WEBVTT - The McKinley Phipps aka Mac Episode 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.720 Get up, gett boys. It's back and reloaded all in 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.440 your mind. Yeah and now deep throating. This is for 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.400 the streets, the reel, the railroading, the disanfranchise, the truth, 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.440 the scapegoating, and they ain't knowing we speak the truth, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.960 so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.200 South East coach is g b my for keeping your 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.079 head bobbing. It ain't no stopping and wants to be 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.920 try by then the system is so corrupt they throw 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.840 the rock out of their heads and then blame it 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:33.000 on us. Don't get it twisted on code and me 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.920 dancing for no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scarf 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.519 baces in the building. Collectively we are the ghetto boys. Reloaded, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.959 Reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:52.120 you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio. Mckinnley, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.840 Phipps a k A. Mac, what's happening? What's happened to man? 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:04.720 Welcome back, Welcome to the same old place that you 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.000 laughed about. You know what I'm talking about? And the 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:13.000 dream come around. I don't know the rest of the words, 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:20.039 but we hung around. Who they need you. Yeah, right here, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:25.720 we need you because we got him on the spot. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:31.759 Well come back, wasn't at your boy played? Yeah? Freddy 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:39.280 boom boom Washington? Yeah, Mac man, Man, it's good to 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.520 see you. Man, you boy. You're a hell of a fighter. Man, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:47.760 You're you're a true You're a true definition of survivors. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.880 Let's let's let's take it all the way back. Let's 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.480 go back to third Ward, New Orleans. All right, how 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:59.200 was that light growing up in Third Ward? I mean, um, actually, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.760 my neighborhoo, it was was, it was. It was nice, man, 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.080 until eighty six came and we all know what happening. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.640 I mean, you know, before then, you know, me and 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.799 my childhood partners, like my manager also that we all 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.480 played and we had fun. I really know, we was 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.120 pulling until I started seeing rich people, you know what 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.600 I mean. So until then I just thought that this 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.639 is where the way things were. But once eight to six, 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.079 you know, hit man, it was. It was a hell 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.480 of a blow to the community. And how did it 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.360 affect you and your family personally? Well, you know, of course, 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:37.000 I think with every family you have, you know, drugs 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.560 affected them in different ways. With my family, luckily, you know, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.560 unfortunately not on world. We didn't have any junk. It's 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.320 you know, anybody in my immediate family because my parents, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:52.840 my parents we do right and and and I had 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.560 cousins and you know, uncles and people like that. You 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.320 know that was affected, like you know, either using l en, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.280 but as far as in the immediate household, you know, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.840 we didn't have any. And the drunk is anything. A 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.960 couple of my uncles got on it in in in, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.600 you know, thirty five years later, I feel hella bad 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:17.480 about that, right, No, I can imagine because it had 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.040 it had. I watched it, man, I literally watched the 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.240 change like overnight, like literally like people I respected all 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.919 of a sudden became like the junkie and the person 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.360 who was it was almost like a man, the kids, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.040 grown ups and the grown up kids because now missing 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.800 so and so who was walking through the neighborhood you respect. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.120 Now he's coming to get that stuff from this little kid, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.440 and we'll give him. Give the little kid. He's old, 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.840 lady and changed. It was said by the man who 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:51.200 couldn't quit dope. Man, please gonna have another hit. And 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.480 that's crazy because I think the weirdest thing I saw 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.480 I remember seeing this. A friend of mine went to 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.400 go make a sale and when he came back, he 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.560 told me, and you ain't gonna believe this. I said 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.400 it was up. He told me it was one of 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.960 our teachers was the person who he was going on 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.400 sell it too. And I would never forget that. That 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.760 that kind of you know, just made me put things 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.680 in perspective a little differently. So how do you get 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.560 your mind wrapped around a better life? And how do 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.840 you go about doing that? I mean, I think it 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.920 as far as individit, well, I found hip hop man 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.719 at about seven years old, and it was my way out. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.839 Like I in my mind, I think I made it 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.760 up at I wrote my first round at seven, but 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.440 I think about eight years old, I made up my 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.279 mind and this is what I wanted to do for 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.280 the rest of my life and I didn't. I kind 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.159 of that is I think was my anti drug. It 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.560 was that thing that kept me away from I was 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.680 so focused on it. And truthfully, back then, you know, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.520 the rappers and the videos had a little flashy videos, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.080 and I thought they really owned that stuff. And I 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.039 think that's a good thing because it gave me something 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:08.080 that aspired towards and right. Well, it was like a 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:12.080 lot of stuff that I thought, well, if I do this, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.640 I had a picture of success, example of success, and 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.600 I didn't see that with drug dealers in my neighborhood. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.520 I mean the drug dealing in my neighborhood living next though, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.320 So in my mind it was like people saying he 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.000 got money, but he lived in his house next door, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.960 and I know we're only paying four rent. So I didn't. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.240 I didn't mean how old when you're thinking like this 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:40.240 about eight or nine? And it was like, well I didn't. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.560 I can't in hindsight, I'm giving you what I feel. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.039 But as a kid, was like, he don't look like 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.080 he got no money, you know what I mean? So 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.840 people like he said, I drug broke down. So did 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:58.719 your parents help guide you to crystallizing that choice and 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.760 you know, becoming a rapper? Because I know you know 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.159 you did your little Mac thing at thirteen, you put 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.880 out your first album at thirteen years I mean that's 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.400 that's phenomenal, man, Like, who help you get to that point? 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.279 All right? Well, my uncle being rest in peace. I 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.320 just buried him about a month ago. He was like, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.400 I didn't have a big brother, I was the oldest, 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.440 so he was my mom's younger brother, and he was 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:22.719 like a big brother to me and all of the 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.000 guys in the neighborhood. And he was a diehole hip 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.600 hop fan. So I used to just watch him when 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.680 he would listen to this or listen to that. And 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.359 he was the first person I rapped for. He knew 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.839 two guys that were inter wrapped at the time. It 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.320 was a brother named Gregory D and the brother named 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:43.200 sported And I was resting Peter sported T, so he 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.920 brought me to Gregory D. And Gregor D was like 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.440 he heard me, and he said, man, if I ever 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.560 get on, I got you. And I was like eleven 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.600 and so I think the next year he came got 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.880 me and he had left the group he was with 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.320 and formed with a guy named Man and fresh from 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.320 the seven Man and Many produced the first job. His 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.480 names like we don't know this guy? You know? Right? 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.360 It was a guy named Many, Yeah, you know, and 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:16.080 I Man like eleven or twelve. He started working on 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:17.760 my album with me, and he kind of helped me 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.320 put my songs together because before Manny, I was just 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.720 rapping run on song. It was like one long song. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.400 He was like, NA, little mag you gotta break it 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.840 down into verses and hooks and some structure, right. Yeah, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:34.160 so so many help you put the structure in your songs, right, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:39.440 and from there you you leave your records right, and 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.720 you signed with which was a Dallas based level, a 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.800 basic label. Your records was based out of Dallas. So 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:47.720 how did you make that connection? How do you get 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.480 to Dallas? Well, actually I never had been the Dallas 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.920 back then. I just knew that the label that Gregor 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.280 then Manifest was owned was in Dallas. So the guys 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.400 who ran it were actually one of them had a 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.120 condo in New Orleans. And I basically begged my parents 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.640 to let me sign this contract, and they had to 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.760 sign it because I was a minor, but they signed 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.680 it with conditions. My parents were like, Yo, if your 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.320 grades go down, this is over with. If my son's 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.520 grades go down, this is out the way. So I 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.760 had to have straight as straight a's in school, and 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:20.680 you know I had to go in the studio. That 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.440 was that was my payment for being able for my parents. No, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.000 I think I may have said damn one time on 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.240 nah in fact, that you're ready for this. They had 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.160 a song on my first album called gainst the Group. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.640 It sounds like one of the songs on Ghetto on 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.840 on your first on your first album. Back then, I 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.440 got the whole little concept from what you'all was doing, 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.960 and so I wanted to do me against the type song. 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.920 And I'm twelve years old, but I think I might 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:56.160 have said no, man, it was scratching, damn need rootless 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:00.240 on the song. Yeah, that was it for man. No, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.800 because man, it was crashing, goddamned rootless. So it sounds 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.960 like Many help bring you to No Limit? Because no, no, no, 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.520 Many that many signed with cash right, Many moved over there. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.120 So why didn't you move with to cash money with Many? 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.800 Or did you do your deal with No Limit? First? Well, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.840 I was, I was working with cash Money around nineties six. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.760 I was. I think I did a Verse on b 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.160 GS Chop the City album like in nineties seven or whatnot, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.880 and I was working around them, and I really was 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:33.760 just trying to fill out who I was going to 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.440 be with. And I eventually chose No Limit because I 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.920 felt I was gonna stand out more at No Limit 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.360 with my style versus with you know, all of the 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.080 artists they had on the label, and I pretty much 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.720 um knew everybody had no limit except P. Did you 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.679 originally signed with the group five one five four boards 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.040 or did you signed as a solo actor? I signed 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.520 as a solo artist. The Fire with Full Boards project 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.080 came out about a week or a couple of weeks 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.320 after my arrest. But I had already did songs for 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.360 the album, right, so I signed with him as a 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.320 solo artist. In like ninety seven, I signed with no 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:19.040 lem So you get arrested in two thousand one day 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.440 in two thousands, you get arrested in two thousands, You 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.520 get sentenced in two thousand one for manslaughter for a 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.880 crime that you did not commit. Ample evidence that you 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:35.680 didn't get, ample witnesses who testified may gave statements that 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.600 you did not commit the crime. Yet you're forced to 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.640 have your freedom taken away from you and stripped of 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:52.120 your dignity. Um, why why? Why was the state of 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:58.120 Louisiana so adamant about keeping you behind bars? All right? 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:04.120 So I believe it was a It was multifaceted. I 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.559 think it was a combination of things. I don't think 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:12.760 it was personal, yet it was sense. It was people. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.800 That's that's testifying for you, and writing the judge letters 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.880 and and saying and somebody even came clean and said 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.439 that he did it, and they still kept behind bars. No, man, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.600 that's personally right, right, That's why I said it was 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.040 personally yet not. I mean, it wasn't personally yet it was. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.160 And I think what happened was this. I think it 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.200 was a situation where it was a perfect storm. I 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.800 got caught in a um. I got caught in a 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:41.440 bond at the right time, but the wrong the right time, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.840 with the wrong players involved. And I think that there 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:49.160 were I think it was I was used as an 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.960 example in that parish because the same time, the parish 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:57.160 was like a very rural, a very conservative area at 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:03.000 that time. And in fact, David Duke was the chairman 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.400 I think of their Republican committee at the time at 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.320 the time of my arrest. When what was he the 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:13.880 governor of Louisiana. Oh, he never won. He ran um 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.120 and um. And I'd like to get my facts right, 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:17.880 so I do know that he was, was it the 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.839 chairman of the committee or yeah? I think he was 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.600 the chairman of the republic committee at the time whenever 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.600 my arrest, and it was very conservative, very conservative, every 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.320 which is you know, I you know that's neither here 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.800 nor there. But I think at the time when they investigated, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:38.800 I believe that they moved too fast without all of 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.320 the facts. So once you move because you felt you 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.559 had this figure that was going to bring media attention 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.640 and all of this stuff involved, you moved on it 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.000 without investigating. And I think one of the issues I 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.080 have a problem with dealing with African Americans, particularly um, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.120 those of us that have a little notoriety, is I 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:07.760 think that they be held bent on um they arrest 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.840 before they investigate instead of investigating and then arresting. So 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.800 I think they arrested me before they had all the 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.120 effects in order. And then what you do is put 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:24.320 yourself into position to try to create facts to line 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.240 up against this person that you have and custoded. I 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.360 don't know if if that's a if that answers your question. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:36.480 So so that's the non personal side. What's the personal side? 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.319 The personal side is there could have been an agenda 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.880 at that time against no limit. Yeah, that's what it was. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.000 The thing is this, like every independent black record, black 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:54.720 owned record label, we had a we we've always been fighting, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.640 you know, law enforcement, you know. Uh. And if you 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.240 ask me, it's it's it's just jealousy. It's it's it's 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:11.800 a hate that we escaped. Right. They hate you because 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.480 you escaped the rules that were set for you, the 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.120 traps that were set for you in in in in 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.720 in the beginning, like you're not supposed to be successful. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.520 You are not supposed to be driving this car in 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.960 this neighborhood and be black, all right, You're not supposed 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.800 to be that. With that said, go ahead with it, mac, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.200 walk us through that day, okay. So it's I mean, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.360 from from the time that you opened your eyes that 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:42.680 day two the time that you were arrested, tell us 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:47.000 what so and what did they say? You did? Go ahead? Okay, 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.520 they said, Um, I'm gonna give you what. I'm gonna 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.480 give you what they said happened. And I'm gonna tell 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.440 you what that all right? From according to them, a 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.360 fight broke out on the dance flow in this club, 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.640 and I shot a young man, you know. And and 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.640 let me say that the true victim in this is 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.640 that young man's family. I want to I want to 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:16.000 I want to make sure I reiterate that because you know, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.960 at the end of the day. This was a grieving 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:23.040 family who lost their love one. Um Now did they did? 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.240 They think you did it? Well, they were left with 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.000 a choice. You know, you had something. You have people 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.360 telling them, people saying that I didn't do it, but 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.200 you had the law enforcement, who people typically trust, saying 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.840 he did. And how how hard did they fight to 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.080 uphold that sentence. Well, they fought. They fought, They fought 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:51.680 as much as they could. You know, I'm the family 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.720 because I know the law enforcement. I mean, you know, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.920 I know the tradicial system. There were certain people in 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.920 the family that that were at admit that, no, we 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.680 don't want him to get out, and you know, and 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.600 and and I don't. I don't. UM, I don't knock 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.200 them for that, because this is a grieving family. You hurt, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.720 and then when you don't know all of the facts 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.920 and you weren't a witness to it, you know, so 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.280 you're just going off of what the law enforcement the 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.080 picture they have painted. And I understand that because I mean, 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.240 you know, hurt when you're hurt, and you know, that's 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.160 just that's just just the way it where it is. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.400 And I want to create that again, reiterate that again, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.680 that they were the true victims in this because they 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.440 lost their loved one. Now as far as me, I 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.160 woke up that morning. We had just came back from 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.720 I think I had a few shows in Mississippi and 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.480 in Las Vegas. I came home, my mom told me 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.960 that she had this event. She wanted me to go 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:48.080 to out there and slide down. So we go. We 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:52.240 get there. It wasn't really particularly my type of place. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:57.400 It was kind of a small, smaller club, and she 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.640 wanted me to hear a few of the artists that 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.040 were pharming because at the time and my mom had 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.280 started me my mom my business partner. We had started 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.359 our own label, so she had a few guys she 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.240 wanted to hear, and we we sat in there for 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:17.120 a while, and some time around after midnight, a fight 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.520 broke out between a young man that was in there 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.480 and some of the people who was with me, and 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.760 I was standing talking to a young lady. Two young 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.840 ladies in there, and a guy, and I was like 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:36.080 signing autographs, taking pictures, and I noticed some of them. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.879 I noticed one of my partners like standing in the 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.679 middle of a shoving match, and when I took a 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.159 step towards it to see what was going on. I 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.600 heard a gunshot. Now, mind you, it's dark in here, 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.399 lights a flashing, the music is loud, a lot of bass, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.199 so I hear a gunshot, and initially I don't if 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.760 I even thought it was a gunshot because the music 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.080 was so loud. So I remember once I realized I 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.119 saw people running, I grabbed the young lady who was 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.840 next to me, and I pulled her down to the 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.600 ground and I told her, don't run until you see 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.120 what these shots are coming from. Something like that. So 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.320 while we were on the ground, I told us stay here. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.840 When I got up, I grabbed him, I grabbed us, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.680 and then once I grabbed us, another friend of ours 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.840 named Daryl grabbed me and it kind of shielded me, 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.199 and we ran towards the front door looking for my 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.480 mom because my mom was at the front door collecting 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:40.159 the money. So the mistake I made was as I 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.680 was running towards the front door, I pulled my gun 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.040 out there. I didn't know as we as we running 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.560 towards the front door, I pulled my gun out because 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.480 I didn't know if I was in fact the target 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.600 of the shooting. I don't know who shooting I don't 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.720 know where it's coming from, and my just out of defense, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.919 I pulled mine out and kind of ran through the 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.800 crowd with it in the air because I didn't want 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.800 to bump into somebody and have the gun goals. So 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.120 I'm running through there like the police with a gun 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:08.840 in my hand, looking for my mom, like, yo, where 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.520 my mama? Where my mama? And I think at that 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:17.080 point is where witnesses saw me with a gun after 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.639 not at the time, I didn't know if someone was 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.400 shot yet, mind you, I didn't know if someone was shot. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.399 I didn't see if anyone was shot, and I left. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.080 We left out the club, I went home. So as 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.600 I get home, the guy who was babysitting my house, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.560 sitting my younger brothers, he was like, Slim, the people 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:39.800 just called here and said they need to question you 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.480 about the shooting. At that moment is when I found 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.160 out somebody actually got shot. Once I made it home, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.000 because when I left out of there, I didn't see 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.159 anybody on the ground. All I saw with people running 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.160 and moving. So he told me that man, they want 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.520 to question you about the shooting. I'm like okay, So 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.200 I go in the house and um it wasn't. But 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.560 a couple of minute later police had surrounded my my 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.440 whole house. Man, they're coming from the backyard from the front. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:10.120 They didn't block the streets off. And um, that gun 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.760 that you had had not been fired, never been fired, 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.880 So what the fund are they fucking with you? Okay, 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.640 that's a good point. That's a good point. Their excuse 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.440 in court was because I gave him this gun. They 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.760 tested it, They tested my hands. The gun pod of 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:34.000 tests came up missing, like we couldn't Yeah, they couldn't 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.600 remember what a gun polyotest. We don't. They don't know 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.320 what that's at. So we never got a chance to 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:42.400 get that. And here's a situation where the actual accused 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.879 is axing for the gun polo test. Normally, you know 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.200 the accuses. I want to get the gun pologist. I'm 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.919 trying to find it because I'm feeling like it's gonna right. 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.120 So we couldn't find a gun polotist. They tested all 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.320 my guns. They established in court that they were not fired. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.920 Their staffed. It's that part. But so how you this 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.320 is the theory they gave to the jewelry. They said 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:11.040 that they found another gun case at my house to 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.760 an alleged missing gun. They created this idea of a 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.760 missing gun for the jewelry, and they said I had 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:23.560 enough time in between Slyde, Louisiana and Baton Rouge, which 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.440 is about forty five minutes. They said I had enough 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.760 time to get rid of a weapon. So they never 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.440 found a weapon. They just said that I had enough 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.720 time to get rid of a weapon. You got theory. 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.160 Let me ask you a question. So you get rid 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.919 of a weapon that she was holding up right, and 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.760 clearly they saw that weapon and I gave it to him, 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:49.800 and you gave it to him, right. And oh they 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.800 had cameras in the club that came up missing too. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.880 Oh yeah, yeah, you know they had all that. Yeah, 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.520 And they just wanted to get you, yea. And for 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.720 them to keep you in jail for twenty years behind 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.879 some you didn't do, right, man. And what was what 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:10.520 was even crazier It was their expert witness, their so 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:16.520 called expert witness, I don't understand and said, and I quote, um, 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.440 we don't use what is the name of gunpowder test 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.719 paraphin tests I think or something like that. They called him. 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.240 They said, we don't use him in Louisiana they're unreliable. 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.159 He actually said this in court, that we don't use 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:34.080 gun polo tests in Louisiana because they're unreliable. And I 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.200 wonder how that would sound to the hundreds or even 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:41.720 thousands of guys that they have convicted using gun politests 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.960 residue tests, But he had They actually said that in 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.119 court because I guess they wanted to cover up for 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.879 the fact or for the idea that we would have 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.080 found the gun politest they once already established that that's unreliable. 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.720 The guy who came forward came forward ten days after 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.399 my arrest and he told him that, look, I'm the 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.400 one who did it. And here's why. This was my 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.479 my aunt's boyfriend at the time, my aunt's aunt fiance 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.680 at the time, and they got kids together. But you know, 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.280 he came forward on his own, just really feeling guilt 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.000 because a person that he considered his nephew was sitting 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.040