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Speaker 1: My name is ty Hildenbrand, joining me the far side
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Speaker 1: ready for previews? Oh freaking yeah.
Speaker 2: So we're into August. It is preview time, Ty, How
Speaker 2: are we handling said previews? In the past, We've done
Speaker 2: conference previews. We have done you know s and p
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Speaker 1: It was what are we weird? G chat? Yeah? Yes,
Speaker 1: what are we doing this yere? While I'm still waiting
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Speaker 2: I like that and who we like the most. Where
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way this thing works here in the media.
Speaker 1: So here here's the deal. As you mentioned, we we've
Speaker 1: done a bunch of different cuts on season previews last
Speaker 1: two years. I believe we've done the top forty or
Speaker 1: top whatever according to the S and P Plus. The
Speaker 1: S and P plus is still going to have a
Speaker 1: pretty big role in how we preview teams building up
Speaker 1: to the twenty seventeen season. We're going to try and
Speaker 1: have a conference conversation here each and every week now
Speaker 1: in the build up to the season. Tonight, we're going
Speaker 1: to do Big twelve. We're going to start there. But
Speaker 1: what we didn't want to do is leave some teams
Speaker 1: like Iowa State out because Iowa State to me as
Speaker 1: a team that I'm really excited about that I want
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Speaker 1: fit into the whole Big twelve equations. So a conference
Speaker 1: conversation is how we are going to approach each of
Speaker 1: the Power five conferences. And then we've also got some
Speaker 1: important nuggets about the group of five conferences as well. Correct.
Speaker 2: I think tonight we're gonna do the American Conference or
Speaker 2: the Act.
Speaker 1: The Power six.
Speaker 2: Maybe according to the American Conference, the sixth team are
Speaker 2: the sixth conference. Excuse me, Yes, So we're gonna do
Speaker 2: some nuggets about the American after we talk about the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve. We're going to touch on all of the
Speaker 2: teams in some fashion or form.
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Speaker 1: can we talk about football? I love to talk about football, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play this. I already gave away the
Speaker 1: game in saying that we're gonna talk about the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: Yeah here, But what are your thoughts in the Big Twelve?
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about this conference? Dan? I feel
Speaker 1: pretty good. I was trying to come up with something
Speaker 1: clever or flashy, or a way to brand the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve as a whole, and all I could come ahle,
Speaker 1: I came up with two things. One I probably should
Speaker 1: have like heavy metal under me, but incremental improvement. Incremental
Speaker 1: improvement or El Pasco. Yeah, Well here's my thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every team in the Big Twelve has a big, bold,
Speaker 1: seventy two point aerial question mark, and the only differentiator
Speaker 1: for Oklahoma is that their question mark is only big
Speaker 1: and bold, but thirty six points, yes, not quite as big.
Speaker 1: They to me represent the clear top tier in the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve this season. Beyond that, though, I think it's
Speaker 1: really interesting. Incremental Improvement's a good way to phrase it.
Speaker 1: But as a whole, most of the teams, if not
Speaker 1: all of the teams in the conference, save for maybe
Speaker 1: West Virginia, which we'll talk about here momentarily, save for
Speaker 1: maybe Baylor, who knows where they're going, Save for maybe
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Because it's always the same preview each and
Speaker 1: every year under Cliff Kingsbury. Most teams across the board,
Speaker 1: I think are going to get better enough production, coming
Speaker 1: back enough improvements made towards the latter half of last season,
Speaker 1: we should see a better conference as a whole in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve this year.
Speaker 2: The clear worst Power five or Power six, all things considered,
Speaker 2: conference that there was in twenty sixteen. I believe, the
Speaker 2: only Power five conference with fewer than fifty percent of
Speaker 2: their teams finishing with a winning record, which is it's
Speaker 2: pretty unacceptable, it really is. But I understand they play
Speaker 2: nine conference games and other conferences don't. But there's no reason,
Speaker 2: considering the level of talent generally speaking in this area,
Speaker 2: that more than five teams can't finish with the winning record.
Speaker 2: The non conference schedules sort of up and down across
Speaker 2: the board, but I think it's fair to assume that
Speaker 2: this conference can only go up from where they were
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. So what I think we'll
Speaker 1: do talk about our general impressions of the teams within
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, how we see them all meshing, how
Speaker 1: we see them all knocking each other off, throwing a
Speaker 1: little soliverble personality, kick it up a notch with some
Speaker 1: solible your words, your words, and that we'll just we'll
Speaker 1: try to suss all this out, man, figure out where
Speaker 1: it goes. Yes, do you want to start with Oklahoma?
Speaker 1: I do want to start out with Oklahoma. Okay? To me,
Speaker 1: they are, by the way, pre season eighth in the poll,
Speaker 1: the Amway Coaches poll that USA Today released earlier today.
Speaker 1: Good timing. They are eighth in the preseason poll. Take
Speaker 1: that with a green of salt. They are clearly the
Speaker 1: cream of the crop. They should be able to control
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage on offense. They should be solid
Speaker 1: with their back seven. What concerns me at a very
Speaker 1: high level, and what I'm legitimately curious to see, is
Speaker 1: if there is at all a transition phase now with
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley stepping in for Bob Stoops who retired. Remember
Speaker 1: that it feels like it was an eon ago. Bob
Speaker 1: Stoops retiring was kind of something that came out of
Speaker 1: left field. It was a big story. I covered it
Speaker 1: while you were away on your Where were you? Where'd
Speaker 1: you go? I was on my moon. I was honeymoon.
Speaker 1: You were off mooning. I talked to Bruce Felm and
Speaker 1: I talked to Andy Staples about it, what it all meant.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as big a surprise to them as I
Speaker 1: think it was for a lot of college football fans.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to undersell the fact that a
Speaker 1: coaching legend has passed the baton onto a guy who's
Speaker 1: still relatively young, who's very well respected in coaching circles,
Speaker 1: but this is still his first head coaching gig Dan.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that can go wrong with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won't have time to devote as much energy
Speaker 2: as he has these past couple of years to the offense. Luckily,
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield is really, really good at college football, one
Speaker 2: of the great all time walk ons. And on the
Speaker 2: flip side, no d d Westbrook, no samaj p Ry,
Speaker 2: no Joe Mixon. So certainly going to be new names
Speaker 2: on offense, But as you mentioned, the lineup front should
Speaker 2: be really good and the schedule all things considered, and
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair to look too deeply into
Speaker 2: what this Oklahoma team will be just because of what
Speaker 2: they do at Ohio Stadium against Ohio State early on
Speaker 2: in the year. Because the Big Twelve schedule is pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, they never played Texas as a true road game,
Speaker 2: so it's your neutral site Cotton Bowl game. They're on
Speaker 2: the road against Kansas State, They're on the road against
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State and Bedlam. But all things considered, it's a
Speaker 2: pretty even schedule once they get into the conference part
Speaker 2: of the year. So I really like Oklahoma. I'm curious
Speaker 2: to see what kind of in game management we see
Speaker 2: from Lincoln, right that's the big difference on game day.
Speaker 2: I think I have him down for ten wins. I
Speaker 2: have ten and two. I have them losing Ohio State
Speaker 2: on the road and to either Oklahoma State on the road,
Speaker 2: you know, Kansas State. Nobody ever wants to play against
Speaker 2: this style Kansas State team or some sort of weird
Speaker 2: shootouty game, be it against West Virginia or TCU, who
Speaker 2: they had a shootout against last year. So that's I'm
Speaker 2: really excited to see this team, and I think you
Speaker 2: hit every other point the wins projection. According to our
Speaker 2: friend Bill Connolly, is currently at nine point seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, so ten wins feels about right to me. I
Speaker 1: would urge you and we'll talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about this when we get to Texas. Don't discount what
Speaker 1: Tom Herman does as an underdog. We saw what he
Speaker 1: did at Houston against some teams that he wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to beat, namely Oklahoma. Right, we'll see, We'll see what
Speaker 1: he's able to do, how he assembles those parts. I
Speaker 1: also want to come back to a point that you
Speaker 1: mentioned about Oklahoma losing Joe Mixon samaj p Ryan. They're
Speaker 1: two headed monster at running back as well as Dede Westbrook,
Speaker 1: who was in New York for the Heisman Trophy presentation.
Speaker 1: That's forty six hundred total yards walking out the door, yep.
Speaker 1: How do they repentance that they've got names, they've got
Speaker 1: talent because they're Oklahoma. But I don't expect that to
Speaker 1: be just something that works out automatically. Because you've got
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I think it's going to take some time.
Speaker 1: It helps that you've got a really good offensive line,
Speaker 1: probably the best in the Big twelve. That'll work for you,
Speaker 1: But I think it's going to take some time. To
Speaker 1: work things out. I don't think they'll have that all
Speaker 1: in order by September ninth when they go to Ohio State.
Speaker 2: I would also add this fun nugget, speaking of which,
Speaker 2: Oklahoma is one of a handful of teams to have
Speaker 2: never been shut out in a college football playoff game.
Speaker 2: Oh college football playoff teams mostly have never been shut out,
Speaker 2: and that includes Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. Yeah uh. And we'll see what
Speaker 1: the defense has in story if it can improve. It's
Speaker 1: been good. It's not been elite since brand Vettibles left,
Speaker 1: but still a pretty good unit. As it relates, certainly
Speaker 1: to the Big twelve. Who do we have next? We
Speaker 1: both feel in ten wins? Yes, I'm feeling ten. Let's
Speaker 1: go down to Texas. Okay, I mentioned Texas. They are
Speaker 1: pre season twenty three dan according again to the Amway
Speaker 1: Coaches USA today pol mm hmm. They get with a
Speaker 1: green as salt. They indeed are. Last year, they were
Speaker 1: very young, very very young. Charlie Strong was still the
Speaker 1: coach way back when the defense as a whole got
Speaker 1: better throughout the course of the year. Inconsistent, but got
Speaker 1: better throughout the course of the season. The offense, though
Speaker 1: had trouble. They had trouble assembling their parts outside of
Speaker 1: Deonty Foreman and Shane Bachelle was certainly a revelation early
Speaker 1: could certainly throw that streak down the side against teams
Speaker 1: that were willing to surrender the street Notre Dame, but
Speaker 1: beyond that, it just felt like they had a difficult
Speaker 1: time building that cohesion. Now we've got Tom Herman, dan is,
Speaker 1: what is he going to do with Shane Buschelle who
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly as young, but he wasn't exactly any model
Speaker 1: for efficiency on offense. Yeah, and it's sort of a
Speaker 1: misnomer that you know Houston had this big, fancy offense
Speaker 1: because of how they played early on in the season.
Speaker 1: We saw them beat Oklahoma of course early on, But
Speaker 1: I imagine Shane Bochelle will have a better idea of the
Speaker 1: expectations of the offense because of Tom Herman, because of
Speaker 1: what you know, it's Tim Beck, who I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people have very mixed opinions of as a coordinator.
Speaker 1: He comes in to help run that Texas offense. But
Speaker 1: here's the really good news. I still like Chris Warren
Speaker 1: if he can stay healthy. I really like the Texas
Speaker 1: offensive line. Defensively, I would say the Lion's share of
Speaker 1: the talent is in the back whatever six or seven,
Speaker 1: Lak Jefferson, Anthony Wheeler. These are healthy people, well hopefully.
Speaker 1: I like a couple of the defensive backs for Texas
Speaker 1: a lot. Chris Boyd and PJ. Lock are good, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if I see like super duper game
Speaker 1: changers up front. And that's why I can't really get
Speaker 1: into the threatening nine or ten wins sort of mode
Speaker 1: for Texas. So my expectations are pretty limited because of health,
Speaker 1: because of depth, because I just knew everything, including I
Speaker 1: think Tom Herman shaved his head. I saw that today.
Speaker 2: I saw they have forty three inch screens at every locker,
Speaker 2: so everything is getting real sleek, whether it's a scalp
Speaker 2: or a dressing room. So I am optimistic that Texas
Speaker 2: is going to improve. If they can stop the run
Speaker 2: a little bit better, if they can get after the
Speaker 2: quarterback with some guys being shifted around a little bit better,
Speaker 2: I think big things for Texas long term. I really
Speaker 2: like Todderland to always have their defensive coordinator. Their schedule
Speaker 2: is not the best because they travel to USC early
Speaker 2: on but both Oklahoma schools are not true road games,
Speaker 2: but they go on the road to TCU and West
Speaker 2: Virginia at the end of the year. So will it
Speaker 2: appears right now be tests for the front of the defense,
Speaker 2: so we'll have a better idea of.
Speaker 1: The incremental improvement. That's right, that's right by event. So
Speaker 1: I want to also mention Todd Orlando, who came with
Speaker 1: Tom Herman from Houston to Texas. Defense was again very
Speaker 1: young a year ago and it did improve, but it
Speaker 1: needs to get better against the run. Like you said,
Speaker 1: what kind of impact will he have coming with Tom Herman.
Speaker 1: We know that those two have worked pretty well together
Speaker 1: to turn their Houston defense into what I thought was
Speaker 1: a unit that was pretty formidable last year.
Speaker 2: Yes, and on that a similar token. Here's what we
Speaker 2: saw from Texas near the end of the year, a
Speaker 2: lost to Kansas. Here's what we've seen from Tom Herman
Speaker 2: these past couple of years. And I think we both
Speaker 2: really like Tom Herman as a head coach.
Speaker 1: We've seen Doudwicks, we saw them really look bad Houston
Speaker 1: against SMU last year. They lose to Yukon a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. They've struggled with Navy. So it's the
Speaker 1: freshing the idea that you should be teams that are
Speaker 1: you're clearly better than, and so eliminating not limiting. Eliminating
Speaker 1: the dud weeks. For Texas, I think is going to
Speaker 1: be the huge, huge thing I'm looking for. There may
Speaker 1: be dud weeks, but they're gonna play USC tight, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna play Oklahoma type. Okay, maybe they'll maybe they'll
Speaker 1: lose that Baylor, but there are going to be games,
Speaker 1: those games where they are underdogs where I think they
Speaker 1: they play well because of Tom Herman and because of
Speaker 1: all the returning talent they have coming back. Let me,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the scale. Yeah, let me read through
Speaker 1: this list really quick. Right, Who's gonna who's gonna blow
Speaker 1: the lid off the defense? That's yeah, that's a big
Speaker 1: question on offense. But in terms of just guys coming back.
Speaker 1: Eight of nine offensive linemen, including Connor Williams, who is
Speaker 1: an All Doplican top three wide receiving targets, seven of
Speaker 1: the top nine defensive linemen and six are either sophomores
Speaker 1: or juniors. Seven of the top eight line again, six
Speaker 1: are either sophomores or juniors and eight of the top
Speaker 1: ten defensive backs returning. Seven of those are either sophomores
Speaker 1: or juniors. So Texas is set up really nicely, not
Speaker 1: just for this year, but certainly next year as well.
Speaker 1: What's the record. I see a loss to either USC
Speaker 1: or Oklahoma. I think they're going to knock one of
Speaker 1: those teams off. Wow. I think there will be a
Speaker 1: dud week at some point in there, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to count another unspecified loss in there as well. I
Speaker 1: say nine wins for Texas. I'm high on Texas.
Speaker 2: I'm at like seven and a half, seven and five,
Speaker 2: eight and four. If things go right health wise, I
Speaker 2: think they they're just going to be that that transition yere.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, where are we going next?
Speaker 2: Let's go to Oklahoma State? All right, let's go to Stillwater.
Speaker 2: Let's go to a team that I think we're both
Speaker 2: pretty high one and Oklahoma State schedule wise tricky, it's
Speaker 2: sort of a landmine situation. They have Tulane, excuse me,
Speaker 2: Tulsa early on, and it's a Tulsa team that's looking
Speaker 2: a little bit different, but they were dangerous last year.
Speaker 2: They traveled to pitt SEC really decent, only time. We'll
Speaker 2: tell Tyler. But they've got a stretch of I think
Speaker 2: it's at Texas, at West Virginia and Oklahoma in late
Speaker 2: October early November. If they can go two and one
Speaker 2: out of that, I think they have a very good
Speaker 2: chance to at least threaten double digit wins. I think
Speaker 2: they're good enough to be pitt They're good enough to
Speaker 2: beat Tulsa in the non conference. I have them down
Speaker 2: as a team threatening. I don't know if they can
Speaker 2: get to that double digit winder in the regular season mark,
Speaker 2: but I like all sorts of pieces on this team.
Speaker 2: Even though the defense is pretty inexperienced, there's guys that
Speaker 2: have rotated in. There's promising talent there. Offensively, I think
Speaker 2: we all know the story at this point. Mason Rudolph
Speaker 2: de Sides to come back. We love Junkyard, Jim Washington.
Speaker 2: He's not even the only receiver in that core that's
Speaker 2: really good. They're a deep core of speed and talent
Speaker 2: in the receiving area of things.
Speaker 1: And Tie, Yeah, guess what I have right now? What's
Speaker 1: it breaking news? It's not breaking news.
Speaker 2: Tie, I've got a Doode alert. There's a duode alert
Speaker 2: because Justice Hill is so good. I'm planting my flag
Speaker 2: on Justice Hill.
Speaker 1: He is long arm of the law, just the long
Speaker 1: arm of the law. Is a home run hitter. He
Speaker 1: is a cut and go guy. He was, I believe,
Speaker 1: a freshman last year and campaign sure was just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And gives them the balance that will have to draw
Speaker 1: safeties in sometimes and give then obviously Junkyard Jim Washington.
Speaker 2: Room to Rome Deep. So he makes this offense complete.
Speaker 2: Justice So actually reminds me a lot of Michael James
Speaker 2: and that sort of cut and go and he's sort.
Speaker 1: Of elusive water bug. Yeah, kind of kind of running back.
Speaker 1: I love Justice Hill. He's gonna be so damn fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, Oklahoma State, the Cowboys are eleventh in
Speaker 1: the preseason poll. Again, take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: Release today the Amblay USA Today Coaches Poll. They are
Speaker 1: gonna be a ton of fun to watch. They always
Speaker 1: are because of the offense. Mason Rudolph throws an awesome
Speaker 1: deep ball and Mike Gundy is not afraid to use it.
Speaker 1: That will make them exciting to watch. On offense, the
Speaker 1: questions defense, it leaves a lot to be desired. We're
Speaker 1: going on a couple of years now, Dan, since everyone
Speaker 1: was enchanted by what Glenn Spencer could do as a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. It just happens. Yeah, it hasn't been the same.
Speaker 1: They're replacing a bad secondary with four of their top
Speaker 1: six defensive backs going elsewhere, graduating, leaving the program. The
Speaker 1: defense has been mediocre at best since like twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: and corner is really weak this year, the worst in
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. I am very curious to see how
Speaker 1: defensively they handle a Big twelve conference that's gonna want
Speaker 1: to throw the football. Yeah, so that all there. We'll see.
Speaker 1: They've got so many, got some good defensive ends. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking like eight or nine. Yeah, I have nine and three.
Speaker 1: Eight or nine feels right to me. M hm. Defense
Speaker 1: is gonna be that issue, gonna be a problem. Where
Speaker 1: are we going next?
Speaker 2: Let's got a West flip in Virginia? Tyler, Okay, let's
Speaker 2: talk here.
Speaker 1: Point of contention, m West Virginia is pre season twenty
Speaker 1: USA today am White pole two. Yeah. Last year was
Speaker 1: a good year, ten and two regular season ten and three,
Speaker 1: lost the bowl game to Miami. Do you feel that
Speaker 1: with the following inventory of losses personnel losses, No, that
Speaker 1: West Virginia should be the preseason twenty Skyler Howard is gone.
Speaker 1: Two of their top three receivers are gone, five of
Speaker 1: their seven offensive linemen, five of their top seven offensive
Speaker 1: lineman excuse me, are gone. Their top three defensive linemen,
Speaker 1: five of their top six linebackers, and five of their
Speaker 1: top six defensive backs all gone. Do you feel that
Speaker 1: that warrants a top twenty preseason ranking? USA Today am
Speaker 1: Way coaches, Bull.
Speaker 2: I think the Will Greer or as I now really
Speaker 2: want to call him, the Bill Greer factor.
Speaker 1: Are we hold on pause? Are we doing the Bill convert?
Speaker 1: The will to Bill conversion? Here?
Speaker 2: Do we currently have a college football bill with Big
Speaker 2: Bill Fuller in the NFL? I love Bill Greer, as
Speaker 2: the name.
Speaker 1: Bill Grier doesn't have enough syllables. Maybe it's one of
Speaker 1: these things because the same syllables as Bill Fuller, Bill
Speaker 1: full Er. That's three Bill Greer, only two. No, Bill Greer.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a stretch. Dan, that's fact.
Speaker 1: Maybe only Maybe Bill Greer prefers Bill in a professional setting,
Speaker 1: but to his friends, kind of like you with Dan, Danny,
Speaker 1: maybe his family and friends call him Billy all right,
Speaker 1: we've done Bill before we'll go.
Speaker 2: Billy Greer got up to some stuff after high school, right,
Speaker 2: trying to figure it all out in Morgantown, Billy Billy Greer.
Speaker 2: I think that overvalues how people are viewing West Virginia
Speaker 2: at the moment, and there are things really like about
Speaker 2: West Virginia. I love Justin Crawford and what he was
Speaker 2: able to show last year, another home run hitter. I
Speaker 2: am worried. The linebackers are pretty much all back, but
Speaker 2: you're right the front on defense, the secondary is rebuilt
Speaker 2: once again. And it's not like these West Virginia teams
Speaker 2: haven't had two overhaul units year over year. They keep
Speaker 2: infusing with JC guys, they keep scouting and developing correctly.
Speaker 2: So Tony Gibson at the very least deserves somewhat of
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. I'm a Tony great defensive coordinator, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: But I just it's a tough year to overhaul everything
Speaker 2: on defense like they're going to have to do, so
Speaker 2: I think they take a step back. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're a top twenty team. Like it's the Amway, which
Speaker 2: is so funny. The Amway coaches pol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, am way you look at today coaches pol.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're not that sort of nine to
Speaker 2: ten win type team like they've threatened to be recently.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say they're a seven and five team
Speaker 2: this year. They take a step back. The defense will
Speaker 2: be fine eventually, but I think they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 2: take some hits.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to Dana Holgerson that there
Speaker 1: are such expectations, because again, if you look at what
Speaker 1: they are losing, this is a near total rebuild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. I think you need to temper expectations.
Speaker 1: It's a tough schedule too, it is it is you're
Speaker 1: talking about an early game against Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech
Speaker 1: loses its quarterback, but I think should be a pretty
Speaker 1: solid opponent in Week one. I don't think West Virginia
Speaker 1: is going to find their sea legs in time for
Speaker 1: that game. I could see Texas Tech being a problem
Speaker 1: because of their passing attack. I could see Baylor being
Speaker 1: a problem if they get their defense together. I can
Speaker 1: see Iowa State being a problem based on the way
Speaker 1: they're sandwiched in between Oklahoma State and Kansas State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see a lot of things up in the air.
Speaker 1: For West Virginia. The only thing I really like at
Speaker 1: this point is justin Crawford. That's the only thing. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of Billy Greer, but he only had two
Speaker 1: good games. Yeah, let's keep things in check a little bit,
Speaker 1: pretty high talent ceiling, but I think that's reasonable to say.
Speaker 1: I'm saying five and seven, four and eight for West Virginia.
Speaker 1: I am not in at all huge steps back and
Speaker 1: I'm usually pro West Virginia Mountaineers, but count me out
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Speaker 2: ball well enough.
Speaker 1: I think you win more than you don't. So wow,
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Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve, we were talking about five and
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Speaker 2: most bankable team I think on our list here other
Speaker 2: than Oklahoma in the Big Twelve, that's Kansas State.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel very good about Kansas State, not because of
Speaker 2: what they necessarily return on offense, but because of what
Speaker 2: they've shown on defense lately, even with the loss of
Speaker 2: some big names, notably Jordan Willis on defense. I like
Speaker 2: how their defense is playing. I like what they return
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball. And the big thing
Speaker 2: for me is even though their offense isn't going to
Speaker 2: put up huge numbers, they have such a clear identity
Speaker 2: and Jesse Ertz is just so solid they might put
Speaker 2: together a thirty four hundred play drive. I don't know
Speaker 2: what they do. I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 1: They're going to go inch by inch and draw people
Speaker 1: off sides, whatever the case may be. They are going
Speaker 1: to ruin teams in the way that somebody who is
Speaker 1: very patient and very adept at NCAA football rip for
Speaker 1: Xbox PS four whatever, in that they can get five
Speaker 1: yards every time they run. They're not going for weird
Speaker 1: RPO plays, not trying to run an option. They're not.
Speaker 1: They're just patient. And Kansas State does that on offense,
Speaker 1: and that ruins the other their team's offense because then
Speaker 1: they get impatient if they fall behind. Yeah, so Kansas
Speaker 1: State this year. I like Jesse here. It's a whole bunch.
Speaker 1: I like what they bring back on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. There's a lot of talent, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of experience, and all things considered, the schedule's not bad.
Speaker 1: It is they open against are they early on? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It totally is feasible. They early on in the season.
Speaker 2: I think they go to Nashville to play Vanderbilt, which
Speaker 2: should just be a demolition derby that should be ten
Speaker 2: to seven one way or the other. And then they
Speaker 2: have it looks like they go to Texas, but they
Speaker 2: always beat Texas, I mean usually Texas.
Speaker 1: I think that game at Texas will be will be
Speaker 1: the bell Weather there. There's a tough stretch if you're
Speaker 1: looking at the schedule critically, very tough stretch from late
Speaker 1: September through the first three weeks of October, because you've
Speaker 1: got a Baylor game, which we don't know what we're
Speaker 1: going to get out of Baylor right now, but Baylor's defense,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Baylor's defense could be intriguing. Yeah, at Texas,
Speaker 1: which I think is a good bell Weather game for
Speaker 1: where Kansas State is at. Then in consecutive weeks at
Speaker 1: home TCU and Oklahoma. You get through that four week stretch,
Speaker 1: I think you're mostly sitting pretty in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: That to me is the rough patch to watch in
Speaker 1: the schedule.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I think that's reasonable. I feel
Speaker 2: good about it, though. I think at this point, if
Speaker 2: everything you know, in Bill Snyder's getting over some health
Speaker 2: concerns he had in the offseason, and we hope he's
Speaker 2: obviously all right and that full strength sort of anchor
Speaker 2: this team moving forward. But yes, you're absolutely right that
Speaker 2: stretch is going to speak volumes. But this feels like
Speaker 2: the year that we finished the season saying and Kansas
Speaker 2: State was Kansas State. They did exactly what they should
Speaker 2: have done given the talent that they have. I like
Speaker 2: them a lot. I'm optimistic. I'm at about nine and
Speaker 2: three right now with Kansas State. Yeah, I like the identity.
Speaker 1: Preseason nineteen, by the way, in the newly released USA
Speaker 1: Today Coaches, and it'll find to me it totally fine
Speaker 1: to me nine and four last season. Important to note
Speaker 1: that this is a team that improved drastically from start
Speaker 1: to finish, both offensively and defensively, particularly on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the football. It's the season war on. The
Speaker 1: defense got a lot better and that really did make
Speaker 1: a difference, especially against the pass, which is paramounts if
Speaker 1: you're going to play in the Big twelve. My question though,
Speaker 1: is whether or not they have more than just Jesse
Speaker 1: Ertz and Alex Barnes making plays offense. Now, we've seen
Speaker 1: Bill Snyder Kansas State do a lot. Even if you've
Speaker 1: only got two guys. They can find a way to
Speaker 1: make that work with that slow, plodding vanilla five yards
Speaker 1: of play offense. But can they manufacture some big plays
Speaker 1: like they did towards the end of last season. If
Speaker 1: they do that, I think that takes them to another level.
Speaker 1: I think that gets them to that nine win mark.
Speaker 1: We're going to have to wait and see. That hasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily been their identity, but I think the pieces are
Speaker 1: in place where they can do it. My other set
Speaker 1: of questions is about their defensive front because they lose
Speaker 1: Jordan Willison. That's gonna hurt. Can the front seven hold
Speaker 1: up against the run and force the pass? Because I
Speaker 1: think they'll be pretty good against the pass this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that may ask you a question, Sure, would you
Speaker 2: want to be and we're talking optimist at Kansas State?
Speaker 1: Would you want to root for this Kansas State team?
Speaker 1: Just that's the end of the question.
Speaker 2: Yes, pure, pure style, pure This is what I have
Speaker 2: come to expect every week from Kansas State. They will
Speaker 2: be outmatched by a couple of teams that are clearly
Speaker 2: just way more talented and have a system in place.
Speaker 2: You know, Kansas State maybe can't keep up with their speed,
Speaker 2: can't produce enough big plays. Whatever, be it Oklahoma, be
Speaker 2: at West Virginia, be at Oklahoma State, whatever, But you
Speaker 2: know that Kansas State is going to be more sound.
Speaker 2: They're going to force more one on one tackles than
Speaker 2: most of the teams they play against. But there's not
Speaker 2: going to be a ton of exciting plays, deep passes,
Speaker 2: trick play. You know, whatever the case may be, is
Speaker 2: that a team you would want to root for?
Speaker 1: I would say no, because cheering for Case State's a
Speaker 1: lot like cheering for Navy in that, even though you
Speaker 1: don't have any kind of pyrotechnic identity on offense, you
Speaker 1: sort of know what you're signing up for. You I
Speaker 1: love root Navy. You know what the team is going
Speaker 1: to do offensively, and you also know that if it's
Speaker 1: not working, it really ain't working right, and that can
Speaker 1: be maddening. Yeah, so I would say no.
Speaker 2: We saw a couple of years ago and they just
Speaker 2: stopped being able to run the ball completely, like it
Speaker 2: was feet that they were averaging per carry.
Speaker 1: Texas for me is the Bellweather Game October seventh circle
Speaker 1: it right now at Texas, I've got K State at
Speaker 1: seven and five. I am not buying K State this year.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I haven't said that in a long time.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Baylor. Mm hmmmm. Baylor is clearly in transition.
Speaker 1: They started last year six and oh. They finished oh
Speaker 1: and six a tumultuous interim year led by Jim grob
Speaker 1: which was weird, but they had to do it. In
Speaker 1: the offseason, they hire Matt Rule from Temple, which was
Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise. I have warmed to Matt Rule,
Speaker 1: I will add I've never been the biggest Matt Rule
Speaker 1: coaching hire fan, but I've warmed to Matt Rule based
Speaker 1: on what he's done so far. It's interesting. It follows
Speaker 1: the theory of hire the opposite of the guy you
Speaker 1: had in previously. And if ever there were an opposite
Speaker 1: to Art Briles, just stylistically, schematically, certainly that guy would
Speaker 1: be Matt Rule. Fair to say, yeah, absolutely fair to say.
Speaker 1: What intrigues me, What surprises me, perhaps the most of
Speaker 1: anyone in the Big twelve is how much I like
Speaker 1: the potential that Baylor has on defense. When I used
Speaker 1: to talk in that way about a Baylor defense. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent there, Yeah, a ton of experience.
Speaker 1: It's back and the combination of Matt Ruhle and Phil
Speaker 1: Snow was really effective at Temple. They built legitimately good
Speaker 1: defenses in Philly. Offensively, I have no idea what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't even know what's going to look like.
Speaker 1: I suspect that will probably take some time. On the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, Dan, I'm actually quite bullish
Speaker 1: on what Baylor could do. This is a conference that
Speaker 1: needs better defenses to give it, I think, a better reputation.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what they can what they
Speaker 1: can do here. I am pretty optimistic about Baylor this season,
Speaker 1: and so I'm kind of feeling seven or eight wins here.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought the Wheels, I mean, it was very
Speaker 2: clear the Wheels came off on the field last year
Speaker 2: and second half of the season, and certainly it's a
Speaker 2: fresh start for Baylor, for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 1: Do you know who they open with Baylor? Baylor? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they opened with Liberty. Liberty right, who hired the athletic
Speaker 1: director who was at Baylor for a while and a
Speaker 1: Liberty Baylor matchup is sort of like what if there
Speaker 1: was just really inclement weather and they just decided, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's just not this year.
Speaker 2: That's just not That's how I feel about Liberty Baylor.
Speaker 2: Beyond that, schedule's not bad. They go to Duke, they
Speaker 2: go to Kansas State, to Oklahoma State, but it sort
Speaker 2: of clears up near the end of the year. It's
Speaker 2: a front loaded schedule, which is very strange to say.
Speaker 1: With Baylor. I like them. Matt Rule hire a lot.
Speaker 1: I like his staff hires a whole lot.
Speaker 2: I like what Obviously it's hard not to what Phil
Speaker 2: Snow did with the Temple defense these past couple of years.
Speaker 2: Baylor's going to be fine on the field because of
Speaker 2: Matt Rule. I don't think they're going to be as
Speaker 2: nearly as explosive. Nobody will be as they've been these
Speaker 2: past few years during the Arbriles tenure. But schedule's not bad.
Speaker 2: The quarterback position, whether it's it's Zach Smith or a
Speaker 2: new Solomon, the Arizona transfer running things, it'll be okay.
Speaker 2: There's talent along the skill pa positions. I have them
Speaker 2: down as six and six just because I do think
Speaker 2: there is going to be transition elements that you know,
Speaker 2: they might lose toss up games, they might have problems
Speaker 2: with offensive identity. We're not talking about a Temple offense
Speaker 2: that was super explosive at all. So what exactly are
Speaker 2: they going to be trying to do with an offense
Speaker 2: that was recruited to play a very different type of
Speaker 2: system that I think there's going to be There are
Speaker 2: gonna be some growing pains there. Numbers are still a
Speaker 2: little bit dicey just in terms of pure available high
Speaker 2: level talent. So six and six feels about right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I show some flashes, they're going to show some deficiencies.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't just pan over the offense and say I
Speaker 1: don't know what they're going to do. I don't. I
Speaker 1: still don't know what they're going to do. But right
Speaker 1: what strikes me in looking at this roster is that
Speaker 1: the main stabilizing forces from a year ago are pretty
Speaker 1: much all gone save for Terrence Williams and three offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: Seth Russell gone, Katie Cannon gone, Kyle Fuller, dom de
Speaker 1: Susan on this Tom yeah gone, yeah, this is Mora.
Speaker 1: So they've got a lot to work out on that side.
Speaker 1: Of the ball that hasn't necessarily been Matt rules Forte. Defensively,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what Phil Snow can do because
Speaker 1: they do have a lot coming back on on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. So I'm feeling like seven
Speaker 1: and five, eight and four if I want to get
Speaker 1: really risky with it. But seven and five, let's let's
Speaker 1: keep it right there. Who do you want to go
Speaker 1: to next? I want to talk about Iowa State Wow,
Speaker 1: before TCU. All right, let's talk about TCU. I don't
Speaker 1: want to disrespect to you. We'll go TCU respectful. TCU is
Speaker 1: my playoff pick a year ago. Remember, Yeah, how'd that
Speaker 1: work out? They won? Eight and four? They didn't make
Speaker 1: the playoff. Alas, for all intents and purposes, everyone is
Speaker 1: back from that eight and four team from a year ago.
Speaker 1: They have, according to our friend Bill Connolly, the most
Speaker 1: returning production of any Power five team, which is certainly meaningful.
Speaker 1: I am going to harken back though, to what I
Speaker 1: said a year ago about Tennessee, and that is it's
Speaker 1: about trust, babe. Oh my god, it's about trust, babe. Okay,
Speaker 1: explain yourself. I am not gonna go where I went
Speaker 1: a year ago with TCU because I just don't trust
Speaker 1: Kenny Hill. And I know it's not all his fault.
Speaker 1: This is more of a me thing, not a hymn thing,
Speaker 1: just laying my heart out there for everyone. Some of
Speaker 1: it was his fault. He got a lot of drop passes.
Speaker 1: A year ago. There was a revolving door at wide
Speaker 1: receiver because guys kept getting hurt. You can't blame it
Speaker 1: all on Kenny Hill, but you can't blame a chunk
Speaker 1: of it on him. He made a lot of dumb throws,
Speaker 1: a lot of bad mistakes, and quite frankly, you just
Speaker 1: can't do that. You can't do that. For as good
Speaker 1: as he was to start his college football career at
Speaker 1: Texas A and M, that's how inconsistent he was this
Speaker 1: past year at TCU. There were times where I wondered
Speaker 1: if he was really interested in playing or if he
Speaker 1: had just mailed it in. Felt like he had killer instinct.
Speaker 1: To me, maybe that's too harsh of criticism, but that
Speaker 1: was what I was left with at the end of
Speaker 1: TCU's season a year ago, and for that reason, I
Speaker 1: don't know to what end I'm willing to subscribe again
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen just left a bad taste of my mouth.
Speaker 1: That's all rational. That being said, there is a ton
Speaker 1: to like here because Kyle Hicks also comes back. In
Speaker 1: addition to Kenny Hill, They've got four senior offensive linemen,
Speaker 1: including Austin Schlottman, who's a big deal at center. The
Speaker 1: back seven of their defense is loaded. All of their linebackers,
Speaker 1: including their leading tackler, return, and they've got a workable
Speaker 1: schedule which is mostly backloaded. In November, when teams like
Speaker 1: Texas and Baylor will probably be more experienced, it'll be
Speaker 1: tougher than if you had them early. It sets up
Speaker 1: pretty well for TCU. The only real question I have
Speaker 1: is along the line Josh carroway self, Cavante Turpin. He's
Speaker 1: a minidod alert for me, Mini dood alert. We don't
Speaker 1: play mini doodle now, No, I'm just telling you, he's
Speaker 1: a literal mini dude. Yeah. So, I think if you
Speaker 1: want to be optimistic about TCU, the canvas is there.
Speaker 1: It's there for you to paint your picture of what
Speaker 1: a successful season looks like. I'm just I'm not going
Speaker 1: to engage on that level with TCU again. I'm going
Speaker 1: to say eight and four. That's what I have down
Speaker 1: here as well. And I think it's the Kenny Hill
Speaker 1: pulled back factor. It's the inconsistency from receivers as talented
Speaker 1: as they are. It's an identity thing they lose. You
Speaker 1: didn't mention Doug Meachum. He goes over to Kansas to
Speaker 1: run their offense. Honey Comby's still there, and they promote
Speaker 1: I think the running backs coach to a co coordinator job,
Speaker 1: so some transitions along the staff. I just I don't
Speaker 1: know what to expect from TCU. You know, you look
Speaker 1: at the problems that they had last year. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how they've addressed everything. Hopefully it's just a health thing.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's an identity thing. Hopefully it's a motivational thing.
Speaker 2: If then, you know, then you can see nine or
Speaker 2: ten wins, if everything is clicking and they stay healthy.
Speaker 2: You know, Gary Patterson with time and experience to reshuffle things,
Speaker 2: seems like a good thing. I'm going to say eight
Speaker 2: and four. I think some things get better, somethings stay
Speaker 2: as is. I don't see it with this schedule, especially
Speaker 2: the stretch. And you mentioned a workable schedule, but there's
Speaker 2: some chunks in the schedule, they have Texas and Oklahoma
Speaker 2: and consecutive weeks in November, and then early on in
Speaker 2: the season, sort of late September, early October, Oklahoma State
Speaker 2: on the road, West Virginia and then Kansas State on
Speaker 2: the road. So a variety of styles one after the other.
Speaker 2: I don't know those are all the defenses there, you know, maybe,
Speaker 2: say for West Virginia should be a tricky enough that
Speaker 2: I don't think TCU is able to pull away.
Speaker 1: So I have eight and four. The other thing I'll
Speaker 1: add here, I don't want to pan over the defense
Speaker 1: because they do have a lot coming back in the
Speaker 1: back seven. This defense has yet to return to the
Speaker 1: glory days of a couple of years ago, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: at some point they need to stop giving up big plays.
Speaker 2: I erase the entirety of the twenty fifteen season, including
Speaker 2: the bowl season of TCU, So I don't even know
Speaker 2: what you're talking.
Speaker 1: Oh, right, of course, at some point they got to
Speaker 1: stop giving up big plays. They got to start being
Speaker 1: disruptive again. The only good part of their defense, the
Speaker 1: only consistently good part of their defense from a year ago,
Speaker 1: was a pass rush. They need to be all around
Speaker 1: more consistent in order for this team to take another
Speaker 1: step forward and maybe try to live up to some
Speaker 1: of that hype. I don't even know if there is hype.
Speaker 1: I'm just making that up as a whole. That's how
Speaker 1: I feel about TCU. Sort of ambivalent. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go eight and four. All right, we were Now we're
Speaker 1: talking about Iowa State. Please? What I am excited about
Speaker 1: this team? Why? Good question? Okay, good question. This is
Speaker 1: the program to follow if you have no rooting interest
Speaker 1: to the Big twelve, if you just want to invest
Speaker 1: in a story Dan that's going to be fun to
Speaker 1: watch over the next two to three years. I think
Speaker 1: I think Iowa States where it's at. We got a
Speaker 1: lot of people who own this show and they say, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm listening in Australia. Who should I root for? You're
Speaker 1: telling Australians root for Iowa State? Oh kind am, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the hell is wrong with you. Matt Campbell's first year
Speaker 1: in ames last year they went three to nine. A
Speaker 1: lot of improvement from start to finish. There are some
Speaker 1: good pieces coming back from a year ago. He did
Speaker 1: a good job recruiting in the offseason. At a minimum,
Speaker 1: this is a program that no longer feels as stagnant
Speaker 1: as it did at the end of the Paul Roades era.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's doing some stuff. Defense
Speaker 1: is going to be a problem. They're gonna get overpowered
Speaker 1: by a lot of the better attacks in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the offensive line. They got experienced, but
Speaker 1: most of their starts from a year ago are gone.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be a work in progress. To
Speaker 1: keep Jacob Park safe, open up holes for Mike Warren.
Speaker 1: The defense, you know, that's just going to be where
Speaker 1: it's at. It's going to be a mess. I am
Speaker 1: excited though about my doodle Art. A gentleman. You may
Speaker 1: have heard of him by the name of Alan Lazard.
Speaker 1: Sorry six five two twenty three, Alan Lazard. I have
Speaker 1: a storied history with mister Lazard. Please tell we are
Speaker 1: nothing if not friends, honest brokers here on the solid
Speaker 1: verbal den I've never publicly admitted this. I've had grave
Speaker 1: difficulty getting this gentleman's name correct really over the past
Speaker 1: two It's just like a mental block for me. Two
Speaker 1: years ago. You can go back and find a preview.
Speaker 1: I may have edited it out, but at least the
Speaker 1: first time through, I referred to him as Alan Lizard. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then I realized the air in my way is
Speaker 1: A couple weeks later and I started calling him in
Speaker 1: true Eastern PA form Alan Lazard, which was also wrong.
Speaker 1: Now I'm back officially on the Allan Lazard train. But
Speaker 1: the bigger point that I have, in addition to the
Speaker 1: fact that he's a thousand yard receiver, he's a big dude.
Speaker 1: He's going to be an NFL prospect, probably get drafted
Speaker 1: next year in the senior year, clearly Jacob Park's top target.
Speaker 1: The larger point is that we've got options now for
Speaker 1: the coming season. I've sort of been workshopping a few
Speaker 1: things that I think of real potential. Here. I'm upset already.
Speaker 1: I'm pre upset. I'm gonna give you two options. I
Speaker 1: want to tell you which I should go with, because
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, I am going with
Speaker 1: one of them. This better be better than your four
Speaker 1: syllable guys. Option A huh charred by Alan Lazard.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I'm really gotten. I really have fingers crossed
Speaker 2: for Option B because it's the.
Speaker 1: Big twelve Texas Tech. Texas Tech gonna get charred by
Speaker 1: Alan Lazard. Okay, I'm waiting. It's a slogan. It's like
Speaker 1: Body by Jake. Now, I got it. It's not a nickname.
Speaker 1: It's more than that, and it could be if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, it could be the name of his
Speaker 1: restaurant or a showing food network Charred by Alan. You
Speaker 1: don't like it, I'm I'm ready for be. Option B
Speaker 1: would be if I want to return to my roots
Speaker 1: as an Eastern Pennsylvanian with a slightly Philadelphia influenced accent. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Duke of Hazzard Alan Lazzard. But it's not it's name.
Speaker 1: He's dangerous, he drives a Dodge Charger. He wants to
Speaker 1: date your sister. He's the Duke of Hazzard, Alan Lazzard.
Speaker 1: Why don't we just call call ioways say it el passego,
Speaker 1: el passe coo. Yeah, because Jacob Park is really good,
Speaker 1: even though he has a weird skin, beret haircut. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen what he looks like. It's
Speaker 1: very it's very strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think we just accept Alan Lazard Alan
Speaker 2: Lazard for who he is. Now I was I was
Speaker 2: thinking about these all day. Dan a workshop. You're you're
Speaker 2: just gonna toss them in.
Speaker 1: The waste basket.
Speaker 2: I think we got to keep going, ty, I think
Speaker 2: we got to keep workshopping chard by Lazart. I'll accept
Speaker 2: that one ahead of whatever the hell you said was
Speaker 2: option B.
Speaker 1: What do you think about being team? Then you really
Speaker 1: ruined the whole night for me.
Speaker 2: Iowa State is going to be good, perhaps eventually, if
Speaker 2: they recruit well on defense, if they're able to stay
Speaker 2: healthy on offense.
Speaker 1: We like Jacob Park. You skimmed over the fact that
Speaker 1: Joe Lanning, who started out the season at quarterback for
Speaker 1: them last year, is now they're starting mid linebacker. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope he's awesome. Would you say he's the quarterback
Speaker 1: of the defense? Yes, he is the quarterback of the defense.
Speaker 1: In so many ways, Iowa State was in games last year.
Speaker 1: They blew a lead against I think it was Baylor,
Speaker 1: and they lost a shootout, but they were in even
Speaker 1: though they went I think they went three to nine
Speaker 1: last season. They were competitive, they didn't back down. They
Speaker 1: played motivated football. I was very excited to see that
Speaker 1: because the Big twelve was kind of stanky last year
Speaker 1: in a number of ways, and the emergence of a
Speaker 1: competitive Iowa State and even to a slight lesser extent,
Speaker 1: the emergence of a competitive Kansas team was at least
Speaker 1: you're ready tie. Yeah, incremental improved, incremental improvements. I think
Speaker 1: they have Northern Iowa again this year and the game
Speaker 1: they lost last year, so hopefully they can flip that game.
Speaker 1: They can hopefully flip maybe either the Kansas State game
Speaker 1: or who else were they close against the lost the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma game. They're probably not going to beat Oklahoma this year,
Speaker 1: but if they can flip that or Oklahoma State they
Speaker 1: were competitive in I could see a four and eight
Speaker 1: campaign for Iowa states. I could. Yeah, to me, this
Speaker 1: is like the new drive for six. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know where six is coming from. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I know where five is coming from. The schedule
Speaker 1: gets weird in November. You got three or four on
Speaker 1: the road, including your final two at Baylor at k State.
Speaker 1: You'll probably be able to throw against something. Teams definitely
Speaker 1: should be Yeah, lackluster defenses. West Virginia comes to mind.
Speaker 1: They should be be able to be had in the
Speaker 1: secondary and Texas Tech that's kind of their mo We'll
Speaker 1: talk about them next. But I'm going to say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say five and seven at best, four and eight
Speaker 1: more realistically, Okay, but I'm excited. I like Matt Campbell.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the Duke of Hazzard, Allen
Speaker 1: Lazard and Mike Warren and Jakwan Bailey on defense. So
Speaker 1: I think they take another step forward. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see where they go. I think them getting incrementally better,
Speaker 1: even if they're not going to make a bowl that's
Speaker 1: meaningful for the Big Twelve. They need to have I
Speaker 1: think more parody between top and bottom, and I think
Speaker 1: this will help get them there. Agree, all right, let's
Speaker 1: go to Texas Tech. Dan, Let's do it. I am
Speaker 1: obligated to play this sound every time I talk about
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. We put a ton of research into these previews,
Speaker 1: as you because we're covering a bunch of teams each week,
Speaker 1: So you know, don't don't pan it, don't kill us.
Speaker 1: Excuse me if we pan over some stuff here and there,
Speaker 1: if we don't get into the full minutia and the
Speaker 1: machinations of each team, all right, that's not what we
Speaker 1: always do here. It did dawn on me though, that
Speaker 1: there's really no need to overthink Texas Tech. The preview
Speaker 1: has been exactly the same each of the last three years.
Speaker 1: The names change, the preview is always the same. True
Speaker 1: it does every year every year. It's well, Tech's got
Speaker 1: a good offense, they're gonna throw it for a ton
Speaker 1: of yards. They got to play better defense. They play
Speaker 1: better defense, they're gonna be much better shape. But offense,
Speaker 1: there'll be a ton of FUNNL watch. We just we
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna stop anybody. And I feel
Speaker 1: like we're there again this year. They lose Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Their defensive lines of total reboot for their top five
Speaker 1: tacklers are gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah they were super beat up last year too on defense.
Speaker 2: But yes, the point stands.
Speaker 1: But I'm just, you know, I'm very blase on Tech
Speaker 1: Tech again. I need Cliff Kingsbury to prove to me
Speaker 1: that he's got more in the tank than just a
Speaker 1: really fun offense. Okay, I think that's all right.
Speaker 2: They have promising quarterbacks, they have speed on offense. They're
Speaker 2: going to put up points, they're gonna put up yards.
Speaker 2: The defense, you know, if it's not a disaster, that
Speaker 2: will be a surprise, because that's what we've come to expect.
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's more to say about Texas
Speaker 2: Tech at this point. I think it would actually be
Speaker 2: wasting our breaths to say anything that we already have
Speaker 2: not said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: I would also add, though, that two of the quarterbacks
Speaker 2: on the depth chart their names are Payne Sullens and
Speaker 2: McLain Carter, which are aggressively Texas quarterback.
Speaker 1: Now, it's very aggressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have them down as five and seven,
Speaker 2: five and seven. Maybe when a shootout they didn't, I
Speaker 2: go five and seven here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Final team, Final team, Dan Rock, Chalk Jayhawk. Mmmmmmm.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you how high the ceiling
Speaker 1: is because that's a weird way to phrase it for
Speaker 1: where I think Kansas is going to be this year. Instead,
Speaker 1: let me turn it around a little bit. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you how much higher do you think the floor
Speaker 1: is in twenty seventeen as opposed to twenty sixteen?
Speaker 2: A significant distance, because if the floor is one in eleven,
Speaker 2: two and ten, I think even not even sort of
Speaker 2: based on win loss record, but just what they look
Speaker 2: like on the field. They keep infusing with JC guys
Speaker 2: the defensive line looks really good. I like the ability
Speaker 2: on offense to find playmakers. The talent is in a
Speaker 2: place that's much higher than it was under Charlie Weiss,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that can be overlooked, and that
Speaker 2: includes coaching talents. They hired Doug Meachum. So I expect
Speaker 2: improvement in scheme, in identity on offense. It's going to
Speaker 2: take a while to really look like a robust, big
Speaker 2: twelve offense. But schedules fine, it's backloaded. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're winning five games, but can they go threatening three
Speaker 2: and nine, four and eight, A couple breaks here and there,
Speaker 2: Maybe they play a team with an injured quarterback and
Speaker 2: pick off a few passes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: I don't expect it's another drive to six team, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna say three and nine, but an
Speaker 2: incrementally improved three and nine.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in Kansas primarily because of the way that
Speaker 1: David Beatty built this year's version of the team. He'll
Speaker 1: Connelly referred to it as surfing the transfer market as
Speaker 1: if they were at English soccer school. But there are transfers,
Speaker 1: there are jucos stepping in plug and play guys to
Speaker 1: help stabilize the ship, because the problem at Kansas was
Speaker 1: not just limited to schematics. It was talent. They need,
Speaker 1: they need bodies, they need better players, and I think
Speaker 1: he's trying to do his part to build depth this year.
Speaker 1: You know, offensively, last year they were a huge mess.
Speaker 1: This year they lose a good chunk of their secondary
Speaker 1: from a year ago, which wasn't great to begin with,
Speaker 1: but again, that's gonna be a problem spot. You're right
Speaker 1: to say that there's a murderer's row starting in October
Speaker 1: and then all throughout the rest of the season. Here
Speaker 1: is what happens to Kansas in terms of their schedule
Speaker 1: between late September when they're on buy and the end
Speaker 1: of the year. Texas Tech at Iowa State at TCU,
Speaker 1: K State, Baylor at Texas, Oklahoma at Oklahoma State, all
Speaker 1: in consecutive weeks. I don't know if they win any
Speaker 1: of those games. And Bill Connolly was wise to point
Speaker 1: out in looking at that schedule that really the hit
Speaker 1: or miss game, the Bell Weather game for Kansas is
Speaker 1: going to be Ohio in Week three. Ohio, which he's
Speaker 1: got projected as the one hundred and third best S
Speaker 1: and P plus team in the country. He's saying, that's
Speaker 1: the bel Weather game, and I agree. I agree. You
Speaker 1: got three games in the beginning that are probably winnable.
Speaker 1: Maybe you pick off a game at some point later
Speaker 1: in the year. But I don't know how you get
Speaker 1: to four wins. If you're Kansas, you can go three
Speaker 1: to nine still improve drastically because they've been so bad,
Speaker 1: and I think feel pretty good about where things might
Speaker 1: go in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: So they have as I look at this, quarterback wise,
Speaker 2: if we're worried about their defense, guys who will throw
Speaker 2: it all over them, A good chance of guys who
Speaker 2: are throwing it all over them. Maybe not a guy
Speaker 2: until that well, Texas Tech probably will, but other than
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, I'm not fully confident in.
Speaker 1: What Billy Greer. Billy, We'll see what happens Billy Greer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in terms of depth of dangerous quarterbacks, it's a good
Speaker 1: year to be rebuilding a secondary, a bad school. We'd
Speaker 1: a bad program or bad with a bad squad or
Speaker 1: an underwhelming squad. So they always seem to put the
Speaker 1: fear of life into TCU every year, and that's on
Speaker 1: the road this year it's in Fort Worth. They're going
Speaker 1: to beat somebody that we don't have it down as
Speaker 1: right now. They are going to take somebody down that
Speaker 1: seems improbable. That's what I will say. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: in closing here, since we've gone through all ten teams, yes,
Speaker 1: let's let's tier off these teams. Let's let's put them
Speaker 1: in like four groups. I think we both agree that
Speaker 1: Oklahoma is tops. Mm hm. You think they're alone on
Speaker 1: the top. I think they're alone in the top tier.
Speaker 1: I would put in Tier two Oklahoma State, Texas, and
Speaker 1: TCU probably in that order, Okay. I suspect that you
Speaker 1: would put k State in that tier. I would, Okay,
Speaker 1: behind TCU. I have k State kind of right on
Speaker 1: the border of tier two and three, and then I
Speaker 1: go Baylor sixth. I go bail in a better place
Speaker 1: than West Virginia right now, I think so because I
Speaker 1: sort of have that too. Yeah, West Virginia right on
Speaker 1: the cusp there. If there's a gray area between tier
Speaker 1: three and four, I put West Virginia there. Even though
Speaker 1: they're again preseason top twenty, which for the life of me,
Speaker 1: I can't understand they are totally rebuilding. I really think
Speaker 1: you got to temper your expectations. I still would argue
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt factor is pretty high there.
Speaker 1: And then for me, I go eighth, Iowa State, Ninth
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Who I'm just I'm probably putting them ninth.
Speaker 1: Not because of actually believing they'll finish worse than Iowa State,
Speaker 1: but I'm just fed up with Tech's Tech. Okay, on
Speaker 1: a personal level, I'm very fed up with them, okay.
Speaker 1: And then tenth is Kansas. You know, a bunch of transfers,
Speaker 1: plug and play guys. I'm curious as to how they
Speaker 1: Lord Doug meetchim away and what that could do for
Speaker 1: a Kansas offense. But uh, three and nine, I think
Speaker 1: this is a ceiling for them.
Speaker 2: Wow, down, down down, Yeah, all right, I mostly agree.
Speaker 2: Should we check in with our parallel universe Serius XM
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Speaker 1: Eight, nine nine, nine. Tune tu Tim give us a
Speaker 1: call in the insta Loom hotline. We are talking Big twelve.
Speaker 1: What will Oklahoma look like without vod stoops. It's going
Speaker 1: to be a change, no doubt about it. What can
Speaker 1: Texas do with new coach Tom Herman? Will he bring
Speaker 1: some much needed energy to the forty acres? Gotta be honest,
Speaker 1: big question right there. Mike Gundy has a big offense
Speaker 1: this year. Will it be enough for those cowboys to
Speaker 1: make some noise? Gonna be a fun fall in stillwater,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. We know Cliff Kingsberry has the looks,
Speaker 1: but will he find the defense? Some new questions and Lodock,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Should we be hearing sirens warning about
Speaker 1: dan O Holgerson's air raid? God, wait and see? Is
Speaker 1: can he Hill the answer for TCU? And can Gary
Speaker 1: Patterson get this Hornbrock team back to where they were?
Speaker 1: Only time will tell. What about Kansas State? Are they
Speaker 1: sneaking up on America? And what about Kansas, Iowa State, Baylor?
Speaker 1: Could they make some noise? A huge question, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. Eight eight, nine, nine on tune Turn ten,
Speaker 1: give us a buzz on the install Loum hotline. And
Speaker 1: now because you've requested it on that hotline, Disbussyo, I
Speaker 1: love those ties. Ty. You brought it back in, Yes,
Speaker 1: you brought it back down. Oh it felt right, Ty
Speaker 1: felt right? We got to pigive the people what they demand.
Speaker 1: It felt good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to know it's out there, ty Just to
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Speaker 2: felt good.
Speaker 1: It feels good to be back in the swing of
Speaker 1: things here talking about twenty seventeen college football. I do
Speaker 1: have five nuggets though, Tye, please please, we don't want
Speaker 1: to leave out the aa C nuggets. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Please, I've got a group of five nuggs. It's power
Speaker 2: six nuggets. Here's what you need to know going into
Speaker 2: the season. According to me, you probably don't agree with
Speaker 2: all of this.
Speaker 1: Number five. Randy Edzel's back. Yeah, dream job? Can we play?
Speaker 1: Can we play? Sexier than Edsel? Throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the season, because people really got into that. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: had gotten through. I had my mom texting me about
Speaker 1: Randy Edseel's overall sexiness. Okay for me, but it was fun.
Speaker 1: William Shatner, Oh, you're you're playing it now?
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, ty Is William Shatner objectively sexier than Randy?
Speaker 1: No, you gotta go Edzel. I think I'm going on
Speaker 1: Etzel's younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably has his own hair, sure, but he
Speaker 2: hired RTT Lashley, who has been at Auburn, and Auburn
Speaker 2: was looking for a change offensively, so he's running the
Speaker 2: offense that you caught next. SMU has a literal large receiver,
Speaker 2: and he is a big receiver in every sense the word.
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton is probably one of the best three receivers
Speaker 2: in college football. Is borderline unguardable, especially when he plays
Speaker 2: in the American He is awesome. He's really good. You
Speaker 2: should watch SMU. If there's a like a weird random Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Thursday or Friday night game, watch Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 1: He's worth it.
Speaker 2: What about what about Tom Selleck? Oh, Seleck is way
Speaker 2: sexier than it. You gotta go with this passroom slowly,
Speaker 2: not even close. I would point out that Riley Ferguson
Speaker 2: is really, really good. He is the quarterback of Memphis.
Speaker 2: He of course transferred from Tennessee a little bit ago,
Speaker 2: even without Chip Long, who Notre Dame pulled away unceremoniously.
Speaker 1: He's very, very good.
Speaker 2: He finished last season with an eleven to one touchdown
Speaker 2: interception ratio in November was super efficient.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot.
Speaker 2: I like Riley Ferguson, I like Mike Norvella everything is
Speaker 2: happening from Memphis. He's a He's an even bigger prospect
Speaker 2: than just good in college. You could be a good
Speaker 2: pro prospect ideal size. What about John lithgow Ah Edseel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta go. I think you gotta go.
Speaker 1: Go on ed Soel. There's a there's a sportiness to
Speaker 1: Edsel that I don't think Lythgo is ever gonna match.
Speaker 1: Houston has Ed Oliver, and Oliver is going to destroy
Speaker 1: everybody that tries to block at Oliver. Also, they have
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen, but mostly they have Ed Oliver. Yeah, Major
Speaker 1: Appleoy takes over Kyle Allen is fun, but at Oliver Finally,
Speaker 1: and this is the one you're gonna appreciate your guy,
Speaker 1: Quintin Flowers, Tie, my boy, he's got a very very
Speaker 1: soft schedule, my boy.
Speaker 2: Seventeen, Charlie Strong takes over at USF. Quinn Flowers is back,
Speaker 2: A ton is back on both sides, which isn't always
Speaker 2: the best because that defense wasn't particularly good, but right
Speaker 2: spot of that defense. Who is the leading returning tackler
Speaker 2: for the American Athletic Conference Tie, It's a great name
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna say it right now.
Speaker 1: Augiez augez Jay, do we say it like John Miller,
Speaker 1: Sanchez Sanchas, Augie au g g I E Sanjay, I'm excited. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So those are your five American you know, Navy's rebuildings,
Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff. Well, hopefully Willie Fritz improves that tulane.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it should be a really fun conference this year.
Speaker 2: All right, Well that does it for Big twelve. That
Speaker 2: does it for some American nuggets. Next week we're doing
Speaker 2: the Big ten. Next week we are doing the Big ten. Yes,
Speaker 2: that sounds right. We're starting big. We're starting literally big.
Speaker 2: I have one more sexier than Randy Edzel for you, Tie, Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go with.
Speaker 1: Warren Beatty. Probably go Randy Etzel. I'm going baby Tie,
Speaker 1: and it's not close for me, Gonna go Randy Etzel.
Speaker 2: Now, Warren Batty is definitely sexier. Warren Beatty has a
Speaker 2: long history of being a good looking guy.
Speaker 1: What about Randy Etzel or Bob Davey. That's almost like
Speaker 1: the brothers say, they're kind of the same person At that.
Speaker 2: Point, I'm one personality. I think I can believe in
Speaker 2: Bob Davey a little bit more. As about three I'm
Speaker 2: still going to.
Speaker 1: Bob davey okay fa fair all right, So again, thank
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