1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: A production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 4: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan. 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 5: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 5: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 5: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 5: you to know. This is part two of our Epstein 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five updates. So folks, if you are just 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 5: hearing this, please please please do yourself a favor. Pause, 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 5: stop the tape, rewind to part one and listen through. 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 5: Promise this will make a lot more sense. And we 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 5: haven't futzed with the original recording. 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: Pay no attention to that missing forty five seconds in there. 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 4: Nothing to see. 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Just do us a favor, take 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: a screen capture of all of this, and then at 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: some point stitch two of those together and then just 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: release it to the public. 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 5: And even better, make a book where you write weirdly 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 5: cryptic notes to all of us. Tune in for our 24 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 5: Epstein update Saga continuing as we speak in media arrests. 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 5: Let's dive in enter Galaine Maxwell. So this all the 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 5: stuff we're talking about, these crazy statements, or by crazy 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 5: we mean self contradictory statements, This public distrust of those statements, 28 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 5: as well as institutions, artifact like the tape, or various 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 5: documents that have or have not been messed with. All 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 5: this is happening as the story of Glain Maxwell unfolds. 31 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 5: And as we mentioned, she was longtime close partner of Epstein's. 32 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 5: She is provably aided in his heinous crimes. She was. 33 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 5: Let's see, she was convicted in December of twenty twenty one, 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 5: sentenced to twenty years of incarceration, and ever since then, 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 5: her legal team has been fighting to either mitigate her 36 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 5: sentence or just maybe, as we all heard, secure a 37 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 5: presidential pardon. Yuck. 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: Sorry, Yeah, the fact that that's even on the table is. 39 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 5: Bizarre, right, right, And there's been a lot of I 40 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 5: feel like there's been more reporting about presidential pardons now 41 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 5: than we typically see at this point in any presidential administration, 42 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 5: because usually you'll see a rath the pardons sail out 43 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 5: right at the end of a presidential administration. Right, it's 44 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 5: like my last week is potus, let me pardon or 45 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 5: commute the sentences of as many people as I like, 46 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 5: right because now there aren't going to be campaign consequences 47 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 5: for me. So it feels a little bit unusual to 48 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 5: see so much visible news about the possibility of pardons 49 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 5: this early in an administration. Ghalaide Maxwell had been repeatedly 50 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 5: denied bail because honestly, this is a super sketchy individual. 51 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 5: The finances are so obscure, you guys, She's okay at hiding, 52 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 5: though I think people are making more of that than 53 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 5: they should. She did some not smart things when she 54 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 5: was trying to escape the law, and she was hiding 55 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 5: with some former British military as security guards. But did 56 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 5: you guys hear about how she attempted to her phone 57 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 5: with tinfoil? 58 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't have a set on how that doesn't 59 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: work super well. 60 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah. 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: The latest things coming out about her that she and 62 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: her attorneys are trying to do is to lean on 63 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: this this deal that Epstein made, right, or the deal 64 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: that was made with Epstein. Let's say that stated that 65 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 3: they couldn't prosecute anybody else there was any of Epstein's 66 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: associates like they was a deal that said you cannot 67 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: do that, and now she's trying. She and her attorneys 68 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: are trying to use that as leverage to get out 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: of everything. 70 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 5: Which the attorneys should right because this is happening with 71 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 5: a this kind of a spaghetti the wall approach for 72 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 5: some of the legal proceedings. 73 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: Well, that's just a reminder to say that some a 74 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: lot of people were being protected by the Justice Department 75 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: when they made that deal with Epstein. 76 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 5: The first time, right when they set that precedent. Yeah, agreed. 77 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 5: If we back up, one of the big reasons that 78 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 5: Gilai Maxwell was always denied bail once apprehended is because 79 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 5: authorities are worried that she might pull up Polanski if 80 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: she makes it to France. France will not extradite. And 81 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 5: when I said plan skin, I'm meaning Roman Polansky, the 82 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 5: disgraced filmmaker. 83 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, I made some bangers, but not a great guy, 84 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: it would seem. No. 85 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 5: In the wake of all these new revelations, this growing tension, 86 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: and some really bizarre statements from the US government and 87 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 5: the president himself, Gilain Maxwell's legal team trebled their efforts 88 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 5: to get a deal and started making progress. But before 89 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 5: we go into that, why don't we talk about some 90 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 5: of those statements, not just you know, not just recent 91 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 5: statements in press conferences, not just the oh my gosh 92 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 5: where he's still talking about Epstein's stuff, but also discovered 93 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 5: statements writing from the past. I'm thinking particularly about the 94 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 5: the book that Maxwell had made for Jeffrey Epstein's birthday, 95 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 5: birthday book, the Birthday Book wherein now President the current 96 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 5: president denies this. But the story is that in that 97 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 5: book there is a drawing of a nude woman with 98 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 5: the autograph of the president where the pubic hair would be, 99 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: and then a message contained within the silhouette the drawing 100 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 5: of the woman that is just severely creepy. And we 101 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 5: can actually go ahead and read this message if we 102 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 5: haven't read it on air in full. 103 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 4: Was it it may make each day? May each day 104 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: be another delicious secret? Or it's something like that. 105 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 5: Okay, this is this is pretty nuts. We're just going 106 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 5: to do it as a straight view. But it's a dialogue, 107 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 5: and this is one of many messages in the book. Voiceover, 108 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 5: there must be more to life than having everything. The 109 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 5: note began, Donald, Yes there is, but I won't tell 110 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 5: you what it is, Jeffrey, nor will I, since I 111 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 5: also know what it is. Donald. We have certain things 112 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 5: in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, Yes, we do, come to think 113 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 5: of it, Donald, Enigma's never age. Have you noticed that, Jeffrey. 114 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, it was clear to me 115 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 5: the last time I saw you. And this is where 116 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 5: we get to the very creepy part that Noel you 117 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 5: mentioned here. I'm laughing out of being uncomfortable. By the way, 118 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: Trump a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and 119 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 5: may every day be another wonderful secret. 120 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeh, yeh, yeh talking about how enigmas never age. 121 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 5: Oh right, have you noticed that? And this was first 122 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 5: revealed by a journalists at the Wall Street Journal, and 123 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 5: when asked about this, the President denied having ever done 124 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 5: this and specifically said, I never wrote a picture in my. 125 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: Life, no picture. But we know that he does. He 126 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 4: loves big, big, chunky markers. He often draws on diagrams 127 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 4: and things in public settings, and it's a thing that 128 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: he's done. You can unearth easily any number of little 129 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: doodles that he's done over the years. And the Wall 130 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 4: Street Journal, by the way, owned by Rupert Murdoch. 131 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: Yes, Fox fame, and they're beefed up right now. Artial context. Well, 132 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 5: if it takes too long in the courts, then mister 133 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 5: Murdoch may not be alive to see it, because he 134 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 5: is well into his nineties at this point. We do 135 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 5: know also, yes, to be fair, people when speaking extemporaneously 136 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 5: can misspeak. They might get something factually incorrect, you know, 137 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 5: they might misremember something they or misstated. But this explicit 138 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 5: denial seems pretty pretty past that threshold of error. And 139 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 5: there are many, many more people in the book because 140 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: Glene Maxwell had asked a lot of Epstein associates to 141 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 5: contribute to this. It's like a scrapbook of fan mail. 142 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 4: And there's like a manifest practically, isn't there like a 143 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 4: bibliography or a table of contents that's also floating around 144 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: out there with other names. And Trump is most assuredly 145 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: on that. 146 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: Dershowitz is in one. There are a lot of politicians, 147 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 5: or Dershowitz wrote one, I should say there are a 148 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: lot of other politicians, titans of industry types. Yeah. 149 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. On August fifth, the New York Times published a 150 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: huge troph and it includes personal messages from people like 151 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: Woody Allen, as well as the former Prime Minister of 152 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: Israel at hud Barak and his wife about how there's 153 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: no limit to your curiosity. They stated, you are like 154 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: a closed book to men, any of them, but you 155 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: know everything about everyone. And they described him as a 156 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: collector of people. They said, may you enjoy long and 157 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 3: healthy life, and may all of us your friends enjoy 158 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,119 Speaker 3: your table for many more years to come. Noam Chomsky 159 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: was hanging out with him. Yeah, like no other billionaire 160 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: moguls like Mortimer Zuckerman, Lawrence M. 161 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 5: Krause. 162 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: We're telling people from MIT, people who headed MIT, people 163 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 3: who headed Harvard, like Martin Noa. It's like, it's insane 164 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: the number of people that wrote in this twenty sixteen 165 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: sixty third birthday thing, and just. 166 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 5: As about me five. 167 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: Exactly. And just to say, y'all, I mean Rupert Murdoch 168 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 4: being I guess you know, obviously this guy who wants 169 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: to make money overall, but you know, has historically been 170 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 4: a bit of a Trump booster, at least in terms 171 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 4: of his big properties, being so behind Trump and all 172 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: his political activities. Do you really think he would thumbs 173 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 4: up the release of a thing like that if it 174 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: hadn't been vetted six ways to Sunday. 175 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: No. 176 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 5: I think that's why the administration assigned beat Me or 177 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 5: Dylon a ton of FBI operators to scour documents for 178 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 5: any mention of Trump, of the like the literal word 179 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 5: trump before they're released to the public. I also want 180 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 5: to share, just to get a bigger sense of this, folks, 181 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 5: I want to share one of the poems in the 182 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 5: book from Leon Black, a billionaire of note this wait. 183 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: Leon Black from Curb Your Enthusiasm. No, sorry, that's his 184 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 4: literal name in the show. 185 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 5: That's really funny. Sorry, that's good. No, not that Leon Black. 186 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 5: Differently on Black, billionaire who wrote a poem for Epstein 187 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 5: on his birthday that said, the following blonde, red or 188 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 5: brunette spread out geographically with this net of fish. Jeff's 189 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 5: now the old man and the sea dude even more 190 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 5: on the nose, on the noise and on the nose. 191 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Woody Allen on the twenty sixteen one. So 192 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: they're two. Just everybody is aware. There's a two thousand 193 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 3: and three fiftieth birthday card that is the Trump one, 194 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: and then there's twenty sixteen sixty third birthday. Wait there, 195 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: I say that twice their fiftieth and sixty third birthdays. 196 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: But Woody Allen in the sixty third birthday one I'm 197 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: gonna read directly from some reporting out of The Guardian 198 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: by Anna Betts. This was published on August fifth. This 199 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: is from Woody Allen. He notes that the parties included 200 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,479 Speaker 3: quote politicians, scientists, teachers, magicians, comedians, intellectuals, journalists, and even royalty. 201 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: And he describes the dinners as quote well served. And 202 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: then he goes on He says, I say well served. 203 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: Often it's by some professional houseman, and just as often 204 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: by several young women who remind him of Castle Dracula, 205 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: where Agosi has three young female vampires who service the place. 206 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: That's not the only thing they're servicing. 207 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, and there are a lot of messages that I 208 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 5: don't know. I think the poem especially, and the statement 209 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 5: that Trump denies writing, along with several others, they're past 210 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 5: the point of reading Tea leaves right, They're past the 211 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: point of confirmation bias. Just to be clear, there are 212 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 5: other things in there that seem like they're just saying 213 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 5: happy birthday to some powerful guy. 214 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: For sure, I mean, he's he's just got a framed 215 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: dollar bill that's signed by Bill Gates with a message 216 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: I was wrong. What's that about Bill. 217 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 4: Paying back on a bed or something like that. I 218 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 4: don't know. There's a lot of smoke y'all. 219 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so we I wanted to mention these things, 220 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:01,479 Speaker 5: also in step with again more bizarre statements or denials 221 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 5: from the President that sometimes to critics look like guilty 222 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 5: dog Bark's first kind of situations. All of this occurring 223 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 5: while the Maxwell team is attempting to negotiate a better deal, 224 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 5: whether that be a mitigation of a sentence or dismissal 225 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 5: or pardon entirely, they are making progress. On July twenty 226 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 5: third of this year, Maxwell was subpoena to testify to 227 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 5: Congress under oath about her involvement with Epstein. Her legal 228 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 5: team demanded full immunity from any additional prosecution for doing so. 229 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: Epstein is dead. What is the deal? Who does this 230 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 4: benefit in terms of the the the justice of it all? 231 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: Because the like you get a community deal because you 232 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: do you turn other people in, or you get like, 233 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: you know, you help with the outcome of a case. 234 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I just don't understand what she has to 235 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: offer that benefits anybody but bad people who don't want 236 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: the light to be shown on them. 237 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 5: That's the thing. No, if they if Congress subpoenaed her 238 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 5: successfully and she responded under oath to questions about possible 239 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 5: Trump involvement with Epstein, then the target would become Donald 240 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 5: Trump for the congressional investigation. That's the that's the that's 241 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 5: the concerner. That's the hypothetical chess game people are playing 242 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 5: out in their heads. 243 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: Well, it's because the pieces are falling together here, guys. 244 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: The weird statements coming out from Trump connect things together 245 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: that shouldn't be connected together. We just talked on strange 246 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: News about Virginia Jeoffrey who died allegedly by suicide in 247 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: April and spaw employee spa employee at Mara a Lago. Yes, 248 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: spat employee at Mara a Lago that. 249 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 4: Was stolen quote unquote yes, yes. 250 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: And you have a sitting president who says I have 251 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: the best spat uh. And by the way, she had 252 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: no complaints about us whatsoever. Talking directly about Virginia Jeoffrey, 253 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: a person who was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein, who 254 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: just died in April. 255 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 4: No empathy, no statements being you know, a heart going 256 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: out to the family, all just you know, I'm I 257 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: didn't know wrong, I'm innocent. 258 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: If this was a true investigation, there is a direct 259 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: connection from mar A Lago to the island that Jeffrey 260 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: Epstein was doing a lot of stuff on, to the 261 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: properties that he was doing this stuff on with people 262 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: who were workers of spas to Dan. 263 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: And they were down the street by the way Epstein 264 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 5: and mar A Lago. 265 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: Yep So, I mean, that's why this won't go away. 266 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: That's why all this is happening, because it's if you're 267 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: we're all kind of having to be investigators, just as 268 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: the public watching this go down. 269 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 4: There's a version of this with the mar A Lago spies. 270 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 5: A pipeline most certainly is hold the phone, folks, mysterious 271 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 5: phone called jokes aside. We'll take a word from our 272 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 5: sponsor and we'll be right back and we've returned. Okay. 273 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 5: So going back to the excellent question you had there 274 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 5: and all about like quibono, who does it benefit who 275 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 5: does it harm? The reason the reason Maxwell would logically 276 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 5: demand immunity from any additional prosecution is a safeguard mechanism, really, 277 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 5: and there's something interesting that occurred immediately after, and I 278 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 5: want to make sure we don't lose this. So this 279 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 5: is the point we're getting at. It's July twenty third, 280 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 5: when that subpoena occurs. The US attorney Todd Blanche interviews 281 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 5: Maxwell pretty much immediately privately the next day, July twenty 282 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 5: fourth and July twenty fifth, Like that is one of 283 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 5: the fastest movements of sicking, you know, sick in the 284 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 5: hound dogs that we've seen in a while. 285 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: And no conflict adventures there, right, I. 286 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 5: Mean, yeah, no, just because Todd happened to work closely. 287 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 5: He was in the neighborhood and with right with with 288 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 5: the current president before he was the president, and then 289 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 5: he got appointed, probably due to his loyalty to the 290 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 5: current administration. And then yeah, this guy just happened to 291 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 5: have those days free, right, still pop in? Yeah, right, 292 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 5: just to check it. We don't know the substance of 293 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 5: the interview, by the way, We don't know what they discussed, 294 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 5: but they talked for a while, and we do know 295 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 5: that as a result, very likely as a result of 296 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 5: whatever the substance of their conversation, was Gleigh. Maxwell was 297 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 5: transferred on August first from FCI Tallahassee. That's where she 298 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 5: was being held, to a posh minimum security facility named 299 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 5: the Brian Federal Prison Camp. This is comparatively cushy, you know. 300 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 5: When you look at the rest of the US justice 301 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: system or incarceration system, this would be called club med 302 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 5: or club fed in some circles. It is commonly regarded 303 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 5: as at one of the absolute best federal prisons, and 304 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 5: there is no legal precedent for Maxwell getting shipped over there, 305 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 5: especially as a convicted sex offender. 306 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: I think it goes without saying that none of this 307 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: is like political mudslinging in any way, shape or form. 308 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 4: This stuff is just like it's the very nature of 309 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 4: the concept of conspiracy and conspiracy theories all aligning in 310 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 4: this like perfect storm, and there's no two ways about it. 311 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 4: It's happening before our very eyes. I just think I 312 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 4: don't mean to be labor that point, but I just 313 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 4: do think it maybe bears repeating. 314 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, like the White Stripe said, it's also quickly, like 315 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 5: the White Stripe said, we're hitting on facts here, folks, 316 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 5: even though this is the here's where it gets crazy part. 317 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 5: Of our episodes. This is historically unusual, unprecedented for an 318 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 5: offender like Maxwell to be moved to the Brian Federal 319 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 5: prison camp. And when when the administration was asked about 320 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 5: this transfer and how unusual it was, they said there 321 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 5: was no preferential treatment involved. This is a routine occurrence. 322 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 5: It is, by the way, not this. 323 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: Is None of this is routine. You don't do an 324 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: interview like that. 325 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: Revisiting after the fact, right this person's been convicted. There's 326 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: no what's the point, sorry, Matt, I'm so set. 327 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: It's just that there's too many things to remark on 328 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 3: the fact that there were no other law enforcement officials 329 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: or Justice Department officials there when this interview was going 330 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: down between somebody who used to personally represent the president 331 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 3: and a person who is going to be a cooperating witness. 332 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: You have nobody else in the room. 333 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 5: That's insane, And what's in the box when we walk 334 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 5: out like this is where we find another set of 335 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 5: questions and agreed in saying, first, what does Maxwell know, 336 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 5: As we talked about in our earlier Epstein series, does 337 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 5: she possibly have a dead man switch? A dead man 338 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 5: switch in this situation would be some kind of arrangement, 339 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 5: or think of it as an insurance policy saying I 340 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 5: will release damning evidence to the press, to investigators who 341 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 5: are not compromised as human, and to lawyers if things 342 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: don't go by way, or if I die. That's what 343 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 5: we were wondering whether Jeffrey Epstein himself had Also will 344 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 5: there be a possibility of a pardon, a commutation, something 345 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: even more extreme than relocating to a nicer facility. A 346 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 5: lot of analysts say this would be political suicide for 347 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 5: politicians or officials involved, and there's some validity in claiming that. 348 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 5: But then it gets to the third thing that a 349 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 5: lot of people aren't really talking about in mainstream media coverage, 350 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 5: and that's the allegations of Maxwell and Epstein being somehow 351 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 5: involved with intelligence operations, you know, and a lot of 352 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: the a lot of the red stream there draws back 353 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 5: to Galam Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, newspaper tycoon, fraudster, politician. 354 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: Isn't their connection with Israeli intelligence? That's a big one, right, Yeah, 355 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: with Robert Maxwell for sure. Yes, his own death remains mysterious. 356 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 5: By the way, I don't know what do you guys 357 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 5: think about We talked about this previously. I don't want 358 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 5: to necessarily re litigate it, but what do we think? 359 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 5: I'm interested in your opinions on whether there's any sands 360 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 5: to the intelligence operation allegations here. 361 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 4: I'm curious to know what that would look like like. 362 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: This is this honey pot type operation stuff flake? What 363 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: are we talking here? 364 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: I think guys, in our previous conversations, we pretty much proved, 365 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: at least you know, from a common sense perspective that 366 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 3: this type of activity where there's clearly illegal activity occurring. 367 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: You know, just the fact that there are underage women 368 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 3: there who have already come forward. Right, there's illegal activity happening. 369 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 3: To implicate any one of these powerful people in any 370 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: way connected to that activity would be to have a 371 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: little bit of control over them. 372 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 4: Right. 373 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: What is compromat for? To make sure the people that 374 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: you have compromat on do that you want them to do. 375 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeh. 376 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 3: And this I think it is one hundred percent comp 377 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: This is my opinion, one hundred percent of compromat operation. 378 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 4: It was it. 379 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: I think that Epstein and Maxwell were controlled or handled 380 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: by someone or some group, and that what they did 381 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 3: is they collected all of these people. They're literally a 382 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 3: quote collector of people, and they would get dirt on 383 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 3: them and then hold it. And then any time one 384 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: of these people was going to get out of line, 385 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: you could pull that up and say, or just remind them, 386 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 3: just with a little wink in a nod, Hey remember 387 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: that time we spent a little Saint James. Oh yeah, 388 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: Now you've got them under control. 389 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: And that speaks to the dead man's switch. Yes, yes, 390 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: like that's the the unloading of choice members of that collective. 391 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: Well, and it's also imagine I imagine someone reminding them 392 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: by leaking stuff to you know, these outlets. 393 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 4: And somebody's got to take the fall in the public 394 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 4: eye of all of this. We need a body behind 395 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: bars who was tied to it. Epstein's now dead. We 396 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 4: got to keep her happy to some degree. 397 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 5: Or we need a distraction. Yeah. I'm very much on 398 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 5: the same page with you guys. Opinions. Is it okay 399 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 5: if I give mine as well? Yeah? Think all right, 400 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 5: So I think that's here's what I think. Uh So, 401 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 5: I think in line with that with Dove telling, Yeah, 402 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 5: in the research we're seeing, we're seeing definitely this this 403 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: similar pattern. It's not just the idea of compromat and blackmail. 404 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 5: It's also the idea of paying for access into the 405 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 5: inner circle, committing an act so that you do have 406 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 5: this compromise on me, right, And I think I think 407 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 5: it occurs also in the realm of financial stuff. The 408 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 5: sexual abuse is horrific and unclean and will always grab 409 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 5: headlines no matter what the alleged perpetrators tried to do 410 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 5: to stop that. 411 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: But there's some dirty deals on the books as well. 412 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 5: Fan Yeah, again al Capone and tax evasion. You know 413 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 5: what I mean, because Capone did a couple of other 414 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 5: things as well, but tax evasion was what he got 415 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 5: nailed on. So the idea here is goes into something 416 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 5: that doesn't get talked about as much, which is financial 417 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 5: compromise and control perhaps occurring in step with this. It 418 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: all adds up, right, It's it's bigger than hip hop. 419 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: As dead Press was wont to say, I don't know, 420 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 5: it's it's intensely unclear what's going to happen next. With 421 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 5: Galay Maxwell, I appreciate that point, all about the possibility 422 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 5: of a fall guy, someone to sew up the news 423 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 5: story so the public can wipe their hands of it 424 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 5: and move on to the next thing. But we also 425 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 5: we also know that could be another distraction, you know, 426 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 5: the way. 427 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 4: They can pardon her. It just it collapsed, I mean, 428 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: if they did, the amount of dirt or whatever. I mean, 429 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 4: the weighing of those options, it just seems like political 430 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 4: suicide given what's going on, to pardon this person. 431 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: But who honestly, right now where we sit on today, Monday, 432 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: August eleventh, who is going to do anything about it 433 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: if they pardon her? Who could do anything when he's 434 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: a lame. 435 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 4: Duck president, So there is no political political suicide isn't 436 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 4: even in the picture. 437 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 5: Ill yeah, in the current structure of the US government, 438 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 5: which might also be up for debate. 439 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 4: Which might be twisted your haimbers, right, Ben. 440 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 3: But if she gets pardoned, guess where she's head and France. So, 441 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 3: like you know, it's one of those things. I fear 442 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: that it's one of those things where because there are 443 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: so many people in charge right now that are attached 444 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: to this thing, so many powerful people that still live 445 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 3: who are attached to this thing. She will get pardoned, 446 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: or she will she won't be living for much longer, 447 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 3: and that'll just be done, and they'll try and put 448 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: it to bed again. 449 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 5: And then Also, if we exercise some game theory from 450 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 5: the Maxwell legal perspective, there may be certain public signals 451 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 5: you have to send. But there may also be, especially 452 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 5: now that we've relocated to the Posh prison camp, there 453 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 5: may be a reason to slow foot some of this 454 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 5: stuff because want a sustainable situation was to survive, right, 455 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: And in this case, if even a fraction of the 456 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 5: stuff that we are pretty convinced is true is true, then, folks, 457 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 5: fellow conspiracy realist, Maxwell is only alive so long as 458 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 5: there is a use to that individual. And if there's 459 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 5: some information provided that makes that individual no longer useful, 460 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 5: then anything can happen, you know what I mean? Their 461 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 5: third story windows all throughout the country, so and even 462 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 5: in France, right, I think that's that's the scary thing. 463 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 5: We're talking about, a very long reach here you can 464 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 5: get touched, and its past extradition. 465 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, getting touched in this context. 466 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 5: I didn't even think about that. 467 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 4: Ye think, it's just where my head's at. It's it's 468 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 4: twisted stuff. 469 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 3: And before we move on, let's take a word from 470 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: our sponsor and we'll be right back. And where you're back, 471 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: I want to bring up the phone call one more time, 472 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: just because I think it's super important to everything that occurred, 473 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: and I think it speaks to everything we're talking about 474 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: right now. That weird thing where one of the last 475 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 3: actions that Jeffrey Epstein took is that he was going 476 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: he needed to make a phone call, and he was 477 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: allowed to make an unmonitored call from a shower area 478 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: using a phone line that was intended only for attorney communications. 479 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: So attorney client privileged stuff, right. Nobody gets to listen 480 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: to this conversation, according to the LA. Yes, according to 481 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: the official report, the unit manager there in the Department 482 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: of Corrections, the senior officer in charge, made this thing 483 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: happen for Epstein. Epstein said he wanted to call his mother. 484 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: His mother died in two thousand and three, you guys, 485 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: this is twenty nineteen. He said he needed to call 486 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: his mother. So the unit manager dial a New York 487 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 3: City area code. A man answered, and then he handed 488 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: this phone to Jeffrey Epstein. The unit manager left Jeffrey 489 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: Epstein alone in the shower area. Jeff talked to whoever 490 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 3: this person was, and then later the unit manager had 491 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: to call the corrections officer Noel, her last name's TVA 492 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 3: Noel is her name, called that person and said, hey, 493 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: I need to get that phone back. But whatever, Like 494 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: anything could have been said on that phone call, right, 495 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 3: but that is one of those crazy things that was 496 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: allowed to happen, and it was one of the last 497 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 3: actions that he took. When I'm thinking about things like 498 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: a dead hand switch and things like that, I just 499 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 3: imagined that that phone call probably had way more significance 500 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: than we'll ever know. 501 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 5: And that reminds me also of the the two day 502 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 5: interview process that delayed Maxwell encountered that we just mentioned. 503 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 5: Because started looking into Maxwell, who could be an episode 504 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 5: all her own, we've uncovered a lot more questions about 505 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 5: her careers as socialite. Her philanthropy of particular interest is 506 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 5: something called the Tara Marr Project, something she co created 507 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 5: NGO focused on protecting the oceans. Sounds pretty innocuous. She 508 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 5: gave a ted X talk on this, I think in 509 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 5: twenty fourteen. She attended the United Nations a couple times 510 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 5: to talk about this. The concern public isn't asking too 511 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 5: many questions about our philanthropic ties just yet, but I 512 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 5: believe the concerned public should. Yeah. Instead, they're wondering whether 513 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 5: she has access to this client list. 514 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 3: Well, it's a good way to get her in a 515 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: room with a lot of important people, right, do a 516 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: ted talk, Go to the United Nations those there are 517 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 3: more folks to get. 518 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 4: On the list. 519 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and we've we've got to mention this list. So 520 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 5: it's the term the list has become shorthand, right for 521 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 5: an alleged list of clients participating in the sexual abuse ring. 522 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 5: It is different, point Old made earlier, from the record 523 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 5: of folks who just flew on the plane. It's different 524 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 5: from the list of clients who purely worked with him 525 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 5: for financial dealings. It is completely possible, for instance, that 526 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 5: someone did, like let's say I'm a Russian oligarch and 527 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 5: I work with Epstein purely to launder money, but I'm 528 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 5: not involved with the sex stuff, so that oligarch would 529 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 5: still be a criminal, but just a different genre of criminal. 530 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 4: And maybe to be Devil's advocate. That term the list, 531 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 4: or this idea of this amorphous thing, it has become 532 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 4: a little bit of a shorthand, even in the way 533 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: that Pambondi is getting railed for, you know, acknowledging the 534 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 4: existence of such a list. It's on my desk, quote 535 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 4: unquote and then turning around and saying that no such 536 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 4: list exists, because the walking back of that was, oh no, 537 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 4: I was just referring to the general documentation surrounding the 538 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 4: case rather than the list. 539 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, turning into a buzzword, into a thought terminating cliche. 540 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 5: They're trying to make the list be a thing that 541 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 5: can be dismissed. Accidental rhyme there. But the idea is 542 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 5: it's a registry with details of people, places, times, dates, 543 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 5: and their participation in abuse. In particular, a lot of 544 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 5: people have already been proven to associated with Epstein to 545 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 5: one degree or another, and many of those named have 546 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 5: not been proven to be members of the inner circle 547 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 5: of abuse. Instead, it's more a case of powerful people 548 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 5: knowing other powerful people. But there are notable cases of 549 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 5: alleged abuse associated with Epstein dating back years and years. 550 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 5: I'd say the most well known right now, the one 551 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 5: that everybody agrees is guilty, would be Prince Andrew from 552 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 5: the Tribal rulers of the United Kingdom. 553 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was named by Virginia Joffrey and several others. 554 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 5: And he doesn't sweat, but he sweat. 555 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, so we know some 556 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: people don't drop pictures, some people don't sweat. You know 557 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 3: how it goes, Guys, it's just weird stuff. 558 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 4: Doesn't have he was born without sweat glands. Yeah, everybody knows. 559 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: This because when I think about the list, I think 560 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: about the security cameras that are known to have been 561 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: in the residences of Jeffrey Epstein. In all of them, 562 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 3: he had a lot of security cameras, and you know 563 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 3: what he probably did. He probably recorded a lot of 564 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 3: that footage on those security cameras. When I imagine the list, 565 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 3: I imagine people who went in to certain rooms and 566 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 3: then came out of certain rooms with certain people, and 567 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: I imagine that being officially the list. 568 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 4: It's not video of what went down in the rooms themselves. 569 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 4: Pervy type dudes like that. You know, he's got cameras everywhere. 570 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: I just have no. 571 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 5: Doubt, one hundred percent. I'm thinking, well, we know he 572 00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 5: had heavily surveilled the interiors of his residencies. That's exactly 573 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 5: what I'm talking about with the idea that all this, 574 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 5: all this hardware disappeared each time the authorities investigated. Just 575 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 5: it's gone, and there had to be there had to 576 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 5: be stuff on there. There have been also some pieces 577 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 5: of video footage emerging that are intensely troubling and obviously 578 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 5: weren't talking about people being on a list or you know, 579 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 5: a blackmail registry of compromised folks, the one everybody in 580 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 5: the US is wondering about. As the President of the 581 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 5: United States, Donald Trump perhaps most famous as being the 582 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 5: guy who is briefly in home alone too. 583 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, he helped. He helped little Kevin find the lobby. 584 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 5: This is the heart of the matter, right because, as 585 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 5: we said, the current administration championed the idea of finally 586 00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 5: exposing powerful, invidious criminals, draining the swap, clearing up out 587 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 5: the shady backroom politics, the wasteful spending. They said, were 588 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 5: also going to expose the truth about this possible cover up. 589 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 5: But it does, Yeah, but it does. It doesn't appear. 590 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 5: It's it's okay, it's it's gonna be really tasteful. God, 591 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 5: look up a picture of it. Look up the look 592 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 5: up the gold toilets as well. I would say that 593 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 5: we had Look, regardless how you feel, folks, the Make 594 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 5: America Great Again movement in its heyday had this enormous 595 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 5: support and enormous momentum. The lot of the support for 596 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 5: investigating the Epstein stuff came from came from decision makers 597 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 5: and influencers in the mag of movement, and was tied 598 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 5: to the context of Pizzagate, the belief that a secret 599 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 5: kabul of very powerful people were involved in a separate 600 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 5: sexual abuse and trafficking ring. 601 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was all Democrats and. 602 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 5: It happened to all be Democrats. Right at this point, now, 603 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 5: the once ardent support for the current presidential administration is 604 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 5: waning in that sphere because a lot of former and 605 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 5: current supporters, some of whom are deeply identified with the 606 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 5: MAGA movement, some who are simply more conservative leaning people. 607 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 5: They're questioning that. Even if they weren't originally questioning the 608 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 5: Epstein investigation, now they're questioning the weird signals the administration 609 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 5: is sending out about it, you know. But the president 610 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 5: himself is saying, we don't talk about this, talk about 611 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 5: this other thing. We're going to release this uff. Oh, 612 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 5: we're not going to release it. Oh, Jeffrey and I 613 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 5: were good friends. Oh, I didn't know him that well. 614 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 5: It turns out he was never that big at life 615 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 5: or whatever that quote was remember that one. 616 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, guys, it's really making me. All of this 617 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 3: is making me feel really really bad for Dan Bongino, 618 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 3: because that's that's one of these dudes who felt all 619 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 3: of these things, push for all these things, finally finds 620 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 3: himself in this position and he's it seems to me 621 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 3: like he's having to work around whatever roadblocks are getting 622 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 3: put in his way, and he has to just pretend 623 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 3: like this is what it is and everything's okay, and 624 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 3: everything's fine, don't look over here. But that dude was 625 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 3: one pushing for all of this stuff. I don't know 626 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 3: that it makes it genuinely makes me feel bad for 627 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 3: that guy. 628 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, And if anything, there's a parable we see in 629 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 5: this in this regard or a takeaway telling people there's 630 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 5: nothing to see here rarely does anything other than inspire deeper, 631 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 5: more frenzied investigation. This leads us to the following note. 632 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 5: You know, nothing exists in a vacuum. Whatever we may 633 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 5: personally believe, the official statements coming from the US government 634 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 5: hold a pattern of contradiction, sometimes between their own sources 635 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 5: and agencies. 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