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Quote the new price of eggs, 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.960 the political shocks of data centers and electric bills in 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.760 New York Times starting to pay attention, actually doing a 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.640 decent enough job of going over and actually, you know, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.360 interviewing some of the people who are most affected. So 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:55.040 they actually open the story with cattle ranchers in Georgia. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.080 Quote they had one thing on their minds when they 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.760 cast their ballots for the state's utility board to make 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.960 a statement. They were irked by their escalating electric bills, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.280 not to mention extra fifty bucks a month levied by 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.800 their local utility to cover a new power plant more 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:09.800 than two hundred miles away, but after they heard a 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.520 data center might be built next to their ranch sixty 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.200 miles southwest of Atlanta, they had enough of Republicans who 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.840 were far too receptive to the interests of the booming 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:18.760 AI industry. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.640 First time I ever voted Democrat. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.080 Mister Peyton fifty eight says, So you can see in 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.920 that anecdote the political price. Now as this has propelled 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.360 two Democrats in the state of Georgia to upset you. Also, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.959 as I have said here before, there are opposition organic 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:41.440 movements across the nation. Tucson, Arizona, here in Virginia, New Jersey. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.160 All the candidates here in Virginia basically were like against 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.800 data centers, the power bills. Just what it demonstrates, I 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.800 think is that because we have finite amounts of power 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.280 for a variety of reasons, mostly corruption, but because of 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.480 that reason, and we're all kind of competing against one 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.960 another and at the same time the government is going 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.760 all in based literally on the AI industry that this 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:07.120 will offset and a lot of their costs, which are 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.640 you know, a huge bet on AI which may not 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.320 actually be a good bet, and then socialize it to 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.800 the entire United States and the consumer who's already struggling 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.040 with inflation. So I think it's one of those where 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.120 as power prices, you know, look, I think they're going 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.040 to continue to go up or broadly stay up because 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.000 of this, and a lot of the industry has continues 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.400 to pour all these billions of dollars, which is good 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.880 for the stock market, not necessarily good for the quote 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.440 real economy because it's the only thing really propping us 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.360 all that up. It's a huge bet that's increasing costs 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.480 on the way up, and it could also increase costs 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.639 on the way down if it does cause a recession. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.360 I think that's one of the most dangerous points. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.040 No, and that Georgia election, so no Democrats had been 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.200 elected to that board since two thousand and seven, okay, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:55.359 and you have two Democrats who won by like massive mark. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.880 They won by like twenty points. It was not close, 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.120 and so you know, there were a variety of reasons 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.880 when I saw that, I was like, you know, it 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.919 fits my own view of the world a little too 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.880 closely that this would be all driven by electricity prices 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.359 and by data centers. So I was glad to see 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.520 the New York Times go and actually interview voters and 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.480 come to find out those voters were like, yes, I'm 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.800 a lifelong Republican and I cast my ballot for two 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.800 Democrats because I am disgusted with the rate hikes and 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.440 the data center billdouns that are impacting my life directly. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.400 So I'm not saying that's one hundred percent of what 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:31.840 was going on. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.320 Part of what was going on as a low turn 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.000 on election, part of what was going on as there 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.720 were some i think Atlanta municipal elections that drove more 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.600 Democrats to the polls. Those were factors that well as 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.240 well that led it to be such a blowout. But 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.200 it certainly appears that the data center build out and 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.960 the fact of consistent rate hikes and electricity bills skyrocketing 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.640 led to the blowout victory of these two Democrats. Now 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.360 you have, you know, other Democrats who are really picking 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.240 up the message, realizing that this is an incredibly potent issue. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.280 As Soccer mentioned, you had a few trial runs in 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.520 Virginia as well, where that messaging really seemed to pay off. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:13.120 Mikey Cheryl also ran on freezing any rate hikes on 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.839 the utilities in New Jersey, so that seems to have, 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.360 you know, helped to power her victory as well. Tomorrow, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.120 we're going to cover this Tennessee special election that is 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.480 happening tomorrow in a Trump plus twenty two district where 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.400 you have the Democrat Afton Bain, who is running aggressively 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:34.440 also on overall affordability, specifically on electricity prices, and I 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:35.760 don't know that she's going to be able to pull 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.480 it off. It is a tough hill to climb, and 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.920 again a Trump plus twenty two district. But they are 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.080 nervous enough on the Republican side that they've sent in 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.479 Jade Vance, They've sent in Mike Johnson, they're fundraising aggressively, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.280 they're running all sorts of very aggressive ads against her, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.800 like they are nervous that this could be an upset 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.560 and the fact that she's even in the ballpark is 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:59.000 completely insane. So you know, we've covered here how Steve 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.480 Bannon and others real that this is an incredibly potent 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.200 populist issue, and the Trump administration is driving the train 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.240 in terms of the AI buildout. Republicans, of course, are 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.120 always very close to corporate power. Many Democrats are as 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.880 well too, by the way, but I think this is 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.960 going to become a more and more salient issue as 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.640 people connect the dots of these data centers that are 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.000 going in and I'm not super happy about anyway, and 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:26.720 my electricity price is going up. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.359 Yeah, of course. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:28.960 And one of the things that we have to keep 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.040 looking behind the scenes at is what about the money. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.159 How where's it going to come from? 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.960 Because it's not just now, it's already fueling the data 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.880 center boom, it's ten years in the future. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:39.720 Let's go to the next one. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.039 Please put this on the screen so they say open 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.840 AI is quote a loss making machine. Estimates it has 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.720 no road to profitability by twenty thirty and will need 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:54.000 a further two hundred billion in funding even if it 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:54.640 gets there. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.160 Quote, don't call it a bubble. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.839 Loss making monster is on the hook for one point 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.119 for trillion with the in compute commitments as companies start 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.119 turning to debt to fund the AI craze. I actually 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.839 thought that They summarized it really well and showed even 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.600 within their funding because even I didn't understand the extent 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.240 to which not only are the losses the problem, how 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.240 even with their hundreds of billions in capitalization, that they 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.680 still don't have the money to even fulfill all of 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.360 their commitments. This is why I said, you're going to 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.679 pay on the way up in terms of power prices, 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.240 and you can pay on the way down if we 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.279 have a recession, that's going to affect everything, and everybody's 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:30.800 going to get fired, no matter whether you work in 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.200 AI or not, because that's what happened with the financial 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.760 crisis too. That's what happens socks start to go down 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.160 twenty five thirty percent. It's a disaster, right obviously, And 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.800 so you can see in all of this that the 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.200 signs are bubbling up. Let's go to the next one. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.080 But this is one of the most important ones. We 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.640 didn't cover it unfortunately at the time. This happened about 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.360 twelve fifteen days ago. But you'll remember I talked about 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.560 a lot of those vendor finance deals where they announce 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.000 a deal and then the stock goes up, effectively paying 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.360 for it even though no money has yet change hands. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.400 This Oracle deal was really important. They say, Oracle is 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.400 already underwater on its quote astonishing three hundred billion dollar 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.040 open Ai deal, because what happened is that when Oracle 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.920 announced the three hundred dollars deal with the chatbot, its 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:20.840 stock shed some three hundred and fifteen billion in market value. Now, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.400 it's obviously market cap is not the only thing, you know. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.160 That's not exactly saying that they lost some three hundred billion, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.560 But the equivalents of quote Oracle shares I've little changed 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.120 over twine. So the sixty billion dollar loss figure is 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.840 not entirely wrong. And what it has done is this 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.360 cost it nearly as much as one entire General Motors 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.440 or two entire craft higns investor onion stems from the 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:46.160 betting of a debt finance data farm on open Ai. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:47.200 We have nothing. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.840 What they show also is that the theory goes that 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.040 open Ai is in a rush to quote discover agi 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.040 and that Oracle is quote uniquely able to scale the 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.760 compute capacity. They promise the lowest up from and the 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.240 fastest path to income generation. But quote Oracle doesn't have 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.320 as much operating profit to burn as its competitors, so 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.840 throwing everything that it can, it's supporting this one customer 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.640 in exchange for an IOU. Now the fact is, though, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.800 is that the fact that their market cap and their 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.320 stock is not performing means that people are having less 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.200 faith in that IOU for the view, and you should 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.000 shouldn't you? It doesn't make any sense in the aggurant 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.040 So I don't know. I just think I think that 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.760 the problem remains the cost is going up for all 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.800 of us, and if it works, the cost will then 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.280 continue to go more. But as it goes down, it 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.480 just increasingly looks like at some point something needs to 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.520 pop that we will be left kind of like with 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.000 the wreckage of all these data centers, and then it 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.120 will be put to use for what we won't have 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:50.520 agi we won't cure cancer. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.520 Well, i'll show you all what it's being used for 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.080 right now. C four. Let's put this up here on 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:55.520 the screen. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.640 This is new quote nano banana versus nano banana pro 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.200 so on the left. This is the image generator, was 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.360 a previous image generator of This is a girl who's 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.200 at a bar. If you're just listening bartender in the back, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:09.840 you can just tell it doesn't pass. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.240 It has this sen to it where it looks a 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.520 little it looks good, but it looks a little surreal. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.320 If you have a sophisticated eye, you could look at 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:20.880 that one and go, I think that's AI. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.560 The one on the right for those who are watching, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.240 that's also AI generated. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.000 It looks on. There's nothing in. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.680 That photograph that I could be able to identify as fake, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.360 not one, absolutely not. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:33.320 The lighting is perfect. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.800 It looks whoever sitting across from her took a picture 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:41.400 with their iPhone and posted, yes, it's indistinguishable from reality. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.280 Right, Not a single thing passes the test on that 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.600 one for me to say that that is fake. And 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.560 so yeah, I mean that's that's really what it all. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.920 And this is kind of remains my critique is that 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:59.040 everything they're doing is slop. It's just slopifying the entire economy. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.439 It's like, oh, image generation. I keep talking about the NFL, 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.400 but it is important because nobody who's curing cancer is 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.520 advertising on the NFL. They just they the results are 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.000 the same. Instead they're like, hey, book a flight or whatever. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.160 I'm like, oh, you want to replace Expedia, You basically 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.280 want to replace Google, Chrome, that's what they did with 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.000 the chat GPT browser. That is not worth all this 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.400 money being poured and the power bills and everything. Image 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.160 generation Like, I'm sorry, Yes, it's a better research tool. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.320 Cool. I think that's I actually think it's cool. I 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:28.280 use it often. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.480 But that's not the promise of like this breakthrough, you 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.520 know kind of thing. It could come potentially with all 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.599 of that, but I'm not buying I'm not buying it. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:37.760 Right. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.400 Well, I hope you're right, because I think the actual 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.520 promise being fulfilled, you know, I think is a much 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.360 scarier prospect of them actually making good on their promise 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.439 to eliminate all or most jobs. I don't think we're 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.120 ready for that. I don't think we're ready for this. 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.840 I don't think we're ready for a world where we 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.760 can't tell back from fiction. I mean, you think we 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.320 have responsible full of actors and an educated society to 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.600 be able to parse things out. Do you think that 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.960 our tech oligarchs that are running our information ecosystem, like 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:09.960 Elon with Grock, do you think that they're going to 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.800 responsibly use this technology. I think this is already where 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:18.080 it's at incredibly disturbing and incredibly destabilizing. You know, for 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.080 us to have a sort of shared project here, we 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.520 have to at least have some metric of a shared reality, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.640 and that is under full scale assault by these AI tools, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.360 and there is nothing in place to protect us at 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.760 this point. One last thing, going back to that Financial 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.640 Times piece about Oracle and the deal with open Ai. 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.160 You know, one of the reasons why this is so 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.880 significant is because if you think about that infamous chart 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.400 that showed all the lines going from Nvidia to open 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.000 Ai and from open Ai back to Vida, you know, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.400 all these companies just doing deals with themselves. The way 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.320 that the bubble has continued to be inflated is that 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.000 every time one of those deals got done, even though 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.760 no real new value value was being created, investors liked 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.520 it and the stock price went up. So there was 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.920 some sort of theoretical value that was created even though 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.559 nothing real had happened in the economy. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.120 Because this deal. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.800 Which was a sizeable deal, didn't react, there wasn't a 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.760 similar stock market reaction. It begs the question of whether 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.400 this mechanism that they've used to inflate the bubble, inflate 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.800 the bubble and keep the line going up, whether that 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.520 has run its course, So one of the things that 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.240 has inflated the bubble seems this is one indication that 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.800 that particular mechanism may have run its course. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.280 The way they put it in the articles they say 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:37.880 beyond the charts. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.600 A broader question relates to whether an open ai deal 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.319 is still worth announcing. A few months ago, any kind 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.640 of agreement with open ai could make a share price 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.000 go up. Open Ai did very nicely out of its 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.000 power to reflect glory, most notably in October when it 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.800 took am D warrants as part of a chip deal 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.040 that bumps share price by twenty four percent. But Oracle 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.679 is not only the is not the only laggard. Broadcommon 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.600 Amazon are both downfallowing open aideal news will Nvidia's barely 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.559 changed since its investment agreement in September without a share 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.199 price lift, what's the point? Combined trillion dollars of aikapex 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.200 might look like commitment, but investment fashions are fickle. So 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.040 another warning sign that possibly this thing could be running 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.840 out of runway. Now my own opinion, not being an expert, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.360 and that any of this is that they are going 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.560 to continue to inflate this bubble as long as they 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.360 possibly can, because they have to, because a bunch of 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.960 their fortunes are tied to it. The entire US economy 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.800 is tied to it. I mean, these companies already are 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.840 too big to fail simply from the fact that we 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.080 have as you know that our leaders have decided to 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.200 bet our entire economy on this stuff. So I think 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.199 they will move heaven and earth to make sure line 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:55.000 continue to go up. But at some point, either they're 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.640 going to deliver on their promise slash threat to take 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.200 all of our jobs, or you're going to have a 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:04.439 tremendous financial calamity. And also perhaps both is also. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:04.880 On the table. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.040 Yes, that's exactly right. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.080 Okay, let's get to Afghans. We're going to skip our 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.280 frauds or block just we've gone a little bit long. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:14.680 We want to make sure we have plenty of time 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.040 with seth Harp to discuss. Let's get to it. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.560 So, as you guys probably know, over the holiday, two 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:25.240 National guardsmen were shot here in Washington, d C. And 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.440 one of them actually succumbed to their wounds. We're learning 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.600 quite a bit about the suspected gunman, who was an 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.920 Afghan National who was apparently part of our CIA backed 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.640 death squads in Afghanistan before coming over and being granted 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.600 refugee asylum status here in the US. So to dig 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.200 into this background and what exactly the hell is going 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.960 on with it, we have literally the perfect person, Seth Harp, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.560 who is an incredible investigative journalist and also the author 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:59.360 of the also incredible book The Fort Bragg Cartel, which 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.480 we learned as turned into a series by HBO. Seth, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:03.440 Great to have you, Good. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:04.760 To see you man, Good to be with you all. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.400 Thanks for having me, yeah, of course. So let's put 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.960 you two up on the screen. This is some of 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.320 your writing on Twitter about who this guy was. You 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:17.080 say he was recruited at fifteen to kill for the CIA, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.440 assigned to a desk squad run by the top drug 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.560 lord in Afghanistan, sol destroyed murdering innocence on behalf of 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.120 a pedophile heroin cartel, then brought to live in the 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:31.680 alienated hell world of late capitalist America with predictable results. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.480 Tell us what we know about him specifically and about 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.040 the desk squads that he was involved with. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.880 Well, that statement that you just showed up there might 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.640 sound hyperbolic, but unfortunately those are all accurate statements of 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.120 reality around the sky and who he was and what 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:55.480 the Zero Units did in Afghanistan. Raman Walla lock Con 0:15:55.480 --> 0:16:00.280 I'm sorry pronouncing his name. He apparently was recruited at 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.600 fifteen to serve in what's called Zero Units. Zero Unit 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.440 number three was the one, apparently that he was assigned to, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.360 also known as the Kandahar Strike Force, which was headed 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.800 by a US ally warlord named Ahmad Wali Karzai, who 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.840 the top drug lord in Afghanistan, as a fair way 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.760 to describe him. He ran the Zero Units for basically 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.680 US proxy forces that operated at the direction of the 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.640 CIA and the Special Forces in Afghanistan, and they primarily 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.800 did what's called night raids you've mystically known as knight 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.560 They're more like assassination missions, and they were used extensively 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.960 throughout the country to kill people that the US intelligence 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.800 suspected of being Taliban. Whether or not they actually were 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:55.320 Taliban is quite a different matter. And the reference to pedophilia. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.680 There is the fact that a lot of these proxy 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.520 forces proxy militias in fact practice something called batscha basi, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:09.399 which was a really despicable cultural practice where underage boys 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.560 were traffics and sold. All this ugliness is stuff that 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.280 went on in the sort in the criminal client state 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.960 that the US American national security objectives in Afghanistan. The 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.280 Condahar Strike Force that he served in was was in 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.240 the middle of all of it. There's more stuff to 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.360 it than that, as well, land theft, all kinds of criminality. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.480 So it's really sad to see that stuff blowing back 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:32.920 onto the to the United States. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.520 Yeah, so let's put the next one guys up there 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.919 on the screen. This is E three. This talks about 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.560 his dark isolation the community was raising concerns many of 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.720 the people around him. Seth, I want to put my 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.560 conspiracy hat on and I'll just have you kind of 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.840 steal man. The official narrative is that this is somebody 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.640 who was exposed to CIA death squad for years. He's 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.520 brought over to the United States, suffered a mental isolation. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.760 At the same time, we've seen many cases that people 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.760 come to the United States, they're in a dark they're 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.720 in a fragile case, they have this killer background. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:10.359 Is it outside the realm of. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.679 Possibility that I'm not saying there's evidence or anything, just 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:17.320 based on based on your interpretation, your experience of covering this. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.879 I mean, how was there is there any likelihood or 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:24.439 possibility of being prodded or influenced by some organization or 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.119 others around him. I think a lot of people are 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.280 asking that question considering his background. 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.800 I mean, it would be irresponsible for me to just 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.119 speculate about that without evidence. I do hear what you're saying. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:40.280 You know what it was the Gusanos from Cuba of 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.840 the nineteen sixties, all the Cubans that were brought to 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.080 Florida to train to try to overthrow Fidel Castro in 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.560 the failed Baya Pigs operation. Well after that operation failed 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.960 for years and years in the nineteen sixties and seventies 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.040 and eighties, those same veterans of the Bay of Pigs, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.679 those they were used to carry out all sorts of 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:03.600 off the books, CIA and Jaysock objectives and all across 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.399 Latin America. They did terrorism and drug trafficking at the 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.680 behest of some of the shadiest actors in the American 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.399 national security state. And so when you look at the 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:19.040 idea that ten thousand of these the zero units, you know, 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.760 doing assassination missions for ten fifteen years, that They've all 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.720 been repatriated to the US and are dependent on their 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.840 CIA handlers for their immigration status, for their special immigrant visas. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.960 You kind of wonder, you know, to what extent they're 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.439 a malleable group of people. I'm used and directed for 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.320 all kinds of nefarious inns, but I don't have any 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.080 specific information about this, about this killer's motives. Lock On 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:47.320 Wall is his last name. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.359 You have pointed output four up on the screen that 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.320 there was another one of these Afghan mercenaries who you 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.440 said was brought to the US after kabble Felt shot 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.000 a cop in Virginia. You say, listened to the incredible 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.320 rant he delivers before he snaps, and watch how smoothly 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.520 he draws and racks his weapon. Obviously a professional killer 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.040 at his wits end. And I believe that Denier say 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.880 something like, you know, I should have worked for the Taliban. Yeah, 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.439