1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: Joshua P. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Warn The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host are 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: thoughts and opinions only and do not necessarily reflect those 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: the proper amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter. 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: And your needs. 10 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: Yet ready to be amazed Find a wizard of Weird 11 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: Strange Things with Joshua Warren. 12 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: I am Joshua B. 13 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 4: Warren, and each week on this show, I'll be bringing 14 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 4: you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, and. 15 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot 16 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: more on this edition of the show. Stigmatized Properties The facts. 17 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: That's right, just the facts, ma'am. Do you know what 18 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: a stigmatized property is? That is an official term for 19 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: a location with a bad reputation And I'm going to 20 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: dig into that more deeply soon, But right off the bat, 21 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: when I think about this, given my background, it reminds 22 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: me of you know, growing up becoming a ghost hunter, 23 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: and at some point hearing about this house in New 24 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: York that is considered the only legally haunted house in America. 25 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: And I know you're thinking, what what do you mean 26 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: legally haunted? It's interesting, isn't it. Well, let me explain here. 27 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: There is an article I recently found about this topic 28 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: at realtor dot com. I'll just give you the first 29 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: paragraph or so. It says, uh, where's the beginning? Okay, 30 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: there we go. It says. Cynthia Aclee. Kavanaugh recalls sitting 31 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: on her bed in her new home when the cord 32 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: to the light above began swinging in a way that 33 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: she had never seen before. It wasn't sloping in an 34 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: arc as it should. Instead, it was as if some 35 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: invisible force were playing ping pong with the pool switch. 36 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: The year was nineteen sixty seven. Her father had gotten 37 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: a job in New York City, and the family had 38 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: recently traded their Maryland farm for a derelict Victorian just 39 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: north of New York City. Her parents, Helen and George Aclee, 40 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: were determined to restore the rundown forty two hundred square 41 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: foot house on the Hudson River, where they planned to 42 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: raise their four children. Built in eighteen ninety, the house 43 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: had sat to vacant for seven years before the Acles 44 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: bought it, and during that time, neighborhood children would say 45 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: they saw faces in the windows. Over their two decades 46 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: in the home, the Acles would have many inexplicable experiences. 47 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: They heard mysterious footsteps and voices, doors and windows would 48 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: fly open on several occasions. They claimed they even received 49 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: it's from peaceful spirits wearing clothes from centuries past. The 50 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: paranormal was just part and parcel of their new home. 51 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: There's a picture of this house in this article, and 52 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: it sure looks haunted. This article, by the way, is 53 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: by Claire Trepasso, and it goes on to say the 54 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: Old Victorian would eventually achieve infamy. In the early nineteen nineties, 55 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: after the Aclies put it on the market, when the 56 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: buyers learned of the home's supernatural history, they tried to 57 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: back out of the deal to recover their deposit. They sued, 58 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: and the court for the first time established that a 59 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: property was haunted in a published opinion. That opinion, colloquially 60 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: referred to as the Ghostbuster's ruling, established the Aclye residence 61 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: as the owner known legally haunted house in America. And then, 62 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: of course this article goes on to talk at great 63 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: length about the things that were happening in the house. 64 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: But let's get to the point of this podcast. What 65 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: do you mean they a court determined this was a 66 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: legally haunted house. Well, here is how all that panned out, 67 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: because this goes back to this idea of a stigmatized property. Okay, 68 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: So in that case, which was called Stambovski versus Aclie, 69 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: the New York Supreme Court Appellate Division affirmed a narrow 70 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: interpretation of the idea of stigmatized property. The court held 71 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: that since the property in question was previously marketed by 72 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: the seller as a quote haunted house, he was a 73 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: stopped And that's a legal term, a stopped, which I'm 74 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: not a lawyer, but I believe that means you can't 75 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: renig on something that you've said before. He was a 76 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: stopped from claiming the contrary. The majority opinion specifically noted 77 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: that the veracity of the claims of paranormal activities were 78 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: outside the purview of the opinion. Okay, So basically, here's 79 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: what I believe that means in plain language that at 80 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: some point in the past the people who own the 81 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: house had claimed in some notable way that the house 82 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: was haunted. And so the court found that if you 83 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: claim that your house is haunted, then from a legal 84 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: standpoint in the real estate market, that makes it haunted, 85 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: and in some cases that has to be disclosed. So 86 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: it's not about the reality of the phenomenon, it's about 87 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: the opinion that the owner has of the property that 88 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: the owner is trying to sell. That's really odd and 89 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: interesting on a number of levels, isn't it. It almost 90 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: borders on the Tulpa thing, like can you make your 91 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: property haunted by just saying it's haunted? But okay, but 92 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: let me look at myself here. Okay, so you know, 93 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: I have this house that I bought a little over 94 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: a year ago here in Las Vegas. Now, I do 95 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: not believe this house is haunted. As a matter of fact, 96 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I would not live in a haunted house because I 97 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: don't like surprises. If I go to a haunted house, 98 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: that's work for me. Okay. Here, I also feel like, 99 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you're in a haunted place, it's almost 100 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: like an invasion of privacy or there's something looming over you. 101 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: So I do not live in a haunted house. I have, however, 102 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: had ghostly things happen in this house if I bring 103 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: in certain objects and stuff, and you know, I've mentioned 104 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: that before, like, for example, the the FDR wheelchair. But regardless, 105 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: So does that mean, however, you know I've gotten on 106 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: the radio and I've said, like, there has been ghostly 107 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: activity in my house. Does that mean that if I 108 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: ever wanted to sell this house, that I would have 109 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: to make a point to bring up to the buyer 110 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: that ghostly things have happened here, Because in some cases 111 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: that would be completely weird and out of the blue 112 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: and inappropriate. Probably in most cases. Actually, Now, of course, 113 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a crazy guy. So when I was, 114 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, with my realtor and we were looking at 115 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: this house, I said, so, just tell me, you know, 116 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: straight up, has there ever been a dead body in 117 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: the attic or anything like? Has anybody has anything crazy 118 00:08:59,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: happened here? 119 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 3: No? 120 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: Nothing has. That's one of the things about living in 121 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. A lot of the real estate around here 122 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: is quite New Vegas as we know, it didn't even 123 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: start really appearing until the nineteen forties. You know, but 124 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: nonetheless would I have to do that? Well, in a second, 125 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to get into the laws, and I'm going 126 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: to tell you what the facts are to some extent 127 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: on a state by state basis for whether or not 128 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: you have to disclose that kind of information. And it 129 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: turns out here where I am no, I would not 130 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: have to say that. In some places you would have 131 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: to bring that up. And you might want to bring 132 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: it up anyway, just to be on the safe side. 133 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. But this all goes back to the 134 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: idea of a stigmatized property, and so here is what 135 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: that means. In real estate. Stigmatized is a property that 136 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: buyers or tenants may shun for reasons that are unrelated 137 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: to its physical condition or features. These can include the 138 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: death of an occupant, murder, suicide, or yes, even the 139 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: belief that a house is haunted. Isn't this an interesting 140 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: thing to start exploring again, We're talking about things that 141 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: are unrelated to the physical condition, and yet it makes 142 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: it a difference in terms of how desirable a place is. Hmm. 143 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: I wonder why that phenomenon exists if there's nothing to 144 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: the idea of a spiritual realm. Or things that get 145 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: imprinted right says. Controversy exists regarding the definitions of stigma 146 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: and what sorts of stigma must be disclosed atsel it 147 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: is argued that the seller has a duty to disclose 148 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: any such history of the property. This, in practice falls 149 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: into two categories demonstrable, which is physical and emotional. Local 150 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: jurisdictions vary widely on their interpretation of these issues, and 151 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: it occasionally contradicts federal law. When we come back from 152 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: this brig, I'm going to break this down and go 153 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: into like, okay, what are the types of stigma and 154 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: then what what states are there. There's just a handful 155 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: of states that say absolutely, you've got to disclose this. 156 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: We'll dig into that when we come back. You know, 157 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: this is the part of the show when I usually 158 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: just say, please go to my website Joshua P. Warren 159 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: dot com and sign up for my free E newsletter 160 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: there and you know, get some cool instant freebies from me, 161 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: some online stuff. 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I am your host, 187 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. 188 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: Warren, beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in 189 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden 190 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: and every night is silver. IDSI a tato zume and 191 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking right now about stigmatized properties. And there is 192 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: a list of different types of stigma. Many jurisdictions recognize 193 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: several forms of stigmatized property and it passed resolutions or 194 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: statutes to deal with them. And one issue that separates 195 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: them is disclosure. Depending on the jurisdiction of the house, 196 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: the seller may not be required to disclose the full facts. 197 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: Some specific types must always be disclosed, others are up 198 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: to the jurisdiction, and others, in some cases up to 199 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: the realtor. And again I'm gonna get into a little 200 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: bit more of a state by state breakdown here in 201 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: a minute. But here are types of stigma. Okay, First, 202 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: we have criminal stigma, meaning the property was used in 203 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: the ongoing commission of a crime. So, for example, a 204 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: house is stigmatized if it has been used as a 205 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: bravl a chop shop, or a drug den. Next, we 206 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: have a debt stigma. Debt collectors unaware that a debtor 207 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: has moved out of a particular residence may continue their 208 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: pursuit at the same location, resulting in harassment of innocent 209 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: subsequent occupiers. So that can be especially bad if like 210 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: some collection agency has very aggressive or even illegal tactics 211 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: and they don't realize, like, you got the wrong guy. 212 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: You know that that dude is gone. Next, there is 213 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: a category called minimal stigma. It says it's known to 214 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: or taken seriously by only a small select group, and 215 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: such a stigma is unlikely to affect the ability to 216 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: sell the property. That's weird because they don't even give 217 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: an example of that, And so I guess minimal stigma 218 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: would be almost like maybe, you know, maybe they're just 219 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: some neighbors who didn't like the person in the house 220 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: and they therefore have a dislike of that general piece 221 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: of property. I don't know. Next, this is where it 222 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: gets more obvious, the murder suicide stigma. Some jurisdictions in 223 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: the United States require property sellers to reveal if a 224 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: murder or suicide occurred on the premises. California state law 225 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: does if the event occurred within the previous three years. 226 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: That's interesting, isn't it. So only if it's within three 227 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: years do you have to have to bring that up 228 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: To protect sellers from lawsuits, Florida state law does not 229 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: require any notification, and North Carolina sellers and agents do 230 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: not have to volunteer information about the death of previous occupants. 231 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: But a direct question must be answered truthfully. So, I 232 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: guess if you're selling the place, you don't have to 233 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: bring it up. But if somebody asks you, you know, 234 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: and you know the answer, you need to tell them. 235 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: And then there is what they call the phenomena stigma. Many, 236 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: but not all, jurisdictions require disclosure if a house is 237 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: renowned for haunting, ghost sidings, et cetera. This is in 238 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: a separate category from public stigma, wherein the knowledge of 239 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: haunting is restricted to a local market. Perceived paranormal activity 240 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: is an indicator of a possible air quality hazard, such 241 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: as carbon monoxide or toxic mold. That's interesting, huh, So 242 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: they're making this case here that well, if you say 243 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: it's haunted because weird you see weird things, it might 244 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: not just be your imagination. Maybe there's something in the 245 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: house that's toxic that's making you hallucinate. This actually gets 246 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: pretty complicated, doesn't it, when you start really looking at 247 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: all those kinds of variables. Next, we have the public 248 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: stigma category, when the stigma is known to a wide 249 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: selection of the population and any reasonable person can be 250 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: expected to know of it. Examples include the Amityville Horror 251 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: House and the home of the Menims Brothers. Public stigma 252 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: must always be disclosed in almost all American and European jurisdictions. 253 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: This really does boil down to the legal system and 254 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: perhaps the opinion of a jury, doesn't it. And by 255 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: the way, let me pause to say that I won't 256 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: use his name here without his explicit permission, but I 257 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: know a man who lives here in the US who 258 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: is a paranormal investigator who specifically seeks out stigmatized properties 259 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: that need, you know, renovation work and that kind of 260 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: thing done because he is he's, for one thing, he's 261 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: not only unafraid to be in that environment, but he 262 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: wants to go to that environment because he's a great 263 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: craftsman and he can do all of these you know, 264 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: he could he literally have his own home improvement show. 265 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: But at the same time he is investigating the paranormal. 266 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: There are people who, you know, are I guess ironically 267 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: more apt to buy a piece of property or to 268 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: be involved somehow with the piece of property that is stigmatized. 269 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: So uh, let's see this Encyclopedia article I'm reading here. 270 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: It goes on and on saying, at least in the 271 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: United States, the principle of caveat emptor I mean meaning 272 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: let the buyer beware was held for many years to 273 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: govern sales. As the idea of an implied warranty of 274 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: habitability began to find blah blah. Okay, So but then 275 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, it gets into this this kind of changing 276 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: because of that haunted house in New York case I 277 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: was telling you about. And then they also in this 278 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: article dig a little more deeply into stuff like you know, 279 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: the Amityville horror House, and you know, just about any 280 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: house were something reached a national threst threshold of fame, 281 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: however you determine that. So, okay, what does this mean 282 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: for you? Now? Look, I'm not going to go over 283 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: every state. There are fifty states in the United States 284 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: for those of you who are listening outside of our country. 285 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: But Zillo, the real estate website, they put out this 286 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: story in twenty nineteen, and it says selling a haunted house, 287 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: here's what you need to know, And the subtitle here 288 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: is Zillo analysis finds that most states don't require home 289 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: sellers to disclose paranormal activity to buyers. And basically, here's 290 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: the gist of this thing. They do talk about how 291 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: that in some cases, like they say, like in Alaska, 292 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: a death within one year must be disclosed. 293 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: Uh. 294 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: And and like in South Dakota, sellers must disclose a 295 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: homicide on the property. I don't know how that these 296 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: very specific nuanced laws get get brought up and passed 297 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: in these particular states, But there are a lot of 298 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: states that have some kind of little nuance like that, Like, 299 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: for example, Alabama says, like a court ruled a seller 300 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: must disclose any important defect or condition that affects the 301 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: health or safety and is unknown to the buyer. So 302 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of up to interpretation, right like uh. And 303 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: then in Arizona, because you know, obviously I'm starting with 304 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: the a's here, it's it's a court ruled that a 305 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: seller must disclose important facts that might negatively affect the 306 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: value of the property. I guess that's kind of up 307 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: to interpretation, because some people specifically buy places because they're haunted. 308 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of these like weird things, 309 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: Like in Colorado, it says facts that could cause psychological 310 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: impact or stigma, such as death, are not required to 311 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: be disclosed. Paranormal activity likely not required to be disclosed. 312 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: So when you go through this whole list of states 313 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: and you see all of these little nuanced things, there 314 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: are only let me see one, I think there are 315 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: three states. 316 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 6: One. 317 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: Okay, I think there's only three states where there is 318 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: a direct mention in the state law that says that 319 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: you have got to disclose paranormal activity. Now, just take 320 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: a moment and think what states do you think those are? 321 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: Because they're all in the same area of the country. 322 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: This is actually a really interesting kind of trivia question. 323 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: What part of the United States of America do you 324 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: think has this little cluster of states in which somebody 325 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: took the time to write into the law that you 326 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: have got to specifically disclose paranormal activity. And you know, 327 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: I can imagine that there are people out there who 328 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: would think, like, well, maybe it's somewhere in the South, 329 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: you know, where they're more superstitious, like Louisiana or something 330 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: like that. Or or you might think, well, maybe it's 331 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: up in the north where you had like the witch 332 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: trials stuff like that, or or maybe it's out west 333 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: where you had all, you know, the the spooky things 334 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: happening to the pioneers. It looks like it's break time. 335 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: So when we come back, I'm going to tell you 336 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: what these states are where it is legally mandated in 337 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: their actual law to disclose this. Then I'm going to 338 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: tell you about like at least one brush that I've 339 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: had with this kind of situation where I went to 340 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: a house where the people there just didn't want me 341 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: to talk about ghosts, and maybe it's because they were 342 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: going to sell it and they didn't want to get 343 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: involved in this. And then I have so much other 344 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: weird stuff. I'm glad that I've got some time left 345 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: to dig into it. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening 346 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: to strange things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 347 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast network, and I will be back after 348 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: these important messages. Don't go anywhere. There's more strange things 349 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: coming right up. 350 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 6: Hey, it's not your sky, and you're listening to the 351 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 6: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Aronormal Podcast Network. 352 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 5: And we're back with Strange Things and Joshua P. 353 00:26:28,520 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 4: Warren. Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and 354 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 4: Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 355 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And this is 356 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: the show where the unusual becomes usual. What do you 357 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: think the four states are that specifically mention paranormal activity 358 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: in their laws. You know, during the break, I was 359 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: looking over all these states and all the nuances, and like, 360 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: I think here's the best way to sum it up. Okay, 361 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: So nine states have laws around the disclosure of death 362 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: on the property. According to California law, sellers must disclose 363 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: any deaths that have happened on the property within three years, 364 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: as I said. In Alaska, a death within one year 365 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: must be disclosed, And in South Dakota, sellers must disclose 366 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: a homicide on the property. Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, New Hampshire, 367 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: New Jersey, and South Carolina sellers must disclose a death 368 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: on the property only if asked. But there are four 369 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: states that specifically mentioned paranormal activity in their real estate 370 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: disclosure laws. Those states are New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, 371 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: and Minnesota. Now I'm gonna get deeper into that in 372 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: a second, but right off the bat, I mean New York, 373 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: New Jersey, and Massachusetts. That little cluster right there, I mean, 374 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: you think of Massachusetts, you think of Salem, or at 375 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: least I do, where the Salem which trials occurred, and 376 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: all the superstition around there. And I don't know if 377 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: that has anything to do with this or not, but 378 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that that little area is 379 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: where you know they have paranormal activity. Mentioned Minnesota. I mean, 380 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. All I can tell you is it's 381 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: another northern state. But the funny thing is, even though 382 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: those states have paranormal activity, that doesn't mean written into 383 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: the law, that doesn't mean that you have to talk 384 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: about the paranormal activity. So, for example, the laws in 385 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: Minnesota and Massachusetts state that it is unnecessary to disclose 386 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: if the house is haunted by paranormal activity or the supernatural, 387 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: So they specifically point out paranormal stuff and say you 388 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: don't have to talk about it. In New Jersey, a 389 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: seller must truthfully tell a buyer if their property comes 390 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: with departed roommates, so to speak, but only if asked. 391 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: So again, it's one of those things, only if asked. 392 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: And then because of that case in New York from 393 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, in New York State declared that sellers 394 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: must disclose to buyers that they think a house is 395 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: haunted only if they have already shared this opinion quote 396 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: to the public at large. But as long as they 397 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: keep their supernatural encounters to themselves, they are under no 398 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: obligation to speak up. And for more information on that, 399 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: you can go to this website KRBHK dot com KRBHK 400 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Most states, however, according to this real estate site, says, 401 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: most states follow the contract doctrine of the buyer beware. Okay, 402 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: so that's that's why. Really, you know, you can just 403 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: check on it and just ask the questions or type 404 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the address in do an internet search. I think it 405 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: would be interesting for some somebody who's a real like 406 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: library geek out there to open a service that where 407 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: you pay, you know, a couple hundred bucks or whatever, 408 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: and the person just goes and researches the history of 409 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: your property and gives you like a little portfolio. I mean, 410 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: they could just email it to you that has everything 411 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: they could dig up about the history of your address. 412 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be cool? I wonder if that's already out there. 413 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: If not, somebody should start that business up and let 414 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: me know about it, because, uh, I'll promote it. I 415 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: think that would be amazing. All right. So now getting 416 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: back to my own personal experiences. I mean, I could 417 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: give you lots of stories about people who did not 418 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: want me talking about their their haunted property. But the 419 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: first one that comes to mind is there is a 420 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: very well known haunted house in Asheville, North Carolina that's 421 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: been published about, written about, and published about. And when 422 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: I I first came into contact with it, it was 423 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: the lady who owned it had a bed and breakfast there, 424 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: and she was all about ghost and she would tell 425 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: me all the ghost stories, and I mean she was 426 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: promoting that. And then she sold the house and then 427 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: the new people who got it, they also wanted to 428 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: run it as a bed and breakfast. But the next 429 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: time I went there to see them, they said, you 430 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: are not allowed to talk about ghost here anymore, and 431 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: pretty much, you know, ran me off the property. Man. 432 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: I've been getting kicked out of a lot of places lately. 433 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: Actually that was a long time ago. But I you know, 434 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm used to being run off because there are times where, 435 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: like I say, you just don't know, it's kind of 436 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: go one way or the other. And I've encountered so 437 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: many times where people are like, Nope, you cannot talk 438 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: about this, and I've even had guns pulled on me. 439 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean, like, one day, maybe I'll just do a 440 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: podcast about times where people have gotten really ticked off 441 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: at me because I've you know, asked a question or 442 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: whatever that they didn't like. But so I don't know 443 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: if at this house the new owners didn't want me 444 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 1: talking about it because that they thought it would scare 445 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: their clients, or if they had maybe like a religious, 446 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, problem with it, or if perhaps it was 447 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: that they wanted to resell it and they were afraid 448 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: that they'd heard it could influence things. But I don't 449 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: think it shouldn't have mattered because the house was already 450 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: widely published about as a haunted place. So I have, 451 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, I have encountered that kind of thing, and 452 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: I think it really does vary a lot depending on 453 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: where you are on planet Earth. I mean, cultures all 454 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: over the countries of the world have, you know, very 455 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: different views on this, and some of the countries that 456 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: are you might think of as being more spiritual actually 457 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: talk about spooky stuff less, which is ironic because they 458 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: are you know, they they are fearful of it. You 459 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: know what this reminds me, here's a weird fact to 460 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: wait about Earth. I've been looking for an opportunity to 461 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: bring this up for a while. You know how that 462 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: like when probably when you were a kid in school 463 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: at least, you came across a globe and the globe 464 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: often was what they would call a raised relief globe, 465 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: where it had texture like you could run your hand 466 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: over it and you could feel the mountains and then 467 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: maybe it would dip down into the valleys and stuff 468 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: like that. Turns out that is insanely exaggerated. I was 469 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: watching an interview that the scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson was 470 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: doing recently, and he wrote a book about the Earth apparently, 471 00:34:53,680 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: and he said that if you were a giant and 472 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: you reach down to stroke the Earth, the Earth is 473 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: a smoother sphere than any cube ball ever made. It's like, what, 474 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: because you know, you see these depictions of Earth having 475 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: like a pear shape and it kind of wobbles and 476 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: all that. He goes neda, he said, that is, And 477 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: here's how he explained it. He said that, Okay, if 478 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: you go to the top of Mount Everest, which is 479 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: the highest peak on the crust here the lithosphere, I suppose, 480 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: and then if you go to the Mariana Trench, which 481 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: is the lowest point on the crust, the difference between 482 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: those two points is only eleven miles. I mean, that's 483 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: not much. I think, he said, it's like the size 484 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: of Manhattan or something like that. And yet the Earth 485 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: is eight thousand miles in diameter. So the Earth is 486 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: actually like an almost amazingly possibly smooth, perfect sphere. And 487 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: you never hear people put things, you know, in that 488 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: kind of perspective. But I thought that was pretty pretty wild. 489 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean, would you would you have guessed that that 490 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the Earth is, as he said, smoother, a smoother sphere 491 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: than any cue ball ever made. That's just crazy, isn't it. 492 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: And yet there's so much variation, you know, as I'm 493 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: as I'm recording this show right now, I kid you not. 494 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: You know, here I am again in Las Vegas right now. 495 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: It is one hundred and twelve degrees fahrenheit outside. 496 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 3: And. 497 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: Supposedly tomorrow it's going to be one hundred and eighteen degrees. Now, 498 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, I wrote a book about Death Valley, ghosts, UFOs, 499 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: and legends of Death Valley. Death Valley is the hottest 500 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: place on Earth. Death Valley got up to one hundred 501 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: and thirty four degrees fahrenheit, which is fifty six point 502 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: seven celsius, back in July of nineteen thirteen. Uh So, 503 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what that tells us about, you know, 504 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: global warming. But Lauren and I went there to Death 505 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: Valley in July one time and it was one hundred 506 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: and seventeen and yet tomorrow here in Las Vegas, which 507 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: is only about a two hour drive from Death Valley, 508 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be one hundred and eighteen. So I'm 509 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: living in like Death Valley temperatures. But you know what's wild? 510 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: I living here. I am cold more than I am hot, 511 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: because everywhere you go, people just blast the air conditioning 512 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 1: and they freeze you to death. It's hard to figure 513 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: out how to dress here because you know, you put 514 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: on your short sleeve shirt and your shorts to go 515 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: out when you know you're in the blast furnace when 516 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: it's one hundred and fifteen degrees, and then you go 517 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: into some store or some movie theater or some casino 518 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: and now you're freezing it. So I'm literally cold more 519 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: than I am hot because of climate control and air 520 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: conditioning living here. That's a weird thing because people say, 521 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: josh how do you stand living in the desert where 522 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: it's that hot. Well, I'm cold more than you probably are. Okay, 523 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: when we come back, I got a tip that I'm 524 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 1: going to give you about something simple you can eat 525 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: before you go to bed that will supposedly give you 526 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: the best sleep ever. Wait till you hear this tip. 527 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: All right, I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to strange 528 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast i AM 529 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:53,479 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Don't 530 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: go anywhere. There's more strange things coming right up. 531 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 5: Hi, this is Wuija board expert Karen A. Dolman, and 532 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 5: you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 533 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 5: Paranormal Podcast Network. 534 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: Hi, this is George Norian. You're listening to the new 535 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Now 536 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua P. Ward. 537 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of 538 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 4: Strange Things. Oh the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 539 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 4: Paranormal Podcast Network. 540 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: I Am You're a post Joshua P. Warren and real 541 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: quick when it comes to Las Vegas. You know, people 542 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: have a lot of misconceptions about what it's like to 543 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: live out here. People when they think of you living 544 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, they think that you live like in 545 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: the Bellagio or something. You live on the strip. There's 546 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: a whole, big, wide, vast world of mountains and believe 547 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: it or not, streams and a lot of really interesting 548 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: nature here. One thing that's kind of cool about living 549 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas is that because it is so dry 550 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: and hot, it's a very sterile environment, so in many 551 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: ways it's actually healthier. For example, you know, I used 552 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: to live in Puerto Rico, which it was like living 553 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: in a terrarium. Everything is teeming with life, the air, 554 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: the soil, the walls. You know, there's there insects and 555 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: and and molds and fung guy and it's like everything 556 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: is just oozing and oscillating with life, and uh, and 557 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: you get sick. You know a lot in that environment 558 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: where everything thrives, but out here, I mean like you 559 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: gotta be gotta be tough to survive. That's why this 560 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: is kind of a you know, it's an oasis in 561 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: the desert. But one thing that I'll tell you that's 562 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: just interesting that I've again I'm looking for excuses to 563 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: bring up things. I I was sort of stunned when 564 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: I first came to Vegas to find, like, when you 565 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, they have gambling machines. You know, 566 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: you go to the gas station, they have gambling machines. 567 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: You get it. You go to a bar, chances are 568 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: there's going to be some gambling machines. I mean it's 569 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: hard to find a place just to go hang out 570 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: without gambling machines. And that does become annoying, uh to 571 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 1: a certain extent. I mean I'm not talking about the strip. 572 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean just like in the suburban parts of this town. 573 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: But the most prominent thing is video poker. And so 574 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: if you've never played video poker, here's all you really 575 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: need to know about it. You know, there are a 576 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: few basic hands that you quickly learn. You don't even 577 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: have to memorize it, because in many cases they just 578 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 1: show you, like, if you get three cards that look alike, 579 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: it pays this much, or if you get, you know, 580 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: two cards like this, it pays that much. But the 581 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: story I want to tell you is that, Okay, when 582 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: you sit down in front of a video poker machine, 583 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: what happens is usually you put your money in there. 584 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: Let's say it's twenty dollars, and then you place your bet, 585 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: which could be I don't know, let's say a dollar 586 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: or five dollars whatever, and then maybe like five cards 587 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: will pop up boom boom, boom, boom boom. And so 588 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: you look at those cards and you decide what cards 589 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: you want to keep and what cards you want to discard, 590 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: and you pick the ones you want to keep, and 591 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: then you hit the discard button and then you get 592 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: your second set of cards, and that determines your final hand, 593 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: and that's what you get paid on. And recently somebody 594 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: here in Vegas sent me a video of this guy 595 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: who sat down in a video poker machine, and I 596 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: think he put like one hundred dollars in it. And 597 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: the thing you want is a royal flush. That's the 598 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: best you're gonna get in poker, is a royal flush. 599 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: And so I forget how much the guy was betting, 600 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: but he hits the button and the first time he 601 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: hits the button, boom, there it is a royal flush, 602 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: and he of course starts freaking out because in this 603 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: particular case, he's going to make forty four thousand dollars, 604 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: all right, And so he goes, I want to capture 605 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: this on video. So whoever he's with, I don't know 606 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: if it was his friend or his wife, he said, 607 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: film this, you know. So the other person turns on 608 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: the camera and films him, and he goes, are you ready? 609 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: Are you ready? I'm about to win forty four thousand dollars, 610 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, And then he hits the button and he 611 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: forgot to save those cards, and then it was gone 612 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: because you have to save the cards and then hit 613 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: the button and then you get your forty four thousand dollars. 614 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: And some people say, you know, I watched that video 615 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: and it just makes me sick. I don't know why 616 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to share that with you. Call it mental 617 00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 1: manna or something like that, you know. Vegas is just weird. 618 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: So here's the next thing I wanted to tell you 619 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: about I have. I don't really have a schedule, and 620 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: that's not good. You know, they always tell you, the 621 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: medical professional says, you need to have some kind of 622 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: a schedule for your health, but I just don't. I mean, 623 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm up at late at night working on projects or 624 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: doing radio interviews or recording shows like this, and then 625 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: I have to be up in the daytime doing things 626 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: that normal human beings do, and you never know what 627 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,439 Speaker 1: my schedule is going to be. But I figured I'm 628 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: not a good guinea pig for this, even though I 629 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: did try it. But I figured I would ask all 630 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: of you if this works. I was watching this YouTube 631 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: video today, actually not today, but I was watching it 632 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: the other day and I thought about it bringing it 633 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: up today from this doctor and this guy he has 634 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: millions and millions of viewers on YouTube, you know, subscribers, 635 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: And he said, if you want to have the best 636 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: sleep you've ever had in your entire life, he goes, 637 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a tip, and long story short, 638 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: he said, take some bananas. And he said that he 639 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: likes to cut him in half, take a whole banana, 640 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: cut it in half, and put him in a ziplock 641 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: bag and put them in his freezer. I don't think 642 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: that's necessary, but that's what I'm just telling you what 643 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: he said. I'm not a doctor. He says, he's a doctor. 644 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: And then every night before you go to bed, you 645 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: go to this ziplock bag and you take out at 646 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: least a half a banana, if not a whole banana, 647 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: thirty to forty five minutes before you're ready to sleep, 648 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: and you put that banana on a plate, and you 649 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: take out some cinnamon and you just basically pour a 650 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 1: real healthy dose of cinnamon on top of that banana 651 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: and eat it. And he goes, it's going to be 652 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: the He says, for one thing, it's delicious, and it 653 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: actually is really good. And he says, you're gonna just 654 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: sleep better than you've ever slept in your entire life. 655 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: And he goes through this whole like list of reasons 656 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: for why that is and breaks down the chemicals and everything. 657 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: So you know, I tried it and I enjoyed it, 658 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: but I'm like I said, I can't tell if I 659 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: slept better or not because I had to get up 660 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: at some point anyway and do some stuff. So I 661 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: want you to try it out if that sounds interesting 662 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 1: to you, and then you can just, you know, email 663 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: me and let me know or post it on my 664 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: social media and let me know if that if that 665 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: works for you, I'm just I'd be interested to know 666 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: if that. You know, this is like a John Tesh 667 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: tip or something like that, where I'm giving you a 668 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:54,240 Speaker 1: bedtime dessert that might help you get better sleep. Before 669 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: we run out of time, let me at least try 670 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 1: to read one email here. This comes to me from Boulder, Colorado. 671 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: And this person's name is T, like initial T, and 672 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: then I have the last name, but I don't want 673 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: to read it because you know, I'm very particular about 674 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: not giving people's name out. So here's here's what T 675 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: wrote me. And now you might be thinking, could this 676 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: be mister T, because believe it or not, I have 677 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: met mister T. Another story for another day, but I 678 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: don't think this is mister T. Tea listened to my 679 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:42,839 Speaker 1: podcast that I did, which was episode just recently called 680 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: The Emerald Tablet and the Copper Scroll, and T wrote, Joshua, 681 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: that was an amazing episode. Can we say resonate why yes, 682 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: yes we can. I swear I almost cried at the 683 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: end with what you had to say to sum it 684 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: all up. That did in fact go deep as you 685 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: were saying. And regardless of the origins of the emerald 686 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: tablet and or copper scroll, the original message given followed 687 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: by the modernized version was just beautiful. What an ah 688 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: ha moment. The alchemy of lead to gold being in 689 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: the metaphorical versus literal sense just incredible. That one is 690 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: probably going to get a re Listen. I loved it 691 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: that much, my very favorite so far. And then Tea 692 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: goes on talking about some other cool stuff regarding like 693 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: the electrom ring, which I'll get to later but anyway, 694 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: then t says thank you, and as you would say, 695 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: thank you for staying curious. Well, Tea, thank you. I 696 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: love Bolder. As a matter of fact, I'm going to 697 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 1: be possibly back in your future doing some stuff. But 698 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: isn't that great. I just love reading super positive feedback 699 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 1: like that. So that kind of stuff just makes my day, 700 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: and that way I know I'm not just sitting here 701 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: talking to myself. All right, my friends, clock has got us. 702 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: You know what time it is. Take a deep breath 703 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: if you can close your eyes. Let's make your next 704 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:52,240 Speaker 1: week the best week ever. Here is the good Fortune tone. 705 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of the show. Follow me 706 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Joshua P. Warren. 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