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Speaker 1: Another week, more great guests, A Key to Lead, great

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Speaker 1: reaction to the Rams and Matt Stafford, the Lombardi six

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Speaker 1: er GM, Darryl Morey behind the scenes on how he

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Speaker 1: are interesting. But first, my top takes of the week.

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Speaker 1: When I look at the Rams. I look at them

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Speaker 1: differently than I do Cincinnati. First of all, McVeigh is

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Speaker 1: not going to retire. It's absolute nonsense. He's trying to

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Speaker 1: get a contract extension. His last contract negotiation was rough

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Speaker 1: and he didn't get what he wanted. Stan Cronky, the owner,

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Speaker 1: is a tough negotiator. By the way, less sneed. The

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Speaker 1: GM of the Rams is paid significantly less than somebody

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Speaker 1: with his resume. McVeigh is paid significantly less than somebody

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Speaker 1: with his resume. Aaron Donald is not going to retire.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where everybody's getting these stories. I'll ask

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Speaker 1: a key to leave about Aaron Donald, but I don't

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Speaker 1: buy it. I just think Aaron Donald's too good. He's

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Speaker 1: too passionate. He loves the game. He's hyper competitive. You

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Speaker 1: can see when guys, you can hear when guys are

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Speaker 1: done with the game. I don't think Aaron Donald's retiring.

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Speaker 1: But I look at these two teams differently. I think

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Speaker 1: the best days of the Bengals are obviously ahead. I

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Speaker 1: think the division now we don't know what Cleveland's going

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Speaker 1: to do eventually at quarterback or the Steelers. I think

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati could dominate their division for years, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Rams are in a tougher division. My guess is, if

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll doesn't win this year, Russell Wilson will get

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Speaker 1: an offensive coach in Seattle, Kyler Murray the Niners. Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan has had mcveigh's number for most of it. I

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Speaker 1: think it'll be a tougher ask to get the Rams

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Speaker 1: back into the super Bowl because it's hard. La people

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Speaker 1: get gassed up, they get endorsements. I think they're in

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Speaker 1: first or second best young coach in football, and mcvay's

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Speaker 1: first or second. So you know, if you put Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid and Bill Belichick's division, you know, for a decade,

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's not winning all those divisions, not getting home field,

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Speaker 1: of it. So it's not that the Rams won't be

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Speaker 1: really good, but that division I think is only getting better.

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Speaker 1: he's coming back to Arizona. Russell Wilson will eventually, if

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Speaker 1: he stays, get an offensive coach. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: next ten years with Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor and

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Speaker 1: those receivers. Absolutely. You know, it's funny about these Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: If the Rams didn't drive for the winning touchdown, the

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Speaker 1: story would have been mcvay's insistence on running the football

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Speaker 1: of the second half, right, Like narratives change based on

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Speaker 1: the outcome, but the winners right the final chapter, And

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking, in the second half, the story is

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Speaker 1: and over again. But you know, Stafford changes all that.

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Speaker 1: That's why they upgraded. And I also think what you

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Speaker 1: be honest here. That pass rush gave the Rams more

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Speaker 1: They're just going to call that in that situation. You

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Speaker 1: And then the more you listen to them talk and

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Speaker 1: confide in you, you think to yourself, maybe they're part

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Speaker 1: of the problem. You know, I was thinking about Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 1: His career started with Westbrook and Harden, but Kevin's very

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Speaker 1: even though Westbrook drove him nuts, he never went to

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Speaker 1: he broke him up. Then he goes to Golden State

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Right, it's great, gets into some fights with

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Speaker 1: Draymond Green, but instead of confronting Draymond Green, he left

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Speaker 1: the Dynasty. And what is he left with? Wacky Kyrie Irving,

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Speaker 1: Durant it's on Kevin Durant. I mean the Westbrook situation

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Speaker 1: confrontation is good and passive aggressive is not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant went to the Lakers and said, get me

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Speaker 1: paugas all. Michael Jordan did this on multiple occasions. Get

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Speaker 1: me this and get rid of this guy. Kevin Durant's

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Speaker 1: situation is the Bermuda triangle of weirdness, anti vaxer, flat

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Speaker 1: earther sage in the locker room, Kyrie irving, Ben Simmons

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Speaker 1: key situations in the playoffs, even though he's in his prime.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to feel sorry for people who don't confront

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Speaker 1: look in the mirror. Other thoughts. Kyler Murray making a

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Speaker 1: lot of noise for the Arizona Cardinals. He scrubbed the

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen got money early. Like Josh Allen, I'm getting

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Speaker 1: think winning the trade. You know, that's a media term,

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Speaker 1: but I said, generally, in my life, get the best player.

423
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Speaker 1: I thought you did. And I said, secondly, this is

424
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Speaker 1: a really joyful team. The chemistry is good. I'm just

425
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Speaker 1: adding a really great piece. I said, listen, they gave

426
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Speaker 1: up a lot, but that's a lot of moving parts.

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Speaker 1: And this is the middle of a season. So Daryl,

428
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Speaker 1: my takeaway was, I do think it's easier to ask

429
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Speaker 1: one great player to fit into a great locker room

430
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Speaker 1: than a bunch of parts. Is that how you saw it? Yeah,

431
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Speaker 1: I obviously have a real good sense of how good

432
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Speaker 1: James Harden is. And look, we have Joel Embiid that,

433
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Speaker 1: you know. I think he's going to finish his career

434
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Speaker 1: being talked of as one of the all time great

435
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Speaker 1: big man. I think James Harden's already being talked about

436
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Speaker 1: as one of the all time great perimeter players. You know,

437
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: put them put them together in terms of well you

438
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Speaker 1: give up, I don't think you need to focus on

439
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: that as much when you have an MVP level player.

440
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: I have a short trade deadline story about what we

441
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Speaker 1: gave up to it. Yeah. Yeah, so so it was

442
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Speaker 1: the line of our trade deadline. So obviously we were

443
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Speaker 1: trying to keep you know, Terry Smaxie and yeah and

444
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Speaker 1: Thible out of the deal. Um, you know, and obviously

445
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Speaker 1: my job is to keep track of the future. And

446
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Speaker 1: we ended up, you know, they ended up insisting on

447
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Speaker 1: you know, two first round picks if we didn't include them,

448
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, they're pretty steadfast and at the

449
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Speaker 1: end of the day, you have to either decide to

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Speaker 1: make a deal or pass. And you know we've passed

451
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Speaker 1: many times. So anyway, to get to the point of

452
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Speaker 1: the story, we're debating whether we give up two first

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Speaker 1: round picks. And I'll rewind a couple of days and

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a Western Conference team who we

455
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Speaker 1: liked a player on their team. We offered one first

456
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Speaker 1: for that player. They said no, and I got a

457
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Speaker 1: little b bothered with the GM. I'm like, this guy's

458
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Speaker 1: never gonna give this player up, but I'm just gonna

459
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Speaker 1: offer two first to see to see what happens, you know,

460
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Speaker 1: And very quickly he's like, no to two first. This

461
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Speaker 1: is a player, by the way, that every every two

462
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Speaker 1: K player, Colin Coward, Nick Wright, every human on earth

463
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Speaker 1: would have said, oh my god, you have to give

464
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Speaker 1: that player up for two first. So I just did

465
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Speaker 1: it just to like see and he said no immediately.

466
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Speaker 1: So fast forward to the final day, we're debating two first,

467
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Speaker 1: and one of our great front office people were like, like,

468
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Speaker 1: three days ago, we couldn't even get this player for

469
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Speaker 1: two first. Why are we debating this, Why are we

470
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Speaker 1: even talking about this. We can get James Hard and

471
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Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Fame player, and you're worried and

472
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Speaker 1: we're worried about it. You know, a first in the

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Speaker 1: future that's protected. You know, That's the thing. I am

474
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Speaker 1: very careful. I've never given up an unprotected future first.

475
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Speaker 1: I think that can heard franchises, but you know, protected first,

476
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Speaker 1: we've so even if things fall apart, you know, in

477
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eighty five or whatever, when we give

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Speaker 1: it up, you know it won't be a pick in

479
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Speaker 1: the top of the draft. You know, I said on

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Speaker 1: the air, I said, listen, Seth Curry, maybe you guys

481
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Speaker 1: prize draft picks more. You know, I live in Los Angeles,

482
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Speaker 1: where the Rams just give away first round picks. And

483
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Speaker 1: there takeaway as hell, we're draft and bottom of the

484
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Speaker 1: first round anyway, And I looked at the deal and

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Speaker 1: I thought, what I wouldn't want to give up? What

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Speaker 1: I would have fought for, because I mean, you never

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Speaker 1: want to give up two picks, right. The Curry is

488
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Speaker 1: interesting because I do think in today's modern game he's

489
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Speaker 1: a nice rotational piece. Is that something You lost a

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Speaker 1: night's sleep on the Curry component? Yeah, you have to

491
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Speaker 1: give up something to get something. Seth Curry was amazing

492
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Speaker 1: for us. I mean, yes, one of the best shooters

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Speaker 1: of all time. He's actually getting better even though he's

494
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Speaker 1: thirty two or whatever he is. He came to his

495
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Speaker 1: career later and he's improving. So that was a very

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Speaker 1: tough piece. So so is Drummond, who is giving us

497
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Speaker 1: probably the best minutes behind you while ever. But you know,

498
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Speaker 1: we thought that to take advantage of Dwell in his

499
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Speaker 1: prime over the next several years. You know, we had

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Speaker 1: to win it. We had to have a player like

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Speaker 1: James Harden. So we don't mind like, well, let's say

502
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Speaker 1: people even are all right, let's say we quote unquote overpaid.

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Speaker 1: First off, I don't know what that means. We went

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Speaker 1: from two percent title odds to I think we're sitting

505
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Speaker 1: at thirteen percent right now. So to me, it's like

506
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Speaker 1: very straightforward. Our job is to get ourselves a chance

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Speaker 1: to win the championship. This does it, and you're gonna

508
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Speaker 1: have to give up something to get a player of

509
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Speaker 1: James Harden's caliber. Are you worried a little bit? You

510
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Speaker 1: gave up Ben Simmons. I mean, he wasn't playing this year,

511
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Speaker 1: so you're not really giving up his length. You know,

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Speaker 1: Drummond's a big You know, Ben is a lot of

513
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Speaker 1: length when he did play. Harden's not a great defender.

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Speaker 1: You still have to me, I guess you have embiid thible.

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Speaker 1: I guess probably that's not I always think. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I always think about this, but many of

517
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Speaker 1: the great teams, it's tips, it's a possession, you're battling

518
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Speaker 1: for the ball. That stuff. I think about all the time.

519
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Speaker 1: What is something in this draft or in this trade

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Speaker 1: that most of us in the media wouldn't think about,

521
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: Like late, is something bizarre I think about all the time.

522
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Speaker 1: In this league? Well, you should, I mean, obviously you

523
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Speaker 1: have to have a top defense. We had I think

524
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Speaker 1: the second best defense last year we had fallen to

525
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Speaker 1: nine this year. I think, well, you're describing is why

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Speaker 1: we love Ben Simmons, Like he is a very good player.

527
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Speaker 1: Like that is why you know we would have preferred

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Speaker 1: this didn't happen. It obviously happened, but having his ability

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Speaker 1: to rebound, set the pace deflections. I mean, he's an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable defender, so lots of reasons why. Look, it was

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Speaker 1: a win win trade. You know, I take a step back,

532
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Speaker 1: and you know this column because you're a student of

533
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Speaker 1: multiple sports. A trade is sort of a North American creation.

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00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: That's not totally true, but it's mostly true. It's mostly

535
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Speaker 1: big in North America. It's not really something big in

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Speaker 1: the other sports that are big in the world and

537
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Speaker 1: the like. Some people question, like why do you have trades?

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00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: It's weird or whatever. You couldn't design a more you know,

539
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: Adam Silver should be so happy, right, You couldn't design

540
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: a better reason for a trade than what just happened.

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Speaker 1: Two players who wanted to be in a new situation,

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Speaker 1: who are extremely good players, who will play very well

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Speaker 1: in the other place and not this place. If if

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Speaker 1: this isn't the perfectly designed trade where both us and

545
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn can get better, and the rest of the East,

546
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Speaker 1: I think is nervous. Right now both of us, both

547
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: of us are a lot better, and the rest of

548
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: the East, you know, did moves and moves that improved him,

549
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Speaker 1: but not like the sort of significant moves that Brooklyn

550
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Speaker 1: and you know, Darrel's interesting. I had said this on

551
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Speaker 1: the air joint Taylor and I you're both NBA fans,

552
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: and I said, it's a bad year. I said this

553
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: week ago, it's a bad year for stories. I said,

554
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Speaker 1: the Simons stories. It's not any fun. Kyrie's not any fun,

555
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Speaker 1: James isn't happy, it's not fun, Westbrook's not working in LA.

556
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Speaker 1: I said, this has always been a story league, right, Well,

557
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Speaker 1: today I said on the air, I said, I can't

558
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Speaker 1: wait to watch hard and play with embiid and I'm

559
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Speaker 1: fascinated Ben Simmons surrounded by all these shooters, it's kind

560
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Speaker 1: of a perfect place for him. And so you know

561
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Speaker 1: my takeaway was, yeah, this is they just engineered two stories.

562
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Speaker 1: It hardens an interesting player because in international soccer, if

563
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Speaker 1: you look at Maradonna, Ronaldo Messi, big personalities, everything from

564
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Speaker 1: tax evasion to we know who their girlfriends are Europe's

565
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Speaker 1: ahead of his on this. We understand the stars are

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Speaker 1: dramatic and they're like international royalty. In America, when a

567
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Speaker 1: player's quirky, we're like bad teammate. So when I look

568
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: at Hardened, I'm like, well, when he's engaged ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of his career, he's a Hall of Famer. He is

570
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Speaker 1: not a guy. He's a little bit of an artist.

571
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Speaker 1: He can be moody. But but I think to myself, well,

572
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: that's that's international soccer. All the great players are. Sometimes

573
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Speaker 1: it's our media naive to realize these are the world's

574
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Speaker 1: greatest artists. Athletes are now. It's where all global wealth

575
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: goes to buy teams and that we have to bake in.

576
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Speaker 1: They have needs, they have short careers, they are sensitive

577
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Speaker 1: because they're hyper criticized, and Hardens just what global sports are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think, look, if you take a step back, where

579
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Speaker 1: an entertainment business, and there's a lot of similarities to

580
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: where you live. If you're still living in La I

581
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Speaker 1: assume you are in Hollywood, where you have your Robert

582
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Downnard Juniors, you have your you have your h you

583
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: know the Christian Bale, Christian Bales, Johnny Depp you have

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Speaker 1: these like hyper talented guys, they're just different. A lot

585
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Speaker 1: of what makes them great is because they are different.

586
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Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's absolutely true. And

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Speaker 1: I think I love the notion of a team. I

588
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: think we've all played teams generally, uh and I think

589
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Speaker 1: the teams that you or I on, Colin, I'm not

590
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Speaker 1: trying to dis your sports career, whatever it might have been,

591
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing. I'm guessing you probably didn't play like

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Speaker 1: Elton blant Brand played with, you know, run Our Test

593
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Speaker 1: and lamar Odom when he was a kid. Like the

594
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: teams I'm on. Everyone's there's some better players, some worst players,

595
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: but there's no there's no like you know, future Mozart

596
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: playing on my teams where I'm growing up. And you know,

597
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: these guys like James Harden and the players I can't

598
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: mention because they are on other teams that only you

599
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: can mention they are. They are artists. You know, they're

600
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: they're not matist, they're not matist tibles, but they're but

601
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: they're those a terrible joke, but um, they're but they're

602
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: they are artists. They're different, and you know, I think

603
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: you probably see more of it in Hollywood than than anybody.

604
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: When you look at this team right now, mbiad has

605
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of an injury history. Do you feel

606
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: and Harden is now not twenty four years old, do

607
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: you feel? Listen, this is a two or three year window.

608
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Speaker 1: How do you view the whole thing? I viewed as

609
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: what look the most important years? This year like, we're

610
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Speaker 1: in this phase where I've never seen the NBA so

611
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: wide open. I don't know what you think, Colin, It's

612
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: like basically Phoenix, Golden State, Brooklyn, US, Milwaukee. If you

613
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: look in Vegas right now, pretty much all of us

614
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: have about the same odds and they're all about one

615
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: in six. So it's wide open. You don't see a

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Speaker 1: Golden State, which we kept banging against that wall. You know,

617
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: our Houston teams and prior to that, there was a

618
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: Miami that everyone had to bang their head against. There's

619
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Speaker 1: not a team like that that's sitting at forty fifty

620
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: percent title odds, which can happen in US what it's

621
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Speaker 1: really rare. So it's why open this year is the

622
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: most important. But we've got a good run Hall of

623
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Fame players like James the age well, I mean I

624
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: think if you look at both modern the modern techniques

625
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: that are out there, Hall of Fame level ball handler

626
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: is the best by Q players. There's a few in

627
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: the league I can't mention, but you can say are

628
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: playing at a very high level later into their thirties,

629
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: and so we feel very good. Look, Joel is a

630
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: bigs generally don't last quite as long, especially as you

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Speaker 1: get over seven feet. These years are critical like the

632
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: next few years, and we have I think arguably for

633
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: sure the best perimeter interior combination in the league. Well,

634
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: I bring him on a few times a year. I

635
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: absolutely love him. He's Marcus Thompson. He's the Bay Area

636
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: columnist for The Athletic. He's written a couple of three

637
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: books now that are fantastic. K D. Golden about Steph

638
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Curry and Dynasties, the top ten goat teams that change

639
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: the NBA forever. He's Marcus Thompson. So let's first talk

640
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: about Golden State. So I think there's two teams that

641
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: we would both acknowledge are going to be a handful

642
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Phoenix bring back a lot of chemistry

643
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: from coach to Chris Paul, ascending players, Milwaukee. Similarly, coach culture,

644
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: ascending players, Janus the third team we talk about Golden State.

645
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: My pushback would be and I like him a lot.

646
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: I get the coach, I get the culture, I get

647
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: the stars. But there are two things I have to

648
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: ask you about. One the size or lack thereof, because

649
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: as you know, the playoffs get more physical, size matters.

650
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: And secondly, Clay is not shooting the ball particularly well.

651
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: So let's address the first. Will size end up being

652
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: too big a liability to win a championship for the Warriors? Well,

653
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, size doesn't matter what the Warriors, right, That's

654
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: always been the case. I do wonder if this is

655
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: the year kitches up to him, right? I do wonder

656
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: if after years, year after year of running big guys

657
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: off the league of you know, being too quick and

658
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: shooting too well. I wonder if, like, Okay, this is

659
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: a lot to ask. The real issue isn't really the

660
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: playoffs though. The question I have is because they're playing small, now,

661
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: what will they have when the playoffs come? Because we've

662
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: seen the team do this before, but they have like

663
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: four or five centers to get them through the regular season.

664
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Then a playoff come and it's like, all right, Draymond

665
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: or center, but Draymond hadn't played center all years. So

666
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: now you get guys like Kevon Looney and Draymond and

667
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: the rest is like, you know, a bunch of small,

668
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: small forwards of power forwards. So right, what does what

669
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: does Cavon Looney have left at the end of the year,

670
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: What will Draymond have left come playoff time? That they're

671
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: just banking on what they always bank on. It's Steph,

672
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: it's Clay, it's Draymond, and they're gonna make enough shots,

673
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna run fast enough, and then the crunch time,

674
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna play good enough defense and they'll win. That.

675
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: That's been the bet the old time. So there's they're

676
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: doubling down on it. Now It's gonna be tough. I

677
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: think Clay listen, we all had a question what kind

678
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: of year would it be for Clay? He's shooting forty

679
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: two percent from the field and thirty seven percent from three.

680
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: You watch him every game, you see him at practice.

681
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: Is there another gear this year? There is? You could

682
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: see part of his issue is it was almost like

683
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Clay's like, uh, what's my man? Chris Evans, You know,

684
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: you know Captain America. Like, remember he was in the

685
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: freezing chamber, right, He's like frozen and he comes back

686
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: he's like, what year is this? And Clay's mind it's

687
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Like he it's like he was frozen. So

688
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: he's still thinking, Yo, I got this twenty foot step back,

689
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I got to pull up three in transition. I hit

690
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: these shots. But he's got some time to get that,

691
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: so he's not really doing a thing where it's like,

692
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: all right, let me work myself back, let me kind

693
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: of paste myself, let me find my spots on the floor,

694
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: get my rhythm. Clay came back like, nah, bro, I'm

695
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: the same guy from twenty nineteen, and I think he's

696
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: having a little clash with that reality that maybe he's not.

697
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: And there's moments where he is that's kind of egging

698
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: him on, right, like against the Lakers, he was that guy,

699
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: but since then he has a bit. So it's just

700
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: I think it's all kind of expected for a guy

701
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: who having been twe and a half years playing. But

702
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: it looks I'll tell you this, if they don't have

703
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: another gear out of Clay Thompson, that's going to be

704
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: really difficult to overcome. He's too important. They need him

705
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: to take another gear to get closer to the guy

706
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: we remember than where he is right now. You know,

707
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I always felt Andrew Wiggins had the

708
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: personality of a great three or a solid two. I

709
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: never thought he was a one. I've said the same thing.

710
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Davis is the best two potentially in

711
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: the league. He doesn't want to be a one. He

712
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: doesn't put the time in, he doesn't want that kind

713
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: of burden. But when Wiggins got there, initially he was

714
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: viewed kind of as an eventual trade piece. Do you

715
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: mark When was the moment that you think the brain

716
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: trust in Golden State said, shit, he's he's a great three.

717
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: Some nights he's the world's best four. Like what what

718
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: was the stretch? Because I feel like now he'll be

719
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: a valuable piece in the playoffs. Yeah, I think they

720
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: believed it. I think they were convinced last year when

721
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: the Warriors went fifteen and five down the stretch. He

722
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: made a lot of big shots. To keep in mind,

723
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Stephan didn't have much with him, right, Draymond was not

724
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: an offensive weapon last year by even his own admission,

725
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: So you know, he was pretty bad. If Draymond was

726
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: like yo, I sucked and that was it. No Clay

727
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: they were banking on, like Jordan Poole's a youngster, like

728
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: not really in his in his prime yet, and it

729
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: was it was Steph and he did some help, and

730
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: it was Wiggins. But I do think they always thought

731
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: it would be him. I don't know how much of

732
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: it is because of Wiggins or because they liked this

733
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: idea that when you come to the Warriors you reach

734
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: another level, right, So it's not it's not it's like,

735
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: hey man, Wiggins, we saw who you were. Everybody down

736
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: at you, but now you with us, right, So we

737
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: want to show that our system, our culture is different,

738
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: and he's kind of the poster chout for that. So

739
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: I think they always believe that. I personally had this

740
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: debate in the locker room with Warriors owner Joe lacol

741
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: right where he's telling me I'm gonna be wrong. I

742
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: even had to say I was wrong, like all right,

743
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think Wiggas would be this good. I just

744
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: didn't see it, so right. I know. I know they

745
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: thought this from the beginning. They thought they had a steal.

746
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: They thought they got a great player. They thought he'd

747
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: be perfect. But I think it was convincing last year

748
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: because he played the best ball he'd ever played, and

749
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: he committed to defense in a way you just didn't see.

750
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: You're right. So it's supposed to get the one up

751
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota right to be like, man, it was Minnesota's fault.

752
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: So now this is like the Warriors version of Membershire

753
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: Knight when he got on the stage and he was like,

754
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: if you don't want the executive producer all in the video,

755
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: they come to death. That's essentially Wiggins is their way

756
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: of saying that to the rest of the league, you

757
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: don't like how your career is going, you think you're

758
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: being underutilize, Come to the Wars. We will resumenate your career.

759
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: Come play with Steph Curry, Clay Thoms and Dray Brod

760
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: Green and watch your career take off. Well, it's a

761
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: little Stafford of the Rams. Dante absolutely O b J.

762
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. I will. I don't think it's I think

763
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: Steve Kers collaborative. I think Sean mcvayh is. I think

764
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: it's the California way. I think that's the way the world,

765
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: the California economy. We're not authoritarian. It's a more collaborative

766
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: kind of mission. It's a more tolerant state. And I

767
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: think the Rams do that. It's interesting with the Warriors

768
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: because they're real twitchy. I look at the Kevin Durant

769
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: thing now, and I think, God, he's got to be

770
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: looking at this thinking if I was with Golden State

771
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, seriously, now, when you wrote the

772
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: book KD and I think we've talked about this, do

773
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: you think he is the kind of guy that has regret?

774
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think he would allow himself to

775
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: have these moments by himself thinking, Man, that team, all

776
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: that team needs is length. I mean that team would

777
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: be I can no, it would be crazy. So they

778
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: would The Jordan Pool pick was the year after we left,

779
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: so they would still they would have Jordan Pool if

780
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: he stayed, right, they wouldn't have Wiseman. They wouldn't have Wiseman,

781
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have Wiggins. I mean, they'd still have Kevin Durant,

782
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: which is better than whatever they would have had. Right. So,

783
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: but do you think do you think he looks at

784
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: that Kyrie staff exchange now with any regret? I don't know.

785
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I think I think Kyde's still too stubborn to do that, right.

786
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I still think he's like, I'm the best in the league,

787
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: so let me show you why it don't matter. There

788
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: might be that voice. I think the other voice is louder,

789
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: the other voice that I'm the best in the game,

790
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: like the other voice that says I deserve this right,

791
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: like I'm too nice to be part of this collaborative situation.

792
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: And also think he's just tight with Kyrie, like in

793
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: the end, Katie, you know, I think he likes playing

794
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: with his friends. He likes the relationships. He likes off

795
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: the court stuff too, and Kyrie's his friends. So I

796
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: can't say what's happening privately. I think it'd be crazy

797
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: to think he's not thinking that I just what I

798
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: do here. But there's a louder voice that says I'm

799
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: the best in the game, and I'm gonna show y'all,

800
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: almost show y'all laughter in the playoffs. But I wore

801
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: a side seven eighteen instead of seventeen, right, so you

802
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: watch what I'm gonna do in the playoffs. And if

803
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: I got anything with me, I'm gonna proof to y'all

804
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: how great I am to me. I feel like that's

805
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: the pervasive mindset of Kadi. It's just he's gonna be great.

806
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: Do you think the Ben Simmons thing works? Absolutely? Absolutely?

807
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Think what better could you put next to Katie besides

808
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: and Kyrie, besides the guy who don't meet shots? Right?

809
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, here's a guy who's gonna play defense, work hard,

810
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: and he's got a chip on the shows, he's got

811
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: something to prove, and he's six foot ten like, and

812
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, there is no question where that

813
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: ball is going, right, There's no other possible person to

814
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 1: say that. You don't have to worry about Bisiness Simon

815
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: and saying I got this, y'all. He's gonna look to pass.

816
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: And I do think when they were working it's because

817
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Harden had the ball and he was like a point guard.

818
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Remember Kyrie was like, hey man, you're the point guard.

819
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: Because Harden's got that in this game where he just say, look,

820
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm just distribute. That's Ben Simmons, right, And I do

821
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: feel like that's a better fit because it's better defensively,

822
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: it's better size, and he's got he's got something to prove.

823
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: He ain't trying to get out of there like James

824
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: harden was. I do think that's a big difference. See,

825
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: I think I just worry about all the um there's

826
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: so many moving parts with Brooklyn. I look at Hardened

827
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia and I'm like, shit, good locker room star,

828
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: big veteran coach. I do wish they would have retained

829
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: Steph Curry. Seth Curry, that's a big blow, it really is.

830
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: But I think Philadelphia is gonna work pretty quick. Your

831
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: thoughts on that, yes, I do think so. The only

832
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: worry I have I agree one, Seth Curry, that hurt,

833
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Like that's the part of the deal you kind of

834
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: gotta do to do it. But it's like run, you

835
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: know if the best deals hurt both parties, right, So

836
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: that's one of them situations where that that hurts a

837
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: little bit. The only remaining worry I have is what

838
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: happens with Tyrese Maxie because he was kind of flourishing

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Speaker 1: as the point guard right as the playmaker, and now

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Speaker 1: he's pretty much got to step aside. One of those

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Speaker 1: dudes have to go off the ball and kind of

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Speaker 1: be like a spot up is type of players. So

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how this works. It didn't work

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Speaker 1: that well with Chris Paul and James Harden, and it

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Speaker 1: didn't work that well with James Harden and Kyrie. But

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Speaker 1: Tyrese Maxie isn't a superstar to be able to kind

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Speaker 1: of demand anything out of the situation, right, So James

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Speaker 1: Harden is gonna get to do whatever he wants. So

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Speaker 1: what happens to Tyrese Maxie. That's if they figure that out.

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Speaker 1: If Maxie can be good off the ball, if he

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Speaker 1: could be some kind of last year, if he can

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Speaker 1: knock down open shots, then it's fine. But they're kind

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Speaker 1: of I mean, they're like already baked cookies, man, like

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Speaker 1: you put them in the oven. They're gonna go just

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Speaker 1: because it's already there. And they have the big they

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Speaker 1: have the dominant big man. I do think that's a

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Speaker 1: big difference than in the dominant guard per se. How

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Speaker 1: do you look at the Lakers? Listen, the rosters old,

859
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Speaker 1: the chemistry's average. Westbrook can't play off the ball, a

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Speaker 1: D can't stay healthy. It is a weak front office

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Speaker 1: man like post Kobe. Any problem they call next Laker.

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Speaker 1: It's the opposite of the Warriors. Like I said, I've

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Speaker 1: been saying this now for a couple of months. The

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Speaker 1: Rams had a parade yesterday. The Lakers are ninth in

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Speaker 1: the West, and there's a story out that they're gonna

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Speaker 1: bring the same team back. I would move a D.

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Speaker 1: It sounds crazy, I think I honestly, Marcus think the

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Speaker 1: pandemic did them a huge favor. It gave four months

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Speaker 1: off to a D. He's never proven he can play

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Speaker 1: in the last four years. A full season he got healthy.

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Speaker 1: Lebron Old got healthy. Like, it's not like the trade

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Speaker 1: didn't work. You got a title. I would move a

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Speaker 1: D and blow the damn thing up. How do you

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Speaker 1: view them going forward? I think they need a piece,

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Speaker 1: another piece that prevents Lebron having to carry this team

876
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Speaker 1: on his back in February, right, And that's what Westbrook

877
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be, a guy who'd be like, all right, man,

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Speaker 1: look I'm not about to go all out right now,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm thirty seven years old. I'm like that

880
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Speaker 1: only smiles on me. You need me in the playoffs.

881
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: And here he does. He has to be this herculean

882
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Speaker 1: figure in the fourth quarter, right, Ad goes down. Now

883
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: now he's now he's pretty much screwed. Like Lebron can't

884
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Speaker 1: afford to tweak anything. So I think they need another

885
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Speaker 1: player who can carry the load. And both Anthony Davis

886
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Speaker 1: has proven he can't stay healthy and Russell Westbrook seems

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Speaker 1: to be past the moment where he's carrying teams. So

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Speaker 1: that's the difficult part. How do you get that other player?

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Speaker 1: If you got to do a d to get him,

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Speaker 1: then that player needs to be pretty young, right, You

891
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Speaker 1: need to get somebody who can carry the ship, because

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Speaker 1: that was the plan. It was supposed to be a

893
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Speaker 1: torch passing, right, it was supposed to be ran pass

894
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Speaker 1: the church. Now it's very clear that you cannot pass

895
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Speaker 1: the torch to Anthony Davis. He's incredible, he's just not reliable.

896
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Speaker 1: He just can't keep him on the court. So I

897
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Speaker 1: don't know if I give him up, because like you said,

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Speaker 1: he's the best number two player, But then how are

899
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Speaker 1: you gonna get that other figure without giving them up?

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Speaker 1: By the way, I understood taking Zion over John Morant

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Speaker 1: because here's my theory. Iverson John wall Westbrook, John Morant,

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Speaker 1: Steph Marberry, no titles. Biggs, Steph Curry got one without

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Speaker 1: a big But in the last twenty years, Duncan's got four,

911
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Speaker 1: Shack's got three, Gassau, even Kobe needed Biggs like I

912
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Speaker 1: got it, like I was one of these. I got

913
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff with Zion, but I also said

914
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Speaker 1: his torque, his power, his weight is an issue. Do

915
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Speaker 1: you classify? Is Zion a bust? If you consider everything

916
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Speaker 1: from the family to this health to the injuries in

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Speaker 1: your space in this league? Do people think bust? Not?

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Speaker 1: I think you've seen too much of the potential, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's hard until these days how much of this is

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Speaker 1: like actual and how much of it is I don't

921
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Speaker 1: want to play for New Orleans anymore, right, like we could.

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Speaker 1: You just don't know these days. But when you saw

923
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Speaker 1: him and he shooting sixty seven percent from the field, right,

924
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Speaker 1: it's like Will yeah, like if you just get him

925
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Speaker 1: on the court and he didn't even know how to

926
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Speaker 1: play basketball yet. So I think it's too early, and

927
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Speaker 1: we're starting to see these things in the league where

928
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Speaker 1: maybe a guy five years later figure it out and

929
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Speaker 1: he gets to say, you guys wrote me off. I

930
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Speaker 1: think so there's a there's a hesitant. I mean, you

931
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Speaker 1: look at Andrew Wiggins is one of them right where

932
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Speaker 1: it's like he's an All Star starter now, I mean

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Speaker 1: it happens a little bit. Yeah, So I think there's

934
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Speaker 1: a there's far more patience, But it's tough. It does

935
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Speaker 1: feel a little Greg Oden kd right Jah and Zion

936
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Speaker 1: where it's like you gotta go big, like it's a

937
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: big league, you gotta go big. But man, that perimeter,

938
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Speaker 1: dude looks really good. And so now you're seeing Jah

939
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Speaker 1: look like an MVP candidate. We ain't seen Zion since,

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Speaker 1: you know, since before the pandemic. So it's tough. I

941
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Speaker 1: don't think I don't think it's it's bust labeled yet.

942
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Speaker 1: I think he we we just need to know what

943
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Speaker 1: the injury status is and when he's coming back. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know a player that would rush back to

945
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Speaker 1: New Orleans, Like, I don't know the worst culture in

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Speaker 1: the league. Do you think it's the worst culture in

947
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Speaker 1: the league. I think the management is a little I

948
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Speaker 1: think the ownership and management. I mean, first off, like

949
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Speaker 1: the Saints are the priority of the French of the ownership, right,

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Speaker 1: Like that's that's that's a tough pill to swallow, Like

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the most lit New Orleans is it's

952
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Speaker 1: Marty Grads Saints games at LSU games, right, So I

953
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Speaker 1: think it's just tough. But I do think the team

954
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Speaker 1: is pretty good, and I do think Pelicans fans are

955
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Speaker 1: pretty good. Like I've been to playoff games there, like

956
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: they ride with their team. So I do think they

957
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Speaker 1: have some issues with the fact that the Saints owner

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Speaker 1: owns the Pelicans, and it's very clear what the priority is, right,

959
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Speaker 1: and it's tough to kind of put everything behind your

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Speaker 1: your Pelicans guy. So we've seen Anthony Davis leave and

961
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: we're seeing Zion or we're not seeing them in New Orleans, right,

962
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: So there's got to be something behind the scenes. But

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Speaker 1: I do think they're a really good young team and

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Speaker 1: they're really engaging when they're good. The place is great,

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's just you know, I like going to

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, so I'm hoping the Pelicans are good again.

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Speaker 1: All right. Marcus Thompson touched all the bases. Three books,

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Speaker 1: of my favorite guys. And I love having you. Man.

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Speaker 1: Now you're standing for this thing. I am worried about

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Speaker 1: your band. For Kylie, you know what I'm saying. Any

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Speaker 1: other play, I'm just having a seat. But for Kylin Cowe,

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Speaker 1: we out here, we're standing up. Man. We in an energy.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm ready, let's go. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate that. Thank you. That's dedication right there. Look

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Speaker 1: at it. I'm wanting some feet. That's funny, just kind

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Speaker 1: of got you are I'm a stand up gentleman. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Boom and we close with that. Thanks man,

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