Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Liza Trigger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank And every week it's SVU recaps
Speaker 1: true crime, deep dives and interviews with fun people. But
Speaker 1: first it's occasionally freaking out about what's going on in
Speaker 1: the world, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Catching up. I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1: This is, you know, obviously we record like not the
Speaker 1: day before the episodes come out, So this is the
Speaker 1: day after the election here in LA and we don't
Speaker 1: have the final results yet, but nothing's looking good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why we can't have nice things, like
Speaker 1: why can't we You guys got a mom Donnie we
Speaker 1: just wanted am.
Speaker 2: I mean, but Mom Donnie is an angel, but like
Speaker 2: just not Spencer Pratt. It's like two, Like, yes, I
Speaker 2: think you would have been fine if it was just
Speaker 2: like a sewer rat I think is better than this guy.
Speaker 2: And I can't believe there's that many people in la
Speaker 2: including a hairstylist we know that are like, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: the he's smart.
Speaker 3: So do these people think that they're so stupid that he's.
Speaker 2: Better than them? I he's the option, Like, what is it?
Speaker 2: What is it? Did they do too many mushrooms at
Speaker 2: Joshua Tree?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 2: I think they're like, well, they're all rich I assume, yes,
Speaker 2: regious ciders.
Speaker 1: Mostly it's mostly rich Westsiders, and they like hate on
Speaker 1: house people and think that he's got the same views
Speaker 1: as them. At the same time, it's like an embarrassingly
Speaker 1: low number of people that have voted, Like I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 2: But there's also a lot of people that are like
Speaker 2: me and have my beliefs. I still wouldn't want them
Speaker 2: to lead my city. I know.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why that I want to have a
Speaker 3: beer with him. I don't know.
Speaker 2: We feel the same way about the homeless, like, okay,
Speaker 2: can he read?
Speaker 3: Can he?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I mean, anti intellectualism has been an issue for a while,
Speaker 2: and I learned that because of Friendly Bullet's in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: But yes, it's like how much further anti smart? Like
Speaker 2: I don't get why we don't want people smarter than
Speaker 2: us leading. I don't get that. Yeah, people have so
Speaker 2: much to say about Nithia.
Speaker 1: It's like she like went to Harvard and mit, she's
Speaker 1: an urban planner, Like she has more experience than a
Speaker 1: guy who sold crystals. I don't know, can't we talk
Speaker 1: about this. We've talked about this guy a lot. I
Speaker 1: just like think it's also just sad, Like I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the election results that have been updated as of
Speaker 1: seven am that day after the election. I mean only
Speaker 1: it's like the votes are like four hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: in a city of millions, Like they're really just aren't
Speaker 1: that many, and like only sixty percent of the votes
Speaker 1: have been tallied.
Speaker 3: But like I'll be surprised.
Speaker 2: If like the fact that it's even this close and
Speaker 2: there is insane.
Speaker 1: It's insane, I know. So I think I think that,
Speaker 1: like if it does end up being Bass versus Pratt,
Speaker 1: she'll win. But then I get Hillary Trump PTSD because
Speaker 1: like we said, how could this possibly happen? You know,
Speaker 1: and now it's like literally the exact same thing. And
Speaker 1: people hate Bass, I would say more than they hated
Speaker 1: Hillary because she's already been the mayor, Like she's the incumbent,
Speaker 1: so people don't like what she's been doing.
Speaker 3: Oh so anyway, it's annoying. It's sad. A lot of
Speaker 3: people were texting me that they were freaking out.
Speaker 2: But I also don't even know how he has the
Speaker 2: money to run, oh because he's being funded like most
Speaker 2: from people outside of California or LA, like it's Republican
Speaker 2: people they like love to see LA look stupid and
Speaker 2: like suffer because we're like a symbol of.
Speaker 3: I don't know, liberalism. Yeah, shit, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, California should really stop funding the rest of the country. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think California should stop sending their happy cow cheese
Speaker 2: and stop funding.
Speaker 3: I think to stop helping. I think we should sustge.
Speaker 3: I do too. I think we should succeed.
Speaker 1: If we're the seventh largest economy in the world, let's
Speaker 1: go on our let's go solo.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, someone there's a comment. He's always annoying.
Speaker 2: He's just a friend of a friend. So I try
Speaker 2: to be open and like, you know, see, yeah, like
Speaker 2: I want to try to understand.
Speaker 3: He's just so fucking annoying. But he lives in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Everywhere to live in New York is fine, but he
Speaker 2: was like, when you live in Manhattan, like I live
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, it feels nice, Like it feels nice to
Speaker 2: like leave and be like I'm in my little home.
Speaker 3: Do you get that? Like do you ever?
Speaker 2: And I go, no, I'm in the center of the
Speaker 2: universe and I walk home from all of my spots.
Speaker 3: And then he felt stupid. I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2: I don't hate Brooklyn, but you're trying to make it
Speaker 2: seem terrible that I live, like and probably, yeah, I
Speaker 2: was just like so annoying to me, so annoying to me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just like to leave and be like in my
Speaker 2: quiet little pocket. And it's like, okay, I like to
Speaker 2: see Spike Lee on my street, you dumb bitch. And
Speaker 2: then when I was like, well, I walk home every day,
Speaker 2: he was like, oh fuck. And it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know why you're trying to compete. You will always lose.
Speaker 2: You will always lose, Like I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah this way, where does Where did you go?
Speaker 2: And then he goes, but don't you want to like
Speaker 2: live close to your friends? I go, I mean people
Speaker 2: want to come here but it's like it doesn't kill
Speaker 2: me to go to to Brooklyn, Like no, it's like
Speaker 2: three stops on the d R end, Like what are
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn? It's you know, he bothers me bleep the
Speaker 2: name came see but like, you know, my good friend
Speaker 2: like fucking loves I.
Speaker 1: You think it's so crazy to act like you are
Speaker 1: leaving the hustle bustle of Manhattan to go to like
Speaker 1: what uh quiet hamlet in upstate New York when you're
Speaker 1: going to Brooklyn, Like it's also part of the city,
Speaker 1: Like what it's like so a part of it?
Speaker 3: I go to dinner.
Speaker 2: But my friend's he's like, don't you don't you want
Speaker 2: to be close like to your friends, And I'm like
Speaker 2: I don't. I that's irrelevant. We're in a city. I
Speaker 2: have friends off the l that's one stop.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I lived on the Upper West Side and
Speaker 1: no one lived around.
Speaker 3: The point is what are you trying to do? What
Speaker 3: are you trying to do?
Speaker 2: That's where I'm coming from, Like what what game are
Speaker 2: you trying to play?
Speaker 1: The Brooklyn is more ideal than Manhattan game, I gues sure, and.
Speaker 2: Then you lose because I know what you want and
Speaker 2: it's like you will never have the life I have,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you'll never like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, you'll never walk home from your spots.
Speaker 3: I guess like it's no. But I also would.
Speaker 2: Never act like this because Brooklyn's awesome and I love
Speaker 2: my friend's apartments and I love going to places there,
Speaker 2: and it's I don't see it as this thing, but
Speaker 2: I just like, why.
Speaker 3: Are we at dinner and you're trying to like do
Speaker 3: something weird.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, I just yeah from Spencer Well,
Speaker 2: I was thinking, wow, I just love mom, Donnie, And
Speaker 2: then I was like this, mother, I just like separating myself.
Speaker 3: Don't you feel that?
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, if I did, I would do
Speaker 2: it because it's not that hard to live in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like if I wanted
Speaker 2: to separate, I could, but that's not what I want
Speaker 2: because I like to walk downstairs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't even understand the amount of dogs I
Speaker 2: saw today and like so many cute Well I was reading,
Speaker 2: so I was reading at the outside the coffee shop.
Speaker 2: I would say fifteen just like yeah, fifteen dogs like
Speaker 2: top line dogs, English bulldogs, Weeni dogs. One sat next
Speaker 2: to me while the guy went into the coffee shop
Speaker 2: and he let the dog sit with me.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just like heaven secret life of
Speaker 1: pets happening for Oh my god, like lives I have
Speaker 1: secret lives.
Speaker 3: I love it. Wait, I really want to see Stop
Speaker 3: that Train. Well crazy.
Speaker 2: I was sitting at my coffee shops uh last week,
Speaker 2: and the writer of that movie walked in. She's like
Speaker 2: with she's dating a man. I know, like I know
Speaker 2: both of them, but like they both walked in. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. And they were there for
Speaker 2: the New York premiere and I can't. Yeah, I'm definitely
Speaker 2: gonna see it. Of course you're going to see it.
Speaker 2: In what world would you not have seen it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: It's just like it comes out like the day I
Speaker 1: leave for a cross country road trip, and so I
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm sure you're gonna have to leave your kids
Speaker 2: in a hotel at one day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna be at like the Grand Canyon and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like looking up an AMC.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be.
Speaker 2: I still haven't seen Devil Wor's Prota two. I have
Speaker 2: to see Obsession. I want to see back rooms.
Speaker 3: You still haven't seen Devil Wors Prota two.
Speaker 2: No, I've been busy reading, well not even I have
Speaker 2: a lot of jobs. I work, I do show yeahs,
Speaker 2: I try. I just like haven't had the time to go.
Speaker 2: I would love it, But I also now have an
Speaker 2: urge to see Obsession even more.
Speaker 3: White Why because it's enticing I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Obsession that's amazing and what my and I've been hearing
Speaker 1: that it's amazing, and I've actually heard it's better than
Speaker 1: back rooms if you can only pick one. It's about
Speaker 1: like going to obsession, according to my friend. But I
Speaker 1: just wondered when you said even more. I thought maybe
Speaker 1: there was like something that you heard about it or
Speaker 1: something recently that made you want to go see it more.
Speaker 3: No, I think just the element of surprise, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Devil Wars proud Of for me is nostalgia and then
Speaker 2: I have a friend in it, so that's exciting and
Speaker 2: that should trump a surprise.
Speaker 3: But I guess not.
Speaker 2: When I saw Mortal Kombat too ahead of it, It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening to me.
Speaker 1: The yeah, because you saw Mortal Kombat That's why I
Speaker 1: was confused.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't want to see the Devils it in
Speaker 2: Vegas in a strip.
Speaker 3: Mall right, yeah, I want to see it in New
Speaker 3: York City.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. My niece sent me a photo and
Speaker 2: she's like, can I have this dress? And it's the
Speaker 2: dress I wore for like my eighth grade graduation, and
Speaker 2: it's so cute that my clothes level.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, for a while she was like
Speaker 2: everything you have is disgusting except your big sweatshirts, and
Speaker 2: then now she's like, can I have this dress?
Speaker 3: And then like, yeah, it's so exciting.
Speaker 1: I was just looking up the writer from Stop That Train,
Speaker 1: and I don't know who either of these writers are,
Speaker 1: but I'm seeing that Simone is listed as a star.
Speaker 1: Did I even tell you in my when I was
Speaker 1: telling you the story about my night at Fat Slut
Speaker 1: that I was just talking to somebody for like five
Speaker 1: minutes and it was Simone and I like just didn't
Speaker 1: recognize her, damn. And we were just talking and then
Speaker 1: I like turned around and my friend goes, I think
Speaker 1: she like won drag race, and I go, is that
Speaker 1: fucking Simone? She was yeah, You've been talking to her
Speaker 1: for like five minutes. I was like, I turned back
Speaker 1: around and I was like, Simone, I'm sorry. I was like,
Speaker 1: we've met before. I can't believe I didn't say like
Speaker 1: I didn't like realized it was you.
Speaker 3: She was like, it's not no word.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, we met at the Bros premiere remember,
Speaker 1: but like she was like in her boy drag, so
Speaker 1: it was hard to you know, and looked different, has
Speaker 1: like a different hairstyle, and I was like very thrown off,
Speaker 1: but exciting that she's a lead in this movie.
Speaker 3: What other queens are in it? I'm orange yet? Who else?
Speaker 2: Roc Klane, Jane and Jimbo performed at like pier Something
Speaker 2: was having a heated rivalry Pride Night.
Speaker 3: Jujub's in it.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So Brooklyn Heights goes by brock hah on
Speaker 1: on IMDb. So interesting to not go by your drag
Speaker 1: name on IMDb, because some people do, most people do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was also this drag queen who is on with
Speaker 2: one of the queen it's all mixing together, but she
Speaker 2: was kind of shading on all the queens that do
Speaker 2: boy drag and aren't dressing up for their podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 2: But then other people are like, that's the dream, Like
Speaker 2: you're so famous, you can be in your boy drag
Speaker 2: And so I thought that was interesting and I'm not
Speaker 2: a part of the culture, so I could care do
Speaker 2: whatever you want. Oh my god, did you see the
Speaker 2: clip from Langston and David Borri's podcasts and Bob's on it.
Speaker 3: When they're talking about hot rappers.
Speaker 2: No, She's basically like, Langston, do you think you're a
Speaker 2: good looking guy?
Speaker 3: How good looking do you think you are?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: Are you a six?
Speaker 2: And He's like no, I'm like an E And like
Speaker 2: they're debating how hot and then Bob's like, do you
Speaker 2: think you're hotter than everyone in this room? And David's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you trying to do at this podcast?
Speaker 3: But it's like very very fun and I love Bob.
Speaker 1: So, guys, just buddy that you've said that, because Luscio's
Speaker 1: Massacre was on Bob's podcast and was like shading people
Speaker 1: that go out and boy drag and Bobby that's who
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: That's the tiff that I see. I watch ye, and
Speaker 2: so I was like curious at your point of.
Speaker 3: View about that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, like I think that what Lush just
Speaker 1: was talking about, Like you know Tricksy and Katya do
Speaker 1: their podcast. I think when you get to a certain
Speaker 1: level of fame, Yeah, that's the fucking dream. People recognize
Speaker 1: you and whatever you're wearing, like, and that's the dream.
Speaker 3: And getting in drag is so fucking hard and painful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob's book is every bookstore I go to, like
Speaker 2: Front and Center.
Speaker 3: It's incredible. Oh, really really cool.
Speaker 1: Wait, we gotta wait, but did you see the clip
Speaker 1: of Bory and Langston and Bob talking about who's the
Speaker 1: hottest rapper?
Speaker 3: Know who?
Speaker 1: They say? Oh, it was hilarious. It's like one of
Speaker 1: the most hilarious conversations.
Speaker 3: Bory is like Bory's like, I think I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: With method Man, and like method Man is hot, and
Speaker 1: like Bob is like method Man, Like Bob cannot believe it.
Speaker 1: He's gagged and he's like, wait, I think I got
Speaker 1: to look up what method Man looks like. And then
Speaker 1: they never like yeah, okay, and then it was just hilarious,
Speaker 1: like I can't, like I really can't.
Speaker 3: I feel like I guess Magic is cute but not hot.
Speaker 1: Chance yes, And then Langston or I think, Langston said
Speaker 1: not jay Z No, No, no, he said, oh why
Speaker 1: am I blinking? Why am I blinking? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Tupac's hot?
Speaker 1: Does it have to be alive? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Tupac also, or but I would
Speaker 1: want to have sex with fifty cent. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's the top hot, but he's and he's
Speaker 1: like so so jacked asap asap.
Speaker 3: Rocky is hot. Yeah, that's who Langston said.
Speaker 1: Langston was like Ace and then they were like, okay,
Speaker 1: now we can all get on the same page. Like,
Speaker 1: now we can all get on the same page. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's Tupac for me. Yeah, I was trying
Speaker 1: to think. I mean, like, I just love Luda so much.
Speaker 1: I don't think Luda's like necessarily like the hottest. I
Speaker 1: just like love his actual He's a little guy. He's
Speaker 1: a little guy. I mean, I think Chance is pretty
Speaker 1: little and he wasn't I said, he's cute, not hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I also only know like seven rappers, so this isn't fair.
Speaker 2: Like I'm looking at a list of rappers and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know these people. Oh yeah, like I don't
Speaker 2: know who. I mean, Cardi b is the hottest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were talking about dudes. They were doing dudes. But
Speaker 2: oh speaking well and bob best friend Matteo. It was
Speaker 2: announced as we're recording today. I already got my tickets
Speaker 2: ahead of time, so there was no issues. But Matteo
Speaker 2: Lane is Billy Flynn in Chicago the musical on Broadway for.
Speaker 1: I already sent him a text in Italian to congratulate him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he loved that. Yeah, that's like so exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really fucking he's perfect and we got I
Speaker 2: got orchestra Rosy, so.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be able to like see you. I hope. No,
Speaker 3: it's to the side.
Speaker 2: I don't think he can focused on the audio, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like pandemonium.
Speaker 3: Maybe at the end, I don't know. I was debating.
Speaker 2: I had a limit for how much I wanted to
Speaker 2: spend because I want to see it a few times,
Speaker 2: and it was like front row mezzanine and her clothes,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I think I'd rather see my
Speaker 2: friend close.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do we know does do it? Does? Yeah? Chris Roxy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's Christa Rodriguez. I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she was on Caleb's podcast and so that's
Speaker 2: how I knew about her and I loved their episode.
Speaker 2: So I'm super excited that it's not a Mormon housewife
Speaker 2: and an actual Broadway star because I saw it with
Speaker 2: arionomatics and like fine, fun whatever, but like, I'm excited
Speaker 2: to see this like actual Broadway superstar.
Speaker 3: Oh and she was in Smash, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Okay, So today, while you're listening to this, it is
Speaker 2: my mom's birthday. So I am like just scrolling Instagram
Speaker 2: and I see a post kind of shitting on the
Speaker 2: Target Pride collection and like the things that they're selling,
Speaker 2: and someone's videotaping this thing and going, is this really
Speaker 2: what you're fucking selling? Target? This is so stupid, And
Speaker 2: it's because they're uncultured. It is two little birds in
Speaker 2: a boat and they're dressed like the ending of the
Speaker 2: movie Some Like It Hot, which is my mom's number
Speaker 2: one favorite movie. So I get to gift her like
Speaker 2: little cute birds dressed as Jack Lemon and whoever that
Speaker 2: other actor is in the end of the movie, like
Speaker 2: the famous scene, Like, well, nobody's perfect and there's a
Speaker 2: little boat, and I feel like my mom is gonna
Speaker 2: lose her mind.
Speaker 3: And I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Wait, you said they're little ducks, they're little birds. Are
Speaker 2: like little birds here. I'll send you the link because
Speaker 2: they're like so fucking cute. But I didn't know why
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I also love that somebody trying to like shit on
Speaker 1: the Target Pride collection brought you to spending more money
Speaker 1: at Target.
Speaker 3: But I don't.
Speaker 2: But I don't know the references of the other birds,
Speaker 2: Like there's a bunch, there's a lot of birds in this. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me go to the here. I just sent you
Speaker 2: the link to the sun like a hot birds. You
Speaker 2: can look at it too, Gay, that should take me
Speaker 2: to I'm gonna dop. My mom's gonna lose her mind.
Speaker 2: Like there's it was hard not to buy me one too.
Speaker 2: But I know I don't need them. I don't need it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really would like you to film a
Speaker 1: reaction video.
Speaker 2: Well, she might be confused. No, she'll get it right away.
Speaker 2: There's no way we watch it.
Speaker 1: She's watched it for Oh the little birds in the
Speaker 1: boat Okay, okay, how do I get to the rest
Speaker 1: of the pride birds here.
Speaker 3: Just put pride Birds in the search. That's what I did.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I don't know the other references, but
Speaker 2: I just love that someone was like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: this is stupid? And then it's like it's it's truly
Speaker 2: so important, and it's like I always just saw it
Speaker 2: as a movie we all loved, and then reading my
Speaker 2: gay history books, like learning how like radical this movie
Speaker 2: really was at its time, you know, and like yeah,
Speaker 2: just saying and this end and so then for it
Speaker 2: to like be part of this collection.
Speaker 3: But I do not shop at Target. I mean I have.
Speaker 1: I have, Yeah, honestly, I boycotted for a while and all.
Speaker 1: But also I've heard people say that where they live
Speaker 1: in places.
Speaker 3: That are like more rural or.
Speaker 1: Like there's like Target is one of the only places
Speaker 1: where it's like safe for like a queer person to work,
Speaker 1: or like a person that is like a person of color,
Speaker 1: Like I've heard people say in the area where I live,
Speaker 1: Target is the best place for me to work, the
Speaker 1: safest place for me to work. And if everybody boycotts it,
Speaker 1: they go away, and then where do we work. So
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to both sides of the uh,
Speaker 1: like the boycott argument in that situation. So I did
Speaker 1: boake up for a while, and then I just go
Speaker 1: back sometimes for a couple of things. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: it is where I get like clothes for my kids,
Speaker 1: Like I just it's the cheapest place to buy clothes
Speaker 1: that you can get shredded like that's but I also
Speaker 1: thrift from my kids. I do do use clothes. We
Speaker 1: go shout out to the green Bean and Eagle Rock.
Speaker 1: If you live in LA, You've got to go to
Speaker 1: green Bean for used kids clothes and they have new
Speaker 1: gifts as well. But they have great consignment kids.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so if you're if you want to give
Speaker 2: it some pride birds, some pride birds, they're cute at fine.
Speaker 3: I just can't believe it.
Speaker 1: I I can't stumble upon something so fucking perfect for
Speaker 1: your mom on like the days before her birthday because.
Speaker 2: In my head, I go, I think me flying home's
Speaker 2: birthday gifts enough. But then now I'm not at a
Speaker 2: couple of pirds because I wasn't going to force it,
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm like so excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, I love that. Let's get started.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we're doing a classic, a big one interwebs. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've seen this one so many times and I was
Speaker 2: still like, wait, who's the worst?
Speaker 3: Who's the guy? I know, who's the Wait he's the guy?
Speaker 2: No, they got hit, Like I really was on the
Speaker 2: edge of my seat.
Speaker 3: I was also kind of watching this one, going when
Speaker 3: is Rosie Perez gonna show up?
Speaker 1: Because I think I was thinking about that episode a
Speaker 1: different NMBLA. Yeah, so, but this one is wild, and
Speaker 1: I also just came across some really crazy information doing
Speaker 1: the research.
Speaker 2: So okay, all right, well we'll get started. So Angels,
Speaker 2: it's that's what it is. Angels. Oh my god, guess
Speaker 2: who's in Angels in the Outfield. Just for our future
Speaker 2: movie games. It's fucking Adrian Brodie's in it. But someone
Speaker 2: else that's like insane that I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: gonna Oh Matthew McConaughey. Really I cannot wait for them
Speaker 2: to come up in my movie game because usually for
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey, I get a lot of points when I
Speaker 2: use sing.
Speaker 3: People don't really know who's in sing.
Speaker 2: Sing too as well, correct, but it has to hit.
Speaker 2: But Angels in the Outfield I think is going to
Speaker 2: be huge for me. But anyways, Angels, that's where we're at,
Speaker 2: Season four, episode six, November one, two thousand and two. Okay,
Speaker 2: day after Halloween, people were hungover, I must see TV. Thursday,
Speaker 2: we're at the airport. But this this actually kills me.
Speaker 2: And every time I thought I figured it out, another
Speaker 2: element did not make sense. So there's a bus with
Speaker 2: under luggage and so it looks like a mix between
Speaker 2: a Greyhound and a megabus, but it could also be
Speaker 2: a shuttle for the airport, but it hit traffic, there
Speaker 2: were delays. Sorry to get everyone stuck, and to get
Speaker 2: stuck in these details. But then it's like, what bus
Speaker 2: pulls up right at the terminal, so I'm like, this
Speaker 2: has to be a shuttle, But then like they had
Speaker 2: their luggage to put on, so some are missing flights
Speaker 2: but it's empty. And then later they say it's a
Speaker 2: drop off, like they really did not get this bus
Speaker 2: thing going in the cold open Nothing made sense because
Speaker 2: I'm because if I'm landing and the bus is late
Speaker 2: to pick me up to the cargo or whatever, it's
Speaker 2: like it's not that big of a deal, like maybe
Speaker 2: I'm late to a meet or whatever. But it's like
Speaker 2: it's not the same as missing a flight. And these
Speaker 2: people whatever. The driver's wearing a tie, he's very nice.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm sorry, wrong stuff, YadA, YadA. So then
Speaker 2: they're putting their luggage onto the bus all it's all empty,
Speaker 2: so I don't get it. But there is also an
Speaker 2: unconscious young boy in the luggage, so that kind of
Speaker 2: takes over everything. They can online one one JFK terminal five,
Speaker 2: So we are at the airport. A nurse runs to
Speaker 2: help barely breathing nopoul. Stabler's on the scene and he's
Speaker 2: meeting Queen's s View Detective Katie Moore. He's looking hot
Speaker 2: as fuck, and but there is a dead child. The
Speaker 2: child is dead. He's like nine or ten a Latino boy.
Speaker 2: Carbon monoxide poisoning, they're guessing, so like he might have
Speaker 2: died just in there while the bus ran.
Speaker 3: That sucks. We meet Melinda.
Speaker 2: She explains why it's a sex crime, and it's because
Speaker 2: there's blood and fluids in the underwear and bruising and
Speaker 2: lacerations on his body.
Speaker 3: So this is really sad. And he is annoying though, like.
Speaker 2: He's the Queen's like he doesn't want the case and
Speaker 2: the Queen's girls like Lisimbro and you know he got
Speaker 2: picked up at Manhattan straight to drop off. What drop
Speaker 2: off if there was no luggage and there was no people,
Speaker 2: so what drops.
Speaker 3: Right to terminal five? Baby? I have no idea, Like
Speaker 3: I am livid.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because I spends so much time at airport,
Speaker 2: so like from the jump, I'm like a bus would
Speaker 2: never be able to get.
Speaker 3: This close to the terminal.
Speaker 1: But also the fact that there's no luggage underneath, Like
Speaker 1: don't they just open it and it's empty except for
Speaker 1: the boy exactly, so they should have dropping suitcases and
Speaker 1: then they find him.
Speaker 2: No, because then later they're like absolutely not, no one
Speaker 2: did it until he came to the airport, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: then what it was the drop off? Like you guys
Speaker 2: are fucking around and it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: So this poor kid, uh, but she goes assaults it
Speaker 2: on your turf, he's all yours. She walks away, Melinda
Speaker 2: zips the kid in a body bag and it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't think we needed that in the cold open.
Speaker 2: But it is credits time and now it's called trans
Speaker 2: Bird Bus Terminal and basically the bus was drops off
Speaker 2: at eleven last night and then at seven am the
Speaker 2: bus was taken and the bus was empty, so I
Speaker 2: guess no drop off. Benson and Stabler are together and
Speaker 2: we're at a pixie cut stage but not like the
Speaker 2: straight up shortest. There's like a golden little swoop, but
Speaker 2: it's fucking short. There is a hole in the fence.
Speaker 2: Why hole is hard for me? Like I really always
Speaker 2: put a w always, yeah, Like I don't know. They
Speaker 2: both make sense to me visually, like the other ones
Speaker 2: fuck me up. But visually I'm like, that's a hole.
Speaker 2: But then when I delete the W, I go, no, that.
Speaker 3: Is a hole.
Speaker 2: This makes more sense. It's so fun that it says fun.
Speaker 2: It does trip me up. I'll be honest, it trips
Speaker 2: me up. Oh my god, guess whose book I saw
Speaker 2: at the bookstore? Bought it immediately. Joe Firestone. Oh did
Speaker 2: she had a book? Yeah, it came out a while ago.
Speaker 2: I think it's I don't even think it's that new.
Speaker 2: But it was in a staff. But you know, I've
Speaker 2: been hitting up the bookstores and I read it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I saw it and it was a thrill. I
Speaker 2: like seeing.
Speaker 3: People I knows books out about. It's kind of it's
Speaker 3: kind of exciting.
Speaker 2: So anyways, oh god again with the bus, So seven
Speaker 2: am left for JFK. Sabler sees something under the wheel.
Speaker 2: There's a teddy bear and the teddy bear is not weathered.
Speaker 2: There is dried blood, and there are security king.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, So the.
Speaker 1: Teddy bear went from Manhattan to JFK with a teddy
Speaker 1: bear in the wheel.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I'm not buying that either, Like
Speaker 2: I said, like, who wrote this one?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: Just like have it be discovered at the bus terminal
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. They open it up, there's the boy. All
Speaker 1: of this JFK seems unnecessary. Oh, I think it's because
Speaker 1: of the trafficking eventually.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, but no, that doesn't even make sense either.
Speaker 2: Why wasn't the teddy bear just in it with him?
Speaker 3: Why is it in the wheel?
Speaker 2: Well, it makes no sense going but it's also not weathered,
Speaker 2: so if it wasn't stuck in the tires, it would
Speaker 2: be so weathered. But there's security cameras. So it's eleven
Speaker 2: forty seven. There are two kids. There's an older kid
Speaker 2: in a little kid with the bear. We need to
Speaker 2: find the older kids, so we're at center precinct. Craigan
Speaker 2: munch Finn joins Stabler for a chat. What are they
Speaker 2: gonna do? So they gotta call the bus cops, set
Speaker 2: alerts for the older kid. Olivia's at missing Person's. Cragan
Speaker 2: sends Stablers to the more to see if they can
Speaker 2: identify the boy and that might help find who this
Speaker 2: other boy is. And we find out blood on the
Speaker 2: teddy Bear is type AB same as the victim. I
Speaker 2: don't even know my type of blood. Should I figure
Speaker 2: it out? Yeah, I mean it's just a quick message to.
Speaker 3: My doc or like, no, they're gonna make you take
Speaker 3: a blood.
Speaker 1: You can like order a blood test I think on
Speaker 1: like Amazon, and it's like a or something i'd rather not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 1: Don't think your doctor just I don't think your doctor
Speaker 1: will like have it written down because it's like more
Speaker 1: of a surgery thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta figure this out. I'm curious. I'm curious.
Speaker 2: So soundproofing glass is what she thinks cut his arm.
Speaker 2: It's not glass glass. And this is not a street kid.
Speaker 2: This kid's well nourished and a lot of money put
Speaker 2: into his mouth and he's disease free. So we meet
Speaker 2: a forensic dentist guy and he explains their smooth and
Speaker 2: visible braces and like so many things that adds up
Speaker 2: to its ten grand. And this is season four and
Speaker 2: so implant that I'm saying it's a lot. The implants
Speaker 2: are custom, so that means there'll be a manufacturer I
Speaker 2: d and we'll we'll find the lab that ordered it.
Speaker 2: So the lab is back positive for semen and suture
Speaker 2: scars on his anus, So like that's fucked up. Someone
Speaker 2: has been violently abusing this kid for a long time.
Speaker 2: Benson gets a flip phone call and they might have
Speaker 2: the purp, which I guess is the older kid, but
Speaker 2: it's obviously not the older kid. And I hate when
Speaker 2: we have to like suspend or disbelief, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I'm sorry, our characters would never treat
Speaker 2: this boy like a purp, and they know that he's
Speaker 2: not the one suturing this little kid's asshole, Like what
Speaker 2: the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this kid's obviously abused to why would he
Speaker 2: be running through a fe Like it's so fucking annoying
Speaker 2: to me the way they end up treating this kid.
Speaker 2: But mun Shinfinn are talking to the most helpful bus
Speaker 2: driver I've ever seen. She's giving them all the information
Speaker 2: she can. And there's also another like driver who matched
Speaker 2: the clothing there was running and so they're gonna sniff
Speaker 2: him out. So German Shepherd gets to work, and that
Speaker 2: leads to a tarmac. Cop cars are flying, Benson and Stabler,
Speaker 2: the bus, cops, the dog, everyone is looking. He's behind luggage.
Speaker 2: He starts running. He's so dirty and he's screaming. He
Speaker 2: wants to go home. They tell him to calm down.
Speaker 2: He's losing his mind, but they have to bring him back.
Speaker 2: So again they're like so mean to him. Obviously, this
Speaker 2: boy is a victim. They're like, you're a killer and
Speaker 2: you're in big trouble. It's like he's sweaty and fucked
Speaker 2: up and so dirty. So he goes deport me and
Speaker 2: then they're like, you fucking killed Jose, and he's like, wait,
Speaker 2: Jose's dead. The boy didn't know, and you could tell
Speaker 2: he doesn't know. This kid also deserves a fucking Emmy.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he didn't get nominated there for him.
Speaker 3: Very sadly, the.
Speaker 1: Actor that played that kid died when he was like
Speaker 1: nineteen in a plane crash.
Speaker 3: No my, yes, that's so fun, so sad. He's really town.
Speaker 1: He's so good. When he was like crying, I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy's so good. So I look him up and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, damn yeah, oh god. And so
Speaker 1: they call Jose your little friend, so rude. He's obviously
Speaker 1: just straught. So anyways, he starts talking. His name's are
Speaker 1: Nesto Diaz.
Speaker 2: Jose's his friend, and Benson askedware's home is, he says,
Speaker 2: Guatemala and Jose and they both got here by boat. Well,
Speaker 2: he got here two years ago. Parents sent him to
Speaker 2: go to school. The charity promised to protect him, but
Speaker 2: instead they gave him to this man. Jose only came
Speaker 2: last month and the man said like that Ernesto was
Speaker 2: getting too old.
Speaker 3: But he kept them locked up.
Speaker 2: He made them, you know, have sex with him, is
Speaker 2: how he said it, and he would beat them when
Speaker 2: they said no.
Speaker 3: He tried to escape once before.
Speaker 2: And he and he threatened to kill everyone and I'll
Speaker 2: be you know, it's fucking scary. And he was just
Speaker 2: sick of watching Jose suffer and he knew what was
Speaker 2: ahead of him and he just like couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2: So Stablor finally starts to help the kid and is
Speaker 2: being nice, but they do need her Nesto's help, he says.
Speaker 2: The guy that abused them is Brett Jansen, and he
Speaker 2: made them call him dad.
Speaker 3: And see, I s that's so funny. That's no and Cee,
Speaker 3: I see what is that? Nick? Nick Mick? So I
Speaker 3: just didn't do it right. Whatever.
Speaker 2: They have nothing on the missing boys, there's no information,
Speaker 2: no visa's nothing. They do have a hit on this
Speaker 2: Brett guy, and he's a law firm person and he
Speaker 2: had a fucking child sex slave, a nightmare, and we
Speaker 2: need to fucking get a warrant and get into this
Speaker 2: man's apartment.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: They're searching. There's so many dead bolts. They're all unlocked now,
Speaker 2: but it's like nuts. They're steel over wood. They say,
Speaker 2: it's all soundproof, magnetic locks, serious about security. The windows
Speaker 2: are locked at all times, only open with a key.
Speaker 2: But there's a broken window we see, but it's like
Speaker 2: the weird plexiglass because it's soundproof, it's tempered, I guess,
Speaker 2: so it's you know, that's evidence. There's like evidence on
Speaker 2: the fire escapes. The dad did not even call, like
Speaker 2: the police or anything for the broken glass, and he
Speaker 2: didn't clean it up, so he's probably out there looking
Speaker 2: for the boys. And even if they screamed, no one
Speaker 2: would ever know. Ernesto's story checks out. He explained all
Speaker 2: of this. Finn comes in and the boys have magnetic
Speaker 2: locks too, and then the tech guy goes come with me.
Speaker 2: So he's dead as hell. His throat is slit and
Speaker 2: he's sliced of the family jewels.
Speaker 3: Stabler ads.
Speaker 2: They ask if the kid did it or somebody else,
Speaker 2: and boom, George Hwang is here and he is there,
Speaker 2: they're the precincts. He says, it's possible the boy did it,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, no fucking way. The crime scene was
Speaker 2: a blood bath, and Ernesta didn't have any blood on him,
Speaker 2: and Sailor also says there was fresh blood in the shower,
Speaker 2: and he feels an adult would think of something like
Speaker 2: to do that for evidence removal.
Speaker 3: But not a fourteen year old kid.
Speaker 2: Huang's like, okay, I said it was possible, I didn't
Speaker 2: say I think he did it, so he got defensive
Speaker 2: and even if he saw the killer, that must have
Speaker 2: been super scary as well. Huang is like he was
Speaker 2: abused by a man. So, Olivia, you go in there,
Speaker 2: give him some love and affection. And Benson gets in
Speaker 2: there and she does her thing. She tells him it's
Speaker 2: not his fault. He says it is his fault that
Speaker 2: Jose is dead, and Benson wants to help him, but
Speaker 2: she needs to know what happened. She begs and pleads
Speaker 2: with him to talk, and he obviously spills because she's gifted.
Speaker 2: He went into Jose's room and Jose was crying and
Speaker 2: begging for it to stop. So then Ernesto yelled, called
Speaker 2: him a pig and told him to leave him alone.
Speaker 2: And then he came out and pulled him out of bed,
Speaker 2: hit him over the head, and then just smiled and said,
Speaker 2: when I'm done with Jose, that you're going to find
Speaker 2: out what real pain is. And he was so mad,
Speaker 2: and he told Jose if he didn't be quiet, he
Speaker 2: would send him to the other man. But Jose did cry,
Speaker 2: and you know, Ernesto begged him to stop, and this
Speaker 2: dude got mad and left. So then Benson asks about
Speaker 2: the other men. He cries and says he's afraid. And
Speaker 2: I wrote, this kid is so talented, holy shit, and
Speaker 2: this is a really.
Speaker 3: Fun He's like really bawling and like so believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel it's like not appropriate for children to
Speaker 2: be filming things like this. It's actually, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how it didn't traumatize him for life. He explains
Speaker 2: that these men would take him for a while and
Speaker 2: then give him back, and he didn't want that to
Speaker 2: happen to Jose. Craigan is with Huang and Stabler in
Speaker 2: the office supply window and He's like, fuck now, it's
Speaker 2: a whole ring of these guys. We got to find
Speaker 2: him fast. So they think Jansen knew, like who killed him,
Speaker 2: and Fin jumps in with more news.
Speaker 3: There's videos. So it's two men and a kid.
Speaker 2: It's a ten year old boy, and we see the
Speaker 2: dead guy's face, but the other guy no face, but
Speaker 2: tons of tattoos on his body. So that'll help us
Speaker 2: in the future identify this man. Yeah, if you're going
Speaker 2: to be a pedophile and tape your rapes, you should
Speaker 2: probably not have any markings on your body. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: like I guess advice for the petos listening. But this
Speaker 2: is Yeah, so this is clearly a Central America trip
Speaker 2: to rape children. And the boys that we found are
Speaker 2: Nesto Josegus adoption papers and then they find like all
Speaker 2: this Nambles stuff. It's disgusting and NAMBLA's men loving boy
Speaker 2: groups that Munch says operate like al Qaeda cells, like
Speaker 2: one can't finger the other group. They're all splintered off.
Speaker 2: And Stabler then is very stable and he's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: at least we can admit it's good news.
Speaker 3: Jansen's dead.
Speaker 2: Craigan goes yeah, for sure, and hopefully finding who killed
Speaker 2: him will help lead to the rest of these perverts.
Speaker 2: Craigan tells Benson and Stabler to go to the law
Speaker 2: office tomorrow of Jansen and track down his friends. Finn
Speaker 2: hangs up with the Emmy. They got the name of
Speaker 2: the dentist who worked on Jose's teeth, doctor Walt Massy,
Speaker 2: so they go do that. They're filling the dentist in
Speaker 2: and he admired Jansen for adopting two boys from a
Speaker 2: foreign country, and it's like, I don't know, I just
Speaker 2: don't think men should be allowed to adopt children.
Speaker 3: Unless single men.
Speaker 1: I mean, single women have a hard time enough adopting alone.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we find out there's like more than this,
Speaker 2: but oh god, a nightmare.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: They're filling the dentists in again, he admires it. I
Speaker 2: just I don't know, I don't know, suspicious, But he
Speaker 2: says he only needed dental work and nothing more. Fin
Speaker 2: asked if there's anything unusual, and he goes, well, I
Speaker 2: think it's strange you wanted all the work done at once.
Speaker 2: But he was going to enroll him in school, and
Speaker 2: I guess he was teased for having metal braces as
Speaker 2: a kid, and he only wanted the best for his boys.
Speaker 2: Benson and Stabler are with the executive assistant and she
Speaker 2: says he's a great boss and everyone is sick over this.
Speaker 2: She kept his daily schedule in the computer, but he
Speaker 2: had his own liar lol, his own lawyer diary and
Speaker 2: a red.
Speaker 3: Book on his desk.
Speaker 2: And they're like, this is strange that there are no
Speaker 2: photos of his family. And she says he has no family,
Speaker 2: both parents died and no siblings. And Benson's like, he
Speaker 2: never mentioned his two sons and she's like, you haven't
Speaker 2: confused with somebody else. She says, there's no way he
Speaker 2: has kids and I don't know about it. And she's
Speaker 2: also like, he didn't even have any friends, and say
Speaker 2: it goes, well, we're here on the calendar.
Speaker 3: See he had like a two pm lunch. What's that?
Speaker 2: She goes, that's a client. They ate at his club.
Speaker 2: They go to the Metropolis Club. There's an old guy,
Speaker 2: there's a climbing wall. He says, Jansen was a ladies
Speaker 2: man with a different woman every week. He never mentioned
Speaker 2: him having kids. I mean, this is so fucked. So
Speaker 2: the only kids they talked about were this old man's
Speaker 2: He's like, I would brag about my kids all day long.
Speaker 2: I love my kids, and I don't think Brett would
Speaker 2: be a good father, and he has a terrible temper.
Speaker 2: Kids would drive him crazy. Then he tells them that
Speaker 2: this guy's other friend was Tony Damon and they played
Speaker 2: squash together. But that's the only other person he can
Speaker 2: think of. He's never been to his apartment, he says.
Speaker 2: They say, by mister Lynch and turn away, and he says,
Speaker 2: it's doctor Lynch and he doesn't do it in at Chilwo.
Speaker 2: It's like definitely like a dick thing and it actually
Speaker 2: like fucked him up, like his ego. Actually, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why they kept his past shut. He like they
Speaker 2: wouldn't have clocked it. He wouldn't have been a suspect nothing.
Speaker 2: But he says he does really constructive plastic surgery. Hand
Speaker 2: repair is this thing. He says he was in the
Speaker 2: o r from ten pm at night to dawn in
Speaker 2: the morning, reattaching a thumb that was severed in a
Speaker 2: thumb accident.
Speaker 3: After they're like.
Speaker 1: What's thumb accident? It was a car accident.
Speaker 2: But yeah, after he does the doctor thing, they're like,
Speaker 2: and where were you losers? So anyway, so now they
Speaker 2: go talk to squash body and it's Will Arnett.
Speaker 3: It's Will Arnett, but it Will Arnett before we all
Speaker 3: like knew Will Arnett. Like what do we sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because like, what do you I think Will Arnett's first
Speaker 1: intro to me is arrested development?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Is that most people's.
Speaker 2: I just didn't care about him until BoJack Horseman even
Speaker 2: later for you, I just like, was arrested development whatever.
Speaker 2: So this Willlarnett guy, he's like, I'm coming back. I
Speaker 2: just coming back from Chicago, offers up his boarding pass
Speaker 2: and then he goes that guy had a strange sense
Speaker 2: of humor and I don't even get what.
Speaker 3: I don't get that this is that weird. But I
Speaker 3: guess I might have a strange sense humor.
Speaker 2: But Friday they were playing and he got laughed at
Speaker 2: and this guy goes lucky shot and he's like, usually
Speaker 2: play like a woman, and.
Speaker 3: I should have cut your balls off years ago. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't clock that.
Speaker 1: But whatever, it's kind of a weird joke. I would
Speaker 1: have cut your balls off, sure, but I'm more annoyed
Speaker 1: about the playing like a woman. Yes, obviously shitty, but
Speaker 1: a standard loser joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Benson and Stabler rushed to Melinda. She says
Speaker 2: that these balls weren't cut off. Someone used the scalpel,
Speaker 2: and it was before he died, so they really wanted
Speaker 2: to make him suffer, and then they whacked him with
Speaker 2: a blunt object to knock him out to be able
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: The scalpel ball removal.
Speaker 2: They didn't find any blunt objects though, so he must
Speaker 2: have taken it. And also the net cuts were right
Speaker 2: on the arteries where they should have been. So Ernesto
Speaker 2: is sleeping on the couch in the loft area and
Speaker 2: it's like a floral couch. It really kind of is
Speaker 2: funny to me. They run up with good news they
Speaker 2: found his parents and they'll be there tomorrow to get him.
Speaker 2: But first Benson and Stabler have a binder of faces
Speaker 2: and they need his help, like was it any of
Speaker 2: these men or these the doctors or any of these
Speaker 2: the sickos?
Speaker 3: Like who was there?
Speaker 2: And he goes, well, doctor did come when I was sick,
Speaker 2: but he never touched me. So they show photos and
Speaker 2: he points to doctor Lynch, who could have kept his
Speaker 2: mouth shut, wouldn't have been in the binder, but and
Speaker 2: then he has three adopted sons and never been married.
Speaker 2: Uh Oh works at Chelsea Hospital and he operates on
Speaker 2: disfigured kids and third.
Speaker 3: World countries not to be trusted.
Speaker 2: And then on the side he sews up his friend's
Speaker 2: slave boy as much says a real humanitarian will or not,
Speaker 2: runs a travel agency, Global Voyages, and lives in Scarsdale.
Speaker 3: No kids, not married.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, we should be like we shun women
Speaker 2: that are single, but it's like these guys are These
Speaker 2: are the people that are more suspicious.
Speaker 1: In my life, I've never come across a man that
Speaker 1: has a child that they adopted on their own in
Speaker 1: my life, and I've met dozens of people I just like,
Speaker 1: not anecdotally, I can't think of a versus like a
Speaker 1: man that has not like not like adopting a nephew
Speaker 1: that a of like a brother that passed or something
Speaker 1: like that. Like straight up I went to an adoptation scene
Speaker 1: said I just want to be a dad, like I
Speaker 1: just have never seen that.
Speaker 3: Yeah did ah didn't YEA.
Speaker 2: So they and all these guys had a lot of
Speaker 2: calls to each other that day. A triangle of calls
Speaker 2: and chats. So Damon is setting up sex tours for
Speaker 2: his friends and then bringing back human souvenirs. They need
Speaker 2: to get Lynch's kids out of that house tonight. Cabot
Speaker 2: looks hot as hell, red dress, waves in her hair,
Speaker 2: fancy dinner. She says, two phone calls is not enough,
Speaker 2: but it's like, well, there are three kids and we
Speaker 2: need to help them. She's like, well, do we know
Speaker 2: if they're legally adopted or not. They'll find out in
Speaker 2: the morning. But the kids do go to public school,
Speaker 2: they're not locked away, and there's no complaints of abuse.
Speaker 2: But he didn't report Jose's abuse. And then who walks
Speaker 2: in Trevor Langen slash Peter Herman slash Missus mister Murska
Speaker 2: harget day and she's on a fucking date with him.
Speaker 2: I'm loving this and he goes, that's an amus demeanor
Speaker 2: with no priors, and Benson goes, wow, dining with the enemy,
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, he's hot, and then she I
Speaker 2: don't remember this.
Speaker 3: I didn't remember that.
Speaker 2: I didn't either, and then he's like, hey, I'll go
Speaker 2: watch the game at the bar till you know they're
Speaker 2: done with their little meeting and he gives her a long, sexy,
Speaker 2: flirty stare. And then so now she's going back and
Speaker 2: forth with the detectives and saying this Lynch is a
Speaker 2: heavy hitter, like, we can't go after him half ass
Speaker 2: because he's gonna lawyer up immediately. Benson does say they
Speaker 2: have Jansen's hard drive and that they have proof that
Speaker 2: he took this special tour with Damon and that was
Speaker 2: years ago, and that they travel to rape children and
Speaker 2: that that is a federal crime. I actually don't really
Speaker 2: know how they figured that out. Anyways, She's like, we
Speaker 2: need to catch him in the act. So of course
Speaker 2: Munch is undercover as a pedophile. Who else would it be.
Speaker 2: He's perfect John Blackman, beige suit, blue tie, and he
Speaker 2: looks like a crazy Christian pastor, you know, like he
Speaker 2: would hold a sign at a like a a gay
Speaker 2: dead person's funeral. It's like that kind of vibe snake
Speaker 2: Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, that kind of
Speaker 2: snake skin like. He does look like such a pedo,
Speaker 2: like he needs glasses. Him with out glasses is fucked up,
Speaker 2: And that's rude. It's rude of me to say and
Speaker 2: speak ill of the Dead like this, but we make
Speaker 2: fun of as transition lenses as a culture. But I'm
Speaker 2: like this man like without a transition lens, I don't
Speaker 2: want it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. It's weird.
Speaker 1: It's like weird to me. You can't look directly in
Speaker 1: Bellser's eyes. It's too it's too powerful.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like thinking about will Arnett's character, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I wonder if he does travel for people that has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with rape, you know, like does he
Speaker 2: also like set up family vacations for people, Like is
Speaker 2: he just and does his office?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think they're paying Locket. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're paying enough. I think you're paying massive money to
Speaker 1: do sex tourism, whereas he's not booking your like carnival
Speaker 1: cruise to like the correct.
Speaker 3: Is everyone at this office doing it?
Speaker 2: Or is it just him and he's getting away with
Speaker 2: it or everyone there is a pedophile?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Write something to think about. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Will Arnett says that he ran the credit for John
Speaker 2: Munch's Undercover Guy and it all came up fine.
Speaker 3: The NYPD got it together. They have unlimited budget.
Speaker 2: He checks his ID, the id's fine, and then that's
Speaker 2: all it takes to fully spill all the beans. He's
Speaker 2: just like, okay, cool sou and he never even said
Speaker 2: who gave the name, Like it's crazy Will Arnett's character.
Speaker 2: It is this thing of like even if you're doing
Speaker 2: a drum a role like him or Ali Wong, like
Speaker 2: the funny does come out. Yeah, the way people speak
Speaker 2: and the Martin short episode like there is.
Speaker 3: Just totally you like, can't not be funny.
Speaker 1: You're playing a full sex tourism pedophile, and but the.
Speaker 2: Way he spills is just so funny. He's like, okay,
Speaker 2: sweet standard two week package. Who's taking two weeks off
Speaker 2: of work alone to go? It's all crazy business class
Speaker 2: meals and entertainment included five grand and so he's like,
Speaker 2: oh entertainment, And immediately will our netchoes girls or boys?
Speaker 2: Are both? He says boys eleven to thirteen. He starts
Speaker 2: spilling again. I wrote spilling the Beaten so loose. One
Speaker 2: credit check is all it took to admit to being
Speaker 2: a pedophile, Like does that mean that this happens like
Speaker 2: five times a day business as usual? Like all everyone's
Speaker 2: just coming into rape kids and he's just like, let
Speaker 2: me just make sure.
Speaker 3: You've got the funds.
Speaker 1: That's it, And like, I guess they did a background
Speaker 1: check on this fake name, but.
Speaker 2: It's the Giselle Pellicoate of at all. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: is it that Lucy Goose? It's the Epstein of it all.
Speaker 2: Is just loosen the emails, like no one's hiding anything.
Speaker 2: So he says, we work with an orphanage five years
Speaker 2: old and up, and you get a videotape to cherish
Speaker 2: the memory, and Munch gives him the cash.
Speaker 3: You know, he doesn't want a paper Joil.
Speaker 2: He says, if there's another name you want to use
Speaker 2: for travel, let me know, and he goes, yeah, John Munch,
Speaker 2: but you can call me detective and badge up or
Speaker 2: rest time. Finn comes in commands everybody to stop working,
Speaker 2: get the computers and the files. So they have the
Speaker 2: whole conversation taped and we're in cement room bars and
Speaker 2: he's like, so, what conspiracy exactly, and it's like, Babe,
Speaker 2: facilitating the rape of children in foreign countries. Obviously that's
Speaker 2: what's happening. And he's like he has such an innocent
Speaker 2: guy's response. He goes, there's no state law against that,
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck. So Saylor says it's federal law,
Speaker 2: and we turned our tape over to the US attorney.
Speaker 2: Your toast and he again he again is acting so
Speaker 2: chill and innocent and is like, actually, federal statutes require
Speaker 2: proof of the sex act, and it's like, why not
Speaker 2: he just ask for a lawyer, like you were the
Speaker 2: most shabby motherfucker. You know every law a pedophile should know,
Speaker 2: and we have you on tape doing it, Like I
Speaker 2: don't understand what he's even fighting for. How are you
Speaker 2: denying it? So he's like, and you need a victim,
Speaker 2: where are you gonna find one? And men Munch was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're a nambler guy. He goes, no, I'm not one
Speaker 2: of those freaks, and then Stabler grabs him, throws him
Speaker 2: against the bars on the window. He screams, you are
Speaker 2: nothing but a low life pimp who sells children. Munch
Speaker 2: tries to stop him, Stablor goes, get off me, and
Speaker 2: then throws our net onto the chair and then goes,
Speaker 2: you did this, you freak, And he says Jansen and
Speaker 2: Lynch did what they did on their own, and but
Speaker 2: like you were caught asking boys.
Speaker 1: Or girls like I don't Barnett's character doesn't actually molest kids.
Speaker 3: He's just yeah, that's like a little bit god.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He says he does it for the money.
Speaker 2: So he grabs his neck like a kitten at the
Speaker 2: vet like it's kind of cool, and he goes, how
Speaker 2: many sex tours have you booked? He admits to dozens
Speaker 2: over the years, and then that's and then you know
Speaker 2: he's lying, so that means it's way more than dozens,
Speaker 2: you know. And then he goes, I'm not a pedo.
Speaker 2: I just do it for the money. And they said whatever,
Speaker 2: You're going to go to death row for slicing up
Speaker 2: Jansen and he's like, well, I didn't do that, and
Speaker 2: they bring up the ball cutting story and he goes,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Lynch is using that to set me up.
Speaker 3: Duh.
Speaker 2: Lynch like handpicked Jose for Jansen. Then Jansen called Lynch
Speaker 2: and wanted his money back, and then when they both escaped,
Speaker 2: they chatted before he was killed, and he says him
Speaker 2: and Lynch talked because he was still waiting for his
Speaker 2: rape tape. And so then Willernett gets an amazing idea
Speaker 2: and goes, make me a deal. I'll give you Lynch
Speaker 2: on a silver platter. So then Cabat and Craigan have
Speaker 2: been spying and she's like, oh god, you know, like
Speaker 2: sex tours are federal, and I don't want to give
Speaker 2: him immunity to we're sure about this. Craigan says, maybe
Speaker 2: we can get him without this, like loser's help. Let's
Speaker 2: get the post office to like we'll get the tape,
Speaker 2: you know, so let's work on it. So the postal
Speaker 2: inspector they find the thing, and then the mail carrier
Speaker 2: brings it to the pedo and like fifteen minutes ago,
Speaker 2: and he grabbed it right away, and they say it
Speaker 2: was like a kid on Christmas. So then the cops knock, knock, knock.
Speaker 2: Little boys open the door and Benson speaks to them
Speaker 2: in Spanish, and then they all go to get him.
Speaker 2: Finn his full ponytail leather, giant jacket, and Stabler gives
Speaker 2: him a warrant and he's watching the rape video like
Speaker 2: he could not even wait, and then they arrest him.
Speaker 3: He shuts up immediately.
Speaker 2: He wants a lawyer and again, you were watching the
Speaker 2: tape of a rape, Like I don't understand these Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand the like I didn't do it.
Speaker 2: It's like we're watching the video of you rape a kid,
Speaker 2: like I don't know what you're talking about, Like, Will Arnette,
Speaker 2: you straight up said boys or girls will use an
Speaker 2: orphanage and you get a tape of the rape, Like
Speaker 2: what are you fighting?
Speaker 3: So he shuts up? Ouh did you hear?
Speaker 2: I watched a video of like I guess all the
Speaker 2: guys that are pedo as they say they're in for fraud.
Speaker 3: That's like the go to lie. And then I was.
Speaker 2: Watching an interview with like a a well known fraudster,
Speaker 2: like a succes. I guess not successfully is in prison,
Speaker 2: but like whatever, and they would make him go talk
Speaker 2: to the people to figure out if it was really
Speaker 2: fraud or not, and then he would know if they
Speaker 2: were lying, and then everyone would know they were a child.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, that's the lie. Yikes.
Speaker 1: Part of me feels like Will Arnett's character goes on
Speaker 1: to become job like that's why he lives at home
Speaker 1: with his mom and does magic because he got busted
Speaker 1: doing sex tourism for the money.
Speaker 3: But oh my god, I just thought about my enemy
Speaker 3: David Cross.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he keeps stuff about him, keeps coming
Speaker 1: into my feet and I'm always like.
Speaker 2: Oh um, he shuts up, YadA YadA. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: lawyer wants to deal. Cabot says, fuck you. We found
Speaker 2: out the adoption papers are fake, the visas are fake,
Speaker 2: and you get ten years prison time for each boy
Speaker 2: you smuggled in. And he goes, smuggled in? Are you
Speaker 2: people insane? She goes, yeah, kidnapping and sex abuse. He
Speaker 2: says I would never abuse my sons, and the lawyer
Speaker 2: tries to get him to stop, and he won't. He
Speaker 2: says he would never force the boys to do anything
Speaker 2: they didn't want to do. Your boys are barely teenagers
Speaker 2: and cannot consent. Stabler, very casually from the corner is
Speaker 2: just like, well, how the boys feel being passed around
Speaker 2: your friend group? And he screams that he did no
Speaker 2: such thing. I love them, I would do nothing to
Speaker 2: hurt them. And he starts bringing up NAMBLA and they're like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna bring NAMBLA to court, like that's the defense,
Speaker 2: and the lawyer goes, listen, how about sex abuse three
Speaker 2: for his sons and immunity on the federal charges. She's like,
Speaker 2: I can't speak for the US attorney like, you have
Speaker 2: to give me something I can bring her and he
Speaker 2: starts to talk. Damon is the one smuggling in the boys.
Speaker 2: He is not nambla. It's just merchandise to him. He
Speaker 2: brings in six boys a year, two at a time
Speaker 2: on a chartered sailboat and he agrees to give every
Speaker 2: name he knows and so so then they're like, what
Speaker 2: about the Knight of Jensen's murder. He's like, we didn't
Speaker 2: really talk and they're like, well, then you slipes him up,
Speaker 2: you slice him up, and the lawyer goes, not another word.
Speaker 3: He says, I didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 2: They bring up the scalpel like medical knowledge proof stuff,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I was in surgery and Stabler goes, nope,
Speaker 2: your hospital says you were on vacation, and he goes,
Speaker 2: wrong hospital.
Speaker 3: The case I did was up in Rochester. And it's like,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't his hospital know it?
Speaker 2: Why would he do a fake vacation to do a
Speaker 2: Rochester car accident surgery? Like what is actually happening? Like
Speaker 2: isn't that weird that that he was just at another
Speaker 2: hospital but his his hospital thought that he was on vacation.
Speaker 2: So it's like if their sister hospitals or they're all
Speaker 2: in the same network, or like, oh, I have to
Speaker 2: do an emergency surgery because I'm so sought after and
Speaker 2: they need my emergency some help. But like, why would
Speaker 2: you tell your employer you're going on vacation but you're
Speaker 2: just you're doing at another hospital, Like that's strange to me. No,
Speaker 2: you're the one who has medical people in your life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true. I didn't think about that. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: And also it's not like, oh I actually was the
Speaker 1: surgery I did was on Long Island. Rochester is quite
Speaker 1: far from New York City. You're driving five hours oway.
Speaker 1: That's what made me feel like, there's the reason he's
Speaker 1: up there, maybe doing some surgeries to excuse why he's
Speaker 1: up there is because he's got like a house up
Speaker 1: there where he keeps more kids or something like that. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's not close at all. So now
Speaker 1: one of our favorite things. Yeah, the Rochester thing is
Speaker 1: fucking you're doing like secret surgeries and that counts as
Speaker 1: your vacation. Like I get if you are going to
Speaker 1: do doctors without border, like this.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't make a fucking sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyways, it's uh, it's Center Precinct cage pedo rapist.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of him.
Speaker 2: Finn Is screaming, We're gonna get a court order and
Speaker 2: then make all of you a strip and we'll see
Speaker 2: who's Tech two's match the movie movie stars. You know,
Speaker 2: he's having the time of his life. There's seventeen perverts
Speaker 2: so far. We got teachers, court clerks, engineers, Wall Street guys, everyone.
Speaker 2: They all say Damon is the one that got them
Speaker 2: their kids. So Sailor is annoyed that none of these
Speaker 2: guys like will do much time, and that like the
Speaker 2: guy who killed Jansen's gonna do more times than the pedophiles.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, murderer, I guess Trump's child rape.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I want to know though, Like because they
Speaker 1: make it sound like Damon is just setting up the
Speaker 1: travel like he's like, oh, you want to go on
Speaker 1: like a fun trip and I'll get you some like
Speaker 1: little kids. But then who's getting the fake adoption papers,
Speaker 1: who's getting the fake visas? Like who's smuggling back into
Speaker 1: the country, Like I guess Damon.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, he's getting the boats, He's getting these chartered boats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's too funny, Like Will Arnett is too funny.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel like he's like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just doing it for the money. I'm just
Speaker 3: planning trips.
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, you're like literally facilitating a lifetime
Speaker 1: nightmare for these children.
Speaker 2: You're bringing them to another country to be No, he's
Speaker 2: also never married, no kids. He's certainly a pedos. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true. He's yeah, he's just maybe like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: a pedo for sixteen year olds or something like.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's not like he's not kids because he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just married to my job.
Speaker 3: I just am working so hard ough.
Speaker 2: So, but Benson goes at the Lynch Alibi did check
Speaker 2: out and he was three hundred and fifty miles away,
Speaker 2: So that's annoying. But the Lynch kids, the doctor report
Speaker 2: does come up that they were sexually abused, but excellent
Speaker 2: health outside of that and perfect teeth. Uh oh ding
Speaker 2: ding ding the dentist. The dentist. We're going backwards in
Speaker 2: the time. So is he in the club? Is he
Speaker 2: on the sex tour list? Like, oh, you know, all
Speaker 2: these pedos they work in mysterious ways. So they have
Speaker 2: to find out how many of the boys he's worked
Speaker 2: on and he has two kids of his own as well,
Speaker 2: and he did oral surgery and dental school, so he
Speaker 2: would know how to work a scalpel. There's like, if
Speaker 2: they find a pattern, hopefully that's enough to get a warrant.
Speaker 2: And off to Matse's house they go. The wife has
Speaker 2: no clue. She's in shock. Oh my god, you think
Speaker 2: Walt murdered someone? She says, two nights ago you had
Speaker 2: an emergency patient and left at nine thirty, so it
Speaker 2: couldn't have been him.
Speaker 3: And it's like he's lying to you, dumb horr.
Speaker 2: Benson sees a photo and says, wow, handsome boys, and
Speaker 2: then they look just like you, and she says thank you.
Speaker 2: And then of course they don't look like your husband.
Speaker 2: Obviously they're from a previous marriage. He's a pedophile. He's
Speaker 2: molesting his step kids. This is a nightmare. So her
Speaker 2: ex is unfortunately doing eight to ten in Attica for
Speaker 2: trying to kill her. I do regret calling her a
Speaker 2: whore earlier. I just am like so mad. So he
Speaker 2: lost his parental rights and then Walt adopted the boys
Speaker 2: and she and then they ask how she met her husband.
Speaker 2: She put a personal ad out in the newspaper, and
Speaker 2: he answered it. Please forgive me for asking this. But
Speaker 2: Benson asks, how has you know your relationship been like
Speaker 2: with your husband?
Speaker 3: She starts to cry. She's like, what does that to
Speaker 3: do with anything?
Speaker 2: Benson pushes her to speak and whal and she goes,
Speaker 2: Walt is a good man, and our relationship isn't about sex.
Speaker 2: He's a saint, and he rescued me and the boys. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's not suspicious. So then stable
Speaker 2: wills survival. Okay, So Stabler asks, like, does he pay
Speaker 2: attention to one boy more than the other? She goes, yeah, Sean,
Speaker 2: they're together all the time, like whenever Walt's home.
Speaker 3: And she says this very proudly.
Speaker 2: And then they give her time to like figure it out,
Speaker 2: and everyone's in silence, and then her face slowly changes
Speaker 2: as it dawns on her what they're getting at.
Speaker 3: She had no clue.
Speaker 2: A part of me was like, oh, she fucking knows,
Speaker 2: and she would rather like she thinks, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I just thought I did not think
Speaker 2: the best. I assumed the worst. My fault. But she goes,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what has he done? Stabler is with Sean,
Speaker 2: and he's explaining that his dad like would hit his
Speaker 2: mom and they had to go to a shelter and
Speaker 2: then you know me, mom met Walt, then mom met
Speaker 2: then mom met Walt.
Speaker 3: That's hard. Can you say that mom met Walt? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's hard, he says.
Speaker 2: They hang out and goes and they go to ball
Speaker 2: games and he coaches soccer. Uh oh, he pushes, like
Speaker 2: what do you do when you're alone together? He gets
Speaker 2: uncomfortable immediately. He's like, you know, I was told I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell anyone, no one would get it, and Sailor goes,
Speaker 2: I do understand, and there's no need to be afraid.
Speaker 2: Dramatic music plays. He says, what would stay with him
Speaker 2: at night? Mom is in the spy window. She's crying.
Speaker 2: It started one night. He just came in and wanted
Speaker 2: and said I want to be near you and just
Speaker 2: climbed in. Stabler asks more questions, and the touching didn't
Speaker 2: start till later. And then the boy cries and he
Speaker 2: says fathers are supposed to love their sons, and Sailor says,
Speaker 2: fuck that, and none of this is your fault and
Speaker 2: what he's doing is wrong, and then he cries more
Speaker 2: and he says, I know, but he takes care of
Speaker 2: my mom and we don't have to live in the
Speaker 2: shelter anymore. And the mom my mom doesn't get beat up.
Speaker 2: What really loves us? He says, like this is so
Speaker 2: fucked up. He's really sad, he's confused, he's shaking his
Speaker 2: head in tears and disbelieve.
Speaker 3: The mom walks him out as they bring and by
Speaker 3: the way, that kid is in what hot American summer? Stop?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's the Molly Shannon friend. Yes, yeah, Aaron,
Speaker 2: he's likest of cute kidd.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then of course they have to do a meet
Speaker 2: cue in the fucking Center precinct with the pedo stepdad
Speaker 2: like they couldn't wait for the mom and abused son
Speaker 2: to like exit, Like, I I know they do this
Speaker 2: for the show, but it's like, what the fuck. It's
Speaker 2: so creepy. And he looks him up and down. He
Speaker 2: is looking this kid up and down in a very
Speaker 2: inappropriate way. It's really it's like his last stare before jail.
Speaker 2: It's hard to watch. So then Staylor comes in and
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a little nice nice that's what they
Speaker 2: you know he's gonna play the game of like I'm
Speaker 2: a pedophile too, so he's acting shock. They thought he
Speaker 2: was even a criminal, dragged him out of work. Sailor goes,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. They were not supposed to do that. He says,
Speaker 2: Sean seems like a great kid. Sean, you know, not
Speaker 2: said how much he loves you, and like how much
Speaker 2: you love him and his mom And Benson comes in
Speaker 2: with a case that needs attention, and Sailor goes, stop
Speaker 2: wasting my time with that crap.
Speaker 3: I mean they're doing theater. I wonder if they rehearse this,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So then she slams the door and goes, have it
Speaker 2: your way, and Silor goes, ough, so annoyingang fourteen year
Speaker 2: old girl dating a twenty two year old guy, completely
Speaker 2: consensual sex. They want to lock him up, and he
Speaker 2: calls this guy like a poor guy, and this creepy
Speaker 2: guy says some creepy shit, and Sanbor goes exactly, and
Speaker 2: I wish the people in charge that made the laws
Speaker 2: felt as creepy as you did. And he goes, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you agree with me, and Stabler's like, listen,
Speaker 2: we're all sexual beings, children, adults, that's why I'm thinking
Speaker 2: this is a misunderstanding. And the purpse like, well, what
Speaker 2: do you mean? And Stablor goes, listen, my colleagues brought
Speaker 2: you in because they say that you're sexually abusing your boys.
Speaker 2: But I've seen a lot of child abusers and I'm
Speaker 2: not getting that vibe from you. And he's like touched,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I would never do anything to hurt
Speaker 2: my boys, Like you know, we understand love and loving
Speaker 2: your boys in respect. And you know Brett Jansen he
Speaker 2: beat his sons and locked him up and treated Jose badly.
Speaker 2: And he goes, yeah, he had bruises all over his body,
Speaker 2: and he's shaking his finger pissed, like Jansen does not
Speaker 2: love those boys, and Sailor goes, I know he forced them,
Speaker 2: and goes forcing them well, and Sabler says, between you
Speaker 2: and me, I think Jansen got what he deserved.
Speaker 3: And then he goes, s.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love this, and then he gets up
Speaker 2: and walks around the pedo and then back to his
Speaker 2: chair and then throws the folder down on his desk
Speaker 2: and the pedo is smiling and he and Jansen says
Speaker 2: his punishment was especially appropriate. Don't you think, and Stabler asks, oh, no,
Speaker 2: Jansen's the dead one. Whoever this Peedo is, it's like
Speaker 2: a mass, this Walt mass. Okay, so Walt is like
Speaker 2: the punishment was appropriate, don't you think? And Sailor goes,
Speaker 2: do you know I can't believe I fucked up all
Speaker 2: their names?
Speaker 3: Do you so?
Speaker 2: No Jansen is dead? Okay? Sailor asked, do you know
Speaker 2: how Jansen was killed? And there's a twinkle in this
Speaker 2: guy's eye and he goes, that man hurt those little angels,
Speaker 2: and Stabler nods and says, I I think you know
Speaker 2: more than that, and he pushes his sleeve up to
Speaker 2: like show a tattoo and goes, I know this tattoo.
Speaker 2: It was in the rape videotapes. And the glass from
Speaker 2: the apartment was found in your fucking sneaker, and Sailor goes,
Speaker 2: you think I'm a fucking idiot. Come on, And then
Speaker 2: he said, ah, Jansen ruined it for everybody. I had
Speaker 2: to make sure he had never heard another little boy again.
Speaker 2: And Sailor goes, and that goes for you too. You're
Speaker 2: under arrest for murdering Jansen and sexually abusing your son.
Speaker 2: And then the Purv jumps in shock. No, I did
Speaker 2: not force Sean. He seduced me. He's backing up against
Speaker 2: the cement wall. How can I deny him. I didn't
Speaker 2: beat him. It's not the same thing, and Sailor goes, no,
Speaker 2: it's worse. You had sex with your step son and
Speaker 2: you don't think there's anything wrong with that? What kind
Speaker 2: of sick bastard are you? And Stabler is closing in
Speaker 2: on him, getting closer and closer, and he's like so
Speaker 2: scared and nervous, and he's like, you know, getting cornered
Speaker 2: into the corner of cement room bars. And then this
Speaker 2: guy is gonna hate prison and that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oof, Okay, it's so tough. But you know this episode
Speaker 1: from what two thousand and two, it's twenty four years later,
Speaker 1: still Epstein dealing with all of this kind of crap.
Speaker 3: That's all sort of related. Okay. So, first of all, NAMBLA.
Speaker 1: Which we mentioned a couple of times, but just to
Speaker 1: get a little bit more into it, is the North
Speaker 1: American Man Boy Love Association, which I don't even look
Speaker 1: up the fucking logo of it. The logo of it
Speaker 1: is NAM in caps. And then the B for boy
Speaker 1: is in lowercase, and then the LA is in uppercase, right,
Speaker 1: but then the M and the B is like cock
Speaker 1: to the side, almost like a sesame street television show
Speaker 1: would be like, isn't this cute?
Speaker 3: Like just a man and a boy in love? Like
Speaker 3: it's so creepy.
Speaker 1: And it's a pedophilia and pederaste advocacy organization in the
Speaker 1: US which wants to abolish consent laws that criminalize adult
Speaker 1: sexual relationships with minors aka child sexual abuse and rape.
Speaker 1: The group basically seems like they've dissipated a lot, like
Speaker 1: they don't hold regular meetings, national regular meetings, and as
Speaker 1: of the late nineties, they had discouraged the formation of
Speaker 1: local chapters to avoid law enforcement, so kind of like
Speaker 1: what Munch said, like forming small splinter cells that aren't
Speaker 1: related to each other, so that if you get busted,
Speaker 1: you don't bring down like a.
Speaker 3: Ton of other people.
Speaker 1: But in nineteen ninety five, an undercover detective, so that
Speaker 1: there was about eleven hundred people on the organization's like
Speaker 1: attendance roles, I guess, or people that supported it. Officially,
Speaker 1: they are the largest group within the International Pedophile and
Speaker 1: Child emancipation the IPCE, which is an international pro pedophile
Speaker 1: activist organization, and I guess the organization has really dwindled
Speaker 1: to only a handful of people, and pedophiles were mostly
Speaker 1: like online, working on their own. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: trying to like change legislation anymore. As of two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, newspaper reports at that NAMBLA is mostly based
Speaker 1: in New York and San Francisco.
Speaker 3: So but they talk about it.
Speaker 1: A lot on SVU, I think for how big it
Speaker 1: is or how existent it is. But what I found
Speaker 1: was there were there were you know, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of cases. There's obviously millions of cases about men, you know,
Speaker 1: molesting children and sexually assaulting their own children and their
Speaker 1: step children and children they've fostered, whatever. But this is
Speaker 1: a very interesting case. I think this is Helmet Kentler,
Speaker 1: who was a very influential German psychologist, sexologist and professor
Speaker 1: of social education at the University of Hanover in Germany,
Speaker 1: and he ran a project that was government funded later
Speaker 1: called the Kentler Project or the Kentler Experiment, wherein he believed.
Speaker 3: That ped files would make good foster parents.
Speaker 1: So from part of the so from the late sixties
Speaker 1: to the early nineties, he helped to place like neglected
Speaker 1: foster children into the homes of single men who were
Speaker 1: either hebaphiles or pedophiles, which we've talked about before. Heba
Speaker 1: files is like slightly older kids that are like right
Speaker 1: before puberty as opposed to smaller children. But he believed
Speaker 1: that sexual assault of these children was relatively harmless if
Speaker 1: not forced. Basically, his philosophy was that parents should let
Speaker 1: their children have an unobstructed path to fulfilling their sexual desires,
Speaker 1: like and he took it a step further, saying that
Speaker 1: parents should actually introduce their children to sexuality so they
Speaker 1: wouldn't risk leaving them that they wouldn't quote risk leaving
Speaker 1: them sexually underdeveloped to become sexual cripples end quote. Is
Speaker 1: what this man's philosophy was, like, let's be more sexually
Speaker 1: open and like some people followed him because they thought that, oh,
Speaker 1: he's like more into sexual openness and being open with
Speaker 1: your sexuality, but it's like not when it comes to
Speaker 1: children who like literally don't have like the brain development
Speaker 1: to even consent to this kind of thing. So he
Speaker 1: basically argued that parents must be aware that a good
Speaker 1: relationship of trust between children and parents cannot be maintained
Speaker 1: if children are denied. The satisfaction of needs as urgent
Speaker 1: as sexual ones is another thing he has said, and
Speaker 1: he thought teens having early sexual experiences would make them
Speaker 1: more independent and able to reject adult norms. He was
Speaker 1: particularly interested in girls being too sexually repressed, and that
Speaker 1: if girls felt no pressure to have sex, then boys
Speaker 1: that were sexually free would consider these girls to be uptight.
Speaker 3: We don't want that right girls.
Speaker 1: So, based on his view that children can have sexual
Speaker 1: needs even before puberty, he thought that there could be
Speaker 1: volunteer sexual interactions with adults and that this differed from
Speaker 1: sexual abuse, and that these children would actually be better
Speaker 1: protected from sexual abuse if they had these voluntary sexual
Speaker 1: interactions with adults. I mean, it's so beyond And he
Speaker 1: would say, like, oh, parents, he would like say, don't
Speaker 1: sometimes like an airplane is just an airplane. It's not
Speaker 1: a phallic symbol, you know, don't go straight to the police.
Speaker 1: Maybe the kid likes it, that kind of stuff. He
Speaker 1: treated pedophiles like they were benefactors, like they were doing
Speaker 1: a great thing for these children. So he started, did
Speaker 1: he end up in Jit. I mean, let's okay, you're
Speaker 1: not going to like the answer. So he started this project.
Speaker 1: I don't know when officially the government gave him the
Speaker 1: money for it. In nineteen eighty eight, he reported to
Speaker 1: the German Senate saying the project is a complete success.
Speaker 1: But there was never really any documentation about how this
Speaker 1: project even came to be approved, and if there was
Speaker 1: any documentation, it's been destroyed or it's gone missing.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety fi.
Speaker 1: Three, I will report that a German magazine, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a German magazine, but a magazine called
Speaker 1: Emma reported on Kentler, and then feminists protested him at
Speaker 1: an event in Hannover and he did get punched in
Speaker 1: the face, which is a good news.
Speaker 3: That is the good news. So what's crazy is in.
Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen, this big report came out in Germany about
Speaker 1: the Kentler experiment, and then in twenty twenty one, the
Speaker 1: New Yorker did a big article on it, and they
Speaker 1: talked to this man named Marco who had personal experience,
Speaker 1: and it honestly sounds like the story kind of of
Speaker 1: Ernesto and Jose. But this article didn't come out until
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. And even though the episode could have
Speaker 1: easily been based on Kentler, because I'm sure Nambla like
Speaker 1: used some of Kentler's study as like there you know
Speaker 1: as in their you know, researcher in their attempts to
Speaker 1: like reform like legislation. This guy Marco did not come
Speaker 1: forward with his story until he read the twenty seventeen report,
Speaker 1: which is fifteen years after this when he met he
Speaker 1: met the woman who wrote the report and told her,
Speaker 1: this is the first you're the first person I've told
Speaker 1: and this is in twenty seventeen, so fifteen years after
Speaker 1: this episode has come out, this boy is coming to
Speaker 1: this people to say that what happened to him, and
Speaker 1: she couldn't believe it. She thought that all of the
Speaker 1: foster care like contacts had been like by the late eighties,
Speaker 1: were not happening anymore. But this guy Marco has a
Speaker 1: very different story. So he spoke to this woman and
Speaker 1: then he gave his personal experience to The New Yorker
Speaker 1: in this really long piece that I obviously am linking
Speaker 1: in my sources from twenty twenty one. So Marco's foster
Speaker 1: father was Fritz Henkel. He was an engineers.
Speaker 3: Not a good name.
Speaker 1: Fritz. No, Fritz Fritzel, We're not loving it. No, he
Speaker 1: was an engineer. He had and he brought Marco to
Speaker 1: Kuntler's home many times. Kentler served a kind of like
Speaker 1: Henkel's advisor. He sort of had a grandfatherly presence to
Speaker 1: the boys that were in Henkel's care. He was a
Speaker 1: longtime foster parent. He had many people placed in his
Speaker 1: home and many many people outside. People reported that he
Speaker 1: was having homosexual contact with his foster sons or pedophilia
Speaker 1: contact really, because like it's not just home, it's not
Speaker 1: like contact, it's a crime. But Kenler, his advisor, and
Speaker 1: he's this respected sexologist in Germany, is intervening on his behalf. No,
Speaker 1: it's not what you think it is. This is like
Speaker 1: the blah blah blah. So Henkel is fine, and of
Speaker 1: course more boys go on to be placed with him,
Speaker 1: including Marco. Marco lives in this foster home from about
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight to two thousand and three, from the
Speaker 1: ages of five to twenty one. Oh yeah, so this
Speaker 1: episode comes out he's still living with this man. Marco
Speaker 1: lived in the foster home with a brother named Sven
Speaker 1: who they lived in the same home for thirteen years,
Speaker 1: and Marco goes, I liked him, but we were never connected.
Speaker 1: We never had a real conversation. They never spoke about
Speaker 1: what was happening to them. They just took it for
Speaker 1: granted that this was normal. And he just yeah, Marco says,
Speaker 1: he thought everything happening to him was like normal, and
Speaker 1: he was shocked to read us the study in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen that he read. And the study, by the way,
Speaker 1: was by Teresa Nentwig, who was a political scientist at
Speaker 1: the University of Gautingen's Institute for Democracy Research.
Speaker 3: She wrote the twenty seventeen report on Kendler.
Speaker 1: So like I said, Marco had no idea that this
Speaker 1: wasn't normal. He read the report, he was shocked to
Speaker 1: learn he'd been part of the experiment. He reached out
Speaker 1: to Sven, and Sven like couldn't even process it. He like,
Speaker 1: couldn't even take it in. And Marco said, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we basically learned to have no emotions, Like anytime I
Speaker 1: had an emotion, it would just like hit up against
Speaker 1: a wall kind of, And he said, and then as
Speaker 1: an adult, he couldn't really hold down a job, he
Speaker 1: would see people who reminded him of his foster father,
Speaker 1: and every time he saw somebody that reminded him of him,
Speaker 1: he would feel like a death. He would feel like
Speaker 1: his heart stop beating and like his color would drain,
Speaker 1: and he would just feel like he died. So it
Speaker 1: was hard to like be a postal worker or like
Speaker 1: some of the jobs that he was attempting to do. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: Marco says, I remember, like if Sven's bedroom door was
Speaker 1: open and he and he wasn't in his room, I
Speaker 1: knew what was happening, but.
Speaker 3: The two boys never talked about it.
Speaker 1: He goes, quote it was an absolutely taboo subject, is
Speaker 1: what Marco said. So, and like what's super sad too,
Speaker 1: is that the entire time that Marco is in custody
Speaker 1: of this guy, his mother is trying to get custody
Speaker 1: of him again. She's trying to see him, and every
Speaker 1: time they have a visit Henkel is she's canceling.
Speaker 3: He's canceling the visits at the last minute. He's disrupting
Speaker 3: the visits.
Speaker 1: He's creating like situations to make it look like all
Speaker 1: these psychological symptoms of abuse that Marco is suffering from
Speaker 1: are like bedwetting, struggling in school, bad behavior, as marks
Speaker 1: against the mother, saying oh, every time he sees his mother,
Speaker 1: it just sets off these psychological aftershocks that like he
Speaker 1: really shouldn't have visits with her anymore. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, Henkel and Kentler are disparaging the mother
Speaker 1: left and right openly in front of him, and so
Speaker 1: Marko eventually just completely rejected his mother. And Marco had
Speaker 1: no friends, he had no connected relationships really with anybody,
Speaker 1: and Henkel encouraged him to act out in school. He
Speaker 1: would give him rewards for spitting, for talking out in class,
Speaker 1: for acting badly. He skipped school all the time, and
Speaker 1: he rarely did his homework. And then guess what, you
Speaker 1: get to switch schools, which was his plan. If you
Speaker 1: keep switching schools, no one can like document this abuse
Speaker 1: that's happening or these symptoms, you know, So that was
Speaker 1: obviously his plan.
Speaker 3: It's so insidious, it's so gross.
Speaker 1: So eventually Marco started working out to be strong enough
Speaker 1: to defend himself, and one time he fought back and
Speaker 1: Henkel stopped molesting him but started being punitive, like he
Speaker 1: started withholding his food hitting him, abusing him. And so
Speaker 1: when Marco was eighteen, obviously legally free to emancipate to
Speaker 1: go out on his own, it didn't even occur to
Speaker 1: him to move out. Marco said, it's very hard to describe,
Speaker 1: but I was never raised to think critically about anything.
Speaker 1: I had an empty mind. He just never thought, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I'm finally eighteen. I can't get out of here. I
Speaker 1: can have a life, I can do this, I can
Speaker 1: do that. Like it's never not to mention he's probably
Speaker 1: not doing well in school because he's abused and having
Speaker 1: all these effects.
Speaker 3: But also as a foster mother is like act like a.
Speaker 1: Dick in school, do what you want, you know, like
Speaker 1: just like breaking him down and ruining his life like
Speaker 1: peace by piece. And so probably wouldn't shock you to
Speaker 1: find out that Kentler himself had foster and adopted children,
Speaker 1: one of like there's obviously no documentation that he abused them,
Speaker 1: there's one of them that they think he sexually abused
Speaker 1: or that there's proof of it.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it would shock anyone to hear this.
Speaker 1: And one of his sons eventually took his own life
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one and which Kentler said, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: not because I sexually abused.
Speaker 3: Him, as his birth mother sexually abused him.
Speaker 1: Okay, jan So anyway, after his son's his foster son's death,
Speaker 1: he apparently changed his mind on pedophiles having sexual contact
Speaker 1: with children, and he described pedophilia as a sexual disorder
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine disorder crime.
Speaker 3: Yes, like what yes?
Speaker 4: Fuck?
Speaker 3: And I guess what happened.
Speaker 1: What contributed to this besides the death of his son
Speaker 1: was he read this paper called Confusion of the Tongues
Speaker 1: between Adults and the Child parentheses thefanguage of tenderness and
Speaker 1: of passion and parentheses. I don't love the title of this,
Speaker 1: but it is by Sandor Farensi, who is a Hungarian
Speaker 1: psychoanalyst who wrote about how sexualized relationships between adult and
Speaker 1: children are always asymmetrical, exploitative, and destructive because these are
Speaker 1: not two equal people. Basically what we always say, like
Speaker 1: the same as a teacher having.
Speaker 3: Some they know it, yeah, Like that's the thing. It's
Speaker 3: like they fucking know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like telling him to not act right in school,
Speaker 2: Like fuck.
Speaker 1: It's like a teacher raping a student. Sure, the student
Speaker 1: maybe thinks his teacher's hot, and that it's hot to
Speaker 1: have sex with a teacher.
Speaker 3: The relationship is not equal.
Speaker 1: There is a power dynamic, right, so it is not
Speaker 1: good and this Farensi guy also wrote that children's quote
Speaker 1: personalities are not sufficially consolidated in order to be able
Speaker 1: to protest, and that children will quote subordinate themselves like automata.
Speaker 1: They become oblivious of their own needs and identify themselves with.
Speaker 3: The aggressor, is what the New Yorker writes about this paper.
Speaker 1: So yeah, nothing happens to Kentler in he dies in
Speaker 1: like I think eight he dies.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: A report is prepared by scientists called Helmet Kenler's work
Speaker 1: in Berlin Child and Youth Services and is presented in
Speaker 1: Berlin in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: In this same report, the author.
Speaker 1: Said that in the thousands of unorganized files they find
Speaker 1: on this experiment, no names are revealed, but the authors
Speaker 1: wrote quote, these foster homes were run by sometimes powerful
Speaker 1: men who lived alone and who were given this power
Speaker 1: by academia, research, research institutions, and other pedagogical environments that accepted, supported,
Speaker 1: or even lived out pedophile stances. They also wrote that
Speaker 1: quote quote unquote senate actors had been part of this network,
Speaker 1: while others had turned the other cheek because quote icons
Speaker 1: of educational reform policies supported such arrangements. So essentially saying
Speaker 1: what we're seeing about Epstein is that it's all these
Speaker 1: powerful people, it's people in government, and in this case,
Speaker 1: they're going, well, we've got this guy named Kenler who's
Speaker 1: telled us that this is all supported by science and
Speaker 1: psychological study, so it's all good. And after the report
Speaker 1: was presented, the Berlin Senator for Education did promise those
Speaker 1: affected by the abuse in this experiment financial compensation, So
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not real close to enough, but they
Speaker 1: are planning to as of twenty twenty, I mean, as
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, trying to compensate the victims. And I
Speaker 1: would I mean, I'm gonna link to the New Yorker
Speaker 1: article for what would Sister peg do, probably because it
Speaker 1: is really much longer and in depth and goes into
Speaker 1: more of Kenler's upbringing and things like that.
Speaker 3: But it's just it seems to me.
Speaker 1: Like this is just a pedophile who did a bunch
Speaker 1: of quote unquote psychological research to excuse their own urges,
Speaker 1: and it costs, Like the fact that it was state
Speaker 1: funded is so fucked up, like funded by the government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's everyone going, yeah, exactly, Yeah, the two dumb
Speaker 2: bitches going exactly. Well, I mean the government was like
Speaker 2: sterilizing black people against their will. Yeah, I don't really,
Speaker 2: I don't hold the government at high esteem, right, And
Speaker 2: they're probably like, well, we have to find homes for
Speaker 2: these foster children, so why not put them in at
Speaker 2: a pedo you know.
Speaker 1: And then of course, like obviously another part of this
Speaker 1: episode is like sex tourism and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But what I've understood from sex tourism is it's more
Speaker 1: like what we were talking about earlier, which is like
Speaker 1: men go to the Philippines, to Thailand and various countries
Speaker 1: and they commit these crimes and then they go back
Speaker 1: to the United States. I wasn't understanding that a lot
Speaker 1: of them are like bringing back children as their adopted children,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure that also happens.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it's the merchandise that episode with the
Speaker 2: guy from Evil, Yes, you know, it's like they don't.
Speaker 3: What is it? Guns? Drugs? Humans? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What how did it say in the episode that Jose
Speaker 1: and Arnesto got to this charter sailboat, so because he
Speaker 1: has parents that are looking for him, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they thought he was going to go to
Speaker 2: the school. But we've always talked about it, like, no
Speaker 2: one's trying to help your kids stop right, no one
Speaker 2: wants to like yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: No one's trying to help your kid in a way
Speaker 1: that requires you not being with them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. If it's like, oh, we want to put
Speaker 1: your kid into this program and like you would go
Speaker 1: with him every Saturday and he would like that, maybe
Speaker 1: that's like legit, you know, not we need to take
Speaker 1: your kid. Like it's like, yeah, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like the parents that let Ki the kids with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: But what about like boarding school, summer camp could be suspicious,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, sending your kid anywhere?
Speaker 3: That's true too.
Speaker 1: I'm like the number one proponent of sleep away camp
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, away from your and you know that.
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, okay, well we don't have a guest
Speaker 1: this episode, so let's just dive right into that post mortem.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's like crazy, and like, you know, since it's
Speaker 2: Pride Month, I will say like in terms of this episode,
Speaker 2: it's like being homophobic enables pedophiles because you're like by
Speaker 2: saying like, oh and I just watched the Rosie Perez
Speaker 2: one too, so I'm like namble in my mind. But
Speaker 2: this idea of like we're discriminated against it is just
Speaker 2: child adult love.
Speaker 3: We're just like gay people.
Speaker 2: And it's like if you are homophobic, then that argument,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it like gives it validity.
Speaker 2: Like if you think being gay is perverted and like
Speaker 2: perverse or whatever, then like it's easy to or if
Speaker 2: you think all gay people are pedophle, like it makes
Speaker 2: it easier for these people to have a leg to
Speaker 2: stand on. It's like another reason why like homophobia is bad.
Speaker 2: And yeah, someone is a quote where oh Morgan Freeman
Speaker 2: is a quote. It's like, you don't have a phobia.
Speaker 2: You're not scared of gay people. You're you're a fucking bigot,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, I hate even.
Speaker 3: The language, right a rachnophobia.
Speaker 1: You're scared of a spider, you are scared, you are running,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not scared to be in the same
Speaker 1: room with a person that's gay. You just want to
Speaker 1: control people. I really don't know what it is. But yes,
Speaker 1: the thing about NAMBLA is the good thing is is
Speaker 1: it feels like it's a step too far for most people.
Speaker 1: Like even the people that are like freedom of speech
Speaker 1: warriors and like the biggest bigots are like, it's.
Speaker 3: Not true, but I don't support these people.
Speaker 2: No, that's not true because that's only with little boys
Speaker 2: and gay they're the child marriage is legal in most states,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like they're totally fine marrying
Speaker 2: off a thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, but I'm saying NAMBLA is a
Speaker 1: step too far for them, not like not like the
Speaker 1: age difference like emb for.
Speaker 2: Most I'm like, no, they still go to church as
Speaker 2: their priests molest their children like they are I feeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm just saying, like NAMBLET doesn't have
Speaker 1: like a huge underground swell of supporters of people that
Speaker 1: are like I mean, I actually think it's totally fine
Speaker 1: like most Like I was reading that people who even these.
Speaker 3: Like horrible like a lot of like horrible.
Speaker 1: Like people were like, well, I don't like, but I
Speaker 1: don't like NAMBLA, Like they'll be like they'll be like
Speaker 1: anti Semitic people like horrible bigots that are like but
Speaker 1: not these guys, like we're not like, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's criminal.
Speaker 2: But it also makes me wonder, like what is the
Speaker 2: percentage of pedophiles who think they're doing nothing wrong? And
Speaker 2: even those that are nambler, like, do they know they're
Speaker 2: actually doing something wrong and it's the cover and like
Speaker 2: they think it's love and consensual whatever and it's natural
Speaker 2: and the Bible told them it's fine and Greek people
Speaker 2: did it, you know, or whatever people say, or how
Speaker 2: many of it, like the people know it's wrong and
Speaker 2: get off on the torture pay and all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: I do wonder they both hurt children.
Speaker 2: I am just curious about the inner workings of a
Speaker 2: pedophile and how many know what they're doing is bad
Speaker 2: or they truly think it's some positive thing for this child.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to think that it's like a
Speaker 1: way of coping with the fact that you know you're
Speaker 1: doing something wrong. It's like you're you're you're you've created
Speaker 1: an excuse for it, like oh no, they actually like
Speaker 1: love it and we're actually in a relationship and it's
Speaker 1: amazing and yeh no. I was like so shocked to
Speaker 1: learn so much about what I learned researching this episode.
Speaker 1: Like not just I mean we have I've always known
Speaker 1: about Nambla, but like this this uh sexologist and all
Speaker 1: this shit that went down in Germany.
Speaker 3: It's like so fucked.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess the post mortem on this episode.
Speaker 2: Never trust a man that place squash, Yeah, if never
Speaker 2: let a single man adopt children. And if any man
Speaker 2: goes to Central America, he's a pedophile, Like they cannot.
Speaker 2: Men should not be able to go on vacation alone.
Speaker 2: That's that's actually what we've learned. That's the main post mortem. Yeah,
Speaker 2: men should not be able to travel alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should, like there should be like a no
Speaker 1: fly list of just men that are like I just
Speaker 1: wanted to check out Thailand. I just wanted to see
Speaker 1: it and none of my friends were available, so here I.
Speaker 3: Am like no.
Speaker 2: And this idea of when the tie like weird guys
Speaker 2: that go to like Asia to get quote unquote submissive
Speaker 2: women or like they're just more submissive here, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: they know how to act to get money because it's survival.
Speaker 3: You dumb fuck.
Speaker 2: You think they're just like submissive because they want to
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, and it's not like
Speaker 2: the culture creates it.
Speaker 3: It's like they're playing you as well or not playing you.
Speaker 3: It's dire. It's not games.
Speaker 2: It's just like this idea that it's their culture to
Speaker 2: be submissive versus like what you need to do to
Speaker 2: survive and make money or do whatever to get out
Speaker 2: of a country, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But also circling back to what you were saying before,
Speaker 1: it is really crazy how there is this disgust for
Speaker 1: NAMBLA and not for oh, like I'm nineteen and I
Speaker 1: have a fourteen year old girlfriend, or like just not
Speaker 1: waiting for people to develop their frontal cortex so that
Speaker 1: they can make decisions on their own life because.
Speaker 3: That's what they're into.
Speaker 2: Chloe Cherry who's in Euphoria, who is like a porn
Speaker 2: star for a long time. I don't know if she
Speaker 2: still does porn but in an interview shoot, and it's
Speaker 2: obvious if you like or know anything about it. But
Speaker 2: it's like they once you're twenty two year old, like
Speaker 2: you could be a milf at twenty eight and porn
Speaker 2: like what cells is eighteen? Like I think men or
Speaker 2: pedophiles deep down, Like I don't like that, and that
Speaker 2: leads the culture and and now it's been proven like
Speaker 2: besides us like being like, oh, conspiracy theory, It's like, no,
Speaker 2: the people that created the fashion while we were growing
Speaker 2: up and the trends were pedophiles and like these people
Speaker 2: want to rape children, and so it's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I think so, I think, and we've like talked about
Speaker 2: this before. It's like, because there is a twenty eight
Speaker 2: year old that can have just as banging of a
Speaker 2: physical body as an eighteen year old, right, Or a
Speaker 2: thirty eight year old can have like just as banging
Speaker 2: of a body as an eighteen year old. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: the fact that you feel like you could just like
Speaker 2: control this person and tell them what to do, and
Speaker 2: like they're just like raising they would just look up to.
Speaker 3: You and go, oh my god, you're so in charge.
Speaker 1: You're powerful or smart or whatever is your kink that
Speaker 1: you want to be perceived as that they're just these
Speaker 1: blank canvases.
Speaker 2: Yes, because if you're thirty eight with a bang and
Speaker 2: body and have everything going for you, like you probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't be impressed with the men that date children, right, right,
Speaker 2: Like anything they do would not be impressive. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Chloe's Sherry was just and I you and you see
Speaker 2: it when you're on porn site. It's like eighteen freshot
Speaker 2: like that's what that's what the main that's what they want.
Speaker 2: And they're like there's this porn start Sha Gray and
Speaker 2: I feel like I've mentioned her before, but like so hot,
Speaker 2: probably one of the most beautiful people ever, and like
Speaker 2: people like the comments are so rude of like why
Speaker 2: don't you look like this?
Speaker 3: Why don't you do this?
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, now I'm twenty seven and then
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, so like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And like, yeah, that we're that even the idea that
Speaker 2: you should have the same body you had in high
Speaker 2: school and that that's what everyone should be working towards
Speaker 2: is crazy. Yeah, I mean body stuff, all of it.
Speaker 2: And it's like when you bring up these things in
Speaker 2: terms of feminism or just like whatever, it's seen like
Speaker 2: too much or you're nitpicking, but it's like it all
Speaker 2: is a symptom of stuff and all connects and it
Speaker 2: all is symbolic of huge stuff. Like when I hear
Speaker 2: people talking about like now that like muscles are in
Speaker 2: like how long, Like the propaganda that like lifting weights
Speaker 2: would make you look like a man for women.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like I was watching a.
Speaker 2: Man talk about it, where it's like that is patriarchal
Speaker 2: propaganda to make sure that you're not strong so you
Speaker 2: can get thrown around in murdered and thrown in a river.
Speaker 3: You know, my gosh, wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even think about it that way, but
Speaker 1: like I Chracy Anderson and that was like the whole
Speaker 1: thing was super super lightweight because you don't want to
Speaker 1: get bulky, you don't want to get too.
Speaker 2: Even though science is like, no, we all should be
Speaker 2: building our muscle for osteoporosis so we're ready or whatever
Speaker 2: it is or muscle a lot.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not a scientist, but it is.
Speaker 2: It's really cool to see the new wave of fitness
Speaker 2: be like strong strength, fight like and.
Speaker 1: I think part of it also people are talking about
Speaker 1: perimenopause a lot more like women are talking more about perimenopause,
Speaker 1: and that whole thing is like you gotta start hooting,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your muscle mass up.
Speaker 2: Like, but that's also so connects right now that you
Speaker 2: mentioned it to pedophilia and patriarchy, because it's just like
Speaker 2: men don't care about old women. Yeah, so there's no
Speaker 2: research ever that there was no research made.
Speaker 3: No one gave a fuck it is.
Speaker 2: It's so perverse and sick, and it's like then we're
Speaker 2: meant to like seem sillier. We're over exaggerating or like
Speaker 2: about these little things that quote unquote don't matter. But
Speaker 2: it's like they do matter when it's all piled up
Speaker 2: on each other and you have to fight it, and
Speaker 2: then it's like, well, if you don't like it, do it.
Speaker 2: And it's like fighting against the grain is not an
Speaker 2: easy path, yeah, because people always like to say like
Speaker 2: you say it like it is. I'm like tons of consequences,
Speaker 2: like constant consequences to trying to fight people, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, or the system, like even me playing
Speaker 2: football in eighth grade, Like I got the shit beat
Speaker 2: out of me. And I'm not talking because it's football,
Speaker 2: but because they hated me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's just like it's just always, it's just always yeah,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, yeah tough.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they gave you like an extra hard
Speaker 1: time on the football team.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's this game where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: someone starts in the middle and everyone runs, and then
Speaker 2: whoever that person tackles ends up in the middle, and
Speaker 2: then you keep running back and.
Speaker 3: Forth until the last house.
Speaker 2: They left me for last on top all the time
Speaker 2: on purpose, so then they could all beat the shit
Speaker 2: out of me. Or like we would be scrimmaging in
Speaker 2: practice and it would be over and I'd get just
Speaker 2: fucking rocked. Or like one time we were playing another
Speaker 2: team and someone grabbed my face mask and started headbutting
Speaker 2: my chin, and I had like a giant bruise on
Speaker 2: my chin. I told you, like my school thought I
Speaker 2: was being abused. We had to have a whole meeting
Speaker 2: with my family. What the fight you were? Like football?
Speaker 2: I was just bruised and like the game is rough,
Speaker 2: but like the like yeah, they didn't want ye.
Speaker 1: They were like, if we give her the right bruise,
Speaker 1: she'll quit. Like if we get her good, she'll quit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously, like that was my young brain's idea
Speaker 2: of what feminism is, like I should join this guy thing,
Speaker 2: so you know, but I was in eighth grade and
Speaker 2: that's just what I thought.
Speaker 3: Dude, that's that's so fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: Oh. They and I would also have like two braids
Speaker 2: under my helmet and they would pull the braids and
Speaker 2: throw me to the ground. Yeah, that's like a movie.
Speaker 2: That's why I want anyone at the comedy cellar and
Speaker 2: stuff fucks with me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you guys don't even know you.
Speaker 1: It's like those videos, those old like meme videos that
Speaker 1: are like you think you can hurt me. I was
Speaker 1: the only girl on my eighth grade football team and
Speaker 1: they fucking tortured and.
Speaker 3: I had my period and white pants wearing a pad.
Speaker 3: My god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So I'm like perioding in white tight pants getting rocked.
Speaker 1: Like nobody can ever say you haven't done the work
Speaker 1: for feminism.
Speaker 3: No one can say it. That's fucking insane.
Speaker 2: And now like people are coming around to like kind
Speaker 2: of hating Chris Rock a little bit, Like people are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was so rude during the comics. Who's the worst
Speaker 2: shut He's this and that, And it's like I just
Speaker 2: am always ahead, always ahead. Come you guys will all
Speaker 2: catch up to me at some point in terms of
Speaker 2: man hatred. And I don't know where this came from,
Speaker 2: like because in third grade I told my parents I
Speaker 2: was not having children, Like, I don't know, is it
Speaker 2: because I watched.
Speaker 3: The Nanny, Like, I don't know where this is all
Speaker 3: friend Dreasure's vault. Yeah, yeah, I am so curious.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think about like brave kids that
Speaker 2: know they need to like escape cults, Like how do
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 3: How do you know that?
Speaker 1: Like an innate sense of what is right and what
Speaker 1: is wrong and what is for you and what is
Speaker 1: not for you?
Speaker 2: But how does that happen when you're like in a cult?
Speaker 2: Like I think about these kids that escape cults all
Speaker 2: the time, and like they just knew something was up, yes, knew,
Speaker 2: or religion anything where or you realize your parents don't know,
Speaker 2: or like yeah it's I just where does it come from? Well?
Speaker 2: I also just knew that my mom cleaned and cooked
Speaker 2: and did everything and worked and I didn't like it.
Speaker 3: I just saw that.
Speaker 2: And my sister too, She's like I saw mom cleaning
Speaker 2: on the weekends while us with dad would go do
Speaker 2: fun stuff, and I said, never, never will that be?
Speaker 3: Oh see, I thought it's so cool.
Speaker 2: My mom is like a doctor and like the boss,
Speaker 2: Like my mom made more money than my father.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's add that to the mixes. We I
Speaker 1: didn't know that until I was older. But yeah, of course, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but my dad worked very hard.
Speaker 2: He just had to work more while my mom got
Speaker 2: to go to call like school to learn English.
Speaker 3: Like it's not like my dad was some you know chump.
Speaker 2: He was working, like he was waking up at four
Speaker 2: thirty in the morning, all activities.
Speaker 3: But it is.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad I had a dad that hung out
Speaker 2: with me and rollerbladed and did all these things. But like,
Speaker 2: it sucks that my mom missed out, but it was
Speaker 2: also her only time to be alone. So she liked
Speaker 2: us all leaving because cleaning was the only time she
Speaker 2: could get rid of us.
Speaker 3: That's I can relate to.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: I can relate to that.
Speaker 1: Jared took the kids out last Sunday for like an
Speaker 1: hour to go get food and I just talked on
Speaker 1: the phone with a friend for like an hour, and
Speaker 1: I was like like just lying on my bed. I
Speaker 1: was like, I never do this. I never talked to
Speaker 1: somebody in the middle of the day like and just chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what do you think about I mean, we
Speaker 2: need to wrap this up, but like it is this
Speaker 2: thing I've been seeing where you didn't have to be
Speaker 2: as active above a parent back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like my mom talks on the phone, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Well, but like we weren't expected to spend
Speaker 2: this as much time. I've just seen this online, so
Speaker 2: I don't know the realities. No, it's a hundred percent,
Speaker 2: it's one hundred percent. Like you would also just say
Speaker 2: go out.
Speaker 1: They would just say go out and play, and like
Speaker 1: my kids do that too, like a small extent, but
Speaker 1: they expect to be entertained all the time, and like
Speaker 1: they want our attention all the time.
Speaker 3: It's just different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Sundays and Saturdays, I remember like sitting around
Speaker 1: the house having to go to Hebrew school. After Hebrew School,
Speaker 1: my dad take me to the goddamn hardware store for
Speaker 1: an hour while I sat there like staring into space.
Speaker 1: I would not get away with ten minutes of that.
Speaker 1: Like they would just be like what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: I mean, they would whine until I died. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what we set ourselves up for.
Speaker 1: But it's different. And then my parents look at me
Speaker 1: like why don't you why can't you get this under control?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, because we're not allowed to hit them.
Speaker 1: We can't hit them. We can't smack them. How do
Speaker 1: they react when you say that?
Speaker 3: They're like they laugh, they think it's funny.
Speaker 1: And then and I go and like, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to send them to their rooms, Like I mean, you
Speaker 1: can separate them whatever for like like I need to
Speaker 1: separate you because you're hurting somebody or whatever, but like,
Speaker 1: you don't go just We had a chair in my
Speaker 1: house that was called the chair, and it was go
Speaker 1: sit in the chair, and it was just facing the
Speaker 1: wall of our dining room and you just had to
Speaker 1: sit and stare at the.
Speaker 3: Wall until our parents told you could get up? Are
Speaker 3: you kidding?
Speaker 1: I could never My kids would never fucking do that,
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want.
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I also love.
Speaker 2: The videos of like parents having to discipline their kids
Speaker 2: but they just want to laugh so hard because like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, but they have to discipline, but they're just like, loo,
Speaker 2: it's so.
Speaker 1: Hard, especially like when Oscar will swear now and it's
Speaker 1: so funny coming out of his little mouth and I'm like, stop,
Speaker 1: don't talk like that. You can't, but like I can't
Speaker 1: stop laughing. But okay, let's move on to what would
Speaker 1: sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: direct you towards an article, a blog, a documentary.
Speaker 3: I love to say a blog, a doc like.
Speaker 1: A movie, something to give you more info, or an
Speaker 1: organization where you can donate. But this week, obviously I
Speaker 1: don't want you donating to NAMBLA. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: just point you guys to the article in The New
Speaker 1: Yorker that I used for part of my sources in
Speaker 1: my research, because it's actually super interesting.
Speaker 3: It's very long.
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to cover like every aspect of it.
Speaker 1: It's one of those like long New Yorker reads that
Speaker 1: you can like curl up with for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's called the German Experiment that placed foster children with
Speaker 1: pedophiles by Rachel Avive, and it gets into all the
Speaker 1: details behind this horrific experiment of German psychologists and sexologist
Speaker 1: Helmut Kenler. So if you're interested in more details than
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