WEBVTT - #448 Packers Unscripted: Duties in Dallas 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:20.520 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.160 I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.680 wes Hodkuitz. We're coming to you here from our studios 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.000 at lambeau Field West. It is Friday, our final show 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:33.200 of the week before we take off for Big D tomorrow, 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.160 and as we finish up the week, like always, we'll 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.479 talk Keys to Victory. So I think I have a 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.040 pretty good idea where you want to start with this one. Yeah, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.360 j R. Ewing, I'm gonna have the cowboy hat on, 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.559 I have the suit ready already. I'm gonna go out there. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.480 I'm gonna set the tone for everybody, and that's gonna 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.479 be the biggest key to victory of all. Uh No, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.920 I mean it obviously is Ezekiel Elliott. And the reason 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.120 I say this, we we know every single week we 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.520 do our Keys of vic dream. But you want any 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.200 reason for why this New Orleans Saints were able to 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.959 come out with victorious in that game against the Dallas Cowboys, 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.840 That was the key to victory. The fact that Zeke 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.520 Elliott didn't get going, the fact that they were not 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.120 able to establish the ground game and they were able 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.800 to win a low scoring contest. I don't know. I 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.160 don't see that scenario playing out again. I think that 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:21.960 the over is going to be more than twenty two 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.840 points in this game. I think the Packers are going 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.920 to have to score a couple of touchdowns. I don't 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.200 think you're gonna be able to beat the Cowboys on 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.800 the road, no matter what you do against Elliott by 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.640 only kicking field. So but that was the starting point 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.360 for the Saints, no question. I think there's a lot 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.160 of things. You know, Mike Petton has been asked about it. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.240 The Packers defensive tackles have been asked about it, the linebackers, 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.199 everybody really on the defense has been, you know, really 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.960 been trying to put a finger on what's going on 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:48.720 with the run defense and what they need to do. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.560 But as we've talked about a number of times, Mike, 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.680 for the Saints, it wasn't that they just sold out 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.280 and they were doing five man defensive jumbo fronts or 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.720 anything like that. They just executed their system well. They 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.360 had eyes fill gaps, and they just didn't allow those 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.680 holes to open up. That Elliott can burn you. With 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.520 the Packers, it's gonna be very difficult to hold them 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.880 to eighteen carries for thirty five yards again in a fumble. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.639 But if you can contain that quiet storm that that 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.880 Elliott presents, that's going to be your key to victory 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.919 in this one. It's so interesting how this matchup sets 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.280 up in that respect as far as the Packers run 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.280 defense against Elliott, because Elliott weeks two and three was 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.720 well over a hundred yards and both of those games 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.160 high yards per carry, all that really productive. Then suddenly 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.600 week four he gets completely shut down by the Saints. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.919 You look at the Packers run defense, only forty six 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.359 yards rushing by the Chicago Bears in week one, look 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.160 like the Packers are off to a great start in 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.360 that area. Then Dalvin Cook breaks the seventy five yard 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.400 or in week two, you kind of go oh a 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.320 little bit. And then weeks three and four, the Denver 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.440 Broncos and the Philadelphia Eagles didn't have any of those big, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.240 monster explosive runs, but they just kept pounding away on 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.280 the ground against the Packers defensive front and they were 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:07.480 having success doing it. So it's as though Ezekiel Elliott 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.359 and the Packers run defense are both coming into this 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.960 game knowing what they can do, but yet feeling like 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.560 they have something to prove. Yeah, mortal. I mean the 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.280 fact that it's just and that's the realization you have 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.959 to have with this league. You're just not going to 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.720 dominate every single week. The guys who do are the 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.280 ones that are the m v P candidates that you 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.800 know they have that season where they're just impenetrable. Uh. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.280 That that's just is so rare to accomplish that though 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:33.959 in the best and the most elite all pros and 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.960 the league don't always just play sixteen straight clean games. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.160 The big challenge here, I think though, for Dallas is 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.520 seeing what this offensive line is gonna look like. Now, 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.600 certainly Travis Frederick Zack Martin two of the best that 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.720 do it in the game, and the interior line, but 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.080 if you don't have Ron Smith in depend depending on 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.680 exactly how this all works out with Loell Collins, that's 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.880 a big change, because as good as Elliott is, and 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.680 he's exceptional, he could probably still pick up a hundred 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.560 yards with West hotqwits blocking form at left guard. But 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.960 here's the thing that's oppressive about it is that they've 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.080 been able to marry for so many years even going 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.480 back to the DeMarco Murray era mary their offensive line 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.159 and that being a strength of their entire team with 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.200 having a good every down back. If you throw a 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.960 few little wrenches into the equation like that, with those 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.800 questions at tackle, that's you know, a potential area where 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.520 the Packers could capitalize. Yeah, the reports that have been 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.560 out from Dallas are that to Ron Smith, the all 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.320 pro left tackle, is going to miss this game. Lyle 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.520 Collins at right tackle, even though he hasn't practiced Wednesday 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.320 or Thursday leading into the game, reports are that he 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.520 is still going to play. But again, you know, these 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.320 are these are the kinds of things that you don't 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.440 really necessarily know for sure until game day and until 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.240 that inactive list is officially turned in. But I'm with you, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.200 I'm really curious to see, depending on, you know, how 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.279 this works out with the Pack the Cowboys, excuse me, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.039 and their offensive tackles, what that does to u to 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.800 their offense and potentially their game plan. I mean, the 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.000 reports out of Dallas also that Amari Cooper, their number 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.440 one wide receiver, going to play, but not necessarily at 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:18.719 um you know, dealing with I think it's an ankle 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.320 injury if I'm not what's on the injury report. So 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.839 there's a lot of a lot of uncertainty. Yeah, ankle, Okay, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.520 So there there's there is a lot of uncertainty with 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.000 with what's going on with some of the big name 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.760 players in this game, not only for the Packers, but 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.760 for the Cowboys as well. Yeah, I mean the Cowboys. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.800 One thing we probably haven't talked enough about this week 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.479 is that the Cowboys injury report is pretty extensive as well, 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.440 because even with you know, Michael Gallup potentially being back. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.440 You mentioned the issues that Amari Cooper is playing with 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.960 now again Cooper was a full participant on Thursday, But 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.479 these are the type of injuries might that when you 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.800 get those lower body extremity, that's gonna affect you. It's 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.720 gonna affect your outes, it's gonna affect how you cut it, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.880 you know, in your roads or it doesn't take much 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.960 to reaggravate something. That's the That's the other thing too, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.320 And the thing about Gallup is looking at him in 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.600 particular for the Cowboys, they don't really have I think 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.240 another guy that's sort of does what he does in 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.320 that offense. So the tight end position you know, Jason 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.960 Witten is going to be there, but Jason Witten is 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.640 in Jason Witten from seven years ago. So you need 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.200 those young guns to sort of carry you and to 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.280 be able to marry the past game with what Zeke 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.480 Elliott does. Those are all things that we're gonna have 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.720 to answer. But more than anything else, Mike, seeing how 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.800 Dak Prescott can handle this whole situation. Off to a 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.800 great start to his season, certainly, I know the contract 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.520 questions have been out there for him. But you know, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.039 if the Packers do you know, sell out to you know, 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.200 put an extra guy in the box, putting another inside 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.120 linebacker on the field, if they do all those things 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.400 to attack Zeke Elliott, well, then how is Prescott going 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.000 to handle those things as well? All the different factors 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.160 that you've got to take into account of game like this. Yeah, well, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.080 on the other side of the ball, for the Packers 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.440 keys to victory on the offensive side, I'm not sure 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.720 what you think, West, but to me, it all starts 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.719 with Aaron Jones, And I say that for a few 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.320 different reasons. Yes, the Packers they didn't run the ball 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.720 very well against Philadelphia, but they put up all kinds 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.840 of yards, four twenty two passing yards, almost five d 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.200 total yards in the game. You know, yes, they missed 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.760 on you know, some red zone opportunities. Matt Lafleur made 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.840 the comment the other day that if you can run 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.240 the ball in the red zone, you usually end up 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.720 being more efficient down there in terms of scoring points. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.920 That's something the Packers need to do. But in a 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.640 more general sense, at the time we're taping this, we 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.800 don't have a final word on Davantae Adams or Jamal 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:40.440 Williams and their injury status for this game. But I 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.720 think a lot of this offensively for the Packers is 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.760 going to come down to Aaron Jones, because if you 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.640 don't have Davante Adams, you're losing that number one guy, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.080 your Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl receiver. And I've said this 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.119 inn Insider in Box, I said it on our Final 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.520 Thoughts video. You need to be able to get a 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.480 play action game going. And the way to get a 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.360 play action game going obviously is to run the ball effectively. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.760 But the reason play action is so important, at least 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.200 in my mind, and this is not to disparage Marquez, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.400 Velda Scantling, Geronimo Alice and Jake Kumar, any of those guys. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.040 But the facts are none of those guys are pro bowlers. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.000 They aren't at Davante Adams level. And to me, play 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.960 action passing is your equal opportunity passing game. If it's working, 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.880 it doesn't really matter who the receiver is. You don't 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.240 need a pro bowler to get open in a play 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.280 action game. If your play action game is effective, the 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.199 running game is effective to set that up, any receiver, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.800 any tight end, can get open in that scenario when 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.559 everything is working together. And that's why I think this 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.240 game starts if Davanta Adams cannot play. I think this 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.120 game starts with Aaron Jones. Yeah. And and to be 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.160 honest with you, Mike, even if Davanta Adams does go, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.679 I think Aaron Jones is going to be the primary 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.120 objective with the Packers because he is your biggest playmaker, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.240 your biggest healthy playmaker that's available to you. And the 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.200 other thing about Aaron Jones too, And he's not going 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.440 to say this, but you know, I know him the 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.199 way that he's wired. You know, he's very polite, he's 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.040 very nice, but he's also credibly competitive. In the last 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.920 two weeks it's been difficult for him trying to get 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.600 going on the ground. He wants to be able to 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.360 be in every down back. I think we saw in 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.120 that those matchups earlier this month. I mean the game 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.720 against Chicago. I mean, he's a guy that feels like 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.000 he can carry the ball and be effective when he's 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.880 given the opportunity and can can handle that three down 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.760 go out there and get him kind of roll. But 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.679 the other aspect to this that I look at when 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.559 you say your key to victory for the Packers, it's 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.920 Aaron Rodgers. We don't know what Davante Adam status is 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:33.440 going to be. We don't know what he's gonna be 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.319 like if he does play. We don't know what Brian 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.680 Bulaga is going to be dealing with if he's out 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.200 there with the shoulder. Aaron Rodgers is the two time 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.560 m v P. He's the guy that has a sterling 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.120 track record inside AT and T Stadium and knows rod 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.839 Marinelli's defense probably as well as any quarterback in the 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.520 NFL with how much he's seen it. Aaron Rodgers needs 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.120 to be spectacular. It's a road game, it's a three 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.760 and one ball club. You need him to be at 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.680 his absolute best because last week, Mike, they weren't able 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.600 to get the running game going for most of the game. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.440 He didn't have Davante Adams at the end of the game, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.080 but he spread the ball around. They moved the ball 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.640 effectively four and two passing yards and they he put 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.040 that team, while they did not come out with the win, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.120 he put them in a position to win that football game. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.800 They need another performance again like that against a Dallas 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.040 Cowboys defense that honestly, I would say is even a 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.040 step up from what they saw against the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.880 and you mentioned obviously the track record record of success. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.360 Aaron Rodgers has an a T and T stadium. He's 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.600 put up some phenomenal numbers. There had some great dramatic moments. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.320 We talked about some of those on yesterday's show. Aaron 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.400 Jones game in Dallas his rookie year, that was kind 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.560 of his coming out party, so to speak. To to 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:53.120 use an overused phrase, but the you know, Packers, Packers 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.360 fans didn't necessarily know exactly what they had in Aaron Jones. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.400 And then that game in Dallas in October of that year, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.760 he went over a hundred yards. He made a couple 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.240 of key plays on the final drive to to get 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.360 the Packers in position for the winning touchdown. He really 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.280 was the star of the game offensively for Green Bay there. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.040 And uh, and you know he's from Texas. You know, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.760 the Texas l passos where he went to college and everything. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.280 He feels at home when he plays there, So you know, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.720 you know his his eyes are going to be bright. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.200 He's gonna be really excited for this one storytime with 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.839 west Hodkowitz here. Okay, I don't know if you recall this, Mike, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.640 but in two thousand seventeen, the regular season opener, Aaron 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.959 Jones was a healthy scratch. Davante Mays was the third 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.679 running back behind Time Montgomery and Jamal Williams. There was 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.880 a real question. This is one of the reasons why 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.959 I wrote the Dexter Williams story this week. There was 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.040 a real question about whether or not Jones could be 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.400 an every down guy or if he was just a 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:45.920 guy you would be able to run the ball with. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.080 And at that time, I thought that game against Dallas 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.760 showed that this guy was more. He was a complete 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.080 running back and he had what it takes to actually 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.840 round out his game to be featured in that role. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.720 This is the season I think everybody's expecting Aaron Jones 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.000 to really blossom because he has the experience in his 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.520 back pocket. He's only twenty four, he's athletic as heck. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.400 In a game like this, if you can get going 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.960 again on the road against the Dallas Cowboys, what a 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.199 statement that would be, especially when you don't have that 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.640 that check, that counter that you typically have in your 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:23.079 back pocket. With Jamal Williams another guy too, Danny Vitally 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:24.559 is going to be interesting to watch in this game. 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.640 I was talking to John Coon about him yesterday and 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.360 this game definitely seems tailored because even if it is 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.439 Dexter Williams or whoever the backup is going to be 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.040 if Jamal Williams doesn't go, Danny Vitali is the most 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.280 experienced guy in that room right now in terms of 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.640 NFL years. He got his first carry last week, would 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.360 not surprise me if you see him get a couple more. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.679 And also being able to integrate the passing game three 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.080 catches over the last two games. That's another aspect to 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.160 this that if you can put those plays out there, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.480 they're gonna have to account for. Yeah, well, one thing 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.160 that has definitely been a trademark. I guess if you 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.000 want to say, of these recent Packers Cowboys games at 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.040 a T and T stage, um there have been major 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.520 momentum shifts teams. Either team can get on a run. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.320 You look at the ten playoff game down there, the 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.599 Packers jumped out, you know, built the big lead, and 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.440 then it was the Cowboys coming back from two touchdowns 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.120 down in the fourth quarter. The regular season game in 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.360 seventeen almost the reverse in the sense the Cowboys were 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.080 the ones who were in the lead. The Packers were 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.200 coming from behind in the fourth quarter and end up 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.960 scoring the winning touchdown at the end. There's something to 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.840 these games where you you have to be able to 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.000 handle the momentum shifts and just always know, hey, it's 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.839 a four quarter game, it's a sixty minute game. Something 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.320 goes wrong and the crowd for Dallas starts going crazy 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.160 and whatever, you just have to weather. You've got to 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.400 weather the storm, you limit the damage, and you live to, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.400 you know, to play another play. The Packers have done 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.800 that really well in this stadium, and I think they're 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.520 gonna have to do it again because these these games, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.520 just these games can swing wildly back and forth for 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.280 some reason when these two teams get together very much so, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.520 especially in that particular stadium. It's very interesting though, too, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.800 because while there are a couple of veterans on the 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.920 team that have good memories of coming up here and 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.480 to Green Bay and playing the party spoiler a few 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.640 seasons ago, there are we talked about the Packers and 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.000 in their experience down there, there's a lot of guys 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.680 on Dallas's roster still that very bitter aftertaste from some 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.320 of those games. The sixteen game was interesting because I 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.880 still feel like even though the Dallas did score late, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.080 that was the most complete performance they had had the 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.680 Packers they did just being able to get off to 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.600 the fast start. They really didn't leave any doubt. They're 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.800 they were flying high after that win against the Giants, 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.360 and they made a statement at first half those other 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.240 two games, Mike, if you really boil it down, the 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.760 Packers probably had no business waiting either of them at halftime. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.760 We're honestly three. You had Matt Flynn and there that 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.480 shouldn't happen. Everybody thought that game was you know, Eddie 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.520 Lacey was dealing with some ankle issues that you know, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.840 I think people didn't really understand what he was playing 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.880 through and they still did it. They willed themselves to 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.360 those victories. That's the part of it that if I'm 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.440 the Packers and I want to be leary of going 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.400 into this, you you got to start fast. You do 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.160 not want to be in that position again, because there's 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.320 gonna be a handful of really significant players on that 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.560 Dallas defense that if they get a lead, they're not 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.440 gonna want to give it back. They're gonna want to 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.400 make sure that they stay up on themselves for sixty 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.000 minutes and be able to come up with a much 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.920 needed victory after kind of a reality check in New Orleans. Yeah, well, 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.480 what we also like to do before we wrap up 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.280 for the week is take a look at what else 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.720 is going on in the NFL. And I'm gonna jump 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.280 over Thursday night football. I want I got to talk 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.080 about this, talk about it happened to claim Matthews again. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.920 It actually happened to claim Matthews again. How does this happen? 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.080 I mean, it's just I don't mean to jump over it, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.480 but like I'm watching this game right, I'm I'm laying 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.520 down on my college and eating some popcorn and just 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.280 kind of checking this thing out. I just don't get it. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.480 Like maybe it's Russell Wilson, and if it would have 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.360 been Andy Dalton, no one would have cared. But like 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:57.040 the fact that Matthews again makes a football play. He 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:58.760 didn't lead with this hel, many didn't hit him with 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.880 this hel Maty throws his shoulder and to him and 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.440 they throw the flag. Clay Matthews, dude, Like when this 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.240 thing is all said and done, he's gonna be like 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.080 the poster child for like the real sensitive quarterback era 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:14.080 at the NFL. And it all started because of some 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:19.880 play that happened to be committed against Aaron Rodgers. It's yeah, 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.720 the rest of the game was great. It was very entertaining. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.240 I have to admit I missed the game. I only 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.400 watched the highlights. I did not see the highlight of 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.720 the Clay Matthews place. So now you're gonna have me 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.240 going back and searching to have two kids. Right your 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.280 kid ever like fall off the like swing or like 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.920 accedentally run into a door or something like that. Did 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.120 you take the door down? I mean, like, it's just 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.080 it's incredible to me that it's like to to reiterate 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:47.760 the play for people who didn't see it. I mean, 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.080 Wilson is out of the pocket. There are certain protections 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.600 that are there or not there when you're out of 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.320 the pocket. Throws the past, does Matthews Should Matthews have 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.040 held up? Sure, but he threw his shoulder into him 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.600 and on the very ex play, Matthews seemed to indicate, Yeah, 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.800 you did some nice acting on that to be able 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.240 to actually draw that flag out of it. Well, Wilson's 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.560 been doing that his whole career. We know that they 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.280 were able to continue to the drive from there, they 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:12.960 end up pulling off. I guess you could call it 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.560 a come back. It was a back and forth game, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.520 but that was the game deciding drive and unfortunately, again 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.040 affected by what I felt like, I think Twitter felt 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.840 like it was a very unnecessary penalty. Yeah, well there 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.640 that game circumstance wise, very similar to Packers Cowboys because 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.919 that was to three and one teams and now the 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.080 Seattle Sea X Now that's a division game, so it 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.159 has even bigger implications as far as the NFC West 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.440 is concerned. But now the Seattle Seahawks four and one, 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.639 the defending NFC champion Los Angeles Rams at three and two, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.640 and they're on a two game losing streak because they 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.359 gave up a whole bunch of points to the Tampa 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.080 Bay Buccaneers a week ago. So so the three and 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.119 oh start for the Rams kind of been undone a 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.480 little bit. And that's exactly what the Packers and Cowboys 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.200 are hoping to avoid, is to not feel like you're 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:02.040 three and o jump out the gate. Great start gets 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.560 completely turned around on you in two weeks. Yeah, it's 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.119 incredible how that stuff happens. Russell Wilson is off to 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.840 an m v P type season right now. He's been exceptional. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.520 Uh that penalty notwithstanding, it was really difficult that touchdown 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.560 pass early in the game. The highlight I saw the 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.800 one Tyler Lockett caught in the back corner. I mean, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.480 are you are you kidding me? That was that was phenomenal. Yeah, 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.440 And to be honest, to be fair to Jared Goff, 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.120 he made a couple of great throws in this game. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.200 To him and Cooper Cup they're on a different level 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.080 right now. But unfortunately they lost Brandon Cooks midway through 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.719 and they just weren't able to make the play when 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.159 they needed too late. In Russell Wilson man, when you 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.479 go into that stadium, you have to be able to 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.280 play percent. You have to make sure everything goes correct 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.320 for you, and it didn't quite work out for them well. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.040 In the NFC North in week five, the games to 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.680 take a look at really intriguing one going on out 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.639 in the meadow lands, as they say, East Rutherford, New Jersey. 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.720 The Minnesota Vikings taking their show on the road to 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.760 the New York Giants. Now they are all these questions 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.600 as to whether Sae Kwon Barkley is going to be 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.800 able to play or not for the Giants with his 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.760