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Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: This is QLs Classic and we are going way back

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Speaker 3: back into time. We're going to episode number three with

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Speaker 3: the Great Dante Ross aka Dante the Scrub aka Dante

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Speaker 3: who introduced you to so many acts you can name them.

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Speaker 3: He either an art them or signed them himself. De

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Speaker 3: La Soul, Queen Latifa, Digital Underground, Pete Roxiel, Smooth Brand

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Speaker 3: Nubian name him Calca Paine, name them yes. Dante Ross

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Speaker 3: Damn Nearrow wrote the soundtrack of your Life and he

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Speaker 3: lived it. One of the most incredible humans ever, one

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Speaker 3: of the best lovers of music ever. Dante the Scrub

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Speaker 3: Ross QLs Classic.

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Speaker 2: Let's go too.

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Speaker 4: Suprema Son So, Suprema roll, Calm, Suprema son Son, Suprema

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Speaker 4: role called Suprema some something. Supremo role called Suprema son Son,

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Speaker 4: Suprema roll called.

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Speaker 2: My name is Questlove. Yeah, We'll kimping nubs Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: on it, chilling Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Suprema Son, Suprema roll called Suprema something something, Suprema role called.

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Speaker 5: My name is Fonte. Yeah, fontage low Yeah. Shout out

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Speaker 5: to Chassy Yeah and jiggle.

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Speaker 4: Roll call Supreme, Suprema, roll call, Suprema something, Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 6: My name is Sugar, Yeah, Sugar Steve. Yeah, I keep

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Speaker 6: my kit cats.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Suprema Suprema, roll call Suprema.

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Speaker 2: Something something, Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 8: My name is Bill, Yeah, got here late Yeah, now

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Speaker 8: I'm single.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, needed call.

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Speaker 4: Suprema son son, Suprema, roll called, Suprema son something, Suprema

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Speaker 4: roll called handboss Bill.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm fresh to death.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to that crab. Yeah from Quest Love Chef.

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Speaker 4: Roll call Suprema something something trying to get me, roll

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Speaker 4: call Suprema so something, Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I got.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Suprema Suprema roll call Yeah, Supremo son son, Supremo.

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Speaker 6: Roll call.

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Speaker 2: Some people.

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Speaker 1: How are you welcome to another edition of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say Suprema, but yeah, Quest Love Supreme. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Amir Quest Love Thompson and uh brought

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Speaker 1: a few friends with me. Uh my man a spoon coon, Uh,

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Speaker 1: shorty do wop. I don't know what other titles to

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Speaker 1: call you yet, bro. I got a lot of them, man,

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of them, all right.

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Speaker 2: So what do you tell my al Capua.

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Speaker 5: Sh rolling Stone. Yeah, I'm I'm the Yen to the Yang.

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Speaker 5: I'm the Robbin to the Batman. Yeah, Fontic, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: Jerome to the Morris.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hold the mirror a bro. You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? Well, we both might just be Jellybean

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Speaker 2: and Jesse and not know it. This is true. I

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Speaker 2: kind of think Boss Bill is Mars. I think he

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Speaker 2: could be Prince. Yeah, say, Boss Bill is Prince.

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Speaker 5: He's Prince. He's definitely Prince. He's the he cracks the rip.

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Speaker 10: Let's Grover Washington, the Actor's true.

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Speaker 2: That ship was hilarious. All right, So, uh, front, how's

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Speaker 2: how's the project been going. Everything's going good man, tipular Old.

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Speaker 5: That's the project. Me and my man Eric Robinson is

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Speaker 5: out right now. We've been doing some dates in support

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Speaker 5: of it and everything, and uh yeah, man, it's going

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Speaker 5: real well. I'm just thankful that people like it. Uh

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Speaker 5: And I can pay my bills and feed my chair.

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Speaker 2: You're cheering. That's about it. That's that's the life at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day. That's what life is about.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. I'm thankful man, thankful happy. You're cheering.

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Speaker 1: How's your cheering doing, Steve, I have no cheering. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I know I thought you had some cheerings.

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Speaker 2: No, I have no cheerings. Hows how was life going? Bro? Good?

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Speaker 1: All right, well I believe you as you took the

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Speaker 1: pregnant pause. Now with no children to say good, I'm still.

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Speaker 7: Trying to make the cheddar and so forth though.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, you can't say e R when you say cheddar,

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Speaker 2: just be a at the end. I actually meant cheddar.

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Speaker 2: Steve is actually, uh, maybe maybe we use this platform

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Speaker 2: to help you.

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Speaker 1: Steve has a lifelong obsession with collecting every ct I

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Speaker 1: record that's ever been in existence.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow. Most importantly, you're looking for the CTI CTI

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Speaker 2: it's a not to be confused. Which one of you

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Speaker 2: doesn't know what ct I is? Oh?

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Speaker 8: Okay, and everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: No, but I felt that you were asking facetiously and

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Speaker 2: It's Creed Taylor.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Well that's the famous it's one of his labels.

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Speaker 2: It's a label that you're obsessed with. I am. I

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Speaker 2: think E C M is another one of yours, too, right, CM,

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Speaker 2: I'm still working on.

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Speaker 7: But I think I have pretty much every ct I

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Speaker 7: record at this point except forty five's, which is what

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Speaker 7: Ameers talked anyway. Yeah, I love ct I, Yes, anything Retailer,

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Speaker 7: Kudu A and m us that A first and then

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Speaker 1: Is there is there a particular album that you're looking

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Speaker 1: for that you haven't fought found yet.

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Speaker 2: Or yes, it's called Soul Flutes. Soul Flutes, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: actually have that.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, you said you might have.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually going to my storage in a couple of days.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's one of the forty fives that Quest gave me.

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Speaker 7: Was the Soul Flutes was uh it was Scarborough Fare

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Speaker 7: on the A side and Deo on the B side.

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Speaker 2: I think the album is called trust in Me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: was the name of the band. Yeah, yeah, wow, okay, And.

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Speaker 11: It's like Herbie Hancock on keys and I think Ron

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Speaker 11: Carter is playing on it and he's yeah, every it's.

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Speaker 2: Good to be in a room with people that actually

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Speaker 2: read the liner notes. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's That's the one thing I miss about record culture today,

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Speaker 1: mainly because no one in our in my life particularly

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Speaker 1: knows that I'm connected to a project with uh, William,

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Speaker 1: I forgot. Oh oh, I was about to say William

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Speaker 1: the Driver. No, I I forgot what title we have for?

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Speaker 2: Paid Bill? I'm paid Bill? How you doing bro?

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Speaker 8: Goodbye?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying that people don't read the credits,

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Speaker 1: so they don't know how the Hamilton's soundtrack came to be.

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Speaker 8: So it's true, but people who listen to theater records

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Speaker 2: Not on it's not on streaming services.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they got to figure that out. I think that's

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Speaker 5: the next step in the whole streaming thing. They're getting

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Speaker 5: the lyrics together with the genius. They're kind of working

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Speaker 5: the lyrics out. Credits are still yeah, still, they haven't

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Speaker 1: That's the main reason why I haven't really gone in

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Speaker 1: on credit check because I feel like no one's reading it.

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Speaker 1: And with social media and writing books, I don't feel

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Speaker 1: the need to pepper albums with the album credits as

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Speaker 1: much as I used to.

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Speaker 2: So what's up though, Bill, House House, Life on the street.

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Speaker 8: The streets Westchester, they're beautiful. I meant the street that

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Speaker 8: you work for, Oh, that street, that street's good.

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Speaker 2: The muppets are human to me by the way.

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Speaker 8: I know. I thought i'd just let the world know

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Speaker 8: that where do you work though I work at Sesame Street.

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Speaker 8: I'm the music director Sesame Street. Thank you for asking

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Speaker 8: and h quest love and I met because he because

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Speaker 8: he worked on the Hamilton record, but then he then

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Speaker 8: in turn wrote songs for Sesame Street.

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Speaker 2: I asked you one too many questions about the actual muppets, like.

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Speaker 8: There were real But I also learned later that you

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Speaker 8: watched Sesame Street more than my own children and probably

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Speaker 8: more than most people's children, which I was fully impressed by.

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Speaker 8: And your your Almanaki knowledge encyclopedic knowledge of music is

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Speaker 8: also in sort of the Sesame Street world too, which

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Speaker 8: I envy because often people ask me some deep dark

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Speaker 8: knowledge shit about Sesame Street and I have no idea

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Speaker 8: what they're talking.

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Speaker 1: You guys had crazy breaks, and you know, I just

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Speaker 1: want to rummage through the entire collections.

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Speaker 8: I would see about that the other day that in

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Speaker 8: the same way you're going to your storage set to

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Speaker 8: get the forty five's for Steve, we should go to

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Speaker 8: the Sesame Street storage set and just go back to Yahaha,

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Speaker 8: I know it exists. We could go and do it.

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Speaker 8: I think, Yeah, I truly let you because I.

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Speaker 2: Want the end thing. That was my favorite. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm so mad freaking all right.

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Speaker 1: So in the original like Roots demo, that was like

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Speaker 1: one of the songs that we rhymed over and we

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Speaker 1: break on top of it.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Bird, Bobby drop It on the two. That was

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Speaker 2: that was project Drop It on the two. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Our first demo was the the end credits to Sesame Street,

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Speaker 1: the break that I guess M F. Doom rhymed over

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Speaker 1: uh and uh on the second JBC Force album.

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Speaker 1: They that was the first single where they rhymed over

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Speaker 1: up coming.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, man, it's a heartbreak. It was a heartbreak. Man,

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Speaker 2: Boss Bill, what's up? How's life?

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Speaker 11: When you're not bossing me around? When am I not

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Speaker 11: bossing you around? I was like, man, life's great. Man,

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Speaker 11: I got somebody to boss around now and and and

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Speaker 11: and Boss Bill. He's he's very effective. I will say,

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Speaker 11: that's why he's here. Nah, he's very undisciplined.

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Speaker 2: I'm very unfocused, you know, I look I'm Ronald McDonald

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Speaker 2: and Boss Bill is.

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Speaker 8: The hamber ray Crop.

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Speaker 2: Wait, how do you know ray Croft? Everybody knows who. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know ray Crop, ray Crock, ray Kroc. He

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Speaker 2: was the alder inventor of McDonald's. He was the guy.

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Speaker 2: How do you know the history of McDonald's.

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Speaker 11: I've known that since I was a kid. I think

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Speaker 11: I did too.

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Speaker 2: I read it in a book and you can just

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Speaker 2: go and jump on that unpaid bill.

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, I'm pretty sure. Like there's a plaque

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Speaker 8: if you go to McDonald's that has him on it

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Speaker 8: that says, actually, I think I think there's I actually

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Speaker 8: knew that. I didn't know what ct I was, but

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Speaker 8: I knew about that ship.

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel horrible that I didn't know that. You know,

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Speaker 2: all the weight that I put on over the years. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was the one.

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Speaker 5: He was famous for the quote, I'm not in the

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Speaker 5: people think I'm in the said, people think I'm in

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Speaker 5: the hamburger business.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the real estate business. That was his. That

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Speaker 5: He write a book, he did. I read parts of it.

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Speaker 5: It was I mean, this was it was a long

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Speaker 5: time ago, but but yeah, he was dropping some real

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Speaker 2: He was on some pip shit.

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Speaker 5: He basically was like, look like they talk about how

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Speaker 8: I'm looking at you quote them? Wow, they are all

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Speaker 1: So that's from seventy seven to eighty two. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Left Supreme font Ticcolo, Sugar, Steve, Unpaid, Bill Boss, Bill Welcoming,

436
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: Doctor Renaissance himself give it up for Dante Ross ladies

437
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: and gentlemen.

438
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what up? What up?

439
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: Dante? I have so many frequent questions right now.

440
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 6: Man, you know it's scary.

441
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm like, dude, you if I mean, everyone always

442
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: has this like, oh the soundtrack of my life.

443
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: But I mean you you're like one of the unsung

444
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: heroes of the Renaissance period of hip hop, like you

445
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 2: were there to witness a lot of his historical firsts.

446
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try to come off like a professional

447
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: journalist that I am and not not just a fan. Well, first,

448
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: I got to know about your beginnings, Like where did

449
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: you come from?

450
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: So?

451
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 6: I was born in San Francisco, California. I moved here

452
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 6: when I was two, and I grew up on the

453
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 6: Lower East Side of Manhattan. My mother was a school teacher,

454
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 6: and I grew up on Ninth Street and Avenue B

455
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 6: and then Second Street and Avenue B.

456
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: So you were in the period of New York when

457
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: that part wasn't even Gingrified.

458
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 6: Or Spanish was the language of my blood?

459
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: Really, Oh wow, that's when it was alphabet city.

460
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 6: I grew up in almost entirely Puerto Rican neighborhood, so.

461
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: A lot of us.

462
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: Would you know, there was a period where I just

463
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: thought a lot of the important white players of classic

464
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: hip hop, I just thought you all were Puerto Rican

465
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: because in my mind I couldn't even conceive, like I

466
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: thought the Beastie Boys are Puerto Rican.

467
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 6: I mean I wanted to be Puerto Rican. I couldn't

468
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 6: wait to grow a mustache. My boys called me Serto

469
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 6: Rican growing up, which was better than jew who the

470
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 6: other one they called me?

471
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: Ah? Wait these two?

472
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 6: Like I definitely was. I passed for a Puerto Rican

473
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 6: whenever possible as a job.

474
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: So when, so, how did music enter your life?

475
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 6: I mean music was always in my house. My mom

476
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 6: loved music. She loves soul music like she loved Otis

477
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 6: Redding and Bill Withers, Aretha Franklin. And she also liked

478
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 6: singer songwriter stuff like Neil Young and Bob Dylan. And

479
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 6: my pops is a he's an old like jazz dude,

480
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 6: so he was like always into jazz. And I grew

481
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 6: up up the block from a famous jazz drummer named

482
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 6: Ed Blackwell, Okay, and he played with with uh or

483
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 6: Nette Coleman and a ton of people. And I was

484
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 6: in his house a lot, and I was just always

485
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 6: around music. Like I remember going with him and his

486
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 6: family even though, to Hero and Net andam Jam when

487
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 6: I was like eight nine years old, so you know,

488
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 6: and I lived on top of a social club and

489
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 6: my bedroom was right on top of the jew box

490
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 6: and they were playing stott Listics and dramatics everything that

491
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 6: was popping back then.

492
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: At Edward de.

493
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 6: Vaughan and Superfly. I went to see it when I

494
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 6: was nine or ten. My sister's boyfriend took me. And

495
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 6: I just was always around music. We had block parties

496
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 6: on my block, so I loved disco and all that

497
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 6: kind of music when I was young, and I just

498
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 6: grew up around it. It was always I'm the president

499
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 6: in every environment I was in as a child.

500
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: So was it to the point where you felt like

501
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: this is a career or just like it just happened

502
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: to be around?

503
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 6: Definitely not. I had no idea, but I did. I

504
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 6: always like read the back of record covers, and I

505
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 6: always wanted to know like Steve Cropper was, so I

506
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 6: was like, who's that Who's that guy? And Who's who's

507
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 6: Jerry Wexler, And I always wanted to know who people were.

508
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 6: You know who's this guy and that guy. Was just

509
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 6: fascinated by by the names, like I wanted to know

510
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 6: who the guys were who weren't the artist. And I

511
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 6: had a family friend, Joel Brodsky. He's a famous photographer

512
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: and he shot the Isaac Caye's movement album covers. He

513
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 6: shot all the stacked stuff. And because being around Joel

514
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 6: and he's coming to graff materia, I saw a lot

515
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 6: of the imagery he shot, like Funkadelic records and all

516
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 6: this stuff. So I was always into it. My sister's

517
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 6: eight years older than me too, and she was a

518
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 6: music head, so I always played her records whenever she

519
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 6: was jamming. So I basically got into See my sister

520
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 6: was madhood, true, she was like super hood when we

521
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 6: were growing up.

522
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Trickled down, well oftentimes I noticed that people that, especially

523
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: in music is today, a lot of it is trickled

524
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: down from.

525
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: Older cousins, older siblings. So are you the youngest of

526
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: your brood.

527
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 6: Or well, well, I have a younger sister, but I

528
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 6: wasn't raised with my half sister, So yeah, I am,

529
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 6: and I.

530
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Am asking what year were you born?

531
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 6: Nineteen sixty five?

532
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And I.

533
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 6: Inherited my sister's record collection and much later on, like

534
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 6: Joel gave me a lot of his records as well,

535
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 6: so and I got my mom's records. I was a

536
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 6: lot of the records that I had came from my family,

537
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 6: you know that I still even have. And so I

538
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 6: was always like aware of records like just Begun and

539
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 6: Solamcosa and all those records. I listened to him as

540
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 6: a kid. I knew them all.

541
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: So, so did you know about it from just having

542
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: it or just from a hip hop perspective?

543
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: Now?

544
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 6: I knew from having it, And because they had block

545
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 6: parties in my neighborhood and they'd always play those kind

546
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 6: of records just be Gone for sure, and stuff like

547
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 6: Funky Penguin and all those kind of records got played.

548
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 6: So you know, people were in the street dancing, and

549
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 6: it was just the music around me as a child.

550
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: Do you remember the first album you purchased?

551
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 6: Definitely Jackson five Christmas album.

552
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: Wow Crying Crying? Yeah, I used to. My parents used

553
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: to make me perform that, uh, that Jermaine skit. Do

554
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: you have it?

555
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 5: The Christmas album? I do not have the Christmas album.

556
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 5: My Christmas album was the James Bryan Christmas album.

557
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 6: I mean I was a Jackson five fanatic.

558
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 5: The Welfare one, Yeah, James, I was coming to the girl.

559
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: That No, but there's one song where like James is

560
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: talking about like he's so down on his luck that

561
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: he even went to the welfare and couldn't find Santa Claus. Yeah,

562
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: that was my ers album. That one spoke to my reality.

563
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 6: I was a Jackson five fanatic. I bought all the

564
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 6: forty five's ABC Want You Back at Bates Record Store

565
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 6: on Delancey Street. My sister would take megget my line.

566
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 6: I about forty five almost every week.

567
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: How much were forty five back?

568
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 6: Seventy five cents?

569
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ? Wow, So just a record, the weekend record

570
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: a week. That's amazing.

571
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 6: I bought all the hits any you know Casey in

572
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 6: the Sunshine Band, sos or not.

573
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 5: So.

574
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 6: I spent on sending U so os, the Huges Corporation, right,

575
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 6: all those records, you know, I bought all George mcraig,

576
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 6: you know, whatever was popping right then, you know, whatever

577
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 6: was out, I bought whatever was on the radio. I

578
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 6: went and bought them.

579
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: So that's that's probably the mom and pop record store.

580
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: To me, like the local mom and pop record store

581
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: is like the one.

582
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Element that I remember.

583
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 6: The first rock record I ever bought was Queen Boheman Rhapsody.

584
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 6: I heard it on the radio. I lost my mind.

585
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 6: I couldn't I couldn't comprehend what it was. And I

586
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 6: listened to radio all day till they played it again,

587
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 6: and then I went and bought it a couple of

588
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 6: days later.

589
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: So did you record songs off the radio? Did before?

590
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: Lining line out right there up against the speaker. Yeah,

591
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: you used to do that with soul Train used to

592
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: put the tap on audio records.

593
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 6: So yeah, I wasn't that technically advanced that I was

594
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 6: in savvy?

595
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

596
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 6: Well we used to have soul trained parties too. Of

597
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 6: my friend William Dickerson's house down the block. Sultry will

598
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 6: come on a wheel and his mom would have a

599
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 6: soul train line.

600
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Wow. Really Yeah?

601
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 6: Yeah. I grew up on a block there was like

602
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 6: seven Puerto Rican kids, two black kids and me.

603
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: So you were just alone, just like same street it

604
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: was McDonald no, So you were just a lone white kid. Yeah.

605
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 6: Man, it was all good though.

606
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Did they hesitate to remind you of that every time

607
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought my middle name was white boy.

608
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 6: So I was about fifteen, and.

609
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: There was always there was always like one cool white

610
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: boy like on the block though, like even it's pretty

611
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: much white John was was a kid on in southwest Field.

612
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 6: It's usually white Mike. Usually if you had a white mic.

613
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: Now, did you have to overcompensate because Chappelle hilariously says

614
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: that whenever you see the one lone white guy hated,

615
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: had you know, telling what he did to get their respect?

616
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 5: You could apply that to like light skinned black people too,

617
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 5: like all the revolutionary lights, like they be the hardest.

618
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: Most revolutionary. Yeah, Huey Newton was.

619
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, besides Marcus Garvey and Martin Luther King, every revolutionary

620
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: we had was light skinned.

621
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 6: Like in the seventies in New York, people just taking

622
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 6: your ship. You were just people was getting robbed like

623
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 6: you just got taken all the time if you didn't

624
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 6: step up. So you know, just had to be strengthen numbers,

625
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 6: and you had.

626
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: To be you didn't have an older brother or older cousin.

627
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: I had an older cousin. He was a dopian, so

628
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 6: he wasn't helping all.

629
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: So you didn't have the luxury of him.

630
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: Not.

631
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 6: My sister went out this big black cat named Sam

632
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 6: Lewis and sam it down Samwich like I have respect

633
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 6: from Sam.

634
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one thing.

635
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: You never wanted to hear it on the playground, which

636
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna get my.

637
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: Up like call it in the cavalry.

638
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 6: I was a good athlete as a kid too, so

639
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 6: I always like had some death because of that. I

640
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 6: played at the boys club and I played basketball, baseball.

641
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 6: I was like a real jock when I was young,

642
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 6: so you know, I always got a pass because of that.

643
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: All right, So as you got older, I mean, how

644
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: did I know that black parties were always you know,

645
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: in your life as you said, But I mean, did

646
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: they have him Sez there or it was just it.

647
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 6: Was pre EMCs there was. It was really pre rap.

648
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 6: Rap wasn't on the map yet. And I remember, I

649
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 6: think I was in sixth grade when I first heard

650
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 6: rap and it was it was a sugar Hill gang.

651
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 6: And my friend Columbus van Horn told me that that

652
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 6: was that there was this dual grand Master Flash and

653
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 6: he got me a tape. It was in seventh or

654
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 6: sixth grade, and he lent me a tape, and that

655
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 6: tape was it was one of the flash shapes, I

656
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 6: think it was fifty beats, one of those, and had

657
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 6: birthday party on it. I remember that clearly, and I

658
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 6: used to just listen to it all the time. I

659
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 6: didn't want to give back his tape and finally had

660
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 6: to give it back to him because I didn't have

661
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: a tape to tape back then. I don't I don't

662
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 6: know if they were invented yet, but that's when I

663
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 6: really started to be enamored by what was becoming rap

664
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 6: and and kind of saw that there was something beyond

665
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: just that.

666
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: Sugar Hill record really yeah.

667
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 6: And then and then I heard led Zeppelin and and

668
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 6: all that shit, and I kind of like lost interest,

669
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 6: you know, because it was it was uptown. It was like,

670
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 6: you know, when sugar Hill came out, that was like

671
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 6: a novelty hit that wasn't like it. There wasn't a

672
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 6: lifestyle attached to it yet, at least where I lived, Like,

673
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 6: we didn't know about that really.

674
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: So there was a period in which you were going

675
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 2: to just not go straight rock, but you discovered the Yeah.

676
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 6: And I also like funk. I was really in the

677
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 6: funk too. I was into like Brothers Johnson and stuff

678
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 6: like that, Like I like Parliament, Brother Johnson, all that

679
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 6: stuff that was out at that time, because funk was

680
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 6: kind of like it was the middle ground, you know.

681
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 6: It wasn't like it was it was kind of half rock.

682
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 6: It was just kind of what you listened to back then.

683
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: Funk was popping, and you weren't a DJ or had

684
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: aspirations to be one.

685
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: No, you just happen to know a lot of information

686
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: about records.

687
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 6: I know a lot about records. I always collected records.

688
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: So that that must have been amazing too. At least

689
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: there was a point where it was a novelty for

690
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: a white person to know a lot about black music,

691
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: you think, at least around my way, Like I remember

692
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: being pressed with this kid, uh, I think Danny Digatanio.

693
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: I forget his last name, but he knew he knew no, no, no,

694
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: but he knew.

695
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 6: Don't mess with my man, Columbus. If you call Columbus Columbus,

696
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 6: he'd be like, yo, my name is Jackie.

697
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: But he knew T Connections is like groove to get down,

698
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: like something that was so obscure and so breakbeat black

699
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: that I was like, Wow, you you really know your records.

700
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 6: I mean we used to roller disco when we were young,

701
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 6: like so that was also like you know, all those

702
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 6: records were records we were rocking with, so you know,

703
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: like Slave, Touch of Love, all the roller disco jams.

704
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: So when you became a professional?

705
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 6: Am I a professional? Has opened to debate?

706
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: Man, Well how did how did you? Was def Jam

707
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: your first label or like did you yeah?

708
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, Actually the myth is I worked at Depth Jam.

709
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 6: I actually worked at Rush Productions. Then there was a

710
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 6: difference that not really there was like well like if

711
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 6: you worked at Rush you got Lere's lunch. If you

712
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 6: worked at Depth Jam, you got Russells.

713
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: So what's the difference between Well yeah, I mean both

714
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: both logos held holy for anybody that was rushtown. Man,

715
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: So what was the difference between the two worlds?

716
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 6: About what I just said? Lee Or is meaner than Russell?

717
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: Really?

718
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 6: Oh yeah? Please still even when he was younger, he

719
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 6: was a meaner than he's nice. Now we are so gentle. Now, yeah,

720
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 6: he's a nice I mean, I love Leor even when

721
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 6: he was mean Leor like that, Lear might not have

722
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 6: a life, So I love Leor he's he's my that's

723
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 6: my Rabbi.

724
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: All right, so leor uh can I can I do

725
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: I have a liberty to say that Lear effectively replaced

726
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: Rick Rubin.

727
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say that there was there was. There was

728
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 6: a lot of there.

729
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: Was Lear even at def Jam when Rick Rubin was

730
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: at the Helm. Not really so Rick and Rick never

731
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: went to the office.

732
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 6: And and once Rick realized how important he was, he

733
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 6: he wasn't around a lot, and he wanted to make

734
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 6: rock records and and really the Beastie Boys and everything

735
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 6: that happened licensed to ill was the divide between Rick

736
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 6: and Lee. Or that's really when it all happened.

737
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So to update the those that are listening, Uh.

738
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: Of course, deft Jam is probably believe the most important

739
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: hip hop one hundred.

740
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 6: It's also the first label or hip hop empty that

741
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 6: was cognizant that cool white people were an active and

742
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 6: participant and monetizable audience in rap music. And Russell's the

743
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 6: first guy to see that. You know. That's why he's

744
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 6: so smart. He realized he could sell run DMC to

745
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 6: white America, that he could sell rap music to the

746
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 6: middle of the country.

747
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: I always wanted to know why he wouldn't put run

748
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: DMC on Deaf Cham and he already signed a profile profile.

749
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: They lost the contract that Yeah, they tried.

750
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 6: They tried and and and those guys, you know.

751
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: They lost years over that.

752
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 6: They lost three years, kind of ruined their career.

753
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: That was because it gives that gap between and back

754
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 5: from no, no what back mail. It was uh, raising

755
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 5: hell and tougher than leather. It was those years, hundred percent.

756
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: That's when the ain't changed.

757
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 5: Even in the book, the Run book, they talk about

758
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: it because at the time when that came out, they

759
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 5: were dated.

760
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: They were done.

761
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 5: They were like he said, DMC, he said, he knew

762
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 5: it was over when I think I guess the tumble

763
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 5: Leather came out and they were listening to Nation and

764
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 5: millions and they just liked.

765
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 2: Percent right, Yeah, I mean yeah.

766
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 6: They wanted to get him off there, and Corey Robbins

767
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 6: and c plot Nikki they had him, They had them

768
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 6: hemmed up. They couldn't get him off the label. But

769
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 6: but my my working at Deaf to him, like I so,

770
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 6: I grew up kind of with the Beastie boys. I

771
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 6: know him since junior high school and were all in

772
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 6: the punk rock and then hip hop came along and

773
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 6: we all got swept up in that. That was that

774
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 6: kind of took our lives. So it was really run DMC.

775
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 6: That was a band we heard and they sounded so

776
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 6: punk rock, like they were so abrasive and and it

777
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 6: was like they dressed like the audience. They didn't dress

778
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 6: like a Brokereick James. So so we were like, Yo,

779
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 6: this is the craziest shit ever. And that that was

780
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 6: really what like, that's hooked us for life, That's what

781
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 6: it was.

782
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, cats have to know that. You know, early hip

783
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: hop was just mirroring and p funk was still a thing,

784
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: so you know, I mean people in Africa, Membata and

785
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: then were trying to emulate the crazy d yeah fire

786
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: ship exactly.

787
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: If anything, Run DMC was. They were what Nirvana did

788
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: to metal bands in ninety one.

789
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 6: They change, and it happened to run DMC.

790
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 11: Yeah.

791
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 6: Cats, you know, Cat showed them the door, you know.

792
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: Because they stopped because cats stopped, hollering stopped. It was

793
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: intricate and you know that was it every five years.

794
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, but back to Leoris so okay, so Leor

795
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: what was his position was, I.

796
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 6: Mean it was the president of Rush Productions a rush

797
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 6: Town management.

798
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so he was did he hire you?

799
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 6: So I got hired? This is the craziest. So I

800
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 6: got hired because my friends showing caras off rust in

801
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 6: Peace aka the Cat, and he roll managed the Beasties.

802
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 6: He was like my best friend and uh he plugged

803
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 6: me with the job. Ricky Powell went on tour with

804
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 6: the Beasties. I stayed and my lady wouldn't let me

805
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 6: go into I had a girlfriend at the time when

806
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 6: I lived with him. She was like, no way, you're

807
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 6: going on tour with those guys.

808
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: I could imagine because I met Ricky Powell in his

809
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: later years. Ricky Powell was like, well by then he

810
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: was there there. Uh, I'm about to say yes. Well,

811
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: they called him the trim coordinator. Dave Skill can rest

812
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: in Peace still was the trim coordinator. You're right, and Dave.

813
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 6: Dave was the coolest cat ever. Dave and Ricky were

814
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 6: like there, you know, I love Ricky, but Dave was

815
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 6: infinitely cool than Ricky could ever be.

816
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: I met.

817
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 6: It was they've had game for days.

818
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess I met the Beastie boys in there.

819
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: Like responsible Buddhists.

820
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: You met him in the Dalai Lama year.

821
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Vegan stage, and they were all responsible and

822
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: respectable and everything, and I was looking for were like

823
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: the beer cans and the Phallan symbol and.

824
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 6: That's what house the pain in them told me too.

825
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 6: They wanted tour the Beastie Boys and they wanted to

826
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 6: like where's exploding Dick. Yeah, they were like, yo, what

827
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 6: do you mean, Like, you guys don't go out and

828
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: get drunk and be people like you don't go craze.

829
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: So by that point, yeah, he he was taking photos.

830
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: He was taking a lot of photos.

831
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 6: He was also, uh, he was being nefarious. I'll leave

832
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 6: it at that, But I mean I.

833
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: Could imagine how crazy Ricky Powell was during that license.

834
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: So you went on license ill tour.

835
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 6: I was on the first leg and then I came home.

836
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that?

837
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 12: Like?

838
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: What was that like?

839
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 6: It was a little whild man. I remember I went

840
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 6: to La with with Eric Is, a graphic designer, and

841
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 6: we hey, we ran around with them dudes, and we

842
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 6: got them a skateboard deal that never came out. And

843
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 6: that was like the first thing I ever did in

844
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 6: the business when I first got a job. And I

845
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 6: guess I'd hit a home run and they let me

846
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 6: hang out for a while, and then I went home

847
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 6: and stole Ricky Palell's job. Basically, Sean was like, yeah,

848
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 6: Dante should do it, and I was off ae flunky

849
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 6: and uh. But I went out every night. I went

850
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 6: to night clubs every night, and I started to hang

851
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 6: out with Russell a lot and all those guys. They

852
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 6: took me out and and it always asked me what

853
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 6: records were the records, like what's popping up here? What's

854
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 6: I'll go to Latin quarters spots they weren't going to,

855
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 6: and they always want to pick my brain. And I

856
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 6: realized like, hey, I might know something. I might maybe

857
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 6: be an A and R guy. And Bill Stephanie aka

858
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 6: Mister Bill wanted to hire me as an A and

859
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 6: R guy, and they didn't give me the job, but

860
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 6: he always was like, yo, I want to hire you.

861
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 6: He always told me you you really know music. And

862
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 6: he was like one of the first guys who really

863
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 6: let me know, and and and and the guy Chuck

864
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 6: D two. Chuck D and me would rap about music forever.

865
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 6: So so I give a lot of props to Chuck

866
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 6: D two.

867
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: Bill work at def JAMPI did he was.

868
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 6: I think he was. I think President Biller was a publisher, Yeah,

869
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 6: I think I think he might have been a president

870
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 6: of Bill Stephanie, mister Bill.

871
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: And he grew up a public enemy. Wow. So just

872
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: during that period, like what I mean, I mean it

873
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: was me.

874
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 6: Faith Newman, Bill Stephanie, Bill Adler, Hank Chocolb. You all

875
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 6: worked in the office for your Cohen and like you

876
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 6: never knew who was coming in office. Run came in

877
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 6: one day and yelled at l like it was just wild.

878
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 6: Like it was like there was antics going around. And

879
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 6: I became friends with jam Master J. I used to

880
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 6: play ball with J a lot because I was like

881
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 6: I was really into playing basketball back then.

882
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: Were you official? Did you have a first edition Deaf

883
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: jam jacket?

884
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 6: I did. I had a Burgundy jacket for sure.

885
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: So did that mean everything?

886
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 6: That meant you could get into any club for free

887
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 6: and definitely meant that chicks were checking for you. So

888
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 6: in the coincide, I was in the Stuicy Ad back

889
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 6: then too. So between those two things, between those two things,

890
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 6: it was like I was like nineteen twenty years old,

891
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 6: you know, I could do a lot of things. I

892
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 6: was brand named below Fourteenth Street.

893
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: So you mentioned the Latin Quarter, Latin Quarters, was I

894
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: I've never heard a club more name dropped in acid

895
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: hip hop.

896
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 6: I mean, because that's where the changing the guard comes from,

897
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 6: That's where that next wave came to.

898
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Can you tell me what a typical night was in

899
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: the Latin Quarter?

900
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 6: Typical night of the Latin Quarters was?

901
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: What night was it?

902
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 6: It was? It was Friday? Was the night you wanted

903
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 6: to go so red alert DJ and and it was

904
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 6: always Brooklyn violator beef that was always possible to jump off.

905
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 6: So he said beef beef, like serious beef, like for real,

906
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 6: real live beef. Because when you went to rap shows

907
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 6: back then, it was dangerous like and and and you

908
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 6: didn't care. I mean, I didn't have nothing to take.

909
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 6: What do you can take my deaf jam backet? No,

910
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 6: I didn't have. No, I had thirty six dollars.

911
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: Man. So someone would come in profiling light with a

912
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: bunch of slick ricked gold on they.

913
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 6: Were taking your ship? Was it for Green Mission Posse?

914
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 6: All the dudes on the back of Eric's album, they

915
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 6: might grab your ship or some other people, but the

916
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 6: A Team Cane's people, you know there was. There was

917
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 6: a lot of people out there who were doing a

918
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 6: lot of things, and I was friends with Red, so

919
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 6: so I had to pass. I didn't have to check

920
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 6: my coat. I could go upstairs hang out with Red.

921
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 6: That's how I met I met, That's I met d Nice.

922
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 6: I knew karras one back then. Search is the only

923
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 6: other white dude I've ever seen that. Oh and Dave

924
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 6: Funk and Klein Rest in Peace. You know it was

925
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 6: it was a wild environment, but uh, you know, you'd

926
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 6: see like a great act might to justice and Kara

927
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 6: rest would come out. I seen Dougie battle Bismarcky on

928
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 6: the beat box at the anniversary and Dougie pulled out

929
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 6: the harmonica and slayed biz what played a harmonic MV

930
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 6: Bucks at the same time and did the cool ast

931
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 6: Dougie dance and he was just I mean, doug to

932
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 6: me is the greatest student. Didn't have the biggest record ever,

933
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 6: because he was the best performer pretty much. I mean,

934
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 6: he was amazing. I said MC lights for a show.

935
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 6: I seen Kane DJ for Schante. He was he was

936
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 6: the DJ back then. He was DJ for everybody before

937
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 6: he was an artist and my friend, my friend Key.

938
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 6: Oh he's another white guy, but he's he was so

939
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 6: extra extra.

940
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: Uh.

941
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 6: My man Blake Latham, he told me that Kane was

942
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 6: the best rapper in Brooklyn, and I wanted to bring

943
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 6: Kane in the office and and Russell and said, noah,

944
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 6: he's fucking with flat tying them and we can't steal

945
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 6: artists because we're doing their deal at Warner Brothers. I

946
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 6: remember that Chris Rocky used to do comedy up there.

947
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 6: I mean it was you know, Carris, one of.

948
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: Them, and it was just club like how many people.

949
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 6: Maybe a thousand people, not even maybe No, forty six

950
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 6: Street right right there, right there it was. It was

951
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 6: you know what's stairs? It was Heather Hunter was the

952
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 6: co check girl.

953
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: What's the soul food? What's the soul food spot on

954
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: forty fifth Uh.

955
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Popeys Virgils.

956
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: Ye, that is the Latin Quarter. No, well, at least

957
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: across the street. The hotel That's.

958
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 6: Quarter was on Broadway. It was right on the block

959
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 6: between Broadway and Seventh. It's not there anymore. It's a

960
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 6: parking lot now in a big building. It's been torn down.

961
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: So it's not on forty sixth Street or forty fifth,

962
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: forty six.

963
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 6: It's not there anymore. Popey's was right across the street.

964
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 6: McDonald's was.

965
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: I remember where the oh guys in bad that. I

966
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: remember where the Popeyes is.

967
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 6: So I saw Salt and Pepper. I've seen Sandy get

968
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 6: a chain take it right in front of Popeyes. It

969
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, that's a nice thing. Bang Is that

970
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 6: just typical?

971
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: Like that was how it was.

972
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you know who I knew back then,

973
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 6: Clark Kent. That was my man from back then. He

974
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 6: was always the coolest cat. He was cool back then.

975
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: Love Clark. He got me my deal with Nike.

976
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 6: That's my big guy, Clark, that's my brother.

977
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: So you would go there just on the weekend, I know.

978
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 6: Every Friday. Every Friday for about a year, I go

979
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 6: to Latin Quarters and it was just a wild spot.

980
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: Other spots to this.

981
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 6: Red Parrot was was popping on fifty seven occasionally that

982
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 6: that became the Copa. Then there was downtown parties like Payday,

983
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 6: Milky Way.

984
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: Man.

985
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 6: I mean I went to like I went everywhere. Man,

986
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 6: I went to the rooftop, I want to everything, you know.

987
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 6: I went to skate Key.

988
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: So was there a difference between the Harlem parties and

989
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: the oh hell yeah, So what's a rooftop party. What's

990
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: the difference between I mean cars one go to Harlem and.

991
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 6: Of course he would he would kill it. I mean

992
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 6: the rooftop was like, for one hundred percent, I'm the

993
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 6: only white guy there. And downtown parties, you know, they

994
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 6: had much hotter girls, less threat of violence.

995
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: You know, the rooftop was more.

996
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: Quarters. No, Quarters was the most violent because dudes from

997
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 6: Brooklyn went go to the rooftop right because they didn't

998
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 6: check your coder to get in or anything to check

999
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 6: your coat everywhere, except if you knew people at the quarters,

1000
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 6: you have to check your coat. So if you came,

1001
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 6: if you came with red alert, you don't have to

1002
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 6: check your coat. Ah, depending who you came in the

1003
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 6: door with. So you know it was hierarchy. So this

1004
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 6: guy rend the land Quarter's name is Mike, Mike Goldberg.

1005
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 6: He was a Jewish guy. He'd be at the door

1006
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 6: count he'd be at the door and he would all

1007
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 6: and this dude pee we got killed was the bouncer

1008
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 6: in this dude house. And I knew them all. They

1009
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 6: would all be like, oh you're good. Who you with like,

1010
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 6: come on, you're good. So I got to know them all, sure,

1011
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 6: so much history and quarters were I saw everybody. That's

1012
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 6: where everyone came from. Though karras One came Bismarcky Jewish

1013
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 6: crew rock him everybody.

1014
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: All right? Can I ask you? Have you seen somebody.

1015
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: Not make a good impression on the Latin Quarter club

1016
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: that otherwise?

1017
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 6: Because hammer, wow, wait a minute, new music seminar formed

1018
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 6: at the Latin Quarter in the New Music Seminar when

1019
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 6: the Quarters wasn't even a spot no more, and he

1020
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 6: didn't rock. I mean you, is this the chronological orders bad?

1021
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 6: But I know Grand Pooball was there too because we

1022
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 6: were laughing.

1023
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 11: So would this would possibly be the incident that's being

1024
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 11: referred to at the of the turn this mother out video.

1025
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: You ain't hting a new hitting shout? Okay? So that

1026
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: was eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty.

1027
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 6: Eighty eight because Cors was on the way down.

1028
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: Wow, because this album was eighty eighty seven. So in

1029
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: my in my head, I'm thinking like you're speaking of

1030
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine to ninety, so you's saying

1031
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 2: that it was on the decline even in eighty eight

1032
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: eighty eight.

1033
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 6: It was, it was on it. It was starting to

1034
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 6: be a little too violent. Little it just wasn't popping

1035
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 6: like it was because you could go to downtown on

1036
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 6: parties and it wasn't as violent, right, and there was

1037
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 6: more girls.

1038
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: All right. So a nerd like myself, where would I go?

1039
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 6: What year.

1040
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: Eighty nine? Now? Mind you if.

1041
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 6: You might go to Nels or you might go to

1042
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 6: to Milky Way, depending what you want to do.

1043
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: McDonald all right, So should we get into block of

1044
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: music before we start talking about his life? As in

1045
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: r Yo man I I gotta geek out just on

1046
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: on hipp hop folklore. This is Dante Ross on Quest

1047
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: Love Supreme only on Pandora. I guess we're gonna go

1048
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: into uh some st fifty stimulating what is stimulated dummies?

1049
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 6: Give us a name because he was like, yeall some

1050
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 6: stimulated dummies. When we were working with l O. N.

1051
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 6: S way back, who were the stimulated dumb was me,

1052
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 6: my partner John Gamble, and my partner GiB did John

1053
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 6: and uh we all had various roles at different times.

1054
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 6: John was the engineer, me and GiB You war the diggers.

1055
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible.

1056
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 13: Three strikes the fop dous three strikes, the fove thousand three.

1057
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: Strikes, the FOP thousand three.

1058
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 13: Strikes, the five douts three strikes, the five thousand three strikes,

1059
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 13: the FOP thousand three strikes, the FOP thousand man starting

1060
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 13: FOP thoutans ritchy written.

1061
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: So that was three strikes, five thousand third base on

1062
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: Quest Love Supreme, produced by our guest Dante Ross and

1063
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: the Stimulated Dummies that' Steve fifties. So I guess we

1064
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: should start.

1065
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 6: You know what those drums are?

1066
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: Right? Uh M?

1067
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 6: I just capt a clean copy of the forty five

1068
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 6: again too?

1069
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: What is it?

1070
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 6: Super Fine from behind Woman by the Cleveland Wrecking Crew.

1071
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: Wow, I never guess that.

1072
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 6: I was a large the other day and I was like,

1073
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 6: you got this?

1074
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: He was like, damn, so you're still digging.

1075
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 6: I still dig for forty five is larger than Diamond

1076
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 6: got me back into it recently.

1077
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I've running around again.

1078
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 6: The large bro is like he just he took me back.

1079
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1080
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: I thought I was out the game of digging, and

1081
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: then I saw Diamond cutting, Diamond cutting, uh these records

1082
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: on YouTube forty five and then like and then it

1083
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: pulled me right back into it.

1084
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 6: Like he was cutting the booker t he was killing it.

1085
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: I want to get out. I literally wanted to get

1086
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: out the game of digging. And now it's calling me.

1087
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 6: It's I'm just on the forty fives.

1088
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, same here, like I'm only collecting forty fives now?

1089
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: And is it because we're bored or we just called

1090
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: we're bored?

1091
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 6: I bought every sneaker. I don't need any more. Jordan's

1092
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 6: got a house.

1093
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: What am I going to do?

1094
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 5: So?

1095
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: How did you become an R? Was it by designer? Just?

1096
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 4: Nah?

1097
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 6: It was the fault man. I was just I knew

1098
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 6: music and I was always around and and uh daddy

1099
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 6: O from stettsosnic He loved me. That's that's my og.

1100
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 6: And he they offered him a job at Tommy Boy

1101
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 6: and he plugged me in and he was like, I

1102
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 6: don't want to do it, but my little homie right here.

1103
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 6: And I went to meet Monica and she liked me

1104
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 6: and I had a second interview. She played me De

1105
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 6: La Soul's demo and I lost my mind and she

1106
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 6: hired me A couple of days later. This Monica Lynch, yep,

1107
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 6: Monica Lynch was also She's like one of my mentors.

1108
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 6: She's one of the smartest people and the most intense

1109
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 6: people I've ever worked with. She's a wonderful person.

1110
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: So well, not what was it like working at Tommy Boy.

1111
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 6: Tommy Boy was wild?

1112
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: That was.

1113
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 6: Man, That was a wild job.

1114
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: Man.

1115
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 6: I was a wild kid back then too. It was

1116
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 6: like a whole different life.

1117
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: The one thing that post told me that blew my mind.

1118
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 6: I'm scared right now.

1119
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 2: The one thing that posted news told me that blew

1120
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: my mind about making.

1121
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: Three feet High and Rising was the fact that they

1122
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: made that entire record for about twenty five thousand dollars,

1123
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: which if you know what record budgets are, I mean,

1124
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: even in the height of over indulgent recording budget.

1125
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 2: Figures. Let's let's pick it, let's say nineteen ninety four.

1126
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: If you're successful.

1127
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: R and B act I know that in Vogue was

1128
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: I think that the second budget for their budget for

1129
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: Funky Devers was like in the area of two million,

1130
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: whereas you know, a cat like Michael Jackson, you know,

1131
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm certain that his budget was closer to ten million

1132
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: for like even a compilation like History History.

1133
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: But somebody had to pay for that statue.

1134
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 6: That's a lot of animals.

1135
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but how in God's name were these budgets? Being like,

1136
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: that's the first thing I would ask. I mean, one

1137
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: of my favorites about like what were the recording budgets?

1138
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Like cnipers Hill told me like, well, we had a

1139
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: good budget ninety thousand, and I'm like what.

1140
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 6: Yep, how I mean? People were just so happy to

1141
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 6: get on, you know what I mean, And studio time

1142
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 6: was cheap. And the crazy thing about Daylave is they

1143
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 6: made most of the record in the studio. It wasn't

1144
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 6: like they came with like anything. We were all recording analogs.

1145
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 6: Everything's done in real time, you know. And they came

1146
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 6: in with the records and sampled half of them right there.

1147
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 6: It wasn't like Paul was showing up with discs. It

1148
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 6: was like most of that stuff got made right then

1149
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 6: and there.

1150
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: And with the samples. How did you guys handle that

1151
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: at all the time? Well, we cleared, we.

1152
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 6: Cleared all except one. The one we got caught for.

1153
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't count.

1154
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 6: And I mean, the one thing I'll say about Dayla

1155
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 6: and Paul is they had a lot of those ideas already.

1156
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 6: And and you know this, you know this question It's

1157
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 6: like you have a lot of that stuff mapped out

1158
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 6: in your head already. You know, I'm gonna use this

1159
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 6: with this, with this, with this, with this. So when

1160
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 6: you get in the studio, because you don't have any

1161
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 6: home equipment, you do your stuff, man quick. You know

1162
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 6: exactly what you're gonna use. It's kind of like you've

1163
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 6: already sorted it out in your mind, all right.

1164
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: So we have Bob Power, uh, also on Quest Love Supreme,

1165
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get him.

1166
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 6: So Powers did some of that record, not that much though, right,

1167
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 6: But my.

1168
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: Point was that the most important element of what made

1169
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: three feet High and Rising three and Rising, or the skits,

1170
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: and I was trying, I mean the way that it felt,

1171
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: It felt like it was happening in real time. Right,

1172
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: It felt spontaneous, Right, but I know that you know,

1173
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: MIC's have to be set up and samplers have to

1174
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: be pressed and looped and all these things. So something

1175
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: like take it off, Uh, just a.

1176
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: Mindless litany of of of of them dissing fads and

1177
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 1: hip hop sounds. Rather, it sounds that spontaneous at the time,

1178
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: or even can you keep a secret? Where I first

1179
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: heard Dante is a scrub. I mean, why did they

1180
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: call you a scrub by the way, because this is great?

1181
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: So like you were you the boss Bill of three Rising.

1182
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

1183
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 6: I was really in a playing sports back then and

1184
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 6: just athletic, like it's like a skateboard and all that.

1185
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 6: And we want to play basketball in LA with some

1186
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 6: the rhyme syndicate and those dudes couldn't play ball. I

1187
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 6: was like, Jesus christy fucking scrubs. I was like, look

1188
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 6: at you guys, like really, And that's really where it

1189
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 6: came from. And then another time we went to Houston

1190
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 6: it was like one hundred and ten degrees and they

1191
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 6: wouldn't go swimming, and I like, you know, I was

1192
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 6: in the pool like are you kidding me? Scrubs, Like

1193
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 6: you ain't going in the water, and they like wouldn't

1194
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 6: go in the water. So that was that, and that's

1195
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 6: they were like, Okay, we got you.

1196
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: So when they're turning this into you guys like I mean,

1197
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: how how do you an r three ft high?

1198
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 6: I mean I was there the whole time they made

1199
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 6: it pretty much, so it wasn't like they were turning

1200
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 6: it into me. I was like I was in the

1201
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 6: studio like ninety percent of the time, and and we

1202
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 6: were just namored. Because the first two singles had hit.

1203
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 6: We knew we had something. And the biggest quandary was

1204
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 6: do we put the album out in October November? We

1205
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 6: save it to next year, and we pushed it back.

1206
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you released it in January of

1207
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: eighty nine.

1208
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, because we didn't want to put it out at

1209
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 6: the end of the year and the fourth quarter and

1210
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 6: have it miss and and you know, me myself and I.

1211
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 6: It's funny because that was not one of the first

1212
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 6: songs they gave us, But when we heard it, we

1213
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 6: knew what was a hit and what was What was

1214
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 6: ironic is that the first two records we had, we

1215
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 6: had K Day on retainer basically, and so they had

1216
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 6: they had a big West Coast audience. We would go

1217
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 6: to k every time we're out there. I one with them.

1218
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 6: We did shows at World on Wheels, which was the

1219
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 6: craziest crypt out spot ever, and man, we had an

1220
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 6: audience out there, so.

1221
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: That that was the Latin quarter of the West Coast.

1222
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 6: That's when we first seen Gang Bang and me and

1223
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 6: Pos almost got arrested Jay walking on the Street. We

1224
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 6: seen dude of Jerry Crows all that, I met Dre

1225
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 6: back then I met Drey and and ice Cube. It

1226
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 6: was it was bugged out. We met seven eight three,

1227
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 6: We met Cypress before they were Cypress, like all that.

1228
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: Oh cool and Cali I forgot about seven three. That

1229
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: was the Alchemist. That was mugs. Oh sorry. Alchemist was like,

1230
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: we don't, we don't know, look alike? Who was who

1231
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: it was? I was hooligan hooligans. Damn, I'm tripping. I'm

1232
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 2: gonna getting my West Coast history mixed up? Bludfoot Wow.

1233
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 12: So how.

1234
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you sell? They are sold? Because well, we.

1235
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 6: Already had a captive audience, so it wasn't a hard sell.

1236
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 6: That's you know, that's what you're taking out of the equation.

1237
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 6: They already had a validated fan base. We knew it.

1238
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 6: Those singles were selling. But we were on the radio

1239
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 6: daytime radio in New York, in LA We knew they

1240
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 6: could sell tickets. People were going to see them. When

1241
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 6: Deylas Soul played, everyone would go to see them. They

1242
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 6: were the coolest band. So to us it was more like, oh,

1243
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 6: where's the single? We have a single, Now, how do

1244
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 6: we run with this, Let's run and Monica came up

1245
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 6: with a lot of the imagery. She she just poured water.

1246
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 6: She like she put growth powder on like what they

1247
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 6: already had, Like she threw grow lights on the hippie image,

1248
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 6: you know, and they kind of that was them naturally.

1249
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 6: They were just different. And she instead of you know,

1250
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 6: pondering it, she was like, oh, let's run with this.

1251
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 6: This is great. And until her credit, she somehow knew

1252
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 6: that collegiate White America eat it up. And they did.

1253
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: I mean it went.

1254
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 6: It went quick, man, it was it was It was

1255
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 6: not slow, like really they they were on. They were

1256
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 6: on from from the minute the album came out.

1257
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I always say that that album literally cut

1258
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: a lot of the bullying around my neighborhood off. It

1259
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: became cool to be weird. Yeah, literally because even before

1260
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: like before then, uh, my only black hippie reference was

1261
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: like maybe Princess Sign of the Times period, of which

1262
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: it was still shaky in the hood.

1263
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: But once eighty nine rolled around and Kat saw me,

1264
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: especially after the potholes in my lawn video, they were

1265
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: just like, oh, oh okay, you crazy like the daylight guys,

1266
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: and like that was my past like suddenly I became cool.

1267
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: It was validated. Yeah, totally.

1268
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 6: I mean they were just dressing like a lot of

1269
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 6: kids were dressing downtown. They were just from Long Island.

1270
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 6: But it wasn't rap dudes dressing like that. It was

1271
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 6: kids who were younger and more progressive.

1272
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: But the thing was because of the defensive nature of

1273
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: the Lost Soul is dead, I am too, am I

1274
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: to believe that they did more fighting.

1275
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, defending themselves.

1276
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 6: I mean, if you ever talked to Pass, you know,

1277
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 6: I mean, man, me and Mace got.

1278
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got kicked off the nichel. How do you

1279
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: get kicked off the ll to it?

1280
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 6: I mean they were got in a fight. They were

1281
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 6: always you know, they weren't having it like Mace's you know,

1282
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 6: he was all of them. I mean, they're not soft kids,

1283
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I mean, you know, they're

1284
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 6: still young black men, even if they have some hippie imagery,

1285
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 6: they're like still down to go for that.

1286
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: Were they getting in fights because people because of.

1287
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 6: The people tried to test them for sure? For sure? Wow,

1288
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 6: nobody in the BK lounge just as well, you know,

1289
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 6: I mean, granted that's funny because because Pass hit me

1290
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 6: up today. I just those That's one of the greatest

1291
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 6: groups I ever worked with. They're like just even now,

1292
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 6: they're just such great rappers. And that's the other thing.

1293
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 6: They invented an entire new way of rapping, right like

1294
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 6: they were unique and original. They weren't. They were sands

1295
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 6: cliche and tough guy bullshit.

1296
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: So the whole time, there wasn't any fear of this

1297
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: might not make it or.

1298
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 6: Not really man because we we knew we had a

1299
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 6: captive audience. It wasn't it.

1300
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1301
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 6: We did two singles before you got to Remember and

1302
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 6: both those singles hit plug tuning in and poddles hit.

1303
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 6: We knew we had something.

1304
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: Uh. Also, I guess Latifa, you did you a r

1305
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: her album? Yeah?

1306
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 6: No, I didn't do the whole album. I signed her.

1307
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 6: I signed her because of Latin quarters. Forty five King

1308
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 6: came up to me and knew who I was and

1309
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 6: played me a beat tape, and I knew who he

1310
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 6: was because his promas weren't read alert and him and

1311
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 6: Fact five Freddy called me up like I think it

1312
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 6: was that Monday on the phone and played me a

1313
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 6: bunch of Latifa records over the phone, And I don't

1314
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 6: know why Freddy didn't come to the meeting that week,

1315
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 6: but they came without Freddy, and he brought the whole

1316
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 6: flavor unit and we played around. Now it was four

1317
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 6: or fives a patchy patchy, No, it's just a patchy Ltzi,

1318
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 6: Marky Fresh, Who's who's a slept on maybe member? And

1319
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 6: forty five King and and we decided we're going to

1320
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 6: sign on the tief. I called Monika and and I said,

1321
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 6: play that again. We played it again and we ended

1322
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 6: up signing her. We signed up for peanuts too.

1323
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

1324
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 6: And and I will tell you this, she's wanted. Unlike Dayla.

1325
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 6: She exuded superstar energy from the minute I met her.

1326
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 6: She had a million dollar smile, and she was funny

1327
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 6: and engaging. She had it like I was like this,

1328
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 6: she got it. She could sing hi rap too. I

1329
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 6: didn't know. She didn't write raps back then, so.

1330
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: She knew instantly. Blamo like we were like, I'm a star.

1331
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know she knew it, but we knew it.

1332
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: Did you sign anyone else? Tommy Boyd?

1333
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 6: Is your underground? But then I left. I didn't. I

1334
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 6: didn't stay to make the record. I found what you

1335
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 6: liked because I didn't make any money.

1336
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,479
Speaker 2: How they how do they come across your radar?

1337
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 6: Even this dude named Adrian Gregory who had TNT Records.

1338
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 6: I knew him from from Cats in the Bay. I

1339
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 6: have a lot of family in the Bay and I

1340
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 6: met him when I was in the Bay. I can't

1341
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 6: remember what I was doing. And he was like, yo,

1342
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 6: I got this record, do what you Like and bang

1343
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 6: bang bang, like yeah, exactly. And he was working with

1344
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 6: Digital back then, and they gave me. They had Underwater

1345
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 6: Rhymes was the record he gave me. And then he

1346
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 6: sent me do what you Like. And then I was like, oh,

1347
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 6: this one's popping, and we signed him. And I played

1348
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 6: do what you Like in the commers room at Tommy

1349
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 6: Boy for Daylight and they were like you better sign that.

1350
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

1351
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 6: And then we signed them. And then you know, I

1352
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 6: wasn't making any money. I started getting offers to get

1353
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 6: jobs elsewhere. I almost went to work at Capital for

1354
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 6: my man Tim Carr, who stole the Beasties from from

1355
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 6: Russell and them like a thief in the night. My

1356
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 6: man he tried to get me over there and and

1357
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 6: and I didn't take the job. And I remember he

1358
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 6: had signed Mantronics and and he played me man Tronics

1359
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 6: new music, and I was like, I'm not feeling it.

1360
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 2: Was that the Brooklyn way to get into.

1361
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah it wasn't popping though.

1362
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: I like that one, like that one.

1363
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 6: I like Joyce Simms. Yeah, I liked all that. I

1364
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 6: think that's that's hop. But so people were offering me jobs.

1365
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 6: Ended up taking a job at Electric because I like

1366
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 6: the guy. I mean it was Tommy Silverman upset or well,

1367
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 6: Tommy Silverman was mad cheap, like I'm gonna I'm gonna

1368
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 6: just say it straight up. My lawyer was Andy tavel

1369
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 6: at the time, and we wanted to get me like

1370
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 6: forty thousand a year, and he offered me like thirty.

1371
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 6: I was making like twenty five. Maybe it's thirty something.

1372
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 6: And he offered me a company credit card too, and

1373
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 6: and my man was like Andy Tavl was like, I

1374
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 6: got mad in the meeting and he was like Dante, Relax.

1375
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 6: And after the meeting he took me out. He said,

1376
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 6: that guy's small potatoes. There's a whole world for you

1377
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 6: out here. Relax. You have a big record. We're gonna

1378
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 6: we're gonna, I'm gonna shake some trees an article mentioned

1379
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 6: me in the New York Times, and he started calling people.

1380
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 6: People started offering me jobs. Russell tried to get me

1381
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 6: to work there again. Capital offered me a job, and

1382
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 6: I took a job. Literally, I took a job at

1383
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 6: Electric Records cause I really liked the boss, Bob Krasnow.

1384
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 6: He told me he had signed Parliament Funkadelic back in

1385
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 6: day ambertra Pryor and I had had I had a

1386
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 6: three finger ring on and he took my ring off.

1387
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: Oh.

1388
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 6: He asked me if he could try to ring on

1389
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 6: and he gave me some big diamond pinky ring and

1390
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, we should trade rings. He's like,

1391
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 6: I don't think so, kid, And I just thought his

1392
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 6: whole his whole style was he was real cool and uh.

1393
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 6: He offered me real money, and I decided that's where

1394
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 6: I wanted to go. So you're saying that a hip

1395
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 6: hop A and R, there was no such was a

1396
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 6: hitting off an R yet. Okay, So what would a

1397
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 6: regular an R If you're working at Atlantic sixty to

1398
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 6: a Hundle as a director maybe sixty maybe one hundred.

1399
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: So the cat that like signs led Zeppelin or she

1400
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: back then they're making at least six figures. Yes, at

1401
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: least and this is only because Tommy Boy was a

1402
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: small label. And why why did they may like when

1403
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: did the Warner deal go down?

1404
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 6: Like why Brothers deal was already in place, so even then, yeah,

1405
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 6: and Monica. The crazy thing is Monica don't want me

1406
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 6: to leave, and I didn't want to leave. And I

1407
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 6: told Andy that. He was like, they're never going to

1408
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 6: pay you. He's like, I was like, but I love

1409
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 6: my groups. He's like, they won't love you. Don't worry

1410
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 6: about it. Go get a check straight up. He told

1411
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 6: me he kicked the real to me, and he was right.

1412
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: And and.

1413
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 6: I wanted to sign Grand Pooba because I love Masters

1414
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 6: of Ceremony and I had the Brand Nubian demo and

1415
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 6: Monica Lynch said, I just want to say to you,

1416
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 6: I don't think it's ethical if you signed Grand Poohba.

1417
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 6: And I was like, don't worry, I ain't gonna sign

1418
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,799
Speaker 6: Grand Pooba because I signed Brand Nubian's.

1419
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 2: That was that was so was that your first signing

1420
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: at his man Fante's man.

1421
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 6: And that it was fire because she flopped. I was

1422
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 6: on the ropes. And then an article came out Nelson George,

1423
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 6: my man, who he Monica got so tight? She said,

1424
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 6: Dante didn't really sign Dayla Soul and and he's taking credit.

1425
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 6: He's executed. Nelson George wrote some little thing about me

1426
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 6: in his column, and yeah.

1427
01:10:58,840 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: He's trying to do a takedown.

1428
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 6: I don't think he did it on purpose. I don't

1429
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 6: know what it was. You know, Nelson's my man. Whatever,

1430
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 6: blah blah blah, want on the bridge. And then this

1431
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 6: lady I worked with, she she put she photocopied and

1432
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 6: put it in front of a couple of people and

1433
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 6: they called me in the office and I thought they

1434
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 6: were going to fire me. Hat a flop and that

1435
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 6: came out and my boss was like, I don't care

1436
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 6: about all that. He's like, go make a hit. No

1437
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 6: one remembers. No one remembers the flops. That's what he

1438
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 6: told me. And Brand Nubian, So we talked about Dayla.

1439
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 6: Brand Nubian was signed for fifty five thousand dollars and

1440
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 6: they went over budget, and I thought I was going

1441
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 6: to get fired. And I told my boss, I said,

1442
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 6: I'm twelve thousand dollars over budget. He said, who cares?

1443
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 6: Metallica record cost a million? Dollars to make.

1444
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, at what point.

1445
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 5: Is it?

1446
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 6: At one point is it a good record? I said,

1447
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 6: I think it's great.

1448
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 2: Wow.

1449
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: See you're saying that hip hop, even in its classic phase,

1450
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: was so cheap Baltic Avenue, Mediterranean Avenue.

1451
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: That majorly just saw it as a quickie cash.

1452
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 6: Who knew? I mean you know what, I'll even blame

1453
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 6: myself a little bit on that, right because I thought

1454
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 6: that's what you paid for a record. I didn't say

1455
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 6: they need two hundred thousand dollars. I didn't know. I

1456
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 6: was coming from the Tommy Boy paradigm of making records,

1457
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 6: So I thought you made a rap record for fifty

1458
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 6: thousand dollars. I thought that was good. You didn't know

1459
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 6: the scale was Yeah, I had no concept. Even being

1460
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 6: super cool at the b SE's and seeing how rich

1461
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 6: they got, I still had no concept. I really didn't.

1462
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 6: I was young and naive. I did not know.

1463
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 5: So shout out to the Beasties for realizing that over

1464
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 5: saw the niggas for what they did to the Cold Crush.

1465
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 2: So Brand Nubian now.

1466
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 6: My favorite record I ever made. I'm just gonna say

1467
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 6: it right now.

1468
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 5: Dude, I'm gonna ask you are you gonna add because

1469
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 5: I think I know where you're going.

1470
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: But well, you know, I gotta ask by the five

1471
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 2: mics or what?

1472
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 6: Well they got five mics, right, hell yeah, first five

1473
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 6: mics when I see you know they had tried to

1474
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 6: do me. It still got five. But you know something

1475
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 6: though it don't say it was hot, I'm it was.

1476
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't hot.

1477
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 5: It wasn't hot, But I understood why because all every

1478
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 5: record had that had that record at the time.

1479
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: Well, it's weird you said it because Okay, so the

1480
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 2: day you remember when every seminal hip hop release required

1481
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 2: like a mass listening amongst you and your boys, like

1482
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 2: you all sit in the room like this and you

1483
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 2: overanalyze it.

1484
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 6: They smoke. We when we do that too, at least

1485
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 6: I did.

1486
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: So the day that we listened to Ready to Die,

1487
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: there was.

1488
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 6: One song I ain't like on it?

1489
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: What what was the one? What was your one? Respect?

1490
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 6: Yeah? How you knew that?

1491
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: But even that, to me, it was like, even though

1492
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: it was the worst song, it was still pretty good.

1493
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 6: Before that record came out, the way I heard it

1494
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 6: was I was driving to the Hamptons with Jessica Rosenbom

1495
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 6: and she said, you want to hear the Biggie record.

1496
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 6: I was like, for hell yeah, and I the only

1497
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 6: song I didn't like.

1498
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: Well, my manager at the time said, oh, I see

1499
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: what they did. And I was like what and he says,

1500
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,839
Speaker 1: you know, like and he used the brand Nubian Alumics example.

1501
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: He says, you know how the try to Do Me

1502
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: song was supposed to be like that one small attempt

1503
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: at getting an R and B hit on an otherwise

1504
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: hip hop record. He's like yeah, He's like, you know

1505
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: that unbelievable is to try to do men of this?

1506
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, I mean but no, no, but

1507
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: just in terms of where you had a hip hop

1508
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: record with just the one token arm.

1509
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: Big attempt, well no, no no. But he's basically saying

1510
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: that they reversed a formula and made every song was

1511
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: single potential, but the one on the ground so wound

1512
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: up being the underground record, which was, you know, unbelievable,

1513
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: which you know it's it's kind of reversed, but at

1514
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: the time, like I didn't. I guess I think I

1515
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 2: knew if Masters's ceremony, I haven't seen it in the

1516
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 2: record bins.

1517
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 6: But ceremonies. Fire. All I know is that cracked out.

1518
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: Was fire really fire?

1519
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 6: Fire? They were fired. Pooba was fire back then.

1520
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: But how are you sold on? Like, what was it

1521
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: about the group? You just wanted Pooba and whatever whatever

1522
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 2: you wanted to do.

1523
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 6: Also, I was hung out with Poolba. He was just

1524
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 6: so cool. I sang out him and paus K back

1525
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 6: then and they were just man cool. I just wanted

1526
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 6: to fuck with both of them.

1527
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: See why weren't they a crew? They should have been,

1528
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,480
Speaker 2: but because of the first priority situation possible.

1529
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 6: They should have been.

1530
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt disclaimeron tried to do me.

1531
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 6: That was one of percent grand Poolba is doing. That

1532
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 6: was him because man, Dave hall is from mount that's

1533
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 6: his man, and he's dope. Dave was Mariah Carey joint.

1534
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: He was trying to eat Dave jam Hallam. He was

1535
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: trying to eat do me. That was the thing, because

1536
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 2: then it was well the genius he had come do

1537
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: me like that was the That was a couple of

1538
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: years before that. Did you have a hand and sign

1539
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: the genius? No, No was on top.

1540
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, Rize was on yo rizzle when I went when

1541
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 6: I signed dirty, I you probably heard the story how

1542
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 6: I signed Dirty Stretching by Beatle movie I Plug Plug

1543
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 6: I heard, I was so, I was loving Wu Tang

1544
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 6: protecting neck was and Maddie c my man who worked aloud.

1545
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 6: He told me that they weren't all signed, like almost

1546
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 6: going like grab one of them while you can, like me,

1547
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 6: throw me the rock. So I heard him up on

1548
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 6: Stretching Bob and I and I jumped in the cab

1549
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,560
Speaker 6: and I went up there and I walked in and

1550
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 6: Rizza was there, and I was like, oh Ship. He

1551
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 6: was like, yo, I know you from the God mil Kwan.

1552
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, I remember you used to be

1553
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 6: on time. But it's like, yeah, you knew me when.

1554
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: I was whack, straight up, straight up.

1555
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 6: I'll never forget it. And I was talking those dudes

1556
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 6: for a while and I was like, yo, I I

1557
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 6: love Dirty, I love Meth. Come see me. And I

1558
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 6: was Thursday, supposed to see me Friday. They came Monday

1559
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 6: and I and I remember they came to my office

1560
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 6: and I told Rizza, I want to sign Dirty and Meth.

1561
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 6: That's a new run DMC. And he told me, yo,

1562
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 6: that's an ill thought. But now I'm gonna put methanem

1563
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 6: over there with Russell, but I'm gonna give you dirty

1564
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 6: because he fits in with the gods. And I was like, okay,

1565
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 6: And he had a map, he had a master, he

1566
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 6: had a mapped out. He like he wanted to put

1567
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 6: him there straight up, all right, so many questions, wait

1568
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 6: and and I'll say this too. Rizza was like the coolest, smartest,

1569
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 6: most insightful. Like that guy is like back, I mean

1570
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 6: from then to now, he's just like a gracious individual

1571
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 6: like he always. I was just had great vibes with

1572
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 6: that guy.

1573
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 2: He is. Wait, since since we're on to try to

1574
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 2: do me? All right? So this is the significance of

1575
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 2: trying to do me was that this is was there

1576
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: attempt at trying on the radio, right, didn't get on

1577
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: the radio. I can see that urban outfit of love

1578
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 2: shirts right now with the floppy I'll see if Heavy

1579
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 2: D were on this, it'd be you know, that's what

1580
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: it is.

1581
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 6: It's a heavy D record.

1582
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 4: See baby.

1583
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 14: Shot the dhote.

1584
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: Why you want to be so found? You know, swinging

1585
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: one for something is not my style. I'm the text

1586
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: tove min to die in the camp. But I because

1587
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 2: that's one that could be just.

1588
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 12: So your first rip is that I'm never hold and

1589
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 12: you're sick and tired.

1590
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: Of being alone. But baby, I got what to do,

1591
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: and they ain't.

1592
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 12: No, we're gonna stop me for being bron How about

1593
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 12: your rings and things.

1594
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 14: And all that good stuff, but you still beeping that

1595
01:18:59,520 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 14: dast not.

1596
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 4: I know.

1597
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 14: Let's sit down at discots, baby buster. When I'm still

1598
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 14: a sleep friend. When I get out of close out

1599
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 14: window friends, I think the best thing for you and

1600
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 14: me is just to play g.

1601
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 6: You know what Johnson.

1602
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: But I'm saying that when I got this record, I

1603
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: wasn't exactly fast forwarding it. Matter of fact, I did

1604
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: fast forward. It was too fast forward when because there

1605
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 2: was too this too? Okay? Was this one in my

1606
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 2: ministry dance ministry? Yeah, I love Dan there is?

1607
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,520
Speaker 6: That was a military.

1608
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: That's what didn't I didn't pass forward as my ministry.

1609
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 2: I used to run that way.

1610
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: I knew was that I read the Okay, So this

1611
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: is when I knew the source was the Bible, because

1612
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: when I saw the review. First of all, they got

1613
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: a five mic review and.

1614
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 6: They had a song that wasn't on there on that tape.

1615
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 6: They had a song that didn't make the album, which

1616
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 6: it was a song with the scrolled jettis of where

1617
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 6: is poo Bah? And it and the drums for it

1618
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 6: became what's the four one one?

1619
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 2: Wow?

1620
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 6: No, not what's the four and one? It was the

1621
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 6: Bismark drums Loafia Alfa rock and and that's why Puff

1622
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 6: was fucking with Poohba back then. Oh where is Pool?

1623
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 6: I need that song? John Scheckter has it and I

1624
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 6: was like his and when the record make the record?

1625
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 6: I have no idea why. There's several songs.

1626
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 2: There's several songs.

1627
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 6: She did that never made the record. Like there was

1628
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 6: also the Pete Rock song on this on a solo album.

1629
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 6: What Yeah, you don't know about the song?

1630
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: Pete Rock song didn't make the Bober.

1631
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 6: Maxwell Yes, their honey how You Live in It's It's

1632
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 6: on YouTube and Penguin. I have no Let me just

1633
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 6: say this. There was no explaining the Grand Pooba.

1634
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: There is no rhyme or reason the wait he had

1635
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 2: the final sale. Weren't you a r on the records?

1636
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 6: I mean I never got the master They made it

1637
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 6: in Peach House on Peach peased to have the eight

1638
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 6: track cassette in the house they made it on that.

1639
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 6: I I had a cassette, it made it to taste.

1640
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 2: So you're saying that, Okay, when we get to Pete Rock,

1641
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 2: you're saying that half that stuff was just made on

1642
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 2: an A track.

1643
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 6: No, I mean just that was. He made all his

1644
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 6: demos like that. That's why they were so bright. So

1645
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 6: when he went to Chunk Camp, I mean to Green Street,

1646
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 6: that's why his records were so bright because he wanted

1647
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 6: to match what he's doing in the house on the cassette.

1648
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: Chase, the demo Chase, the demo with Bob Powers is Chase,

1649
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: the demo demo Whitest Wow. So all right, So the

1650
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: first line of the Source review was brand Nubian is

1651
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 1: New York and that just checked to write the review.

1652
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he did, but it just because

1653
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: I haven't even heard of him. But the fact that

1654
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: in the previous Source uh uh there's Summer issue in

1655
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: which uh, I mean they gave trial. They reviewed a

1656
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: whole bunch of records, and America's Most Wanted.

1657
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: Got five did so the record they reviewed like thirty

1658
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 2: albums and the only five's awarded was People's Instincts of Travels.

1659
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:19,520
Speaker 2: America's most Wanted.

1660
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 6: Go Back, Let's Go back because people's instinctual travels of

1661
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 6: five mic record.

1662
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: No. I think at the time it came out, it

1663
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 2: was it was different from what it came. It came

1664
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: it was not to me like it's actually my least

1665
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 2: it's not my favorite, least favorite.

1666
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 6: What about beach Rhymes in Life and the love movement?

1667
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 6: Let's get real beast rhymes?

1668
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 2: That was the album.

1669
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 5: I didn't know people hate it until I got on

1670
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,879
Speaker 5: it right right, that was bumping Beast.

1671
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: Rhymes of Life saying somebody had to here you. I

1672
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: bought Chassy so Hey, I mean.

1673
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 6: And killed me and I made Chassy so and I

1674
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 6: know respect. Those records are good records. They're just not

1675
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 6: like they're just not as good as as min Marauders

1676
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,560
Speaker 6: and low End Theory, you know, because their bar was

1677
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 6: so high they're competing against themselves.

1678
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 2: Well here's the thing though, because even on Okay Player

1679
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: they had one of these like okay twenty five years later,

1680
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: how was this hold up? And when it came time

1681
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: for Off for One, people were like, no, this is

1682
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 2: definitely not a five mic record, and I had to

1683
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: My defense was that it was it was be all

1684
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,520
Speaker 2: for One, was beyond the music. It was more the lifestyle.

1685
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 6: I would give it, honestly, I wouldn't give it a

1686
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 6: five mic. That's a four to four and a half.

1687
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 6: There's two duds on it. Five mic record has no duds.

1688
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 2: See, he's coming from a technical standpoint, and I guess

1689
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: the industry standard has has sort of Stockholm syndrome me

1690
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: to now make the product of the artists more than

1691
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:58,839
Speaker 2: just the album itself.

1692
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, America, Americas Just Wanted is better than One for All.

1693
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: I can rap with you on that.

1694
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 6: So is the first cypress album to me, know what,

1695
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 6: I'll give you that one too.

1696
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: Wait, we about to have.

1697
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 6: You have to have because Chris Midnight Marauders better than

1698
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 6: One for All two so was theory.

1699
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: But it's a matter of significant importance. The thing is

1700
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 2: is that you're right. You're right, You're right.

1701
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 11: That's how it is.

1702
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a particular song or whatever, but

1703
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: it's just the meaning of all for one I mean

1704
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 2: and one fell Swoop, I mean, even all right, take

1705
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: it this way. Even a record like New York, New

1706
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: York by the Dog Pound, right, and in the first

1707
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: twenty seconds of them mocking what they think New York

1708
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 2: is their first reference is what's up God? Indeed, God

1709
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: your peace? God? Like making fun of five percent rappers.

1710
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 2: I think brand Nubians image and and and Ara was

1711
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: more important than all for one.

1712
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 6: I get it now, you're right, it's a capsule. It's

1713
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 6: a it's a you're like, it's a capsule picture of

1714
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 6: New York at that time, Perreo, the Gods and urths.

1715
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 2: And I gotta ask you how that's the white guy?

1716
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my question, half Jewish.

1717
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: White guy about to say that's the question. That the question.

1718
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, how did you? Because I remember?

1719
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 5: Because I mean, I think we're just saying it's true

1720
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 5: for me because I grew I came up in the South,

1721
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 5: so I'm in North Carolina. So for me, Off of

1722
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 5: One was the first album that I remember really hearing

1723
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 5: and seeing, you know, the the guys on Earth in

1724
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 5: the five percent terminology and like, okay, well what is that?

1725
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 2: And I remember the wake Up video where they had

1726
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 2: like the white Man as the devil.

1727
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 6: And shit like fab five Freddy did that video okay

1728
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 6: and it got banned from m Did it got about that?

1729
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 6: Think about that.

1730
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: This video? But but that well yeah, it was it

1731
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 2: was just learning the terminology and all that.

1732
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 6: I mean that was my first ye crazy is that

1733
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 6: I did so the remix version wake Up's original version,

1734
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 6: and they did that other version second, and that version

1735
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 6: was actually better. Yeah the Warriors joint that one's way better?

1736
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: Are you were the.

1737
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, so my version is really the original version, but

1738
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 6: they wanted to run with that one, and there was

1739
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 6: no arguing with the gods. And the one thing I'll

1740
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 6: say about their version of that song, it did not

1741
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 6: knock in the club, didn't hit it was it was thin.

1742
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: All right. There mixes, oh wow, man.

1743
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 6: They love mixes on the first album too, Man.

1744
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: How do you? I mean? But again it's like do

1745
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 2: you mess with their progress because they were just loop

1746
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 2: ship and put eight to weight under its it. And

1747
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't until Pete Rock, which I had actual definition of.

1748
01:26:59,720 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 4: No.

1749
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 2: Even then, like Jungle Brothers in Tribe were.

1750
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 6: Just I don't know, man, JB's coming through was knocking.

1751
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 6: That was but I mean a song like but a

1752
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 6: song like it was done in your house.

1753
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying a song like feeling all right.

1754
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 6: It was just But then when it got to like

1755
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,560
Speaker 6: the second I mean, date raping all those records on

1756
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 6: the win through. Those things are knocking.

1757
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 2: Because Bob was there, but you know, I mean after

1758
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 2: he rocks shut him down.

1759
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 6: Even listening to Public Enemy, like I listened to him recently,

1760
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 6: there's no bottom.

1761
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: It's all mid range, no definition, zero definition in their mixes.

1762
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

1763
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 2: Like your your era of of.

1764
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: Of hip hop was redefined, I guess we now we

1765
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: got to have a Pete rock section.

1766
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:46,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's.

1767
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 6: One they know about about Brand Nubian. So Brand Nubian

1768
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 6: was a snapshot of New York at that time period,

1769
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 6: much like cipercill was a snapshot of l A at

1770
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 6: that time period. There's certain records that capture or in

1771
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 6: place too Short Born the Mac. They captured that place,

1772
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 6: that that vibe of that city at that time period.

1773
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 6: And that's why those records were all important. Very different records,

1774
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 6: but all kind of have the same cultural importance to me.

1775
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 2: All Right, So wait, let's let's peep one of my

1776
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: all time favorites from Awful One Step to the Rear.

1777
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: I got in there with a sample.

1778
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 6: Which one Salame Street record No Yes Hurt and Ernie

1779
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 6: singing no Yep.

1780
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 8: Full circle.

1781
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: Ah here we go. Okay, every sring, my s.

1782
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 13: Sring, my sring, my al stuck steps of the rear.

1783
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 2: Grand Plu was on a rival, raised in.

1784
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 12: The ghetto, singing songs, cost a vible, running around town

1785
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 12: giving all the girls bool but snacks. I wouldn't try

1786
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 12: to scale a style. You just my kats Katia figure.

1787
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 12: The way to get paid is the grand the microheightson

1788
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 12: move is to mainson, honey, don't take a person. There's

1789
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 12: no need to trying to just to swing up baby

1790
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 12: on your two snaps up in the fringer. The marbleloon

1791
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 12: babe went to the path and all you try to

1792
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 12: step the list, it's void.

1793
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 2: A new hit from the grand Man, working nights like

1794
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 2: the sand Man game four away in case I gotta

1795
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 2: stop like that once. It is a trick that's not up.

1796
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 12: My sleeves, possessed waiting for that sin that works when

1797
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 12: I blave it paint in the shade with the a

1798
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 12: as the grade, with the papes that I made from

1799
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 12: this trade. So get him too, the grip you know

1800
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 12: were it's a lot of TIMPs if you want to

1801
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 12: cash in on the winds grand people and I love

1802
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 12: to hit skins, and you.

1803
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 10: Know what I've done song to sing. I've done song

1804
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 10: to sing. I've done song to sing.

1805
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 4: Who I've done song to sing?

1806
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: Fun Now hear everybody don't care?

1807
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:43,879
Speaker 6: Every pard.

1808
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 2: Don't hear everybody.

1809
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 4: Don't care every pardy.

1810
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: Hear everybody? Yeah, dog, I used to make pause tapes

1811
01:29:55,640 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 2: to Okay, a pause tape was before looping culture with

1812
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Serado and other devices. Today, when you wanted to hear

1813
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: your favorite part, you would just take a cassette tape

1814
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 2: and do the edits yourself by hand.

1815
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: So I would just make of just this section of

1816
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: the song, trying to figure out. I cannot leave this

1817
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: earth without owning the source of the record of the sam.

1818
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 6: I have the record. I know what the cover looks like,

1819
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 6: but I don't know what the name of the song is.

1820
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 6: So a long time ago, and it's definitely a sesame

1821
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 6: street record that CAMD was fucking with too.

1822
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 8: I'm sure we can find it.

1823
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, I was about to say our next episode,

1824
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 2: of course Left seventeen will be at unpaid Bill's job.

1825
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,879
Speaker 2: Let me come, I need to get some little reds.

1826
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 6: So Pete Rock love him, just easiest gotta work with

1827
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 6: of all time. Really, oh man, So man, it was

1828
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 6: like making that record was so easy. I'd just go

1829
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 6: to the studio like every couple of days and they'd

1830
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 6: be finishing another record, Megan. So even when he did

1831
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 6: the EP, which which he didn't, I wasn't really around

1832
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,600
Speaker 6: a whole lot with that one. But the set, you know,

1833
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 6: because we had the creator. We had a hit song, right,

1834
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 6: so we knew we had to hit. So we're making

1835
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 6: an album. And I would just cruise by Green Street

1836
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 6: and we'd smoke a little weed and then we ordered

1837
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 6: some food. And he also had like twenty five songs,

1838
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 6: thirty songs, like a bunch of records didn't go on

1839
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 6: the album, and and he would just play me ship

1840
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 6: and I'd be like, Yo, what is that? And he'd

1841
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 6: be like, oh, you know that's Esen Brothers. Take an

1842
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:40,600
Speaker 6: inventory or whatever. He'd tell me what the record was,

1843
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 6: so I catch knowledge he'd filtered the baseline. Oh yeah,

1844
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 6: I used these drums like it was not only was

1845
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 6: it a pleasure to hear the records, it was like

1846
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 6: I was going to beat school.

1847
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 2: He was.

1848
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 6: He knew A lot he.

1849
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Played in the car was that he would play these

1850
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 2: beats in this car.

1851
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, play in the car and then and Amy style

1852
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 6: was an engineering and I ended up feeling Jamie to

1853
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 6: do ever less later because I thought his mix has

1854
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 6: sounded so good and Green Street was just a really

1855
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 6: nice environment. So and and Pete never beefed about anything ever.

1856
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 6: He never beefed once, never had a complaint. It was

1857
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 6: like he was really he was really, he was really

1858
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 6: young that way, and he was quiet back then.

1859
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: As a record digger, there is no fear like the

1860
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 2: look on a record merchant's face when he might have

1861
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 2: to face the wrath of Pete Rock right Pete is

1862
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 2: if Pete finds out that someone else has purchased a

1863
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 2: record that Pete was intending on using.

1864
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 6: Another thing about Peter is when you shop with him,

1865
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 6: he didn't really show you a lot of shit. We're

1866
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 6: like I would shop with the beat nuts and be like,

1867
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 6: you know this, even Dyla, I want shopping. One time

1868
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 6: he showed me some ship, but like Pete would would

1869
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 6: never say anything. I'd be like, hey, you notice, and

1870
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 6: he'd do the beat he knew about it, wouldn't tell

1871
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 6: you anything. Dog.

1872
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 2: It would be to the point where like he put me.

1873
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 6: Up on the t Swift, he put me up on

1874
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 6: a few joints, Eddie say a couple of joints.

1875
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay, for a second, when you said t Swift,

1876
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, huh wasn't she like three.

1877
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 2: Years old back then? No, I'm playing that's a second.

1878
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 6: No, No, I'm just saying record are you Jimmy Hendrick?

1879
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 6: Are you experience the drums?

1880
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: But I'm saying that he.

1881
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1882
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: I would go to places and I'd be like, all right,

1883
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: we're the good record tight and and they just be like,

1884
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, I said what Pete, It's like yeah, you know,

1885
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: you know. And then it'd be a time where like

1886
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: maybe a month or two go by and be like,

1887
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: did Pete pick up the record yet?

1888
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: And he'd be like well, And then that's how I

1889
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 2: would be like, here, I need these records mirror.

1890
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 6: I went to his house one time in Spring Valley

1891
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 6: and he let me look at his record collection, and

1892
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 6: every record I had he had doubles of, damn near,

1893
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 6: and he had everything to the point where I wanted

1894
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 6: to give up. I was like, God, damn it. He everything.

1895
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: He would notoriously actually buy triples and quadruples of the.

1896
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 6: Else could get so that no one else didn't get

1897
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:21,560
Speaker 6: the record, so he gave me some records too. He

1898
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 6: I traded doubles with them a couple of times. He uh, so,

1899
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 6: you know, I helped him out a lot, so you know,

1900
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 6: but he was a pleasure to deal with. Man. And

1901
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 6: I always hear people like, you know, he may get

1902
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 6: a difficult tag now and again, but but he was

1903
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 6: really cool back then. And he didn't smoke a lot,

1904
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 6: and I was a mad potted and I started getting

1905
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 6: them high a lot. He like he got that. We

1906
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:41,799
Speaker 6: started smoking.

1907
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 7: Spring Valley, New York County live, yes, where he lived.

1908
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 6: That's where he had his first house. And and I

1909
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,839
Speaker 6: don't know if you guys noticed that Pooba wrote the Creator.

1910
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 6: He wrote it for beats, he didn't get paid. And

1911
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 6: he also wrote he wrote what's the other one? With

1912
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 6: Pete's rocking on it? He's wrapping up.

1913
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 2: So by the number one brother number one can play

1914
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 2: that real quick. Yeah, that's great, Boss Bill looking at

1915
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 2: me like that song. He's a sweet soul brother, so

1916
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 2: so so.

1917
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 11: So comes you, So comes your soul.

1918
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 15: Soul brother number one year where I come on the NTO.

1919
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 15: That's the coded white because I'm rich, stick and chocolate.

1920
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 15: You lug up and you like up at Chippy Rocker's pocket.

1921
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,759
Speaker 15: Un Zobiezax, what's the bulls in my pocket? I tell him, player,

1922
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 15: I've rocked the top pick bottom never hesitate to say,

1923
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,719
Speaker 15: I'm rested on the hill side, over on the chill side,

1924
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:49,719
Speaker 15: up town, So let's.

1925
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 6: Get down funk.

1926
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 2: He is the word describbers brother on the souls.

1927
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:52,759
Speaker 8: Listens.

1928
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 15: Look it was herds more souls than the soul KITCHI see, yes,

1929
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 15: the scratch sober won't keep the itchest white people even safe.

1930
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 15: He rocking shitch caught it in the hottest, outer than

1931
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 15: the hottest. I guess that's just because I'm smarter than

1932
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 15: the smartest.

1933
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 2: So back up, clear the path. Funny because come soul

1934
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 2: brother number one, number one? All right, So I just

1935
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 2: realized that the number one soul brother sample. No, it's

1936
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 2: it's MERV. Griffin introducing James Brown. It is okay, So

1937
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,560
Speaker 2: there's a copy of there's a song called World that

1938
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 2: James Brown did, and it's it's MERV. Griffin introducing and now, gentlemen,

1939
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 2: it's the number one soul brother James Brown. And then

1940
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 2: it goes so like James has a perfectly edited introduction

1941
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 2: of MERV Griffin from The MERV Griffin Show Before the

1942
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 2: World song starts Crazy.

1943
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 6: There's a lot of samples in it. There's bubblegum in

1944
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 6: at on red more importantly pain.

1945
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's my favorite song on that record.

1946
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 6: Because night Creation in there on the bottom.

1947
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So by this point, how do you clear these samples?

1948
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 2: Like if it's super obvious or.

1949
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,719
Speaker 6: Do you nice rolling?

1950
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 2: Do people come to you? Do people come to you

1951
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 2: and you're like, hey, I was holding your money in

1952
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 2: es growth?

1953
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 6: No, no, no none. I would sit there with Pete

1954
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 6: and I'd be like, yo, I know you used this,

1955
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 6: this and this. He might divulge another one he might not,

1956
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 6: so I mightn't catch And we didn't catch everything. We

1957
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 6: definitely clear everything on those records, like without it.

1958
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 2: What about the interludes?

1959
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,679
Speaker 6: Just oh man, we didn't clear any of those. Those

1960
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 6: were sure there's been you know, everyone knows everything now,

1961
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 6: so I'm sure he's had suit after suit. Well, I'll

1962
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 6: tell you it's crazy. Step to the Rear Electric Records

1963
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 6: clear Tramp by Little folsom it's not tramp. And they

1964
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 6: did that retroactively, and I've already had a publishing deal

1965
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 6: and they were like, hey, there's a claim against when

1966
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 6: you're I was like, that's not what that sample is

1967
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 6: because it's it's uh, you know, it's the marquis Ah.

1968
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 1: Even on Beats Rhymes in Life, they gave a good

1969
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: chunk of the portion of Pat and Pin to the

1970
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: gap band.

1971
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 6: Really what for chess a little to a minuscule from Yearning? Yeah,

1972
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 6: but you.

1973
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, it was like thirty percent And

1974
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, why did you even clear it?

1975
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 6: Like that dude owns a published No, he goes after everybody.

1976
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 6: He's trying to catch it.

1977
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 5: Have you?

1978
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,879
Speaker 2: I don't even want to bring this into existence.

1979
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 5: Have you?

1980
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 2: Have you had had an air fugue situation? No?

1981
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 6: I got caught for Camille Yarborough on the everlast record

1982
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 6: She Caught Me. She caught me. She I had to

1983
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 6: pair some dough.

1984
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 2: She did the Fat Boy.

1985
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 6: And I used to interlude just a little no what

1986
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 6: sorry not familiar, bro, my bad Von Gray the Gray

1987
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 6: Lady album, I used a little into it's a whole

1988
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 6: new thing like I used just a little vocal and

1989
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 6: I didn't clear and we settled with it was cool.

1990
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 6: It was no big deal. And I did roll the

1991
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 6: dice on I'm not gonna down myself out on a

1992
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 6: bunch of on several records that are big records that

1993
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 6: I didn't clear things on I never got caught. Knock

1994
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 6: on wood good, Wow, there's someone wo's gonna hear this

1995
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 6: and go through my entire cattle.

1996
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 2: It's probably already up on who's sampled already.

1997
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 6: Really and on rock records, people don't look as much.

1998
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 6: So because I did all these remixes, I used man

1999
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 6: ship and people didn't.

2000
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Catch What did you say, John Spencer Blues Explosion.

2001
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't clear any of that, and you

2002
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 6: know there's something real prominent that one, So go sue John.

2003
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 6: I have no publishing.

2004
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: I miss touring with those guys like they. We went

2005
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: on the Beastie Boys tour with John Spencer Blues.

2006
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 6: Explosion Orange right when they had banging. They were a

2007
01:39:58,960 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 6: great band.

2008
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 2: Old Russell Simmons on drums, he man, that guy, he

2009
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,640
Speaker 2: it's hard. Yeah, he would go through like a drumhead

2010
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 2: a night.

2011
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 6: I mean I recorded him and his time was in tremendous.

2012
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 6: Chuck Trees had better time. They played on. They both

2013
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 6: played on a record for me and Chuck's stuff, I

2014
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 6: didn't have to play with. I had to play with

2015
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 6: with Russell's stuff a bunch.

2016
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 2: Wow. You know about the legend of Chuck Cheries.

2017
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 6: That's my man. I used to skateboard with him, Nick rad.

2018
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chuck ches forever nineteen year olds.

2019
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:28,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my man with the green eyes.

2020
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the man. So how long was your tenure

2021
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 2: at Electra?

2022
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 6: I think it was almost eight years? Seven years. I

2023
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 6: think it was a long time, close to eight years.

2024
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 2: Who am I missing besides cam d Old.

2025
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 6: Dirty bastard. I gave Bus for a solo record. I

2026
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 6: wasn't there by the time he finished it. But but

2027
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 6: after Leaders flopped and and even while when.

2028
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 2: They turned Leaders first album, second.

2029
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 6: Second album, first album was it? To say it, the

2030
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 6: second album was very joined it. I sent them back

2031
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 6: in to do it again. They didn't want to do it.

2032
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,600
Speaker 6: When I wanted to go do the second album, I

2033
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 6: actually pulled Tip in. I said, Yo, you should be

2034
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 6: the executive producer and just oversee it because there's too

2035
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 6: many moving parts. It's chaos. And Tip was down and

2036
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 6: I pitched the idea to those guys and Buster wanted

2037
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 6: to do it and the rest of them didn't. And

2038
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:21,720
Speaker 6: that's when I knew that Buster was.

2039
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 2: Why did they go against their own interest?

2040
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 6: Because they said, Yo tribes stole the East Coast stomp

2041
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 6: from us. And it wasn't Buster who said that. I'm

2042
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 6: just gonna I'm not. You know someone who is?

2043
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 2: Who is the Who's the hardest group to babysit.

2044
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 6: Leaders of the New School because they they might get

2045
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,560
Speaker 6: a fist fight in the middle of everything. It was

2046
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 6: always always rough with them. Brand Nubians were like, they

2047
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 6: might beat me up, but not each other.

2048
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm about to say each group has a fistfight m

2049
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 1: v A and R office story.

2050
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 2: Even Tarika and I had a fist fight NB A and.

2051
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 6: R office knew me in never had I never had

2052
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 6: drama with him like that. Me and Jamar drawed at

2053
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 6: each other one time and that was that And and

2054
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 6: jam Jamaar was definitely down the hook off on me too,

2055
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 6: and and it didn't happen so so, and I love

2056
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 6: Lord Jamar like much respective he's about his business. I

2057
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 6: love that guy and leaders. Yeah, I got into a

2058
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 6: Charlie Brown one time in office and and just it

2059
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 6: was all fucked up. And I knew Buster was a star.

2060
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 6: Everyone knew it. So me and Chris Lighty I had

2061
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 6: told him, I say, yo, we can bustle, got to

2062
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 6: do solo record. He's like, you're right, And we've worked

2063
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 6: on Buster for a minute. And Buster finally saw the

2064
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 6: light and he did a solo record.

2065
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 2: And so do most acts just break up or do

2066
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 2: you have to say, okay, we're now?

2067
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 6: They all broke up. Every act broke up. It was

2068
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 6: never me. I never had anything to do with breaking

2069
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 6: up any act. Specifically. I did offer a solo record

2070
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,719
Speaker 6: a Buster while they were still a band, that is true.

2071
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 6: But it was me and Chris Lighty and and and

2072
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 6: you know, big shout out to Chris light and my brother.

2073
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 6: I love him and miss him. He was the one

2074
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 6: of the greatest people well I ever know from his

2075
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 6: business and in d nice sitting in a place of

2076
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 6: very few other people sitting. But but that said, and

2077
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 6: and Buster, you know, finally opened his eyes. He's seen

2078
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 6: it wasn't gonna happen, and it was time for him

2079
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 6: to do what he had to do, and he did it.

2080
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 6: And at that point in my life, me and Buster

2081
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 6: were super close. He was going through a lot of

2082
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 6: personal ship and that's what my little brother. I love

2083
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 6: him He's a great man.

2084
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 2: Were you there for the whole, uh Black Bastards scenario

2085
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 2: with cam d I was.

2086
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 6: That was that was really what disillusioned me about working

2087
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 6: at a major label. And I'd probably brought the camel's

2088
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:32,799
Speaker 6: back cynical.

2089
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 4: No.

2090
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 6: I stayed because it's hard to walk away from that

2091
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 6: much money, especially you know, my mom's a school teacher,

2092
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 6: my dad's a writer. Like I grew up, you know,

2093
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 6: very blue collar. So so I can't say that I'm super,

2094
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 6: mister principle. And I walked away because this, that and

2095
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 6: the other. I didn't but but I but I was,

2096
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 6: I thought tooth and nail, and I lost.

2097
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 2: To explain it.

2098
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 6: Backstory, so black Bastards, so well, you gotta explain MD.

2099
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 6: I mean km d Is was was doing his of

2100
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 6: the sub Rock and Onyx. It was like he was

2101
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 6: like the third guy, but he wasn't really in the process.

2102
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 6: And I met them from third base. They were on

2103
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 6: gas Face. He helped produce gas Face Doom. He was

2104
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,639
Speaker 6: my little homie, my man, and we went and made

2105
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 6: the first record. We made it in my studio. Basically,

2106
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 6: who did peach us? Who he did peach? Was him

2107
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 6: or sub Rock?

2108
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's.

2109
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 6: Because no one was.

2110
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 2: Playing no no way. You remember the video when was

2111
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 2: playing the well thought, oh my god, I played percussions.

2112
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 6: Popa did.

2113
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

2114
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 6: He might help with nitty gritty though. But but those guys,

2115
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,480
Speaker 6: you know, they those two were symbiotic in their relationship,

2116
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 6: resting piece of sub Rock and and they were just

2117
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 6: like family to me. And we made the first record

2118
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 6: and it it wasn't a big hit, but it had

2119
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,719
Speaker 6: some some some lasting impact. And their imagery was always

2120
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 6: based around the sambo character, about eradicating the stereotype of sambo.

2121
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 6: They were Muslims, they were part of the ansar A

2122
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 6: law community. Brooklyn followed doctor you know, Dr York blah

2123
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 6: blah blah, and so that said, you know, between the

2124
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 6: first and second record, they had changed a lot of people.

2125
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 6: They've grown a lot. They experimented a lot of mind

2126
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 6: altering drugs. You know, they're not ashamed to say it.

2127
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 6: I think acid became a you know, a part of

2128
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 6: the program. Blah blah blah. They're hanging out uptown with Curius,

2129
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 6: George and them a lot. And and sub Rock died.

2130
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 6: He got hit by a car and he passed. We

2131
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 6: buried him and and in awake of that Doom when

2132
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 6: it finished the record he turned in It's called Black Bastards,

2133
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 6: It's the Hangman game, and they had sample and they

2134
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 6: were hanging him and uh Havelock Nelson, Terry ROSSI, I'm

2135
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 6: gonna call him out. I don't care my Facebook for

2136
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 6: end and half a mile too, and I talked him

2137
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 6: about it and anything I'm gonna say right now, I'll

2138
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 6: say I said to him. And he's apologized. They condemned

2139
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 6: the artwork and the band and the label putting it

2140
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 6: out without ever giving an audience to Doom to defend

2141
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 6: his rhetoric, his his vision, and they never let him

2142
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 6: talk about what what his messaging was. And I think

2143
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 6: I think that was uh.

2144
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 2: So what did they see when they saw said it

2145
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 2: was racist.

2146
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 6: That no, a major label can't put out a record

2147
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:15,599
Speaker 6: with samble on the cover it's called black.

2148
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,400
Speaker 2: Bastards, and knowing who was behind.

2149
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:20,679
Speaker 6: It and and not right and and not also noting

2150
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 6: that symbal is getting hung right, so they're hanging in

2151
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 6: effigy the stereotype of and they always use samble with

2152
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 6: the line through it. Yet they did not give him

2153
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 6: a chance to defend his vision. And his messaging and

2154
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 6: and they condemned him and Terry Rossi wrote about it

2155
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 6: in her column, and so to Havelock circulated around my

2156
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 6: building where I worked, and it was post the the

2157
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 6: the body count Fiasco.

2158
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 2: Billboard. Yes, because I remember that, like I religiously read

2159
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 2: Billboard every week and remember that.

2160
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 6: George Rhythm and Blues column I think it was called.

2161
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 6: So so they circulated. My boss called me off us

2162
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 6: and he said, there's a lot of contentious feelings about

2163
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 6: this artworking and we're gonna put this before the review

2164
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 6: board at uh, you know, at the MG, and we're

2165
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 6: going to see, you know, what people said. And he

2166
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 6: said that Vincent Davis, who had Keatswett, found this offensive,

2167
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 6: and Sylvia Rome finds this defensive. And it's been deemed

2168
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 6: offensive by several black people that I didn't say that

2169
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 6: certain things I can't say the jack so, you know,

2170
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 6: so they wouldn't let the record come the They shelved

2171
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 6: the record. But my man came to the office today.

2172
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 6: We're going to meet the Warner Music what's got. Richard

2173
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 6: Parsons was supposed to be there and various other people

2174
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 6: Parsons and we're going to meet all these people, and

2175
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:56,560
Speaker 6: and my boss said, they've canceled the meeting. We're not

2176
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 6: gonna have the meeting. I'm not gonna put the record out,

2177
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 6: Bob kraz now. And he said, but I am going

2178
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 6: to give you back your masters, and I know you've

2179
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 6: been through a lot of stuff with your brother, and

2180
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 6: I'm going to also give you basically a like get

2181
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 6: out of jail free check. So he gave him a

2182
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 6: I think it was twenty thousand dollars check. And we

2183
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 6: went to my office and I had all this wine.

2184
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 6: Someone sent me a case of wine, Sweet Premium wine.

2185
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 2: Right.

2186
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 6: They have that song Sweet Premium Wine, right. So we

2187
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 6: always used to drink the wine in my office, and

2188
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 6: we drank a couple of bottles and Doom said, you know,

2189
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 6: I should get dropped more often. I haven't got a

2190
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 6: twenty thousand dollars check in my entire life.

2191
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 2: And that's real.

2192
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 6: The fallout is that no one would touch the record.

2193
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 6: Faith Newman, I know, wanted to sign them, and they wouldn't.

2194
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 6: She wasn't allowed to, and the record sat there and

2195
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 6: do him went in and he put on you know,

2196
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 6: he put on the mask, and he reinvented himself as

2197
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 6: MF Doom and power too. Man, that's the power of

2198
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 6: black man in America right there. Reinvention, right, this is

2199
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 6: crazy because we invented underground hip hop more or less

2200
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 6: on the heels of catching the biggest ll of his life,

2201
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 6: his brother dying and dropped. But you know what, he

2202
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 6: empowered himself. And I love that man. That's my brother forever,

2203
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 6: and you know he was We had a lot of stuff. Man,

2204
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 6: I'll never forget burying his brother. War well. You know,

2205
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 6: every time I see him, one of the only people

2206
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 6: who talks about Skype and I have to tell him

2207
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 6: take the mask off. But I love that cat and

2208
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 6: he's a He's a wonderful person. And you know that's

2209
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 6: that's the rap game right there.

2210
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 2: It is.

2211
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:24,719
Speaker 6: You know, you got to deal with some bullshit.

2212
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 2: The single, what's the single that sampled the Jody Whiteley Loop?

2213
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 2: It was hot, that was my s I knew that

2214
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 2: it was gonna hit.

2215
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 6: And know the Ledge jacked him, right, You're right, they

2216
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 6: jacked loop.

2217
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 2: You're right, Shot, You're right jacked it.

2218
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 6: He was around. I love you.

2219
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 2: You know.

2220
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 6: Jack what it is you've been knowing the Jack.

2221
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 2: Loops and Steve. I cannot wait to get some of

2222
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 2: the dice on question.

2223
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 6: Probably because you stole someone's loop.

2224
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 2: It just gets turned off and ringo number ring.

2225
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:15,679
Speaker 8: Wow.

2226
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 2: I actually have urshot Smith number seven. I have like

2227
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 2: seven phone numbers on him.

2228
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 6: I got a bunch myself. He's a talented cat though. Man,

2229
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 6: he did doing it. People don't know that. He's a god.

2230
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 6: I did more records that people don't know he did

2231
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 6: than anyone ever.

2232
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah he did one more chance.

2233
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 6: Yep, he did know the ledge he did Pep.

2234
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:39,600
Speaker 10: Paul C.

2235
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:41,560
Speaker 6: Might have done more records than people ain't know.

2236
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 2: Hello, man, please shot.

2237
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 10: Shot exactly number Sorry, sorry, just.

2238
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 6: Think how stupid is how stupid is the idea of

2239
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 6: stealing a because we were stealing them from the guys

2240
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 6: who made the records.

2241
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know whatever, that's crazy, all right.

2242
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: So you're saying, so the last record that you A

2243
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 1: and R at Electra was Black Bastard.

2244
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 2: Nope, it was Dirty first.

2245
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 6: Ye thirty and the second Pete Rocket. Chronologically, I can't

2246
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 6: remember any ingredient. Okay, an ingredient, but no Dirty came

2247
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 6: out in ninety five, so maybe it's that one.

2248
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 2: Dude, How do you even how do you even Smith?

2249
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 2: It might have been how do you even communicate with

2250
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:47,600
Speaker 2: old dirty bastard man? Wow? So so who put that

2251
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 2: record together?

2252
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 6: So they came to me with seven, maybe eight, anywhere

2253
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,640
Speaker 6: from six to eight songs done. The rest of the

2254
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 6: music was basically on reels on two inches. A lot

2255
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 6: of the vocals were aready done, not all of them,

2256
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 6: and Rizza was like peace and Rizza he wasn't gonna

2257
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 6: babysit dirty. He had money to go get, and he

2258
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 6: went and got his money and he left dirty in

2259
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 6: my lap. I had to figure out with an engineer

2260
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 6: how to mix those records. And if you've ever had

2261
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:22,799
Speaker 6: a multi from Rizza, his science is not my science.

2262
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 6: His periodic table is very Staten Island, and I'm from Manhattan.

2263
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 6: I had trouble understanding it. And he would literally take

2264
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 6: the base tone from the two inch reel from the

2265
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:37,560
Speaker 6: two inch machine and play bass lines out of that,

2266
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 6: and I didn't know what the hell he was doing.

2267
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:44,200
Speaker 6: And I did struggle, but I got the mixes done eventually,

2268
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,560
Speaker 6: and he okayed them all. It took a year to

2269
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 6: get the record made, but in that year, the Wu

2270
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 6: Tang Clan because I signed before his album came out,

2271
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 6: had grown in leaps and bounds. So I knew I

2272
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,720
Speaker 6: had to get to the finish line. And I had

2273
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,679
Speaker 6: a very patient woman I live with at the time,

2274
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 6: and I spent an in or an inordinate amount of

2275
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 6: time and trying to finish that record. But I also

2276
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 6: knew that because the way Dirty lived his life.

2277
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:18,599
Speaker 2: How many five am phone calls you get, man from studios? Man, Man,

2278
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 2: tell you one man.

2279
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 6: There's so much shit he did, Man, But but but Man.

2280
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 6: I walked in the studio one time. This is the

2281
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 6: best and my partner John Gamble, when I asked, he fifties,

2282
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:31,719
Speaker 6: who didn't engineer a lot of sessions. Was the engineer

2283
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 6: in the session? And I called earlier? I said, Yo,

2284
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 6: it was Dirty there. Yeah, Dirty Saire. I'm a swing

2285
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 6: bying while I swing over there. A couple hours later,

2286
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 6: trunk King and I walked in and no one's there,

2287
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 6: and I said, and my man had a weird look

2288
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 6: on his face. I said, where's Dirty. He's like he's here.

2289
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 6: I was like, where He's like, here's the vocal boo.

2290
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 6: I said, why the light's out? He said, go in

2291
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:50,080
Speaker 6: there and see.

2292
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 2: Oh Lloyd.

2293
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 6: I walked in there and they're running and training on

2294
01:53:53,320 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 6: this chick and and I I walked in and dirty

2295
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 6: wasn't dirty, I guess had Irrety had already had his ride,

2296
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 6: and he's like, Yo, do you want to get down?

2297
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 6: I said, no, man, I don't rock caboose. And those

2298
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 6: guys said that to me for like six months straight, Yo,

2299
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 6: you rock caboose. Yet that was like their favorite thing

2300
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 6: to say to me. And that was like one of

2301
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 6: the thousands of I mean, you know, he fucking took

2302
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 6: the loll plaque off the wall and pissed on it.

2303
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:27,759
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm saving that for my book. But needless

2304
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 6: to say, I was in between him and Chris Leidy

2305
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 6: about the It was a Mexican standoff and and it

2306
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,200
Speaker 6: was fuck. It was yo and dirty, just like you know.

2307
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 6: I took him to La and he did this show

2308
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 6: and he, I mean he tore it down water ride

2309
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 6: off stage and started to do another show in front

2310
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 6: on like a street lamp and like just stood there

2311
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 6: in front of the palladium on Highland and started rocking again.

2312
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 6: And I had to drag him to the hotel.

2313
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 2: It was like.

2314
01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:01,040
Speaker 6: He was so wild in his it was the he

2315
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 6: would eat a box of donuts every day for breakfast,

2316
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 6: ceplate donuts and then drink Cisco.

2317
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 2: He was.

2318
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 6: And he would fart and laugh, and I mean he

2319
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:16,360
Speaker 6: just everything he did was larger than life. He got

2320
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 6: kicked out of so many hotels. And I will say

2321
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 6: this though, I knew I had to get it to

2322
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 6: the finish line, because there are times in life when

2323
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 6: you only know you have that moment in time, and

2324
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 6: you got to get there right. And I had to

2325
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 6: get there because I strongly suspected it never gonna happen again.

2326
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 6: Me get it while I can. And I dedicated a

2327
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 6: large part of that year to getting that record made.

2328
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,560
Speaker 6: And we got a maide and and true master and

2329
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 6: Dirty got in a fistfight at the mastering session and

2330
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 6: if you look at the record, it says mastered by

2331
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 6: Tom the Referee Coin because Tom up got up and

2332
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 6: he he broke up the fight and he ended the

2333
01:55:58,440 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 6: mastering session and told me to come back the next

2334
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 6: without it.

2335
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 8: And so we were mastering the Hamilton record. If he

2336
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 8: told us this exact story, you know, Tom Coin is

2337
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 8: a G. Tom Coin, He's a G.

2338
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 6: Yes, I love that man.

2339
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 8: Shoes ready to go golfing.

2340
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2341
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 6: Always, he's the least hip hop dude to master the

2342
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 6: most hip hop.

2343
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:20,680
Speaker 2: Tom coins story of.

2344
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 1: Tom told me the story of how when he mastered

2345
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 1: only Built for Cuban linkx uh, they stopped at mint

2346
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: Master and said, yo, we got to put some some

2347
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 1: killer h interludes on here from the movie The Killer,

2348
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:41,200
Speaker 1: but none of them had uh you know, the technology

2349
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 1: wasn't out back then to go on the internet.

2350
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 2: So they're like, wait, I'll bear it back.

2351
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run to i'mna run to the Allen and

2352
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: get my KILLO tape and Tom Coins like well, He's

2353
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:53,400
Speaker 1: like they left for four hours, came back, got the

2354
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 1: Killer tape, but there's no television.

2355
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 2: To watch it, so they just had a BCR with

2356
01:56:58,280 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 2: no TV. They hook it up and they start acting

2357
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 2: out the entire movie. They literally act out the entire movie.

2358
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 2: Tom Coin recorded. He's like, all right, what part do

2359
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:12,280
Speaker 2: we use? He's like, oh, wait, started again from the top,

2360
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 2: so then wow.

2361
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 1: So then he's like, all right, I'm gonna take notes.

2362
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 1: And after a while they drifted off, stopped taking notes,

2363
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: and it was like it was ill the Seen God.

2364
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 1: And then it got to the end and Tom Coin's like, okay,

2365
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: you guys have your notes. It's like, ah, man, damn

2366
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: play it one more time. He had to play the

2367
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Killer three times in a row.

2368
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 6: P Rock showed up, did the interludes on a made

2369
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 6: ingredient with his twelve hundred, and did him in the

2370
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 6: studio really out of it right to mastering right there later,

2371
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:43,160
Speaker 6: right there, that incredible whole joint. He did that right there. Ah,

2372
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 6: So y'all gotta add this Tom Coin game. That looked

2373
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 6: like you again, Tom Coin. Man, he's a master of patience.

2374
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:53,800
Speaker 6: I've seen so many of my records and he was

2375
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 6: always my dude.

2376
01:57:55,400 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 2: I've seen old dirty pro tools and it's a mystery

2377
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 2: on how that just to hear it in its naked form,

2378
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 2: especially with his vocals. There's at least eight or nine

2379
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 2: tracks the.

2380
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:16,720
Speaker 6: Punches, I mean like you can hear them like totally.

2381
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 6: I mean in all the bultangs, like.

2382
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:22,160
Speaker 2: There's a Brooklyn zoo where the and I'm trying to

2383
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:25,080
Speaker 2: figure out how did you cut? How did y'all cut

2384
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:25,640
Speaker 2: in pieces? Right?

2385
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 6: So shimmy, shimmy. I tried to get him to do

2386
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:30,160
Speaker 6: a second verse for months.

2387
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:33,839
Speaker 2: He would not do it. He was like backwards.

2388
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 6: He did it backwards, and I walked in the studio

2389
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 6: said yo, I did shimmy shimmy, and he played it

2390
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:41,600
Speaker 6: and I was like you mother, and then he was like,

2391
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 6: yoq tube did it. I was like, oh my god.

2392
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:46,120
Speaker 6: He's like yeah. I was like, that's not Oh my god.

2393
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 6: He's like, whatever, my shirt's gonna knock.

2394
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 2: He was right, he was right as let me tell

2395
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 2: you something.

2396
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 6: Those records like they still hold up and and there's

2397
01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 6: a real oh also Brooklyn Zoo So drums, I couldn't

2398
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 6: get the drums sound and right, and I chopped up

2399
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 6: the Brethren and I put the kick in snare in there,

2400
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 6: and Rison never knew He's yeah, I just put the

2401
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:08,160
Speaker 6: kick in snare in there because I couldn't get the

2402
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 6: drums to sound right. So if you listen to a

2403
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 6: close you clearly hear the Brethren snare in there by

2404
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 6: the Brethren, which you know it's been in hundreds of

2405
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:18,360
Speaker 6: records I made.

2406
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 2: So why did you after that record? Then? Why did

2407
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:22,200
Speaker 2: you leave?

2408
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 6: Electra silver Rowe was my boss and and and I

2409
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:29,920
Speaker 6: don't think she necessarily liked me. I can't say that

2410
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 6: she was a fan of Dante Ross. And you know what,

2411
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 6: I can't blame her.

2412
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:38,760
Speaker 2: I was I was. I was.

2413
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 6: It was a wild style. You know, you couldn't tell

2414
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 6: me a lot, and you know I was living a

2415
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 6: crazy life.

2416
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 2: And she didn't care about your reputation or your legacy.

2417
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 6: Nah, she didn't care about that. She she probably wanted

2418
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 6: like she might have wanted to just get me out

2419
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 6: to own my legacy because I because I signed Missy too,

2420
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 6: and Buster will tell you that. So I did a

2421
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 6: deal with Davante Swing and she hated that deal. So

2422
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:05,000
Speaker 6: she dropped Missy when she was in Sister and signed

2423
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,680
Speaker 6: her again. But but I had signed her the first time,

2424
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:09,800
Speaker 6: and she was like, this deal is bullshit. You know,

2425
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 6: what do you know about R and B? And she

2426
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 6: would really like talk. She was very belittling to me

2427
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 6: and meetings and.

2428
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, how does how does she negate your

2429
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 2: deal for the label? But then restructure is the deal

2430
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:24,800
Speaker 2: for the label?

2431
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 6: Like I mean she did, but wouldn't she bringing Missy

2432
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:32,320
Speaker 6: to the she got she she didn't sign, by the way.

2433
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 6: It took a year later or two. But that said,

2434
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:38,000
Speaker 6: and Missy was like, yo, you I know you're the

2435
02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:40,720
Speaker 6: person really signed. She always held me that and it

2436
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 6: was just like a bustle will tell you that it

2437
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,160
Speaker 6: was just a bugged out period and and so we're

2438
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 6: making a second Dell record and she wanted him to

2439
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 6: work with Tremaine dupre and on.

2440
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 2: The second and it was.

2441
02:00:55,880 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 6: Bad vibe. It was bad vibes and she wasn't feeling me,

2442
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:03,720
Speaker 6: and and you know, I tried to hold my tongue,

2443
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 6: but I'm not good at that. And Chris Lighty. So

2444
02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:10,480
Speaker 6: Chris Lighty was like, Yo, she's not feeling you. One

2445
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,000
Speaker 6: day we went to dinner and I was like, you're right.

2446
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 6: He's like, come work over at deaf Jam. So I took.

2447
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 6: I got a deal over at deaf Jam for an

2448
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:20,040
Speaker 6: astronomical amount of money, and deaf Jam went g funk

2449
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 6: and they didn't give a fuck about me. I signed

2450
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 6: Trigger the Gambler and that was it. Wow, that was

2451
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:27,840
Speaker 6: the only thing I ever signed. I helped on the

2452
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 6: Nutty Professor. I was miserable, but paid paid, and I

2453
02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:39,720
Speaker 6: linked up with Everlast and we made White for Things

2454
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:43,320
Speaker 6: of Blues on Deaf Jam's done. Deft Jam was paying

2455
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:44,760
Speaker 6: me and I never went to work, and I went

2456
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:47,200
Speaker 6: to California. I moved to LA and made the record

2457
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:50,560
Speaker 6: with with Everlast and sold a lot of records, and

2458
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 6: that was.

2459
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 2: One of the most surprising comebacks.

2460
02:01:53,320 --> 02:01:55,200
Speaker 6: He talked to me for like a year over there.

2461
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 6: She's like, I hate you. He gave Tom Silhiman the

2462
02:01:57,200 --> 02:01:58,840
Speaker 6: biggest record. I gave you eight h and fifty thousand

2463
02:01:58,840 --> 02:02:02,080
Speaker 6: dollars give me nothing, wow. And I was like, you

2464
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 6: were from Warren g Lamb Man, you fucking the South

2465
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:08,280
Speaker 6: Central Cartel. Yeah, And I'll tell you I was so

2466
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,920
Speaker 6: disgusted with rap music at that point in my life. Like,

2467
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:16,200
Speaker 6: I was so disgusted by where it was that I

2468
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:20,480
Speaker 6: was listening to Radiohead and Massive Attack and DJ Shadow

2469
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 6: and you know whatever, Oasis and and all kinds of

2470
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:26,240
Speaker 6: rock music. I grew up, you know, like I was

2471
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:29,200
Speaker 6: a teenage punk rocker, so I had an affinity for

2472
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 6: that stuff. I played drums a little bit, and I

2473
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 6: just like, you know, we were our minds were in

2474
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:36,600
Speaker 6: different places. I was in the sound Garden, I wasn't

2475
02:02:36,640 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 6: really like, I wasn't juiced on where hip hop was.

2476
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 6: I didn't like Foxy Brown straight up and the puff stuff.

2477
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:44,400
Speaker 6: I liked it when I was in the club, but

2478
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 6: I didn't I didn't care for you know, it wasn't

2479
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 6: it wasn't going on life. It didn't speak the culture

2480
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:54,080
Speaker 6: to me at that time. It spoke another culture and

2481
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 6: hats off the puff respect And I like those records

2482
02:02:57,600 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 6: a lot more in retrospect now, but when they were out,

2483
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:01,200
Speaker 6: I like them in the club when I'm trying to

2484
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:02,920
Speaker 6: dance with the chick. But I didn't want to live

2485
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 6: those records, so you know, I wanted to something else.

2486
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 2: Wow, I followed my heart. Did you have anything to

2487
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 2: do with the Everlast solo record that came out in

2488
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 2: ninety five before the Whitey four?

2489
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:15,400
Speaker 6: No, but I know him. I met him with Dayla

2490
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 6: the but it didn't come out in ninety five.

2491
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 2: That was the one that was the knack I got that.

2492
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:22,960
Speaker 2: I got the neck in sending No no, I'm talking

2493
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:27,040
Speaker 2: about there was. It was Guru ever Last and the

2494
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:29,200
Speaker 2: Big Crew.

2495
02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:29,280
Speaker 13: The.

2496
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:32,600
Speaker 6: Gangstar Joint.

2497
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 2: Oh fed up, fed up?

2498
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:38,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but the remixes played the remix the remixes,

2499
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 6: the joint with the with the Jean Jock Perah fed.

2500
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:48,360
Speaker 2: What's that? Don't turn around to your back? I got

2501
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 2: the Great Town Board for you, chunked that act on

2502
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:54,560
Speaker 2: the ones bag and Jack's Pack and guns hacking. See

2503
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:59,240
Speaker 2: Guru dancing in the videos right there.

2504
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:02,680
Speaker 6: You know Peter Green is the actor he okay see

2505
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:03,600
Speaker 6: full fiction right?

2506
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:04,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

2507
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 6: Remember zed that kills me in that video?

2508
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 2: Wow?

2509
02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:15,200
Speaker 6: So so needless to say, I was in La with

2510
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 6: Saddat before I worked with Everlast. I got I managed Saddat.

2511
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:23,800
Speaker 6: I can't manage a fucking shoelace, but but I managed

2512
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:26,800
Speaker 6: Saddad and and I got him signed. Allow, we did

2513
02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 6: the Wild Cowboys. We're in La on tour or something,

2514
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:32,600
Speaker 6: and Guru came and he hung out with us, got drunk.

2515
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 6: He was in the hotel, the Mandre on and and

2516
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:36,920
Speaker 6: he was like, yo, you know my man ever Less

2517
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:38,360
Speaker 6: us A, yeah, I know him, little bit. He's cool,

2518
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 6: and he's like he's gonna come meet me. And then

2519
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:42,520
Speaker 6: he's like, yall two motherfuckers are like the same, dude,

2520
02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:44,600
Speaker 6: you need to hang out. And I was like word

2521
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:47,320
Speaker 6: and And what I didn't tell him was that mugs

2522
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:50,200
Speaker 6: and then and Eric knew this. They never wanted us

2523
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:51,640
Speaker 6: to hang out together because we were both threw a

2524
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:54,280
Speaker 6: wild back then and the chances of someone getting arrestled

2525
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:58,160
Speaker 6: were pretty high. So me and him know, we linked up,

2526
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:00,240
Speaker 6: and then Sadat did the record with him him for

2527
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 6: that album was.

2528
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:02,680
Speaker 2: That The Heart Full of Sorrow?

2529
02:05:02,840 --> 02:05:03,040
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2530
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:03,480
Speaker 2: I love that.

2531
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:05,000
Speaker 6: That was a hot record and I went out there

2532
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:07,200
Speaker 6: with them when they did it, and we just linked.

2533
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:08,680
Speaker 6: We went to the super Bowl the guy yeah, and

2534
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 6: it was like I met my twin brother. I was like, Oh,

2535
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:13,800
Speaker 6: he's just like me. And then we stayed tight and

2536
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:15,000
Speaker 6: we ended up doing that record.

2537
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 11: So so I have a question, how did how did

2538
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:22,960
Speaker 11: the the I guess the genre switch happened forever last night?

2539
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:25,200
Speaker 6: So, like I said, we were really disgusted with the

2540
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:27,880
Speaker 6: state of rap music, right, so you know, we we

2541
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 6: liked the aggressive rap music, right, and aggressive rap music

2542
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 6: wasn't really winning right then, you know, Like so he's

2543
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 6: a soul assassin and and that's the kind of music

2544
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:38,080
Speaker 6: he liked, and we were listening to a lot of

2545
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:40,520
Speaker 6: all kinds of shit like Neil you know, I love

2546
02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 6: Neil Young. Like I said earlier, my mom was into

2547
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:45,480
Speaker 6: singer songwriter stuff, Neil Young and Bob Dylan, Fan Morse

2548
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 6: and so I grew up with that around me kind of,

2549
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:50,040
Speaker 6: and and so did he because he's he's around my age,

2550
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:52,280
Speaker 6: a little younger, and uh, I had we were in

2551
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:54,600
Speaker 6: the studio, we're working on a rap record, and we

2552
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:56,920
Speaker 6: did the song dollar Bill, the one with him in

2553
02:05:57,160 --> 02:06:03,000
Speaker 6: X and we did the We did another version of Ends,

2554
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:06,680
Speaker 6: I was a rap version, and then we did I

2555
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:09,400
Speaker 6: think we did the song a Letter, and we were

2556
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:11,640
Speaker 6: making a rap record. And I had a guitar. I

2557
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:14,080
Speaker 6: had a guitar and I played guitar a little, a

2558
02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:16,320
Speaker 6: little bit. I play a couple of a CDC songs

2559
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:19,000
Speaker 6: and I had an acoustic like a hummingbird in my

2560
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 6: studio and he picked it up and he was like, Yo,

2561
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 6: can I take this back to the pad he was

2562
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 6: staying with me. I said yeah, whatever, So he went

2563
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:28,480
Speaker 6: to my house and he, uh, yo, this is the best.

2564
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:30,640
Speaker 6: He always tells his story. I can't tell it as

2565
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 6: good as him. So back then I was like, I

2566
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:39,320
Speaker 6: was just I was smashing everything in sight. I was

2567
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,200
Speaker 6: just I was on one. So I was a young man.

2568
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:45,600
Speaker 6: So I had this chick in my house in my

2569
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 6: room and I literally heard him playing what It's Like

2570
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:52,200
Speaker 6: and I ran out my boxer shorts and I was like, Yo,

2571
02:06:52,440 --> 02:07:00,320
Speaker 6: you need to record that ship. I finished my It's

2572
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:02,680
Speaker 6: crazy too because I never messed with white girls back then.

2573
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:04,840
Speaker 6: I always remember It's like I remember it because when

2574
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:07,400
Speaker 6: homegirl came over. He said you said, he said, Yode,

2575
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 6: what do you He was like, Yode, what's open that.

2576
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:10,440
Speaker 6: I was like, sometimes you gott to fuck with the

2577
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:16,120
Speaker 6: home team because because you know, if you know me,

2578
02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:18,400
Speaker 6: I mess with I mess with the Spanish mommy's and

2579
02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:19,240
Speaker 6: the Asian girls, so.

2580
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 2: So so perfect.

2581
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:26,280
Speaker 6: So man, I heard them play the record and I

2582
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:27,880
Speaker 6: was like, we got to record that. He's like, I

2583
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 6: don't know. And the next day I was on him again,

2584
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 6: you gotta play that.

2585
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:32,120
Speaker 2: And that was him actually playing the guitar.

2586
02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:34,000
Speaker 6: He was playing that song and singing it and and

2587
02:07:34,440 --> 02:07:36,120
Speaker 6: and I said, play me the song again next morning

2588
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:38,000
Speaker 6: because it'd stuck in my head. And he was like,

2589
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:39,320
Speaker 6: he played again. I said, yo, we got to record.

2590
02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:40,800
Speaker 6: They said, I'm not ready to do that. Once I

2591
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:42,560
Speaker 6: do that, I can't ever do what I do now.

2592
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:43,840
Speaker 6: I said, now you can do everything. He said, I

2593
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,680
Speaker 6: don't want to do it. I said, yo, you should

2594
02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:47,920
Speaker 6: do it. He didn't want to do it. So I

2595
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:50,400
Speaker 6: told him for two days straight, you gotta do it,

2596
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:52,800
Speaker 6: you gotta do it. He I said, bring the guitar

2597
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:55,320
Speaker 6: back to the studio. So I was I was being

2598
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:57,600
Speaker 6: a producer. So he brought the guitar back. I said, yo,

2599
02:07:57,640 --> 02:07:59,560
Speaker 6: play that song. Play it from my engineer. He played

2600
02:07:59,560 --> 02:08:01,600
Speaker 6: for John gay Amble gambles like that shit is fire.

2601
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:04,200
Speaker 6: I said yeah. What he didn't know was I had

2602
02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:07,120
Speaker 6: the La fayete for rock drums hooked up already. I said, yeah,

2603
02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:10,160
Speaker 6: play that played. I hit the hit the MP bonk

2604
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:12,720
Speaker 6: drums I had hit it on. He played it right too.

2605
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:14,600
Speaker 6: I said, that's it, that's the song, and he was

2606
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:16,360
Speaker 6: like really. I said we're going to record that tomorrow

2607
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:20,480
Speaker 6: and recorded the next day. First pass of his vocals

2608
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:22,840
Speaker 6: is that version that made it to the record because

2609
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:25,800
Speaker 6: I recorded on a sixteen track tape machine, a task

2610
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:29,080
Speaker 6: scam that I had at MS sixteen right a one

2611
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:32,640
Speaker 6: inch sixteen, so we could never find that machine again.

2612
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:38,160
Speaker 6: I literally couldn't overdub when I took the tape la.

2613
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:40,680
Speaker 6: We couldn't find a machine, so I took it in

2614
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:42,680
Speaker 6: transfer to a two inch, but we just used the

2615
02:08:42,760 --> 02:08:44,919
Speaker 6: vocals over there and then we added to strings.

2616
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:49,320
Speaker 2: That was that. So when the song hit, and really.

2617
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:52,320
Speaker 6: Dude, it hit six months after it came out the

2618
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,640
Speaker 6: What It's Like, What It's Like? It was we thought

2619
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:56,760
Speaker 6: we were gonna We thought we were over. We sold

2620
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:01,000
Speaker 6: thirty eight hundred copies the first week that album wow

2621
02:09:01,400 --> 02:09:04,480
Speaker 6: so and Steve Rifkin had given me a job. Steve

2622
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:07,160
Speaker 6: Rifkin loved Steve Rifkin. Always had a check for me,

2623
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:11,640
Speaker 6: always had a consulting gig, always, always, always, always.

2624
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:11,880
Speaker 2: Check for me.

2625
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:13,840
Speaker 6: He wanted me to work a loud. I was gonna

2626
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:16,760
Speaker 6: be the first president UH vice president allowed a and

2627
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:19,320
Speaker 6: or departmer. I didn't do it, but he always wanted

2628
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:20,480
Speaker 6: me to work with him. And I gave him the

2629
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:21,880
Speaker 6: album before it came out, and he was like, this

2630
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 6: is the best thing you've ever done in your whole life.

2631
02:09:24,680 --> 02:09:27,000
Speaker 6: And when it sold thirty eight hundred copies the first week,

2632
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:28,760
Speaker 6: he called me up. He's like, I want to call

2633
02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:30,520
Speaker 6: Tom Silverman right now and try and buy the record.

2634
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:32,640
Speaker 6: And I was like, he's not gonna sell to He's like, well,

2635
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:34,880
Speaker 6: I'm going to see and and I don't know if

2636
02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:37,000
Speaker 6: you ever made that call, but the record stumbled out

2637
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:39,840
Speaker 6: the gate. He went on the road and actually the

2638
02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 6: first show he did in New York was at Conan

2639
02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:47,040
Speaker 6: Allen Hine Saint Mark's Place, and he killed it. And

2640
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:51,480
Speaker 6: I want to say John Perells or John Leland. Sometimes

2641
02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 6: someone named John who wrote for The Times was there

2642
02:09:55,200 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 6: and he gave it a stellar, stunning review and keep

2643
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:02,839
Speaker 6: going on and on and on the end in Seattle

2644
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:05,520
Speaker 6: started playing the record, which is like the k Rock

2645
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:09,400
Speaker 6: of Seattle Indicator station, and because of that, k Rock

2646
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 6: started playing it and almost by accident, that record became

2647
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:15,680
Speaker 6: his song. And it was six months. I remember the

2648
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:19,120
Speaker 6: week going into Christmas, I saw Jeff Finster and he

2649
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:23,160
Speaker 6: sold He said, you sold seventy thousand albums this week, Nante,

2650
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:26,400
Speaker 6: and I was like really. He's like yeah, He's like

2651
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:28,840
Speaker 6: that record is a huge record. And I was like,

2652
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:29,480
Speaker 6: thanks Jeff.

2653
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:34,280
Speaker 2: And that was that. Wow. That record was everywhere. Yeah, yeah,

2654
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:36,960
Speaker 2: Wow was on VH one. They used to play it.

2655
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:38,960
Speaker 6: Bought me in my house. That's why I bought my house.

2656
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 6: Wow from that and I got a big publishing deal

2657
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:42,920
Speaker 6: and blah blah blah.

2658
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:46,480
Speaker 2: So Vence is sweet, say if the Ross.

2659
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:50,160
Speaker 6: I remember, this is great. I saw Leon Russell and

2660
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:53,840
Speaker 6: Leo said, I am not fucking with you still and

2661
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:57,160
Speaker 6: and Russell said, Leon, stopped being a dick, Yo, I

2662
02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 6: love you, d congratulations and Leo he was like, stop

2663
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:02,680
Speaker 6: being a dick. And he was like you're right. I'm

2664
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:03,200
Speaker 6: happy for you.

2665
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:08,560
Speaker 1: I love everyone like I know no one in this

2666
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:11,360
Speaker 1: industry that doesn't have their version of what they think.

2667
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:13,200
Speaker 6: That's your yours.

2668
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:16,360
Speaker 2: No, I mean I'm scared.

2669
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:16,680
Speaker 5: No.

2670
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:21,880
Speaker 2: But my relationship it's different. He says, you have to

2671
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,760
Speaker 2: DJ for it this again, like my my, my leeor

2672
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:28,080
Speaker 2: thing is I always DJ for uh?

2673
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:28,960
Speaker 4: His?

2674
02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:29,680
Speaker 5: Uh?

2675
02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:31,360
Speaker 2: I guess his then wife.

2676
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 6: Tory, Yeah, Tory, his wife is lady married.

2677
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:38,160
Speaker 2: They never married. Okay, I still don't know if they're

2678
02:11:38,240 --> 02:11:39,920
Speaker 2: item or not. That's how much I'm out of it.

2679
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:42,320
Speaker 6: He gave me my job that I kind of have

2680
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:45,520
Speaker 6: now at her house on a Saturday afternoon, like I

2681
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:47,320
Speaker 6: love Lee or like that's my guy. I can't. I

2682
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:47,920
Speaker 6: can't front.

2683
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have good Lee or stories like I have

2684
02:11:52,080 --> 02:11:52,840
Speaker 2: a long.

2685
02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:55,240
Speaker 6: Very complicated relationship with them.

2686
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:55,800
Speaker 2: But I love.

2687
02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:57,320
Speaker 6: Well.

2688
02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:00,640
Speaker 2: You didn't put like hot pep is on the tune

2689
02:12:00,640 --> 02:12:01,760
Speaker 2: in fish sandwich or like.

2690
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 6: Definitely he threw many sandwiches at the back of my head,

2691
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:05,800
Speaker 6: you stupid fuck.

2692
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:10,000
Speaker 2: I just want one classic story of like God, just one,

2693
02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:11,480
Speaker 2: all right?

2694
02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:14,960
Speaker 6: So I worked there, I went out one night drink

2695
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:18,400
Speaker 6: a lot, and I used to fight a lot and

2696
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:20,800
Speaker 6: Hank Shockley and me edwards. He slapped me in the

2697
02:12:20,840 --> 02:12:23,880
Speaker 6: back of my head and I dropped him, and then

2698
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:26,520
Speaker 6: his brother Keith ran over and my man, this Albanian

2699
02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:34,760
Speaker 6: kid snuffed him and then flashed the gun I'm thinking of, like,

2700
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:36,120
Speaker 6: I found this record in.

2701
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 2: And I went back to it.

2702
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:47,600
Speaker 6: Russell was there and he was like, you stupid motherfucker.

2703
02:12:48,120 --> 02:12:49,720
Speaker 6: He said that man makes hits for me.

2704
02:12:50,280 --> 02:12:51,280
Speaker 2: What the fuck do you do?

2705
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 6: I said, I'm sorry. He's like, yeah, right. And on

2706
02:12:55,120 --> 02:12:56,560
Speaker 6: Monday he called me to his house and I thought

2707
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:57,920
Speaker 6: I was getting fired and he was like, yo, you're

2708
02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:00,440
Speaker 6: lucky I love you because I should fire you. And

2709
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:04,160
Speaker 6: I kept my job and Griff called me up at work.

2710
02:13:04,520 --> 02:13:06,480
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, motherfuckers want to come see you.

2711
02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 6: Who was the kid?

2712
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:07,720
Speaker 2: Who?

2713
02:13:07,720 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 6: Who was the Puerto Rican kid who snuffed Keith? And

2714
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:11,720
Speaker 6: I was like, you don't want to know him. And

2715
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:13,480
Speaker 6: that kid who did that later on went to jail

2716
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:18,880
Speaker 6: for murder. He was a wild Umanian kid on the Armando. Wow,

2717
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 6: that's a deaf jam story.

2718
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:20,600
Speaker 2: And then there's.

2719
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:25,920
Speaker 6: One one time me and Jam assad Jay, you know,

2720
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:28,960
Speaker 6: me and DMC. We're at the show at the World

2721
02:13:29,480 --> 02:13:33,240
Speaker 6: Davy DMX and Public Enemy where the performers opening night

2722
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:36,880
Speaker 6: and they had these pained windows and DMCs to wear

2723
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:40,680
Speaker 6: a uh ring, an old English ring, and he was

2724
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 6: punching panes of the windows, breaking them and I said

2725
02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:46,600
Speaker 6: I could do that, and he said do it. And

2726
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:48,560
Speaker 6: I did it once and I broke one and he

2727
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:50,280
Speaker 6: did it. He broke another one. I did another one.

2728
02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 6: I cut my finger up and I had to get stitches.

2729
02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:53,480
Speaker 6: I still get the scar on my day, right on

2730
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:58,040
Speaker 6: my finger wow, from punching windows with them. Who drove

2731
02:13:58,160 --> 02:14:04,440
Speaker 6: me to the hospital left me there and I don't know, man,

2732
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:06,160
Speaker 6: there's a million stories like you know. That was a

2733
02:14:06,200 --> 02:14:09,040
Speaker 6: wild time in my life, but it was super duper fun.

2734
02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:10,800
Speaker 6: And I met after and I remember when I met

2735
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:13,280
Speaker 6: Chuck D there. I had his demo before he came

2736
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:15,480
Speaker 6: out for months, and I didn't believe he was Chuck

2737
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:17,440
Speaker 6: D because he wasn't big enough to be Chuck D.

2738
02:14:18,200 --> 02:14:20,520
Speaker 2: Oh you have this giant Yeah, I thought he was

2739
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:22,480
Speaker 2: like six ft nine figures here.

2740
02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:24,320
Speaker 6: It's like, wait, you're Chuck D. He's like yeah. I

2741
02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:26,320
Speaker 6: was like, no, you're not. And he was Chuck D.

2742
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:35,120
Speaker 2: That's crazy, all right. The blind test, all right, what

2743
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 2: we do is we play you songs and you give

2744
02:14:39,320 --> 02:14:41,960
Speaker 2: have to be blind. No, no, no, it's like downbeat.

2745
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:45,920
Speaker 1: We'll randomly play you stuff that's significant to your career

2746
02:14:46,200 --> 02:14:48,800
Speaker 1: or you know, just to get your taste on things, and.

2747
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:53,760
Speaker 2: We'll rate that record. Uh not, you don't have to

2748
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:58,040
Speaker 2: rate it, just talk about it all right. This one

2749
02:14:58,080 --> 02:15:00,320
Speaker 2: should be very interesting. We'll see. I'm that you know

2750
02:15:00,360 --> 02:15:01,280
Speaker 2: about your own history.

2751
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:10,360
Speaker 6: Oh that's Homeboys. Shit, I didn't even know that. That

2752
02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:12,360
Speaker 6: ol't me. Notice is Dirty's Joint?

2753
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:14,640
Speaker 2: Did you know at the time it was?

2754
02:15:14,680 --> 02:15:15,040
Speaker 6: I didn't.

2755
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:17,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know it to just now you just figured

2756
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:17,840
Speaker 2: out right now.

2757
02:15:17,880 --> 02:15:19,160
Speaker 6: I just heard it right now, it's like, oh, that's

2758
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:21,040
Speaker 6: dirty Joint. I didn't even know. I never knew that.

2759
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably the greatest sample revealed.

2760
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:26,760
Speaker 6: I no idea.

2761
02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:29,800
Speaker 2: I'll give a shout out to Jay Rock for.

2762
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:41,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, like, wow, I had no idea exactly the thousands

2763
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:43,760
Speaker 6: of times and I'm a Stevie Wonder fanatic.

2764
02:15:44,240 --> 02:15:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knew?

2765
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:46,200
Speaker 6: That's wild.

2766
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:50,040
Speaker 2: I hope the lawyers don't call that's a beautiful it's.

2767
02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:53,080
Speaker 6: A beautiful record. They're gonna go catch Risen.

2768
02:15:53,160 --> 02:16:01,920
Speaker 2: Now, Wow, how how would you did you negotiate with

2769
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:05,560
Speaker 2: the artists that you have to remix everything on their

2770
02:16:05,640 --> 02:16:07,360
Speaker 2: records or you just did just kind of did it.

2771
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:09,600
Speaker 6: I was like, I'll just go remixes and they'd be like, oh,

2772
02:16:09,640 --> 02:16:11,800
Speaker 6: that's cool, we'll put it out and they didn't care. Nah,

2773
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:13,360
Speaker 6: because I would do them like I would just grab

2774
02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:13,920
Speaker 6: bag of polls.

2775
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:14,440
Speaker 2: I just do them.

2776
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:16,640
Speaker 6: I literally would sit there with the vocals and I

2777
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 6: would fuck I would sample them line by line by line.

2778
02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:22,160
Speaker 6: How crazy is that?

2779
02:16:22,240 --> 02:16:23,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's my question. How did you keep it

2780
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:25,600
Speaker 5: in time? Because I mean it wasn't pro tous, you

2781
02:16:25,640 --> 02:16:26,800
Speaker 5: couldn't line it up.

2782
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:28,040
Speaker 6: Time stretched a little though.

2783
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh really, even even with tape.

2784
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:32,720
Speaker 6: With I'd make sure whatever I made was the same tempo.

2785
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:37,440
Speaker 2: Ah, okay, gotcha. Do you remember the first digital record

2786
02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:40,760
Speaker 2: you did? The first recording, White Ford Things Blues. That

2787
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:43,440
Speaker 2: was the first one, okay, and then after that.

2788
02:16:43,520 --> 02:16:45,959
Speaker 6: Everything Meryl Caldato told me I had to get up

2789
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:49,880
Speaker 6: on digital recording, and he actually, yeah, And when I

2790
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:51,800
Speaker 6: started the second ever last record, I had a little

2791
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:53,120
Speaker 6: bit of knowledge and I wanted to hung out with

2792
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:55,600
Speaker 6: Mario and he just taught me everything, and he was like,

2793
02:16:55,640 --> 02:16:57,040
Speaker 6: here's what we gotta do, here's what you gotta do

2794
02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:59,120
Speaker 6: good because I had I had a I had an

2795
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:01,320
Speaker 6: aid that moment on the first Whitey Foy record that

2796
02:17:01,959 --> 02:17:06,360
Speaker 6: made me cry. I lost background vocals, like eight tracks

2797
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:09,360
Speaker 6: of background vocals. I had to do again, and I

2798
02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:10,680
Speaker 6: literally like was crying.

2799
02:17:11,200 --> 02:17:14,840
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, we're gonna give you your second.

2800
02:17:16,320 --> 02:17:20,280
Speaker 1: Blind test song, Sir Dante Ross right here, of course,

2801
02:17:20,560 --> 02:17:22,879
Speaker 1: mister yes, mister Dante Ross.

2802
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:26,720
Speaker 2: I know what that is.

2803
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:31,520
Speaker 6: That's mc a andi, that's drum machine. I remember when

2804
02:17:31,520 --> 02:17:34,640
Speaker 6: they made that. That ship was crazy right there.

2805
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:37,160
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about the history of the Latin

2806
02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:38,320
Speaker 2: rascals or it's just I do.

2807
02:17:38,520 --> 02:17:42,080
Speaker 6: I knew those guys. I you know, I know a

2808
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:43,040
Speaker 6: lot about freestyle.

2809
02:17:48,959 --> 02:17:55,680
Speaker 2: M Yeah, this why this song never took off on

2810
02:17:55,760 --> 02:17:56,640
Speaker 2: death Jam, I'll never know.

2811
02:17:56,760 --> 02:18:00,840
Speaker 6: Yeah right, it's bugged out Budi. He was Brazius guy

2812
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:03,000
Speaker 6: Jay Burnett. He was one of one of the engineers

2813
02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:05,600
Speaker 6: at Chun King and and the Beasties well Mike and

2814
02:18:05,720 --> 02:18:09,880
Speaker 6: Ad Mike and MCA lived in his building on Christie Street,

2815
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:13,120
Speaker 6: sixty nine Christie Street with the Chinese whole house in

2816
02:18:13,160 --> 02:18:14,119
Speaker 6: the in the first floor.

2817
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:18,160
Speaker 2: They called us sixty nine kids. When was the significance

2818
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:18,360
Speaker 2: of it.

2819
02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:20,280
Speaker 6: There was Club sixty nine. It was right there, sixty

2820
02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:22,720
Speaker 6: nine Christian Street, and his dad, this Chinese gangster who

2821
02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:25,520
Speaker 6: was the landlord. He was like, your boy's never come

2822
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:27,800
Speaker 6: to the club. Plus it's nine, come on, come on,

2823
02:18:27,879 --> 02:18:30,480
Speaker 6: hang out. And we would always we'd always make fun

2824
02:18:30,480 --> 02:18:32,320
Speaker 6: of him. He'd always do his voice. And it was

2825
02:18:32,720 --> 02:18:34,840
Speaker 6: this place that was like basically there's a whole house

2826
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:38,840
Speaker 6: on the first floor, the Chinese club, and and it

2827
02:18:38,959 --> 02:18:44,080
Speaker 6: was like what do they call fucking uh sweatshops? So

2828
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:46,400
Speaker 6: they can make as much noise as they wanted in

2829
02:18:46,480 --> 02:18:49,040
Speaker 6: this fucked up loft that had rats that they lived in.

2830
02:18:49,360 --> 02:18:51,360
Speaker 6: And Brazudi lived in the building too. He got them

2831
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:54,200
Speaker 6: I think the apartment and and it was like they

2832
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:56,800
Speaker 6: could practice her all the time. Brazudi lived upstairs. And

2833
02:18:56,959 --> 02:19:00,400
Speaker 6: he was friends with Steve at and Steve Steve and

2834
02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:03,520
Speaker 6: and obviously Rick and everybody. And he made the record

2835
02:19:03,560 --> 02:19:06,200
Speaker 6: with with m c A and Russ. Rick put it

2836
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:07,959
Speaker 6: out and they never won anywhere, but it was an

2837
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:11,640
Speaker 6: ill record and uh yeah, he programmed it, he did

2838
02:19:11,680 --> 02:19:14,000
Speaker 6: everything on it, and mc A just wrote the raps

2839
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:14,600
Speaker 6: and did the raps.

2840
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:18,040
Speaker 2: That same Stevett ended up doing bigger and Deffer. They

2841
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:19,360
Speaker 2: did everything that he did. Back then.

2842
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:21,840
Speaker 6: It was Rick's guy, Steve Vett. He died to rust

2843
02:19:21,879 --> 02:19:22,199
Speaker 6: in peace.

2844
02:19:22,760 --> 02:19:23,920
Speaker 2: Steve had passed away.

2845
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:27,800
Speaker 6: Long time ago. What long long time ago? Stevett? Hat

2846
02:19:28,320 --> 02:19:31,080
Speaker 6: I mean he is you know his engineering man. Just

2847
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,960
Speaker 6: think about great the Beasties record sounds, and how great

2848
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:36,720
Speaker 6: Raising Hell sounds. He was a beast ll he's a beast.

2849
02:19:37,720 --> 02:19:38,600
Speaker 6: He's a beast.

2850
02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:43,720
Speaker 2: Wow. I can't even imagine, Like at your tenure at

2851
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:47,840
Speaker 2: def jam Light, what was the one what was the

2852
02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:50,120
Speaker 2: your your your top moment of.

2853
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:53,600
Speaker 6: Like alert rebel without a pause. I gave him the

2854
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:55,680
Speaker 6: test pressing and he played it, Like.

2855
02:19:55,800 --> 02:19:57,840
Speaker 2: What was the reaction when you first heard that record play?

2856
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:00,280
Speaker 6: It was in a land quarters he played I hadn't

2857
02:20:00,320 --> 02:20:03,400
Speaker 6: really heard it, and he played it and he was like, Yo,

2858
02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:05,360
Speaker 6: this shit is ill. And he played it about forty

2859
02:20:05,400 --> 02:20:10,160
Speaker 6: five minutes later and the club jumped off crazy and

2860
02:20:10,520 --> 02:20:12,240
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, that's a hit record.

2861
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:14,520
Speaker 6: I was like, that's a hit record. Well. Another great

2862
02:20:14,600 --> 02:20:16,480
Speaker 6: memory of Deaf Jam is I tried to sign Boogie

2863
02:20:16,480 --> 02:20:19,840
Speaker 6: Down Productions, so I brought them in and it was

2864
02:20:20,480 --> 02:20:24,440
Speaker 6: Eric B. Was there rock him No, just Eric B.

2865
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:31,080
Speaker 6: Russell Leor and go, and Scottie Morris was there. I

2866
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:34,120
Speaker 6: think d was there, but he never remembers this. And

2867
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:36,800
Speaker 6: Carris Won was like, they were like, yo, we don't

2868
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:40,240
Speaker 6: want to be on deaf jam. Why Carris was like, yo,

2869
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:42,320
Speaker 6: I'm deaf. I don't need the deaf JAM. I already

2870
02:20:42,360 --> 02:20:44,640
Speaker 6: got that. Like he didn't want to fuck because he

2871
02:20:44,680 --> 02:20:47,960
Speaker 6: didn't trust them. He's he just was paranoid. So he

2872
02:20:47,959 --> 02:20:50,680
Speaker 6: didn't trust them and we didn't get them. And if

2873
02:20:50,760 --> 02:20:52,640
Speaker 6: you notice, he took shots.

2874
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:53,720
Speaker 2: He was always taking shots.

2875
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:56,000
Speaker 6: Run Run DMC. He took some shots and I think

2876
02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:57,920
Speaker 6: that had something to do with it too. You know,

2877
02:20:58,000 --> 02:20:59,480
Speaker 6: he didn't want to fuck with them, and he was

2878
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:01,440
Speaker 6: you know, he was all the Juice crew. He was

2879
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:03,360
Speaker 6: trying to just you know, he was ready to go out.

2880
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:05,120
Speaker 6: He was ready to whatever at any time.

2881
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,200
Speaker 2: But in his head he thought it was better to

2882
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:08,480
Speaker 2: be on Bee Boy Records.

2883
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:11,520
Speaker 6: Well then no, So here's what happened. They knew that

2884
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:13,760
Speaker 6: they could get out of the b Boy Records contract

2885
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:17,120
Speaker 6: that had been voided, so they were free agent kind of.

2886
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:21,520
Speaker 6: And and then Scott got killed. And then we had

2887
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:24,000
Speaker 6: another meeting with Karis One and he said I'm not

2888
02:21:24,080 --> 02:21:25,960
Speaker 6: really trying to sign it, but you should sign my

2889
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:28,640
Speaker 6: man D Nice and we didn't sign D Nice. Wow

2890
02:21:29,320 --> 02:21:31,120
Speaker 6: signed the job, and I remember there was a lot

2891
02:21:31,160 --> 02:21:32,960
Speaker 6: of confusion because George and the host was saying he

2892
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:35,040
Speaker 6: managed them and he didn't manage them. I think there

2893
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:36,080
Speaker 6: was a little problem over.

2894
02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:38,480
Speaker 1: That before I do the last record? Are there any

2895
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:40,520
Speaker 1: other near misses that you could have signed?

2896
02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:45,320
Speaker 6: So many dos effects I didn't sign it.

2897
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:47,800
Speaker 2: I had it series.

2898
02:21:48,120 --> 02:21:50,000
Speaker 6: The biggest miss I ever read was trib Call Quest.

2899
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:52,400
Speaker 6: I left my job at Tommy Boy with the intent

2900
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:55,240
Speaker 6: of signing trib Call Quest from Brand Nubian's and the

2901
02:21:55,320 --> 02:21:57,920
Speaker 6: DC at Electric Records, and I lost two out of

2902
02:21:58,000 --> 02:21:58,440
Speaker 6: three of them.

2903
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:01,400
Speaker 2: The DC doc you had a relationship with Dre to

2904
02:22:01,440 --> 02:22:02,800
Speaker 2: do that or Jerry Heller was in.

2905
02:22:02,879 --> 02:22:05,680
Speaker 6: My office with doctor Dre and Michell l a Easy

2906
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:07,800
Speaker 6: and they wanted to bring him there because they had

2907
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:10,000
Speaker 6: a song called Bridget that they wouldn't put out. If

2908
02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:12,120
Speaker 6: you've ever heard it, it's it's out there on the net.

2909
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:15,360
Speaker 6: It's a filthy record, It's amazing. Bridget was a dumb hope.

2910
02:22:15,400 --> 02:22:18,440
Speaker 6: Bridget was a dumb hold Bridget. I think the I

2911
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:20,760
Speaker 6: think she fucked the midget Bridget. It was wow, this

2912
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:22,920
Speaker 6: is a wild record. So and it's all about them

2913
02:22:22,959 --> 02:22:26,400
Speaker 6: running the train on her right and her and.

2914
02:22:26,879 --> 02:22:28,560
Speaker 2: How that Tommy Silverman.

2915
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:31,600
Speaker 6: So Tom didn't want to spend the money because we

2916
02:22:31,720 --> 02:22:33,959
Speaker 6: had it was one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars deal.

2917
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,560
Speaker 6: He didn't want to spend it. I went over to

2918
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:38,440
Speaker 6: work at Electro. I tried to get the deal but

2919
02:22:38,920 --> 02:22:40,840
Speaker 6: and they thought they could get out of East West deal.

2920
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:45,080
Speaker 6: My lawyer, Gary Cassen, said, we can't compete against one

2921
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:46,680
Speaker 6: of the labels in Warner Music Group. We can't go

2922
02:22:46,760 --> 02:22:49,000
Speaker 6: and do this. And my boss told me, Jerry Heller,

2923
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:51,720
Speaker 6: don't trust that guy. I remember him told me that

2924
02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:54,760
Speaker 6: he's like, he's not trustworthy. And and when I read

2925
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:57,000
Speaker 6: Jerry's book, he told the story and omitted me from

2926
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:59,040
Speaker 6: the story and told a bullshit version of it. But

2927
02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:02,120
Speaker 6: that's okay because Jerry Heller's Jerry Heller, right, And I

2928
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:04,880
Speaker 6: have no, no, you know, bad feelings for him. But

2929
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:08,000
Speaker 6: he didn't tell the truth and and I didn't sign

2930
02:23:08,040 --> 02:23:11,400
Speaker 6: that and Tribe I had three hundred thousand dollars, which

2931
02:23:11,440 --> 02:23:13,520
Speaker 6: was a gang a loot on the table back then

2932
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:15,280
Speaker 6: it was and I think I went up to three

2933
02:23:15,360 --> 02:23:19,800
Speaker 6: seventy five and they signed a jive and they came

2934
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:25,039
Speaker 6: up after publishing. Oh, they didn't know the game back then.

2935
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:27,560
Speaker 6: And Chris lightighty for years, I'd be like, you could

2936
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:31,199
Speaker 6: have kept your publishing and that should have been my group,

2937
02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:35,680
Speaker 6: and yikes, I have a long intricate history with those guys.

2938
02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:38,960
Speaker 6: And yeah, I mean it was like me and Chris,

2939
02:23:39,240 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 6: you know, remained very close friends throughout all of that.

2940
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:45,000
Speaker 6: And those were bands that I lost. There's some others

2941
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:48,520
Speaker 6: along the way. I lost stuff recently, even that did well,

2942
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:50,640
Speaker 6: and you know, there's a bunch of stuff I've lost,

2943
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:53,360
Speaker 6: but those are ones that really stick out and do's effects. Honestly,

2944
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:55,040
Speaker 6: I didn't believe in it. I was like, I don't

2945
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:56,920
Speaker 6: believe in it. I was like, either it was novelty,

2946
02:23:57,040 --> 02:24:00,360
Speaker 6: thought it was novelty. I lost Souls of Mischief signed Dell,

2947
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:02,840
Speaker 6: and I should sign Souls, And I didn't sign Souls

2948
02:24:02,879 --> 02:24:05,760
Speaker 6: because Stretch on Front and Daddy Reef worked the big

2949
02:24:05,840 --> 02:24:07,720
Speaker 6: beat and those are my sons, and I was like,

2950
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:09,160
Speaker 6: they were like, we want to sign Souls. I was like,

2951
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:11,440
Speaker 6: get that. Get that kind of Maddie gave me dirty

2952
02:24:11,800 --> 02:24:14,760
Speaker 6: and and Sophia stepped in and got it. Yeah, but

2953
02:24:14,879 --> 02:24:18,720
Speaker 6: that was supposed to be on big beat and and yeah,

2954
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:20,360
Speaker 6: and I should have signed them. I didn't sign him.

2955
02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:22,000
Speaker 6: And they had they had ninety three two on the

2956
02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:24,360
Speaker 6: demo and all that, all of that.

2957
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:27,160
Speaker 2: So were you behind artifacts? Were you only beat that was?

2958
02:24:27,959 --> 02:24:29,840
Speaker 6: That was reef di that you know? I didn't do that?

2959
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:31,760
Speaker 6: What else did I miss? Those?

2960
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:31,920
Speaker 2: Are?

2961
02:24:32,040 --> 02:24:34,840
Speaker 6: Those are noticeable? Missus? I tried to swing Third Base

2962
02:24:34,879 --> 02:24:37,400
Speaker 6: to Tommy Boy and and Tommy Boy didn't like them.

2963
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:40,560
Speaker 6: They didn't want to sign them. I helped make Third

2964
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:42,160
Speaker 6: Basic group Sam sever.

2965
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:44,960
Speaker 2: Part of like your stimulated No No, but he was

2966
02:24:45,080 --> 02:24:46,400
Speaker 2: he was my man and ship.

2967
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:47,880
Speaker 6: He was my boy. And he showed me how to

2968
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:49,800
Speaker 6: use some equipment, and he brought a few records here

2969
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:51,880
Speaker 6: and there, and he put me up on the Ultimate

2970
02:24:51,959 --> 02:24:54,160
Speaker 6: breaks and beats, and he kicked some knowledge my way.

2971
02:24:54,320 --> 02:24:57,640
Speaker 6: He was definitely younger than me, but like my mentor.

2972
02:24:57,400 --> 02:24:57,920
Speaker 2: On some level.

2973
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:00,120
Speaker 1: What would you use like at twelve hundred hun and

2974
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:02,960
Speaker 1: then we went to the MPs and twelve hundred drummer.

2975
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:06,200
Speaker 6: She yeah, that's the one, that's the that's the box.

2976
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:08,120
Speaker 6: I mean you know who the master of the of

2977
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:11,320
Speaker 6: the of the s P twelve was. I just got

2978
02:25:11,440 --> 02:25:13,240
Speaker 6: a big up as someone who no one talks about.

2979
02:25:13,320 --> 02:25:16,440
Speaker 6: Paul C. He was the master the sp I know

2980
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:18,720
Speaker 6: him well, my man. That's probably how I know Large.

2981
02:25:19,240 --> 02:25:21,199
Speaker 6: And the other day Large gave me the biggest compliment.

2982
02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:22,760
Speaker 6: He said, Yo, when it comes to like beat knowledge,

2983
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:24,320
Speaker 6: I always held you up there with Paul C and

2984
02:25:24,360 --> 02:25:26,600
Speaker 6: almost like damn because he's the king of kings. He

2985
02:25:26,760 --> 02:25:28,440
Speaker 6: showed me. He's the one who told me by every

2986
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:31,440
Speaker 6: get out my life woman. He showed me skull snaps.

2987
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:35,040
Speaker 6: It took me shopping. He was that guy.

2988
02:25:35,160 --> 02:25:35,440
Speaker 2: He was.

2989
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:39,440
Speaker 6: He was an amazing producer and he would have he

2990
02:25:39,480 --> 02:25:40,640
Speaker 6: would have got paid. I mean he did a lot

2991
02:25:40,640 --> 02:25:42,720
Speaker 6: of records. You don't know he did, you know, including

2992
02:25:42,760 --> 02:25:45,160
Speaker 6: stuff ever being rock him. Give the drummers something for

2993
02:25:45,240 --> 02:25:54,320
Speaker 6: ultra magnetic steezo. It's my turn. Let the rhythm hit him.

2994
02:25:54,640 --> 02:26:03,480
Speaker 6: He did. He did Duth James, James, that's him, and

2995
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:07,119
Speaker 6: they killed the peach the best. To me, he did

2996
02:26:07,160 --> 02:26:08,720
Speaker 6: all those records and he mixed them in the room.

2997
02:26:08,760 --> 02:26:11,720
Speaker 6: That was about this big. He was a nasty, nasty,

2998
02:26:11,879 --> 02:26:12,400
Speaker 6: nasty one.

2999
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:14,439
Speaker 2: So was he primarily an engineer.

3000
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:17,480
Speaker 6: And producer and a digger. He was a serious digger,

3001
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:19,560
Speaker 6: for real, real real digger.

3002
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:20,879
Speaker 2: I heard the legends.

3003
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:23,720
Speaker 6: I heard the legend of Paul nineteen ninety right, I

3004
02:26:23,840 --> 02:26:26,680
Speaker 6: think so eighty nine. And he did organize Confusions demo.

3005
02:26:26,800 --> 02:26:29,600
Speaker 6: They're called simply too Positive STP. And I wanted to

3006
02:26:29,640 --> 02:26:31,840
Speaker 6: sign him. And he had Brad looped up, he had

3007
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:35,440
Speaker 6: bron he had the Eddie Harris joined too, the one

3008
02:26:35,480 --> 02:26:40,520
Speaker 6: that that brand Nuby used. So he was nasty and

3009
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:42,280
Speaker 6: asked Paul about him if you ever get large pro

3010
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:44,480
Speaker 6: up here? So so whenever I when I when I

3011
02:26:44,520 --> 02:26:46,520
Speaker 6: think about Large, I always think about Paul cy too.

3012
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:48,920
Speaker 6: So you know, Paul c. He was a legend man.

3013
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:50,720
Speaker 6: He got taken up before this time.

3014
02:26:51,080 --> 02:26:57,480
Speaker 2: Well the last record. I'm just of course he signed

3015
02:26:58,040 --> 02:27:02,039
Speaker 2: l O N S. But it's something about this album

3016
02:27:02,120 --> 02:27:02,440
Speaker 2: that just.

3017
02:27:04,959 --> 02:27:15,720
Speaker 6: This nasty Lords Missus, buster Buster those solo because of this.

3018
02:27:16,879 --> 02:27:22,280
Speaker 2: Yes, this man Backspin did this really?

3019
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:24,280
Speaker 6: Back Spin was ill. I don't know what I mean.

3020
02:27:24,360 --> 02:27:36,000
Speaker 16: He was plugged out, like their feminine patat like the girls.

3021
02:27:37,320 --> 02:27:43,720
Speaker 2: Not fat Girl the way. Yeah. To me, feminine fat

3022
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:47,080
Speaker 2: should have been a single and always for.

3023
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:54,200
Speaker 6: A minute, girl fat, that's Phil Cosby no booking tm MG,

3024
02:27:54,360 --> 02:27:56,439
Speaker 6: oh yeah, yeah yeah sing a simple song joint.

3025
02:27:56,320 --> 02:27:58,400
Speaker 2: No the uh that that?

3026
02:27:58,840 --> 02:27:59,440
Speaker 6: I know what you mean.

3027
02:27:59,879 --> 02:28:01,600
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have that luck if it wasn't for.

3028
02:28:03,080 --> 02:28:04,040
Speaker 6: The silver album.

3029
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on that. I always that's the question I

3030
02:28:15,560 --> 02:28:16,600
Speaker 2: played this to ask you.

3031
02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:20,480
Speaker 6: Why was this not a rest of the band wouldn't

3032
02:28:20,480 --> 02:28:23,200
Speaker 6: go for it? That's bust. And I always thought, like

3033
02:28:23,240 --> 02:28:24,560
Speaker 6: when I heard that bus, I was like, damn, he

3034
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:27,040
Speaker 6: got that yard Man ship. He's ill. It was like

3035
02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:28,960
Speaker 6: a real that sound like a real Brooklyn record too.

3036
02:28:29,080 --> 02:28:32,000
Speaker 6: I can't even explain why this has that yard Man field.

3037
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:34,760
Speaker 6: Buster was so he was so incredible, you know, he

3038
02:28:34,879 --> 02:28:36,720
Speaker 6: was just so charismatic from day one to.

3039
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:39,720
Speaker 2: This to this day. I still spend feminine fat by

3040
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:41,400
Speaker 2: leaders of the news that.

3041
02:28:41,400 --> 02:28:43,360
Speaker 6: Record in at least ten years. That's an ill one.

3042
02:28:44,040 --> 02:28:45,560
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

3043
02:28:46,879 --> 02:28:50,440
Speaker 6: Chemist backspin at he was ill. He did he had

3044
02:28:50,440 --> 02:28:51,760
Speaker 6: a couple of joints on that album. I don't think

3045
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:54,440
Speaker 6: he ever did so. He produced this and that was

3046
02:28:54,520 --> 02:28:55,560
Speaker 6: Buster's man from Brooklyn.

3047
02:28:55,640 --> 02:28:56,280
Speaker 2: What else did he do?

3048
02:28:56,480 --> 02:28:58,000
Speaker 6: He did a couple of songs on an album. I

3049
02:28:58,280 --> 02:29:00,520
Speaker 6: have to see the album and my memories a little hazy.

3050
02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:02,680
Speaker 2: But he didn't have any other productions that time that

3051
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:03,240
Speaker 2: I'm aware of.

3052
02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:06,359
Speaker 6: Maybe something here or there, but nothing significant.

3053
02:29:07,320 --> 02:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's so much that we have not touched on.

3054
02:29:09,440 --> 02:29:11,640
Speaker 1: We didn't even get onto Santana. Oh yeah, yeah, is

3055
02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:13,280
Speaker 1: there only Grammy the Santana record?

3056
02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:14,800
Speaker 6: I only got one? Sorry, bro?

3057
02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:18,360
Speaker 2: And can I still hang? Of course he can't.

3058
02:29:18,520 --> 02:29:20,480
Speaker 6: Guys want to make sure. Yeah, yeah, I got that.

3059
02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:23,240
Speaker 6: I did a ever Last That was the first song

3060
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:24,800
Speaker 6: we did after he because he had a heart attack.

3061
02:29:24,840 --> 02:29:26,520
Speaker 6: If did Whitey Ford sings a blues that I've got

3062
02:29:26,560 --> 02:29:28,880
Speaker 6: to mention. He was more in congeneral heart disorder and

3063
02:29:28,959 --> 02:29:31,720
Speaker 6: his kuminin was misprescribed and he had a heart attack.

3064
02:29:31,760 --> 02:29:34,160
Speaker 6: He almost died. I mixed the album without him. He

3065
02:29:34,280 --> 02:29:36,760
Speaker 6: was in hospital couperating and then he got better. One

3066
02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:39,600
Speaker 6: on tour and I got a call from Pete Gamberg

3067
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:41,560
Speaker 6: and he was like, do you guys have a song

3068
02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:45,800
Speaker 6: for Santana? And I said, yeah, sure, we didn't, And

3069
02:29:46,760 --> 02:29:50,560
Speaker 6: Everlass was in town coincidentally doing Good Morning America, and

3070
02:29:50,959 --> 02:29:53,320
Speaker 6: he was like, Yo, let's track the song. And I

3071
02:29:53,400 --> 02:29:55,560
Speaker 6: took a beat that was from an old casual song

3072
02:29:56,280 --> 02:29:58,520
Speaker 6: that had a Latin feel to it with the bongo

3073
02:29:58,600 --> 02:30:01,000
Speaker 6: in it. And I was like, yo, I think these

3074
02:30:01,080 --> 02:30:02,800
Speaker 6: drums are rock. He's like, those are perfect, and we

3075
02:30:02,959 --> 02:30:06,240
Speaker 6: used those drums and he recorded it and then I

3076
02:30:06,760 --> 02:30:09,400
Speaker 6: basically ripped off the illea drum break and won in

3077
02:30:09,480 --> 02:30:12,040
Speaker 6: a million and I used that and break and that

3078
02:30:12,200 --> 02:30:13,960
Speaker 6: was the song. And I gave Pete the demo like

3079
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:16,680
Speaker 6: thirty six hours later, and he was like, when can

3080
02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:18,240
Speaker 6: you go do it? And I was like, when can

3081
02:30:18,280 --> 02:30:20,560
Speaker 6: you write a check? He said, how much do you need?

3082
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:22,640
Speaker 6: And I asked him for the biggest check I'd ever

3083
02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:24,640
Speaker 6: asked anyone for him my whole life, to produce a record.

3084
02:30:24,680 --> 02:30:26,400
Speaker 6: He was like, no problem, and I went and did

3085
02:30:26,440 --> 02:30:26,800
Speaker 6: the record.

3086
02:30:26,959 --> 02:30:27,199
Speaker 2: Wow.

3087
02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:29,880
Speaker 6: And I worked with Santana two times after that, and

3088
02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:31,720
Speaker 6: it was cool. I worked with him at Anthony Hamilton

3089
02:30:31,760 --> 02:30:33,480
Speaker 6: that was that was badass because I wrote the lyrics

3090
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:35,720
Speaker 6: on that song too, and I never really write lyrics,

3091
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:39,000
Speaker 6: So so, yeah, Carlos Santana, he's ill. He's the coolest,

3092
02:30:39,320 --> 02:30:43,800
Speaker 6: and Anthony Hamilton is the coolest too, so so you know,

3093
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:46,040
Speaker 6: I don't produce records anymore, but but I always think

3094
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:48,520
Speaker 6: the Santana records like the last significant record I produced,

3095
02:30:48,520 --> 02:30:49,959
Speaker 6: The Wane with Anthony Hamilton.

3096
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:52,000
Speaker 2: And to me that that's you know which album was

3097
02:30:52,040 --> 02:30:55,160
Speaker 2: this with Santa Anason all that I am okay?

3098
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:56,720
Speaker 6: I was like, I think that was the last one

3099
02:30:56,760 --> 02:30:58,320
Speaker 6: NE did on Jay. And when I did the song,

3100
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:02,120
Speaker 6: they made me Josh Stone did the original vocal and

3101
02:31:02,200 --> 02:31:04,080
Speaker 6: I had to change the whole register of the song

3102
02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:07,080
Speaker 6: for her and it didn't rock right and she didn't

3103
02:31:07,080 --> 02:31:09,000
Speaker 6: sing it right. And I took it to Clive and

3104
02:31:09,080 --> 02:31:10,959
Speaker 6: he handed me the demo back and I was like, oh,

3105
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:13,400
Speaker 6: put the guy on it. That doesn't work, and I

3106
02:31:13,480 --> 02:31:15,880
Speaker 6: want to recut the entire record again in the original

3107
02:31:15,959 --> 02:31:20,160
Speaker 6: register with the band. And then Anthony came and sang it,

3108
02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:23,560
Speaker 6: and and what's crazy is I played keyboards on it,

3109
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:25,640
Speaker 6: and I don't really play keyboards all that well, but

3110
02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:28,520
Speaker 6: I just, you know, chopped my shit up. I played

3111
02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:32,120
Speaker 6: the Warlitter on it, and they had Serban mix it

3112
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:36,840
Speaker 6: and he bricked the mix. He didn't because he didn't

3113
02:31:36,879 --> 02:31:38,720
Speaker 6: know how the records supposed to sound. It's supposed to

3114
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:39,000
Speaker 6: sound like.

3115
02:31:38,959 --> 02:31:39,680
Speaker 2: A Donny Hathaway.

3116
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:44,160
Speaker 6: So I went out to Cali and I sat with

3117
02:31:44,240 --> 02:31:45,480
Speaker 6: him and he said what do I do? I said,

3118
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:46,920
Speaker 6: how much I pay you? And he told him. I said,

3119
02:31:46,920 --> 02:31:49,160
Speaker 6: maybe you should do it yourself. And then I was like, now,

3120
02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:52,160
Speaker 6: I sat down and I fixed it around and I said,

3121
02:31:52,200 --> 02:31:52,800
Speaker 6: that's the record.

3122
02:31:52,840 --> 02:31:54,920
Speaker 2: And so initially he sent it to Surban Blinds and

3123
02:31:55,120 --> 02:31:55,320
Speaker 2: he did.

3124
02:31:55,560 --> 02:31:56,600
Speaker 6: They wouldn't do that. They did that.

3125
02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:58,920
Speaker 2: That's okay. I'm about to say, I want to Bob.

3126
02:31:58,840 --> 02:32:01,320
Speaker 6: Howers a mixer keeping hundred or Jamie Stoub They just

3127
02:32:01,440 --> 02:32:02,039
Speaker 6: wasn't trying.

3128
02:32:01,879 --> 02:32:02,120
Speaker 2: To hear that.

3129
02:32:02,400 --> 02:32:05,560
Speaker 1: Serving is the first and probably the the exception of

3130
02:32:05,640 --> 02:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Jimmy Douglas, the only cat that I've ever just Douglas

3131
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:12,520
Speaker 1: sent a mix to and it's like, yeah.

3132
02:32:12,440 --> 02:32:14,520
Speaker 8: We know what we do. I know what you want, man.

3133
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:16,760
Speaker 6: I mean, he just you know, I wanted to sound

3134
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:18,920
Speaker 6: like a Donnie Hathaway record. I wanted to sound I

3135
02:32:18,920 --> 02:32:20,200
Speaker 6: didn't want it to sound. He thought it was all

3136
02:32:20,200 --> 02:32:21,320
Speaker 6: about the drums and it wasn't.

3137
02:32:22,120 --> 02:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Jimmy Douglas is awesome for that's like he

3138
02:32:25,720 --> 02:32:27,560
Speaker 1: just you give him a reference.

3139
02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:29,240
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I did that back in seventy.

3140
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:30,160
Speaker 6: Fourth, right, he probably did.

3141
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:30,520
Speaker 2: He did.

3142
02:32:30,840 --> 02:32:34,879
Speaker 6: He did slave black, slave, foreigner white, like a stuff

3143
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:39,560
Speaker 6: and he's He's and he did Timland He's the g Yeah. Yeah,

3144
02:32:39,560 --> 02:32:42,640
Speaker 6: I mean so so after I mean I got this

3145
02:32:42,680 --> 02:32:44,840
Speaker 6: stuff after it, Yeah, I did. I did the second

3146
02:32:44,879 --> 02:32:47,920
Speaker 6: ever last record. I did a you know, I did

3147
02:32:47,959 --> 02:32:50,320
Speaker 6: all these remix for every rock rap band in the

3148
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:52,080
Speaker 6: world that I made a lot of money doing that,

3149
02:32:52,480 --> 02:32:56,040
Speaker 6: Like I did like six corn remixes and Incubis and

3150
02:32:56,240 --> 02:33:00,240
Speaker 6: fucking all that bullshit, and I was just polishing more

3151
02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:03,280
Speaker 6: and more turns. I got to be honest, I was

3152
02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:05,160
Speaker 6: just like, you know, it was like it was, it

3153
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:08,000
Speaker 6: wasn't getting better, it was getting worse. And I got

3154
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:09,959
Speaker 6: this big publishing deal and I was like, I'm going

3155
02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:12,280
Speaker 6: to be a songwriter. There's one problem with me being

3156
02:33:12,320 --> 02:33:14,840
Speaker 6: a songwriter. I can't really play an instrument that well

3157
02:33:15,240 --> 02:33:17,200
Speaker 6: and I don't know how to write lyrics, so so

3158
02:33:17,320 --> 02:33:19,760
Speaker 6: being a songwriter is probably pretty hard for me. But

3159
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:22,280
Speaker 6: but I got a couple of songs off and and uh,

3160
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:24,400
Speaker 6: you know, I did this. I did this last two

3161
02:33:24,480 --> 02:33:27,760
Speaker 6: recordsigning and name what they are, but they were not

3162
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:31,720
Speaker 6: artistically fulfilling. And then I started working with Travis Barker

3163
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:34,160
Speaker 6: and I helped him out make his solo record, and

3164
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:37,119
Speaker 6: I was living in l A. And Uh, my dad

3165
02:33:37,240 --> 02:33:39,800
Speaker 6: passed and le York called me up, so he knew

3166
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:41,120
Speaker 6: how close to me and my dad were. An e

3167
02:33:41,320 --> 02:33:43,120
Speaker 6: from me a job at Warner Brothers, and I went

3168
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,440
Speaker 6: and I took a job working at Warner Brothers in

3169
02:33:45,480 --> 02:33:47,520
Speaker 6: New York. I moved back. I was living in l A.

3170
02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:51,200
Speaker 6: And I did a third ever last record to that

3171
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:56,080
Speaker 6: tank and Leo one, what was the throne call? I

3172
02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:59,080
Speaker 6: had White Tress Beautiful, So I did it and Lee

3173
02:33:59,160 --> 02:34:01,600
Speaker 6: York lew York gave him the deal and then lee

3174
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:04,160
Speaker 6: Or quit like a month eight weeks before the record

3175
02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:06,039
Speaker 6: came out, and I got stuck with La Reed trying

3176
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:09,000
Speaker 6: to explain what the record was about and that you

3177
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:11,560
Speaker 6: know you can tell that you know it is what

3178
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:14,600
Speaker 6: it is. So lear he owed me one and he

3179
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:17,039
Speaker 6: he asked me if I wanted a in our job,

3180
02:34:17,080 --> 02:34:18,680
Speaker 6: and I was like, yeah, you know, there's a couple

3181
02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:20,119
Speaker 6: of things in my life I've been good at. That's

3182
02:34:20,160 --> 02:34:22,680
Speaker 6: one of them. So uh, I took the job in

3183
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:24,160
Speaker 6: New York and I worked there for a couple of years,

3184
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:26,480
Speaker 6: and I got to tell you, it was very frustrating.

3185
02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:28,119
Speaker 6: For the first few years. I found this guy named

3186
02:34:28,120 --> 02:34:31,880
Speaker 6: Maclamore and and Tom Moskowitz told me sucked and uh

3187
02:34:32,360 --> 02:34:35,880
Speaker 6: and I told Leora I was gonna quit. Yeah, right,

3188
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:38,240
Speaker 6: So I told Lear I was gonna quit. Todd wouldn't

3189
02:34:38,280 --> 02:34:39,920
Speaker 6: let me sign anything, said take it to a DA

3190
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:42,840
Speaker 6: see if Kenny wants to do and Kenny Wiggley I

3191
02:34:42,879 --> 02:34:44,720
Speaker 6: connected him and Zach Quol and he ended up doing

3192
02:34:44,760 --> 02:34:46,960
Speaker 6: the deal. The record came out, and I went to

3193
02:34:47,080 --> 02:34:49,640
Speaker 6: work at Adam became vice prosident Ada and I still

3194
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:52,400
Speaker 6: worked there now, you know. So so it all worked

3195
02:34:52,400 --> 02:34:55,160
Speaker 6: out in the end amazing and uh, you know, I

3196
02:34:55,240 --> 02:34:58,520
Speaker 6: mean I can't necessarily say I was like, I'm recognized

3197
02:34:58,520 --> 02:35:00,240
Speaker 6: as Macmore's A and R because the the way we

3198
02:35:00,360 --> 02:35:02,680
Speaker 6: do records at ADAS, we kind of take finished records.

3199
02:35:02,879 --> 02:35:05,840
Speaker 6: It's a distribution coming to label services. But since then

3200
02:35:05,879 --> 02:35:08,440
Speaker 6: I signed and I signed a little Dicky you know,

3201
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,360
Speaker 6: saved that money as my record. Oh really yeah, and

3202
02:35:11,440 --> 02:35:14,400
Speaker 6: that's like a platinum single. And I signed Maide in

3203
02:35:14,440 --> 02:35:16,720
Speaker 6: Tokyo who have the Uber Everywhere, which is just one

3204
02:35:16,760 --> 02:35:18,640
Speaker 6: platinum too. So I had a little, you know, a

3205
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:21,120
Speaker 6: nice little run in downtown. The other record didn't sell.

3206
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:23,320
Speaker 6: The singles sold, and so it's been a good little

3207
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:25,480
Speaker 6: you know, twelve months over there for me, I'm about

3208
02:35:25,480 --> 02:35:27,520
Speaker 6: to be senior vice president and blah blah blah ah

3209
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:30,080
Speaker 6: that bullshit, all the bells and whistles. But it's ironic

3210
02:35:30,200 --> 02:35:33,520
Speaker 6: that twenty five years later, I'm kind of back where

3211
02:35:33,640 --> 02:35:36,400
Speaker 6: it started, you know, doing A and R in the

3212
02:35:36,440 --> 02:35:39,879
Speaker 6: Warner Music Group again and and having a very good

3213
02:35:39,959 --> 02:35:43,760
Speaker 6: run right now. But the disparity in the music I

3214
02:35:43,879 --> 02:35:47,000
Speaker 6: work on is is really mind boggling. Like, my, how

3215
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:48,840
Speaker 6: do you My good friend Pete said, he used to

3216
02:35:48,840 --> 02:35:51,840
Speaker 6: do all dirty bastard. It's okay, you have enough credibility,

3217
02:35:51,879 --> 02:35:54,280
Speaker 6: you can do whatever you want to do. I mean

3218
02:35:54,560 --> 02:35:56,680
Speaker 6: I had this record, this Jordan Belafert record. Man, I

3219
02:35:56,720 --> 02:35:58,440
Speaker 6: mean that's a gold record. But like you guys would

3220
02:35:58,440 --> 02:36:00,720
Speaker 6: punch me if you heard the record, so, you know

3221
02:36:00,840 --> 02:36:02,959
Speaker 6: you you'd be like, yo, I gave you crab tonight, Like.

3222
02:36:04,920 --> 02:36:07,160
Speaker 2: Here's the here's the thing though. The thing is is

3223
02:36:07,240 --> 02:36:13,720
Speaker 2: that now that you're older and wiser one and you

3224
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:17,960
Speaker 2: know that the tastes of your youth are not exactly

3225
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:22,240
Speaker 2: in line with what is out today, Like how do

3226
02:36:22,360 --> 02:36:25,560
Speaker 2: you trust yourself when you know? How do you know

3227
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:29,879
Speaker 2: this is going to work? I mean versus I really love.

3228
02:36:29,800 --> 02:36:34,080
Speaker 6: This analytics right that that plays into it. I do

3229
02:36:34,200 --> 02:36:39,320
Speaker 6: heavy analytics. I helped run the research department for for

3230
02:36:39,640 --> 02:36:42,760
Speaker 6: Atlantic because I also work at Atlantic, so I am

3231
02:36:43,080 --> 02:36:46,680
Speaker 6: one of the heads of that so research driven. And then,

3232
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,360
Speaker 6: like in the case of Maclamore, I just really believed

3233
02:36:49,400 --> 02:36:52,040
Speaker 6: in what he was, Like I saw it live and

3234
02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:54,960
Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, this this I connect to. So

3235
02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:59,000
Speaker 6: however you feel about him, he's exceptional on what he does, right,

3236
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:02,000
Speaker 6: and I recognize his exceptionalness. I thought he was he

3237
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:04,040
Speaker 6: was great at what he does. And we talk about

3238
02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:05,840
Speaker 6: little Dickey, so same thing. I thought he was great

3239
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:07,800
Speaker 6: at what he did, Like he's really good at what

3240
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:08,360
Speaker 6: he does, like.

3241
02:37:08,400 --> 02:37:08,720
Speaker 2: Him or not.

3242
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:12,480
Speaker 6: So I guess I do my job with less sentiment, right,

3243
02:37:12,600 --> 02:37:14,920
Speaker 6: with less of my heart and more of my brains.

3244
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:18,840
Speaker 6: And I also am keyed into knowing it's a singles market,

3245
02:37:18,920 --> 02:37:22,040
Speaker 6: it's a streaming world. Your album may never sell. And

3246
02:37:22,400 --> 02:37:25,280
Speaker 6: the end result of that twofold one, I've become much

3247
02:37:25,400 --> 02:37:29,640
Speaker 6: smarter at my job, much less emotionally connected and attached,

3248
02:37:29,879 --> 02:37:32,879
Speaker 6: which allows me to leave my job at my desk

3249
02:37:33,360 --> 02:37:36,280
Speaker 6: and enjoy my life a little life, right, and I

3250
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:39,840
Speaker 6: reaped the benefits financially. But two, I feel like me

3251
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:42,440
Speaker 6: and and lots of other people who do what I

3252
02:37:42,520 --> 02:37:46,800
Speaker 6: do for a living, we have killed the art form

3253
02:37:46,879 --> 02:37:50,800
Speaker 6: of the classic great rap record album. That rap album

3254
02:37:50,959 --> 02:37:53,760
Speaker 6: is no longer important due to streaming, and we have

3255
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:56,400
Speaker 6: to we have to if we want to survive in

3256
02:37:56,440 --> 02:37:59,879
Speaker 6: the business, accept that fact. And I've accepted that fact begrudgingly,

3257
02:38:00,440 --> 02:38:02,440
Speaker 6: but I accept that fact. And that is what it

3258
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:04,920
Speaker 6: is right now. And you know, when I when I,

3259
02:38:05,640 --> 02:38:07,760
Speaker 6: you know, I do a lean and mean man. I

3260
02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:10,040
Speaker 6: don't much like my early days. I don't spend a

3261
02:38:10,040 --> 02:38:12,280
Speaker 6: lot of money picking these records up. I allow people

3262
02:38:12,320 --> 02:38:15,520
Speaker 6: to own themselves. You own your masters and a large

3263
02:38:15,800 --> 02:38:18,160
Speaker 6: or large royalty. It's a whole different way of doing business.

3264
02:38:19,080 --> 02:38:22,199
Speaker 6: But but I think for me exciting because I feel

3265
02:38:22,280 --> 02:38:24,760
Speaker 6: like I'm continuing to the independent side of the culture.

3266
02:38:25,160 --> 02:38:27,080
Speaker 6: And for me, that's exciting. And I balance it out

3267
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:29,960
Speaker 6: by going to play records with just Blaze and large

3268
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:32,480
Speaker 6: Pro and digging and and you know, doing all the

3269
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:34,920
Speaker 6: other things I like. So, you know, kind of my

3270
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:36,400
Speaker 6: life has a lot of balance to it.

3271
02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:38,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever pray that it will come full circle

3272
02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:41,000
Speaker 1: again and there will be a generation in that I

3273
02:38:41,080 --> 02:38:43,720
Speaker 1: believe that once to dig again and that that I

3274
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:44,320
Speaker 1: don't know if that.

3275
02:38:44,320 --> 02:38:47,360
Speaker 6: Will ever happen me because of finances, right, Clearing records

3276
02:38:47,400 --> 02:38:50,360
Speaker 6: cost too much money. But I do believe there are

3277
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:53,560
Speaker 6: great rappers in the world. Jay elect, for one, is

3278
02:38:53,600 --> 02:38:57,720
Speaker 6: a great rapper. Chance the rappers phenomenal. There's lots of

3279
02:38:57,879 --> 02:39:03,520
Speaker 6: us election. Where is that guy? But you know, and

3280
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:05,600
Speaker 6: and I even like Future it's a different thing. But

3281
02:39:05,879 --> 02:39:09,120
Speaker 6: once again, for what he does, he's phenomenal. And there's

3282
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:12,200
Speaker 6: polarizing artists like a little YACHTI who I have to

3283
02:39:12,280 --> 02:39:15,400
Speaker 6: respect because he's polarizing, right, But but there are people

3284
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:18,560
Speaker 6: who still really can rap. You know, I believe yg

3285
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:22,119
Speaker 6: makes really good music. A chance the rapper vic mensa.

3286
02:39:22,760 --> 02:39:24,800
Speaker 6: You know, there's lots of guys out there who still

3287
02:39:24,959 --> 02:39:27,760
Speaker 6: spit and and still rap really great. And then there's

3288
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:30,200
Speaker 6: lots of guys who make good music. Maybe they're not

3289
02:39:30,280 --> 02:39:33,960
Speaker 6: the greatest rappers because my bar is set with rock him, right,

3290
02:39:34,440 --> 02:39:36,520
Speaker 6: So so my bar is here. But that's okay because

3291
02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:39,560
Speaker 6: I look at music and chambers. Everything has their own chamber.

3292
02:39:39,840 --> 02:39:42,760
Speaker 6: So I can't expect the trap rap dude of the day.

3293
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:46,360
Speaker 6: If I expected that I'll always be miserable. I'll be

3294
02:39:46,400 --> 02:39:49,240
Speaker 6: the cranky old man in my size thirty eight jeans

3295
02:39:49,640 --> 02:39:51,640
Speaker 6: beefing with the fitted hat. And that's not me.

3296
02:39:52,480 --> 02:39:56,880
Speaker 2: You know, you know I have to be. I have

3297
02:39:57,040 --> 02:39:57,200
Speaker 2: to be.

3298
02:39:58,280 --> 02:40:01,240
Speaker 6: I have to be abreast of what's popping right now.

3299
02:40:01,360 --> 02:40:02,680
Speaker 2: And you know I mean this.

3300
02:40:02,840 --> 02:40:05,040
Speaker 6: That's how I am culturally too. I never wanted see

3301
02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:07,040
Speaker 6: because when I was young, the old bitter dude. I

3302
02:40:07,080 --> 02:40:08,920
Speaker 6: didn't like that dude. So I don't want to be

3303
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:11,320
Speaker 6: that old bitter dude that no one want. No one

3304
02:40:11,360 --> 02:40:13,840
Speaker 6: wants to be ro you know that dude's corny.

3305
02:40:14,040 --> 02:40:14,920
Speaker 2: But we're that bit.

3306
02:40:16,400 --> 02:40:18,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not. I'm not bitter man. And I

3307
02:40:18,240 --> 02:40:20,560
Speaker 6: find things I love and you know, I'm trying to

3308
02:40:20,600 --> 02:40:22,040
Speaker 6: do a couple of things right now I believe in

3309
02:40:22,120 --> 02:40:24,600
Speaker 6: and whether it gets done or not, who knows. But

3310
02:40:24,920 --> 02:40:26,600
Speaker 6: that said, you know, the problems with doing A and

3311
02:40:26,680 --> 02:40:29,680
Speaker 6: R now is no secrets. Everybody knows everything, so everything

3312
02:40:29,720 --> 02:40:33,560
Speaker 6: goes zero to sixty right away, right right away. Even

3313
02:40:33,640 --> 02:40:36,320
Speaker 6: from when I when we found Maclamore to now, things

3314
02:40:36,360 --> 02:40:39,160
Speaker 6: have changed dramatically. So the kind of artist that I

3315
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:42,560
Speaker 6: work with wants to remain independent. He doesn't necessarily want

3316
02:40:42,600 --> 02:40:44,560
Speaker 6: to be part of a big machine because we have

3317
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:47,880
Speaker 6: seen so many guys get signed to that big label

3318
02:40:48,120 --> 02:40:50,360
Speaker 6: and the breaks come on and that's that, and that's

3319
02:40:50,400 --> 02:40:53,720
Speaker 6: been since forever, but we really see it now, right

3320
02:40:53,800 --> 02:40:56,520
Speaker 6: And I can aim ten guys who had a big

3321
02:40:56,600 --> 02:40:59,440
Speaker 6: buzz and they got signed in that major that came

3322
02:40:59,480 --> 02:40:59,800
Speaker 6: to break.

3323
02:41:00,400 --> 02:41:00,560
Speaker 2: You know.

3324
02:41:00,680 --> 02:41:02,360
Speaker 6: The other thing, the other side of is for me

3325
02:41:02,440 --> 02:41:04,360
Speaker 6: to bring something in the building that's at zero and

3326
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:06,000
Speaker 6: think I'm gonna go zero to sixty with it. It's

3327
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:08,600
Speaker 6: probably not gonna happen. He asked that that artist has

3328
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:10,240
Speaker 6: to be to build it. You gotta be able to

3329
02:41:10,280 --> 02:41:12,360
Speaker 6: do it himself. And we all can do it because

3330
02:41:12,440 --> 02:41:15,000
Speaker 6: right there, Quest got his laptop. That's that's your whole

3331
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:18,160
Speaker 6: world right there. That's that's your record company, that's your

3332
02:41:18,520 --> 02:41:23,040
Speaker 6: recording studio. That's your marketing tool, that's your vice president

3333
02:41:23,080 --> 02:41:26,440
Speaker 6: of marketing, that's your promo team. That's everything everything right

3334
02:41:26,600 --> 02:41:28,320
Speaker 6: and and you know, man, just get it on iTunes

3335
02:41:28,360 --> 02:41:30,240
Speaker 6: and can end up in the streaming world and you

3336
02:41:30,360 --> 02:41:32,560
Speaker 6: can win. And I mean, look at chance, man, he

3337
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:35,440
Speaker 6: said fuck you to everybody, most punk rock shit ever.

3338
02:41:35,640 --> 02:41:37,000
Speaker 6: I tried to sign him when he put out ten

3339
02:41:37,080 --> 02:41:39,920
Speaker 6: days I flew to Chicago. He was like, nah, right, so,

3340
02:41:40,120 --> 02:41:41,720
Speaker 6: and he told me I wasn't the first one there.

3341
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:42,320
Speaker 13: Wow.

3342
02:41:42,440 --> 02:41:44,040
Speaker 2: And he's that shrewd enough to say no.

3343
02:41:44,440 --> 02:41:46,120
Speaker 6: He said no to Sylvia Rome before he said no

3344
02:41:46,200 --> 02:41:46,360
Speaker 6: to me.

3345
02:41:46,520 --> 02:41:46,880
Speaker 10: Somebody.

3346
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:50,000
Speaker 6: His manager has a lot of money, but he makes

3347
02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:52,240
Speaker 6: a lot of money. He's a touring act. Look, man,

3348
02:41:52,280 --> 02:41:54,080
Speaker 6: it's a hard ticket world right now. If you're out

3349
02:41:54,080 --> 02:41:56,760
Speaker 6: there touring amazing. I can name five guys, and I'm

3350
02:41:56,760 --> 02:41:59,480
Speaker 6: not giving away no secrets. Who are touring acts who

3351
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:01,760
Speaker 6: don't need a record deal. The Suicide Boys don't need

3352
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:04,680
Speaker 6: a record deal. Pooh, yeah, I don't need a record deal.

3353
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:07,160
Speaker 6: I mean, little young Doff don't need a record deal.

3354
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:09,480
Speaker 6: These dudes don't need record deals. They are on the

3355
02:42:09,560 --> 02:42:13,120
Speaker 6: road making money, selling merch doing whatever they doing. And

3356
02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:16,200
Speaker 6: they're not selling thousands, hundreds of thousands of records. But

3357
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:18,520
Speaker 6: let's be real. The New Gold records one hundred thousand,

3358
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:20,920
Speaker 6: the New Gold albums one hundred thousand. A single might

3359
02:42:20,959 --> 02:42:22,840
Speaker 6: sell a million. I caught a couple this year, but

3360
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:26,200
Speaker 6: my albums are not selling like that. Nobody's are. It's

3361
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:29,080
Speaker 6: a different game. But you know what, I'm shrewd enough.

3362
02:42:29,480 --> 02:42:33,440
Speaker 6: And I've always been involved in technology enough because I

3363
02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:36,920
Speaker 6: was a producer, like and I shifted with time that

3364
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:39,280
Speaker 6: that I see where it goes and where it's going.

3365
02:42:39,320 --> 02:42:41,040
Speaker 6: And hopefully I can continue to do that. If I don't,

3366
02:42:41,080 --> 02:42:43,280
Speaker 6: I don't got a job, right, and I don't know

3367
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:46,920
Speaker 6: how to do that many other things. I pray for

3368
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:49,360
Speaker 6: the practice of acceptance. I have like a serious meditation

3369
02:42:49,480 --> 02:42:52,120
Speaker 6: practice and all this other tree hugger bullshit I do.

3370
02:42:52,680 --> 02:42:55,680
Speaker 2: And that's important, That's very important. That is important.

3371
02:42:55,720 --> 02:42:57,640
Speaker 6: Every day I gotta I gotta wake up in the morning.

3372
02:42:57,720 --> 02:42:59,959
Speaker 6: I have to make conscious contact with maharre power.

3373
02:43:00,080 --> 02:43:05,000
Speaker 2: That's at all he got on me about that about meditating.

3374
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:08,240
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm meditating, pray. I've After my father died,

3375
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:11,360
Speaker 6: I just developed a much deeper connection to my higher power.

3376
02:43:11,640 --> 02:43:12,840
Speaker 6: So I had to deal with a lot. So you know,

3377
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:15,520
Speaker 6: you get closer to God when things happened, right, So

3378
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:18,080
Speaker 6: so as you know, I live one hundred percent sober

3379
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:20,240
Speaker 6: life for a long time now, and and you know

3380
02:43:20,320 --> 02:43:23,680
Speaker 6: I don't smoke or drink anymore. And you know, I'm

3381
02:43:23,720 --> 02:43:28,760
Speaker 6: still bad with ladies. That's that's progress, not perfection. But

3382
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:32,840
Speaker 6: it's like I'm I'm happy where I am. You know,

3383
02:43:32,959 --> 02:43:34,960
Speaker 6: it's like I'm blessed to still have a job and

3384
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:38,760
Speaker 6: still have, uh you know, a source of income doing

3385
02:43:38,840 --> 02:43:41,040
Speaker 6: what I love it. And I have all these great

3386
02:43:41,080 --> 02:43:44,200
Speaker 6: relationships with with people I worked with for my whole life.

3387
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:46,520
Speaker 6: And you know, it's damn I talked to Positive News today.

3388
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:49,440
Speaker 6: You know, it's like I spoke the mugs over the weekend.

3389
02:43:49,560 --> 02:43:51,320
Speaker 6: Like I have these friends who I'm going to. It's

3390
02:43:51,360 --> 02:43:53,080
Speaker 6: like I always say, we didn't go to college, We

3391
02:43:53,160 --> 02:43:53,800
Speaker 6: went to hip hop.

3392
02:43:54,800 --> 02:43:57,000
Speaker 2: You know, that's a quote for your ass right there.

3393
02:43:57,200 --> 02:43:59,000
Speaker 6: You know, that's what we did. And this was our

3394
02:43:59,080 --> 02:44:01,120
Speaker 6: hip hop. Whether you know was hanging out with with

3395
02:44:01,240 --> 02:44:04,360
Speaker 6: all these Shahid recently or whoever. It's like we we

3396
02:44:04,840 --> 02:44:07,200
Speaker 6: are part of this thing that's so much bigger than us.

3397
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:09,760
Speaker 6: And I'm just I always wanted to be Steve Cropper

3398
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:12,199
Speaker 6: or Jerry Wexhan. I'm not going to say I'm those guys,

3399
02:44:12,680 --> 02:44:15,200
Speaker 6: but but I have a little a little piece of

3400
02:44:15,280 --> 02:44:17,920
Speaker 6: the history of of what this is about and continue

3401
02:44:17,959 --> 02:44:19,560
Speaker 6: to write my history. And for me, that's enough.

3402
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:25,160
Speaker 2: You signed o dB and got a completed record, TV

3403
02:44:25,360 --> 02:44:30,320
Speaker 2: record brou Well. You know I can go on forever

3404
02:44:30,640 --> 02:44:32,640
Speaker 2: thank you for fulfilling, thank you for having me my

3405
02:44:32,840 --> 02:44:36,320
Speaker 2: nerd fantasy on just the whole renaissance era of hip

3406
02:44:36,320 --> 02:44:42,400
Speaker 2: hop dance, Ross, ladies and gentlemen, Thank you, thank you guys.

3407
02:44:44,360 --> 02:44:45,320
Speaker 2: That that was amazing.

3408
02:44:47,879 --> 02:44:53,720
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, we've learned a lot about renaissance hip hop. Tikeolo,

3409
02:44:54,280 --> 02:44:55,640
Speaker 1: any final.

3410
02:44:55,440 --> 02:44:58,199
Speaker 5: Thoughts, Man, I'm just, man, I'm just it's just so amazing,

3411
02:44:58,360 --> 02:45:01,840
Speaker 5: how like I want to there's a correlation between you know,

3412
02:45:02,080 --> 02:45:05,160
Speaker 5: hearing him talk about how the records were cheap, How

3413
02:45:05,240 --> 02:45:07,480
Speaker 5: cheap the records were, you know, for a record, you know,

3414
02:45:07,560 --> 02:45:09,560
Speaker 5: like a daylight to get made for like ninety thousand

3415
02:45:09,640 --> 02:45:12,520
Speaker 5: or whatever, for something so groundbreaking be made for so cheap,

3416
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:16,560
Speaker 5: and you look at what rap budgets became later on.

3417
02:45:17,080 --> 02:45:19,600
Speaker 5: You know, it's I think there's something to be said,

3418
02:45:19,760 --> 02:45:22,360
Speaker 5: you know, doing sometimes you can do more with less.

3419
02:45:22,600 --> 02:45:25,120
Speaker 5: I think that forces you to be in some ways,

3420
02:45:25,160 --> 02:45:27,560
Speaker 5: that forces you to be a lot more creative, because

3421
02:45:27,640 --> 02:45:30,600
Speaker 5: you really you got to make every everything count, every dollar,

3422
02:45:30,800 --> 02:45:34,680
Speaker 5: every minute in the studio, you every every real like everything,

3423
02:45:34,760 --> 02:45:36,600
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, So you can't really fuck around.

3424
02:45:36,680 --> 02:45:39,040
Speaker 11: And they always say that like necessity is a mother invention.

3425
02:45:39,240 --> 02:45:40,560
Speaker 11: So you know, if you don't have the money to

3426
02:45:40,600 --> 02:45:44,280
Speaker 11: pay for you know, whatever whatever studio equipment you need,

3427
02:45:44,320 --> 02:45:46,520
Speaker 11: and you can come up with something, you gotta make it. Yeah,

3428
02:45:46,600 --> 02:45:47,879
Speaker 11: you got to figure it out. It's amazing.

3429
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta say that. My rule number one is

3430
02:45:52,840 --> 02:45:55,800
Speaker 1: I hate those comfort studios. I mean a lot of

3431
02:45:55,840 --> 02:45:58,800
Speaker 1: them are shutting down now. But like one of the

3432
02:45:58,879 --> 02:46:01,520
Speaker 1: biggest things about like roots albums was the fact that

3433
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:03,560
Speaker 1: when we track the music, when I did like the

3434
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:08,320
Speaker 1: music and the stuff, I wanted it in the most uncomfortable,

3435
02:46:08,640 --> 02:46:13,480
Speaker 1: unsavory none. I mean we always joke like fruit basket

3436
02:46:13,560 --> 02:46:16,960
Speaker 1: situation and non fruit basket situation, Like Tarik needs to

3437
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:20,640
Speaker 1: be comfortable in a you know, sunshine and fruit baskets

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02:46:20,720 --> 02:46:24,199
Speaker 1: and all that stuff and free pastries that that sort

3439
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:27,880
Speaker 1: of man. I mean, he got to be in his

3440
02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:30,840
Speaker 1: zone and you know he needs fresh praise series and

3441
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:35,040
Speaker 1: fruit baskets. But like, you know, I wanted the opposite.

3442
02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:38,800
Speaker 1: Like even now, when I make roots records, I record

3443
02:46:38,920 --> 02:46:41,920
Speaker 1: them in our dressing room at thirty Rock, which is

3444
02:46:42,080 --> 02:46:44,680
Speaker 1: essentially our you know, it's like a closet.

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02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:47,560
Speaker 2: I just have this this this.

3446
02:46:49,360 --> 02:46:53,560
Speaker 1: Fear of going soft if I'm in a comfortable environment.

3447
02:46:53,680 --> 02:46:57,160
Speaker 1: So maybe it's a good thing that, you know, what

3448
02:46:57,280 --> 02:47:00,120
Speaker 1: would the l O and S records sound like with

3449
02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:03,960
Speaker 1: a seven hundred thousand dollars budget a budget? Yeah, I

3450
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:06,280
Speaker 1: mean who would know if if they were giving them

3451
02:47:06,360 --> 02:47:09,960
Speaker 1: righteous budget. But then it kind of also makes me

3452
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:13,720
Speaker 1: mad that that even labels didn't see the art that

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02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:17,680
Speaker 1: they had on their hands to you know, give it justice.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I think that was the selling point

3455
02:47:20,200 --> 02:47:21,840
Speaker 5: kind of a lot of hip hop. And you talked

3456
02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:23,560
Speaker 5: to you know, a lot of the OG's in the game,

3457
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:26,240
Speaker 5: they all say that like the selling point of hip hop.

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02:47:26,360 --> 02:47:26,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't.

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02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:28,760
Speaker 5: I don't think the label really understood the music. It

3460
02:47:28,879 --> 02:47:30,880
Speaker 5: was just it could be produced for so cheap. The

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02:47:30,959 --> 02:47:33,520
Speaker 5: profit margin on it was so high, so it was like, okay,

3462
02:47:33,560 --> 02:47:36,280
Speaker 5: you mean, we ain't got to bring a drummer, a bassis,

3463
02:47:36,360 --> 02:47:39,360
Speaker 5: a guitarist, and we just need just you and your records.

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02:47:39,560 --> 02:47:41,920
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, we'll sign it. So hip hop is truly

3465
02:47:41,920 --> 02:47:45,400
Speaker 2: even the New Blues, oh my god, the New Blues

3466
02:47:45,440 --> 02:47:48,760
Speaker 2: and labels are just Alan lomax is walking around with.

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02:47:49,959 --> 02:47:58,840
Speaker 5: Field recordings and shit, young thug natural environment life here

3468
02:47:58,840 --> 02:48:05,520
Speaker 5: at the Trap House with certain Gucci talking about so

3469
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:06,840
Speaker 5: I'm still a flare himself.

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Speaker 1: Unpaid Billed Steve. Uh, you know, you guys are are intricate,

3471
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:21,640
Speaker 1: vital parts of this show. Did you learn anything special?

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02:48:22,040 --> 02:48:25,600
Speaker 8: Dante Ross is some Jedi Yoda hip hop god. Yes,

3473
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:29,600
Speaker 8: I learned that. I was also impressed by the someone

3474
02:48:29,640 --> 02:48:31,160
Speaker 8: who has a career in music and is somewhere in

3475
02:48:31,160 --> 02:48:33,080
Speaker 8: the middle of it at this point. To have that

3476
02:48:33,280 --> 02:48:36,880
Speaker 8: kind of longevity and continue to do groundbreaking ship at

3477
02:48:36,920 --> 02:48:39,600
Speaker 8: each turn is really unbelievable. And I don't you know

3478
02:48:40,440 --> 02:48:42,680
Speaker 8: something to aspire to, I said, I suppose.

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02:48:42,959 --> 02:48:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all want to be Dante Ross.

3480
02:48:46,240 --> 02:48:47,800
Speaker 8: We went that far.

3481
02:48:49,440 --> 02:48:51,160
Speaker 1: I want to be Dante Ross when I grow up.

3482
02:48:52,120 --> 02:48:53,760
Speaker 1: If you're like, yeah, this is our new single, it's

3483
02:48:53,760 --> 02:49:00,720
Speaker 1: called Troy, Yes, right, acronym Troy, so you know, uh,

3484
02:49:00,879 --> 02:49:03,480
Speaker 1: boss Bill. Any any final thoughts?

3485
02:49:04,720 --> 02:49:07,520
Speaker 11: Really, the whole Black Bastard situation kind of stuck in

3486
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:10,040
Speaker 11: my head, like just kind of you know, hearing names

3487
02:49:10,120 --> 02:49:12,959
Speaker 11: of people who are kind of voted it down kind

3488
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:17,920
Speaker 11: of made me angry. Sense it made perfect sense, but

3489
02:49:18,040 --> 02:49:19,840
Speaker 11: it's still insensed me because of the fact that, you know,

3490
02:49:20,040 --> 02:49:21,680
Speaker 11: just learning that they didn't even bother listening to the

3491
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:24,440
Speaker 11: album or to get to get the rationale behind the artwork.

3492
02:49:24,520 --> 02:49:27,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's I cannot wait to get on Facebook

3493
02:49:29,200 --> 02:49:32,320
Speaker 2: half block about in their defense in the labels defense,

3494
02:49:32,360 --> 02:49:34,080
Speaker 2: and I'm being granted this is probably the only time

3495
02:49:34,120 --> 02:49:35,359
Speaker 2: I will ever come to defense.

3496
02:49:36,879 --> 02:49:40,880
Speaker 5: Get clear in their defense. You know they that's this

3497
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:44,000
Speaker 5: was post cop killer, right right. I understand it, But

3498
02:49:44,120 --> 02:49:46,280
Speaker 5: like they wasn't. I mean, you get a letter from

3499
02:49:46,320 --> 02:49:48,400
Speaker 5: it was you really get a letter from the government.

3500
02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:50,560
Speaker 5: It was a borner too, so yeah, it's the same ship.

3501
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:51,960
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, I can't find me. I got a

3502
02:49:52,040 --> 02:49:53,640
Speaker 5: letter from the government for real gun shot.

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02:49:53,879 --> 02:49:56,040
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. I get it. Wow.

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02:49:56,240 --> 02:49:57,760
Speaker 11: But I mean if it hadn't happened, then you know,

3505
02:49:57,840 --> 02:50:00,280
Speaker 11: we probably would have never had Mad Villain and yep

3506
02:50:00,680 --> 02:50:05,879
Speaker 11: and them food and food and yeah, so I guess

3507
02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:08,280
Speaker 11: it all worked out for the best. Yeah, I guess

3508
02:50:08,400 --> 02:50:09,880
Speaker 11: I guess it did work out for the best.

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02:50:11,480 --> 02:50:16,360
Speaker 2: We me having fond Tikela Coleman, Sugar, Steve On, paid

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Speaker 2: Bill and Bossville. Uh. This is Quest Love Supreme. Thank you,

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02:50:22,640 --> 02:50:27,320
Speaker 2: and I'll talk to you all later. Quest Love Supreme.

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