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Speaker 1: Let's turn out to data centers.

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Speaker 3: More of the political world and the news media is

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Speaker 3: opening up to this live issue, and let's put this

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Speaker 3: up here on the screen. Quote the new price of eggs,

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Speaker 3: the political shocks of data centers and electric bills in

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Speaker 3: New York Times starting to pay attention, actually doing a

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Speaker 3: decent enough job of going over and actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: interviewing some of the people who are most affected. So

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Speaker 3: they actually open the story with cattle ranchers in Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Quote they had one thing on their minds when they

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Speaker 3: cast their ballots for the state's utility board to make

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Speaker 3: a statement. They were irked by their escalating electric bills,

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Speaker 3: not to mention extra fifty bucks a month levied by

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Speaker 3: than two hundred miles away, but after they heard a

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Speaker 3: data center might be built next to their ranch sixty

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Speaker 3: miles southwest of Atlanta, they had enough of Republicans who

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Speaker 3: were far too receptive to the interests of the booming

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Speaker 3: AI industry.

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Speaker 1: First time I ever voted Democrat.

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Speaker 3: Mister Peyton fifty eight says, So you can see in

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Speaker 3: that anecdote the political price. Now as this has propelled

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Speaker 3: two Democrats in the state of Georgia to upset you. Also,

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Speaker 3: as I have said here before, there are opposition organic

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Speaker 3: movements across the nation. Tucson, Arizona, here in Virginia, New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: All the candidates here in Virginia basically were like against

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Speaker 3: data centers, the power bills. Just what it demonstrates, I

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Speaker 3: think is that because we have finite amounts of power

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Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons, mostly corruption, but because of

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Speaker 3: that reason, and we're all kind of competing against one

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Speaker 3: another and at the same time the government is going

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Speaker 3: all in based literally on the AI industry that this

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Speaker 3: will offset and a lot of their costs, which are

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Speaker 3: you know, a huge bet on AI which may not

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Speaker 3: actually be a good bet, and then socialize it to

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Speaker 3: the entire United States and the consumer who's already struggling

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Speaker 3: with inflation. So I think it's one of those where

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Speaker 3: as power prices, you know, look, I think they're going

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Speaker 3: of this, and a lot of the industry has continues

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Speaker 3: to pour all these billions of dollars, which is good

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Speaker 3: all that up. It's a huge bet that's increasing costs

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the most dangerous points.

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Speaker 2: No, and that Georgia election, so no Democrats had been

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Speaker 2: elected to that board since two thousand and seven, okay,

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Speaker 2: and you have two Democrats who won by like massive mark.

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Speaker 2: They won by like twenty points. It was not close,

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Speaker 2: when I saw that, I was like, you know, it

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Speaker 2: come to find out those voters were like, yes, I'm

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Speaker 2: a lifelong Republican and I cast my ballot for two

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Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that's one hundred percent of what

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Speaker 2: Part of what was going on as a low turn

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Speaker 2: well that led it to be such a blowout. But

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Speaker 2: As Soccer mentioned, you had a few trial runs in

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Speaker 2: and the fact that she's even in the ballpark is

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Speaker 2: completely insane. So you know, we've covered here how Steve

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Speaker 2: Bannon and others real that this is an incredibly potent

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Speaker 2: populist issue, and the Trump administration is driving the train

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Speaker 2: in terms of the AI buildout. Republicans, of course, are

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Speaker 2: always very close to corporate power. Many Democrats are as

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Speaker 2: going in and I'm not super happy about anyway, and

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Speaker 2: my electricity price is going up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that we have to keep

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Speaker 1: How where's it going to come from?

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Speaker 3: Because it's not just now, it's already fueling the data

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Speaker 3: center boom, it's ten years in the future.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the next one.

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Speaker 3: Please put this on the screen so they say open

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Speaker 3: AI is quote a loss making machine. Estimates it has

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Speaker 3: no road to profitability by twenty thirty and will need

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Speaker 3: a further two hundred billion in funding even if it

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Speaker 1: Quote, don't call it a bubble.

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Speaker 3: Loss making monster is on the hook for one point

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Speaker 3: going to get fired, no matter whether you work in

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Speaker 3: so you can see in all of this that the

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Speaker 3: But this is one of the most important ones. We

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Speaker 3: didn't cover it unfortunately at the time. This happened about

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Speaker 3: a lot of those vendor finance deals where they announce

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Speaker 3: This Oracle deal was really important. They say, Oracle is

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Speaker 3: already underwater on its quote astonishing three hundred billion dollar

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Speaker 3: stock shed some three hundred and fifteen billion in market value. Now,

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Speaker 3: That's not exactly saying that they lost some three hundred billion,

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Speaker 3: But the equivalents of quote Oracle shares I've little changed

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Speaker 3: not entirely wrong. And what it has done is this

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Speaker 1: We have nothing.

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Speaker 3: What they show also is that the theory goes that

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Speaker 1: right now. C four. Let's put this up here on

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Speaker 3: This is new quote nano banana versus nano banana pro

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Speaker 2: It has this sen to it where it looks a

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Speaker 3: The one on the right for those who are watching,

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Speaker 3: that's also AI generated.

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Speaker 1: It looks on. There's nothing in.

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Speaker 3: That photograph that I could be able to identify as fake,

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Speaker 1: The lighting is perfect.

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Speaker 2: It looks whoever sitting across from her took a picture

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Speaker 2: with their iPhone and posted, yes, it's indistinguishable from reality.

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Speaker 3: Right, Not a single thing passes the test on that

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean that's that's really what it all.

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Speaker 3: And this is kind of remains my critique is that

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Speaker 3: everything they're doing is slop. It's just slopifying the entire economy.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, image generation. I keep talking about the NFL,

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Speaker 3: but it is important because nobody who's curing cancer is

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Speaker 2: So, as you guys probably know, over the holiday, two

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Speaker 5: Well, that statement that you just showed up there might

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Speaker 5: his side arm and ammunition like externally on a belt,

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Speaker 5: which you know that's legal in Texas, I don't know Virginia.

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Speaker 5: But when he finally makes the decision, he's going to

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Speaker 5: escalate and turn this into a confrontation with the cop.

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Speaker 5: I mean the way he draws his weapon and racks

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Speaker 5: it so quickly and immediately is able to turn around

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Speaker 5: and fire a couple of shots, like underhanded, across his

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Speaker 5: body at the police officer saying in his window so

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Speaker 5: smoothly shows you know, I just watching it, you can

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Speaker 5: tell this is the guy who's been in fights, probably,

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Speaker 5: But you know, there was a cop at his other

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Speaker 5: window who just really quickly put him down. But it's

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Speaker 5: another really disturbing example of you know, violence blowing back

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Speaker 5: or emanating from these guys that were brought to the US.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's about the clearest example of imperial blowback

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Speaker 2: you could possibly imagine.

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Speaker 5: I think that's fair to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think one of the things that's been

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Speaker 3: crazy about this, Chris, is that, you know, we were

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Speaker 3: reading the news and it comes out CIA at age fifteen,

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Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh, it's ciat and I'm like, hold say

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Speaker 3: that again, teenager working for a CIA death squad in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 3: And we're just like all supposed to just accept that

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Speaker 3: this is apparently normal. I mean I didn't even know,

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Speaker 3: you know, based on your work and others later on,

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Speaker 3: but at that time, nobody was going around telling the

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Speaker 3: American people that this is exactly, you know, what they're

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Speaker 3: up to in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: Combined.

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Speaker 3: I think with your book, what we're watching is an

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Speaker 3: organized kind of effort for all of us to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Like you said in the in your book about the

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Speaker 3: blowback of what all the special operations, the mental toll

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Speaker 3: in others, that this twenty year campaign failed campaign ultimately accomplished,

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Speaker 3: and what it brought to our soil.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I was looking at this.

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Speaker 5: Well, the idea that they would recruit fifteen is perfectly

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Speaker 5: consistent with the type of logic that the US military

475
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Speaker 5: and intelligence agencies bring to bear with these conflicts, because

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Speaker 5: they certainly won't hesitate to kill somebody who's fifteen. They

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Speaker 5: treat that as a military age male. So there's no

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Speaker 5: internal inconsistency there. But back now, I think reflects the

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Speaker 5: brutality and ruthlessness with which the United States wage war

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Speaker 5: in Afghanistan for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Christy Nome was asked about the killer's background. This is

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Speaker 2: E one, guys, Let's go ahead and take a listen

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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 5: Why did he do this? Why did he drive across

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Speaker 5: the country and carry out this brazen attack in Washington.

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Speaker 6: Well, the investigation is still ongoing, and we're allowing our

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Speaker 6: partnership with the FBI and DOJ to continue to reveal

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Speaker 6: all of the sources of motivation. But we do believe

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Speaker 6: this individual when they came into the country, we know

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Speaker 6: he was unvetted. He was brought into the country by

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Speaker 6: the Biden administration through Operation Allies Welcome and then maybe

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Speaker 6: vetted after that, but not done well. Based on what

493
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Speaker 6: the guidelines were put forward by President Biden, and now

494
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Speaker 6: since he's been here, we believe he could have been

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Speaker 6: radicalized in his home community and in his home states.

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Speaker 6: So as we continue to talk to his family and

497
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Speaker 6: his contexts, more details will be revealed and will release

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Speaker 6: those when it's appropriate. But this is something that for

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Speaker 6: these individuals when they're brought into our country, it's a

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Speaker 6: dangerous situation if you don't know who they are, if

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Speaker 6: they're coming from a country that's not stable and doesn't

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Speaker 6: have a government that can help you vet them, that

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Speaker 6: we shouldn't allow it.

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Speaker 2: And she indicates that he could have been radicalized in

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Speaker 2: the United States, which you know, I would say probably

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Speaker 2: the radicalization came from being on the CIA desk squad

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Speaker 2: at the age of fifteen. But you know, they want

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Speaker 2: they have an interest in making it sound like a

509
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Speaker 2: scary Islam thing versus a scary deep state CIA.

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Speaker 4: Imperial blowback thing.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously like her thing about he wasn't vetted.

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Speaker 2: I mean in the context of part of the death

513
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Speaker 2: squads and being broad here, et cetera, he was quote

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Speaker 2: unquote vetted. They knew who this guy was, they knew

515
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Speaker 2: what he was up to, and also worth clarifying that

516
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Speaker 2: he was actually granted asylum under the Trump administration. So

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Speaker 2: they want to make it a partisan thing. They want

518
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Speaker 2: to make it a scary Islam thing because that serves

519
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Speaker 2: their interest in using this for a more aggressive crackdown

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Speaker 2: on immigration from all sorts of countries. Trump has been

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Speaker 2: talking a lot about Somalians lately too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what they mean when they say

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Speaker 5: vetted for what I mean for I guess for connections

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Speaker 5: to the Taliban, right, But it can't be for like

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Speaker 5: terrorism crime. I mean, the people that the US worked

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Speaker 5: with were the drug traffickers and the terrorists in Afghanistan, right.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know what kind of connections they're looking

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Speaker 5: for or looking to rule out. But yes, like you said, Crystal,

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Speaker 5: in any event, you know, participating in death squad activities

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Speaker 5: when you're still a teenage that's sufficient to radicalize anybody.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to look too much farther for an

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Speaker 5: next explanation, even though you know the precise, perhaps mentally

533
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Speaker 5: ill reasoning that led him, you know, to that street

534
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Speaker 5: corner in Washington, d C. We may never know, but

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Speaker 5: it's not really necessary to grasp at the idea that

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Speaker 5: he might have been what radicalized in suburban Virginia. Yeah, don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't think so. I really doubt that radical Islam

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Speaker 5: had anything to do with the shooter's motivation. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's why he was attacking national guards. But it looks

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Speaker 5: like he's lashing out at the people who shaped his

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Speaker 5: life with military operations and brought him to the United

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Speaker 5: States and basically set him up to fail and community

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Speaker 5: where you know, a person from Afghanistan just has a

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Speaker 5: little chance, especially if they're dealing with all the accumulated

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Speaker 5: trauma of having participated in violence and having killed people

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Speaker 5: and having seen innocent people killed and have probably having

547
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Speaker 5: friends killed as well. So yeah, Christinum's statements can safely

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Speaker 5: be dismissed in that regard.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Man. We appreciate you your book and everything, and the work

551
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Speaker 3: you do is just so important. I remember the first

552
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Speaker 3: time we had you on the show for that drug

553
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Speaker 3: trafficking story. From the very beginning, I was like, man,

554
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Speaker 3: this guy. It's one of those where you just bring

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Speaker 3: together so much information which I think a lot of

556
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Speaker 3: us knew, but you put the facts the words and

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Speaker 3: some of the work behind it.

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Speaker 1: So thank you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: The balls by the way, yeah, really end up appreciate respect, Seth,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much. I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 5: the show. Watch every day.

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Speaker 4: Thanks. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: So we have some significant developments coming out of Israel,

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Speaker 2: in particular Prime Minister Benjamin Netna, who is officially requesting

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Speaker 2: a pardon. As you guys probably know, he has been

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Speaker 2: mired in corruption allegations and a corruption trial for years

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Speaker 2: that he has been pushing off again and again into

570
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Speaker 2: the future by you know, bombing various places and starting

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Speaker 2: various wars. Let's put this up on the screen. This

572
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Speaker 2: is from the ap Netna who requests the pardon to

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Speaker 2: end his ongoing corruption trial in Israel. I'll read you

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Speaker 2: a little bit of this. On Sunday, he asked the

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Speaker 2: country's president to grant him a pardon from corruption charges,

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Speaker 2: seeking to end a long running trial that has bitterly

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Speaker 2: divided the nation. Net Yahoo has been at war against

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Speaker 2: Israel's legal system over the charges. Said the request would

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Speaker 2: help unify the country at a time of momentous change

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Speaker 2: in the region, but It immediately triggered denunciations from opponents,

581
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Speaker 2: who said a pardon would weaken democratic institutions and send

582
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Speaker 2: a dangerous message that he is above the rule of law.

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Speaker 2: Net Naho had submitted a request for a pardon to

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Speaker 2: the Legal Department of the Office of the President, the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's office said in a statement. The President's office

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Speaker 2: called it an extraordinary request carrying with its significant implications.

587
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Speaker 2: Net now Who's the only sitting prime minister in Israeli

588
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Speaker 2: history to stand trial after being charged with fraud, breach

589
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Speaker 2: of trust, and accepting bribes in three separate cases accusing

590
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Speaker 2: him of exchanging favors with wealthy political supporters. He has

591
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Speaker 2: not been convicted of anything. Net Yahoo rejects the allegations,

592
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Speaker 2: has described the case as what a witch hunt orchestrated

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Speaker 2: by the media, police and judiciary. And we can put

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Speaker 2: next one up on the screen. So one of his

595
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Speaker 2: rivals supports pardening net Nyah, who if it's conditioned on

596
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Speaker 2: his leaving politics, which I do not think that netna

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Speaker 2: Who would agree to. You know, For those who have

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Speaker 2: followed this closely, Prior to October seventh, net Yaho was

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Speaker 2: extremely unpopular. The country was riven with mass protests demanding

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Speaker 2: his ouster and people you know who were outraged over

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Speaker 2: this corruption and also the changes that he tried to

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Speaker 2: make to basically co opt the judiciary in order to

603
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Speaker 2: undercut the corruption charges against him. And our own president

604
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Speaker 2: of course has gotten involved here as well. It can

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Speaker 2: put F three up on the screen. So Trump called

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Speaker 2: for bb to be pardoned when he gave that you

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Speaker 2: know what was basically like looked like a victory speech

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Speaker 2: at the Kanesset after the Gaza deal was struck. But

609
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Speaker 2: he had also put out this truth social saying it's

610
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Speaker 2: terrible what they're doing in Israel. To bb Net Nyaho,

611
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Speaker 2: he is a war hero and a prime minister who

612
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Speaker 2: did a fabulous job working with us to bring great

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Speaker 2: success and getting rid of the dangerous nuclear threat. And

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Speaker 2: iron importantly is right now in the process of negotiating

615
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Speaker 2: deal with Hamasis was back from a while ago, which

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Speaker 2: will include getting the hostages back. How is it possible

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Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister of Israel can be forced to

618
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Speaker 2: sit in a courtroom all day long over nothing? And

619
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Speaker 2: then he says cigars, bugs, bunny doll, et cetera. It

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Speaker 2: is a political witch hunt. Very similar to the witch hunt.

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Speaker 2: I was forced to endure. This travesty of justice will

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Speaker 2: interfere with both Iron and AMAS negotiations. In other words,

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Speaker 2: it is insanity doing what the out of control prosecutors

624
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Speaker 2: are doing to bb Neatnyahu. The US of A spends

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars a year, far more than any other

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Speaker 2: nation protecting and supporting Israel. Well, that part at least

627
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Speaker 2: is true. We're not going to stand for this. We

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Speaker 2: just had a great victory with bidb net Nyahu at

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Speaker 2: the Helm, and this greatly tarnishes our victory.

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Speaker 4: Let bb go. He's got a big job.

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Speaker 2: To do, so, you know, pretty extraordinary, I guess. For

632
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Speaker 2: one of the things they're saying is typically you like

633
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Speaker 2: go through the trial and find out whether or not

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Speaker 2: the person is found guilty before you grant the pardon.

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Speaker 2: So that is one part of this that would be extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: But you know, net Yahu has pushed this thing off,

637
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Speaker 2: pushed this thing off, push this thing off, pushed your

638
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: reckoning over the security failures too of October seventh, off

639
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Speaker 2: and off and off into the future, and really has

640
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Speaker 2: consolidated a lot of political power, control and popularity within

641
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Speaker 2: Israel over his conduct of this genocide.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think, but I think that the irony of

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Speaker 3: it is that he still has to admit guilt if

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Speaker 3: he wants his pardon within the Israeli legal system, and

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Speaker 3: so I don't know. I mean, it's one of those

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Speaker 3: where the mere part in. One of the things that

647
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Speaker 3: is fascinating about Trump is that the United States, when

648
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Speaker 3: it intervenes in other countries, usually does so under much

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Speaker 3: more of the veneer of respectability. But as we talked

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Speaker 3: about earlier with Honduras, he's straight up like, I want

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Speaker 3: this government to win, and so I'm going to pardon

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Speaker 3: this guy, and you guys should vote for or in

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Speaker 3: with Milay, he's like, your aid.

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Speaker 1: Is contingent on who you elect.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's as open and shut as like there's

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Speaker 3: no Midon conspiracy or yes.

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Speaker 4: It is Braizen in the area, right, It's just.

658
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Speaker 1: Out in the open.

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Speaker 3: And so I ask what this admits though, is that, yeah,

660
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Speaker 3: Israel is a client. Like one of the things that

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Speaker 3: Bibie often does is he'll be like, well, we're an

662
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Speaker 3: independent nation, right, But that's not what this is about.

663
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Speaker 3: Trump straight up was like, you guys need to pardon him.

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Speaker 3: His contingent relationship is on this leader and making sure

665
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Speaker 3: that he can continue to serve. Also to all Minish bullshit.

666
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Speaker 3: Did we hear about how throughout the war is We'll

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Speaker 3: talk about October seventh, after the war. Now, obviously the

668
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: war is still continuing because there's these fire violations happening

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Speaker 3: from the Israelis all the time. But in Israel, what

670
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: happened to that? Does anybody want to?

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Speaker 1: You know? It's it was.

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Speaker 3: It's obvious that his entire strategy, it worked two years,

673
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Speaker 3: led Israel through the war. Okay, And now he's gonna

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Speaker 3: get his pardon. I don't know if he'll win reelection

675
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Speaker 3: or not, but they're currently feuding with Ahud Barack over

676
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Speaker 3: whether Epstein was a mos Odd asset and intervening in

677
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: their elections, over which Israeli government he was working on

678
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Speaker 3: behalf Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's so crazy.

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Speaker 3: You know, this entire so the pardon, I mean again,

681
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Speaker 3: the funny part about it all for the whole Qatar

682
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: thing is it all involves Qatar like in terms of

683
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Speaker 3: not just in his own case, but I'm saying the

684
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: corruption within the Lukud party so much of it revolves

685
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: around Katari money and bribery, and yet of course that's

686
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: skated over by the Zionist people here in the US, So,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you learn a lot from it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, we also wanted to highlight this

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Speaker 2: horrifying video that is forcing at least some sort of

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Speaker 2: a response from Israel. You know, I mean, it's seldom

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Speaker 2: that their war crimes actually rise to the level of

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Speaker 2: them even pretending that this one rose the level of

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Speaker 2: we're going to pretend to do an investigation. That's what

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Speaker 2: this one rose to. This video is very disturbing. Before

696
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Speaker 2: I play it, just a warning, this is deeply disturbing

697
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: and put this up on the screen. This was in

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Speaker 2: the West Bank. You can see these two suspects who

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Speaker 2: are exiting what appears to be a warehouse and they

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Speaker 2: lift up their shirts to sh so that they are

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Speaker 2: unarmed and they don't have any explosives. Then they are

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Speaker 2: instructed to go back into the warehouse and they are

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Speaker 2: executed and then the you know, this heavy machinery sort

704
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: of drops this door on top of them. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you have two individuals hands up, unarmed, and whoever they

706
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Speaker 2: were Palestinian Islamic jihad is claiming them as their own,

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Speaker 2: whoever they were.

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Speaker 4: You are not.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to execute people who are surrendering and who are unarmed,

710
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Speaker 2: and yet that's exactly exactly what happened in this video.

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Speaker 2: And again this happened in the West Bank. But you know,

712
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: so there are some some in you know, recriminations, some like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we'll look into it, we'll investigate what happened here, but

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Speaker 2: not everyone is even going along with that. You've got

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Speaker 2: Ben Gavier, who took it upon himself. We can put

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Speaker 2: this next piece up on the screen to promote the

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00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: officer in particular who sort of took charge of the

718
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Speaker 2: scene and had his soldiers shoot dead these surrendered Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: So the you know, the people who committed these brazen

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Speaker 2: crimes on camera, not only are they not being punished,

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Speaker 2: but Ben Gavier has promoted this officer, and you know, job,

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Speaker 2: well done, great work on this.

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Speaker 4: This is exactly what you should be doing.

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Speaker 2: So I want people to understand, like every time some

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Speaker 2: Zionists or liberals and I whoever tries to tell you like,

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Speaker 2: oh he's been Ben Gavier is a he's a fringe character.

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00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't represent all of Israel. Blah, blah blah. This

728
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: guy has real power. He is a part of this administration.

729
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: He has real and significant power, and he is able

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Speaker 2: to take actions such as this. There was another video

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Speaker 2: I decided not to keep it in the show because

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Speaker 2: it included like young children in it of Smoschurch, who

733
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Speaker 2: is another complete and total psycho, going in to what

734
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Speaker 2: appears to be a classroom, and these young girls going

735
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Speaker 2: like he's you know, like he's the Beatles in the sixties,

736
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Speaker 2: like going wild for him. You know, this society has

737
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Speaker 2: just is just captured by this not everyone, but captured

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Speaker 2: by this genocidal media. You can see it in the polls,

739
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Speaker 2: you can see it in the response to actions like this.

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Speaker 2: You can see it in the way that they like

741
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: lionize and revere Smochrist. And this is something we talked

742
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Speaker 2: about towards the beginning soccer. Wheneverone's like, why are these

743
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: IDF soldiers filming their atrocities, it's because they were celebrated

744
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: and treated like heroes, oftentimes for recording the cruelty the

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Speaker 2: barbers and the war crimes that they were committing against

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Speaker 2: Palestinian So there was a domestic reward for them from

747
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Speaker 2: those videos.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it shows up in policy, and I think

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Speaker 3: that's one of the parts where you know, in the

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Speaker 3: US everyone.

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Speaker 1: Just whitewater like that video.

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Speaker 3: If yeah, you'll see it here, you're not going to

753
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Speaker 3: see it most places in the mainstream media or others.

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Speaker 3: Even with the West Bank in the way that we

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Speaker 3: approach coach like our ambassador. It's just amazing to me,

756
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Speaker 3: the shit they get away. I'm still not over Jonathan Pollard,

757
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: are you no, I'm still so I well, I'm so

758
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Speaker 3: angry about it.

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Speaker 4: The hypocrisy.

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Speaker 2: They tell us, oh, these they share our Westerns, they're

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Speaker 2: a light of a beacon of democracy, and that's why

762
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: we should support them endlessly. And then you see a

763
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: video like this and you're like, well, tell me about that,

764
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Speaker 2: and the officer involved gets a promotion. How is this

765
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Speaker 2: anything approximating the values that we're supposed to stand for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I exactly same with the west Man. And that's why.

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Speaker 3: Here's the reason is because if you take this in

768
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Speaker 3: then when they start talking about Qatar or Saudi, they're like, oh, goose,

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Speaker 3: Saudi's they chop people's heads off.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's pretty bad.

771
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Speaker 3: It's kind of like shooting people who are unarmed or

772
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Speaker 3: murdering innocent women and children. That's all bad, right, But

773
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Speaker 3: the point is is that then we start to view

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Speaker 3: everybody on the same terms. That's a nightmare for them.

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00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: They need their special exception and they just have to

776
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: maintain this insane image. You know, here in the US

777
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Speaker 3: a lot of this, like again, everything they accuse, a

778
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: lot of the things that they accuse others, and specifically

779
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Speaker 3: Islamic nations, they do the same shit like in their

780
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: own society, and so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just the same.

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Speaker 3: If anything. I think it's a nightmare actually for their

783
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Speaker 3: relations with the US. And you know, look us neutral

784
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: observers and others. You can see that, like you actually can.

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Speaker 3: And this is genuinely dispassionate just to look at it

786
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Speaker 3: and be like, okay, this is apparently how this nation,

787
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Speaker 3: it's people want to conduct themselves. All right, fine, but

788
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Speaker 3: you know that doesn't mean you get a blank check

789
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Speaker 3: from me or the you know, full force of my

790
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: empire to backstop your insane dreams of greater Israel. But

791
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Speaker 3: that's what they need to maintain. Yeah, and that's why

792
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Speaker 3: they keep up their efforts here in the West.

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Speaker 2: I did want to share one piece of significant good news,

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Speaker 2: which is that a Palstan American teenager, sixteen year old

795
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Speaker 2: who was being held in Israeli detention for nine months,

796
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Speaker 2: who was in the West Bank visiting from Flora, visiting

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Speaker 2: some relatives. The Israelis claimed that he had thrown rocks,

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Speaker 2: which he had denied, and they held him in this

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Speaker 2: prison system as known for torture and abuse, again an

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Speaker 2: American citizen, and he was finally finally released. And I

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Speaker 2: want to shout out Jasper Nathaniel, and I want to

802
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: set shout on his mom who'd been relentless in calling

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Speaker 2: attention to this case and demanding that American politicians act

804
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Speaker 2: on his behalf to get him released from this unjust imprisonment.

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Speaker 2: And I also want to shout out Chris van Holland

806
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Speaker 2: Senator Maryland. I mean, this isn't even this guy's from Florida,

807
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: this isn't even one of his constituents, but he was

808
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: apparently very aggressive pushing for Mohammed Ibrahim's release here. He

809
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Speaker 2: was fifteen, by the way, when they originally detained him.

810
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Speaker 2: He was taken to a hospital afterwards. He was pale, underweight,

811
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Speaker 2: suffering from various conditions that he contracted in captivity.

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Speaker 4: But he's back with his family.

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Speaker 2: And so that's at least one small piece of good

814
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Speaker 2: news that this particular American hostage which is being held

815
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Speaker 2: by the Israelis, a child has been freed and returned

816
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Speaker 2: to his family where he belongs.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's at the very least it's good.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, it's not like there's any outrage

819
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Speaker 3: or campaign, barely any coverage even.

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Speaker 1: Of something like this. Yeah, it's sick. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going on with this relationship. But anyways, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get to our Ama now and so we'll see

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Speaker 1: you all tomorrow