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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationships and what it's like to be siblings.

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Speaker 3: We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling. You don't

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Speaker 3: do that with your mouth s revely. That's good, husk.

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 3: I love you tomorrow tomorrow to I was singing that

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Speaker 3: to Rannie this morning, and it was weird because like

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Speaker 3: it was like the first time I heard her actually

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Speaker 3: listening to the lyrics of the song because I was

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Speaker 3: doing it really a soft like, uh, you know when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the.

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Speaker 5: Day that's great and lonely. I just pick up my

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Speaker 5: chir and.

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Speaker 3: Grin and say and she was like.

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Speaker 5: The sun will come out tomorrow. And all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: she was like, that is a beautiful song.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, you actually get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was so cute. And then weird that that you

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Speaker 3: just started seeing that when that's what we were doing

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Speaker 3: this way.

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Speaker 2: See I'm in tune, but you know my kids are

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Speaker 2: saying them raining blood from Slayer this morning.

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Speaker 3: You guys, as your your son who was like rolling

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Speaker 3: what was it called rolling?

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Speaker 6: Uh? Rolling?

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Speaker 3: Loud rolling loud.

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Speaker 4: God, he had the time of his life.

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Speaker 3: I heard bing bing was like watching the live stream

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Speaker 3: with like Asap, Rocky and Playboy and they're all just obsessed.

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Speaker 4: He was, but he was.

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Speaker 2: He came homelike on fire.

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Speaker 4: I mean he was nuts. He was crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean I almost killed him because his phone died.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he couldn't get a hold of anybody. All

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Speaker 2: the moms were calling everybody, and it was just like,

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Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Man, Like, come on, get it together.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was so weird. That reminds me of

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Speaker 3: like when I was a teenager, Like mom wouldn't let

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Speaker 3: me go see the Black Crows with you, but she

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Speaker 3: let me go to the Grateful Dead concert where like

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Speaker 3: everyone was high. Yeah. I think I ran into my

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Speaker 3: English teacher at the Grateful Dead concert. I was walking

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Speaker 3: down like I was walking after where we were from

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Speaker 3: up in the you know, top of the arena. Comes

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Speaker 3: running down our you know, English teacher. She's like Kate

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Speaker 3: Dani and she was tripping her head off.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's our school.

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, said nineties school, the school we went to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not like that anymore. No, listen, I'm excited with

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Speaker 3: our next guest. All over Hathan.

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Speaker 1: Allahdan that's me because Dawes, Well, first of all, they've

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Speaker 1: been through a lot in this last you know months,

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Speaker 1: with the fires and everything.

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Speaker 3: They are no the Fujikawas. They're all around the same age.

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Speaker 3: When they were coming up with their band, DAWs, Danny

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Speaker 3: and my partner, and Michael's band was kind of coming up,

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Speaker 3: so they all kind of knew each other. And I

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Speaker 3: don't really know them.

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Speaker 2: I don't know them either, and then you know, one's

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Speaker 2: married to Mandy Moore who we interviewed. Uh huh, they

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Speaker 2: just had a baby.

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Speaker 3: But they made great music three they did there but

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Speaker 3: anybody well, no, they're more like Crosbie Steels Nash and

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Speaker 3: they're like a kind of fokish but rock folk and

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Speaker 3: uh and they're great, Like anybody who is listening should

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Speaker 3: just check them out because they really are like great.

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Speaker 2: And they made it and Danny and Mike didn't.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk to them.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Hi, going.

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Speaker 3: We were just introing you and I was sort of

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Speaker 3: talking about how when Danny.

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Speaker 2: She didn't make it and you guys did.

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Speaker 3: The fuji Kawas. How I've always heard about you guys

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Speaker 3: through Michael and Danny. Yeah, and and that you guys

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Speaker 3: all sort of came up at the same time. And

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Speaker 3: Danny and and Allie was like so so so they

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Speaker 3: made it, and and and the Fujis did it.

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Speaker 7: They made it in their own ways. I mean it's

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Speaker 7: you know, they're still playing music and yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they were really well.

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Speaker 6: I mean that was like back in the day where

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Speaker 6: I would go see bands I liked because life was

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Speaker 6: so different then. But but I was like, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 6: we got to go see the next year show.

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Speaker 8: We were so many of the tunes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really, we were so happy. We were in the

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Speaker 3: we were in the desert and watching the Grammys. And

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Speaker 3: when you guys opened the Grammys, there was a lot

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Speaker 3: of like like joy coming from fujikawas pretty rad. How

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Speaker 3: was that for you?

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Speaker 4: How did that come about? Yeah, what happened.

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Speaker 6: It came about like ten days before. It was like

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Speaker 6: so crazy last minute, obviously because they were pivoting and

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Speaker 6: changing the nature of the whole show. But but yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, we've never been nominated, we've never

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Speaker 6: been to the Grammys. It's just like we and we're

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Speaker 6: also like fifteen years or more than that and nine

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Speaker 6: records into being a band. So we thought if there

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Speaker 6: was ever going to be a time for that, it's

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Speaker 6: that's long gone. So for this to come about last minute,

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Speaker 6: like we'd like you not only to play, but to

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Speaker 6: open it is so surreal. And then and then we

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Speaker 6: got to put together that amazing band. I mean it

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Speaker 6: was it was an extremely emotional week. Yeah, for a

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Speaker 6: few weeks, but that was like, like that was a

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Speaker 6: real intense high.

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Speaker 2: So you just got a call out of nowhere saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: where are you guys present.

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Speaker 6: Our like like I have a call with the Grammys

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Speaker 6: folks at ten am. I'll call you afterwards. And and

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Speaker 6: we I think we kind of joked like yeah, maybe

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Speaker 6: they want us to play, and he's like, yeah, I

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Speaker 6: don't want to get our hopes up because you know,

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Speaker 6: they could have easily been like, hey, come play at

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Speaker 6: this fundraiser or put imagine your name to some lists

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Speaker 6: for I don't know, so when when it? Yeah, So

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Speaker 6: he got the call first and then texted us at

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Speaker 6: like ten forty am and was like I need.

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Speaker 7: To speak to you both asaf Oh God, so were

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Speaker 7: you nervous?

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Speaker 3: I always think like that would be. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I get nervous anymore, but like I think the

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Speaker 3: Oscars and the Grammys singing would make me insane, Like

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Speaker 3: that would be it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I feel like if I was presenting or

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Speaker 7: the need to be nervous.

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Speaker 8: But I mean there's definitely like there was nervous nervousness.

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Speaker 7: Around you know, the spotlight, I guess, but but I

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Speaker 7: mean I would imagine you'll know how it is like

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Speaker 7: when you're when music start, Yeah, you like goes away.

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Speaker 8: This is what I do, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Less unless you start on a wrong note and then

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that So that sounds super hard. So it

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Speaker 6: gave us a lot to focus on. If it was

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Speaker 6: really easy, maybe we would have been a little more

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Speaker 6: easily distracted. But there were so many things to remember

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Speaker 6: that we didn't really have the capacity to to get

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Speaker 6: too nervous. Although the run through that morning, I got

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Speaker 6: really emotional because the like kind of seat fillers that

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Speaker 6: were there early to help run a show makes sense,

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Speaker 6: they got emotional listen to the song and that made

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Speaker 6: me emotional. I'm kind of it all was hitting me

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Speaker 6: and I was thinking, like, I can't cry later on

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Speaker 6: when we really do this thing, that would.

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Speaker 8: That would have been great television.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what do you mean you can't cry?

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Speaker 2: You would have sold at least half a million records.

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Speaker 7: The dress rehearsal too, they had all like the cardboard

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Speaker 7: cutouts with the names on it of who was sitting

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Speaker 7: at the tables. That was pretty eye opening because I

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Speaker 7: walked around and it's like, I mean, it's just that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally all of them table darker trays

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Speaker 8: for me. Yeah, crazy wild.

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Speaker 2: Did you did you see like a bump on your

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Speaker 2: streams and your and your downloads and all that after that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's interesting to see how it'll manifest.

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Speaker 7: It's not I mean, I'm not really sure honestly on

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Speaker 7: streams and all that. But that's never been the biggest

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Speaker 7: like indication for our band as to how something's doing.

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Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, to an extent it is for everyone,

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Speaker 7: but I think what we're it kind of remains to

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Speaker 7: be seen because we haven't been on tour, and that's

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Speaker 7: always where we feel like something's translating.

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Speaker 8: And we're gaining traction or not.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's been some like offers in for festivals,

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Speaker 7: just one off things throughout the year that have come

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Speaker 7: in post Grammys that and those offers can they kind

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Speaker 7: of feel like they reflect that moment and people are

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Speaker 7: excited to kind of get us there. So that's it's

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Speaker 7: just hard to say. There's there's definitely not for us

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Speaker 7: a correlation between like played the song now we're getting

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Speaker 7: a million streams to day, but that's never been right

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Speaker 7: the trajectory for us. It's always been one day and

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Speaker 7: it's like one fan at a time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the music industry is just like so weird.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, Like I like entering into it

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Speaker 3: was like, God, it's so hard. It's so expensive. Like

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Speaker 3: if you want a tour in any way that is

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Speaker 3: really great, and like, yeah, has any production value you

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Speaker 3: make You're just yeah, read.

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Speaker 8: Money and it's it's it's it's a young person's game.

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Speaker 7: I mean I think when we were young, I was son.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but like you yeah, you got.

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Speaker 7: To be able to do that work of like I'm

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Speaker 7: up at you know, we're sleeping for four hours a

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Speaker 7: night and we're driving eight hours, playing for thirty minutes,

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Speaker 7: driving three hours, doing it again the next morning. Like

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Speaker 7: in There's it's certainly not comfortable. But when you're eighteen

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Speaker 7: I think I.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't into that at twenty. I'm just gonna say it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: What is it?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm interested in your experience now that you're

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Speaker 7: you are like you, I know, I think almost everyone

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Speaker 7: in your band they're friends of mine.

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Speaker 8: Oh cool, Yeah, But how like.

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Speaker 7: It must be a trip to go to enter into

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Speaker 7: the business now like this far along in your life

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Speaker 7: to to to start touring, Like what what is that experience?

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Speaker 2: Is?

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Speaker 8: Is it what you thought it would be?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And no? You know, I like I I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it, and like I wish I could do

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Speaker 3: it more consistently, but again it just costs too much money.

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Speaker 3: And but I I I think it's like my favorite.

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Speaker 3: It's where I'm happiest, you know, and even even in

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Speaker 3: even in like small weird gigs that I've done, that

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Speaker 3: sounded terrible. I still just love it. I just love

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Speaker 3: I love being with musicians and being together and getting weird.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, as you get older, you get as

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Speaker 8: See, I mean, things.

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Speaker 3: And it's everywhere, like from artists that you would never

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Speaker 4: You know, this is no longer always.

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Speaker 3: It just depends on everybody's Every artist has a different circumstance.

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Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, that's them.

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Speaker 4: I know you're fine. I know you're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 7: That for me doesn't feel like a challenge generally, certainly

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Speaker 4: I got expelled.

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Speaker 2: I got expelled just so I would try to be

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Speaker 6: For a lot of the reason why we went was

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Speaker 2: You're entering a whole fucking new world of insanity.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Our mom was like, we went to we moved

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Speaker 8: Before. I was worried.

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Speaker 8: It's like close to Magic Mountain.

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Speaker 6: Our mom was a like vice president of a homeowner's

444
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 6: insurance company. She was a but a real badass, like

445
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 6: started a company with six people and like stuck it

446
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 6: out the whole time and really crushed it. And then

447
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 6: our dad was a and he would be the first

448
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 6: person to say it, but he was just kind of

449
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 6: like a no good like musician that had all the talents.

450
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 6: He was so he was so good like when our

451
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 6: mom met him, he was I was. I remember asking

452
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 6: him because he was in a school bus with all

453
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 6: of his bandmates and they had a thing. If I

454
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 6: remember correctly, it was like a weekly gig in Portland,

455
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 6: a weekly getting gig in SF, and then like a

456
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 6: weekly gigs maybe Seattle or somewhere else. Up in the

457
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 6: Pacific Northwest, and I was like, what was your long

458
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 6: term play?

459
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 7: Dad?

460
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 6: You were like when you met you must have been

461
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 6: like thirty six, Like were you looking to make another record?

462
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 6: Were you trying to start another band? Like what was

463
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 6: going on?

464
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 8: Kids?

465
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 6: When he was like like, I don't think you realized,

466
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 6: Like I was a piece of shit, Like I had

467
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 6: no plans, and your mom showed up and just was like,

468
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 6: you're going to get it together now and we're going

469
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 6: to do that. Send them she saved my life and

470
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 6: and so like he was still always a musician, but

471
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 6: he got into other things as the years went on,

472
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 6: and he was in real estate for a while. But yeah,

473
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 6: it's like the stories I hear about who our dad

474
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 6: was before we knew him versus the dad that we

475
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 6: had raising us is just so hard to.

476
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, we have some older half siblings and our oldest

477
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 7: brother is almost fixty and he said to me, so

478
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 7: he my dad, our dad had him when he was

479
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 7: like eighteen. And I think once Jeff, our brother was eighteen,

480
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 7: our dad was thirty six. And so my brother Jeff

481
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 7: has always said to us, like, you know, one day,

482
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 7: maybe when you're when our parents are gone, I'm gonna

483
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 7: tell you some ship that's gonna like your mind.

484
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 4: I can't wait.

485
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 8: I can't wait.

486
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 6: We'll come, we'll come. We'll come to our part too

487
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 6: with you guys.

488
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: Doesn't that make you so curious? Like, dude, just tell

489
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 4: me you like it already.

490
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 6: They've already told you. They already told how hard they parted.

491
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 6: So it's hard.

492
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, we have some stories. I think him and Jeff

493
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 7: were living together, like above the Pinks.

494
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: In mid City.

495
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, and when Jeff was like eighteen, I was thirty six,

496
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 7: and I think that was when maybe there was some

497
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 7: like pretty wild ship happening.

498
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: Above Pink You mean Pink's talk like the talk hot talk.

499
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 7: Oh my, really, yeah, I mean different times like our

500
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 7: dad would tell stories like yeah I would, I really,

501
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 7: I like knew I would eat cabbage every night. I

502
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 7: would make cabbage too because it was only a dollar.

503
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 7: And what is happening?

504
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's there's nature nurture, there's DNA, but

505
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: you guys are followed sort of in his path. I guess, right,

506
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: I mean, was that Obviously it's not a conscious choice.

507
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: But you're definitely not doing insurance.

508
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: Right, there's a reference there, right, where it's like.

509
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 6: Actually one story that's actually pretty it's like a pretty

510
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 6: cool tid. That fun fact is his band they were

511
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 6: called sweat Hog and they toured They opened torch. Supposedly,

512
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 6: I've never seen the merch. I wish I could find

513
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 6: a I've looked at. Supposedly it was a white teacher

514
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 6: that just said sweat Hog on the front and then

515
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 6: yellow pit stains that were like printed into the.

516
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: I like that merch.

517
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 6: They opened for Sabbath every time they toured domestically, from

518
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 6: like their second record or their fourth record. But then

519
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 6: I remember asking Cameron Crow this because in Almost Famous,

520
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 6: there's a scene where that kid says like, oh hey,

521
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 6: Frosty and that was our dad's drummer, and that was

522
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 6: a black Sabbath show, like fictitiously that that still Water

523
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 6: was opening for And I was so I remember asking Cameron, like,

524
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 6: did you know our dad's band sweat Hogs, Like, yeah,

525
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 6: that's why I wrote that in there, Like so was.

526
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 7: That Chrosty was his best best friend from when he

527
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 7: was when they grew up together, and he was my

528
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 7: first drum teacher in a small world.

529
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, crazy, that's pretty cool.

530
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: Now, when did you know, like was music just always

531
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: like you were just always playing music? Like did were

532
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: you the kinds of kids were like they put you

533
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: in music lessons.

534
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 6: It was never like a choice. It was like, yeah,

535
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 6: my mom told me today that I was like because

536
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 6: where we were kind of marveling at like our kids

537
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 6: just their memories for these songs and what the kind

538
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 6: of songs I was asking for it? And my mom

539
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 6: said it today, was like you were the same way.

540
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 6: Like when you were three. We were listening to a

541
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 6: song that I had heard a thousand times and and

542
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 6: you were in the back, and all of a sudden

543
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 6: you just say, like, mom, filled drums on this song.

544
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 6: And when I listened close, it's like, oh yeah, he's right,

545
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 6: there's no drums and I would have three you all

546
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 6: be hearing that. So and then our dad was singing

547
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 6: harmonies with us and stuff.

548
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 8: So yeah, well, you.

549
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 6: Know when all those little things you fill out as

550
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 6: a five year old or four year old, like what

551
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 6: are you gonna be when you grow up? It was

552
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 6: like I'm already a singer. That's what I do.

553
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I joke that, like with Steely Dan, I like

554
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 7: I don't have like what people ask me my favorite

555
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 7: band is I'm like, I don't it's it's Steely Dan,

556
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 7: But I don't feel like I ever made a choice.

557
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 7: It's I feel like it's pvlo Van that when that

558
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 7: music was played so much when we were kids, that

559
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 7: when it comes on my money, I'm like, yep, it's

560
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 7: the best thing ever.

561
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: My six year old her favorite. She loves dirty work.

562
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that was.

563
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: And like when she asks for it around people, they're

564
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: like whoa, And I'm like, I feel so proud.

565
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, my little baby, he's whenever he gets bussy,

566
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 7: you know, we're playing some different music to see how

567
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 7: he respond. And maybe it's early to say this, but

568
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 7: every time we put the dead on yeah chilling.

569
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 3: Well, when I was pregnant, Rider, I named him because

570
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: we Chris was covering I Know You Writer, and every

571
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: time he'd play it, he'd go he'd Rider was super

572
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: laid back in my belly, like he was like I

573
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: had to go to the doctor multiple times because I

574
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: just thought something was wrong. But every time Chris would

575
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: play that, he'd start to move. And I made a joke, well,

576
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: I guess we'll call him Rider, And then I was like, interesting, I.

577
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 7: Have a weird kind of similar thing with we were

578
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 7: talking about at some point on the lineup and a

579
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 7: second kid and I the song I would say, we

580
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 7: played a lot with Phil Lesh before he passed. And

581
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 7: the song I would sing is Cassidy And we've always

582
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 7: liked that name.

583
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, my chief of staff's god daughter's name is Cassidy.

584
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: Parents are like the biggest deadheads of all times.

585
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 7: It was a song about it was about like one

586
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 7: of the texts kids in the band, right, one of

587
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 7: the grape texts.

588
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm going to go back. Can I go

589
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: back for a second?

590
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: Did you say your chief of staff?

591
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: Did you just say.

592
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 8: That, yeah, you're running for office.

593
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: I don't understand what's going on, the chief of staff,

594
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: I know, But since when are we calling this that?

595
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: Because because at some point we decided this year in

596
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five that we would give real titles.

597
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: Chief of staff.

598
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 6: I need to get I don't know, to just apply

599
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 6: to politics.

600
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: I know, it's like, what the fuck is going on?

601
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: We should as she said it so nonchalant, she goes, yeah,

602
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: it's crazy, my chief of staff.

603
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 6: We should just know from now we should start calling

604
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 6: all of our tour managers are chief off.

605
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: Hey, real quick? Is it how Steely Dan got the name?

606
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 6: Is that?

607
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 4: Is that a true story?

608
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 8: Double from Yeah.

609
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 6: Lunch?

610
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, from Naked Lunch.

611
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's in there. I can confirm it. I've read it.

612
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: The first time I heard Steely Dan, I was fifteen

613
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: years old, fourteen, and I was going to Dave Matthews

614
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: was opening for Fish at the Santa Monica Civic Center

615
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: and I was going to the show. But I had

616
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: never heard Fish. It was my friends were big like

617
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: fish heads. I knew Dave, I liked it. I knew

618
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: Dave Matthews, but I didn't know you know. Anyway, Kurt.

619
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: I was listening to a CD of Fish, and Kurt

620
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: was like, oh no, no, He's like, you got to

621
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: you got to hear the real this, this is where

622
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: this comes from. And he and he played me Steely

623
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: Dan for the first time. I thought that was so cute.

624
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 8: It was like interesting that I would make the connection

625
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 8: with the dead.

626
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 7: I mean, I've always thought it's funny the dead, Like

627
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 7: I don't I love the Grateful Dead.

628
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 8: I'm not a Jam fan.

629
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 7: It's so like I'm to me, I'm like, obviously it

630
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 7: personifies and defines Jam.

631
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 8: Music.

632
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 7: But yeah, outside of that, that's it.

633
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 8: It begins and ends with them for me.

634
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: Have you have you gotten into Goose at all?

635
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: Yeah?

636
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 7: There are good are good friends. We're going to play

637
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 7: there festival, and man.

638
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 6: I should like give Griffin the contextualized what Griffin's saying,

639
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 6: because we jam in our band, we jam with Goose

640
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 6: like whenever we're in the same world as them, like

641
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 6: we whenever we do that thing with them, like there's

642
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 6: we sat in with them last time we saw him

643
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 6: in Buffalo, New York, and that I come up for

644
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: two songs and all the rest of the guys had

645
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 6: to wait for us. Okay, it was literally forty five

646
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 6: minutes before we got off stage and Griffin and I

647
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 6: were like, hi from it. It's so intoxicating, it's so

648
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 6: amazing to do it. And it was the same with

649
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 6: philm like like Griffin would like reach like the stratospheres

650
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 6: with with with jamming. But I guess, like I think

651
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 6: you're speaking more is just like a listener. It's not yeah,

652
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 6: like non is not what he wants to hear, but

653
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 6: he definitely what he wants to play.

654
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: If I have that right, I mean, unless you're like,

655
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: unless there you have like certain bootlegs where it goes

656
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: on for like fifteen minutes and it blows your mind.

657
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I mean no doubt.

658
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, I guess some people consider Alman

659
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 7: Brothers a jam band, so I shouldn't. Yeah, I love

660
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 7: them deeply, I don't consider them a jam bam, but

661
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 7: that is to stay I'm not like Anti.

662
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: I love I'm I'm love Goose right, But it feels

663
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: like that era the jam band was like a lot

664
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: of there's a lot of drugs that were floating around then.

665
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: So the jam when you are, you know, on psilocybin

666
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: or you're on acid or even superblaze, you can just

667
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: you know, immerse yourself in the music so much. It's

668
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: telling you stories and becoming something.

669
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there's anyone so totally any of you

670
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 7: guys like done psychedelics. It's definitely like pretty crazy to

671
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 7: hear music that was conceived on psychedelics, you know, I.

672
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: Get I get these like sometimes he's like midnight to

673
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: like one am text from my brother and they're always

674
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: like random songs and I'm like, oh Ollie is so

675
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: high right now? Yeah, well like random, But.

676
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: It's the weird musicians on Instagram doing cool crazy.

677
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to see this.

678
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: Some of them.

679
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: Some of them she's like, that's amazing, and other ones

680
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: she's like, what the.

681
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 8: F like that stuff on my feed that comes up?

682
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 8: That's mind boggling.

683
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 7: I'm like, I I find myself watching it in awe,

684
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 7: and I'm I'm never like, I'm not always like WHOA Musically,

685
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 7: this is blowing my mind, Like sometimes it feels like

686
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 7: that was music I was hearing in an elevator about

687
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 7: a video. I'd be like, I don't I wouldn't think

688
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 7: twice about because seeing some of this, it's like a

689
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 7: different exactly.

690
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: And the characters who are playing the music are half

691
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: the battle.

692
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 8: You've seen, yeah, totally and Instagram is.

693
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: Built for that.

694
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 7: But you've seen this guy that taps and plays I

695
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 7: think he's massively famous, like a European kid guitar and

696
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 7: shred crazy machine or something.

697
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: I've seen that kid. He's nuts.

698
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: Have you seen have you seen the drummer who does

699
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: like performance art drumming with like one drum stare?

700
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 8: Yes, I love him.

701
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing ever.

702
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: So many and then there's like a weird, groovy guys

703
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: who were playing what's the instrument that's like that that

704
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, there's no actual instruments going.

705
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 7: Yes, And then there's one guy like is a guy

706
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 7: named he's pretty famous musician named Nate Wood who plays keys, bass,

707
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 7: and drum all at the same time, these drums with

708
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 7: one hand and it's like crazy insane like blast beat, shredding.

709
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 8: Nay, I can do it.

710
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

711
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: I just feel like that wouldn't give me a joy,

712
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: it would give me excited.

713
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's the thing. Also, it was like that,

714
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 8: if you're not watching that, what is it? You know?

715
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 3: Like all right, so how did you guys know what

716
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: you were drawn to? Like in terms of instrument? Did

717
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: it come pretty? Was it like straightforward?

718
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 6: I think it was like, you know, like the circumstances

719
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 6: under which we grew up. Like at first I was

720
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 6: learning some guitar and learning piano at the same time.

721
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 6: But then I met Blake Mills and we met at

722
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 6: like eleven or twelve years old, and then it was like, oh,

723
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 6: we're going to be in bands forever together. And he

724
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 6: was such a phenomenal guitar player. When I met him,

725
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 6: he was playing all the Van Halen songs already and

726
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 6: just was like some freak.

727
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: And also for people who don't, I don't know who

728
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 3: Blake Mills is. Blake Mills as a songwriter and actually

729
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: and a producer. Now, he did a lot of the

730
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: music for Daisy Jones on the same but he writes

731
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: a lot with many different artists.

732
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 6: Now yeah, yeah, he's always producing new records and stuff.

733
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 6: And he's a great guitarist, so he plays on all

734
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 6: the records he produces, and so yeah. Then but then

735
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 6: when we split up, So anyway, during that time, I

736
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 6: became more of a keyboardist, and so I was like,

737
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 6: I guess I'm a keyboard player because I'm with Blake.

738
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 6: And then when Blake left and was like I'm going

739
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: to stay home and produce and I'm not going to tour,

740
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 6: then I was like, okay, I'm going to try to

741
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 6: get better guitar. And I think it was similar with

742
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 6: Griff It was like clearly the missing piece, like we

743
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 6: had Blake and me and Wiley, and our drummer was

744
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 6: this guy Stewart who was famly we love him so much,

745
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 6: but he was a little older and he kind of

746
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 6: knew like I'm not going to be able to run

747
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 6: with these guys. For as long as they're going to

748
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 6: want to go. And so I think we all kind

749
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 6: of sensed it, and I think that kind of contributed

750
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 6: to Griffin drifting towards the drum along with it just

751
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 6: coming very naturally.

752
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 8: That's true. I was feeling a boy, but it was

753
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 8: also just physically that was the thing.

754
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 6: Like I was.

755
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 7: I think piano first had really great independence, Like I

756
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 7: could do I could say, like Charlie Brown theme or whatever,

757
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 7: I separate my left hand.

758
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 8: From my right end, but I couldn't really improvise or stretch.

759
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 7: And then so part of it was just like I

760
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 7: started playing drums, I was like this, this instrument just

761
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 7: makes more sense to me.

762
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

763
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 2: And growing up, you know, were you guys close as kids.

764
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 6: We got along. But it's like, my it's funny because

765
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 6: raising kids all I do, like all days. Compare it

766
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 6: to my experience with griffins. And and now I have

767
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 6: three and the oldest one just turned four, so he

768
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 6: wasn't four when the youngest one was born. So they're

769
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 6: all gonna be they're all pretty close in age and

770
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 6: oh my god. Yeah, and so the two boys, the

771
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 6: two older ones are boys, and then the youngest one

772
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 6: is a girl, and the two boys are just on

773
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 6: the top of each other and wrestling and playing, and

774
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: they're getting to a point now where they can share

775
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 6: their toys and like they're having a great time. But

776
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 6: I was thinking, like I was five when Griffin was born,

777
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 6: and so like it was just I'm sure I was

778
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 6: more helpful with my parents. I hope I was, but

779
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 6: we it wasn't like we were playing. And then you know,

780
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 6: by the time he's three and I'm eight, or he's

781
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 6: eight and I'm thirteen, it's just thing ever really until

782
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 6: he was about sixteen or so, and then it's like, oh,

783
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 6: now we're kind of pretty much living the same life.

784
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 6: So we were. We weren't as close. I mean we weren't.

785
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 6: We didn't hate each other. It was a couple of

786
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 6: normal blowouts, but probably far less than was normal.

787
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 7: I think that's partly part because of that. I think

788
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 7: that that was like the upside to having distances. We're

789
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 7: not in competition for the same girls, or we're not

790
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 7: like beefing because we're not in the same.

791
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: You're almost so far apart that Griffin even looking up

792
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: to your older brother. It's there, but it's not this

793
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: sort of I need your attention so much totally.

794
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 7: It was more like, WHOA, that's so cool, Like this

795
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 7: guy's going on tour and I love.

796
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 8: The music he likes because he's showing it to me.

797
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 8: Like definitely, there were some.

798
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, some some of that that also, like be

799
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 7: I was sou likely Taylor and Blake was a huge

800
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 7: part of I like to at that point.

801
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 8: Had such great taste.

802
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 7: That I and our dad that, like I, I was

803
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 7: so impressionable at thirteen fifteen when they were kind of

804
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 7: discovering music that I was also taking in by osmosis

805
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 7: or whatever, and they so I guess I'm what I'm

806
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 7: trying to say is that could have been bad if

807
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 7: it had been, you know, anything other than what it was,

808
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 7: which was was Costello, Peter Gabriel.

809
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 8: You know, David Bowie.

810
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 7: Like I think at that point they were past the

811
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 7: third eye blind you know, portion of our of our childhood.

812
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 6: But we digested it for you.

813
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I was at one point, but when

814
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 7: we started our band, we were so eye to eye

815
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: on the aesthetic musically because because of that, because I

816
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 7: had been essentially seeing what he liked and then loving

817
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 7: it because he loved it and so we've always come

818
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 7: from be able to come from the same I.

819
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: Think that's interesting because you guys are far enough a

820
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: part where you don't have that like typical brother complication

821
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: of like being in a band. Would you say, Taylor though,

822
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: that's because you like because you're older, Like, does do

823
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: you do you kind of like? Do you like it?

824
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: Does it feel like you guys hold the same position

825
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: as you do as siblings, like Taylor? You you no?

826
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 6: I think do you.

827
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: Think it's like is it horizontal or is it vertical?

828
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Your relationship.

829
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 6: I would guess if I'm understanding your analogy right, I would.

830
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 6: I would. I think it's it's like vertical. I think,

831
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 6: like we I don't consider myself and I'm curious what

832
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 6: Griff has to say too, But I don't consider myself

833
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 6: Griffin's older brother, and I don't. And I also don't

834
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 6: appreciate when I'm in that position to like play the

835
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 6: role like there were times this hasn't happened for years,

836
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 6: but back in the day when we were younger, and

837
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 6: it's like we're pulling into some town and it's time

838
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 6: to wake up early for a radio gig, and like

839
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 6: someone has to go wake up, And I remember tour

840
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 6: managers being like, go get Griff, like it's nine thirty am.

841
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 6: We got to wake up and go to the radio station,

842
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 6: and it's like I'm actually the last person on the bus.

843
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 6: Griffin's is a really sweet dude, but it's like I

844
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 6: don't think it should be his older brother, like hey,

845
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 6: get up, because there's just so much immediately like like

846
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: that's a problemat There's so many layers to that. Whereas

847
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 6: it's a tour manager being like, hey, it's time to go,

848
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 6: then it's like, oh, yeah, it's my job. But otherwise,

849
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 6: like it's my fucking brother waking me up.

850
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: That's smart though, I mean I don't think most would

851
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: even think that far, and.

852
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 6: Not that he would ever buy my head off or anything,

853
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 6: but it's just like I just don't ever want to

854
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 6: like get into that role of like, oh there's baggage here,

855
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 6: or there's just there's just a mentions here, or that

856
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 6: I just want to avoid.

857
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: How do you guys deal with opposition, you know, creatively

858
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: where that is where you might butt heads or do

859
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: you or you guys pretty much think.

860
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 7: I mean, no, you know, everybody disagrees at some point,

861
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 7: I just think that I think it's more of just

862
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 7: a human characteristic that Taylor has and that maybe I

863
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 7: share to an extent, rather than you know, the brotherly

864
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 7: bond you know that allows us to just communicate.

865
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 8: To me.

866
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 7: It's like I always and I mean this I think

867
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 7: is developed over time in my own life. But I

868
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 7: like to disagree in the sense that it can be

869
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 7: really constructive. Like I don't find a lot of value

870
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 7: in just being in a room where everyone's like, yes, yes,

871
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 7: that's great, your genius, Yes, let's just keep going.

872
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 8: That's awesome.

873
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 7: Like I mean, obviously, if it's working, it's working. But

874
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 7: I feel like finding that objectivity and being able to

875
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 7: know if it's working comes from challenging assumptions, challenging you know,

876
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 7: what I like, and knowing that what I like is

877
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 7: just that it's just what I like.

878
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: I wonder if this is like a generational thing, because

879
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: I find that like the bands of the nineties are

880
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: a little bit before like it was sort of like

881
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: the early Brothers are really good together, but like the Ninth,

882
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: like the eighties, nine, the seventies, eighties, nineties Brothers are

883
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: all notoriously problematic.

884
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 7: You know, yeah, I think it's I think it's it's

885
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 7: the division of like tasks too. I don't write songs

886
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 7: and so and he writes all of them. I think

887
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 7: that's a big part of it.

888
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 6: Like Liam didn't write, either write, and they still found

889
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 6: a way to. Oh he didn't hate each other. I'm wrong.

890
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 6: But I.

891
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: Was on tour with them for a whole summer. Oh wow,

892
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: it was so fun. But they were great. It was

893
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: so fun. We had so much fun.

894
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 8: Friend that's playing with them, and.

895
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: I can't wait to go see them.

896
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 8: I've heard it's like, I mean, I don't know.

897
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 7: I think this is the question, but like do they

898
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 7: each other or it's just a brilliant like way to.

899
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: No there, It's it's hard. Their relationship is hard.

900
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 6: You guys know Alex Greenwald Fantom Planet know him and

901
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 6: him tight.

902
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: I know of him. I just don't know him.

903
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 6: But he was he shared this thing on on social media,

904
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 6: so I'm not like talking at a turn or anything,

905
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 6: but he was saying that he was at a party

906
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 6: once and Oasis was his favorite brand as a kid,

907
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 6: and he was at a party at a mutual friend's

908
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 6: house where they were there. The brothers were there and

909
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 6: he just went up to be like, hey, I just

910
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 6: want to let you know I'm such a big fan

911
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 6: and and they both like, oh, yeah, we know your band,

912
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 6: like because he's in the band Fan of Planet. And

913
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 6: they were like, do you want to hear some of

914
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 6: our new songs? And he's like sure. So they to

915
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 6: the bathroom with an acoustic guitar, just the three of them,

916
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 6: I think it was the three of them, and they

917
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: were and Noel started singing and Liam kept cheering it on,

918
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 6: like playing that other new one, playing that other new one,

919
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 6: and like and and Liam would sing it, and Noel

920
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 6: was like, my brother's the best fucking songwriter. They were

921
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 6: so proud of each other. And then and then it

922
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 6: was like a couple of years later that it all

923
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 6: blew up. But and then how good they are and

924
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 6: insulting each other publicly. It just felt like understand someone

925
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 6: you're related to, but it's also like this is so

926
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 6: good and compelling each other.

927
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: They're so different, you know, just their energies like everything,

928
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: they're just so different. And so I feel like it's

929
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: the same thing with Chris and Rich you know from

930
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: my ex husband, Like they're so different, Like if you're

931
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: gonna be living with each other and constantly dealing with

932
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: each other's stuff, and you know, you've got to sort

933
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: of very like very sort of explosive personalities. And I

934
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: mean that in like a positive way, like fun outgoing wild.

935
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: You're gonna at some point and then and Noel's kind

936
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: of shy and laid back. I can you know. I

937
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: mean you're gonna butt heads. Yeah, You're gonna drive each

938
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 3: other nuts.

939
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think again, it comes back to what I'm

940
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 7: saying about for us, at least, just being able to know,

941
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 7: like we can disagree, let's just not do it in

942
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 7: bad faith. Let's not like it's insult each other. It's

943
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 7: more like, if we're going to disagree, let's just do

944
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 7: it knowing that we love each other.

945
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 8: And there's no.

946
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: Sure it sounds like you have good parents.

947
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 6: You know, we both care a lot about what we do,

948
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 6: and so like there's of course that fear that I'm

949
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 6: sure we both share when we're working on a song

950
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 6: in a studio and it's not going the way one

951
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 6: of us wants it to, and it's like, oh, but

952
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 6: it's so precious and it's so you know, you guys

953
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 6: know how this is like it's it's when you're recording

954
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 6: a song. You can lose it if you don't catch it.

955
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 6: When when the when, the when, the moment is like

956
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 6: presenting itself. And so when it's in that like that

957
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 6: inspirational zone, I'm sure we're both kind of like like,

958
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 6: oh my god, oh my god, it's happening. Let's make

959
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 6: sure we get a little bit not in like, like

960
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 6: I've said, never insulting, but definitely like are we're both

961
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 6: like our voices are raised because we both we both

962
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 6: just care a lot. And like I said, as long

963
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 6: as we could be mindful of like we have the

964
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 6: same objective and there is a way even in those

965
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 6: those those intense moments that feel like they are only

966
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 6: these brief windows, there is a way to see through

967
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 6: everybody's visions. And as long as we can do that,

968
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 6: it works out.

969
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: What's interesting about that, yeah, compromise. What's interesting is you're

970
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: not dealing with.

971
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: Business, You're not dealing with a logical, potentially logical right answer.

972
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: You're dealing with art and creativity. And when you have

973
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: that kind of passion around it and there's differing opinions,

974
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard that that compromise can get a

975
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: little bit difficult because there is no there is no

976
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: logical right answer for it. It's like, this is what

977
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: I feel is fucking the way it should be, and

978
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: then Griffin is like, fuck you, no, this is how.

979
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 4: It should be.

980
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like, how do you come to that compromise?

981
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, it's knowing that I personally, it's it's

982
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 7: having a lot of outlets. It's it's knowing like I am,

983
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 7: it's not just my land. I'm not going to make

984
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 7: you know. It's not going to end up necessarily to

985
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 7: be the thing that I envision it to be because

986
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 7: there's simple people involved, and like we all need to

987
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 7: figure this out together, and usually, if not always, it's

988
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 7: a lot better than I could admit it because we.

989
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 8: Were tapping into the strengths of others. But yeah, I

990
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 8: mean I think that what you're talking.

991
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 7: About is a really delicate balance and that that is

992
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 7: the that is the hardest part, as I see it,

993
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 7: of a good producer is like knowing how to be

994
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 7: very delicate and and and navigate these relationships well, I mean,

995
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 7: because you know, you could have all the goods, but

996
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 7: as soon as you I mean, I always stress this

997
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 7: to people like, you know, to the one person that's

998
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 7: cared to ask that. I think like every single element

999
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 7: in the studio will change the vibe and and will

1000
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 7: make its way into the art that's being created.

1001
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 8: And so it's you just can't.

1002
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 7: Be careful enough about you know, what you're saying between

1003
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 7: you know, takes or anything like the que mix, just

1004
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 7: the vibe, the assistant assistance, assistants, assistant that walked in,

1005
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 7: and it's like, you know, like all of it is

1006
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 7: playing into the thing, which is why we've always kind

1007
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 7: of kept things really tight when we record and kind

1008
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 7: of like insular and now more than ever because there's.

1009
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 8: Just the two of us. But yeah, I mean it's

1010
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 8: is it just when you have it, you want to

1011
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 8: protect it, you.

1012
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 3: Know, So do you play with now? Because it used

1013
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 3: to be what was Wiley and and then now Wiley

1014
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: is like making things.

1015
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, Wiley's making up and then I for the studio,

1016
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 6: we just kind of do the bulk of it. I

1017
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 6: played bass on most of the last record, and I'll

1018
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 6: maybe I'll do a version of something like that in

1019
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 6: the next one, or maybe we'll hire someone. I mean,

1020
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 6: we really have no rules. And then same with keys

1021
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 6: I played all the keyboards on it, and then and

1022
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 6: then when we tour, we hire that out and that's

1023
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 6: been fun. I mean initially it was like, oh shit,

1024
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 6: like Wiley was our boy from like fifteen years. He

1025
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 6: was fifteen and I was seventeen or eighteen when we met,

1026
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 6: and it's just so. I mean, if like, I have

1027
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 6: other half brothers and I love them very much, but

1028
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 6: Wiley is like he's like his family, like Grippin and Wiley.

1029
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 6: I feel like I know better than just about anybody

1030
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 6: except like White.

1031
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 7: I heard somebody put this funt well, I thought when

1032
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 7: when I was talking to them about White leading the band,

1033
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 7: because it's so because he's our best friend, and so

1034
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 7: you want what's best for your best friend. They said,

1035
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 7: it's like your White telling you she's leaving you because

1036
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 7: she's a Levian.

1037
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 8: And like, on one hand, you're like, oh my god.

1038
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 7: I'm devastated because I love this relationship and everything. But

1039
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 7: on the other hand, you're like, I'm so glad that

1040
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 7: you now know that what makes you happy and then

1041
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 7: embrace it, you know. Like it was kind of like

1042
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 7: that where it's like, dude, I love you and I

1043
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 7: just want you to do whatever is going to make

1044
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 7: you happy, and it has and I think it's been

1045
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 7: the best for him.

1046
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: Before we wrap up, I just want to say, like,

1047
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: I know you guys went through with the fires, like

1048
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: has that you know? Taylor, I don't know, how are you?

1049
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: Have you been talking about this a lot? Yeah, comfortable,

1050
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: But Taylor, you you I know you lost. I was

1051
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 3: actually talking to somebody who knows you, not that long ago,

1052
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: who was talking about your situation, which is actually really

1053
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: interesting because you didn't lose your main house. What you lost.

1054
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 6: Your main house is standing. The studio's gone, the garage

1055
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 6: with like an apartment built above it is gone, and

1056
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 6: a lot of the landscaping is is towards And it's

1057
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 6: weird because when when I first walk back, like the

1058
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 6: next few days, is like, our house is standing. It's

1059
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 6: so amazing, but it's it's kind of like the thing

1060
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 6: I keep mentioning. It's kind of like like seeing the

1061
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 6: bottom of the Titanic where where everyone left their plates

1062
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 6: and toys and stuff, like you can never have it

1063
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 6: back because the smoke damage is so extreme that we

1064
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 6: have their mediation contractors are like, you're probably gonna lose

1065
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 6: almost all your furniture, your rugs and clothes. So like,

1066
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 6: I'm not going to pretend like we're not lucky to

1067
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 6: have our main house standing. We're going to live there again,

1068
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 6: and that's amazing. But but it is like going to

1069
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 6: be a different place when we have an event, and

1070
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 6: that's so surreal. And it's also like and again, these

1071
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 6: are roads I'm happy to go down. But it's even

1072
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 6: our insure insurance like adjuster, he's like, just so you know,

1073
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 6: it's way more complicated with people with only partial burns,

1074
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 6: and so like every single thing they're they're they've been

1075
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 6: amazing to us, but everything single thing is like, oh,

1076
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 6: we need we need to get accounting for this, for that,

1077
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 6: and we got to have a conversation about this, and

1078
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 6: we got to look into this contractor whereas you know,

1079
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 6: people that lost their house, like here's what you're entitled to.

1080
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 6: And obviously too, but.

1081
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: Of course, I mean when I saw when it all

1082
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: happened in the Palisades and eating where you guys were

1083
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: and all that, you know, they would show the landscape

1084
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: and there's like one house in the middle, in the

1085
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: midst of all, and I said to me that, I said,

1086
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: the only thing worse than than your house burning down

1087
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 2: is to be the one that didn't.

1088
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like you know, you you might have

1089
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 7: a house, but you no longer have a neighborhood. Yeah,

1090
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 7: it's going to change, but yeah, what are you going

1091
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 7: to do? You don't have the options. My house is

1092
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 7: totally gone, and it sucks. But it's also like I

1093
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 7: can make decisions to either I can make a decision

1094
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 7: not to go back to move elsewhere, you know, like

1095
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 7: I have decisions to make based on you know, what

1096
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 7: insurance comes out with and all that. And you know,

1097
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 7: when your house is partially there, such as tailors, like

1098
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 7: you can't really you just have fewer options here because

1099
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 7: I'm in.

1100
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: The I'm in the Palisades and I'm just now going

1101
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: finishing the remediation and through all of that. But then

1102
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: you know, you're talking to experts about air quality. Yeah,

1103
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: I talked to the guy, the Hey guy who's leading

1104
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: that a wonderful wonderful like researcher Harvard Research, go back,

1105
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: you know, he he did, but he said, you just

1106
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: have to make sure you have like really like the

1107
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: proper things in your house that are you know, the

1108
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 3: proper filters and air purifiers and water and all this stuff,

1109
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: so I have I have a lot more to do.

1110
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: And the truth is is that it's really if I

1111
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 3: could stay away, if you can stay away for the

1112
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: cleaning process, that's a better thing to do, which is

1113
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what it's like in Altadna, but for

1114
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: us it's about nine months to a year, so I think,

1115
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, we'll be gone most of the summer. We're

1116
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 3: going to not spend too much time. But like, like

1117
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: I said, like it's a weird thing because our neighborhood's gone,

1118
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: so is.

1119
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 8: Like totally gone.

1120
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: It's gone.

1121
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 2: Wow, like Palisades, well the Palasa, it's proper.

1122
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 6: It is gone.

1123
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 7: Our childhood house burned down that night as well, just

1124
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 7: so strippy. My parents didn't know it anymore in their

1125
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 7: house in Altadina burned down, but really wild, just such

1126
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 7: an extreme event, so total.

1127
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 3: You know, we left, we when we couldn't come home.

1128
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: Danny and I all we did was write music. Did

1129
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 3: you find that you're writing change or that that was

1130
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: something you lean towards or was it not.

1131
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 6: Like that for you? I I mean it's like our

1132
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 6: youngest was two months old when the fire happened, so

1133
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 6: like it's just been we're just in it right now.

1134
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 6: I mean there I've had I've been taking down notes

1135
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 6: and I feel like, yeah, I feel like I'm I'm

1136
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 6: it's welling up. I know that songs are gonna come,

1137
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 6: but it's just been it's just been like it's just

1138
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 6: right now, it's just sort of been I guess, just

1139
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 6: taking it all in. I do look forward to that though,

1140
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 6: and I know it's coming.

1141
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're gonna it's it'll it's gonna be

1142
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: like it'll come out of you, like much more prolifically

1143
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: than you you probably could think of.

1144
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 6: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm That's what I'm

1145
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 6: hoping for. I mean, I I not that, not that

1146
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 6: I you know, none of us wish for this, but

1147
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 6: it's like at least like like I can dig deep

1148
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 6: and and and I think it also helped me. I

1149
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 6: think my tendency has been to go into just like

1150
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 6: like my therapist told me an interesting thing, and he said,

1151
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 6: how with with experiences like this, women have better access

1152
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 6: to their to their emotional reaction to the experience, where

1153
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 6: men tend to go either into like a depressed, depressive

1154
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 6: state where they're closed off and like they're just not

1155
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 6: feeling anything or like a mister fix it mode and

1156
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 6: and like and like it, and he's like and all

1157
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 6: of it's essential. It's not like not none of it's bad.

1158
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 6: It's like that's why we are, that's why we live

1159
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 6: in herds like this is this is good that we're

1160
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 6: all approaching this with a different experience. But yeah, I'm

1161
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 6: definitely like I want to let my emotions like kind

1162
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 6: of voice themselves because I do feel like it was

1163
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 6: immediately problem solving mode of like how do we get

1164
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 6: the kids to sleep? How do we get a new

1165
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 6: school situation? And there's just there's been not a whole

1166
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 6: lot of time to grieve. Yeah, but I'm sure it's coming.

1167
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: Well, you guys, I could, we could talk to you forever.

1168
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 6: But you have fun.

1169
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 4: You've got to you got a heart out, We've got

1170
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: a heart out.

1171
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 8: We're all hard, right, it'll come back.

1172
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 4: I'm hard come back.

1173
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 3: I want to be we gotta and and uh. And

1174
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: it's also would be nice to hang in person at

1175
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 3: some point.

1176
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 6: Yes, reunion great.

1177
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 8: I want to come to the Pakawa's family event.

1178
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: You have to come giving It's fun.

1179
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 3: It's a little crazy fun, just less less partying.

1180
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, sometimes the sober people are the craziest of all.

1181
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that's true.

1182
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 7: I'm there, exactly appreciate, thank you so much, thank you cool, fun,

1183
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 7: so great.

1184
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: And and that whole crew like Blake Mill, like Blake

1185
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: is great, Blake is so talented, and yeah

1186
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 4: All right, love you, love you,