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Speaker 1: Phipps a k A. Mac, what's happening? What's happened to man?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Welcome to the same old place that you

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Speaker 1: but we hung around. Who they need you. Yeah, right here,

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Speaker 1: Well come back, wasn't at your boy played? Yeah? Freddy

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Speaker 1: boom boom Washington? Yeah, Mac man, Man, it's good to

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Speaker 1: see you. Man, you boy. You're a hell of a fighter. Man,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's take it all the way back. Let's

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Speaker 1: go back to third Ward, New Orleans. All right, how

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Speaker 1: was that light growing up in Third Ward? I mean, um, actually,

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Speaker 1: I think with every family you have, you know, drugs

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Speaker 1: So I believe it was a It was multifaceted. I

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Speaker 1: And the sheriff has been convicted of some wild stuff

428
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: man like like rape and and stuff like, Oh good

429
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: for him. Throughout America, the judicial system is totally corrupt

430
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: and it's biased against black people. But Louisiana has a

431
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: special place for for bias and and and corruption in

432
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: law enforcement and the judicial system. It's totally I mean,

433
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: it's a different level of corruption. And I think these

434
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: bastards needs to be exposed. What's his name was, Walter

435
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Read Walter Ree? You low down, dirty bastard. You know,

436
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: people gotta know, man, People seriously, people gotta know, bro,

437
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: because this this is not right. Man. What do they

438
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: destroy people's lives and they don't even get punished for it? Man, Like,

439
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: it's no there's no like retribution for them. Uh. And

440
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they get caught with their

441
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: hand in the cookie jar, they won't even apologize. They

442
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: will just keep it going. You Let's okay, let's say

443
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: this would be the honorable thing to do. Let's say

444
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm a d A and and you know, I want

445
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: to get this guy because I think he did it.

446
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: Once I received evidence that says Otherwise, the honorable thing

447
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: to do, the respectable thing to do, the thing to

448
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: do that would help uh keep maintain uh confidence in

449
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: the judicial system, would be for me to let this

450
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: guy go because I'm trying to keep the streets safe.

451
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: I mean, as a prosecutor, your number one job is

452
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: public safety. That is your number one job. How in

453
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: the hell is it public safety convicting innocent people and

454
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: putting them in jail? You know that ship just it's

455
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: just really pisces me off. And he's not by himself.

456
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: That's a whole system that allows something to get away

457
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: with this, that does this. The government is a part

458
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: of it. Though they said it was cool to do

459
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: that to black people. They made that rule. That rule

460
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: was made by the government. Bro. It's just it's it's

461
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: not just the state of Louisiana, the state of Texas.

462
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the entire country. The entire country has

463
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: a personal vendetta against black people. I don't know if

464
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're all aware of this, but

465
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: there is a law right now, um that guys where

466
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: I just came from in the prison a state, uh

467
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: state along in Louisiana. They just they just made it

468
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: unlawful to be convicted without a unanimous jewelry. Right now,

469
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: Louisiana was one of two states that still was allowing

470
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: capital offenses to be convicted without a unanimous jewelry. And

471
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: what happened was we proved and in the language it

472
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: was overturned because it was written for racial uh with

473
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: racial intentions at the time. This Yet they don't want

474
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: to make it retroactive. They right, it's like for everybody

475
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: that convicted does fall you know from this point, it's

476
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: like you made you you change this law because of

477
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: how it affected people in the past. But you don't

478
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: want to want to retroact to get the guy. You

479
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: just want to do it from because people like see murder,

480
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: he would get out right because he was convicted, would

481
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: attend to to jury just like me. And what was

482
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: the racial makeup of your jury? All white got as

483
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: They haven't even been a time in American history where

484
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: all black jury has I don't know even just judge,

485
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: not that I can even think, I know, I'm gonna,

486
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on the limits, say not, Like

487
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: who in their right mind thinks that that is cool

488
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: for an all white jury to judge a black person

489
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: or any person that's other than white who thinks that's cool.

490
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: A jury of your peers should be just that, the

491
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: jury of your peers, people who come from who share

492
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: the same ethnicity, who come from the same background that

493
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: you have, and even the same social class that you have,

494
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: because there are rich people who can't identify with people

495
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: that are poor. You saying something, You're just saying something.

496
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: Most of my jurors were not, even in my age,

497
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: were insensitive to your situation period. Okay, many, many, many

498
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: of your jurors are all I would say, I would

499
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: take a risk and say all of them that all

500
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: of them probably were indoctrinated to look at you as

501
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: the enemy anyway, So you know, what's the difference. What

502
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: is the difference if we convict this guy and throw

503
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: his life away and take them away from his family?

504
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Why why you were gone? I want to ask you this,

505
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Who in your family that was close to you that

506
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: you lost? Anybody died that was close to a lot

507
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: of a lot of friends died. You know, I had

508
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: some older family members, but as far as in my

509
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: immediate family, we all still here. Watched a lot of

510
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the I had the whole I had to later and

511
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: let guys crown on my shoulder who lost their moms

512
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: come everything, man, And then they don't have to they

513
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: don't have a d C to let them out to

514
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: go to the funerals either. Know, well, see what they

515
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: was doing now, man, it's crazy something they're doing like

516
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: virtual funerals. Now you get to see it on the

517
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: screen rather than even going into the funeral. And it's

518
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: it's just basically taking the personal. You know, it's taking

519
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: the person that personal goodbye. Yeah, it's get off of guys,

520
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, because you family is really for the guys

521
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: in prison. What I've noticed without family support, man, I

522
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: watched a lot of guys just break down. Man. You know,

523
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: so people out there that's listening, if you've got family

524
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: members in prison, man support them. I mean even if

525
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: not even not all the time sending the money, man,

526
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: just letting them know that you know they exist and

527
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: that you care, because I know, for me, it's what

528
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: carried me through. You know, my mom she didn't know

529
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: what to do when I first got arrest of my

530
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: parents and do with my mom just started. She's an artist,

531
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: so she started painting portraits of guys who she felt

532
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: wrongfully convicted. She did mine, and she just contact for

533
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: your mom because I want to get some of those pictures.

534
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: I want to buy some of those pictures. I'm building

535
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: a studio. That would be that's that's a great idea.

536
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: She didn't know what else to generally send it to

537
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: me first. That's why I don't. That's why we don't.

538
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't like this, dude. That would be great, man,

539
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: she did, because you know, we could do some big

540
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: things with this. Really think about the n f T S.

541
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: We could really do something big. But that's somebody's likeness.

542
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Will you can't use that what you're talking about somebody's

543
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna work with the people the images like however,

544
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna make sure everybody get broke off. Yeah, So

545
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: that that's what that's that was her thing. She didn't

546
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: know what to do something really always talk about money,

547
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: bro she told she told her this money right now. Yeah,

548
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: and she basically told the story to anybody who would

549
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: listen at that time. And eventually it started gaining momentum

550
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: and you know, bigger media outlets took on it and

551
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: then um, you know, it was it was that support

552
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: from her and my dad. They visited me like every

553
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: two weeks, no matter where I went, no matter what

554
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: prison I went to, they was there. And eventually I

555
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: met my wife. She came about nine years ago and

556
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: we've been rocking like that ever since. And my brothers

557
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: and sisters, my siblings and all of them, they all

558
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: just with my friends, we all had a lot of support.

559
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people that that assisted me in

560
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: carrying my head up the way I did, you know,

561
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: because I think if I would have been alone, I

562
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: don't know if I had been able to handle it

563
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: by myself. O. Man, they gave you something for nothing. Bro,

564
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: you ain't did ship and pause for the cause of

565
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: just saluting everybody that supported you, Ineed. I'm gonna tell

566
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: you something, man, you were very very fortunate to not

567
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: lose any immediate family members. Twenty years. That's a long time,

568
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: you know. You know with that at any point, I

569
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: know you had a lot of support, But at any

570
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: point did you think about giving up? No, I couldn't.

571
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I couldn't. I mean

572
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: from the moment, and I don't say this in the

573
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: cliche saying well i'm i'm I'm, I'm telling you the

574
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: real like you know, I went from the moment I

575
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: was in there, I was like, yo, I gotta get

576
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: out of here. So while people was on the streets

577
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: working to get me out, I felt that I had

578
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: to do my part and work from the inside to

579
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: get out, to take all of the programs I can take,

580
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: and to you know, better better myself in whatever way

581
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: is I need to do it so be prepared for

582
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: any opportunity that came forward. So, in fact, I got

583
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: out because of one of those opportunities. I made myself. Um,

584
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: I made myself basically available for mentorship. I did a

585
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: lot of serve community service in a prison, and I

586
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: just was a part of anything that was helping others.

587
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: And as a result, when it was the opportunity to

588
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: get Clemenson and parole came up, I was giving it.

589
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: So I knew the whole time that I was there

590
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: that I was gonna get out. I believe that I I

591
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: was gonna get out every year, Like I was like,

592
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out this year. It's gonna be the year.

593
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: So your conviction wasn't overturned, Yeah, I'm on parole. Come on.

594
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: In fact, I had to get permission to be out

595
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: in Houston. Are you gonna pursue like like a monetary

596
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: settlement in this situation, Well, what I would first had

597
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: when we're first trying to do, get in the compensation

598
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: as if I get exonerated, because as of now, I'm

599
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: still a convicted felon, but I'm still I still have

600
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: like nine years on parole and so and so they

601
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: have monetary incentives to not parole, I mean, to not

602
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, pardon you, to not exonerate you, because if

603
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: they do, they know you're coming with a lawsuit and

604
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: they know you they're gonna have to pay for it.

605
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, you gotta have some cold blooded lawyers

606
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: and some cold blooded representation. But I also think that

607
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: you need to take your fight to the public. The

608
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: public needs to know because if it's under the table

609
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: like we don't know, like we can't help you, like

610
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we can. You can have your

611
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: your your your core support and all that stuff, but

612
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: public sentiment goes a long way, and I think you

613
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: can This is one of those cases that could be

614
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: used as basically, like uh, you know, as a as

615
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: a template you know too, you know, for some type

616
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: of not just not just retribution in terms of monetary

617
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: but but also some type of reform. Are you involved

618
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: in any type of reform right? Well, there's one of

619
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: the bills that I'm actually supporting right now is from

620
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: I think it's as a representative from Louisiana, from from

621
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: my area. He's supporting a bill that gives parole to

622
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: lifeless all across the board, because there is no life

623
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: with parole law in Louisiana. Like when they give you

624
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: natural life in Louisiana, they mean life. Ain't no parole

625
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: for like, there's no life for parole. They passed the

626
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: law a couple of years ago where they're giving guys

627
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: who were convicted as juveniles, they're giving them opportunity to

628
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: get parole after twenty five years. But as far as

629
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: if you're not, if you weren't convicted as a juvenile,

630
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: there is no life with parole in Louisiana. Is strictly

631
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: across the board without parole, our life. Um, yeah, yeah,

632
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: I think it's yeah. So that's that's something that's indeed,

633
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: that's something I'm all supporting. I'm also supporting the bill

634
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: that um to to retroact Um, the tender the tender

635
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: to the United Unanimates jeury. I'm definitely supporting that, and

636
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: and there's some other things that are you know, I've

637
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: been discussing with different UM politicians and UM in in

638
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: New Orleans in particular because I'm not from St. Samity

639
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: Parish where my crime occurred. I'm from New Orleans. But

640
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: we're trying to get some stuff past in the state

641
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: to try to help all of the guy where decline occurred. Yeah,

642
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: whether the crime good, point where the crime occurred. So

643
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: I'm definitely UM, I'm definitely I've definitely been a part

644
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: of the reform effort. That's what I say, because I

645
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: don't want this to happen anybody. And I see UM there.

646
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: I think recently in New York they're trying to they're

647
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: pushing for a bill to stop song lyrics from being

648
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: used against you in court because the lyrics to my

649
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: song Murder, Murder, Kill Kill, was actually used against me

650
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: in court. They what they the way they used it, it

651
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: it was, it was slick. How the d A did it.

652
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: He basically said he can't use it as actual evidence

653
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: because my lawyer was objecting that. So what he did

654
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: was said he was trying to establish it. Um established

655
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: my character basically, show how this man talks about murder

656
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: and about killing. And that was the grounds it was

657
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: allowed in court on that, not as actual evidence, but

658
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 1: he used yeah, the pain the character of me, no

659
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: different than he would have somebody step up on the

660
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: witness stand and say this is his character, right, And

661
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: this this man actually said in it. And I was like, man,

662
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: it blowed my mind. He was like, ladies and gentle

663
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: with the jury, help me move or help me remove

664
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: the camouflage from this assassin. So because one of my

665
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: monicas in the song was camouflage assassin. So I'm sitting

666
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: there looking at it, listening to my music. So I'm like, man,

667
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: this dude is good. I'm in my mind I might

668
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: have said, how you him? Because this dude basically is

669
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: painting his picture to the jewelry and then and the

670
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: prosecutor and they're eating it up, and I'm just like,

671
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: he's in jail them. No, the d eight went to prison.

672
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: He's out now, not the prosecutor. D A actually went.

673
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: But it was it was nefarious. Of course, he had

674
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: nothing else to he he had nothing else to go on.

675
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't have a criminal record. I don't

676
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: have any I never got in trouble, so he didn't

677
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: have anything to go on. So he basically had to

678
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: go to my music it and he went through it

679
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: and he found anywhere. He actually walked past my lawyer

680
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: with a folder like this thick, and he said, he

681
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: basically told my lawyer, if you put him on the stand,

682
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: I got him because I got both of his albums

683
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: right here. Anything he said on these albums, he was

684
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: gonna bring it up in court. So when you put

685
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: on the stand. No, my lawyer actually told me. And

686
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: I think it was a decision. I made the decision,

687
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think it was a good one. He

688
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: basically told me that he didn't think I should get

689
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: understand and he told me his reasons why. And because

690
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: I was young, I didn't know the law, I took

691
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: his advice. I'm paying you, I'm I'm expecting you know

692
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. So I didn't get understand. I

693
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: think I should have. But you know, it's that's very

694
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: very tricky, and I you know, most lawyers would tell

695
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: you do not testify. You know in your own case.

696
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: It's very very tricky. Expency the thing is that you

697
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: don't have the secret sauce. You don't have white tears. See,

698
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: if you have white tears, man, ship, you can get

699
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: on stage and you can don't understand I'm saying stage,

700
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: but it's pretty much you can say whatever you want

701
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: to say. Man, Man, look man say man. No matter

702
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: what that case is, no matter what the evidence is against,

703
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: they could have video footage of it and everything. If

704
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: you white, bro, you can cry, bro, and somebody gonna

705
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: connect somebody in that jewelry, that white jewelry gonna connect

706
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: to them white tears, man, because it's something about the

707
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: white tears, and white tears is evidence of innocence, I'm saying.

708
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they I know exactly is something

709
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: going on. It's like them dawn, white tears and something else. Bro,

710
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you at because the way I

711
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of here's my perception. My perception is, I don't

712
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: think that most people are racist, but I do think

713
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: that most people are prejudiced, because I think that most

714
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: people pre judge, and when you already have a preconceived

715
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: idea of what you think a person is, the damage

716
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: is done before it even starts. I think the trial

717
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: was finished. Because I believe that many of the Jewelry

718
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: members already had a certain way I appeared to them,

719
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: and for whatever reasons, because I try to be as

720
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: objective as possible, but for whatever reasons, I think they

721
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: already saw me a certain way. And because they did,

722
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: if you cannot stop that from affecting the way they

723
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: passed their judgment. You know that the the lawyers are

724
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: gonna say, and the judge is gonna say, listen, judge

725
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: this basically on the facts, don't do this. Don't But

726
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's unrealistic. It's just like the things that

727
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: are d a blurred out in the court and then

728
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: your lawyer to say objection and to say forget what

729
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: you just heard. You can't make these people forget what

730
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: they just heard. I think all people are prejudiced. I mean,

731
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: I think I think we all prejudge everybody to an

732
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: extent right. But the danger is when you are using

733
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: that prejudgment to convict and ruin people's lives, you know,

734
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: put people in jail, get people killed. That's when it

735
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: becomes dangerous. And that's when we have to at at

736
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: some point as a human like like like dig down

737
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: and inside of you for that human emotion that tells

738
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: you to be objective. This is a human being, a

739
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: person whose life is going to be affected by the

740
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: decision that I make. And as a human being, I

741
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: don't care what your race is, your ethnicity, your background,

742
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: your class. I don't want that on my conscious. I

743
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: don't want to convict an innocent person. You know, as

744
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: much as I hate these dirty ass Confederate white folks,

745
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: as much as I hate them, I would not I

746
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: would not want it on my conscious that I just

747
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: convicted a white person of something. That is because just

748
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: because I have a I asked against these type of

749
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: white people, right, I asked the ground against these type

750
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: of weapons. I would not just say he white, just

751
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: like all the rest of I'm gonna ruin their life

752
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: if I get a chance. That's not me. I'm not

753
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: built like that man. And I think that's just some dirty,

754
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: low down ship and they don't get a pass for

755
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: being prejudiced, right, And I think I think that's because

756
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: that that's just your heart, that shows who you are

757
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: as a person. And I mean, any any person what

758
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: a good moral compass is not gonna want that because

759
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: we want for others what we want for ourselves, and

760
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: I think what what One of the issues I believe

761
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: the part that the community plays is these I think

762
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: we have these false um expectations of our community leaders.

763
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: Like a lot of these d a's and sheriffs or whatnot,

764
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: they're voted by the people, and they all they have

765
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: expectations by whoever is the majority in their districts. And

766
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, they have this persona, we're tough on crime

767
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: where you know where where X, y and z. But

768
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: it's like, man, at some point, you have to be

769
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: a human being and make a good make good judgment

770
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: based because I'm with you at that because people without

771
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: more flexibility scared the hell out of me. You know.

772
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: These are the people that like, oh, you know, I

773
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: would never and then they find themselves a family member

774
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then they never. Right, it's

775
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: and that's and that's what I think it boils down to.

776
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: I think that we just we have to because a

777
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: lot of those d a's, and this is not excuse

778
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: for them. They have pressure from the community. Oh you

779
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: got to be tough. We don't want that in our community.

780
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: So now they're feeling neither. I'm gonna get this conviction

781
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: no matter what. So it's it's it's almost like it's

782
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: just a demon seed planet or something, and it's just

783
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: spiles around, you know, spials right, everybody's partaking in it.

784
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: You know. Tough phone crime. When I hear spoken, it's

785
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: tough owned black people. That's what that is. That's cold

786
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: for tough on black people, because we already know we've

787
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: seen many many cases where white people do some of

788
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: the most egregious things ever and just they slide like

789
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: the Jackson fly I mean, he slash moved out the

790
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: court room just like you know, let me look at

791
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: that tape. Woman. Remember the woman who killed all our kids,

792
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: Andrea Yates. Yeah, Andrea Yates drowned six of her kids, man,

793
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: and they sent it to a mental house pitifore ye,

794
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: and she back at the house kicking it. You know.

795
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: The woman who ran over her husband and stuff and

796
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: they let her skate. You know, Like I mean, here's

797
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: so many cases of this, like these type of things

798
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: the pretty much never happened to black people in the

799
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: judicial system. I mean, and I say this with with

800
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: all objectivity, stand your ground laws don't work for us,

801
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: you know what they don't. It's like there wasn't because

802
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: they wasn't made for us. Man, the law doesn't work

803
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: for us because it was not made. It was not

804
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: put in place with us in mind. The law. Andrew

805
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: Jackson said out of his mouth that this is a

806
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: white man's country with white man laws, and it always

807
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: will be as long as I'm president or whatever, it's

808
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna stay like that. That's what Andrew Jackson said. The law. Yeah,

809
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: the laws were made to have us to have a

810
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: certain structure for society at large. Right, And so this

811
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: is why when you look at the laws, that's so

812
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: much latitude that they give judges. Right, they can said

813
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: judging in some cases give you anything from they could

814
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: let you go. Sometimes they can give you probation if

815
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: a jury is sentencing you, or they can give you

816
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: a life sentence, or they can give you a life sentence.

817
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: And then what does it call when they defer that sentence,

818
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: where you know, they'll say, okay, you do a year

819
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: of probation or whatever, and then we're gonna we're gonna

820
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: throw the sentence, not they going to vacate the sentence

821
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, and suspended, yes, suspended sentences. They can

822
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: do so much. They have so much lattitude. These judges

823
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: have too much power. Let me say that judges have

824
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: too much power, way too much power. Prosecute d A

825
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: s d as have too much power. When you can

826
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: walk into a room of a few people and you

827
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: can put a case in front of people that could

828
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: possibly ruin somebody's lives or change the trajectory of somebody's life,

829
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: and and and you get to present all the evidence

830
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: and sway it however you want to and tell the

831
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: jury not these are the rules that you have to

832
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: look at this evidence spot and the person that you're

833
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to get an indictment on, they don't have

834
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: any representation in that room, but you do. Is like

835
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: it's it's totally messed up the whole process. It's regged,

836
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: it's rigged, and it's biased, and it's all it's all

837
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: too um give certain people breaks and and and to

838
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: punish others. These laws. When you look at these laws,

839
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: they're designed to protect some and to punish others. And

840
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: and I think that was because and not to cut

841
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: you all, but I think that was because at that time,

842
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if the forefathers or whoever wrote these laws,

843
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: saw what the country would look like today. And I

844
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 1: think that where we do um where we go wrong.

845
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm speaking of society as a whole

846
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: when we uphold things that were written at this time

847
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: just because it was written in history and we're trying

848
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: to honor the forefalls. What the forefathers didn't see the

849
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: country the way it is. They didn't know that the

850
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Africans that they brought over here, we're gonna eventually be free.

851
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: They didn't know that society was gonna eventually be h

852
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: this type of assimilation that we have or this this

853
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: melting pot that we all. They didn't see that. So

854
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: I think that the law is now, the law should

855
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: reflect the way the way the country is now. And

856
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: I think the only way that can happen is if

857
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: we can get the majority of the people to see

858
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: things that way, to see it, like Yo, we need

859
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: to not revisit just like they did in Louisiana, LB it.

860
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: They didn't retroact it, but they actually overturned that law

861
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: because they said that law was specifically written in the

862
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: language to make sure that if a black man was

863
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: on trial or black person was on trial, they would

864
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: never have enough, um that all it would take was

865
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: tend people to convict them, right, and they would never

866
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: let more than two blacks in the jury, so that's

867
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: all you needed. And then if it was a white

868
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: person on trial, they would never have more than uh

869
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: two blacks senates, so they couldn't they wouldn't have the

870
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: power to convict them. They specifically said this in the

871
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: language of the law, and because so it was overturned.

872
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: My my problem with it is why you don't retroact

873
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: it so it can affect the people that that has

874
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: been affected by all these years. But I think that

875
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: if we take that approach to all of the laws

876
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: that are biased in that way, I think that we

877
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: can change society. Yeah, I think that you're absolutely right,

878
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: But I do want to make a a distinction here

879
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 1: about you know, well, the forefathers of this country were

880
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: some low down, racist, dirty, connive, and thieve and corrupt motherfucker's.

881
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I need to go on record and say that. So

882
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: when you say we that's fine. But I never liked

883
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's. I never liked them. I never like their

884
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: mamas and dadd is. I don't like their grandpathers and

885
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: grand manners. I don't like none of their children period.

886
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: Fuck them the long way, fuck them, because if not

887
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: for what they did, then you don't have this type

888
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: of country in the first place. With all of these

889
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: this bias and this systemic racism, which really keeps us

890
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: at odds because really we have more in common than

891
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: we have differences, all of us. I'm talking about straight

892
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: across the board, all of us. We have more in

893
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: common than we have differences. But what we wake up

894
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: every day thinking about this fucking race shit. Every day

895
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: it's this it's this racial ship and its classism. That's

896
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: what we're fighting over every day. Racism and classism. Racism

897
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: the first of all. At least classism is something that

898
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: that that you can control to an extent, because it's

899
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: really a lot has to do with your grind. But

900
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: racism like like like we wake up, we're born the

901
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: way we we are. We can't help we can't take

902
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: credit for the way our skin color. We wake up

903
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: and we're like, you know what I'm listening, It's like, motherfucker,

904
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: you didn't. You're not responsible for that, you know what

905
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you're not responsible for your looks. You're

906
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: any of that, but like, go out and do something, motherfucker,

907
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: achieve something, accomplished something, and then you can tell me

908
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: how proud you are about this and that or whatever.

909
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: You know, But I think that, But it's it's that,

910
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: It's that, it's those people. It's people out there that

911
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: they have to keep the race ship going, to keep

912
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: us distracted and keep us confused, because if they don't,

913
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: then we all gonna wake up and say, nah, motherfucker

914
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: you motherfucker's are really the ones, and we can then

915
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: go out of these motherfucker's, who are they? Members of Congress,

916
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: your local politicians, uh, your your your your your, your

917
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: congressmen and women, your senators, your your representatives, your city

918
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: council members, the gatekeepers, they're the ones. They're are the ones.

919
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: These motherfucker's are riding to the car. You know when

920
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: I when I ran for city council, you know, it

921
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: was the gatekeepers that looked like me that seemed to

922
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: have a bigger problem with me coming in and wanting

923
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: to do something for the people. There's some fucking gatekeepers, bro. Now,

924
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: why why do you think, why do you think the

925
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: ones that looked like us or the world, Why do

926
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: you think they had a problem with it. Well, they

927
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: they're jocking for position. Oh you're gonna try to take

928
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: my spot. Oh you're gonna expose something, cause I'm expose

929
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: the ashes. You know, I ain't gonna let it go down.

930
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna do if I got the juice, I

931
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: got the power to do something about it. You ain't

932
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna do my people dirty. So and oh yeah, I'm

933
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: gonna make him my people get a fair amount of

934
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: them damn contracts and ship Oh yeah, we're gonna get

935
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: all all that. I'm not. I'm not. And that's how

936
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: you supposed to be anyway. But they're sitting up in

937
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: there on their asses and getting just for them and

938
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: their people, their little friends, their little hustle group, and

939
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: they're making sure I can't let him in. He's gonna

940
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: try to miss with our stuff. He's gonna miss it

941
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: up for us, you see, and and these and yeah

942
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: and so a lot of times the other gatekeepers they

943
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: don't have to do nothing because you got the first

944
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: of all, get past your own, and you ain't gonna

945
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to get past the motherfucker's because they gonna

946
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna tea They're gonna team up on you, bro,

947
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: and so you're fighting. You're very you're fighting the uphill battle.

948
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, but it's one that I think any

949
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: honorable person just, you know, I would just say, you know,

950
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And you know, why not me?

951
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: If if I got to fight that out of that's

952
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: the battle line fight, I mean, I ain't. I ain't

953
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: scared the fight, you know. And I really and I

954
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: really have a personal sustain for bullies. I don't like bullies.

955
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: And a lot of these politicians family are bullies. They

956
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: got these suits so on and these fancy dresses and ship,

957
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 1: and they walk around here and they tell a little

958
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: fancy speeches, you know. They show up at the at

959
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: the at the at your grandma fifth it anniversary party,

960
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, and they show up at the graduation, They

961
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: show up for when somebody die, and they go in

962
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: and take the picture anytime the cameras around there. And

963
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: then that's enough to get them re elected. But you

964
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: can't name one thing that they did for the community

965
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: to change your life. You can't even name anything they've done.

966
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: We got so many people in office that looked like

967
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: us who ain't doing ship with that position all they're

968
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: doing is getting re elected and patting their pockets. Man,

969
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: it's a cold game. And that's say and I'm gonna

970
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: tell you and and and to just to comment on

971
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: what you said in a few minutes ago. It's like,

972
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you at this point in

973
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: human history because I always always sometimes take myself just

974
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: back and kind of look at the world from two

975
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: million miles away. At this point in history, racism don't

976
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: make any sense. It's like you, first of all, we

977
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: know too much too even we know too much now

978
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: number one and number two, there's no law against my race.

979
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: So I don't care if you're racist, You're you're stupid

980
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: fool because I look at like that's your laws. So

981
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna take my dollars and your stoke because

982
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm not your racist. So if I come to buy

983
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: something from you, you think you're not you're gonna do

984
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: you really think you're gonna tell me you don't want

985
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: my money? So sometimes it's like I just sometimes I

986
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: see people that are racist, and I'm just like, how

987
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: does that even benefit you in anyway? Yeah, because I

988
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: can you can't stop me from being successful, So what difference.

989
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: Like what I guess what I'm saying is like what

990
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: is what is the benefit of And I'm talking about individuals,

991
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: not systemic, but what is the benefit of your racism?

992
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: Like I think, I like, I think a lot of

993
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: times man at racism is just people. I think I

994
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: see racism as like an emotional crutch and this is

995
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: this is what I mean. Watch so emotional check this out.

996
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: So when we when we're when we are born and

997
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: we're raised and we we we grew up with certain

998
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: convictions in life, right, and there's certain things that create

999
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: fear in us. Uh, perhaps you grew up poor, Perhaps

1000
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: you grew up where your parents were abusive. Uh, maybe

1001
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: you had a girlfriend or a boyfriend that did your dirty.

1002
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: If you're racist, those people probably look like you, right,

1003
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: your parents, you know, your your your boyfriend, your girlfriend,

1004
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: because after all your real racist, so you don't be

1005
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: dating saturation. These people that give you your strongest convictions,

1006
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: your friend that betrayed you, it's probably your same color. Right,

1007
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: So these things give us the strong our strongest convictions.

1008
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: And if you got robbed by somebody, it's probably somebody

1009
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: looks like you. Somebody store your money, somebody owe your money.

1010
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: It's probably might look like you because you go along

1011
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: with somebody you know that you don't like, you know

1012
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: from another group, you know your money, right, So all

1013
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: of these things you know, really shape us and make

1014
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: us who we are and give us the strongest convictions

1015
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: that we have. So if you are really going to

1016
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: hate an entire group of people just based on their

1017
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: skin color, if you're gonna if you're gonna hate somebody,

1018
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: it really doesn't make sense because us the people who

1019
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: look like you are probably the ones who did you

1020
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: the dirtiest, the probably the ones who hurt you the most.

1021
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean personally, I'm not saying sitting back like, oh

1022
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't like them, Oh he said this? Who they

1023
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: said this about them? Now I'm talking about people who

1024
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: have You have personal connections, with personal life experiences with

1025
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: the source, the direct source of your pain, your agony,

1026
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: from your depression, It comes from people. It stems from

1027
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: people who look just like you. Why don't you hate them?

1028
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: Because that's too much like righte motherfucker, that's why you

1029
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: don't and your ass no that you're gonna run out

1030
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: of people and you don't want and you don't want

1031
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: to hate them because you want to be around him.

1032
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: You want to be around them, right, So it's just

1033
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: a matter when you start talking about racism, it's just

1034
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: these are motherfucker's who just don't want to get along,

1035
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: don't want to like somebody. It don't got nothing to

1036
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: do with how you who you are as a person,

1037
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 1: as a human being. It's just that I just don't

1038
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: like mother. So whatever somebody say negative about you, whatever

1039
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: judgments that are negative judgments are, they're gonna eat it

1040
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: up because that's what they want. They want to eat it.

1041
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: That's why you have people that sit around on social

1042
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: media when crimes are committed. They sit around and they

1043
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: wait to find out what the race of the person

1044
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: was before they decide how they feel about the case.

1045
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: How they're gonna come in on that particular case and

1046
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: not not white everybody, everybody does it. They sit around

1047
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: and wait, let me see what the race of the

1048
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: person is first, before I decide the time, Yeah, how

1049
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: I feel about this? When that shouldn't be it's crazy.

1050
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: That should go back to what you said initially. If

1051
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: you're a human being, you should be able to objectively

1052
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: empathize with any human being, and most people just don't

1053
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: do that with it. I mean, it's unfortunately. It's unfortunate, man.

1054
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: And I just I even I'm gonna tell you, like

1055
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: even sitting in prison. I haven't been sitting in the

1056
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: dayrooms in certain prisons where we're watching the news and

1057
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: a brother getting arrested for something. Yeah, here a brother

1058
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: and they're like, man, they need to get him a

1059
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: hundre years. Damn damn. Like so when it's somebody else's child, Oh,

1060
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a hundred years, But when it's

1061
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: your child, man, have mercy on my baby? Are you

1062
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: and are you man? Please have mercy on me. So

1063
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: I think that it goes back to we have to

1064
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: start wanting for others what we want fire ourselves. I

1065
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: think that's one of the biggest problems that the human

1066
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: being in general have, is just not wanting for others

1067
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: what we want for ourselves. And I think we got

1068
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: a big column in our community with self hate. Yes,

1069
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we do not want

1070
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: to see us come up. We always got something shitty

1071
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: to say about each other. Let's you know us some

1072
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: of us do. I mean, I gotta put we any

1073
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: because I'm black too, know what I'm saying, I don't.

1074
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about I don't. I don't

1075
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: talk about people behind their backs, but we is. It

1076
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: is too general of a statement. It's almost like saying

1077
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: it's almost it's almost saying imagine, imagine some woman saying,

1078
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: man ain't ship. That's not true. Some man ship. Maybe

1079
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: you can even say most man ain't ship. Many man

1080
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: ain't ship. But there are some upstanding me and out

1081
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: there that's not fat to just say man ain't ship.

1082
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: It's almost generalizing people again each other, some of us.

1083
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: I know a few, Yeah, I do too. What I'm

1084
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: just saying anything that anybody know. But when you say us,

1085
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: it's a general statement, and generally for black people. That's

1086
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Not Willie will exclude, will exclude because

1087
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not either man. I like to see

1088
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: everybody win. I mean, man, just just win one time, y'all,

1089
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: like like like, let us win one time, right, No

1090
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: letting No, I don't believe in letting fun that we're

1091
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: gonna win. Just you know we're gonna win and get

1092
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: to get out the way. We're gonna knock you the

1093
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: funk out the way. That's how you win. You know,

1094
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: you don't ask motherfucker to let you win. I ain't

1095
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: letting the motherfucker win nothing. And and I like I

1096
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 1: like to see and and and that's a good point.

1097
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it this way. I like to see

1098
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: people win because when people when people win, they happen.

1099
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: And when everybody happen, everybody, you know what to make

1100
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: everybody happen. If Matt came out with a new album,

1101
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: now I guess what, I got one cooking. It'll be

1102
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: probably early next year. I would say that it'll it'll

1103
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: be released. I'm just getting everything together. I had a lot,

1104
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: but I wrote a lot of songs over a lot

1105
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: of years. And I'm gonna just say this. I want

1106
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 1: to stay this for the record. When I first heard

1107
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: never Seen a Man Cry, I almost threw my whole

1108
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: notepad away. In nineteen ninety five, I think for not info.

1109
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: My partner n O Juwel came to the city, called

1110
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: me and my boy Watt and let us here. Before

1111
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: it came out, we heard it. I sat there, we

1112
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: looked at each other in the car and I said, man,

1113
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: why am I rapping? Brother? It was that powerful because

1114
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: I had never heard nobody rap like that. This dude

1115
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: sounded like this, this guy named Scarface. You know, he

1116
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: was rapping like a preacher delivering a eulogy. And I

1117
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: had never heard that before. Answer a whole lot of crazy, man,

1118
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: I was sitting there like that. So I basically had

1119
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: concluded that he was high and drunk in the middle

1120
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: of a graveyard at two o'clock in the morning when

1121
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: he wrote it, that's what That's what I had told myself,

1122
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: high and drunk, but now pain pain killers. I had

1123
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: broke my fist and I was to join that drunk

1124
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 1: middle like I took a pain and I was high

1125
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: as fucked, and I said that you let Lord of

1126
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: let me come down. I ain't never do good ship again.

1127
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: So I wrote, yeah, you you definitely put us in

1128
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: the room. Man, you you definitely put us in the room.

1129
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: Now beautiful. With that being said, like, I'm done, I'm

1130
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: not gonna not rapping ship no more anyway. Man, So

1131
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't have when you put that next record, how

1132
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: many you're gonna have a lot of old guys from

1133
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: no limit on there in any of the guys from

1134
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: five or four boys. Yes, some of the guys are

1135
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: gonna be on there. I'll have some of my my

1136
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: family members of course, because my all of my brothers

1137
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: and sisters are musicians, like um so that like you,

1138
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: I think I heard it. My sister is a singer,

1139
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: one of my sisters a producer. One of my little

1140
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: brothers used to actually play the trombone for Salang and uh,

1141
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: he traveled a lot more. And my other brother is

1142
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: a saxophone player. And my oldest younger brother because I'm

1143
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: the oldest. Job. He raps, but he's a computer engineer,

1144
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: so he's just he's just doing it for fun. But

1145
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: we all they're all going to be a part of it.

1146
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: My son as well. My son is a rapper. And

1147
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: my son actually just made me a Grandpaul wind Stay.

1148
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: So I want to say graduation, yeah Pa, Yeah, he

1149
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: raps and and you know he um he grinding. You know,

1150
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: he grinding. He's doing his his thing. Man. And so

1151
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a collective of people on it. I

1152
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: would like to get some of some of these legends

1153
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: on it, like will it uh like like Brad, you know,

1154
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: I would like to get some of these people commit. Man,

1155
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: I got one, I just got one criterion and that's

1156
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: a man. Just make the beat dope. Oh yeah, man,

1157
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm a man, don't be dope. And I want to

1158
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: do something on a on a New Orleans type, but

1159
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: I want to bounce on it, man, I want to

1160
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: bounce on it. A bounce be Now I'm gonna I'm

1161
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this. This is the weird thing is

1162
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: oh man. When I started before Bounce came out. So

1163
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, when my album come out in the eighties

1164
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: and then eight and nine or whatever, Bounce wasn't out yet.

1165
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: So when Bounds hit, people like, you're gonna do Bounce,

1166
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm like no, because that I was already rapping. So yeah,

1167
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: So I didn't really I didn't take to it. I

1168
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: didn't begin to appreciate Bounce until later on because it

1169
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: was like, yo, this is a reflective of of our city.

1170
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: But initially I was like, nah, you ain't never seen

1171
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: me bounce. Man, Man, I'm gone, you don't want to

1172
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: see me bounce right with? Fuck no, I was gonna

1173
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: give you somebody looking with that letting dary. Man, imagine

1174
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: me bouncing is gonna go by. That's not gonna be.

1175
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna have to get on the Houston beating

1176
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: stuff freestyle. Okay, man. So the new album is, yeah,

1177
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: it should be early two two. It's gonna feature a

1178
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean not a lot of people.

1179
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna feature select people. And uh, I think it's

1180
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna be reflecting the maturity because I had I wrote

1181
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: a lot of songs when I was inconcrated and a

1182
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: lot of people. You know what. Nothing to cut you off,

1183
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: But I'll make some beach for you. Bro, man, I

1184
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: would be do not believe that. I couldn't be. He's

1185
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: been motherfucking telling me that same ship, serious kind of ship.

1186
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: But I'll make you some beats now. I played the

1187
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: base in the in the keyboard keyboard too. I think

1188
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: I saw you before because you don't remember that, y'all

1189
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: don't remember this. But I think I opened up for

1190
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: I opened up at the concert you was in at

1191
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: the Singer and like ninety five or ninety six in

1192
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: the wall and it was you big Mike keep Murray

1193
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: and I don't remember none of that ship yeah, and

1194
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: it was painting it, but was in it the rabbit

1195
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: how they do vision at the time. I talked to

1196
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: one of them the other day in jail no, they

1197
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: could they can communicate with like See murder, Yeah, the

1198
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: same dome. We we was in the same dome. And

1199
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: and See was my partner who you know, we was.

1200
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: Me and See have been having a connection, man, since

1201
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: I met him, and so he was one of the

1202
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: few people that I can go vent to to because

1203
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: he could relate. We win damn that identical situation. And

1204
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: then you know, we reminisced together about times, you know,

1205
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: before we got locked up, so we kind of kept

1206
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: each other, uh focus, you know what I mean. And

1207
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: I just I just talked to him about it was

1208
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: about two days ago. I talked to him, and I

1209
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: always was was was weird, man, as I always felt

1210
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: bad for him because his situation, wation was more serious

1211
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: than mine, like he's we got identical crimes. But I

1212
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: was convicted of manslaughter. He was convicted of murder, which

1213
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: means he got a life sentence without parole. So I

1214
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,879
Speaker 1: always was, you know, a part of me and honestly,

1215
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: this is this is from the heart, a part of

1216
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: me felt. Man. I almost felt guilty for leaving him

1217
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: when I left, if that makes sense. I kind of

1218
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 1: just was I felt like I was leaving something behind.

1219
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: Because this is the home man, and you know, and

1220
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 1: and and he's a he's such a loyal and genuine

1221
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: dude that you know once once I made it, you know,

1222
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: I got on parole. He just every time he talked

1223
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: to me, he almost like tried to remind me that

1224
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: he okay because he don't want me to worry. Like

1225
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: he'd be like, man, I'm good. But he always up

1226
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,919
Speaker 1: in good spirits. And I know him. I know sometimes

1227
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: things don't always be all good, but he's never gone up. Uh.

1228
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: He never want the people he loved to stress a

1229
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: worry about him. So he always like, man, you're good, man,

1230
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that see y'all. Bro, you know stuff

1231
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: like that. Where's the last time you spoke to crazy Crazy?

1232
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: I actually so crazy on? He was with us the

1233
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: other day that. Yeah, he was with us the other day. Yes,

1234
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: last night he was on stage last night. Nice. Yeah,

1235
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: but man, we thank you for coming and I with us.

1236
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: Man appreciate Yeah, we really do. Man, it's good to

1237
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: see you. Man. How can people get in contact with

1238
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: you though? That's important? Um through Instagram? Wait, y'all, the people,

1239
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: not not us. We're gonna get a contact. Got your

1240
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: phone number I'm talking about. I'm talking about I is

1241
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: Mac Phipps Official UM at gmail dot com. Oh no,

1242
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: that's the no, that's that's not it. Macphilps Official is Instagram. Yeah, yeah,

1243
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: my bad, Mac, Macphilps Official. Listen, we all know. For

1244
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: the record, what do people watching For the record, I

1245
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: don't know nothing about technology. I'm still figuring all of

1246
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: this stuff out. Do you have an email address yet? Email?

1247
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: You have a business email? Okay? So okay, So Instagram.

1248
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: If y'all want to get in touch with Mac, reach

1249
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 1: out to him on Instagram, Instagram Family, Mac Phipps Official,

1250
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: Mac Phipps Official, that's the instagram on Instagram. I'm looking

1251
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: at my my people. They're looking at me like I

1252
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: don't know if I said something right. Man, one more time, man,

1253
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: for for your support group than you. It's beautiful, man,

1254
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. And to see that you got your same

1255
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: business partner after all that time, Russell, you know, still

1256
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: right that rideing with you, man, That's that's beautiful to see.

1257
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: There's something that you just rarely see in life, period.

1258
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: But for somebody to go to the penitentiary and set

1259
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: out for twenty years and come back and the whole

1260
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: time his people was riding with him, and then he

1261
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: get get out and then continuing the ride. That's a

1262
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: beautiful thing, man. Should you should try to package that

1263
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: and sell it because we've got a lot of fake

1264
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: as people out here, man, and they don't know what

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Speaker 1: it's like. They don't know even the meaning of loyalty.

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Speaker 1: They have no idea. Yeah, right, we know, man. Rusban

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Speaker 1: Rocking says what sorry eight nw us though. Yeah, Russ

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Speaker 1: was the bullet breaker. The bullet huh, he was gonna

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Speaker 1: break that was the bullet like it. I like it

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Speaker 1: right man. Well, I appreciate you for coming out. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Mac uh Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: sole survivor, true survivor. Man, I got to give it up,

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Speaker 1: give it up and give it up Forrad and Willie,

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Speaker 1: give it up for them, to give it up for us.

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Speaker 1: This is dope. This episode was produced by a King

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