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Speaker 1: more on this edition of the show. Stigmatized Properties The facts.
Speaker 1: That's right, just the facts, ma'am. Do you know what
Speaker 1: a stigmatized property is? That is an official term for
Speaker 1: a location with a bad reputation And I'm going to
Speaker 1: dig into that more deeply soon, But right off the bat,
Speaker 1: when I think about this, given my background, it reminds
Speaker 1: me of you know, growing up becoming a ghost hunter,
Speaker 1: and at some point hearing about this house in New
Speaker 1: York that is considered the only legally haunted house in America.
Speaker 1: And I know you're thinking, what what do you mean
Speaker 1: legally haunted? It's interesting, isn't it. Well, let me explain here.
Speaker 1: There is an article I recently found about this topic
Speaker 1: at realtor dot com. I'll just give you the first
Speaker 1: paragraph or so. It says, uh, where's the beginning? Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go. It says. Cynthia Aclee. Kavanaugh recalls sitting
Speaker 1: on her bed in her new home when the cord
Speaker 1: to the light above began swinging in a way that
Speaker 1: she had never seen before. It wasn't sloping in an
Speaker 1: arc as it should. Instead, it was as if some
Speaker 1: invisible force were playing ping pong with the pool switch.
Speaker 1: The year was nineteen sixty seven. Her father had gotten
Speaker 1: a job in New York City, and the family had
Speaker 1: recently traded their Maryland farm for a derelict Victorian just
Speaker 1: north of New York City. Her parents, Helen and George Aclee,
Speaker 1: were determined to restore the rundown forty two hundred square
Speaker 1: foot house on the Hudson River, where they planned to
Speaker 1: raise their four children. Built in eighteen ninety, the house
Speaker 1: had sat to vacant for seven years before the Acles
Speaker 1: bought it, and during that time, neighborhood children would say
Speaker 1: they saw faces in the windows. Over their two decades
Speaker 1: in the home, the Acles would have many inexplicable experiences.
Speaker 1: They heard mysterious footsteps and voices, doors and windows would
Speaker 1: fly open on several occasions. They claimed they even received
Speaker 1: it's from peaceful spirits wearing clothes from centuries past. The
Speaker 1: paranormal was just part and parcel of their new home.
Speaker 1: There's a picture of this house in this article, and
Speaker 1: it sure looks haunted. This article, by the way, is
Speaker 1: by Claire Trepasso, and it goes on to say the
Speaker 1: Old Victorian would eventually achieve infamy. In the early nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: after the Aclies put it on the market, when the
Speaker 1: buyers learned of the home's supernatural history, they tried to
Speaker 1: back out of the deal to recover their deposit. They sued,
Speaker 1: and the court for the first time established that a
Speaker 1: property was haunted in a published opinion. That opinion, colloquially
Speaker 1: referred to as the Ghostbuster's ruling, established the Aclye residence
Speaker 1: as the owner known legally haunted house in America. And then,
Speaker 1: of course this article goes on to talk at great
Speaker 1: length about the things that were happening in the house.
Speaker 1: But let's get to the point of this podcast. What
Speaker 1: do you mean they a court determined this was a
Speaker 1: legally haunted house. Well, here is how all that panned out,
Speaker 1: because this goes back to this idea of a stigmatized property. Okay,
Speaker 1: So in that case, which was called Stambovski versus Aclie,
Speaker 1: the New York Supreme Court Appellate Division affirmed a narrow
Speaker 1: interpretation of the idea of stigmatized property. The court held
Speaker 1: that since the property in question was previously marketed by
Speaker 1: the seller as a quote haunted house, he was a
Speaker 1: stopped And that's a legal term, a stopped, which I'm
Speaker 1: not a lawyer, but I believe that means you can't
Speaker 1: renig on something that you've said before. He was a
Speaker 1: stopped from claiming the contrary. The majority opinion specifically noted
Speaker 1: that the veracity of the claims of paranormal activities were
Speaker 1: outside the purview of the opinion. Okay, So basically, here's
Speaker 1: what I believe that means in plain language that at
Speaker 1: some point in the past the people who own the
Speaker 1: house had claimed in some notable way that the house
Speaker 1: was haunted. And so the court found that if you
Speaker 1: claim that your house is haunted, then from a legal
Speaker 1: standpoint in the real estate market, that makes it haunted,
Speaker 1: and in some cases that has to be disclosed. So
Speaker 1: it's not about the reality of the phenomenon, it's about
Speaker 1: the opinion that the owner has of the property that
Speaker 1: the owner is trying to sell. That's really odd and
Speaker 1: interesting on a number of levels, isn't it. It almost
Speaker 1: borders on the Tulpa thing, like can you make your
Speaker 1: property haunted by just saying it's haunted? But okay, but
Speaker 1: let me look at myself here. Okay, so you know,
Speaker 1: I have this house that I bought a little over
Speaker 1: a year ago here in Las Vegas. Now, I do
Speaker 1: not believe this house is haunted. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I would not live in a haunted house because I
Speaker 1: don't like surprises. If I go to a haunted house,
Speaker 1: that's work for me. Okay. Here, I also feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in a haunted place, it's almost
Speaker 1: like an invasion of privacy or there's something looming over you.
Speaker 1: So I do not live in a haunted house. I have, however,
Speaker 1: had ghostly things happen in this house if I bring
Speaker 1: in certain objects and stuff, and you know, I've mentioned
Speaker 1: that before, like, for example, the the FDR wheelchair. But regardless,
Speaker 1: So does that mean, however, you know I've gotten on
Speaker 1: the radio and I've said, like, there has been ghostly
Speaker 1: activity in my house. Does that mean that if I
Speaker 1: ever wanted to sell this house, that I would have
Speaker 1: to make a point to bring up to the buyer
Speaker 1: that ghostly things have happened here, Because in some cases
Speaker 1: that would be completely weird and out of the blue
Speaker 1: and inappropriate. Probably in most cases. Actually, Now, of course,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a crazy guy. So when I was,
Speaker 1: you know, with my realtor and we were looking at
Speaker 1: this house, I said, so, just tell me, you know,
Speaker 1: straight up, has there ever been a dead body in
Speaker 1: the attic or anything like? Has anybody has anything crazy
Speaker 1: happened here?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Nothing has. That's one of the things about living in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. A lot of the real estate around here
Speaker 1: is quite New Vegas as we know, it didn't even
Speaker 1: start really appearing until the nineteen forties. You know, but
Speaker 1: nonetheless would I have to do that? Well, in a second,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into the laws, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you what the facts are to some extent
Speaker 1: on a state by state basis for whether or not
Speaker 1: you have to disclose that kind of information. And it
Speaker 1: turns out here where I am no, I would not
Speaker 1: have to say that. In some places you would have
Speaker 1: to bring that up. And you might want to bring
Speaker 1: it up anyway, just to be on the safe side.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But this all goes back to the
Speaker 1: idea of a stigmatized property, and so here is what
Speaker 1: that means. In real estate. Stigmatized is a property that
Speaker 1: buyers or tenants may shun for reasons that are unrelated
Speaker 1: to its physical condition or features. These can include the
Speaker 1: death of an occupant, murder, suicide, or yes, even the
Speaker 1: belief that a house is haunted. Isn't this an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to start exploring again, We're talking about things that
Speaker 1: are unrelated to the physical condition, and yet it makes
Speaker 1: it a difference in terms of how desirable a place is. Hmm.
Speaker 1: I wonder why that phenomenon exists if there's nothing to
Speaker 1: the idea of a spiritual realm. Or things that get
Speaker 1: imprinted right says. Controversy exists regarding the definitions of stigma
Speaker 1: and what sorts of stigma must be disclosed atsel it
Speaker 1: is argued that the seller has a duty to disclose
Speaker 1: any such history of the property. This, in practice falls
Speaker 1: into two categories demonstrable, which is physical and emotional. Local
Speaker 1: jurisdictions vary widely on their interpretation of these issues, and
Speaker 1: it occasionally contradicts federal law. When we come back from
Speaker 1: this brig, I'm going to break this down and go
Speaker 1: into like, okay, what are the types of stigma and
Speaker 1: then what what states are there. There's just a handful
Speaker 1: of states that say absolutely, you've got to disclose this.
Speaker 1: We'll dig into that when we come back. You know,
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Speaker 1: Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden
Speaker 1: and every night is silver. IDSI a tato zume and
Speaker 1: I'm talking right now about stigmatized properties. And there is
Speaker 1: a list of different types of stigma. Many jurisdictions recognize
Speaker 1: several forms of stigmatized property and it passed resolutions or
Speaker 1: statutes to deal with them. And one issue that separates
Speaker 1: them is disclosure. Depending on the jurisdiction of the house,
Speaker 1: the seller may not be required to disclose the full facts.
Speaker 1: Some specific types must always be disclosed, others are up
Speaker 1: to the jurisdiction, and others, in some cases up to
Speaker 1: the realtor. And again I'm gonna get into a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a state by state breakdown here in
Speaker 1: a minute. But here are types of stigma. Okay, First,
Speaker 1: we have criminal stigma, meaning the property was used in
Speaker 1: the ongoing commission of a crime. So, for example, a
Speaker 1: house is stigmatized if it has been used as a
Speaker 1: bravl a chop shop, or a drug den. Next, we
Speaker 1: have a debt stigma. Debt collectors unaware that a debtor
Speaker 1: has moved out of a particular residence may continue their
Speaker 1: pursuit at the same location, resulting in harassment of innocent
Speaker 1: subsequent occupiers. So that can be especially bad if like
Speaker 1: some collection agency has very aggressive or even illegal tactics
Speaker 1: and they don't realize, like, you got the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: You know that that dude is gone. Next, there is
Speaker 1: a category called minimal stigma. It says it's known to
Speaker 1: or taken seriously by only a small select group, and
Speaker 1: such a stigma is unlikely to affect the ability to
Speaker 1: sell the property. That's weird because they don't even give
Speaker 1: an example of that, And so I guess minimal stigma
Speaker 1: would be almost like maybe, you know, maybe they're just
Speaker 1: some neighbors who didn't like the person in the house
Speaker 1: and they therefore have a dislike of that general piece
Speaker 1: of property. I don't know. Next, this is where it
Speaker 1: gets more obvious, the murder suicide stigma. Some jurisdictions in
Speaker 1: the United States require property sellers to reveal if a
Speaker 1: murder or suicide occurred on the premises. California state law
Speaker 1: does if the event occurred within the previous three years.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, isn't it. So only if it's within three
Speaker 1: years do you have to have to bring that up
Speaker 1: To protect sellers from lawsuits, Florida state law does not
Speaker 1: require any notification, and North Carolina sellers and agents do
Speaker 1: not have to volunteer information about the death of previous occupants.
Speaker 1: But a direct question must be answered truthfully. So, I
Speaker 1: guess if you're selling the place, you don't have to
Speaker 1: bring it up. But if somebody asks you, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know the answer, you need to tell them.
Speaker 1: And then there is what they call the phenomena stigma. Many,
Speaker 1: but not all, jurisdictions require disclosure if a house is
Speaker 1: renowned for haunting, ghost sidings, et cetera. This is in
Speaker 1: a separate category from public stigma, wherein the knowledge of
Speaker 1: haunting is restricted to a local market. Perceived paranormal activity
Speaker 1: is an indicator of a possible air quality hazard, such
Speaker 1: as carbon monoxide or toxic mold. That's interesting, huh, So
Speaker 1: they're making this case here that well, if you say
Speaker 1: it's haunted because weird you see weird things, it might
Speaker 1: not just be your imagination. Maybe there's something in the
Speaker 1: house that's toxic that's making you hallucinate. This actually gets
Speaker 1: pretty complicated, doesn't it, when you start really looking at
Speaker 1: all those kinds of variables. Next, we have the public
Speaker 1: stigma category, when the stigma is known to a wide
Speaker 1: selection of the population and any reasonable person can be
Speaker 1: expected to know of it. Examples include the Amityville Horror
Speaker 1: House and the home of the Menims Brothers. Public stigma
Speaker 1: must always be disclosed in almost all American and European jurisdictions.
Speaker 1: This really does boil down to the legal system and
Speaker 1: perhaps the opinion of a jury, doesn't it. And by
Speaker 1: the way, let me pause to say that I won't
Speaker 1: use his name here without his explicit permission, but I
Speaker 1: know a man who lives here in the US who
Speaker 1: is a paranormal investigator who specifically seeks out stigmatized properties
Speaker 1: that need, you know, renovation work and that kind of
Speaker 1: thing done because he is he's, for one thing, he's
Speaker 1: not only unafraid to be in that environment, but he
Speaker 1: wants to go to that environment because he's a great
Speaker 1: craftsman and he can do all of these you know,
Speaker 1: he could he literally have his own home improvement show.
Speaker 1: But at the same time he is investigating the paranormal.
Speaker 1: There are people who, you know, are I guess ironically
Speaker 1: more apt to buy a piece of property or to
Speaker 1: be involved somehow with the piece of property that is stigmatized.
Speaker 1: So uh, let's see this Encyclopedia article I'm reading here.
Speaker 1: It goes on and on saying, at least in the
Speaker 1: United States, the principle of caveat emptor I mean meaning
Speaker 1: let the buyer beware was held for many years to
Speaker 1: govern sales. As the idea of an implied warranty of
Speaker 1: habitability began to find blah blah. Okay, So but then
Speaker 1: you know, it gets into this this kind of changing
Speaker 1: because of that haunted house in New York case I
Speaker 1: was telling you about. And then they also in this
Speaker 1: article dig a little more deeply into stuff like you know,
Speaker 1: the Amityville horror House, and you know, just about any
Speaker 1: house were something reached a national threst threshold of fame,
Speaker 1: however you determine that. So, okay, what does this mean
Speaker 1: for you? Now? Look, I'm not going to go over
Speaker 1: every state. There are fifty states in the United States
Speaker 1: for those of you who are listening outside of our country.
Speaker 1: But Zillo, the real estate website, they put out this
Speaker 1: story in twenty nineteen, and it says selling a haunted house,
Speaker 1: here's what you need to know, And the subtitle here
Speaker 1: is Zillo analysis finds that most states don't require home
Speaker 1: sellers to disclose paranormal activity to buyers. And basically, here's
Speaker 1: the gist of this thing. They do talk about how
Speaker 1: that in some cases, like they say, like in Alaska,
Speaker 1: a death within one year must be disclosed.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and like in South Dakota, sellers must disclose a
Speaker 1: homicide on the property. I don't know how that these
Speaker 1: very specific nuanced laws get get brought up and passed
Speaker 1: in these particular states, But there are a lot of
Speaker 1: states that have some kind of little nuance like that, Like,
Speaker 1: for example, Alabama says, like a court ruled a seller
Speaker 1: must disclose any important defect or condition that affects the
Speaker 1: health or safety and is unknown to the buyer. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of up to interpretation, right like uh. And
Speaker 1: then in Arizona, because you know, obviously I'm starting with
Speaker 1: the a's here, it's it's a court ruled that a
Speaker 1: seller must disclose important facts that might negatively affect the
Speaker 1: value of the property. I guess that's kind of up
Speaker 1: to interpretation, because some people specifically buy places because they're haunted.
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of these like weird things,
Speaker 1: Like in Colorado, it says facts that could cause psychological
Speaker 1: impact or stigma, such as death, are not required to
Speaker 1: be disclosed. Paranormal activity likely not required to be disclosed.
Speaker 1: So when you go through this whole list of states
Speaker 1: and you see all of these little nuanced things, there
Speaker 1: are only let me see one, I think there are
Speaker 1: three states.
Speaker 6: One.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think there's only three states where there is
Speaker 1: a direct mention in the state law that says that
Speaker 1: you have got to disclose paranormal activity. Now, just take
Speaker 1: a moment and think what states do you think those are?
Speaker 1: Because they're all in the same area of the country.
Speaker 1: This is actually a really interesting kind of trivia question.
Speaker 1: What part of the United States of America do you
Speaker 1: think has this little cluster of states in which somebody
Speaker 1: took the time to write into the law that you
Speaker 1: have got to specifically disclose paranormal activity. And you know,
Speaker 1: I can imagine that there are people out there who
Speaker 1: would think, like, well, maybe it's somewhere in the South,
Speaker 1: you know, where they're more superstitious, like Louisiana or something
Speaker 1: like that. Or or you might think, well, maybe it's
Speaker 1: up in the north where you had like the witch
Speaker 1: trials stuff like that, or or maybe it's out west
Speaker 1: where you had all, you know, the the spooky things
Speaker 1: happening to the pioneers. It looks like it's break time.
Speaker 1: So when we come back, I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: what these states are where it is legally mandated in
Speaker 1: their actual law to disclose this. Then I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you about like at least one brush that I've
Speaker 1: had with this kind of situation where I went to
Speaker 1: a house where the people there just didn't want me
Speaker 1: to talk about ghosts, and maybe it's because they were
Speaker 1: going to sell it and they didn't want to get
Speaker 1: involved in this. And then I have so much other
Speaker 1: weird stuff. I'm glad that I've got some time left
Speaker 1: to dig into it. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening
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Speaker 1: the show where the unusual becomes usual. What do you
Speaker 1: think the four states are that specifically mention paranormal activity
Speaker 1: in their laws. You know, during the break, I was
Speaker 1: looking over all these states and all the nuances, and like,
Speaker 1: I think here's the best way to sum it up. Okay,
Speaker 1: So nine states have laws around the disclosure of death
Speaker 1: on the property. According to California law, sellers must disclose
Speaker 1: any deaths that have happened on the property within three years,
Speaker 1: as I said. In Alaska, a death within one year
Speaker 1: must be disclosed, And in South Dakota, sellers must disclose
Speaker 1: a homicide on the property. Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and South Carolina sellers must disclose a death
Speaker 1: on the property only if asked. But there are four
Speaker 1: states that specifically mentioned paranormal activity in their real estate
Speaker 1: disclosure laws. Those states are New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: and Minnesota. Now I'm gonna get deeper into that in
Speaker 1: a second, but right off the bat, I mean New York,
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and Massachusetts. That little cluster right there, I mean,
Speaker 1: you think of Massachusetts, you think of Salem, or at
Speaker 1: least I do, where the Salem which trials occurred, and
Speaker 1: all the superstition around there. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: that has anything to do with this or not, but
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that that little area is
Speaker 1: where you know they have paranormal activity. Mentioned Minnesota. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. All I can tell you is it's
Speaker 1: another northern state. But the funny thing is, even though
Speaker 1: those states have paranormal activity, that doesn't mean written into
Speaker 1: the law, that doesn't mean that you have to talk
Speaker 1: about the paranormal activity. So, for example, the laws in
Speaker 1: Minnesota and Massachusetts state that it is unnecessary to disclose
Speaker 1: if the house is haunted by paranormal activity or the supernatural,
Speaker 1: So they specifically point out paranormal stuff and say you
Speaker 1: don't have to talk about it. In New Jersey, a
Speaker 1: seller must truthfully tell a buyer if their property comes
Speaker 1: with departed roommates, so to speak, but only if asked.
Speaker 1: So again, it's one of those things, only if asked.
Speaker 1: And then because of that case in New York from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, in New York State declared that sellers
Speaker 1: must disclose to buyers that they think a house is
Speaker 1: haunted only if they have already shared this opinion quote
Speaker 1: to the public at large. But as long as they
Speaker 1: keep their supernatural encounters to themselves, they are under no
Speaker 1: obligation to speak up. And for more information on that,
Speaker 1: you can go to this website KRBHK dot com KRBHK
Speaker 1: dot com. Most states, however, according to this real estate site, says,
Speaker 1: most states follow the contract doctrine of the buyer beware. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's that's why. Really, you know, you can just
Speaker 1: check on it and just ask the questions or type
Speaker 1: the address in do an internet search. I think it
Speaker 1: would be interesting for some somebody who's a real like
Speaker 1: library geek out there to open a service that where
Speaker 1: you pay, you know, a couple hundred bucks or whatever,
Speaker 1: and the person just goes and researches the history of
Speaker 1: your property and gives you like a little portfolio. I mean,
Speaker 1: they could just email it to you that has everything
Speaker 1: they could dig up about the history of your address.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be cool? I wonder if that's already out there.
Speaker 1: If not, somebody should start that business up and let
Speaker 1: me know about it, because, uh, I'll promote it. I
Speaker 1: think that would be amazing. All right. So now getting
Speaker 1: back to my own personal experiences. I mean, I could
Speaker 1: give you lots of stories about people who did not
Speaker 1: want me talking about their their haunted property. But the
Speaker 1: first one that comes to mind is there is a
Speaker 1: very well known haunted house in Asheville, North Carolina that's
Speaker 1: been published about, written about, and published about. And when
Speaker 1: I I first came into contact with it, it was
Speaker 1: the lady who owned it had a bed and breakfast there,
Speaker 1: and she was all about ghost and she would tell
Speaker 1: me all the ghost stories, and I mean she was
Speaker 1: promoting that. And then she sold the house and then
Speaker 1: the new people who got it, they also wanted to
Speaker 1: run it as a bed and breakfast. But the next
Speaker 1: time I went there to see them, they said, you
Speaker 1: are not allowed to talk about ghost here anymore, and
Speaker 1: pretty much, you know, ran me off the property. Man.
Speaker 1: I've been getting kicked out of a lot of places lately.
Speaker 1: Actually that was a long time ago. But I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm used to being run off because there are times where,
Speaker 1: like I say, you just don't know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: go one way or the other. And I've encountered so
Speaker 1: many times where people are like, Nope, you cannot talk
Speaker 1: about this, and I've even had guns pulled on me.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, one day, maybe I'll just do a
Speaker 1: podcast about times where people have gotten really ticked off
Speaker 1: at me because I've you know, asked a question or
Speaker 1: whatever that they didn't like. But so I don't know
Speaker 1: if at this house the new owners didn't want me
Speaker 1: talking about it because that they thought it would scare
Speaker 1: their clients, or if they had maybe like a religious,
Speaker 1: you know, problem with it, or if perhaps it was
Speaker 1: that they wanted to resell it and they were afraid
Speaker 1: that they'd heard it could influence things. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it shouldn't have mattered because the house was already
Speaker 1: widely published about as a haunted place. So I have,
Speaker 1: you know, I have encountered that kind of thing, and
Speaker 1: I think it really does vary a lot depending on
Speaker 1: where you are on planet Earth. I mean, cultures all
Speaker 1: over the countries of the world have, you know, very
Speaker 1: different views on this, and some of the countries that
Speaker 1: are you might think of as being more spiritual actually
Speaker 1: talk about spooky stuff less, which is ironic because they
Speaker 1: are you know, they they are fearful of it. You
Speaker 1: know what this reminds me, here's a weird fact to
Speaker 1: wait about Earth. I've been looking for an opportunity to
Speaker 1: bring this up for a while. You know how that
Speaker 1: like when probably when you were a kid in school
Speaker 1: at least, you came across a globe and the globe
Speaker 1: often was what they would call a raised relief globe,
Speaker 1: where it had texture like you could run your hand
Speaker 1: over it and you could feel the mountains and then
Speaker 1: maybe it would dip down into the valleys and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Turns out that is insanely exaggerated. I was
Speaker 1: watching an interview that the scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson was
Speaker 1: doing recently, and he wrote a book about the Earth apparently,
Speaker 1: and he said that if you were a giant and
Speaker 1: you reach down to stroke the Earth, the Earth is
Speaker 1: a smoother sphere than any cube ball ever made. It's like, what,
Speaker 1: because you know, you see these depictions of Earth having
Speaker 1: like a pear shape and it kind of wobbles and
Speaker 1: all that. He goes neda, he said, that is, And
Speaker 1: here's how he explained it. He said that, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you go to the top of Mount Everest, which is
Speaker 1: the highest peak on the crust here the lithosphere, I suppose,
Speaker 1: and then if you go to the Mariana Trench, which
Speaker 1: is the lowest point on the crust, the difference between
Speaker 1: those two points is only eleven miles. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not much. I think, he said, it's like the size
Speaker 1: of Manhattan or something like that. And yet the Earth
Speaker 1: is eight thousand miles in diameter. So the Earth is
Speaker 1: actually like an almost amazingly possibly smooth, perfect sphere. And
Speaker 1: you never hear people put things, you know, in that
Speaker 1: kind of perspective. But I thought that was pretty pretty wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, would you would you have guessed that that
Speaker 1: the Earth is, as he said, smoother, a smoother sphere
Speaker 1: than any cue ball ever made. That's just crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 1: And yet there's so much variation, you know, as I'm
Speaker 1: as I'm recording this show right now, I kid you not.
Speaker 1: You know, here I am again in Las Vegas right now.
Speaker 1: It is one hundred and twelve degrees fahrenheit outside.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: Supposedly tomorrow it's going to be one hundred and eighteen degrees. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, I wrote a book about Death Valley, ghosts, UFOs,
Speaker 1: and legends of Death Valley. Death Valley is the hottest
Speaker 1: place on Earth. Death Valley got up to one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty four degrees fahrenheit, which is fifty six point
Speaker 1: seven celsius, back in July of nineteen thirteen. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that tells us about, you know,
Speaker 1: global warming. But Lauren and I went there to Death
Speaker 1: Valley in July one time and it was one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventeen and yet tomorrow here in Las Vegas, which
Speaker 1: is only about a two hour drive from Death Valley,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be one hundred and eighteen. So I'm
Speaker 1: living in like Death Valley temperatures. But you know what's wild?
Speaker 1: I living here. I am cold more than I am hot,
Speaker 1: because everywhere you go, people just blast the air conditioning
Speaker 1: and they freeze you to death. It's hard to figure
Speaker 1: out how to dress here because you know, you put
Speaker 1: on your short sleeve shirt and your shorts to go
Speaker 1: out when you know you're in the blast furnace when
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and fifteen degrees, and then you go
Speaker 1: into some store or some movie theater or some casino
Speaker 1: and now you're freezing it. So I'm literally cold more
Speaker 1: than I am hot because of climate control and air
Speaker 1: conditioning living here. That's a weird thing because people say,
Speaker 1: josh how do you stand living in the desert where
Speaker 1: it's that hot. Well, I'm cold more than you probably are. Okay,
Speaker 1: when we come back, I got a tip that I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you about something simple you can eat
Speaker 1: before you go to bed that will supposedly give you
Speaker 1: the best sleep ever. Wait till you hear this tip.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to strange
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Speaker 4: Strange Things. Oh the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
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Speaker 1: I Am You're a post Joshua P. Warren and real
Speaker 1: quick when it comes to Las Vegas. You know, people
Speaker 1: have a lot of misconceptions about what it's like to
Speaker 1: live out here. People when they think of you living
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, they think that you live like in
Speaker 1: the Bellagio or something. You live on the strip. There's
Speaker 1: a whole, big, wide, vast world of mountains and believe
Speaker 1: it or not, streams and a lot of really interesting
Speaker 1: nature here. One thing that's kind of cool about living
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas is that because it is so dry
Speaker 1: and hot, it's a very sterile environment, so in many
Speaker 1: ways it's actually healthier. For example, you know, I used
Speaker 1: to live in Puerto Rico, which it was like living
Speaker 1: in a terrarium. Everything is teeming with life, the air,
Speaker 1: the soil, the walls. You know, there's there insects and
Speaker 1: and and molds and fung guy and it's like everything
Speaker 1: is just oozing and oscillating with life, and uh, and
Speaker 1: you get sick. You know a lot in that environment
Speaker 1: where everything thrives, but out here, I mean like you
Speaker 1: gotta be gotta be tough to survive. That's why this
Speaker 1: is kind of a you know, it's an oasis in
Speaker 1: the desert. But one thing that I'll tell you that's
Speaker 1: just interesting that I've again I'm looking for excuses to
Speaker 1: bring up things. I I was sort of stunned when
Speaker 1: I first came to Vegas to find, like, when you
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, they have gambling machines. You know,
Speaker 1: you go to the gas station, they have gambling machines.
Speaker 1: You get it. You go to a bar, chances are
Speaker 1: there's going to be some gambling machines. I mean it's
Speaker 1: hard to find a place just to go hang out
Speaker 1: without gambling machines. And that does become annoying, uh to
Speaker 1: a certain extent. I mean I'm not talking about the strip.
Speaker 1: I mean just like in the suburban parts of this town.
Speaker 1: But the most prominent thing is video poker. And so
Speaker 1: if you've never played video poker, here's all you really
Speaker 1: need to know about it. You know, there are a
Speaker 1: few basic hands that you quickly learn. You don't even
Speaker 1: have to memorize it, because in many cases they just
Speaker 1: show you, like, if you get three cards that look alike,
Speaker 1: it pays this much, or if you get, you know,
Speaker 1: two cards like this, it pays that much. But the
Speaker 1: story I want to tell you is that, Okay, when
Speaker 1: you sit down in front of a video poker machine,
Speaker 1: what happens is usually you put your money in there.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's twenty dollars, and then you place your bet,
Speaker 1: which could be I don't know, let's say a dollar
Speaker 1: or five dollars whatever, and then maybe like five cards
Speaker 1: will pop up boom boom, boom, boom boom. And so
Speaker 1: you look at those cards and you decide what cards
Speaker 1: you want to keep and what cards you want to discard,
Speaker 1: and you pick the ones you want to keep, and
Speaker 1: then you hit the discard button and then you get
Speaker 1: your second set of cards, and that determines your final hand,
Speaker 1: and that's what you get paid on. And recently somebody
Speaker 1: here in Vegas sent me a video of this guy
Speaker 1: who sat down in a video poker machine, and I
Speaker 1: think he put like one hundred dollars in it. And
Speaker 1: the thing you want is a royal flush. That's the
Speaker 1: best you're gonna get in poker, is a royal flush.
Speaker 1: And so I forget how much the guy was betting,
Speaker 1: but he hits the button and the first time he
Speaker 1: hits the button, boom, there it is a royal flush,
Speaker 1: and he of course starts freaking out because in this
Speaker 1: particular case, he's going to make forty four thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: all right, And so he goes, I want to capture
Speaker 1: this on video. So whoever he's with, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was his friend or his wife, he said,
Speaker 1: film this, you know. So the other person turns on
Speaker 1: the camera and films him, and he goes, are you ready?
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I'm about to win forty four thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, And then he hits the button and he
Speaker 1: forgot to save those cards, and then it was gone
Speaker 1: because you have to save the cards and then hit
Speaker 1: the button and then you get your forty four thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And some people say, you know, I watched that video
Speaker 1: and it just makes me sick. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I wanted to share that with you. Call it mental
Speaker 1: manna or something like that, you know. Vegas is just weird.
Speaker 1: So here's the next thing I wanted to tell you
Speaker 1: about I have. I don't really have a schedule, and
Speaker 1: that's not good. You know, they always tell you, the
Speaker 1: medical professional says, you need to have some kind of
Speaker 1: a schedule for your health, but I just don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm up at late at night working on projects or
Speaker 1: doing radio interviews or recording shows like this, and then
Speaker 1: I have to be up in the daytime doing things
Speaker 1: that normal human beings do, and you never know what
Speaker 1: my schedule is going to be. But I figured I'm
Speaker 1: not a good guinea pig for this, even though I
Speaker 1: did try it. But I figured I would ask all
Speaker 1: of you if this works. I was watching this YouTube
Speaker 1: video today, actually not today, but I was watching it
Speaker 1: the other day and I thought about it bringing it
Speaker 1: up today from this doctor and this guy he has
Speaker 1: millions and millions of viewers on YouTube, you know, subscribers,
Speaker 1: And he said, if you want to have the best
Speaker 1: sleep you've ever had in your entire life, he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a tip, and long story short,
Speaker 1: he said, take some bananas. And he said that he
Speaker 1: likes to cut him in half, take a whole banana,
Speaker 1: cut it in half, and put him in a ziplock
Speaker 1: bag and put them in his freezer. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's necessary, but that's what I'm just telling you what
Speaker 1: he said. I'm not a doctor. He says, he's a doctor.
Speaker 1: And then every night before you go to bed, you
Speaker 1: go to this ziplock bag and you take out at
Speaker 1: least a half a banana, if not a whole banana,
Speaker 1: thirty to forty five minutes before you're ready to sleep,
Speaker 1: and you put that banana on a plate, and you
Speaker 1: take out some cinnamon and you just basically pour a
Speaker 1: real healthy dose of cinnamon on top of that banana
Speaker 1: and eat it. And he goes, it's going to be
Speaker 1: the He says, for one thing, it's delicious, and it
Speaker 1: actually is really good. And he says, you're gonna just
Speaker 1: sleep better than you've ever slept in your entire life.
Speaker 1: And he goes through this whole like list of reasons
Speaker 1: for why that is and breaks down the chemicals and everything.
Speaker 1: So you know, I tried it and I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like I said, I can't tell if I
Speaker 1: slept better or not because I had to get up
Speaker 1: at some point anyway and do some stuff. So I
Speaker 1: want you to try it out if that sounds interesting
Speaker 1: to you, and then you can just, you know, email
Speaker 1: me and let me know or post it on my
Speaker 1: social media and let me know if that if that
Speaker 1: works for you, I'm just I'd be interested to know
Speaker 1: if that. You know, this is like a John Tesh
Speaker 1: tip or something like that, where I'm giving you a
Speaker 1: bedtime dessert that might help you get better sleep. Before
Speaker 1: we run out of time, let me at least try
Speaker 1: to read one email here. This comes to me from Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 1: And this person's name is T, like initial T, and
Speaker 1: then I have the last name, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to read it because you know, I'm very particular about
Speaker 1: not giving people's name out. So here's here's what T
Speaker 1: wrote me. And now you might be thinking, could this
Speaker 1: be mister T, because believe it or not, I have
Speaker 1: met mister T. Another story for another day, but I
Speaker 1: don't think this is mister T. Tea listened to my
Speaker 1: podcast that I did, which was episode just recently called
Speaker 1: The Emerald Tablet and the Copper Scroll, and T wrote, Joshua,
Speaker 1: that was an amazing episode. Can we say resonate why yes,
Speaker 1: yes we can. I swear I almost cried at the
Speaker 1: end with what you had to say to sum it
Speaker 1: all up. That did in fact go deep as you
Speaker 1: were saying. And regardless of the origins of the emerald
Speaker 1: tablet and or copper scroll, the original message given followed
Speaker 1: by the modernized version was just beautiful. What an ah
Speaker 1: ha moment. The alchemy of lead to gold being in
Speaker 1: the metaphorical versus literal sense just incredible. That one is
Speaker 1: probably going to get a re Listen. I loved it
Speaker 1: that much, my very favorite so far. And then Tea
Speaker 1: goes on talking about some other cool stuff regarding like
Speaker 1: the electrom ring, which I'll get to later but anyway,
Speaker 1: then t says thank you, and as you would say,
Speaker 1: thank you for staying curious. Well, Tea, thank you. I
Speaker 1: love Bolder. As a matter of fact, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be possibly back in your future doing some stuff. But
Speaker 1: isn't that great. I just love reading super positive feedback
Speaker 1: like that. So that kind of stuff just makes my day,
Speaker 1: and that way I know I'm not just sitting here
Speaker 1: talking to myself. All right, my friends, clock has got us.
Speaker 1: You know what time it is. Take a deep breath
Speaker 1: if you can close your eyes. Let's make your next
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