1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ Bucky here moved the sticks. As 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: we get a little bit closer towards the NFL Draft, Buck, 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: the content machine that that we have rolling here is 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: not slowing down in terms of UH mock Draft, live 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: path to the Draft, keeping up with the Move the 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Sticks podcast, the three sixty episodes, We've got videos. I mean, UH, 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: people are thirsty for some draft content, Buck, and we are. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: We are pouring it all out here. It's everything we got. Yeah, 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: we're definitely doing it. Hopefully, Uh, the higher up see 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: the value that maybe we bring with all the content 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: that we're producing. But this is fun. Today is gonna 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: be a fun show because we're gonna talk about top five. 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: Um to go inside with me releasing top five prospects 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: by position. We can talk about the top five risks 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: versus reward players. We also go have a little discussion 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: about high energy players. And we're going to toss to 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: an interview with UH college football broadcaster Kirk curb Street 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: to talk about all things college football and the NFL Draft. 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: You had a chance to visit with with Herbie on 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow Um talking about how you 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: know college football families are dealing with this right now 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: because you've got two boys that play at Clemson, so 24 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: their home. How do you work out, uh, you know, 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: just a nice look here what's going on in the 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: college football landscape as well as as the NFL draft up. 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: You mentioned though, Buck, Um, a couple of of lists 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: we want to get to. You've got your brand new 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: top five list nfl dot Com slash Bucky Brooks. Uh. 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: You can find Bucky's top five rankings by position, which 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: is a great Uh. It's a great tool for you 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: to use as we as you're trying to keep up 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: with what's going on as we head towards the NFL Draft. 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: And also want to talk about some other lists that 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: we've come up with. So before we get to those 36 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: other lists, Buck, I know there's not a lot of 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: movement on your list, Um, but any tough decisions in 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: this latest update for you, tough decisions came down to 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: the safety position for me. Uh, DJ we we talked 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: about Jeremy Chin and how Jeremy Chen has been such 41 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: a a a riser, a late rising in the process 42 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: and how he may garner some conversation and consideration at 43 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round. Well, putting him in 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: the list means that someone has to go out. And 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: Antoine Wingfield has been very, very strong. When you talk 46 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: to people and when you look at the tape, there 47 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: are a lot of stuff to like. Uh, Kyle Dugger 48 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: has been a guy that has been in the conversation 49 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: for a long time as a small school standout. And 50 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: then Ashton Davis and so trying to make the decision 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: which one of those three guys moves out was really 52 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: really tough. But I dropped Kyle Dugger out just a 53 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: little bit because I feel like with Antoine Wingfield, I 54 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: know he's under size, but the speed, the athleticism, the 55 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: bloodlines that gives him a chance. And then when Ashton Davis, 56 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: what I like about him, Um, you're talking about a 57 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: world class athlete who was also smart as a whip. 58 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: He's tough, he's rangy. He brings a lot of good 59 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: attributes to the safety position in a league that is 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: dominated by the passing game. His ability to get from 61 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: numbers to numbers and to run the secondary, to me, 62 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: separates him from some of the other guys, uh and 63 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: at the position, and I'm gonna get to him in 64 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: just a little bit when uh we start talking about 65 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: some risk reward players. He's somebody that I jotted down, 66 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: so I'll give you my take on that in just 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: a moment. But uh No, I do think that Jeremy 68 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: chen thing is legitimate. I think the rise is a 69 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: real at the safety position. I think you're gonna see 70 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: him in the top forty picks when it's all said 71 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: and done. Buck, he just got so much momentum because 72 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: he's such a unique player in terms of the the size, speed, 73 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: combination and the different things he can do. Plus you 74 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: don't you have production, so you're not, you know, wondering 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: and hoping that he's gonna be able to make some plays. 76 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: This guy made a lot of plays at the college level. 77 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: So uh, that's that's a good one. I like that. 78 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: Uh uh, that kind of back and forth you have 79 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: with yourself when you're putting these lists together. I can 80 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: sympathize with that. Um. Before we get to the uh, 81 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: the top five risk reward type players, I wanted to 82 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: hit on this topic a little bit because I always 83 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: mentioned this on the podcast about Andy Reid and he 84 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: used to say, every player that you bring into your building, 85 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: they either bring energy or they take energy. And in 86 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: a long NFL season, there's those moments where you've got 87 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: to have some guys that can pick up the group 88 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: and that's you know, in their position group and they're 89 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: on the offense of the defense and just kind of 90 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: get the team keep them going. So I'm big on 91 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: energy and having guys that can provide that, and I've 92 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: jotted down a list of some guys that I think 93 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: really bring some passionate energy to the game. But I'd 94 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: be curious to see Buck. If you have anybody that 95 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: that comes to your mind, Yeah, you know it. It's 96 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: funny because when I think about energy, I think about 97 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: guys that are not only um play with kind of 98 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: like a relentless motor, that are NonStop players, but they 99 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 1: also bring production and playmaking. And a guy that stands 100 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: out to me is the guy that we saw the 101 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Uh Bradley and I from Utah. When I 102 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: watch him play, he jumps off the tape in terms 103 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: of his relentlessness and how hard he plays. And one 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: of the first things that I look for for all players, 105 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: but particularly defensive players, man, do they play hard from 106 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: snap to whistle? And I feel like with him, he 107 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: not only does that, but I think he makes you 108 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: check yourself, um when you play beside him and as 109 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: you're building a team and we talk about culture, coach 110 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: has been the buzz word. UM. I one of eleven 111 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: guys that play like that, play like their hairs on fire. 112 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: So to me, he is one of the best energy 113 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: guys uh that will find in a draft. Yeah, I 114 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: agree he does. He's somebody that I can definitely consider 115 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: putting down there because he never stops and that that 116 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: type of relentless effort and motor is something that can 117 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: pick up guys around him and challenge players with his effort. Uh. 118 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: These are the list of some guys I wrote down. 119 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: I'd love to get your take on any of them here. 120 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: Uh A Keem Davis Gaither from app State, the linebacker 121 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: Meek robertson the corner of Feisty Corner from Louisiana Tech. 122 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: Jeff Gladen he kind of in that same vein from TCU. 123 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: Very competitive. Uh. You watch Iowa State. He gets in 124 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: a scrap in that game, but just high, high energy. UM. 125 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: And then the two that are the first rounders that 126 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: I put that I think provide the most energy to 127 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: your each side of the ball. On the defensive side 128 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: of the ball, Patrick Queen, the way he plays Buck, 129 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he is one hundred miles an hour on 130 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: every snap and to me, that's going to provide a 131 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: lot of energy and a lot of juice. And then 132 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: one on the offensive side of the ball. It's not 133 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: just because Henry Rugs is fast Buck. It's the combination 134 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: of his his tempo and his toughness. And when you 135 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: talk to the people at Alabama, they say that is 136 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: the that is the kind of the alpha of the group. 137 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: You know, when you look at all those talented wide 138 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: receivers they have in there, like this is kind of 139 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: the baddest dude in the room. So to me, he's 140 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: He's another one who brings a lot of that juice. 141 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny because I'll come back and I 142 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: would say that Brandon I Yuk to me is an 143 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: energy guy. Um, there's certain guys on offense that when 144 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: your team is struggling and you need to play and 145 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: you need somebody to, as we say, get the party started. Um, 146 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: Brandon I Yuk is dad and sometimes the party starters 147 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: are the guys that can take like a little hit 148 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: or a bubble screen and go to distance. And what 149 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: happens is it adds electricity in the stadium. The stands 150 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: get pumped when they make a play. It kind of 151 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: changes the tenor of the game. Brandon and Yuk needs 152 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: to be in that conversation for sure. You know that's 153 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: a good one. I think back to, uh, you know, 154 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: being with Baltimore and we had a couple of them. 155 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: When you have Ed Reid and you have Ray Lewis, 156 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: like Ray was the ultimate energy giver. Like he just 157 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: brought energy to the whole stadium. It started with warm 158 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: ups when you introduced him. I mean, it just created 159 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: such energy. UM in Cleveland when I was there, like, 160 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: we didn't have that guy, and I was one of 161 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: the reasons why we didn't want enough. We didn't have 162 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: that type of a player. And then you go to Philadelphia, 163 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: UM and on. You know, before I got there, it 164 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: was it was Dawkins what he brought. Then when I 165 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: when I was there on offense, we had we had 166 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: de Sean Jackson, a young Deshan Jackson who the stadium 167 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: was electric when he was on the field because you 168 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: knew something special was gonna happen. So, uh, those guys 169 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: that bring that type of energy, man, that's huge. It 170 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: is huge. And it's funny that you mentioned de Sean Jackson, 171 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: and I think sometimes it could be a returner that 172 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: adds to that because a good punt return, a kickoff return, 173 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: something that flips to field. It changes the momentum of 174 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: the game. And so I remember watching de Sean Jackson, 175 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: not only at Kale, but then watching him when he 176 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: got to Philadelphia, like the way that he impacted the game. 177 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: Those players are special and you have to kind of 178 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: put a little star in your notebook when you find 179 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: guys that kind of play hard and do those things 180 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: because it does kind of change the way that their 181 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: teammates play and rally around them. Let me give a 182 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: couple more Junior Sale. Yes, the energy that he brought 183 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: throughout his illustrious career, Jared Allen, with how he played 184 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: and the passion and energy. He was a big time 185 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: energy giver as a player. So it can come from 186 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: all different positions, I would say, interestingly enough, I think 187 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: the Chiefs guy is Kelsey. I think he's the one 188 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: who brings the juice and brings all that that passion 189 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: and energy to the field. Yeah, you know, it's funny, DJ, 190 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: because when you talk about like energy and passion and 191 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: the guys they bring juice to the field. When I 192 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: looked at Auburn's defensive tape, I felt like Marlon Davison 193 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: and there. I feel like they fed off each other's energy, 194 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: Like when we make a play, then the other would 195 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: make up play. When we make a play, another would 196 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: make a play. And the level of effort and energy 197 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: that they played with is uncommon for upfront guys. We've 198 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: been around the game a lot. I don't know if 199 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: I've ever seen a unit play that hard for that long. 200 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: When you watch the tape and then when you bring 201 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: them together, you talk to them individually and collectively about 202 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: the competition that took place between them. They talked about yeah, 203 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: I was pushed by the guy on the other side. 204 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: And so when we talk about energy guys or I 205 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: think in a lead of level, we call them thermostat leaders, 206 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: guys that change the temperature of the room. Those are 207 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: the kind of guys that you want. And it will 208 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: be interesting because we talked about position players. Is there 209 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: anyone at the quarterback position that kind of stands out 210 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: to you as like an energy guy, someone to kind 211 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: of brings some juice to the field. I would say 212 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: to a probably just with the with the personality and 213 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: the energy that he brings, and even kind of just 214 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: the the I want to use the word frenetic, but 215 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, that just real brisk, 216 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: twitchy style that he plays with. And then I just 217 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: think he's got a little more emotion to him, um 218 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: maybe than some of the other guys in his class. 219 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: It's funny because I would say him, I think Joe 220 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Burrow brings that. I think Joe Burrow's feistiness, his competitiveness, 221 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: the way that he reacts to getting hit or having 222 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: making a mistake or even giving it back to defend defenders. 223 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: I think that adds energy to the huddle. And I 224 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: think it's a stark contrast between having a guy that 225 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: is fiery like that it needs to be controlled, but 226 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: and a guy that may be a little more even killed, 227 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: like a Justin Herbert, you know. And so with a 228 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, the guys around him, someone else in the 229 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: huddle is going to have to be kind of like 230 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: the party starter because that's not something that he naturally 231 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: has as a part of his personality. Yeah, I think 232 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: with with Burrow buck Man, I just think of him 233 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: like an assassin, like it's and I get it that 234 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: can definitely bring energy to but I mean he's almost 235 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: just like a stone cold assassin. You know. He didn't 236 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: have to say anything like like that's him, man, that's him. 237 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: But um, all right, let's get to some of these 238 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: risk reward players here. Um. I had a chance to 239 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: to to jot down five guys that I thought were 240 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: high risk, high reward could be an incredible payoff, but 241 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: there is some risk involved. So I'll roll through my five. Buck, 242 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: I get your thoughts on him, and I'd love to 243 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: hear your five You ready, all right? You mentioned one 244 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: of them, Ashton Davis um as a safety from cal 245 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: because of the track speed that he has, the range, 246 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: he's got good ball skills, unfortunately hasn't been able to 247 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: be healthy through the spring. And I think you you 248 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that stigma, right with guys 249 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: that have a background and track and then guys that 250 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: can't compete through the process, like you go oh, like 251 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: alarm goes off a little bit like, Oh no, it's 252 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: just gonna be one of these deals where we've always 253 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: got to have have this guy in the shop. Um, 254 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, is he gonna be able to go? So 255 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: that would be the risk with him. Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma, 256 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: a guy that we've talked to before, tested like a 257 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: freak um as a defensive tackle, you know, came from Canada. 258 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: Is still raw, still developing in the game. The raw 259 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: tools are there. I don't think he's a great football 260 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: player at this point in time, but there's a lot 261 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: that he could become. So there's a little bit of 262 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: variance there in terms of what he could become. Uh 263 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Darryl Taylor, the edge rusher from Tennessee h somebody that 264 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: was hurt this year, but when you go back and 265 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: watch him in eighteen, he was outstanding. Didn't get a 266 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: chance to see him compete at the Senior Bowl or 267 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the Combine. Obviously no Pro Day, so a little bit 268 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: you're buying blind a little bit on him, but upside 269 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. Uh. Saddiq Charles the left tackle 270 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: for l s U who's another athletic freak, you know, 271 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: suspended six games this past year for some positive drug tests. Um, 272 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: but that landscape has changed with the new CBA, so 273 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: maybe that isn't as big of a risk as maybe 274 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: it would have been otherwise. E But you know, you 275 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: you've got tremendous tools to work with with him. And 276 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: then the last one I wrote down was kJ Hamler. Um. 277 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: kJ is not the biggest guy in the world. Unfortunately, 278 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: he wasn't able to compete at the combine. A little 279 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: bit of a strain, but man, the speed is is 280 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: big time. When you watch the tape, he can take 281 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: the top off the defense. But just you know, you've 282 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: got an undersized player who's got a little bit nicked up, 283 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: who has some drops as well, So that's kind of 284 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: the downside with him. But man, he is a home 285 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: run hitter. So those are kind of five guys I 286 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: think that have a very high ceiling and a very 287 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: low floor. It's interesting because of the names that you mentioned. 288 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: The guy that stands out to me obviously Nevill Gallimore, 289 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: who we talked to at the Senior Bowl. Basketball background 290 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: is impressive. The movement skills are impressive on tape. When 291 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: I watched him on tape, I wrote in my notes, Um, 292 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: he's got a plugger with pass rush ability, meaning right 293 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: now he's so raw. He plays well against the run, 294 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: and you think he can give you a little more 295 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: as a pass rushing because you see that letticism, but 296 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: you don't see him put it together consistently with kJ Hammler, 297 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: kJ is just undersized, and I think the scary part 298 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: in having high hosts what a smaller guy is is 299 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: he going to be able to hold up? And what 300 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: role can we put him in not only to maximize 301 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: what he can do on the field, but also to 302 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: get everything out of him that we possibly can get 303 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: because he does have return skills, he does have stretch ability. 304 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: He has been able to take bubble screens and short 305 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: passes to the house. You just wondered with the size. 306 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: And then Darrell Taylor, to me is a classic flasher. 307 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: He popped when you turn on the tape, you see 308 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: him make plays. And so I really like your list. 309 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: There are two guys that would have been on my list, 310 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: but we wanted to keep this outside of the top fifty, 311 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: and so the two guys that I would normally mention 312 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: would be te Higgins and Caleb and Chasing because I 313 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: think they're interesting evaluations. You see the athleticism and the talent, 314 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: but you just kind of wonder are they gonna be 315 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: able to play to the potential that you see with Higgins. 316 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: He plays like a jump ball specialists on tape, But 317 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: then when you look at the numbers from the pro 318 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: day and the speed on tape and the way he 319 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: kind of turns down some bumping run opportunities in big games, 320 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: you just kind of wonder. And Calevon Chasing to me, 321 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: you see the great athleticism, you don't see the production 322 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: the match. Those are two guys, but on my list, 323 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: Donovan People's Jones. Donovan People's Jones is a risk reward 324 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: player because the athleticism and the explosive nous is there. 325 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: You don't necessarily see the production, and you can make 326 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: the argument that he might not have been the number 327 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: one receiver at Michigan, But then you dig deeper and 328 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: you find out he had a high ankles frame that 329 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of plagued him into the regular season. You don't 330 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: know if he was really healthy, so you don't really 331 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: know which version you may get at the next level. Um, 332 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about this guy. We poke poked fun at 333 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: his body type. But Curtis Weaver Curtis Weaver is a 334 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: risk reward type because he's a premier pass rusher, but 335 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: the packaging is not right. He doesn't look like one 336 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: when you watch him on the turf. This is the 337 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: Mountain West all time sack leader, but from a physical standpoint, 338 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't wow you. Um, he doesn't overwhelm you. He 339 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: just finds a way to consistently get to the quarterback. 340 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how his game plays out. 341 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: We had this discussion, I want to say yesterday we 342 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: talked about Isaiah Wilson from Georgia. UM, big man, natural tools, 343 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: really really raw. How much are you willing to kind 344 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: of bank on his upside versus what you've seen on tape. 345 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what evaluators have to deal with at quarterback. 346 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: Jacob Easton Jacob Easton in the eighties would be a 347 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: first round pick all day. But the game has evolved, 348 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: and so how much are you willing to put into 349 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: a player that is more like a statue in the pocket, 350 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: big arm but doesn't move. Can that still play and 351 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: winning this game when you have to build the team 352 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: around him? And then the final guy is the guard 353 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: from Fresno State. The time Muti. He is interesting because 354 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: when you see him play in Spurts Man, he flashes 355 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: some dominant ability. But then you go through the medical 356 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: stuff and there's just this laundry list of injuries that 357 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: he's had to overcome, and so, man, you just don't 358 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: know if the guy is gonna pass a physical. But 359 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: the talent on the field is enough to intrigue you. 360 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: You just don't know physically if his body's gonna hold up. Yeah, 361 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be a challenge when you've missed most 362 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: of two seasons, um, and it's a Liz frank And and 363 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: and achilles like those are not minor injuries. So uh, 364 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a challenge for him in terms of 365 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: where he goes. But I do like your list. Buck 366 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: te Higgins is one that that's very interesting to me. Um. 367 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: You know, some teams think he's the top three receiver, 368 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: top four receiver in this draft, like they have him 369 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: way up there. Other teams are are way down on him. 370 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: So I think when you're talking about risk reward, it 371 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: makes sense that some teams would be very high on 372 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: some of these players and other teams were very low 373 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: on these players. Because it's kind of a beauty in 374 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: the eye, that beholder situation. You know, it's funny. So 375 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: DJ so I did this exercise with te Higgins. I went, 376 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: I looked at his pro day numbers, and I just 377 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: decided to pull up DeAndre Hopkins numbers. I'm not saying 378 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm the same they're the same player, but both scored 379 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: twenty seven touchdowns at Clemson. Both ran mid four or 380 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: five at their pro day. The difference in DeAndre Hopkins 381 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: and te Higgins. DeAndre Hopkins had a thirty six thirty 382 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: seven inch vertical, te Higgins at thirty one. You don't 383 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: see it, but the common denominator. Both were big time 384 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: basketball players in high school. I mean Tee Higgins was 385 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: a finalist for Mr Basketball in Tennessee as a junior. 386 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: And so if you're willing to gamble on the come 387 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: on what he could be, then maybe you take a 388 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: chance on him. But there's a lot of stuff on 389 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: tape where you're like, man, I just don't know if 390 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: he's worthy of being in that category, like a Tier 391 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: one UH player. When you see the Jerry Judy's and 392 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: the Ceedee Lambs and the Henry Rugs, sometimes it's hard 393 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: to put him in that conversation, Yeah, I think I 394 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: think he's gonna probably end up going in the mid 395 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: to late twenties to early thirties. I mean, if I 396 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: was guessing, you're probably talking where Minnesota has their two 397 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: first rounders um to the top five or six picks 398 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: in the second round, I think when you'll see te 399 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: Higgins come off the board. But the upside, Yeah, the 400 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: upside is absolutely there. Buck, all right, let's get to uh, 401 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: go ahead and go ahead. I was gonna say I 402 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: struggled with having coming up with a pro comparison in 403 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: terms of like who could he be at the next level? 404 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: I put down Allen Robinson. Oh that's a good one. 405 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good Allen Robinson might 406 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: have been a little more physical, but that's a good 407 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: that's a good comparison. Because I couldn't. I was having 408 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: a similar some trying to dig into memory Brank, like, man, 409 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: who does he compare to? That's what you know. I 410 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: kind of struggled that one too, But that's when I 411 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: looked at the numbers, the testing numbers, all that stuff. 412 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: It kind of came out and then I thought, you know, Robinson, 413 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: what he did? You know, playing above the rim. You 414 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: see some of that same stuff with te Higgins. I'm 415 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: with you. I think Robinson a little more physical, um, 416 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: but I thought that was that as good as I 417 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: come up with right there. Now, that's a good one 418 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: because there are questions like that, let's get to let's 419 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: get to this conversation with Herbie here. I had a 420 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: chance to uh to visit with Kirk herb Street and 421 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: UH and talk with him about a lot of different things, 422 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: and some of it we've saved for for our three 423 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: sixty episode on two A Tugoboa, so be on the 424 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: lookout for that next week. Reminder, we have the Joe 425 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: Burrow episode that's uh, that's out this week. We already 426 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: have released the Justin Herbert episode. So it was great 427 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: to catch up with Herbie and here's our conversation. But Kirk, 428 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: appreciate your time today, man. I guess first question from 429 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: me would be how have you I've been holding up? 430 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: How's the family holding up as as we're going through 431 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: this unprecedented time right now? Yeah, DJ, for for us, 432 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: probably like you and a lot of people, it's it's 433 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: one of these things where you're you're adjusting it seems 434 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: like by the day. You know, I think at first 435 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: it was more about I've I have very similar ages 436 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: that you have. I have to They're in college over 437 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: at Clemson, and we happen to have them with us. 438 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: We were on spring break, and and so we at 439 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: least had them. Well, you know, everything was moving very 440 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: very fast on schedules and and Dabo's case and Clemson's case. 441 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're sending out emails, and right away 442 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: it became pretty clear. I think the a C C 443 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: one of the first offerences that just right away, you know, 444 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: they not only canceled the basketball tournament, they shut down 445 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: everything on campus, and and so we were we were 446 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: lucky to have them with us, and we just we 447 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: just bunker down, really and that's what we've been doing 448 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: now for for a couple of weeks, and trying to 449 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: follow the guidelines, listening to what Dr Foudy and the 450 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: others are saying and recommending, and and just hoping for 451 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: the best for everybody, and trying to stay in touch 452 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: with with friends and family like you and I are 453 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: talking right now. I mean, it's it's a strange time 454 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: for all of us, unprecedented times. I don't think any 455 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: of us ever thought we would be in a situation 456 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: like this. And how you doing, how's your family doing? 457 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: We're doing good man, And in some ways, um, it's 458 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: been nice to just have the kids around it. And 459 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure you had the same thing when the boys 460 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: were there with with just schedules and practice here and 461 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: going there and drop off and pick up. Um, so 462 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: it does allow you some some family time. So and 463 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: and that's kind of like a little ray of light 464 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: and in a very dark time. But uh, we're doing 465 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: good man. I'm curious what is the dabbo and the 466 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: rink staff there? I have they sent the kids like 467 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: a universal workout? These guys can kind of it's almost 468 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: like p ninety X, like what are a lot of 469 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: these kids gonna be able to do to stay in shape. 470 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: That's a great point, um, because we're very very fortunate 471 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: here at our house. We we have my wife and 472 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: I have you know, a gym that we we use 473 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: if we don't go to a gym kind of thing. 474 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: So we we don't have a ton of things, but 475 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: we have some stuff. And so the boys are able 476 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: to follow along on an app and able to work out. 477 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of guys um not just 478 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: a Clempson, all over the country that our home with 479 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: their families don't have the means to to have any 480 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: kind of weights of any kind. And so I think 481 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: in Clemson's case, they sent out bands, different bands that 482 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: they can use for different weight exert body weight exercises 483 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: that they can do. And uh, you know, I think 484 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: about not only some of these college athletes around the 485 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: country trying to get a workout, but as we're seeing 486 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: people are losing their jobs, you know, this is scary 487 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: time for a lot out of people. And and just 488 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: to to look at it in the small frame of 489 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: our world of football and college football, a lot of 490 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: these kids are home and away from you know, being 491 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: underneath the umbrella of a system that gives the meals, 492 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: gives them training table, gives them study table, and you know, 493 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: in some cases they go home and you know, you 494 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: just you wonder how they're doing because they sometimes don't 495 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: have the means to be able to provide, you know, 496 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: to have meals to eat, let alone right now, to 497 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: be able to work out. So it's it's just just 498 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: times I think that none of us in this country 499 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: thought we'd ever see, and I think we're all trying 500 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: to pull together provide as much as we can. I 501 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: saw Trevor Lawrence and UH and Sam Ellinger came up 502 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: with some ideas of trying to create some money for 503 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: people in different ways of trying to provide. N C 504 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: double A right away took that away and then they 505 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: kind of think reevaluate and thought that was a good thing. 506 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: So I think they're through all this. There's a lot 507 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: of good it's coming to light. And UH, I always 508 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: feel like when it was nine eleven. You know, in 509 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: our lifetime you go from World War Two, but in 510 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: our lifetime, uh, nine eleven, you know, it really unified 511 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: the country. And I really feel that while we're in 512 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: dark times and scary times, I think when we will 513 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: fight through this, get through it, and on the back end, 514 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: I think as a country and as people, I think 515 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna come through it even better and stronger. So 516 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: we're probably not not even halfway through this, but that's 517 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: that's what I'm hanging my hat on. Anyway. Yeah, we've 518 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: seen some We've seen some guys really do some cool things. 519 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: We've seen with Drew Brees at the NFL level, bunch 520 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: of players helping out love what what Trevor Lawrence and 521 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: the college guys were doing. So you are seeing some 522 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: of the good side of humanity come out through a 523 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: very difficult time. It was interesting to me. And I 524 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: know you evaluated all these guys I've I've called a 525 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: number of his games and and likable young man and 526 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: you wish him obviously nothing but the best. But I 527 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: know people put a label on him a little bit 528 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: throughout this process. Everybody seems to get a label of 529 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: some kind, and his seemed to be, you know, where, 530 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: where's the fire type of thing? And you know, the 531 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: energy that you want to see consistently from a from 532 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback. And there there were times when I did 533 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: his games that I left a little bit from the 534 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: press box walking down a little bit frustrated with he 535 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: has so much upside and physical ability. I wish he 536 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: had that Tom Brady like not on my watch, not 537 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: happening today kind of thing. Uh. Think about the Auburn 538 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: game and how that one ended. Did you call that 539 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: one right? Yeah? Have you ever seen And I couldn't 540 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: shake this at the end of the game. I can't 541 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: shake it because just not being able to control the 542 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: flight of the ball when you're what were they at, 543 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: like the forty going in and the things ten yards 544 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: out of the back of the end zone that one, 545 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: and and then just the last series of the game. 546 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean Auburn with a freshman quarterback. God bless him 547 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: for finding a way to win. But he got hurt. 548 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: He got kind of nicked up and went out of 549 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: the game. Oregon tried to call a time out and thought, oh, 550 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: we'll call the time out and we'll get him back 551 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: in the game then the rest. No, no, no, he 552 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: still has to sit out a play. He sits out 553 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: a play I can't remember, was third and one or fourth, 554 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: and it was a pivotal play. He's not in the game, 555 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, dude, unless you have a bone coming 556 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: out of your leg, you're dragging you off the field, right. 557 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: You cannot come off the field because now a guy 558 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: has been standing over there for three and a half hours. 559 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: He's got to come in and try to get a 560 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: first down. If they get the first down, games over 561 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: and so there was at the moments like that. I 562 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: did the A s U game out in Tempe this year, 563 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: and again, everybody has bad games. I don't care about 564 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: throwing interceptions or it was just the the energy around 565 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: the interceptions or after the intercept is just kind of like, 566 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I can't believe that happened, and it didn't. 567 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: Now to his credit. I did the Rose Bowl, m 568 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: I did the pack Tool Championship game, and those are 569 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: his last two games, and both those games it was 570 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: it was like he was starting to hear some of 571 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: that noise. Where's the fire, where's the competitive spirit? And 572 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, really, I'll show you, and it was. 573 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: It was. It was a very grand, very different quarterback 574 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: in those two games. So I'm not saying it's not there. 575 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm just saying he that's an area that I hope 576 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: he really focuses on, because man, the dude is beautiful 577 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: throwing the football. He can make every throw. So I 578 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: wrote it down like we have with the draft on 579 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: one of the things that we do with the network 580 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: where you have to the guy gets picked right, so 581 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: then it says the name of school all that stuff, 582 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: and then we could the baseball card right. So's I'm 583 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: sure it's the same thing when before a game where 584 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: you kind of like your three bullet points you want 585 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: to hit on a kid before you really jump into 586 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: the topic. So literally, my last one was all caps, 587 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: cut it loose, like I just would. I just want 588 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: the kid to just cut it loose. He guides the 589 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: ball at times. It's almost like you're watching somebody who's 590 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: played with with little kids, you know, his whole life, 591 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: where just like kind of just trying to guide the ball. 592 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: Just just rip it man, cut it loose. And then 593 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: and then let's let's see some some of that playmaking ability, uh, 594 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: come out when it's on time and in rhythm. Like 595 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: I think if he goes to a team that's a 596 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: run team, a play action team, and he can backfoot 597 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: and drive the ball, he'll be okay. But just parking 598 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: him and the gun and asking him to sit and 599 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: read and sort and all that, that's not that's not 600 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: his back. That's great. I totally agree with that. I 601 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: also think that, you know, the NFL game seems to 602 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: be changing and by the by the year with the 603 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: type of quarterback they're looking for. You know, the days 604 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: of Peyton Manning sitting back there seven step drop, I 605 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: mean that that those are almost dinosaurs now in the league. 606 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: This kid's got an athletic ability, you know, he is 607 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: much more athletic. Uh. Then I think maybe people realize 608 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: when they evaluate him. I think he can keep plays live. 609 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: He can if he if he turns it loose, if 610 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: he just like turn on the Rose Bowl film and 611 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: in the Pact twelve game and you'll see a different 612 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: guys or some of the other games. I think, not 613 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: only throughout this year, but even the previous couple of 614 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: years before that. I'd love to get your take. Haven't 615 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: seen so much Ohio State over the years. I mean 616 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: I've been asked to a a zillion times. I'm sure you 617 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: have to, but just curious with the BOSSA brothers and 618 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: I see joe each and every week doing these Charger games, 619 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: but with Nick and Joey and Chase, Like, how would 620 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: you compare the three? Who I think? I think Nick 621 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: because of his build and he's such a technician. He 622 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: is he is the most dynamic of the three. He's 623 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: my top one of the three as well. Yeah, he 624 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: is special and he and he he's he's a guy 625 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: that was lucky to have his dad, his uncle, um, 626 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: his older brother, and then he had his his own wiring. 627 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean, since he's in eighth grade, he's learning okay, 628 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: if I if I do this with my hand and 629 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: this and then I come here. He's been studying it 630 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: Larry Johnson, so he's he's really into not just hey, 631 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm a great athlete, but he's really into learning how 632 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: he can win leverage hand to hand combat almost like 633 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, like karate, Like he he just 634 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: like he's a black belt to me when it comes 635 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: to that, Joey is just a big ominous threat, you 636 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: know who who's also athletic, like a big ogre. He's 637 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: just gonna beat you with his son. And I feel 638 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: like Chase Young is a little bit of a combination 639 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: of the two, you know. I think I think Chase 640 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: still has a long way to go to catch up 641 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: to to Nick when it comes to that hand to 642 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: hand stuff. But man, I really feel he's still raw. 643 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: As crazy as that sounds, like, I think he is 644 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: going to if he stays motivated and stays hungry and 645 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: wants to just be the best that ever played. Kind 646 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: of kind of approach because I think Nick attitude, if 647 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: he ever gets that like for his career, then he 648 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: he would be right up there with Nick with the 649 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: time I have left here and love to get your thoughts. 650 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: Just is last year the best college football seating you've 651 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: ever seen from a quarterback in what Burrow did. Because 652 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: normally we talked about it like okay in the in 653 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: the draft room, you'd say, Okay, watch this game, this game, 654 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: this game, all right, give me a bad game to watch, 655 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: like bad game, Like I can't find like bad drives 656 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: or series with this kid this year. There's no bad tape. Dude, 657 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: it's amazing. He's he's he just I I started to 658 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: run out of things to say, like, you know what, 659 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: it's like what Tiger Woods was in his prime. It's 660 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: like he's really good again. There he is. I mean, 661 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: this kid, I've never seen a guy in college. I 662 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: know Brady has it in the NFL Breeze maybe at Perdue, 663 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: but it was less high profile. I've never seen a 664 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: guy with this um killer instinct of wanting to not 665 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: just beat you, but like steal your soul from you 666 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: like he wants to. Yeah, he wants to ruin everything 667 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: about you and the defensive coordinator like he takes it 668 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: so personally. Um the battle, that week's battle against whoever 669 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: it is, and all guys are competitive, all guys want 670 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: to win. But this guy borderline like arrogant, borderline like, Man, 671 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: were you okay as a kid like like like a 672 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: mean dude in a good one? If he's your quarterback, 673 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: it's great. But he's gonna ruffle some feathers in the 674 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 1: NFL if he keeps playing and with that attitude with success, 675 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna wanna see him hit if you're playing against him. 676 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: I personally love it because I kind of like that 677 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: that he plays with. But um, it'd be interesting to 678 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: see how that flies in the NFL. Yeah, that's great 679 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: stuff and her. You've been so genious with your time today, buddy, 680 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'm glad the family's hanging in there. 681 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: Hope to catch up with you soon under better circumstances, 682 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: and no doubt, man, I appreciate you. I appreciate your friendship. Man, 683 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: you are the best in the business for a reason. Man, 684 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: you guys be safe, all right, buddy, take care alright, Buck, 685 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: you get a chance to hear a little bit of 686 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: that chat there with with Kirk curb Street, and I 687 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: thought it was fascinating a lot of different things he 688 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: hit on, but the you know, comparing the Ohio State 689 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: Edge Rushers with the Boast of Brothers and with Chase Young. 690 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: So we this is one thing that we we agree 691 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: on a lot of things, but this is the one 692 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: that we're a little bit different on. Because herb Street 693 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: had Nick as the top of the three. I had 694 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: Nick as the top of three, but you have you 695 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: have Chase right above the Boast of Brothers. Yeah. Like it. 696 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: It's interesting, and I think I go back in and 697 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking, and I'm looking at the size and I'm 698 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm just going back and it's probably not really fair 699 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: because they all kind of played together. Um. I felt 700 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: like Nick and Joey were both very very technically technically sound. 701 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: I feel like both of those guys kind of understood 702 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: the family business. They were natural pass rushes because they 703 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: had worked on the craft, and they at the full 704 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: gamut of moves. I feel like Chase is more explosive, 705 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: more athletic, and because he's um a little more dynamic 706 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: as an athlete. I don't think we necessarily give him 707 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: the credit for the polish that he displays. Um. I 708 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: think each of these guys are are obviously very very good. 709 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: Nick and Joy have been able to dominate right away, 710 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: and so in that light. I would think that Chase 711 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: will come right in and dominate and do it the same. 712 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: I think from a production standpoint, I think we can 713 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: expect Chase to be a double digit pass rusher year 714 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: after year after year. I think the reason, and it 715 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: may be my own bias coming into this, is when 716 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: I look at Chase, he reminds me so much of 717 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: what we had in Carolina with Julius Peppers in terms 718 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: of it's really easy for him to win. And I 719 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: remember discussions that we had internally about yeah, he got 720 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: fourteen sex, but he should have had twenty, you know. 721 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: And so sometimes those guys tease you because it looks 722 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: so easy for them that you always feel like they 723 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: do more reven and appreciate what they bring to the 724 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: table as as they are presently constructed. You know, look 725 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: at the look at the leap that he took this, 726 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: you know from last year this year, we've talked so 727 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: much about Joe Burrow in the jump that he made, 728 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: But look at how Chase Young took over and dominated 729 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: football games this year. I think the best is ahead 730 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: of him. Um, you know, so I look, I think 731 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: he's fantas I think he's the best player in the draft, 732 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: So I can't give him higher praise than that. I 733 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: think he is the best player in the draft. I 734 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: think he's been the best player from the beginning of 735 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: the process all the way to the end. Um. And 736 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: I think the Washington Redskins are gonna luck out and 737 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna get him with the second pick. And and uh, 738 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: guys that you were very familiar with with that old 739 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: Carolina Panther regime, Buck, they're gonna have a heck of 740 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: a defensive line to build their football team around. Okay, 741 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: with that in mind, Like, what would it take for 742 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: you to move off of that pick if you had 743 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: to wash new riskins. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not 744 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: moving off of it. There's there's core positions, and when 745 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: you start talking about quarterback, you start talking about edge rusher, 746 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: and I would probably even still add left tackle if 747 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: you've got a chance to have a premier player at 748 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: that position, because those guys, that's a decade plus you're 749 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: gonna get a production, um elite production at at the 750 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: second most important position in football is an edge rusher. Like, heck, no, 751 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm not you guys trying and find this guy forever. 752 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: Um he's sitting there right there in your lap. Don't 753 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: don't trade off that pick. I don't think there's enough 754 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: to get me out of that pick. No. I mean 755 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, um, based on that, and we'll 756 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: we'll put a pin in this. I want to revisit 757 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: those marquee positions just to see if there's been any change, um, 758 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: in terms of drafting, and if based on that conversation, 759 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: if you were picking in the first round, if you 760 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: would just reserve yourself to picking those kind of players 761 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: until you build out your team. Edge players, offensive tackles, 762 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: guys that can kind of dominate the trenches, and a 763 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: quarterback but not the perimeter peripheral players when it comes 764 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: to building the team. Yeah, I think that's the foundation, right, 765 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: that's the foundation of a championship team with those core positions. 766 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: But um, you know, I'm also we've talked about it 767 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. I remember you made the 768 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: case when se Kwon Barkley was coming out, like it's 769 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: a gold jacket player, you know, just just take a 770 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: gold jacket player, um, when he's there. And I think 771 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: there's something to that as well. I don't want to 772 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to bypass a Hall of Fame type 773 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: player to take somebody just because of the position they play. 774 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: But I mean, if it's relatively close, um, I'm going 775 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: to take the more important position. And that was that 776 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: whole debate, right because I said I would take Sam Donald. 777 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: I think Sae Kwon Barkley is a better football player 778 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: than Sam Donald. But to me, it was close enough. 779 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: Ye when all lean towards the quarterback. Yeah, when it's 780 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: closed in, position of value has to play a role 781 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: in it, for sure. That's a great conversation for another day. Uh, 782 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: anything you want to add before we jump out of here, 783 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: bock No, No, that was great man. Um. I just 784 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: love the conversation about team building. I just love the 785 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: process and I can't wait because this draft is so unique. 786 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: I think we're really going to see the great team 787 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: builders separate themselves from the other guys. And I think 788 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: for years guys have may have been able to hide 789 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: and and kind of move around it because of the 790 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: pro days and workouts and the like. But to me, 791 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: this is a draft that is strictly based off the 792 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: tape and whatever stuff that you're able to gather, um 793 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: background or whatever. This should be the purest NFL drafted 794 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: we've seen in a very very long time when it 795 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: comes to evaluating it the right way, just no one 796 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: thing that if teams screw up this draft, oh, the 797 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 1: analytic folks are gonna have a field day and say, see, 798 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: you needed all of our numbers. If you'd have had 799 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: all of our numbers, with all these pro days and 800 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: all these workouts, then we would have been able to 801 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: save you from all these mistakes. So I'm just I'm 802 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: just telling you right now, if it does not go well, 803 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: the analytic folks are gonna have a field day. But 804 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: what if it does go well, then what then We're 805 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: gonna have an interesting conversation. So it's gonna be fun 806 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: either way. It's gonna be fun however this goes down. Man, 807 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 1: Uh all right, that's gonna do it for us. Today, 808 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: I want to remind you guys, we've got Joe Burrow 809 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: three sixty episode that drops Thursday, uh, April nine, So 810 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: that'll be out tomorrow. Is that right? Are we already 811 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: at Wednesday? I can't keep track of the day. Is Wednesday? Wednesday, 812 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: April eight? So yeah, yeah, Manyana coming out tomorrow, so 813 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: that'll be released. Um. Also, be on the look out 814 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: for the Justin Herbert three sixty if you haven't checked 815 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: that out, that's already out there to of his three 816 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: sixty drops on April. We have Path to the Draft 817 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: each and every night eight pm Eastern on NFL Network. 818 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: We've got Mock Draft Live. Uh. That episode that show 819 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: airs on Tuesdays, and that is at nine pm Eastern 820 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Um so we have plenty of content 821 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: coming your way. If you're into the draft, we've got 822 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: you covered. Do appreciate you guys downloading the Move the 823 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: Sticks podcast. 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