26.720 Yeah, Chuck ches forever nineteen year olds. 1:40:26.800 --> 1:40:28.719 Yeah, that's my man with the green eyes. 1:40:28.880 --> 1:40:32.439 Yeah, that's the man. So how long was your tenure 1:40:32.560 --> 1:40:33.120 at Electra? 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:35.920 I think it was almost eight years? Seven years. I 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:37.880 think it was a long time, close to eight years. 1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:41.559 Who am I missing besides cam d Old. 1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:45.960 Dirty bastard. I gave Bus for a solo record. I 1:40:46.120 --> 1:40:49.280 wasn't there by the time he finished it. But but 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:53.240 after Leaders flopped and and even while when. 1:40:53.120 --> 1:40:55.360 They turned Leaders first album, second. 1:40:55.640 --> 1:40:58.880 Second album, first album was it? To say it, the 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:01.040 second album was very joined it. I sent them back 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:02.360 in to do it again. They didn't want to do it. 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:04.600 When I wanted to go do the second album, I 1:41:04.760 --> 1:41:07.360 actually pulled Tip in. I said, Yo, you should be 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:10.120 the executive producer and just oversee it because there's too 1:41:10.160 --> 1:41:13.680 many moving parts. It's chaos. And Tip was down and 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:17.280 I pitched the idea to those guys and Buster wanted 1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:19.519 to do it and the rest of them didn't. And 1:41:20.080 --> 1:41:21.720 that's when I knew that Buster was. 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:23.639 Why did they go against their own interest? 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:26.960 Because they said, Yo tribes stole the East Coast stomp 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:31.360 from us. And it wasn't Buster who said that. I'm 1:41:31.400 --> 1:41:36.680 just gonna I'm not. You know someone who is? 1:41:37.479 --> 1:41:42.360 Who is the Who's the hardest group to babysit. 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:44.240 Leaders of the New School because they they might get 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:46.560 a fist fight in the middle of everything. It was 1:41:46.640 --> 1:41:49.200 always always rough with them. Brand Nubians were like, they 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:50.720 might beat me up, but not each other. 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:54.280 I'm about to say each group has a fistfight m 1:41:54.320 --> 1:41:55.679 v A and R office story. 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:58.840 Even Tarika and I had a fist fight NB A and. 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:01.720 R office knew me in never had I never had 1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:04.080 drama with him like that. Me and Jamar drawed at 1:42:04.120 --> 1:42:06.760 each other one time and that was that And and 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:09.439 jam Jamaar was definitely down the hook off on me too, 1:42:09.680 --> 1:42:12.479 and and it didn't happen so so, and I love 1:42:12.560 --> 1:42:15.360 Lord Jamar like much respective he's about his business. I 1:42:15.400 --> 1:42:18.960 love that guy and leaders. Yeah, I got into a 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:21.479 Charlie Brown one time in office and and just it 1:42:21.640 --> 1:42:23.439 was all fucked up. And I knew Buster was a star. 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:27.640 Everyone knew it. So me and Chris Lighty I had 1:42:27.640 --> 1:42:29.080 told him, I say, yo, we can bustle, got to 1:42:29.120 --> 1:42:30.840 do solo record. He's like, you're right, And we've worked 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:33.280 on Buster for a minute. And Buster finally saw the 1:42:33.360 --> 1:42:34.719 light and he did a solo record. 1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:38.120 And so do most acts just break up or do 1:42:38.240 --> 1:42:39.960 you have to say, okay, we're now? 1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:42.160 They all broke up. Every act broke up. It was 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:44.400 never me. I never had anything to do with breaking 1:42:44.479 --> 1:42:48.120 up any act. Specifically. I did offer a solo record 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:50.719 a Buster while they were still a band, that is true. 1:42:51.080 --> 1:42:54.240 But it was me and Chris Lighty and and and 1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:56.519 you know, big shout out to Chris light and my brother. 1:42:56.600 --> 1:42:59.320 I love him and miss him. He was the one 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:00.800 of the greatest people well I ever know from his 1:43:00.960 --> 1:43:02.960 business and in d nice sitting in a place of 1:43:03.120 --> 1:43:06.360 very few other people sitting. But but that said, and 1:43:06.520 --> 1:43:08.920 and Buster, you know, finally opened his eyes. He's seen 1:43:08.960 --> 1:43:11.080 it wasn't gonna happen, and it was time for him 1:43:11.080 --> 1:43:12.120 to do what he had to do, and he did it. 1:43:12.200 --> 1:43:14.120 And at that point in my life, me and Buster 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:16.400 were super close. He was going through a lot of 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:19.120 personal ship and that's what my little brother. I love 1:43:19.240 --> 1:43:19.960 him He's a great man. 1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:24.559 Were you there for the whole, uh Black Bastards scenario 1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:25.840 with cam d I was. 1:43:25.880 --> 1:43:28.360 That was that was really what disillusioned me about working 1:43:28.400 --> 1:43:31.679 at a major label. And I'd probably brought the camel's 1:43:31.720 --> 1:43:32.799 back cynical. 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:33.120 No. 1:43:33.720 --> 1:43:35.960 I stayed because it's hard to walk away from that 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:37.960 much money, especially you know, my mom's a school teacher, 1:43:38.040 --> 1:43:39.600 my dad's a writer. Like I grew up, you know, 1:43:39.760 --> 1:43:42.599 very blue collar. So so I can't say that I'm super, 1:43:42.760 --> 1:43:44.960 mister principle. And I walked away because this, that and 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:47.760 the other. I didn't but but I but I was, 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:51.720 I thought tooth and nail, and I lost. 1:43:51.680 --> 1:43:52.240 To explain it. 1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:57.720 Backstory, so black Bastards, so well, you gotta explain MD. 1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:00.080 I mean km d Is was was doing his of 1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:02.280 the sub Rock and Onyx. It was like he was 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:04.200 like the third guy, but he wasn't really in the process. 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:06.160 And I met them from third base. They were on 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:10.840 gas Face. He helped produce gas Face Doom. He was 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:13.639 my little homie, my man, and we went and made 1:44:13.640 --> 1:44:16.000 the first record. We made it in my studio. Basically, 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:19.280 who did peach us? Who he did peach? Was him 1:44:19.360 --> 1:44:19.840 or sub Rock? 1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:20.360 I mean, it's. 1:44:22.040 --> 1:44:22.960 Because no one was. 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:26.240 Playing no no way. You remember the video when was 1:44:26.280 --> 1:44:31.400 playing the well thought, oh my god, I played percussions. 1:44:31.479 --> 1:44:32.040 Popa did. 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:32.280 Uh. 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:35.920 He might help with nitty gritty though. But but those guys, 1:44:35.960 --> 1:44:39.480 you know, they those two were symbiotic in their relationship, 1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:42.320 resting piece of sub Rock and and they were just 1:44:42.479 --> 1:44:44.880 like family to me. And we made the first record 1:44:44.920 --> 1:44:47.479 and it it wasn't a big hit, but it had 1:44:47.600 --> 1:44:51.719 some some some lasting impact. And their imagery was always 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:56.960 based around the sambo character, about eradicating the stereotype of sambo. 1:44:57.280 --> 1:44:59.120 They were Muslims, they were part of the ansar A 1:44:59.200 --> 1:45:02.840 law community. Brooklyn followed doctor you know, Dr York blah 1:45:02.880 --> 1:45:08.600 blah blah, and so that said, you know, between the 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:10.599 first and second record, they had changed a lot of people. 1:45:10.600 --> 1:45:12.360 They've grown a lot. They experimented a lot of mind 1:45:12.400 --> 1:45:14.400 altering drugs. You know, they're not ashamed to say it. 1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:17.320 I think acid became a you know, a part of 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:19.920 the program. Blah blah blah. They're hanging out uptown with Curius, 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:22.200 George and them a lot. And and sub Rock died. 1:45:22.240 --> 1:45:25.519 He got hit by a car and he passed. We 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:28.840 buried him and and in awake of that Doom when 1:45:28.840 --> 1:45:30.920 it finished the record he turned in It's called Black Bastards, 1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:33.320 It's the Hangman game, and they had sample and they 1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:39.880 were hanging him and uh Havelock Nelson, Terry ROSSI, I'm 1:45:39.920 --> 1:45:42.439 gonna call him out. I don't care my Facebook for 1:45:42.520 --> 1:45:44.840 end and half a mile too, and I talked him 1:45:44.840 --> 1:45:48.080 about it and anything I'm gonna say right now, I'll 1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:53.080 say I said to him. And he's apologized. They condemned 1:45:53.200 --> 1:45:55.920 the artwork and the band and the label putting it 1:45:56.000 --> 1:46:00.559 out without ever giving an audience to Doom to defend 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:04.280 his rhetoric, his his vision, and they never let him 1:46:04.360 --> 1:46:08.000 talk about what what his messaging was. And I think 1:46:08.120 --> 1:46:09.160 I think that was uh. 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:11.040 So what did they see when they saw said it 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:12.040 was racist. 1:46:11.880 --> 1:46:14.000 That no, a major label can't put out a record 1:46:14.040 --> 1:46:15.599 with samble on the cover it's called black. 1:46:15.439 --> 1:46:17.400 Bastards, and knowing who was behind. 1:46:17.200 --> 1:46:20.679 It and and not right and and not also noting 1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:23.519 that symbal is getting hung right, so they're hanging in 1:46:23.640 --> 1:46:27.519 effigy the stereotype of and they always use samble with 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:29.920 the line through it. Yet they did not give him 1:46:29.960 --> 1:46:33.960 a chance to defend his vision. And his messaging and 1:46:34.120 --> 1:46:36.960 and they condemned him and Terry Rossi wrote about it 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:40.000 in her column, and so to Havelock circulated around my 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:43.160 building where I worked, and it was post the the 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:45.920 the body count Fiasco. 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:50.800 Billboard. Yes, because I remember that, like I religiously read 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:52.120 Billboard every week and remember that. 1:46:52.920 --> 1:46:56.719 George Rhythm and Blues column I think it was called. 1:46:56.800 --> 1:47:00.200 So so they circulated. My boss called me off us 1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:03.920 and he said, there's a lot of contentious feelings about 1:47:03.920 --> 1:47:06.840 this artworking and we're gonna put this before the review 1:47:06.920 --> 1:47:10.559 board at uh, you know, at the MG, and we're 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:12.640 going to see, you know, what people said. And he 1:47:12.680 --> 1:47:15.559 said that Vincent Davis, who had Keatswett, found this offensive, 1:47:15.920 --> 1:47:19.080 and Sylvia Rome finds this defensive. And it's been deemed 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:23.880 offensive by several black people that I didn't say that 1:47:27.240 --> 1:47:32.200 certain things I can't say the jack so, you know, 1:47:35.479 --> 1:47:38.200 so they wouldn't let the record come the They shelved 1:47:38.240 --> 1:47:43.599 the record. But my man came to the office today. 1:47:43.640 --> 1:47:47.040 We're going to meet the Warner Music what's got. Richard 1:47:47.080 --> 1:47:49.439 Parsons was supposed to be there and various other people 1:47:50.479 --> 1:47:52.320 Parsons and we're going to meet all these people, and 1:47:52.680 --> 1:47:56.560 and my boss said, they've canceled the meeting. We're not 1:47:56.640 --> 1:47:58.479 gonna have the meeting. I'm not gonna put the record out, 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:01.280 Bob kraz now. And he said, but I am going 1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:03.840 to give you back your masters, and I know you've 1:48:03.840 --> 1:48:05.439 been through a lot of stuff with your brother, and 1:48:05.479 --> 1:48:08.639 I'm going to also give you basically a like get 1:48:08.680 --> 1:48:11.000 out of jail free check. So he gave him a 1:48:11.400 --> 1:48:14.160 I think it was twenty thousand dollars check. And we 1:48:14.240 --> 1:48:16.360 went to my office and I had all this wine. 1:48:16.400 --> 1:48:19.479 Someone sent me a case of wine, Sweet Premium wine. 1:48:20.000 --> 1:48:20.120 Right. 1:48:20.200 --> 1:48:22.720 They have that song Sweet Premium Wine, right. So we 1:48:22.800 --> 1:48:24.519 always used to drink the wine in my office, and 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:27.600 we drank a couple of bottles and Doom said, you know, 1:48:27.600 --> 1:48:29.200 I should get dropped more often. I haven't got a 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:31.160 twenty thousand dollars check in my entire life. 1:48:32.040 --> 1:48:33.760 And that's real. 1:48:33.960 --> 1:48:35.880 The fallout is that no one would touch the record. 1:48:35.920 --> 1:48:38.439 Faith Newman, I know, wanted to sign them, and they wouldn't. 1:48:38.520 --> 1:48:41.040 She wasn't allowed to, and the record sat there and 1:48:41.160 --> 1:48:43.840 do him went in and he put on you know, 1:48:43.920 --> 1:48:46.519 he put on the mask, and he reinvented himself as 1:48:46.680 --> 1:48:49.880 MF Doom and power too. Man, that's the power of 1:48:50.479 --> 1:48:53.040 black man in America right there. Reinvention, right, this is 1:48:53.160 --> 1:48:56.439 crazy because we invented underground hip hop more or less 1:48:56.880 --> 1:48:59.000 on the heels of catching the biggest ll of his life, 1:48:59.080 --> 1:49:01.200 his brother dying and dropped. But you know what, he 1:49:01.280 --> 1:49:04.639 empowered himself. And I love that man. That's my brother forever, 1:49:04.840 --> 1:49:08.479 and you know he was We had a lot of stuff. Man, 1:49:08.560 --> 1:49:11.320 I'll never forget burying his brother. War well. You know, 1:49:11.360 --> 1:49:12.880 every time I see him, one of the only people 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:14.479 who talks about Skype and I have to tell him 1:49:14.479 --> 1:49:17.800 take the mask off. But I love that cat and 1:49:18.120 --> 1:49:20.599 he's a He's a wonderful person. And you know that's 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:22.439 that's the rap game right there. 1:49:22.520 --> 1:49:22.720 It is. 1:49:23.320 --> 1:49:24.719 You know, you got to deal with some bullshit. 1:49:25.640 --> 1:49:28.559 The single, what's the single that sampled the Jody Whiteley Loop? 1:49:30.160 --> 1:49:32.519 It was hot, that was my s I knew that 1:49:32.640 --> 1:49:33.320 it was gonna hit. 1:49:33.479 --> 1:49:36.479 And know the Ledge jacked him, right, You're right, they 1:49:36.600 --> 1:49:37.240 jacked loop. 1:49:37.479 --> 1:49:39.360 You're right, Shot, You're right jacked it. 1:49:39.720 --> 1:49:41.920 He was around. I love you. 1:49:42.800 --> 1:49:43.000 You know. 1:49:45.160 --> 1:49:47.960 Jack what it is you've been knowing the Jack. 1:49:48.000 --> 1:49:57.760 Loops and Steve. I cannot wait to get some of 1:49:57.840 --> 1:49:59.120 the dice on question. 1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:04.439 Probably because you stole someone's loop. 1:50:05.960 --> 1:50:13.960 It just gets turned off and ringo number ring. 1:50:15.479 --> 1:50:15.679 Wow. 1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:19.080 I actually have urshot Smith number seven. I have like 1:50:19.160 --> 1:50:20.240 seven phone numbers on him. 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:23.240 I got a bunch myself. He's a talented cat though. Man, 1:50:24.000 --> 1:50:26.720 he did doing it. People don't know that. He's a god. 1:50:26.760 --> 1:50:28.400 I did more records that people don't know he did 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:29.240 than anyone ever. 1:50:29.640 --> 1:50:31.120 Yeah he did one more chance. 1:50:31.439 --> 1:50:35.000 Yep, he did know the ledge he did Pep. 1:50:39.320 --> 1:50:39.600 Paul C. 1:50:39.800 --> 1:50:41.560 Might have done more records than people ain't know. 1:50:41.720 --> 1:50:43.320 Hello, man, please shot. 1:50:45.560 --> 1:50:55.920 Shot exactly number Sorry, sorry, just. 1:50:55.960 --> 1:50:59.400 Think how stupid is how stupid is the idea of 1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:01.800 stealing a because we were stealing them from the guys 1:51:01.840 --> 1:51:02.679 who made the records. 1:51:03.160 --> 1:51:07.360 So it's like, you know whatever, that's crazy, all right. 1:51:07.560 --> 1:51:11.080 So you're saying, so the last record that you A 1:51:11.240 --> 1:51:14.120 and R at Electra was Black Bastard. 1:51:14.240 --> 1:51:17.360 Nope, it was Dirty first. 1:51:17.520 --> 1:51:20.800 Ye thirty and the second Pete Rocket. Chronologically, I can't 1:51:20.840 --> 1:51:23.519 remember any ingredient. Okay, an ingredient, but no Dirty came 1:51:23.520 --> 1:51:26.439 out in ninety five, so maybe it's that one. 1:51:26.680 --> 1:51:33.040 Dude, How do you even how do you even Smith? 1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:41.920 It might have been how do you even communicate with 1:51:42.200 --> 1:51:47.600 old dirty bastard man? Wow? So so who put that 1:51:47.680 --> 1:51:48.240 record together? 1:51:48.439 --> 1:51:53.080 So they came to me with seven, maybe eight, anywhere 1:51:53.080 --> 1:51:55.640 from six to eight songs done. The rest of the 1:51:55.760 --> 1:51:58.960 music was basically on reels on two inches. A lot 1:51:59.040 --> 1:52:01.280 of the vocals were aready done, not all of them, 1:52:01.880 --> 1:52:06.559 and Rizza was like peace and Rizza he wasn't gonna 1:52:06.560 --> 1:52:08.479 babysit dirty. He had money to go get, and he 1:52:08.520 --> 1:52:10.920 went and got his money and he left dirty in 1:52:11.000 --> 1:52:14.120 my lap. I had to figure out with an engineer 1:52:15.080 --> 1:52:18.080 how to mix those records. And if you've ever had 1:52:18.120 --> 1:52:22.799 a multi from Rizza, his science is not my science. 1:52:23.760 --> 1:52:28.679 His periodic table is very Staten Island, and I'm from Manhattan. 1:52:28.760 --> 1:52:32.200 I had trouble understanding it. And he would literally take 1:52:32.240 --> 1:52:34.880 the base tone from the two inch reel from the 1:52:34.880 --> 1:52:37.560 two inch machine and play bass lines out of that, 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:39.559 and I didn't know what the hell he was doing. 1:52:39.640 --> 1:52:44.200 And I did struggle, but I got the mixes done eventually, 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:46.560 and he okayed them all. It took a year to 1:52:46.600 --> 1:52:51.080 get the record made, but in that year, the Wu 1:52:51.160 --> 1:52:54.000 Tang Clan because I signed before his album came out, 1:52:54.320 --> 1:52:56.880 had grown in leaps and bounds. So I knew I 1:52:57.040 --> 1:52:59.720 had to get to the finish line. And I had 1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:01.679 a very patient woman I live with at the time, 1:53:02.040 --> 1:53:05.040 and I spent an in or an inordinate amount of 1:53:05.160 --> 1:53:07.800 time and trying to finish that record. But I also 1:53:07.880 --> 1:53:10.320 knew that because the way Dirty lived his life. 1:53:11.800 --> 1:53:18.599 How many five am phone calls you get, man from studios? Man, Man, 1:53:18.960 --> 1:53:19.960 tell you one man. 1:53:20.880 --> 1:53:25.400 There's so much shit he did, Man, But but but Man. 1:53:25.439 --> 1:53:27.120 I walked in the studio one time. This is the 1:53:27.200 --> 1:53:29.559 best and my partner John Gamble, when I asked, he fifties, 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:31.719 who didn't engineer a lot of sessions. Was the engineer 1:53:31.760 --> 1:53:33.880 in the session? And I called earlier? I said, Yo, 1:53:33.920 --> 1:53:36.360 it was Dirty there. Yeah, Dirty Saire. I'm a swing 1:53:36.439 --> 1:53:38.599 bying while I swing over there. A couple hours later, 1:53:38.680 --> 1:53:41.400 trunk King and I walked in and no one's there, 1:53:42.200 --> 1:53:43.960 and I said, and my man had a weird look 1:53:44.000 --> 1:53:46.000 on his face. I said, where's Dirty. He's like he's here. 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:47.439 I was like, where He's like, here's the vocal boo. 1:53:47.640 --> 1:53:49.519 I said, why the light's out? He said, go in 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:50.080 there and see. 1:53:50.520 --> 1:53:51.200 Oh Lloyd. 1:53:51.400 --> 1:53:53.240 I walked in there and they're running and training on 1:53:53.320 --> 1:54:01.320 this chick and and I I walked in and dirty 1:54:01.520 --> 1:54:04.920 wasn't dirty, I guess had Irrety had already had his ride, 1:54:06.000 --> 1:54:08.200 and he's like, Yo, do you want to get down? 1:54:08.240 --> 1:54:11.840 I said, no, man, I don't rock caboose. And those 1:54:11.880 --> 1:54:14.360 guys said that to me for like six months straight, Yo, 1:54:14.439 --> 1:54:17.200 you rock caboose. Yet that was like their favorite thing 1:54:17.240 --> 1:54:19.240 to say to me. And that was like one of 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:21.960 the thousands of I mean, you know, he fucking took 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:23.960 the loll plaque off the wall and pissed on it. 1:54:25.120 --> 1:54:27.759 I mean, I'm saving that for my book. But needless 1:54:27.800 --> 1:54:29.439 to say, I was in between him and Chris Leidy 1:54:29.520 --> 1:54:32.920 about the It was a Mexican standoff and and it 1:54:33.040 --> 1:54:35.200 was fuck. It was yo and dirty, just like you know. 1:54:35.320 --> 1:54:37.480 I took him to La and he did this show 1:54:38.440 --> 1:54:42.120 and he, I mean he tore it down water ride 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:46.640 off stage and started to do another show in front 1:54:46.880 --> 1:54:49.760 on like a street lamp and like just stood there 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:53.320 in front of the palladium on Highland and started rocking again. 1:54:53.680 --> 1:54:55.520 And I had to drag him to the hotel. 1:54:56.080 --> 1:54:56.560 It was like. 1:54:58.440 --> 1:55:01.040 He was so wild in his it was the he 1:55:01.080 --> 1:55:04.040 would eat a box of donuts every day for breakfast, 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:07.280 ceplate donuts and then drink Cisco. 1:55:08.040 --> 1:55:08.360 He was. 1:55:10.120 --> 1:55:13.280 And he would fart and laugh, and I mean he 1:55:13.480 --> 1:55:16.360 just everything he did was larger than life. He got 1:55:16.400 --> 1:55:19.320 kicked out of so many hotels. And I will say 1:55:19.360 --> 1:55:22.040 this though, I knew I had to get it to 1:55:22.360 --> 1:55:25.560 the finish line, because there are times in life when 1:55:26.040 --> 1:55:28.520 you only know you have that moment in time, and 1:55:28.600 --> 1:55:30.480 you got to get there right. And I had to 1:55:30.520 --> 1:55:34.600 get there because I strongly suspected it never gonna happen again. 1:55:35.200 --> 1:55:37.600 Me get it while I can. And I dedicated a 1:55:37.760 --> 1:55:39.720 large part of that year to getting that record made. 1:55:40.080 --> 1:55:43.560 And we got a maide and and true master and 1:55:43.760 --> 1:55:46.880 Dirty got in a fistfight at the mastering session and 1:55:46.960 --> 1:55:51.400 if you look at the record, it says mastered by 1:55:51.480 --> 1:55:55.160 Tom the Referee Coin because Tom up got up and 1:55:55.320 --> 1:55:58.400 he he broke up the fight and he ended the 1:55:58.440 --> 1:55:59.880 mastering session and told me to come back the next 1:56:00.160 --> 1:56:00.440 without it. 1:56:01.600 --> 1:56:04.960 And so we were mastering the Hamilton record. If he 1:56:05.080 --> 1:56:07.240 told us this exact story, you know, Tom Coin is 1:56:07.240 --> 1:56:08.680 a G. Tom Coin, He's a G. 1:56:08.960 --> 1:56:10.720 Yes, I love that man. 1:56:11.800 --> 1:56:12.960 Shoes ready to go golfing. 1:56:13.160 --> 1:56:13.360 Yeah. 1:56:13.480 --> 1:56:15.960 Always, he's the least hip hop dude to master the 1:56:16.040 --> 1:56:16.800 most hip hop. 1:56:19.000 --> 1:56:20.680 Tom coins story of. 1:56:22.320 --> 1:56:25.720 Tom told me the story of how when he mastered 1:56:26.240 --> 1:56:30.480 only Built for Cuban linkx uh, they stopped at mint 1:56:30.560 --> 1:56:33.200 Master and said, yo, we got to put some some 1:56:33.880 --> 1:56:36.400 killer h interludes on here from the movie The Killer, 1:56:37.560 --> 1:56:41.200 but none of them had uh you know, the technology 1:56:41.280 --> 1:56:42.680 wasn't out back then to go on the internet. 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:44.280 So they're like, wait, I'll bear it back. 1:56:44.280 --> 1:56:46.160 I'm gonna run to i'mna run to the Allen and 1:56:46.200 --> 1:56:49.360 get my KILLO tape and Tom Coins like well, He's 1:56:49.400 --> 1:56:53.400 like they left for four hours, came back, got the 1:56:53.480 --> 1:56:56.400 Killer tape, but there's no television. 1:56:55.920 --> 1:56:58.160 To watch it, so they just had a BCR with 1:56:58.280 --> 1:57:01.520 no TV. They hook it up and they start acting 1:57:01.600 --> 1:57:05.440 out the entire movie. They literally act out the entire movie. 1:57:06.200 --> 1:57:08.160 Tom Coin recorded. He's like, all right, what part do 1:57:08.240 --> 1:57:12.280 we use? He's like, oh, wait, started again from the top, 1:57:12.840 --> 1:57:14.200 so then wow. 1:57:14.880 --> 1:57:16.480 So then he's like, all right, I'm gonna take notes. 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:18.560 And after a while they drifted off, stopped taking notes, 1:57:18.600 --> 1:57:20.400 and it was like it was ill the Seen God. 1:57:21.160 --> 1:57:23.400 And then it got to the end and Tom Coin's like, okay, 1:57:23.880 --> 1:57:27.480 you guys have your notes. It's like, ah, man, damn 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:30.280 play it one more time. He had to play the 1:57:30.400 --> 1:57:32.000 Killer three times in a row. 1:57:32.080 --> 1:57:33.880 P Rock showed up, did the interludes on a made 1:57:33.960 --> 1:57:35.680 ingredient with his twelve hundred, and did him in the 1:57:35.720 --> 1:57:39.600 studio really out of it right to mastering right there later, 1:57:39.720 --> 1:57:43.160 right there, that incredible whole joint. He did that right there. Ah, 1:57:43.440 --> 1:57:46.000 So y'all gotta add this Tom Coin game. That looked 1:57:46.040 --> 1:57:50.000 like you again, Tom Coin. Man, he's a master of patience. 1:57:50.840 --> 1:57:53.800 I've seen so many of my records and he was 1:57:53.920 --> 1:57:54.720 always my dude. 1:57:55.400 --> 1:58:02.680 I've seen old dirty pro tools and it's a mystery 1:58:03.400 --> 1:58:08.080 on how that just to hear it in its naked form, 1:58:08.840 --> 1:58:12.320 especially with his vocals. There's at least eight or nine 1:58:12.440 --> 1:58:13.280 tracks the. 1:58:13.280 --> 1:58:16.720 Punches, I mean like you can hear them like totally. 1:58:17.000 --> 1:58:18.240 I mean in all the bultangs, like. 1:58:18.280 --> 1:58:22.160 There's a Brooklyn zoo where the and I'm trying to 1:58:22.240 --> 1:58:25.080 figure out how did you cut? How did y'all cut 1:58:25.120 --> 1:58:25.640 in pieces? Right? 1:58:25.680 --> 1:58:28.040 So shimmy, shimmy. I tried to get him to do 1:58:28.160 --> 1:58:30.160 a second verse for months. 1:58:30.760 --> 1:58:33.839 He would not do it. He was like backwards. 1:58:34.080 --> 1:58:36.120 He did it backwards, and I walked in the studio 1:58:36.160 --> 1:58:38.280 said yo, I did shimmy shimmy, and he played it 1:58:38.280 --> 1:58:41.600 and I was like you mother, and then he was like, 1:58:41.720 --> 1:58:44.560 yoq tube did it. I was like, oh my god. 1:58:44.640 --> 1:58:46.120 He's like yeah. I was like, that's not Oh my god. 1:58:46.400 --> 1:58:48.040 He's like, whatever, my shirt's gonna knock. 1:58:49.160 --> 1:58:51.920 He was right, he was right as let me tell 1:58:51.920 --> 1:58:52.200 you something. 1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:54.680 Those records like they still hold up and and there's 1:58:54.720 --> 1:58:59.320 a real oh also Brooklyn Zoo So drums, I couldn't 1:58:59.320 --> 1:59:01.040 get the drums sound and right, and I chopped up 1:59:01.080 --> 1:59:02.760 the Brethren and I put the kick in snare in there, 1:59:02.800 --> 1:59:06.600 and Rison never knew He's yeah, I just put the 1:59:06.680 --> 1:59:08.160 kick in snare in there because I couldn't get the 1:59:08.200 --> 1:59:10.160 drums to sound right. So if you listen to a 1:59:10.200 --> 1:59:14.560 close you clearly hear the Brethren snare in there by 1:59:14.960 --> 1:59:17.680 the Brethren, which you know it's been in hundreds of 1:59:17.760 --> 1:59:18.360 records I made. 1:59:18.760 --> 1:59:21.840 So why did you after that record? Then? Why did 1:59:21.880 --> 1:59:22.200 you leave? 1:59:22.240 --> 1:59:26.120 Electra silver Rowe was my boss and and and I 1:59:26.160 --> 1:59:29.920 don't think she necessarily liked me. I can't say that 1:59:30.040 --> 1:59:32.440 she was a fan of Dante Ross. And you know what, 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:33.320 I can't blame her. 1:59:35.600 --> 1:59:38.760 I was I was. I was. 1:59:39.800 --> 1:59:41.760 It was a wild style. You know, you couldn't tell 1:59:41.840 --> 1:59:44.240 me a lot, and you know I was living a 1:59:44.280 --> 1:59:44.960 crazy life. 1:59:45.040 --> 1:59:47.600 And she didn't care about your reputation or your legacy. 1:59:47.760 --> 1:59:50.520 Nah, she didn't care about that. She she probably wanted 1:59:50.640 --> 1:59:52.800 like she might have wanted to just get me out 1:59:52.840 --> 1:59:55.320 to own my legacy because I because I signed Missy too, 1:59:56.080 --> 1:59:58.160 and Buster will tell you that. So I did a 1:59:58.200 --> 2:00:01.720 deal with Davante Swing and she hated that deal. So 2:00:01.880 --> 2:00:05.000 she dropped Missy when she was in Sister and signed 2:00:05.000 --> 2:00:07.680 her again. But but I had signed her the first time, 2:00:07.920 --> 2:00:09.800 and she was like, this deal is bullshit. You know, 2:00:09.920 --> 2:00:11.680 what do you know about R and B? And she 2:00:11.760 --> 2:00:15.080 would really like talk. She was very belittling to me 2:00:15.200 --> 2:00:16.000 and meetings and. 2:00:16.160 --> 2:00:20.440 Wait a minute, how does how does she negate your 2:00:20.560 --> 2:00:24.080 deal for the label? But then restructure is the deal 2:00:24.200 --> 2:00:24.800 for the label? 2:00:25.080 --> 2:00:29.240 Like I mean she did, but wouldn't she bringing Missy 2:00:29.360 --> 2:00:32.320 to the she got she she didn't sign, by the way. 2:00:33.000 --> 2:00:35.440 It took a year later or two. But that said, 2:00:35.720 --> 2:00:38.000 and Missy was like, yo, you I know you're the 2:00:38.040 --> 2:00:40.720 person really signed. She always held me that and it 2:00:40.800 --> 2:00:42.560 was just like a bustle will tell you that it 2:00:42.640 --> 2:00:45.160 was just a bugged out period and and so we're 2:00:45.200 --> 2:00:48.600 making a second Dell record and she wanted him to 2:00:48.640 --> 2:00:51.440 work with Tremaine dupre and on. 2:00:51.560 --> 2:00:52.680 The second and it was. 2:00:55.880 --> 2:01:00.960 Bad vibe. It was bad vibes and she wasn't feeling me, 2:01:01.240 --> 2:01:03.720 and and you know, I tried to hold my tongue, 2:01:03.800 --> 2:01:07.120 but I'm not good at that. And Chris Lighty. So 2:01:07.240 --> 2:01:10.480 Chris Lighty was like, Yo, she's not feeling you. One 2:01:10.560 --> 2:01:12.000 day we went to dinner and I was like, you're right. 2:01:12.040 --> 2:01:14.200 He's like, come work over at deaf Jam. So I took. 2:01:14.280 --> 2:01:15.880 I got a deal over at deaf Jam for an 2:01:16.040 --> 2:01:20.040 astronomical amount of money, and deaf Jam went g funk 2:01:20.200 --> 2:01:23.160 and they didn't give a fuck about me. I signed 2:01:23.480 --> 2:01:25.840 Trigger the Gambler and that was it. Wow, that was 2:01:25.880 --> 2:01:27.840 the only thing I ever signed. I helped on the 2:01:27.920 --> 2:01:34.560 Nutty Professor. I was miserable, but paid paid, and I 2:01:34.680 --> 2:01:39.720 linked up with Everlast and we made White for Things 2:01:39.720 --> 2:01:43.320 of Blues on Deaf Jam's done. Deft Jam was paying 2:01:43.360 --> 2:01:44.760 me and I never went to work, and I went 2:01:44.800 --> 2:01:47.200 to California. I moved to LA and made the record 2:01:47.240 --> 2:01:50.560 with with Everlast and sold a lot of records, and 2:01:50.800 --> 2:01:51.040 that was. 2:01:51.040 --> 2:01:52.840 One of the most surprising comebacks. 2:01:53.320 --> 2:01:55.200 He talked to me for like a year over there. 2:01:55.240 --> 2:01:57.160 She's like, I hate you. He gave Tom Silhiman the 2:01:57.200 --> 2:01:58.840 biggest record. I gave you eight h and fifty thousand 2:01:58.840 --> 2:02:02.080 dollars give me nothing, wow. And I was like, you 2:02:02.160 --> 2:02:04.240 were from Warren g Lamb Man, you fucking the South 2:02:04.280 --> 2:02:08.280 Central Cartel. Yeah, And I'll tell you I was so 2:02:08.600 --> 2:02:11.920 disgusted with rap music at that point in my life. Like, 2:02:12.040 --> 2:02:16.200 I was so disgusted by where it was that I 2:02:16.360 --> 2:02:20.480 was listening to Radiohead and Massive Attack and DJ Shadow 2:02:20.840 --> 2:02:24.120 and you know whatever, Oasis and and all kinds of 2:02:24.280 --> 2:02:26.240 rock music. I grew up, you know, like I was 2:02:26.320 --> 2:02:29.200 a teenage punk rocker, so I had an affinity for 2:02:29.280 --> 2:02:31.520 that stuff. I played drums a little bit, and I 2:02:31.680 --> 2:02:34.000 just like, you know, we were our minds were in 2:02:34.080 --> 2:02:36.600 different places. I was in the sound Garden, I wasn't 2:02:36.640 --> 2:02:39.080 really like, I wasn't juiced on where hip hop was. 2:02:39.360 --> 2:02:42.480 I didn't like Foxy Brown straight up and the puff stuff. 2:02:42.880 --> 2:02:44.400 I liked it when I was in the club, but 2:02:44.480 --> 2:02:48.160 I didn't I didn't care for you know, it wasn't 2:02:48.240 --> 2:02:52.360 it wasn't going on life. It didn't speak the culture 2:02:52.400 --> 2:02:54.080 to me at that time. It spoke another culture and 2:02:54.400 --> 2:02:57.600 hats off the puff respect And I like those records 2:02:57.600 --> 2:02:59.600 a lot more in retrospect now, but when they were out, 2:02:59.840 --> 2:03:01.200 I like them in the club when I'm trying to 2:03:01.280 --> 2:03:02.920 dance with the chick. But I didn't want to live 2:03:02.960 --> 2:03:05.280 those records, so you know, I wanted to something else. 2:03:06.120 --> 2:03:08.280 Wow, I followed my heart. Did you have anything to 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:11.600 do with the Everlast solo record that came out in 2:03:11.680 --> 2:03:13.160 ninety five before the Whitey four? 2:03:13.560 --> 2:03:15.400 No, but I know him. I met him with Dayla 2:03:15.960 --> 2:03:18.000 the but it didn't come out in ninety five. 2:03:18.120 --> 2:03:20.200 That was the one that was the knack I got that. 2:03:20.480 --> 2:03:22.960 I got the neck in sending No no, I'm talking 2:03:23.000 --> 2:03:27.040 about there was. It was Guru ever Last and the 2:03:28.320 --> 2:03:29.200 Big Crew. 2:03:29.200 --> 2:03:29.280 The. 2:03:31.840 --> 2:03:32.600 Gangstar Joint. 2:03:32.760 --> 2:03:34.000 Oh fed up, fed up? 2:03:34.080 --> 2:03:38.680 Yeah, but but the remixes played the remix the remixes, 2:03:38.720 --> 2:03:42.480 the joint with the with the Jean Jock Perah fed. 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:48.360 What's that? Don't turn around to your back? I got 2:03:48.400 --> 2:03:51.040 the Great Town Board for you, chunked that act on 2:03:51.440 --> 2:03:54.560 the ones bag and Jack's Pack and guns hacking. See 2:03:54.800 --> 2:03:59.240 Guru dancing in the videos right there. 2:03:59.440 --> 2:04:02.680 You know Peter Green is the actor he okay see 2:04:02.840 --> 2:04:03.600 full fiction right? 2:04:03.840 --> 2:04:04.040 Yes? 2:04:04.360 --> 2:04:08.280 Remember zed that kills me in that video? 2:04:08.960 --> 2:04:09.240 Wow? 2:04:10.240 --> 2:04:15.200 So so needless to say, I was in La with 2:04:15.280 --> 2:04:20.200 Saddat before I worked with Everlast. I got I managed Saddat. 2:04:20.720 --> 2:04:23.800 I can't manage a fucking shoelace, but but I managed 2:04:23.840 --> 2:04:26.800 Saddad and and I got him signed. Allow, we did 2:04:26.840 --> 2:04:29.360 the Wild Cowboys. We're in La on tour or something, 2:04:29.960 --> 2:04:32.600 and Guru came and he hung out with us, got drunk. 2:04:32.600 --> 2:04:34.560 He was in the hotel, the Mandre on and and 2:04:34.720 --> 2:04:36.920 he was like, yo, you know my man ever Less 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:38.360 us A, yeah, I know him, little bit. He's cool, 2:04:38.600 --> 2:04:40.240 and he's like he's gonna come meet me. And then 2:04:40.320 --> 2:04:42.520 he's like, yall two motherfuckers are like the same, dude, 2:04:42.920 --> 2:04:44.600 you need to hang out. And I was like word 2:04:45.160 --> 2:04:47.320 and And what I didn't tell him was that mugs 2:04:47.680 --> 2:04:50.200 and then and Eric knew this. They never wanted us 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:51.640 to hang out together because we were both threw a 2:04:51.720 --> 2:04:54.280 wild back then and the chances of someone getting arrestled 2:04:54.280 --> 2:04:58.160 were pretty high. So me and him know, we linked up, 2:04:58.200 --> 2:05:00.240 and then Sadat did the record with him him for 2:05:00.320 --> 2:05:01.680 that album was. 2:05:01.680 --> 2:05:02.680 That The Heart Full of Sorrow? 2:05:02.840 --> 2:05:03.040 Yeah? 2:05:03.120 --> 2:05:03.480 I love that. 2:05:03.600 --> 2:05:05.000 That was a hot record and I went out there 2:05:05.040 --> 2:05:07.200 with them when they did it, and we just linked. 2:05:07.280 --> 2:05:08.680 We went to the super Bowl the guy yeah, and 2:05:08.720 --> 2:05:10.640 it was like I met my twin brother. I was like, Oh, 2:05:10.720 --> 2:05:13.800 he's just like me. And then we stayed tight and 2:05:13.920 --> 2:05:15.000 we ended up doing that record. 2:05:15.480 --> 2:05:19.560 So so I have a question, how did how did 2:05:19.640 --> 2:05:22.960 the the I guess the genre switch happened forever last night? 2:05:23.040 --> 2:05:25.200 So, like I said, we were really disgusted with the 2:05:25.240 --> 2:05:27.880 state of rap music, right, so you know, we we 2:05:28.040 --> 2:05:30.520 liked the aggressive rap music, right, and aggressive rap music 2:05:30.640 --> 2:05:33.440 wasn't really winning right then, you know, Like so he's 2:05:33.480 --> 2:05:36.600 a soul assassin and and that's the kind of music 2:05:36.640 --> 2:05:38.080 he liked, and we were listening to a lot of 2:05:38.160 --> 2:05:40.520 all kinds of shit like Neil you know, I love 2:05:40.600 --> 2:05:42.480 Neil Young. Like I said earlier, my mom was into 2:05:42.560 --> 2:05:45.480 singer songwriter stuff, Neil Young and Bob Dylan, Fan Morse 2:05:45.520 --> 2:05:47.040 and so I grew up with that around me kind of, 2:05:47.600 --> 2:05:50.040 and and so did he because he's he's around my age, 2:05:50.040 --> 2:05:52.280 a little younger, and uh, I had we were in 2:05:52.320 --> 2:05:54.600 the studio, we're working on a rap record, and we 2:05:54.720 --> 2:05:56.920 did the song dollar Bill, the one with him in 2:05:57.160 --> 2:06:03.000 X and we did the We did another version of Ends, 2:06:03.040 --> 2:06:06.680 I was a rap version, and then we did I 2:06:06.800 --> 2:06:09.400 think we did the song a Letter, and we were 2:06:09.440 --> 2:06:11.640 making a rap record. And I had a guitar. I 2:06:11.720 --> 2:06:14.080 had a guitar and I played guitar a little, a 2:06:14.200 --> 2:06:16.320 little bit. I play a couple of a CDC songs 2:06:16.680 --> 2:06:19.000 and I had an acoustic like a hummingbird in my 2:06:19.280 --> 2:06:20.880 studio and he picked it up and he was like, Yo, 2:06:20.960 --> 2:06:22.600 can I take this back to the pad he was 2:06:22.640 --> 2:06:24.640 staying with me. I said yeah, whatever, So he went 2:06:24.680 --> 2:06:28.480 to my house and he, uh, yo, this is the best. 2:06:28.520 --> 2:06:30.640 He always tells his story. I can't tell it as 2:06:30.680 --> 2:06:34.000 good as him. So back then I was like, I 2:06:34.160 --> 2:06:39.320 was just I was smashing everything in sight. I was 2:06:39.400 --> 2:06:42.200 just I was on one. So I was a young man. 2:06:42.840 --> 2:06:45.600 So I had this chick in my house in my 2:06:45.720 --> 2:06:48.520 room and I literally heard him playing what It's Like 2:06:48.760 --> 2:06:52.200 and I ran out my boxer shorts and I was like, Yo, 2:06:52.440 --> 2:07:00.320 you need to record that ship. I finished my It's 2:07:00.360 --> 2:07:02.680 crazy too because I never messed with white girls back then. 2:07:02.720 --> 2:07:04.840 I always remember It's like I remember it because when 2:07:05.040 --> 2:07:07.400 homegirl came over. He said you said, he said, Yode, 2:07:07.520 --> 2:07:09.120 what do you He was like, Yode, what's open that. 2:07:09.200 --> 2:07:10.440 I was like, sometimes you gott to fuck with the 2:07:10.480 --> 2:07:16.120 home team because because you know, if you know me, 2:07:16.200 --> 2:07:18.400 I mess with I mess with the Spanish mommy's and 2:07:18.440 --> 2:07:19.240 the Asian girls, so. 2:07:19.520 --> 2:07:23.760 So so perfect. 2:07:24.600 --> 2:07:26.280 So man, I heard them play the record and I 2:07:26.360 --> 2:07:27.880 was like, we got to record that. He's like, I 2:07:27.920 --> 2:07:29.640 don't know. And the next day I was on him again, 2:07:29.640 --> 2:07:30.240 you gotta play that. 2:07:30.600 --> 2:07:32.120 And that was him actually playing the guitar. 2:07:32.280 --> 2:07:34.000 He was playing that song and singing it and and 2:07:34.440 --> 2:07:36.120 and I said, play me the song again next morning 2:07:36.200 --> 2:07:38.000 because it'd stuck in my head. And he was like, 2:07:38.040 --> 2:07:39.320 he played again. I said, yo, we got to record. 2:07:39.400 --> 2:07:40.800 They said, I'm not ready to do that. Once I 2:07:40.880 --> 2:07:42.560 do that, I can't ever do what I do now. 2:07:42.560 --> 2:07:43.840 I said, now you can do everything. He said, I 2:07:43.840 --> 2:07:45.680 don't want to do it. I said, yo, you should 2:07:45.680 --> 2:07:47.920 do it. He didn't want to do it. So I 2:07:48.120 --> 2:07:50.400 told him for two days straight, you gotta do it, 2:07:50.440 --> 2:07:52.800 you gotta do it. He I said, bring the guitar 2:07:52.880 --> 2:07:55.320 back to the studio. So I was I was being 2:07:55.360 --> 2:07:57.600 a producer. So he brought the guitar back. I said, yo, 2:07:57.640 --> 2:07:59.560 play that song. Play it from my engineer. He played 2:07:59.560 --> 2:08:01.600 for John gay Amble gambles like that shit is fire. 2:08:02.120 --> 2:08:04.200 I said yeah. What he didn't know was I had 2:08:04.240 --> 2:08:07.120 the La fayete for rock drums hooked up already. I said, yeah, 2:08:07.200 --> 2:08:10.160 play that played. I hit the hit the MP bonk 2:08:10.720 --> 2:08:12.720 drums I had hit it on. He played it right too. 2:08:12.760 --> 2:08:14.600 I said, that's it, that's the song, and he was 2:08:14.640 --> 2:08:16.360 like really. I said we're going to record that tomorrow 2:08:16.640 --> 2:08:20.480 and recorded the next day. First pass of his vocals 2:08:20.640 --> 2:08:22.840 is that version that made it to the record because 2:08:22.840 --> 2:08:25.800 I recorded on a sixteen track tape machine, a task 2:08:25.800 --> 2:08:29.080 scam that I had at MS sixteen right a one 2:08:29.160 --> 2:08:32.640 inch sixteen, so we could never find that machine again. 2:08:33.880 --> 2:08:38.160 I literally couldn't overdub when I took the tape la. 2:08:38.280 --> 2:08:40.680 We couldn't find a machine, so I took it in 2:08:40.720 --> 2:08:42.680 transfer to a two inch, but we just used the 2:08:42.760 --> 2:08:44.919 vocals over there and then we added to strings. 2:08:45.400 --> 2:08:49.320 That was that. So when the song hit, and really. 2:08:49.520 --> 2:08:52.320 Dude, it hit six months after it came out the 2:08:52.560 --> 2:08:54.640 What It's Like, What It's Like? It was we thought 2:08:54.640 --> 2:08:56.760 we were gonna We thought we were over. We sold 2:08:56.960 --> 2:09:01.000 thirty eight hundred copies the first week that album wow 2:09:01.400 --> 2:09:04.480 so and Steve Rifkin had given me a job. Steve 2:09:04.560 --> 2:09:07.160 Rifkin loved Steve Rifkin. Always had a check for me, 2:09:07.760 --> 2:09:11.640 always had a consulting gig, always, always, always, always. 2:09:11.480 --> 2:09:11.880 Check for me. 2:09:12.280 --> 2:09:13.840 He wanted me to work a loud. I was gonna 2:09:13.840 --> 2:09:16.760 be the first president UH vice president allowed a and 2:09:16.840 --> 2:09:19.320 or departmer. I didn't do it, but he always wanted 2:09:19.320 --> 2:09:20.480 me to work with him. And I gave him the 2:09:20.520 --> 2:09:21.880 album before it came out, and he was like, this 2:09:22.000 --> 2:09:23.720 is the best thing you've ever done in your whole life. 2:09:24.680 --> 2:09:27.000 And when it sold thirty eight hundred copies the first week, 2:09:27.000 --> 2:09:28.760 he called me up. He's like, I want to call 2:09:28.840 --> 2:09:30.520 Tom Silverman right now and try and buy the record. 2:09:31.160 --> 2:09:32.640 And I was like, he's not gonna sell to He's like, well, 2:09:32.680 --> 2:09:34.880 I'm going to see and and I don't know if 2:09:34.920 --> 2:09:37.000 you ever made that call, but the record stumbled out 2:09:37.040 --> 2:09:39.840 the gate. He went on the road and actually the 2:09:39.960 --> 2:09:44.080 first show he did in New York was at Conan 2:09:44.080 --> 2:09:47.040 Allen Hine Saint Mark's Place, and he killed it. And 2:09:47.680 --> 2:09:51.480 I want to say John Perells or John Leland. Sometimes 2:09:51.760 --> 2:09:54.640 someone named John who wrote for The Times was there 2:09:55.200 --> 2:10:00.720 and he gave it a stellar, stunning review and keep 2:10:00.800 --> 2:10:02.839 going on and on and on the end in Seattle 2:10:02.880 --> 2:10:05.520 started playing the record, which is like the k Rock 2:10:05.560 --> 2:10:09.400 of Seattle Indicator station, and because of that, k Rock 2:10:09.440 --> 2:10:12.640 started playing it and almost by accident, that record became 2:10:12.720 --> 2:10:15.680 his song. And it was six months. I remember the 2:10:15.800 --> 2:10:19.120 week going into Christmas, I saw Jeff Finster and he 2:10:19.240 --> 2:10:23.160 sold He said, you sold seventy thousand albums this week, Nante, 2:10:23.800 --> 2:10:26.400 and I was like really. He's like yeah, He's like 2:10:26.520 --> 2:10:28.840 that record is a huge record. And I was like, 2:10:28.920 --> 2:10:29.480 thanks Jeff. 2:10:29.640 --> 2:10:34.280 And that was that. Wow. That record was everywhere. Yeah, yeah, 2:10:34.400 --> 2:10:36.960 Wow was on VH one. They used to play it. 2:10:37.160 --> 2:10:38.960 Bought me in my house. That's why I bought my house. 2:10:39.800 --> 2:10:42.120 Wow from that and I got a big publishing deal 2:10:42.160 --> 2:10:42.920 and blah blah blah. 2:10:43.280 --> 2:10:46.480 So Vence is sweet, say if the Ross. 2:10:47.920 --> 2:10:50.160 I remember, this is great. I saw Leon Russell and 2:10:50.320 --> 2:10:53.840 Leo said, I am not fucking with you still and 2:10:54.040 --> 2:10:57.160 and Russell said, Leon, stopped being a dick, Yo, I 2:10:57.240 --> 2:11:00.640 love you, d congratulations and Leo he was like, stop 2:11:00.680 --> 2:11:02.680 being a dick. And he was like you're right. I'm 2:11:02.680 --> 2:11:03.200 happy for you. 2:11:05.720 --> 2:11:08.560 I love everyone like I know no one in this 2:11:08.720 --> 2:11:11.360 industry that doesn't have their version of what they think. 2:11:12.520 --> 2:11:13.200 That's your yours. 2:11:14.280 --> 2:11:16.360 No, I mean I'm scared. 2:11:16.640 --> 2:11:16.680 No. 2:11:17.000 --> 2:11:21.880 But my relationship it's different. He says, you have to 2:11:22.000 --> 2:11:24.760 DJ for it this again, like my my, my leeor 2:11:24.880 --> 2:11:28.080 thing is I always DJ for uh? 2:11:28.920 --> 2:11:28.960 His? 2:11:29.560 --> 2:11:29.680 Uh? 2:11:30.040 --> 2:11:31.360 I guess his then wife. 2:11:31.600 --> 2:11:35.960 Tory, Yeah, Tory, his wife is lady married. 2:11:36.000 --> 2:11:38.160 They never married. Okay, I still don't know if they're 2:11:38.240 --> 2:11:39.920 item or not. That's how much I'm out of it. 2:11:40.120 --> 2:11:42.320 He gave me my job that I kind of have 2:11:42.480 --> 2:11:45.520 now at her house on a Saturday afternoon, like I 2:11:45.600 --> 2:11:47.320 love Lee or like that's my guy. I can't. I 2:11:47.400 --> 2:11:47.920 can't front. 2:11:48.480 --> 2:11:52.000 Yeah, I have good Lee or stories like I have 2:11:52.080 --> 2:11:52.840 a long. 2:11:53.680 --> 2:11:55.240 Very complicated relationship with them. 2:11:55.280 --> 2:11:55.800 But I love. 2:11:57.200 --> 2:11:57.320 Well. 2:11:57.440 --> 2:12:00.640 You didn't put like hot pep is on the tune 2:12:00.640 --> 2:12:01.760 in fish sandwich or like. 2:12:02.120 --> 2:12:04.680 Definitely he threw many sandwiches at the back of my head, 2:12:04.800 --> 2:12:05.800 you stupid fuck. 2:12:05.960 --> 2:12:10.000 I just want one classic story of like God, just one, 2:12:11.120 --> 2:12:11.480 all right? 2:12:11.560 --> 2:12:14.960 So I worked there, I went out one night drink 2:12:15.000 --> 2:12:18.400 a lot, and I used to fight a lot and 2:12:18.600 --> 2:12:20.800 Hank Shockley and me edwards. He slapped me in the 2:12:20.840 --> 2:12:23.880 back of my head and I dropped him, and then 2:12:23.920 --> 2:12:26.520 his brother Keith ran over and my man, this Albanian 2:12:26.600 --> 2:12:34.760 kid snuffed him and then flashed the gun I'm thinking of, like, 2:12:35.040 --> 2:12:36.120 I found this record in. 2:12:36.480 --> 2:12:40.760 And I went back to it. 2:12:41.440 --> 2:12:47.600 Russell was there and he was like, you stupid motherfucker. 2:12:48.120 --> 2:12:49.720 He said that man makes hits for me. 2:12:50.280 --> 2:12:51.280 What the fuck do you do? 2:12:52.680 --> 2:12:55.040 I said, I'm sorry. He's like, yeah, right. And on 2:12:55.120 --> 2:12:56.560 Monday he called me to his house and I thought 2:12:56.600 --> 2:12:57.920 I was getting fired and he was like, yo, you're 2:12:58.000 --> 2:13:00.440 lucky I love you because I should fire you. And 2:13:00.800 --> 2:13:04.160 I kept my job and Griff called me up at work. 2:13:04.520 --> 2:13:06.480 I was like, you know, motherfuckers want to come see you. 2:13:06.920 --> 2:13:07.520 Who was the kid? 2:13:07.560 --> 2:13:07.720 Who? 2:13:07.720 --> 2:13:10.320 Who was the Puerto Rican kid who snuffed Keith? And 2:13:10.400 --> 2:13:11.720 I was like, you don't want to know him. And 2:13:11.840 --> 2:13:13.480 that kid who did that later on went to jail 2:13:13.520 --> 2:13:18.880 for murder. He was a wild Umanian kid on the Armando. Wow, 2:13:19.120 --> 2:13:20.000 that's a deaf jam story. 2:13:20.040 --> 2:13:20.600 And then there's. 2:13:22.520 --> 2:13:25.920 One one time me and Jam assad Jay, you know, 2:13:26.080 --> 2:13:28.960 me and DMC. We're at the show at the World 2:13:29.480 --> 2:13:33.240 Davy DMX and Public Enemy where the performers opening night 2:13:33.560 --> 2:13:36.880 and they had these pained windows and DMCs to wear 2:13:37.040 --> 2:13:40.680 a uh ring, an old English ring, and he was 2:13:40.800 --> 2:13:45.320 punching panes of the windows, breaking them and I said 2:13:45.320 --> 2:13:46.600 I could do that, and he said do it. And 2:13:46.640 --> 2:13:48.560 I did it once and I broke one and he 2:13:48.640 --> 2:13:50.280 did it. He broke another one. I did another one. 2:13:50.280 --> 2:13:51.720 I cut my finger up and I had to get stitches. 2:13:51.720 --> 2:13:53.480 I still get the scar on my day, right on 2:13:53.600 --> 2:13:58.040 my finger wow, from punching windows with them. Who drove 2:13:58.160 --> 2:14:04.440 me to the hospital left me there and I don't know, man, 2:14:04.480 --> 2:14:06.160 there's a million stories like you know. That was a 2:14:06.200 --> 2:14:09.040 wild time in my life, but it was super duper fun. 2:14:09.120 --> 2:14:10.800 And I met after and I remember when I met 2:14:10.880 --> 2:14:13.280 Chuck D there. I had his demo before he came 2:14:13.360 --> 2:14:15.480 out for months, and I didn't believe he was Chuck 2:14:15.560 --> 2:14:17.440 D because he wasn't big enough to be Chuck D. 2:14:18.200 --> 2:14:20.520 Oh you have this giant Yeah, I thought he was 2:14:20.560 --> 2:14:22.480 like six ft nine figures here. 2:14:22.520 --> 2:14:24.320 It's like, wait, you're Chuck D. He's like yeah. I 2:14:24.360 --> 2:14:26.320 was like, no, you're not. And he was Chuck D. 2:14:27.280 --> 2:14:35.120 That's crazy, all right. The blind test, all right, what 2:14:35.240 --> 2:14:39.080 we do is we play you songs and you give 2:14:39.320 --> 2:14:41.960 have to be blind. No, no, no, it's like downbeat. 2:14:42.600 --> 2:14:45.920 We'll randomly play you stuff that's significant to your career 2:14:46.200 --> 2:14:48.800 or you know, just to get your taste on things, and. 2:14:50.640 --> 2:14:53.760 We'll rate that record. Uh not, you don't have to 2:14:53.880 --> 2:14:58.040 rate it, just talk about it all right. This one 2:14:58.080 --> 2:15:00.320 should be very interesting. We'll see. I'm that you know 2:15:00.360 --> 2:15:01.280 about your own history. 2:15:04.680 --> 2:15:10.360 Oh that's Homeboys. Shit, I didn't even know that. That 2:15:10.440 --> 2:15:12.360 ol't me. Notice is Dirty's Joint? 2:15:13.560 --> 2:15:14.640 Did you know at the time it was? 2:15:14.680 --> 2:15:15.040 I didn't. 2:15:15.040 --> 2:15:17.360 I didn't know it to just now you just figured 2:15:17.400 --> 2:15:17.840 out right now. 2:15:17.880 --> 2:15:19.160 I just heard it right now, it's like, oh, that's 2:15:19.160 --> 2:15:21.040 dirty Joint. I didn't even know. I never knew that. 2:15:22.520 --> 2:15:25.720 Yeah, it's probably the greatest sample revealed. 2:15:25.840 --> 2:15:26.760 I no idea. 2:15:27.960 --> 2:15:29.800 I'll give a shout out to Jay Rock for. 2:15:35.200 --> 2:15:41.879 Yeah, like, wow, I had no idea exactly the thousands 2:15:41.920 --> 2:15:43.760 of times and I'm a Stevie Wonder fanatic. 2:15:44.240 --> 2:15:44.960 Yeah, who knew? 2:15:45.600 --> 2:15:46.200 That's wild. 2:15:46.920 --> 2:15:50.040 I hope the lawyers don't call that's a beautiful it's. 2:15:49.880 --> 2:15:53.080 A beautiful record. They're gonna go catch Risen. 2:15:53.160 --> 2:16:01.920 Now, Wow, how how would you did you negotiate with 2:16:02.000 --> 2:16:05.560 the artists that you have to remix everything on their 2:16:05.640 --> 2:16:07.360 records or you just did just kind of did it. 2:16:07.760 --> 2:16:09.600 I was like, I'll just go remixes and they'd be like, oh, 2:16:09.640 --> 2:16:11.800 that's cool, we'll put it out and they didn't care. Nah, 2:16:11.840 --> 2:16:13.360 because I would do them like I would just grab 2:16:13.400 --> 2:16:13.920 bag of polls. 2:16:13.920 --> 2:16:14.440 I just do them. 2:16:14.640 --> 2:16:16.640 I literally would sit there with the vocals and I 2:16:16.680 --> 2:16:20.400 would fuck I would sample them line by line by line. 2:16:21.480 --> 2:16:22.160 How crazy is that? 2:16:22.240 --> 2:16:23.800 Yeah, because that's my question. How did you keep it 2:16:23.840 --> 2:16:25.600 in time? Because I mean it wasn't pro tous, you 2:16:25.640 --> 2:16:26.800 couldn't line it up. 2:16:27.040 --> 2:16:28.040 Time stretched a little though. 2:16:28.480 --> 2:16:30.280 Oh really, even even with tape. 2:16:30.120 --> 2:16:32.720 With I'd make sure whatever I made was the same tempo. 2:16:33.120 --> 2:16:37.440 Ah, okay, gotcha. Do you remember the first digital record 2:16:37.520 --> 2:16:40.760 you did? The first recording, White Ford Things Blues. That 2:16:40.800 --> 2:16:43.440 was the first one, okay, and then after that. 2:16:43.520 --> 2:16:45.959 Everything Meryl Caldato told me I had to get up 2:16:46.000 --> 2:16:49.880 on digital recording, and he actually, yeah, And when I 2:16:50.000 --> 2:16:51.800 started the second ever last record, I had a little 2:16:51.840 --> 2:16:53.120 bit of knowledge and I wanted to hung out with 2:16:53.160 --> 2:16:55.600 Mario and he just taught me everything, and he was like, 2:16:55.640 --> 2:16:57.040 here's what we gotta do, here's what you gotta do 2:16:57.120 --> 2:16:59.120 good because I had I had a I had an 2:16:59.200 --> 2:17:01.320 aid that moment on the first Whitey Foy record that 2:17:01.959 --> 2:17:06.360 made me cry. I lost background vocals, like eight tracks 2:17:06.400 --> 2:17:09.360 of background vocals. I had to do again, and I 2:17:09.520 --> 2:17:10.680 literally like was crying. 2:17:11.200 --> 2:17:14.840 All right, Uh, we're gonna give you your second. 2:17:16.320 --> 2:17:20.280 Blind test song, Sir Dante Ross right here, of course, 2:17:20.560 --> 2:17:22.879 mister yes, mister Dante Ross. 2:17:26.040 --> 2:17:26.720 I know what that is. 2:17:29.000 --> 2:17:31.520 That's mc a andi, that's drum machine. I remember when 2:17:31.520 --> 2:17:34.640 they made that. That ship was crazy right there. 2:17:35.160 --> 2:17:37.160 Do you know anything about the history of the Latin 2:17:37.240 --> 2:17:38.320 rascals or it's just I do. 2:17:38.520 --> 2:17:42.080 I knew those guys. I you know, I know a 2:17:42.120 --> 2:17:43.040 lot about freestyle. 2:17:48.959 --> 2:17:55.680 M Yeah, this why this song never took off on 2:17:55.760 --> 2:17:56.640 death Jam, I'll never know. 2:17:56.760 --> 2:18:00.840 Yeah right, it's bugged out Budi. He was Brazius guy 2:18:00.920 --> 2:18:03.000 Jay Burnett. He was one of one of the engineers 2:18:03.040 --> 2:18:05.600 at Chun King and and the Beasties well Mike and 2:18:05.720 --> 2:18:09.880 Ad Mike and MCA lived in his building on Christie Street, 2:18:10.440 --> 2:18:13.120 sixty nine Christie Street with the Chinese whole house in 2:18:13.160 --> 2:18:14.119 the in the first floor. 2:18:14.600 --> 2:18:18.160 They called us sixty nine kids. When was the significance 2:18:18.160 --> 2:18:18.360 of it. 2:18:18.400 --> 2:18:20.280 There was Club sixty nine. It was right there, sixty 2:18:20.360 --> 2:18:22.720 nine Christian Street, and his dad, this Chinese gangster who 2:18:23.240 --> 2:18:25.520 was the landlord. He was like, your boy's never come 2:18:25.600 --> 2:18:27.800 to the club. Plus it's nine, come on, come on, 2:18:27.879 --> 2:18:30.480 hang out. And we would always we'd always make fun 2:18:30.480 --> 2:18:32.320 of him. He'd always do his voice. And it was 2:18:32.720 --> 2:18:34.840 this place that was like basically there's a whole house 2:18:34.879 --> 2:18:38.840 on the first floor, the Chinese club, and and it 2:18:38.959 --> 2:18:44.080 was like what do they call fucking uh sweatshops? So 2:18:44.240 --> 2:18:46.400 they can make as much noise as they wanted in 2:18:46.480 --> 2:18:49.040 this fucked up loft that had rats that they lived in. 2:18:49.360 --> 2:18:51.360 And Brazudi lived in the building too. He got them 2:18:51.400 --> 2:18:54.200 I think the apartment and and it was like they 2:18:54.280 --> 2:18:56.800 could practice her all the time. Brazudi lived upstairs. And 2:18:56.959 --> 2:19:00.400 he was friends with Steve at and Steve Steve and 2:19:00.800 --> 2:19:03.520 and obviously Rick and everybody. And he made the record 2:19:03.560 --> 2:19:06.200 with with m c A and Russ. Rick put it 2:19:06.240 --> 2:19:07.959 out and they never won anywhere, but it was an 2:19:08.000 --> 2:19:11.640 ill record and uh yeah, he programmed it, he did 2:19:11.680 --> 2:19:14.000 everything on it, and mc A just wrote the raps 2:19:14.000 --> 2:19:14.600 and did the raps. 2:19:15.120 --> 2:19:18.040 That same Stevett ended up doing bigger and Deffer. They 2:19:18.080 --> 2:19:19.360 did everything that he did. Back then. 2:19:19.440 --> 2:19:21.840 It was Rick's guy, Steve Vett. He died to rust 2:19:21.879 --> 2:19:22.199 in peace. 2:19:22.760 --> 2:19:23.920 Steve had passed away. 2:19:23.920 --> 2:19:27.800 Long time ago. What long long time ago? Stevett? Hat 2:19:28.320 --> 2:19:31.080 I mean he is you know his engineering man. Just 2:19:31.200 --> 2:19:33.960 think about great the Beasties record sounds, and how great 2:19:34.040 --> 2:19:36.720 Raising Hell sounds. He was a beast ll he's a beast. 2:19:37.720 --> 2:19:38.600 He's a beast. 2:19:39.600 --> 2:19:43.720 Wow. I can't even imagine, Like at your tenure at 2:19:43.760 --> 2:19:47.840 def jam Light, what was the one what was the 2:19:48.480 --> 2:19:50.120 your your your top moment of. 2:19:50.160 --> 2:19:53.600 Like alert rebel without a pause. I gave him the 2:19:53.640 --> 2:19:55.680 test pressing and he played it, Like. 2:19:55.800 --> 2:19:57.840 What was the reaction when you first heard that record play? 2:19:57.920 --> 2:20:00.280 It was in a land quarters he played I hadn't 2:20:00.320 --> 2:20:03.400 really heard it, and he played it and he was like, Yo, 2:20:03.480 --> 2:20:05.360 this shit is ill. And he played it about forty 2:20:05.400 --> 2:20:10.160 five minutes later and the club jumped off crazy and 2:20:10.520 --> 2:20:12.240 I was like, oh my god, that's a hit record. 2:20:12.720 --> 2:20:14.520 I was like, that's a hit record. Well. Another great 2:20:14.600 --> 2:20:16.480 memory of Deaf Jam is I tried to sign Boogie 2:20:16.480 --> 2:20:19.840 Down Productions, so I brought them in and it was 2:20:20.480 --> 2:20:24.440 Eric B. Was there rock him No, just Eric B. 2:20:25.360 --> 2:20:31.080 Russell Leor and go, and Scottie Morris was there. I 2:20:31.120 --> 2:20:34.120 think d was there, but he never remembers this. And 2:20:34.280 --> 2:20:36.800 Carris Won was like, they were like, yo, we don't 2:20:36.800 --> 2:20:40.240 want to be on deaf jam. Why Carris was like, yo, 2:20:40.280 --> 2:20:42.320 I'm deaf. I don't need the deaf JAM. I already 2:20:42.360 --> 2:20:44.640 got that. Like he didn't want to fuck because he 2:20:44.680 --> 2:20:47.960 didn't trust them. He's he just was paranoid. So he 2:20:47.959 --> 2:20:50.680 didn't trust them and we didn't get them. And if 2:20:50.760 --> 2:20:52.640 you notice, he took shots. 2:20:52.760 --> 2:20:53.720 He was always taking shots. 2:20:53.840 --> 2:20:56.000 Run Run DMC. He took some shots and I think 2:20:56.040 --> 2:20:57.920 that had something to do with it too. You know, 2:20:58.000 --> 2:20:59.480 he didn't want to fuck with them, and he was 2:20:59.520 --> 2:21:01.440 you know, he was all the Juice crew. He was 2:21:01.520 --> 2:21:03.360 trying to just you know, he was ready to go out. 2:21:03.520 --> 2:21:05.120 He was ready to whatever at any time. 2:21:05.280 --> 2:21:07.200 But in his head he thought it was better to 2:21:07.280 --> 2:21:08.480 be on Bee Boy Records. 2:21:08.560 --> 2:21:11.520 Well then no, So here's what happened. They knew that 2:21:11.600 --> 2:21:13.760 they could get out of the b Boy Records contract 2:21:14.280 --> 2:21:17.120 that had been voided, so they were free agent kind of. 2:21:17.680 --> 2:21:21.520 And and then Scott got killed. And then we had 2:21:21.520 --> 2:21:24.000 another meeting with Karis One and he said I'm not 2:21:24.080 --> 2:21:25.960 really trying to sign it, but you should sign my 2:21:26.040 --> 2:21:28.640 man D Nice and we didn't sign D Nice. Wow 2:21:29.320 --> 2:21:31.120 signed the job, and I remember there was a lot 2:21:31.160 --> 2:21:32.960 of confusion because George and the host was saying he 2:21:33.000 --> 2:21:35.040 managed them and he didn't manage them. I think there 2:21:35.080 --> 2:21:36.080 was a little problem over. 2:21:35.959 --> 2:21:38.480 That before I do the last record? Are there any 2:21:38.560 --> 2:21:40.520 other near misses that you could have signed? 2:21:41.240 --> 2:21:45.320 So many dos effects I didn't sign it. 2:21:45.600 --> 2:21:47.800 I had it series. 2:21:48.120 --> 2:21:50.000 The biggest miss I ever read was trib Call Quest. 2:21:50.080 --> 2:21:52.400 I left my job at Tommy Boy with the intent 2:21:52.480 --> 2:21:55.240 of signing trib Call Quest from Brand Nubian's and the 2:21:55.320 --> 2:21:57.920 DC at Electric Records, and I lost two out of 2:21:58.000 --> 2:21:58.440 three of them. 2:21:58.520 --> 2:22:01.400 The DC doc you had a relationship with Dre to 2:22:01.440 --> 2:22:02.800 do that or Jerry Heller was in. 2:22:02.879 --> 2:22:05.680 My office with doctor Dre and Michell l a Easy 2:22:05.760 --> 2:22:07.800 and they wanted to bring him there because they had 2:22:07.840 --> 2:22:10.000 a song called Bridget that they wouldn't put out. If 2:22:10.040 --> 2:22:12.120 you've ever heard it, it's it's out there on the net. 2:22:12.360 --> 2:22:15.360 It's a filthy record, It's amazing. Bridget was a dumb hope. 2:22:15.400 --> 2:22:18.440 Bridget was a dumb hold Bridget. I think the I 2:22:18.480 --> 2:22:20.760 think she fucked the midget Bridget. It was wow, this 2:22:20.840 --> 2:22:22.920 is a wild record. So and it's all about them 2:22:22.959 --> 2:22:26.400 running the train on her right and her and. 2:22:26.879 --> 2:22:28.560 How that Tommy Silverman. 2:22:28.720 --> 2:22:31.600 So Tom didn't want to spend the money because we 2:22:31.720 --> 2:22:33.959 had it was one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars deal. 2:22:34.000 --> 2:22:35.560 He didn't want to spend it. I went over to 2:22:35.600 --> 2:22:38.440 work at Electro. I tried to get the deal but 2:22:38.920 --> 2:22:40.840 and they thought they could get out of East West deal. 2:22:42.280 --> 2:22:45.080 My lawyer, Gary Cassen, said, we can't compete against one 2:22:45.120 --> 2:22:46.680 of the labels in Warner Music Group. We can't go 2:22:46.760 --> 2:22:49.000 and do this. And my boss told me, Jerry Heller, 2:22:49.560 --> 2:22:51.720 don't trust that guy. I remember him told me that 2:22:51.760 --> 2:22:54.760 he's like, he's not trustworthy. And and when I read 2:22:54.840 --> 2:22:57.000 Jerry's book, he told the story and omitted me from 2:22:57.040 --> 2:22:59.040 the story and told a bullshit version of it. But 2:22:59.120 --> 2:23:02.120 that's okay because Jerry Heller's Jerry Heller, right, And I 2:23:02.200 --> 2:23:04.880 have no, no, you know, bad feelings for him. But 2:23:05.120 --> 2:23:08.000 he didn't tell the truth and and I didn't sign 2:23:08.040 --> 2:23:11.400 that and Tribe I had three hundred thousand dollars, which 2:23:11.440 --> 2:23:13.520 was a gang a loot on the table back then 2:23:13.680 --> 2:23:15.280 it was and I think I went up to three 2:23:15.360 --> 2:23:19.800 seventy five and they signed a jive and they came 2:23:19.920 --> 2:23:25.039 up after publishing. Oh, they didn't know the game back then. 2:23:25.280 --> 2:23:27.560 And Chris lightighty for years, I'd be like, you could 2:23:27.600 --> 2:23:31.199 have kept your publishing and that should have been my group, 2:23:31.800 --> 2:23:35.680 and yikes, I have a long intricate history with those guys. 2:23:35.760 --> 2:23:38.960 And yeah, I mean it was like me and Chris, 2:23:39.240 --> 2:23:41.920 you know, remained very close friends throughout all of that. 2:23:42.280 --> 2:23:45.000 And those were bands that I lost. There's some others 2:23:45.040 --> 2:23:48.520 along the way. I lost stuff recently, even that did well, 2:23:48.640 --> 2:23:50.640 and you know, there's a bunch of stuff I've lost, 2:23:50.680 --> 2:23:53.360 but those are ones that really stick out and do's effects. Honestly, 2:23:53.400 --> 2:23:55.040 I didn't believe in it. I was like, I don't 2:23:55.040 --> 2:23:56.920 believe in it. I was like, either it was novelty, 2:23:57.040 --> 2:24:00.360 thought it was novelty. I lost Souls of Mischief signed Dell, 2:24:00.400 --> 2:24:02.840 and I should sign Souls, And I didn't sign Souls 2:24:02.879 --> 2:24:05.760 because Stretch on Front and Daddy Reef worked the big 2:24:05.840 --> 2:24:07.720 beat and those are my sons, and I was like, 2:24:07.800 --> 2:24:09.160 they were like, we want to sign Souls. I was like, 2:24:09.240 --> 2:24:11.440 get that. Get that kind of Maddie gave me dirty 2:24:11.800 --> 2:24:14.760 and and Sophia stepped in and got it. Yeah, but 2:24:14.879 --> 2:24:18.720 that was supposed to be on big beat and and yeah, 2:24:18.720 --> 2:24:20.360 and I should have signed them. I didn't sign him. 2:24:20.360 --> 2:24:22.000 And they had they had ninety three two on the 2:24:22.080 --> 2:24:24.360 demo and all that, all of that. 2:24:24.520 --> 2:24:27.160 So were you behind artifacts? Were you only beat that was? 2:24:27.959 --> 2:24:29.840 That was reef di that you know? I didn't do that? 2:24:30.640 --> 2:24:31.760 What else did I miss? Those? 2:24:31.800 --> 2:24:31.920 Are? 2:24:32.040 --> 2:24:34.840 Those are noticeable? Missus? I tried to swing Third Base 2:24:34.879 --> 2:24:37.400 to Tommy Boy and and Tommy Boy didn't like them. 2:24:37.520 --> 2:24:40.560 They didn't want to sign them. I helped make Third 2:24:40.560 --> 2:24:42.160 Basic group Sam sever. 2:24:42.000 --> 2:24:44.960 Part of like your stimulated No No, but he was 2:24:45.080 --> 2:24:46.400 he was my man and ship. 2:24:46.440 --> 2:24:47.880 He was my boy. And he showed me how to 2:24:48.000 --> 2:24:49.800 use some equipment, and he brought a few records here 2:24:49.840 --> 2:24:51.880 and there, and he put me up on the Ultimate 2:24:51.959 --> 2:24:54.160 breaks and beats, and he kicked some knowledge my way. 2:24:54.320 --> 2:24:57.640 He was definitely younger than me, but like my mentor. 2:24:57.400 --> 2:24:57.920 On some level. 2:24:58.000 --> 2:25:00.120 What would you use like at twelve hundred hun and 2:25:00.200 --> 2:25:02.960 then we went to the MPs and twelve hundred drummer. 2:25:03.000 --> 2:25:06.200 She yeah, that's the one, that's the that's the box. 2:25:06.760 --> 2:25:08.120 I mean you know who the master of the of 2:25:08.200 --> 2:25:11.320 the of the s P twelve was. I just got 2:25:11.440 --> 2:25:13.240 a big up as someone who no one talks about. 2:25:13.320 --> 2:25:16.440 Paul C. He was the master the sp I know 2:25:16.560 --> 2:25:18.720 him well, my man. That's probably how I know Large. 2:25:19.240 --> 2:25:21.199 And the other day Large gave me the biggest compliment. 2:25:21.200 --> 2:25:22.760 He said, Yo, when it comes to like beat knowledge, 2:25:22.800 --> 2:25:24.320 I always held you up there with Paul C and 2:25:24.360 --> 2:25:26.600 almost like damn because he's the king of kings. He 2:25:26.760 --> 2:25:28.440 showed me. He's the one who told me by every 2:25:28.480 --> 2:25:31.440 get out my life woman. He showed me skull snaps. 2:25:32.160 --> 2:25:35.040 It took me shopping. He was that guy. 2:25:35.160 --> 2:25:35.440 He was. 2:25:36.080 --> 2:25:39.440 He was an amazing producer and he would have he 2:25:39.480 --> 2:25:40.640 would have got paid. I mean he did a lot 2:25:40.640 --> 2:25:42.720 of records. You don't know he did, you know, including 2:25:42.760 --> 2:25:45.160 stuff ever being rock him. Give the drummers something for 2:25:45.240 --> 2:25:54.320 ultra magnetic steezo. It's my turn. Let the rhythm hit him. 2:25:54.640 --> 2:26:03.480 He did. He did Duth James, James, that's him, and 2:26:03.600 --> 2:26:07.119 they killed the peach the best. To me, he did 2:26:07.160 --> 2:26:08.720 all those records and he mixed them in the room. 2:26:08.760 --> 2:26:11.720 That was about this big. He was a nasty, nasty, 2:26:11.879 --> 2:26:12.400 nasty one. 2:26:12.480 --> 2:26:14.439 So was he primarily an engineer. 2:26:14.240 --> 2:26:17.480 And producer and a digger. He was a serious digger, 2:26:18.000 --> 2:26:19.560 for real, real real digger. 2:26:20.120 --> 2:26:20.879 I heard the legends. 2:26:20.920 --> 2:26:23.720 I heard the legend of Paul nineteen ninety right, I 2:26:23.840 --> 2:26:26.680 think so eighty nine. And he did organize Confusions demo. 2:26:26.800 --> 2:26:29.600 They're called simply too Positive STP. And I wanted to 2:26:29.640 --> 2:26:31.840 sign him. And he had Brad looped up, he had 2:26:31.920 --> 2:26:35.440 bron he had the Eddie Harris joined too, the one 2:26:35.480 --> 2:26:40.520 that that brand Nuby used. So he was nasty and 2:26:40.640 --> 2:26:42.280 asked Paul about him if you ever get large pro 2:26:42.400 --> 2:26:44.480 up here? So so whenever I when I when I 2:26:44.520 --> 2:26:46.520 think about Large, I always think about Paul cy too. 2:26:47.160 --> 2:26:48.920 So you know, Paul c. He was a legend man. 2:26:49.000 --> 2:26:50.720 He got taken up before this time. 2:26:51.080 --> 2:26:57.480 Well the last record. I'm just of course he signed 2:26:58.040 --> 2:27:02.039 l O N S. But it's something about this album 2:27:02.120 --> 2:27:02.440 that just. 2:27:04.959 --> 2:27:15.720 This nasty Lords Missus, buster Buster those solo because of this. 2:27:16.879 --> 2:27:22.280 Yes, this man Backspin did this really? 2:27:22.480 --> 2:27:24.280 Back Spin was ill. I don't know what I mean. 2:27:24.360 --> 2:27:36.000 He was plugged out, like their feminine patat like the girls. 2:27:37.320 --> 2:27:43.720 Not fat Girl the way. Yeah. To me, feminine fat 2:27:44.800 --> 2:27:47.080 should have been a single and always for. 2:27:47.040 --> 2:27:54.200 A minute, girl fat, that's Phil Cosby no booking tm MG, 2:27:54.360 --> 2:27:56.439 oh yeah, yeah yeah sing a simple song joint. 2:27:56.320 --> 2:27:58.400 No the uh that that? 2:27:58.840 --> 2:27:59.440 I know what you mean. 2:27:59.879 --> 2:28:01.600 I wouldn't have that luck if it wasn't for. 2:28:03.080 --> 2:28:04.040 The silver album. 2:28:04.640 --> 2:28:15.480 Yeah, it's on that. I always that's the question I 2:28:15.560 --> 2:28:16.600 played this to ask you. 2:28:17.080 --> 2:28:20.480 Why was this not a rest of the band wouldn't 2:28:20.480 --> 2:28:23.200 go for it? That's bust. And I always thought, like 2:28:23.240 --> 2:28:24.560 when I heard that bus, I was like, damn, he 2:28:24.640 --> 2:28:27.040 got that yard Man ship. He's ill. It was like 2:28:27.080 --> 2:28:28.960 a real that sound like a real Brooklyn record too. 2:28:29.080 --> 2:28:32.000 I can't even explain why this has that yard Man field. 2:28:32.040 --> 2:28:34.760 Buster was so he was so incredible, you know, he 2:28:34.879 --> 2:28:36.720 was just so charismatic from day one to. 2:28:36.840 --> 2:28:39.720 This to this day. I still spend feminine fat by 2:28:39.920 --> 2:28:41.400 leaders of the news that. 2:28:41.400 --> 2:28:43.360 Record in at least ten years. That's an ill one. 2:28:44.040 --> 2:28:45.560 It's incredible. 2:28:46.879 --> 2:28:50.440 Chemist backspin at he was ill. He did he had 2:28:50.440 --> 2:28:51.760 a couple of joints on that album. I don't think 2:28:51.760 --> 2:28:54.440 he ever did so. He produced this and that was 2:28:54.520 --> 2:28:55.560 Buster's man from Brooklyn. 2:28:55.640 --> 2:28:56.280 What else did he do? 2:28:56.480 --> 2:28:58.000 He did a couple of songs on an album. I 2:28:58.280 --> 2:29:00.520 have to see the album and my memories a little hazy. 2:29:00.640 --> 2:29:02.680 But he didn't have any other productions that time that 2:29:02.720 --> 2:29:03.240 I'm aware of. 2:29:03.760 --> 2:29:06.359 Maybe something here or there, but nothing significant. 2:29:07.320 --> 2:29:09.360 Okay, So there's so much that we have not touched on. 2:29:09.440 --> 2:29:11.640 We didn't even get onto Santana. Oh yeah, yeah, is 2:29:11.680 --> 2:29:13.280 there only Grammy the Santana record? 2:29:13.600 --> 2:29:14.800 I only got one? Sorry, bro? 2:29:16.000 --> 2:29:18.360 And can I still hang? Of course he can't. 2:29:18.520 --> 2:29:20.480 Guys want to make sure. Yeah, yeah, I got that. 2:29:20.600 --> 2:29:23.240 I did a ever Last That was the first song 2:29:23.320 --> 2:29:24.800 we did after he because he had a heart attack. 2:29:24.840 --> 2:29:26.520 If did Whitey Ford sings a blues that I've got 2:29:26.560 --> 2:29:28.880 to mention. He was more in congeneral heart disorder and 2:29:28.959 --> 2:29:31.720 his kuminin was misprescribed and he had a heart attack. 2:29:31.760 --> 2:29:34.160 He almost died. I mixed the album without him. He 2:29:34.280 --> 2:29:36.760 was in hospital couperating and then he got better. One 2:29:36.800 --> 2:29:39.600 on tour and I got a call from Pete Gamberg 2:29:39.920 --> 2:29:41.560 and he was like, do you guys have a song 2:29:41.680 --> 2:29:45.800 for Santana? And I said, yeah, sure, we didn't, And 2:29:46.760 --> 2:29:50.560 Everlass was in town coincidentally doing Good Morning America, and 2:29:50.959 --> 2:29:53.320 he was like, Yo, let's track the song. And I 2:29:53.400 --> 2:29:55.560 took a beat that was from an old casual song 2:29:56.280 --> 2:29:58.520 that had a Latin feel to it with the bongo 2:29:58.600 --> 2:30:01.000 in it. And I was like, yo, I think these 2:30:01.080 --> 2:30:02.800 drums are rock. He's like, those are perfect, and we 2:30:02.959 --> 2:30:06.240 used those drums and he recorded it and then I 2:30:06.760 --> 2:30:09.400 basically ripped off the illea drum break and won in 2:30:09.480 --> 2:30:12.040 a million and I used that and break and that 2:30:12.200 --> 2:30:13.960 was the song. And I gave Pete the demo like 2:30:14.640 --> 2:30:16.680 thirty six hours later, and he was like, when can 2:30:16.720 --> 2:30:18.240 you go do it? And I was like, when can 2:30:18.280 --> 2:30:20.560 you write a check? He said, how much do you need? 2:30:20.640 --> 2:30:22.640 And I asked him for the biggest check I'd ever 2:30:22.680 --> 2:30:24.640 asked anyone for him my whole life, to produce a record. 2:30:24.680 --> 2:30:26.400 He was like, no problem, and I went and did 2:30:26.440 --> 2:30:26.800 the record. 2:30:26.959 --> 2:30:27.199 Wow. 2:30:27.360 --> 2:30:29.880 And I worked with Santana two times after that, and 2:30:30.160 --> 2:30:31.720 it was cool. I worked with him at Anthony Hamilton 2:30:31.760 --> 2:30:33.480 that was that was badass because I wrote the lyrics 2:30:33.520 --> 2:30:35.720 on that song too, and I never really write lyrics, 2:30:35.760 --> 2:30:39.000 So so, yeah, Carlos Santana, he's ill. He's the coolest, 2:30:39.320 --> 2:30:43.800 and Anthony Hamilton is the coolest too, so so you know, 2:30:43.840 --> 2:30:46.040 I don't produce records anymore, but but I always think 2:30:46.080 --> 2:30:48.520 the Santana records like the last significant record I produced, 2:30:48.520 --> 2:30:49.959 The Wane with Anthony Hamilton. 2:30:49.920 --> 2:30:52.000 And to me that that's you know which album was 2:30:52.040 --> 2:30:55.160 this with Santa Anason all that I am okay? 2:30:55.320 --> 2:30:56.720 I was like, I think that was the last one 2:30:56.760 --> 2:30:58.320 NE did on Jay. And when I did the song, 2:30:58.800 --> 2:31:02.120 they made me Josh Stone did the original vocal and 2:31:02.200 --> 2:31:04.080 I had to change the whole register of the song 2:31:04.160 --> 2:31:07.080 for her and it didn't rock right and she didn't 2:31:07.080 --> 2:31:09.000 sing it right. And I took it to Clive and 2:31:09.080 --> 2:31:10.959 he handed me the demo back and I was like, oh, 2:31:11.000 --> 2:31:13.400 put the guy on it. That doesn't work, and I 2:31:13.480 --> 2:31:15.880 want to recut the entire record again in the original 2:31:15.959 --> 2:31:20.160 register with the band. And then Anthony came and sang it, 2:31:20.400 --> 2:31:23.560 and and what's crazy is I played keyboards on it, 2:31:23.600 --> 2:31:25.640 and I don't really play keyboards all that well, but 2:31:25.760 --> 2:31:28.520 I just, you know, chopped my shit up. I played 2:31:28.520 --> 2:31:32.120 the Warlitter on it, and they had Serban mix it 2:31:32.200 --> 2:31:36.840 and he bricked the mix. He didn't because he didn't 2:31:36.879 --> 2:31:38.720 know how the records supposed to sound. It's supposed to 2:31:38.720 --> 2:31:39.000 sound like. 2:31:38.959 --> 2:31:39.680 A Donny Hathaway. 2:31:42.240 --> 2:31:44.160 So I went out to Cali and I sat with 2:31:44.240 --> 2:31:45.480 him and he said what do I do? I said, 2:31:45.520 --> 2:31:46.920 how much I pay you? And he told him. I said, 2:31:46.920 --> 2:31:49.160 maybe you should do it yourself. And then I was like, now, 2:31:50.120 --> 2:31:52.160 I sat down and I fixed it around and I said, 2:31:52.200 --> 2:31:52.800 that's the record. 2:31:52.840 --> 2:31:54.920 And so initially he sent it to Surban Blinds and 2:31:55.120 --> 2:31:55.320 he did. 2:31:55.560 --> 2:31:56.600 They wouldn't do that. They did that. 2:31:56.720 --> 2:31:58.920 That's okay. I'm about to say, I want to Bob. 2:31:58.840 --> 2:32:01.320 Howers a mixer keeping hundred or Jamie Stoub They just 2:32:01.440 --> 2:32:02.039 wasn't trying. 2:32:01.879 --> 2:32:02.120 To hear that. 2:32:02.400 --> 2:32:05.560 Serving is the first and probably the the exception of 2:32:05.640 --> 2:32:08.800 Jimmy Douglas, the only cat that I've ever just Douglas 2:32:09.480 --> 2:32:12.520 sent a mix to and it's like, yeah. 2:32:12.440 --> 2:32:14.520 We know what we do. I know what you want, man. 2:32:15.040 --> 2:32:16.760 I mean, he just you know, I wanted to sound 2:32:16.800 --> 2:32:18.920 like a Donnie Hathaway record. I wanted to sound I 2:32:18.920 --> 2:32:20.200 didn't want it to sound. He thought it was all 2:32:20.200 --> 2:32:21.320 about the drums and it wasn't. 2:32:22.120 --> 2:32:25.520 Yeah, well, Jimmy Douglas is awesome for that's like he 2:32:25.720 --> 2:32:27.560 just you give him a reference. 2:32:27.640 --> 2:32:29.240 He's like, yeah, I did that back in seventy. 2:32:29.080 --> 2:32:30.160 Fourth, right, he probably did. 2:32:30.240 --> 2:32:30.520 He did. 2:32:30.840 --> 2:32:34.879 He did slave black, slave, foreigner white, like a stuff 2:32:34.959 --> 2:32:39.560 and he's He's and he did Timland He's the g Yeah. Yeah, 2:32:39.560 --> 2:32:42.640 I mean so so after I mean I got this 2:32:42.680 --> 2:32:44.840 stuff after it, Yeah, I did. I did the second 2:32:44.879 --> 2:32:47.920 ever last record. I did a you know, I did 2:32:47.959 --> 2:32:50.320 all these remix for every rock rap band in the 2:32:50.400 --> 2:32:52.080 world that I made a lot of money doing that, 2:32:52.480 --> 2:32:56.040 Like I did like six corn remixes and Incubis and 2:32:56.240 --> 2:33:00.240 fucking all that bullshit, and I was just polishing more 2:33:00.240 --> 2:33:03.280 and more turns. I got to be honest, I was 2:33:03.360 --> 2:33:05.160 just like, you know, it was like it was, it 2:33:05.280 --> 2:33:08.000 wasn't getting better, it was getting worse. And I got 2:33:08.040 --> 2:33:09.959 this big publishing deal and I was like, I'm going 2:33:10.000 --> 2:33:12.280 to be a songwriter. There's one problem with me being 2:33:12.320 --> 2:33:14.840 a songwriter. I can't really play an instrument that well 2:33:15.240 --> 2:33:17.200 and I don't know how to write lyrics, so so 2:33:17.320 --> 2:33:19.760 being a songwriter is probably pretty hard for me. But 2:33:19.920 --> 2:33:22.280 but I got a couple of songs off and and uh, 2:33:22.720 --> 2:33:24.400 you know, I did this. I did this last two 2:33:24.480 --> 2:33:27.760 recordsigning and name what they are, but they were not 2:33:27.920 --> 2:33:31.720 artistically fulfilling. And then I started working with Travis Barker 2:33:31.800 --> 2:33:34.160 and I helped him out make his solo record, and 2:33:34.240 --> 2:33:37.119 I was living in l A. And Uh, my dad 2:33:37.240 --> 2:33:39.800 passed and le York called me up, so he knew 2:33:39.840 --> 2:33:41.120 how close to me and my dad were. An e 2:33:41.320 --> 2:33:43.120 from me a job at Warner Brothers, and I went 2:33:43.200 --> 2:33:45.440 and I took a job working at Warner Brothers in 2:33:45.480 --> 2:33:47.520 New York. I moved back. I was living in l A. 2:33:48.000 --> 2:33:51.200 And I did a third ever last record to that 2:33:51.280 --> 2:33:56.080 tank and Leo one, what was the throne call? I 2:33:56.080 --> 2:33:59.080 had White Tress Beautiful, So I did it and Lee 2:33:59.160 --> 2:34:01.600 York lew York gave him the deal and then lee 2:34:01.680 --> 2:34:04.160 Or quit like a month eight weeks before the record 2:34:04.240 --> 2:34:06.039 came out, and I got stuck with La Reed trying 2:34:06.040 --> 2:34:09.000 to explain what the record was about and that you 2:34:09.040 --> 2:34:11.560 know you can tell that you know it is what 2:34:11.680 --> 2:34:14.600 it is. So lear he owed me one and he 2:34:14.720 --> 2:34:17.039 he asked me if I wanted a in our job, 2:34:17.080 --> 2:34:18.680 and I was like, yeah, you know, there's a couple 2:34:18.720 --> 2:34:20.119 of things in my life I've been good at. That's 2:34:20.160 --> 2:34:22.680 one of them. So uh, I took the job in 2:34:22.720 --> 2:34:24.160 New York and I worked there for a couple of years, 2:34:24.240 --> 2:34:26.480 and I got to tell you, it was very frustrating. 2:34:26.600 --> 2:34:28.119 For the first few years. I found this guy named 2:34:28.120 --> 2:34:31.880 Maclamore and and Tom Moskowitz told me sucked and uh 2:34:32.360 --> 2:34:35.880 and I told Leora I was gonna quit. Yeah, right, 2:34:36.000 --> 2:34:38.240 So I told Lear I was gonna quit. Todd wouldn't 2:34:38.280 --> 2:34:39.920 let me sign anything, said take it to a DA 2:34:40.360 --> 2:34:42.840 see if Kenny wants to do and Kenny Wiggley I 2:34:42.879 --> 2:34:44.720 connected him and Zach Quol and he ended up doing 2:34:44.760 --> 2:34:46.960 the deal. The record came out, and I went to 2:34:47.080 --> 2:34:49.640 work at Adam became vice prosident Ada and I still 2:34:49.680 --> 2:34:52.400 worked there now, you know. So so it all worked 2:34:52.400 --> 2:34:55.160 out in the end amazing and uh, you know, I 2:34:55.240 --> 2:34:58.520 mean I can't necessarily say I was like, I'm recognized 2:34:58.520 --> 2:35:00.240 as Macmore's A and R because the the way we 2:35:00.360 --> 2:35:02.680 do records at ADAS, we kind of take finished records. 2:35:02.879 --> 2:35:05.840 It's a distribution coming to label services. But since then 2:35:05.879 --> 2:35:08.440 I signed and I signed a little Dicky you know, 2:35:08.600 --> 2:35:11.360 saved that money as my record. Oh really yeah, and 2:35:11.440 --> 2:35:14.400 that's like a platinum single. And I signed Maide in 2:35:14.440 --> 2:35:16.720 Tokyo who have the Uber Everywhere, which is just one 2:35:16.760 --> 2:35:18.640 platinum too. So I had a little, you know, a 2:35:18.720 --> 2:35:21.120 nice little run in downtown. The other record didn't sell. 2:35:21.200 --> 2:35:23.320 The singles sold, and so it's been a good little 2:35:23.360 --> 2:35:25.480 you know, twelve months over there for me, I'm about 2:35:25.480 --> 2:35:27.520 to be senior vice president and blah blah blah ah 2:35:27.600 --> 2:35:30.080 that bullshit, all the bells and whistles. But it's ironic 2:35:30.200 --> 2:35:33.520 that twenty five years later, I'm kind of back where 2:35:33.640 --> 2:35:36.400 it started, you know, doing A and R in the 2:35:36.440 --> 2:35:39.879 Warner Music Group again and and having a very good 2:35:39.959 --> 2:35:43.760 run right now. But the disparity in the music I 2:35:43.879 --> 2:35:47.000 work on is is really mind boggling. Like, my, how 2:35:47.040 --> 2:35:48.840 do you My good friend Pete said, he used to 2:35:48.840 --> 2:35:51.840 do all dirty bastard. It's okay, you have enough credibility, 2:35:51.879 --> 2:35:54.280 you can do whatever you want to do. I mean 2:35:54.560 --> 2:35:56.680 I had this record, this Jordan Belafert record. Man, I 2:35:56.720 --> 2:35:58.440 mean that's a gold record. But like you guys would 2:35:58.440 --> 2:36:00.720 punch me if you heard the record, so, you know 2:36:00.840 --> 2:36:02.959 you you'd be like, yo, I gave you crab tonight, Like. 2:36:04.920 --> 2:36:07.160 Here's the here's the thing though. The thing is is 2:36:07.240 --> 2:36:13.720 that now that you're older and wiser one and you 2:36:13.920 --> 2:36:17.960 know that the tastes of your youth are not exactly 2:36:18.040 --> 2:36:22.240 in line with what is out today, Like how do 2:36:22.360 --> 2:36:25.560 you trust yourself when you know? How do you know 2:36:25.920 --> 2:36:29.879 this is going to work? I mean versus I really love. 2:36:29.800 --> 2:36:34.080 This analytics right that that plays into it. I do 2:36:34.200 --> 2:36:39.320 heavy analytics. I helped run the research department for for 2:36:39.640 --> 2:36:42.760 Atlantic because I also work at Atlantic, so I am 2:36:43.080 --> 2:36:46.680 one of the heads of that so research driven. And then, 2:36:47.280 --> 2:36:49.360 like in the case of Maclamore, I just really believed 2:36:49.400 --> 2:36:52.040 in what he was, Like I saw it live and 2:36:52.120 --> 2:36:54.960 I was like, Oh, this this I connect to. So 2:36:55.200 --> 2:36:59.000 however you feel about him, he's exceptional on what he does, right, 2:36:59.120 --> 2:37:02.000 and I recognize his exceptionalness. I thought he was he 2:37:02.080 --> 2:37:04.040 was great at what he does. And we talk about 2:37:04.080 --> 2:37:05.840 little Dickey, so same thing. I thought he was great 2:37:05.840 --> 2:37:07.800 at what he did, Like he's really good at what 2:37:07.840 --> 2:37:08.360 he does, like. 2:37:08.400 --> 2:37:08.720 Him or not. 2:37:09.200 --> 2:37:12.480 So I guess I do my job with less sentiment, right, 2:37:12.600 --> 2:37:14.920 with less of my heart and more of my brains. 2:37:15.520 --> 2:37:18.840 And I also am keyed into knowing it's a singles market, 2:37:18.920 --> 2:37:22.040 it's a streaming world. Your album may never sell. And 2:37:22.400 --> 2:37:25.280 the end result of that twofold one, I've become much 2:37:25.400 --> 2:37:29.640 smarter at my job, much less emotionally connected and attached, 2:37:29.879 --> 2:37:32.879 which allows me to leave my job at my desk 2:37:33.360 --> 2:37:36.280 and enjoy my life a little life, right, and I 2:37:36.360 --> 2:37:39.840 reaped the benefits financially. But two, I feel like me 2:37:40.000 --> 2:37:42.440 and and lots of other people who do what I 2:37:42.520 --> 2:37:46.800 do for a living, we have killed the art form 2:37:46.879 --> 2:37:50.800 of the classic great rap record album. That rap album 2:37:50.959 --> 2:37:53.760 is no longer important due to streaming, and we have 2:37:53.920 --> 2:37:56.400 to we have to if we want to survive in 2:37:56.440 --> 2:37:59.879 the business, accept that fact. And I've accepted that fact begrudgingly, 2:38:00.440 --> 2:38:02.440 but I accept that fact. And that is what it 2:38:02.520 --> 2:38:04.920 is right now. And you know, when I when I, 2:38:05.640 --> 2:38:07.760 you know, I do a lean and mean man. I 2:38:07.760 --> 2:38:10.040 don't much like my early days. I don't spend a 2:38:10.040 --> 2:38:12.280 lot of money picking these records up. I allow people 2:38:12.320 --> 2:38:15.520 to own themselves. You own your masters and a large 2:38:15.800 --> 2:38:18.160 or large royalty. It's a whole different way of doing business. 2:38:19.080 --> 2:38:22.199 But but I think for me exciting because I feel 2:38:22.280 --> 2:38:24.760 like I'm continuing to the independent side of the culture. 2:38:25.160 --> 2:38:27.080 And for me, that's exciting. And I balance it out 2:38:27.120 --> 2:38:29.960 by going to play records with just Blaze and large 2:38:30.000 --> 2:38:32.480 Pro and digging and and you know, doing all the 2:38:32.560 --> 2:38:34.920 other things I like. So, you know, kind of my 2:38:35.000 --> 2:38:36.400 life has a lot of balance to it. 2:38:36.560 --> 2:38:38.480 Do you ever pray that it will come full circle 2:38:38.560 --> 2:38:41.000 again and there will be a generation in that I 2:38:41.080 --> 2:38:43.720 believe that once to dig again and that that I 2:38:43.760 --> 2:38:44.320 don't know if that. 2:38:44.320 --> 2:38:47.360 Will ever happen me because of finances, right, Clearing records 2:38:47.400 --> 2:38:50.360 cost too much money. But I do believe there are 2:38:50.560 --> 2:38:53.560 great rappers in the world. Jay elect, for one, is 2:38:53.600 --> 2:38:57.720 a great rapper. Chance the rappers phenomenal. There's lots of 2:38:57.879 --> 2:39:03.520 us election. Where is that guy? But you know, and 2:39:03.640 --> 2:39:05.600 and I even like Future it's a different thing. But 2:39:05.879 --> 2:39:09.120 once again, for what he does, he's phenomenal. And there's 2:39:09.200 --> 2:39:12.200 polarizing artists like a little YACHTI who I have to 2:39:12.280 --> 2:39:15.400 respect because he's polarizing, right, But but there are people 2:39:15.400 --> 2:39:18.560 who still really can rap. You know, I believe yg 2:39:18.760 --> 2:39:22.119 makes really good music. A chance the rapper vic mensa. 2:39:22.760 --> 2:39:24.800 You know, there's lots of guys out there who still 2:39:24.959 --> 2:39:27.760 spit and and still rap really great. And then there's 2:39:27.760 --> 2:39:30.200 lots of guys who make good music. Maybe they're not 2:39:30.280 --> 2:39:33.960 the greatest rappers because my bar is set with rock him, right, 2:39:34.440 --> 2:39:36.520 So so my bar is here. But that's okay because 2:39:36.560 --> 2:39:39.560 I look at music and chambers. Everything has their own chamber. 2:39:39.840 --> 2:39:42.760 So I can't expect the trap rap dude of the day. 2:39:44.240 --> 2:39:46.360 If I expected that I'll always be miserable. I'll be 2:39:46.400 --> 2:39:49.240 the cranky old man in my size thirty eight jeans 2:39:49.640 --> 2:39:51.640 beefing with the fitted hat. And that's not me. 2:39:52.480 --> 2:39:56.880 You know, you know I have to be. I have 2:39:57.040 --> 2:39:57.200 to be. 2:39:58.280 --> 2:40:01.240 I have to be abreast of what's popping right now. 2:40:01.360 --> 2:40:02.680 And you know I mean this. 2:40:02.840 --> 2:40:05.040 That's how I am culturally too. I never wanted see 2:40:05.040 --> 2:40:07.040 because when I was young, the old bitter dude. I 2:40:07.080 --> 2:40:08.920 didn't like that dude. So I don't want to be 2:40:09.000 --> 2:40:11.320 that old bitter dude that no one want. No one 2:40:11.360 --> 2:40:13.840 wants to be ro you know that dude's corny. 2:40:14.040 --> 2:40:14.920 But we're that bit. 2:40:16.400 --> 2:40:18.160 I mean, I'm not. I'm not bitter man. And I 2:40:18.240 --> 2:40:20.560 find things I love and you know, I'm trying to 2:40:20.600 --> 2:40:22.040 do a couple of things right now I believe in 2:40:22.120 --> 2:40:24.600 and whether it gets done or not, who knows. But 2:40:24.920 --> 2:40:26.600 that said, you know, the problems with doing A and 2:40:26.680 --> 2:40:29.680 R now is no secrets. Everybody knows everything, so everything 2:40:29.720 --> 2:40:33.560 goes zero to sixty right away, right right away. Even 2:40:33.640 --> 2:40:36.320 from when I when we found Maclamore to now, things 2:40:36.360 --> 2:40:39.160 have changed dramatically. So the kind of artist that I 2:40:39.280 --> 2:40:42.560 work with wants to remain independent. He doesn't necessarily want 2:40:42.600 --> 2:40:44.560 to be part of a big machine because we have 2:40:44.640 --> 2:40:47.880 seen so many guys get signed to that big label 2:40:48.120 --> 2:40:50.360 and the breaks come on and that's that, and that's 2:40:50.400 --> 2:40:53.720 been since forever, but we really see it now, right 2:40:53.800 --> 2:40:56.520 And I can aim ten guys who had a big 2:40:56.600 --> 2:40:59.440 buzz and they got signed in that major that came 2:40:59.480 --> 2:40:59.800 to break. 2:41:00.400 --> 2:41:00.560 You know. 2:41:00.680 --> 2:41:02.360 The other thing, the other side of is for me 2:41:02.440 --> 2:41:04.360 to bring something in the building that's at zero and 2:41:04.400 --> 2:41:06.000 think I'm gonna go zero to sixty with it. It's 2:41:06.000 --> 2:41:08.600 probably not gonna happen. He asked that that artist has 2:41:08.640 --> 2:41:10.240 to be to build it. You gotta be able to 2:41:10.280 --> 2:41:12.360 do it himself. And we all can do it because 2:41:12.440 --> 2:41:15.000 right there, Quest got his laptop. That's that's your whole 2:41:15.040 --> 2:41:18.160 world right there. That's that's your record company, that's your 2:41:18.520 --> 2:41:23.040 recording studio. That's your marketing tool, that's your vice president 2:41:23.080 --> 2:41:26.440 of marketing, that's your promo team. That's everything everything right 2:41:26.600 --> 2:41:28.320 and and you know, man, just get it on iTunes 2:41:28.360 --> 2:41:30.240 and can end up in the streaming world and you 2:41:30.360 --> 2:41:32.560 can win. And I mean, look at chance, man, he 2:41:32.560 --> 2:41:35.440 said fuck you to everybody, most punk rock shit ever. 2:41:35.640 --> 2:41:37.000 I tried to sign him when he put out ten 2:41:37.080 --> 2:41:39.920 days I flew to Chicago. He was like, nah, right, so, 2:41:40.120 --> 2:41:41.720 and he told me I wasn't the first one there. 2:41:42.120 --> 2:41:42.320 Wow. 2:41:42.440 --> 2:41:44.040 And he's that shrewd enough to say no. 2:41:44.440 --> 2:41:46.120 He said no to Sylvia Rome before he said no 2:41:46.200 --> 2:41:46.360 to me. 2:41:46.520 --> 2:41:46.880 Somebody. 2:41:48.400 --> 2:41:50.000 His manager has a lot of money, but he makes 2:41:50.000 --> 2:41:52.240 a lot of money. He's a touring act. Look, man, 2:41:52.280 --> 2:41:54.080 it's a hard ticket world right now. If you're out 2:41:54.080 --> 2:41:56.760 there touring amazing. I can name five guys, and I'm 2:41:56.760 --> 2:41:59.480 not giving away no secrets. Who are touring acts who 2:41:59.520 --> 2:42:01.760 don't need a record deal. The Suicide Boys don't need 2:42:01.840 --> 2:42:04.680 a record deal. Pooh, yeah, I don't need a record deal. 2:42:05.000 --> 2:42:07.160 I mean, little young Doff don't need a record deal. 2:42:07.200 --> 2:42:09.480 These dudes don't need record deals. They are on the 2:42:09.560 --> 2:42:13.120 road making money, selling merch doing whatever they doing. And 2:42:13.200 --> 2:42:16.200 they're not selling thousands, hundreds of thousands of records. But 2:42:16.280 --> 2:42:18.520 let's be real. The New Gold records one hundred thousand, 2:42:18.560 --> 2:42:20.920 the New Gold albums one hundred thousand. A single might 2:42:20.959 --> 2:42:22.840 sell a million. I caught a couple this year, but 2:42:23.000 --> 2:42:26.200 my albums are not selling like that. Nobody's are. It's 2:42:26.240 --> 2:42:29.080 a different game. But you know what, I'm shrewd enough. 2:42:29.480 --> 2:42:33.440 And I've always been involved in technology enough because I 2:42:33.680 --> 2:42:36.920 was a producer, like and I shifted with time that 2:42:37.200 --> 2:42:39.280 that I see where it goes and where it's going. 2:42:39.320 --> 2:42:41.040 And hopefully I can continue to do that. If I don't, 2:42:41.080 --> 2:42:43.280 I don't got a job, right, and I don't know 2:42:43.280 --> 2:42:46.920 how to do that many other things. I pray for 2:42:47.120 --> 2:42:49.360 the practice of acceptance. I have like a serious meditation 2:42:49.480 --> 2:42:52.120 practice and all this other tree hugger bullshit I do. 2:42:52.680 --> 2:42:55.680 And that's important, That's very important. That is important. 2:42:55.720 --> 2:42:57.640 Every day I gotta I gotta wake up in the morning. 2:42:57.720 --> 2:42:59.959 I have to make conscious contact with maharre power. 2:43:00.080 --> 2:43:05.000 That's at all he got on me about that about meditating. 2:43:05.160 --> 2:43:08.240 I mean, I'm meditating, pray. I've After my father died, 2:43:08.240 --> 2:43:11.360 I just developed a much deeper connection to my higher power. 2:43:11.640 --> 2:43:12.840 So I had to deal with a lot. So you know, 2:43:13.120 --> 2:43:15.520 you get closer to God when things happened, right, So 2:43:15.680 --> 2:43:18.080 so as you know, I live one hundred percent sober 2:43:18.160 --> 2:43:20.240 life for a long time now, and and you know 2:43:20.320 --> 2:43:23.680 I don't smoke or drink anymore. And you know, I'm 2:43:23.720 --> 2:43:28.760 still bad with ladies. That's that's progress, not perfection. But 2:43:30.000 --> 2:43:32.840 it's like I'm I'm happy where I am. You know, 2:43:32.959 --> 2:43:34.960 it's like I'm blessed to still have a job and 2:43:35.040 --> 2:43:38.760 still have, uh you know, a source of income doing 2:43:38.840 --> 2:43:41.040 what I love it. And I have all these great 2:43:41.080 --> 2:43:44.200 relationships with with people I worked with for my whole life. 2:43:44.240 --> 2:43:46.520 And you know, it's damn I talked to Positive News today. 2:43:46.560 --> 2:43:49.440 You know, it's like I spoke the mugs over the weekend. 2:43:49.560 --> 2:43:51.320 Like I have these friends who I'm going to. It's 2:43:51.360 --> 2:43:53.080 like I always say, we didn't go to college, We 2:43:53.160 --> 2:43:53.800 went to hip hop. 2:43:54.800 --> 2:43:57.000 You know, that's a quote for your ass right there. 2:43:57.200 --> 2:43:59.000 You know, that's what we did. And this was our 2:43:59.080 --> 2:44:01.120 hip hop. Whether you know was hanging out with with 2:44:01.240 --> 2:44:04.360 all these Shahid recently or whoever. It's like we we 2:44:04.840 --> 2:44:07.200 are part of this thing that's so much bigger than us. 2:44:07.240 --> 2:44:09.760 And I'm just I always wanted to be Steve Cropper 2:44:10.080 --> 2:44:12.199 or Jerry Wexhan. I'm not going to say I'm those guys, 2:44:12.680 --> 2:44:15.200 but but I have a little a little piece of 2:44:15.280 --> 2:44:17.920 the history of of what this is about and continue 2:44:17.959 --> 2:44:19.560 to write my history. And for me, that's enough. 2:44:19.760 --> 2:44:25.160 You signed o dB and got a completed record, TV 2:44:25.360 --> 2:44:30.320 record brou Well. You know I can go on forever 2:44:30.640 --> 2:44:32.640 thank you for fulfilling, thank you for having me my 2:44:32.840 --> 2:44:36.320 nerd fantasy on just the whole renaissance era of hip 2:44:36.320 --> 2:44:42.400 hop dance, Ross, ladies and gentlemen, Thank you, thank you guys. 2:44:44.360 --> 2:44:45.320 That that was amazing. 2:44:47.879 --> 2:44:53.720 Gentlemen, we've learned a lot about renaissance hip hop. Tikeolo, 2:44:54.280 --> 2:44:55.640 any final. 2:44:55.440 --> 2:44:58.199 Thoughts, Man, I'm just, man, I'm just it's just so amazing, 2:44:58.360 --> 2:45:01.840 how like I want to there's a correlation between you know, 2:45:02.080 --> 2:45:05.160 hearing him talk about how the records were cheap, How 2:45:05.240 --> 2:45:07.480 cheap the records were, you know, for a record, you know, 2:45:07.560 --> 2:45:09.560 like a daylight to get made for like ninety thousand 2:45:09.640 --> 2:45:12.520 or whatever, for something so groundbreaking be made for so cheap, 2:45:12.560 --> 2:45:16.560 and you look at what rap budgets became later on. 2:45:17.080 --> 2:45:19.600 You know, it's I think there's something to be said, 2:45:19.760 --> 2:45:22.360 you know, doing sometimes you can do more with less. 2:45:22.600 --> 2:45:25.120 I think that forces you to be in some ways, 2:45:25.160 --> 2:45:27.560 that forces you to be a lot more creative, because 2:45:27.640 --> 2:45:30.600 you really you got to make every everything count, every dollar, 2:45:30.800 --> 2:45:34.680 every minute in the studio, you every every real like everything, 2:45:34.760 --> 2:45:36.600 you know what I'm saying, So you can't really fuck around. 2:45:36.680 --> 2:45:39.040 And they always say that like necessity is a mother invention. 2:45:39.240 --> 2:45:40.560 So you know, if you don't have the money to 2:45:40.600 --> 2:45:44.280 pay for you know, whatever whatever studio equipment you need, 2:45:44.320 --> 2:45:46.520 and you can come up with something, you gotta make it. Yeah, 2:45:46.600 --> 2:45:47.879 you got to figure it out. It's amazing. 2:45:48.000 --> 2:45:52.080 Yeah, I gotta say that. My rule number one is 2:45:52.840 --> 2:45:55.800 I hate those comfort studios. I mean a lot of 2:45:55.840 --> 2:45:58.800 them are shutting down now. But like one of the 2:45:58.879 --> 2:46:01.520 biggest things about like roots albums was the fact that 2:46:01.680 --> 2:46:03.560 when we track the music, when I did like the 2:46:03.680 --> 2:46:08.320 music and the stuff, I wanted it in the most uncomfortable, 2:46:08.640 --> 2:46:13.480 unsavory none. I mean we always joke like fruit basket 2:46:13.560 --> 2:46:16.960 situation and non fruit basket situation, Like Tarik needs to 2:46:17.000 --> 2:46:20.640 be comfortable in a you know, sunshine and fruit baskets 2:46:20.720 --> 2:46:24.199 and all that stuff and free pastries that that sort 2:46:24.240 --> 2:46:27.880 of man. I mean, he got to be in his 2:46:28.000 --> 2:46:30.840 zone and you know he needs fresh praise series and 2:46:31.000 --> 2:46:35.040 fruit baskets. But like, you know, I wanted the opposite. 2:46:35.200 --> 2:46:38.800 Like even now, when I make roots records, I record 2:46:38.920 --> 2:46:41.920 them in our dressing room at thirty Rock, which is 2:46:42.080 --> 2:46:44.680 essentially our you know, it's like a closet. 2:46:46.240 --> 2:46:47.560 I just have this this this. 2:46:49.360 --> 2:46:53.560 Fear of going soft if I'm in a comfortable environment. 2:46:53.680 --> 2:46:57.160 So maybe it's a good thing that, you know, what 2:46:57.280 --> 2:47:00.120 would the l O and S records sound like with 2:47:00.240 --> 2:47:03.960 a seven hundred thousand dollars budget a budget? Yeah, I 2:47:04.000 --> 2:47:06.280 mean who would know if if they were giving them 2:47:06.360 --> 2:47:09.960 righteous budget. But then it kind of also makes me 2:47:10.080 --> 2:47:13.720 mad that that even labels didn't see the art that 2:47:13.840 --> 2:47:17.680 they had on their hands to you know, give it justice. 2:47:17.840 --> 2:47:20.119 I mean, yeah, I think that was the selling point 2:47:20.200 --> 2:47:21.840 kind of a lot of hip hop. And you talked 2:47:21.840 --> 2:47:23.560 to you know, a lot of the OG's in the game, 2:47:23.600 --> 2:47:26.240 they all say that like the selling point of hip hop. 2:47:26.360 --> 2:47:26.800 It wasn't. 2:47:27.000 --> 2:47:28.760 I don't think the label really understood the music. It 2:47:28.879 --> 2:47:30.880 was just it could be produced for so cheap. The 2:47:30.959 --> 2:47:33.520 profit margin on it was so high, so it was like, okay, 2:47:33.560 --> 2:47:36.280 you mean, we ain't got to bring a drummer, a bassis, 2:47:36.360 --> 2:47:39.360 a guitarist, and we just need just you and your records. 2:47:39.560 --> 2:47:41.920 Okay, cool, we'll sign it. So hip hop is truly 2:47:41.920 --> 2:47:45.400 even the New Blues, oh my god, the New Blues 2:47:45.440 --> 2:47:48.760 and labels are just Alan lomax is walking around with. 2:47:49.959 --> 2:47:58.840 Field recordings and shit, young thug natural environment life here 2:47:58.840 --> 2:48:05.520 at the Trap House with certain Gucci talking about so 2:48:05.680 --> 2:48:06.840 I'm still a flare himself. 2:48:07.160 --> 2:48:13.920 Unpaid Billed Steve. Uh, you know, you guys are are intricate, 2:48:15.200 --> 2:48:21.640 vital parts of this show. Did you learn anything special? 2:48:22.040 --> 2:48:25.600 Dante Ross is some Jedi Yoda hip hop god. Yes, 2:48:25.680 --> 2:48:29.600 I learned that. I was also impressed by the someone 2:48:29.640 --> 2:48:31.160 who has a career in music and is somewhere in 2:48:31.160 --> 2:48:33.080 the middle of it at this point. To have that 2:48:33.280 --> 2:48:36.880 kind of longevity and continue to do groundbreaking ship at 2:48:36.920 --> 2:48:39.600 each turn is really unbelievable. And I don't you know 2:48:40.440 --> 2:48:42.680 something to aspire to, I said, I suppose. 2:48:42.959 --> 2:48:44.920 Yeah, I think we all want to be Dante Ross. 2:48:46.240 --> 2:48:47.800 We went that far. 2:48:49.440 --> 2:48:51.160 I want to be Dante Ross when I grow up. 2:48:52.120 --> 2:48:53.760 If you're like, yeah, this is our new single, it's 2:48:53.760 --> 2:49:00.720 called Troy, Yes, right, acronym Troy, so you know, uh, 2:49:00.879 --> 2:49:03.480 boss Bill. Any any final thoughts? 2:49:04.720 --> 2:49:07.520 Really, the whole Black Bastard situation kind of stuck in 2:49:07.600 --> 2:49:10.040 my head, like just kind of you know, hearing names 2:49:10.120 --> 2:49:12.959 of people who are kind of voted it down kind 2:49:13.000 --> 2:49:17.920 of made me angry. Sense it made perfect sense, but 2:49:18.040 --> 2:49:19.840 it's still insensed me because of the fact that, you know, 2:49:20.040 --> 2:49:21.680 just learning that they didn't even bother listening to the 2:49:21.680 --> 2:49:24.440 album or to get to get the rationale behind the artwork. 2:49:24.520 --> 2:49:27.720 You know, it's I cannot wait to get on Facebook 2:49:29.200 --> 2:49:32.320 half block about in their defense in the labels defense, 2:49:32.360 --> 2:49:34.080 and I'm being granted this is probably the only time 2:49:34.120 --> 2:49:35.359 I will ever come to defense. 2:49:36.879 --> 2:49:40.880 Get clear in their defense. You know they that's this 2:49:41.200 --> 2:49:44.000 was post cop killer, right right. I understand it, But 2:49:44.120 --> 2:49:46.280 like they wasn't. I mean, you get a letter from 2:49:46.320 --> 2:49:48.400 it was you really get a letter from the government. 2:49:48.520 --> 2:49:50.560 It was a borner too, so yeah, it's the same ship. 2:49:50.560 --> 2:49:51.960 It's like, okay, I can't find me. I got a 2:49:52.040 --> 2:49:53.640 letter from the government for real gun shot. 2:49:53.879 --> 2:49:56.040 I get it, I get it. I get it. Wow. 2:49:56.240 --> 2:49:57.760 But I mean if it hadn't happened, then you know, 2:49:57.840 --> 2:50:00.280 we probably would have never had Mad Villain and yep 2:50:00.680 --> 2:50:05.879 and them food and food and yeah, so I guess 2:50:05.920 --> 2:50:08.280 it all worked out for the best. Yeah, I guess 2:50:08.400 --> 2:50:09.880 I guess it did work out for the best. 2:50:11.480 --> 2:50:16.360 We me having fond Tikela Coleman, Sugar, Steve On, paid 2:50:16.440 --> 2:50:21.800 Bill and Bossville. Uh. This is Quest Love Supreme. Thank you, 2:50:22.640 --> 2:50:27.320 and I'll talk to you all later. 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