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Speaker 1: This the one Bill's Live presented by Calida helped.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Chris brown steed to ask you with you here on

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Speaker 3: this Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: That's nice, nice scores if you got on it like this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do. Actually, I'm a little kind of the baby

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Speaker 2: Up one of the newer ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just looked. I saw us on the monitor

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Speaker 1: here on TV. Now, I thought, wow, look at here.

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Speaker 1: That's I've been.

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Speaker 2: Sitting with you all morning, sitting next we had lunch together.

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Speaker 1: I saw you from a like, wow, what a good

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Speaker 1: looking quarter zip. Okay, all right, thank you, Sorry about that.

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Speaker 2: Your platitudes are welcome.

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe how that struck me when I looked

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Speaker 1: up and saw us on TV and I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: look at Brownie's quarter zip that.

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Speaker 2: I've been we have a we have a monitor, but

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Speaker 2: I've been mining.

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Speaker 1: Next to all morning and just now noticed, well, I apologize, Yes, that's.

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Speaker 2: Just your laser focus ready for your show.

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Speaker 1: That I was watching the Bills Jacksonville from week three

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Speaker 1: of the regular season this year. I do that.

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Speaker 2: And Steve has officially entered off season.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we know this happens when he starts watching games

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Speaker 3: from the previous.

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Speaker 1: I go back and watch a condensed version of these

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Speaker 1: games and so I can keep you know, a finger

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Speaker 1: on the pulse of how it went, you know, all

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Speaker 1: last year, keep like who was playing well, who did

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Speaker 1: it and the personal kind of keep that fresh in

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Speaker 1: my mind for the show. And it's amazing you go

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Speaker 1: back into the first month of the season, how different

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Speaker 1: everything is. Marquez Valdus Scantling was on the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve goes, who the heck is fifteen? Don't know

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Speaker 3: who that was playing receiver. He's got a hyphenated name.

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Speaker 3: And I had to think for a second. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: I was like a lifetime ago. And then he's like,

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Speaker 3: who's fifty five?

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my guy, Specter's playing. I like

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Speaker 1: he didn't even you know, he was injured almost the

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Speaker 1: entire year, but no, he was in Week four. He

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Speaker 1: was in the game because some of so man, oh man,

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Speaker 1: I think the evolution of the team through eight eighteen

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Speaker 1: weeks of the regular season. And this is the game

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Speaker 1: where Coleman caught his first touchdown and passed as a

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Speaker 1: you know, as a bill and it was a Monday

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Speaker 1: night game. There was a doubleheader. Monday night game is

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Speaker 1: Washington at Cincinnati and the Bills playing Jacksonville in Orchard Park,

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Speaker 1: and the Bills were just absolutely humming.

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville decided to play man to man defense the entire game,

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Speaker 3: and Buffalo's passing game just carved him up.

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Speaker 1: They carved him up big time. It was three the

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Speaker 1: first three possessions all go for touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Their second highest scoring game of the year, right, because

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Speaker 3: they scored forty eight on Detroit, Yeah, and this was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they just they absolutely lumped them up. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was So that's where I started. And yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: my official signal that it's off season.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and very soon, like we're gonna blink and

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be in Indianapolis at the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 2: So we'll be.

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Speaker 3: There the entire week Monday through Friday, bringing you anything

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Speaker 2: We will be on it like white on.

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Speaker 1: Rice, absolutely crushing it over there. It's fun for us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been fun if we'd have

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Speaker 2: Championship games, we're a little down in the dump squore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this is another one. This another one

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Speaker 1: of the tent pole events for the NFL in the offseason. Well,

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Speaker 1: we go every year. Last year I couldn't make because

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Speaker 1: I had a family obligation. I was out of town.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be.

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Speaker 1: Nice to go back there. I like. Indianapolis is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, city that's beneficial, you know, especially for you know,

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Speaker 3: the nerve center of the NFL for about nine or

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Speaker 1: Got a yeah, and I got a nice cigar bard

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Speaker 1: uh I remember, Hey, you think I'm the only one. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: that's like it's like that's like a coaches convention a

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Speaker 1: couple of times. Aaron Glenn was in there last year.

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Speaker 1: all these guys are in that that it's a cigar

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Speaker 2: Well, so those two things usually go together.

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Speaker 1: It's a very it's an unusual environment. You'll you'll back

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Speaker 1: seems all the coaching stat coaches for the first time

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Speaker 1: when they're like, yeah, they're not worried about you when

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Speaker 1: can like yeah, yeah, well we're thinking that they can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're right about them letting their guard down.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is they like normal people instead of on

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the season will do that to a coach,

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Speaker 1: Way it is. Man, even when we're on pins and needles,

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Speaker 2: And needles and we road trip it like we don't

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Speaker 1: Well, I learned our lesson a couple of times that airport.

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Speaker 2: Like it boggles my mind.

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Speaker 3: Why Indie, because I've experienced it multiple times, the slightest

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Speaker 3: Half of them are canceled, and you can't get from

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Speaker 1: So we just made the command decision. We're just gonna drive.

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Speaker 3: And it's you know, it's about seven and a half

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Speaker 1: Another another symptom of the off season. Now we're starting

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Speaker 1: to talk about that combine. I started looking up and you're.

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Speaker 3: Looking at mock draft turn Nolan Yeap defensive tackle, right, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, and the other Guy Alexander Darius Arius Alexander, two

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Speaker 2: It's the soup de jure.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get into why when we go around the NFL,

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Speaker 3: but let's begin with a Bill's note here, which concerns

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Speaker 3: Buffalo's front office. NFL networks Ian Rapaport is reporting that

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Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jaguars are continuing their interview process with GM candidates.

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Speaker 3: Among those on the list is Bill's Director of player

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Speaker 3: the Tyson Titans GM job. It sounds as though some

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Speaker 3: are putting together their initial draft boards, and so GM

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking some of the guys. They you know,

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Speaker 1: I was asking one of the Bills guys. They say,

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Speaker 1: are like three hundred plus guys on their board right now?

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Speaker 3: Yea three hundred that's which is a lot, right And

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Speaker 3: Well, they'll make them priority free agents undrafted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's not like they forget who they are.

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Speaker 3: Well they do, do they because I yes, But then

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Speaker 3: they go on the board.

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Speaker 1: Positions and you know, all of that stuff, and they

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Speaker 3: Boards are vertically by round grade horizontally by position, so

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a spreadsheet to me. You're hurting.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's an Excel spreadsheet in life.

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Speaker 4: That's why.

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Speaker 1: That's why when they start taking, when the guys get

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Speaker 3: we got to move up because yes, sliding, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: the value is too good.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into all of that in short order. But

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars, as you know, already, have a head coach.

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Speaker 3: Liam Cohen, the former Bucks offensive coordinator, was hired as

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Speaker 3: land him the GM, so now they need to fill

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Speaker 3: the GM post. So they kind of did it not

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Speaker 3: terribly unconventionally, because there have been other teams that have

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Speaker 3: hired head coaches before gms.

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Speaker 2: The Jets just did it Bills with Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 3: That was extenuating circumstances because sometimes clubs do not want

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Speaker 3: the OC for Houston. So where does your to do

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Speaker 3: list start for the twenty twenty five bills? We should

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Speaker 3: also mention coming up in the second hour of the show,

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Speaker 3: we're going to catch up with NFL Network analyst and

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner.

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Speaker 2: He's going to join us here for hour number two.

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Speaker 3: So he was the guy that ziped the Microsoft tablet

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Speaker 3: to announce Josh Allen as MVP. We'll talk to him

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Speaker 3: a little bit about that, but then what he kind

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Speaker 3: of sees on the to.

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Speaker 2: Do list for the bills as well.

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Speaker 3: But we're asking you that question first, where does your

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Speaker 3: to do list start for the twenty twenty five bills?

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Speaker 3: Eight h three oh five point fifty one eight of

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Speaker 3: eight five fifty two, five fifty. Those are the numbers

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Speaker 3: to join us. If you don't have time to give

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Speaker 3: us a phone call, you can always hit us up

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Speaker 3: on the tweet sheet at one Bill's Live. So you're saying,

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Speaker 3: get cap compliant and you know, make some decisions. I

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Speaker 3: don't anticipate, Steve, that the Bills are going to have

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Speaker 3: to have as many cap casualties this offseason as they

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Speaker 3: did last offseason, but I think they still may have

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Speaker 3: to make a few because right now they're projected at

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Speaker 3: about twelve million over right, So they're going to have

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Speaker 3: to do something there. You can only restructure so much, so,

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Speaker 3: you know, and they restructured a handful of guys last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got a ton of guys that were free

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Speaker 1: that are free agents and are walking out.

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Speaker 2: The door, yat right, and they're still twelve despite that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they lost I don't know what how long the

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Speaker 1: list was he had on the whiteboard in there, but

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Speaker 1: it was it's like twelve guys.

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Speaker 2: Now it's more than that, it's about eighteen.

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Speaker 1: So they've got that many guys off a fifty three

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Speaker 1: man roster that are walking out the door, you know,

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Speaker 1: And there you have there's a list. There's the top

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Speaker 1: twelve guys. I'mari Cooper, Rasul Douglas, Austin Johnson, Mack Hollins,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Smooth, Reggie gilliam Ty Johnson, Quentin Jefferson, Jordan Phillips,

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Speaker 1: Reid Ferguson, Tommy Doyle, Damar Hamlin.

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Speaker 3: But then you got guys that were up on the

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Speaker 3: roster and then down on the practice squad, like a

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Speaker 3: Casey two Hill Kingsley Jonathan Kareem Jackson who came up

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Speaker 3: for a few games. He's also a free agent, will

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Speaker 3: clap the guy who came up from the practice squad,

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Speaker 3: the offensive lineman. So they got a bunch of extra

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Speaker 3: guys that maybe not everybody's thinking about, right, they already got,

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Speaker 3: you know, the quarterback who was playing in the preseason

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Speaker 3: for them, Shane Bouchell resigned. It's interesting that they have

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Speaker 3: four quarterbacks on the roster right now. It makes you think,

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Speaker 3: you know, if they got to make some cap room,

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Speaker 3: you know, a quarterback could be clipped. So you know,

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Speaker 3: there's no reason to have four necessarily, So if you've

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Speaker 3: got to make a money decision, maybe one of those

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Speaker 3: gets moved off the roster. But yeah, getting cap compliance

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Speaker 3: is gonna take some doing again this offseason.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: The mass exodus we witnessed last year in terms of

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Speaker 3: cap casualties. You know, Mitch Morris going out the door,

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Speaker 3: among others, White miss course, but I think there probably

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Speaker 3: will be a few. There will be a few, So

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Speaker 3: we'll see what comes to pass ultimately. But let's get

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Speaker 3: to the phones at eight oh three, oh five fifty one,

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Speaker 3: eight and eight five fifty two, five fifty the numbers

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Speaker 3: to get on board and leading us off today is

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Speaker 3: Albert in Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: What you got first, Albert? You're on one Bill's Live. Yes, Albert,

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Speaker 2: are you there?

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Speaker 1: Turn your radio down?

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Speaker 4: Albert?

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Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna put Albert on hold. He's listening

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Speaker 3: to the radio which is in delay and not in

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Speaker 3: his phone. And we'll go to Tom in Rochester next.

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Speaker 3: Let me punch him up here.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Tom?

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Speaker 6: How you guys doing today?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 6: Even though we were in the Super Bowl, I thoroughly

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Speaker 6: enjoyed that game Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get why.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, here's my thing. I know we have a salary

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Speaker 6: cap issue. It's just that I like our defensive line.

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Speaker 6: But I can never trust them creating chaos every week,

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Speaker 6: getting to the quarterback and making big plays. And I

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Speaker 6: think we need that kind of a player. And I

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Speaker 6: think we have to work it out somehow with a

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Speaker 6: salary cap or a trade or reducing people's numbers down

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Speaker 6: the road or something, but I think it's a must.

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Speaker 6: I think we need a big player that we can

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Speaker 6: count on week to.

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Speaker 3: Week, right, And that is probably the missing piece tom

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Speaker 3: So good call there, because I I think you look

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Speaker 3: at a player like Greg Russo or At Oliver and

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Speaker 3: you say they're capable of making a big play in

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Speaker 3: a big moment, and you might get that from them

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Speaker 3: in a given week, but you need a guy that

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Speaker 3: can deliver it every single week. Like you get to

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Speaker 3: crunch time and you're like, all right, our guy's going

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Speaker 3: to make a play here because he's done it so

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Speaker 3: many times before.

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Speaker 2: And that is lacking up front for the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Old It was, I think, to put it briefly, it

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Speaker 1: was just too surprising when Bill's defenders made play. You

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Speaker 1: needed to be expected instead of surprise. We just didn't

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Speaker 1: see enough to where we could expect that they were

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Speaker 1: going to make a defensive play at any point. You

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Speaker 1: were just kind of waiting and hoping they could. So

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Speaker 1: that's you're right. A game and I'll say this too,

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Speaker 1: one game wrecord is not going to do it. It

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Speaker 1: is not going to do it. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: have more than just one guy over there who defense

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Speaker 1: who offenses are saying, wow, okay, as long as we

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Speaker 1: got this guy done there.

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Speaker 2: Let Philadelphia be your guy.

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Speaker 1: You You've got to have two or three guys on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball that can absolutely wipe out

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Speaker 1: the other team's plan. And the Bills have got that offensively,

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Speaker 1: starting with the quarterback and their offensive line and they're

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Speaker 1: running back and then their slot receiver. I mean they

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Speaker 1: got some guys defensively, he'd be hard pressed to name

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Speaker 1: a guy any of them. Their trait this year that

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Speaker 1: carried them into the AFC Championship game was their ability

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Speaker 1: to punch the ball out And that's it. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: their pass rush, it wasn't anything. It was just their

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Speaker 1: ability and desire to punch the ball out of a

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Speaker 1: guy who's carrying the ball. If they didn't have that,

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Speaker 1: this team doesn't get anywhere near maybe not even the

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Speaker 1: divisional round. So yeah, I'm with you. You need a

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Speaker 1: game wrecker up front all that, but you're gonna need

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Speaker 1: more one. You're gonna need more than one if you

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Speaker 1: want to if you want to go, if you want

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Speaker 1: to have expectations like this is where we're headed, you

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Speaker 1: gotta have one. They could do it another way, but

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Speaker 1: if you want to see it, it's got to be

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Speaker 1: multiple guys up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Robert down in all the end.

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Speaker 3: What do you got first, Robert, Hi, how are you guys?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 8: In my opinion, so we need an EDG dresher. That

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Speaker 8: was obvious when last week. It's like a few days

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Speaker 8: ago with the Super Bowl when the Eagles were dominating

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Speaker 8: the trenches all game against the Chiefs. I think that

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Speaker 8: like having a dominant ed rusher training for somebody like

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Speaker 8: a Miles Garrett or an ex Crosby would be good

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Speaker 8: for the Bills because we have all the pieces that

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Speaker 8: we have on offense, but we need a good defensive

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Speaker 8: guy on the d Wyant.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I get it. It makes sense.

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Speaker 3: It's a popular opinion, Robert, so a lot of people

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Speaker 3: share it with you that.

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Speaker 2: It was funny.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching some of the coverage of the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: and on my social media feed. I see, you know,

592
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Speaker 3: it's like Dereon Dawkins trying to recruit Miles Garrett, and

593
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Speaker 3: I was like, well, that's that's all well and nice,

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Speaker 3: but Dion and Miles don't make that decision, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's it's the Cleveland Browns who would be incurring a

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Speaker 3: thirty six million dollar dead cap hit if they moved

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Speaker 3: him off their rosters. So there are ways around that,

598
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Speaker 3: as we know, but they're already a financial mess over there,

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Speaker 3: you know, with the guaranteed money they still owe to

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Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson, the money they ate by by restructuring Amari

601
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Speaker 3: Cooper's contract so he could be more easily tradable. So

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Speaker 3: they got a financial situation that they have to get

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Speaker 3: a handle on before they can even entertain moving a

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Speaker 3: player like Garrett, who I said, is going to give

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Speaker 3: him a thirty six million dollars dead cap hit as

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Speaker 3: it stands right now, not to mention the fact that

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Speaker 3: they are still publicly against trading Miles Garrett, right So.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna try and kiss and make up

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Speaker 1: with him and try and do some things this offseason

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Speaker 1: that gives him some hope that they can contend at

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Speaker 1: least for a division. But you're sitting in a division

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Speaker 1: with Lamar and the Steelers, Burrow and Joe Burrow, And

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Speaker 1: there you sit in Cleveland trying to convince a star

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Speaker 1: pass rusher that you have a chance to go from

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Speaker 1: three to fourteen to what ten and seven? Maybe squeeze in.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and they're a year removed from being in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. They made it the year before as a

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Speaker 3: wild card. But yeah, Miles Garrett is unconvinced, and in

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Speaker 3: interviews at the Super Bowl last week, he basically said,

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Speaker 3: I am not aligned with what they believe they are

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Speaker 3: in terms of franchise trajectory.

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Speaker 1: He made the statement too, and I'm paraphrasing, but I

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Speaker 1: think he said something along the lines of I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to get out. He said, I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to go whatever is necessary to make this trade

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Speaker 1: happen now, which means restructuring and or playing hardball and

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Speaker 1: just saying I'm just sitting at home. He's made one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty four million already in his career, so

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Speaker 1: he's he can need as many cheeseburgers as he wants.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna starve while he sits out.

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Speaker 3: The other option, which was mentioned by our caller, is

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby, who has a far less punitive cap hit

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Speaker 3: for the team that currently owns him, which is the

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Speaker 3: Las Vegas Raiders. They would only incur a ten million

635
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: dollar cap hit if they moved him, so that guy,

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Speaker 3: at least right now would be perceived to be more moveable.

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Speaker 2: But here's the rub there.

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Speaker 3: You got a brand new head coach in Pete Carroll,

639
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Speaker 3: and he's looking for elite players. Max Crosby is his

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Speaker 3: elite player on defense, brock Bauers probably on offense, and

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Speaker 3: they're gonna want to build from there. They want to

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Speaker 3: build around those guys, drip the roster down. So Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 3: who's also oh, by the way, seventy three years old

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Speaker 3: and doesn't want to take on a long term redevelopment

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Speaker 3: project ten year redevelopment, I don't know how willing he's

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Speaker 3: going to be to move on from Max Crosby. So

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Speaker 3: you know, the dead cap hit says he's movable. But

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Speaker 3: this does the circumstance of a brand new coaching regime

649
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: with a GM as well say that they would want

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Speaker 3: to move him. I'm not so sure. Stranger things have happened,

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Speaker 3: but we'll have to wait and see. We got to

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Speaker 3: take a break here, but when we come back, we're

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Speaker 3: wide open for more of your phone calls. So if

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Speaker 3: you're holding an eight h three oh five fifty, stay

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Speaker 3: right where we are. We will get to you when

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Speaker 3: we return. Where does your to do list start for

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five bills?

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Speaker 2: You let us know?

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Speaker 3: Next here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health,

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Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live. I'm on

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Speaker 2: a Tuesday, Chris.

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Speaker 3: Bronski tasking with you, and we're asking you, where does

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Speaker 3: your to do list start for the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: Buffalo bills Ato three zero five fifty one eight eight

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Speaker 3: five fifty two fifteen. Then I'm gonna get on board.

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Speaker 3: We go to Tom on the west side to lead

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Speaker 3: us off. What you got first?

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Speaker 5: Tom, Good afternoon, guys. Hey, I would start with either

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Speaker 5: trying to restructure von Miller or better yet, offer him

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Speaker 5: if they retires, you'll hire him as an assistant defensive

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Speaker 5: line coach. And then I saw on the internet somebody

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Speaker 5: was talking about bringing Orlasky in to be an assistant coach,

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Speaker 5: and I think that would be a great move too,

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Speaker 5: because that's not going to affect my salarycap. Now with

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Speaker 5: Von god, I would go after either either oh out yeah,

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Speaker 5: the guy on the Raiders, or Garrett.

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Speaker 2: Max Rosbian I got you.

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Speaker 5: I would love to see them on the same field

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Speaker 5: with VN. But I don't know that you can afford both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably can't.

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Speaker 5: Restructures. You're talking about saving money on the salary cap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he he already took an eight and a

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Speaker 3: half million dollar haircut last year, so I would be

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Speaker 3: surprised if he did it again. Maybe he's willing to

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Speaker 3: do it. I don't know, but yeah, having them both

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Speaker 3: on the same roster, that would be, I think a

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Speaker 3: pretty difficult thing to pull off, knowing some of the

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Speaker 3: other areas of the team they want to address as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're to exaggerate to make a point. Yeah, you'd

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Speaker 1: love to have Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, and Michael Parsons

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Speaker 1: on your team, but you can't.

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Speaker 3: He was just talking Von Miller in one of those

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Speaker 3: guys I know, and I think even that.

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Speaker 1: Would be talking. Get as many great players as you can.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you're not do what you can do. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see what that means. And I'll say this too,

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Speaker 1: the Bills are going to have some names on their

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Speaker 1: list that we don't know about that that are going

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Speaker 1: to come in and play their best football. That's the

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Speaker 1: thing about McDermott and this staff that we've seen throughout

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Speaker 1: his time here. Guys who come to Buffalo play their

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Speaker 1: best football here, not when they leave and wherever they

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Speaker 1: were before, they played better here, unless they get injured

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Speaker 1: or you know, like Vaughn was was late in his career. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but all of that said, you know, a guy coming

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Speaker 1: into here like mac Hollins, perfect example, and all the

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Speaker 1: guys you can go down the list, Taron Johnson, you know,

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Speaker 1: Matt Mulano, Christian Benford, all those guys, they're they're playing

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Speaker 1: us good here as they would ever play anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: So anybody that the Bills are gonna bring in, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get the most out of them, because that's what

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Speaker 1: McDermott and this staff do. So there's gonna be some

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Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be brought in here as free

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Speaker 1: agents that are gonna compete for a job, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see how that goes, Yeah, but we're all on the

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Speaker 1: same page. Gets get the best best absolute pass rusher

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Speaker 1: and get a name guy too if you can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think I don't get the sense that

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Speaker 3: Vaughn wants to coach. Vaughan's interests lie in the front office.

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Speaker 3: I think he's more interested in being a general manager

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Speaker 3: someday and working his way up on that side of

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Speaker 3: the football department more than being a coach. At least,

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Speaker 3: those are the indications he's kind of given. If you remember,

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Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago, he kind of tagged

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Speaker 3: along behind Brandon Bean at the Combine and just wanted

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Speaker 3: to see how things worked on a daily basis there.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's where his interests lie after his

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Speaker 3: playing days are over.

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Speaker 1: And it's a vastly different world being in the front

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Speaker 1: office rather than a coach.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Kevin and Hamburg next. What's up Kevin?

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys, there you doing. Thanks for taking my car? Sure,

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Speaker 9: I don't know what I want to kill you on

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Speaker 9: what Steve just said about how players have played better

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Speaker 9: as good here as they have, if not better than before,

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Speaker 9: And one of them is Rasseaulle Douglas and I like

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Speaker 9: the way he's played. And you know, you talked to

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Speaker 9: different in different store like shopping or whatever. You know,

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Speaker 9: Steve bill shot and he say he's been a pretty

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Speaker 9: big disappointment. No horrible, But I'm not the only one

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Speaker 9: who says that.

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Speaker 5: And I sure like this.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what his contract is or what he's

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Speaker 9: up for, but I'll tell you if you couldn't get

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Speaker 9: rid of him now, if you could find another cornerback

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Speaker 9: and then shift him down farther, if not the practice

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Speaker 9: squad down farther, that the only way he would play

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Speaker 9: is you know, unregret or regrettably that someone got hurt,

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Speaker 9: like in the Benford situation, and then get rid of

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Speaker 9: him because he's been a real disappointment. I'm not the

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Speaker 9: only Bills man that says has been a disappointment.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought he was talking about Rasoul Douglas.

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Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, he's been better in this year

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Speaker 9: and a half since he keen the Buffalo than Elam

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Speaker 9: has in his two and a half years.

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Speaker 1: He's been Yeah, yeah, you're right, Kyer's yeah, Kyer has

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Speaker 1: got to tell you. He'll tell you too, it's been

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Speaker 1: a disappointment. He couldn't get on the field, and he

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Speaker 1: wasn't a successful as and he wanted to be when

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Speaker 1: he did get on the Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 1: if if they moved on from him. But it's four

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Speaker 1: and a half. It's four million plus of dead cap

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Speaker 1: money if you do, because he's a first round draft

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Speaker 1: pick and all his contracts last year of his deal

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Speaker 1: though it's the last year of his deal, so he'll

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Speaker 1: come in and maybe with a new set of eyes.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this guy Pellegrino from the New England Patriots coming in,

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Speaker 1: maybe he'll have a new way to look at him,

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Speaker 1: a new way to coach him, new set of eyes.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps that'll help. We thought that might happen last year

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Speaker 1: when they when they got a new defensive coordinator. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that would be it's a fresh set of eyes on him.

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Speaker 1: Didn't seem to be the case. So, yeah, there's no

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Speaker 1: question Kaye would have to be All of us have

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Speaker 1: to be disappointed with the production that Kaye has given

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Speaker 1: the team over the course of his first three four years.

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Speaker 3: But it's not a position of strength right now because

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Speaker 3: Douglas is going to be a free agent and you

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Speaker 3: don't have a tremendous amount of depth under contract aside

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Speaker 3: from Elam and Doug Liss. I mean, you have some

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Speaker 3: guys you signed as reserve future free agents, but you

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Speaker 3: don't know how they're going to play the NFL regular

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Speaker 3: season level. So I don't know if you want to

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Speaker 3: subtract until you've already made some additions where you feel

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Speaker 3: you're in a good, good enough position.

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Speaker 1: Benford's a high level player and they're probably going to

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Speaker 1: think about maybe even extending him.

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Speaker 3: And they're probably gonna draft, have to draft one. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So let's go to Ken in Buffalo next.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Ken?

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Speaker 10: Say, good afternoon, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my car, and

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Speaker 10: I've been listening to the discussion, and I think it's

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Speaker 10: a good one to have in terms of what some

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Speaker 10: of the needs. I think, first and foremost the needs

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Speaker 10: are that the scouting department has to do a better job.

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Speaker 10: Where the Eagles demonstrated is what has been doable against

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Speaker 10: the Chiefs. For some reason, we tend to go against

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Speaker 10: them and see that we're like wide Eye were still

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Speaker 10: in awe about this Andy Reid Mahomes mistique. When you

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Speaker 10: know the Eagles demonstrated, as expression goes your attitude determines

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Speaker 10: your altitude, and they happen to go by the monikers

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Speaker 10: fly Eagles clat and that's what this was about. The

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Speaker 10: attitude was they didn't care about the football Mahomes and

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Speaker 10: they went right after it.

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Speaker 3: But Ken, let me let me ask you, how do

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Speaker 3: you feel that pertains to scouting well, because.

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Speaker 10: How do we keep missing? We have three first round

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Speaker 10: picks along our d line at Oliver, Epinez and Rousseau,

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Speaker 10: and yet we haven't been able to do anything remotely

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Speaker 10: close to what the Eagles did pushing those guys back

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Speaker 10: like that for five they dominated them consistently. We haven't

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Speaker 10: did that. We haven't gotten the bodies to be able

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Speaker 10: to push their pockets to make mahomes life miserable. He

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Speaker 10: gets confident, he gets comfortable, and he throws the ball

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Speaker 10: all over the field against us. He will get in

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Speaker 10: there and went right after him, and we saw the difference.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you Ken that part of the reason

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Speaker 3: is because of where the Bills have been drafting, which

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Speaker 3: is the bottom of round one. By virtue of the

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Speaker 3: fact that they've made the playoffs each of the last

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Speaker 3: six years in a row. Eagles can't say the same

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Speaker 3: thing because they haven't made the playoffs the last six

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Speaker 3: years in a row, so they have drafted higher in

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Speaker 3: a couple of those years. They've also, to their credit,

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Speaker 3: traded up in some rounds to make some move poofs.

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Speaker 3: They also benefited from Jalen Carter due to some off

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Speaker 3: the field concerns when he was coming out in the draft,

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Speaker 3: sliding all the way to the teams where they picked,

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Speaker 3: when he would have been a consensus top five pick

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Speaker 3: had it not been for the off the field concerns,

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Speaker 3: So they benefited from that. Look, Howie Roseman's done a

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Speaker 3: great job. He's maneuvered his way up and down the

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Speaker 3: board by having a bounty of picks to use as

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Speaker 3: trade commodity to get to a place on the board

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Speaker 3: to get top flight talent, and he signed some free

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Speaker 3: agents that have helped his team as well. So, look,

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Speaker 3: the Eagles have drafted exceptionally well. They've gotten impact players,

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Speaker 3: but they've also drafted higher, either through trade or by

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Speaker 3: virtue of the fact that they did not make the

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Speaker 3: playoffs a couple of times. In this last six year stretch,

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Speaker 3: the Bills have made the playoffs every year, and they've

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Speaker 3: won a playoff game every year that they have, with

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Speaker 3: the exception of twenty nineteen. So that's part of the

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Speaker 3: reason they're a little bit lower in the pecking order

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Speaker 3: in terms of getting the best talent and aj epen

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Speaker 3: as it was a second round, not a first round.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and I'll say this too, and you're right

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Speaker 1: Ken that the Bills probably the Bills might have the

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Speaker 1: same draft scouting evaluations as everybody else, but the opportunities

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00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: don't come their way like they do others. They don't

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Speaker 1: have the assets to trade to an Indianapolis or New

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Speaker 1: Orleans who gave Philadelphia a bunch of stuff in a

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Speaker 1: trade that allowed them to trade up. The opportunities are

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Speaker 1: different for different teams because of where they're drafting, And

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Speaker 1: just because they don't get a player that turns out

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Speaker 1: to be really good doesn't mean they don't have them

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Speaker 1: evaluated the exact same way. I get your point about,

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Speaker 1: you know, get the best players and you're gonna play

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00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: the best. There's a lot in that, no question, But

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Speaker 1: the opportunities for all these teams are not equal because

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Speaker 1: of the draft order and the success they have from

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Speaker 1: year to year to year to year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, break time for us here more of your phone

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Speaker 3: calls when we get back Harry and Canada. Bob and

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Speaker 3: Lockport will get to you when we return here. I

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Speaker 3: want Bills Live presented boy to lout of health. It's

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills Radio back here on one of Bill's Live

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872
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Speaker 3: the phones we go.

873
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: We're asking you what where do you where?

874
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 3: Does your to do list start with your twenty twenty

875
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: five Buffalo Bills to Harry up in Canada? What do

876
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: you offer as Harry.

877
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 11: Taking afternoon guys. Look, I'm not gonna we're all talking

878
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 11: defense that I get it. My to do list starts with.

879
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: Oh no, do we lose on?

880
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: No?

881
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: Are you there here? Sorry? You broke up? Start over?

882
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 11: Sorry? Sorry?

883
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 10: Yeah.

884
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 11: Look, I'm gonna say that I think our special teams

885
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 11: cost us Hope Field advantage in the playoffs. That's just

886
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 11: my opinion. I would start with shoring up our special team,

887
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 11: starting with getting a really good coach. I'm talking to

888
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 11: one right now on the phone. I'm not sure if

889
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 11: he's interested, but we can put a good word into

890
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 11: Pagoulas for you. But we need to find a very out,

891
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 11: a very smart special teams guy. Uh, to get that

892
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 11: that part of our game solidified for the future. Yes,

893
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 11: we're going to concentrate on defense, get all the other stuff,

894
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 11: but if we can get special teams taken care of,

895
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 11: that's my priority for the start of off season. You're

896
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 11: taking my call.

897
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

898
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're interviewing a bunch of guys to be

899
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: the special teams coordinator. I'm yeah, it would be fun

900
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: for me to do that. Yeah, but I'm I'm not

901
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: qualified to be a special teams coordinator. Yeah, that's something

902
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: that's a that's a lifestyle, man.

903
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: And and I don't know if you're not qualified.

904
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm not qualified to be a coordinat.

905
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: I could.

906
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: I could be an assistant and do and help, but

907
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: that's a full time job. Man. I'm I like my

908
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: job here with Brownie and I listen. I for those

909
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: of you who don't know, I ride Brownie like he's

910
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: a rented mule. He does all the work and I

911
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: sit there and I watch him and I ask him questions.

912
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: And that's my job. If I was a special like, say,

913
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: for instance, assistant special teams coach of the Bills, it's

914
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: a it's a twenty four hour day, seven day a week,

915
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days a year job. It's

916
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: a lifestyle that I would have to adopt, and so

917
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: would my family. I mean I would. It would be

918
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: an immersive experience, and that's what it is. That's what

919
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: coaching is. And yeah, some people and something, Yes, could

920
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: I offer something, yeah, probably, but that's you know, come on.

921
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: I mean, so while I'm flat that you think so

922
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: much of me, but I'm unqualified to be the guy

923
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: that they need to be to coordinate the Bill's Special Teams.

924
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: That that's for a guy who's had some coaching. I've

925
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: had no coach, I have no coaching experience, So you

926
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: gotta you've got to be that kind of guy to

927
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: do that. They're interviewing guys who are really qualified, who

928
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: have really have a shot at it, who that's their lifestyle.

929
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: That's what they're gonna get. And I agree with you. Uh,

930
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: Special Teams had its moments this year and I and

931
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: there's some stuff in there about you know, in a

932
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: in an environment like you're talking about. Let's think about it.

933
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: The Special Teams coordinators who are on this list that

934
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna interview will probably be asking Sean McDermott as

935
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: many questions as he's asking them. How many guys are

936
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: you gonna give me? What's my core group gonna look like?

937
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: How much practice time am I gonna get? How much

938
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: meeting time am I gonna get? How much leeway am

939
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: I gonna get by putting, you know, offensive line on

940
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: my field goal team? How much can I use offensive

941
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: lineman in my field goal block team? Can I you

942
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: know all of that stuff? How? How? Because that's what

943
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: it comes down to for everybody, For Sean McDermott, every coach,

944
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Who I got, Who are my guys?

945
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

946
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: Uh, that's where it starts, and then it goes on

947
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: from there. So it's yeah, I would agree with you.

948
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: It's a good call, Harry from Canada. They've got that's

949
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: they're changing coordinators. That's big and so we'll, you know,

950
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: we'll have to see how that shakes out. But they're interviewed.

951
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: They got a list of guys. They are gonna interview

952
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: a ton of guys. Darren Rizzy is out there, although

953
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of kind of tight end with the Broncos

954
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: because he coached with Sean Payton in New Orleans, so

955
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot in that, but there's guys

956
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: out there who are really qualified, who could do a

957
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: good job, and you know I'm not one of them.

958
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: And we'll leave it there.

959
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: We got to take a break here because when we

960
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: come back, our number two begins with Pro Football Hall

961
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: of Fame quarterback NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner. He actually

962
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 3: called out Josh's name as the winner of League MVP.

963
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: We'll talk to him about that, get his final thoughts

964
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: on the Super Bowl, and maybe what he has on

965
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: the to do list for the Bills in twenty twenty five.

966
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: All coming up next year.

967
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: On One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health, It's Buffalo

968
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: Bills Radio.

969
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 4: One Bill's Live presented by.

970
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: Help all Right.

971
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 3: Hour number two on a Tuesday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

972
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: with you. We'll be having Pro Football Hall of Fame

973
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: quarterback NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner joining us here.

974
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 2: Shortly.

975
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: We'll get him on the line and get going, but

976
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 3: we'll get back to your phone calls in the meantime

977
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: as we're asking you.

978
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: Where does your to do list start?

979
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: For the twenty twenty five Bills eight oh three h

980
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: five fifty one eight eight five fifty two five point

981
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: fifty and waiting patiently is Bob in Lockport.

982
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: But do ye first, Bob.

983
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 7: Hi guys, Hi, Steve and Brownie, thanks for taking my

984
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 7: phone call. Sure, I'm I'm seventy nine years old, and

985
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 7: I go all the way back to nineteen sixty when

986
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 7: the Bills first came into the league, and I remember

987
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 7: those Super Bowl years and it's been about thirty years

988
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 7: and it's time for us to get back there again

989
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 7: and finally win one for the local people. I think,

990
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 7: as far as uh, we don't need a major overhaul

991
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 7: with this team. I think the biggest needs are on defense.

992
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 7: I think the middle of the line, for example, need

993
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 7: some showing up, some bigger people, some big bodies in

994
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 7: the middle. Someone to look to replace Matt Mlono because

995
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 7: of getting up there in years. We need to look

996
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 7: at linebacker and definitely the secondary. I think Bedford has

997
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 7: a future, perhaps Bishop has the future, but defensive line

998
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 7: and an edge rusher I think Miles Miles, Garrett, Mex Crosby,

999
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 7: guys like that will really help. I know our salary

1000
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 7: cap is probably a problem, so just wondering how much

1001
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 7: is going up next year, but we need an edge rusher.

1002
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 7: We need we need some people to block that center

1003
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 7: of the line so we don't get those thirty forty

1004
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 7: fifty yard occasional runs up the middle and runs that

1005
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 7: really disturb our our team and get us behind. But

1006
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 7: thank you for listening to me. Sure, I mean, I

1007
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 7: like I like Bernard. A guy like Elam has added opportunities.

1008
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 7: I think his time is gone. We need some help

1009
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 7: at at corner. And thank you so much for taking

1010
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 7: my phone call.

1011
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Bob.

1012
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: And Bob's mentioned almost every on the defensive side of

1013
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: the ball, and you know he's not wrong. You know,

1014
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: I think everybody agrees d line corner help, maybe some

1015
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 3: reserves at safety linebacker is kind of a sneaky need here,

1016
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 3: and there are decisions that will have to be made there.

1017
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: Did they see enough from Milana when he did come

1018
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 3: back to believe you know what, Yes, there is still

1019
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: quality play paying him eight digits that he can provide

1020
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: at his current price tag. Or do they have to

1021
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: go to him and say, hey, we got to restructure

1022
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: some things here. And then who do you have in

1023
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: the pipeline behind him? We know ob Dorian Williams is there,

1024
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: but beyond that you're looking at Bail Inspector, Joe Andrees

1025
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: and Eddie Uleafotio young players. So the youth is there,

1026
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: but do you have the requisite, you know, playing ability

1027
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 3: to be impact players. Maybe those players showed some promising

1028
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: growth and the coaching staff feels comfortable with them based

1029
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 3: on what they saw on a daily basis in practice.

1030
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: Maybe Milano's schedule for fifteen million this year, sixteen million

1031
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: next year.

1032
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a restructure candidate for sure.

1033
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And yeah, we're all kind of sitting. I think

1034
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: we're This is one of the reasons things we're doing

1035
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: here this week after, just after the Super Bowl is

1036
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of evaluating, kind of getting a template for where

1037
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: we're going to our offseason conversation is going to head.

1038
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: Certainly it starts with the defensive side of the ball.

1039
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: The Bills were number one, scored more points through the

1040
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: regular and postseason than eight team in the league. Any

1041
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: team in.

1042
00:52:54,160 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: The league, including Philadelphia, who hung forty on the defending Chaps.

1043
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: Bill scored more points in their regular season postseason than

1044
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: any team in the league. So the offense is not

1045
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: where you're gonna start. Certainly, their offensive line is intact.

1046
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: Those guys are all signed, and their backups are signed.

1047
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: This year, they're all sewed up. Josh has still got

1048
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: a deal, although you can rework it and free up

1049
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Same thing with Cook all of that. So, yeah,

1050
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: we're all in the same spot where we're thinking about

1051
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do with the defense. There was a

1052
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: huge amount of turnover this last year, and while they

1053
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: were productive and getting turnovers and all that, they still

1054
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: failed to get as much pass pressure and interceptions as

1055
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: you'd like. They had a ton of fumbles they forced,

1056
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: but that was kind of the they hung You can

1057
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: hang your hat on that. You need more consistent disruptors

1058
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: up front, and that's where we're kind of all sitting today.

1059
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: And uh, it was evident that that's what certainly gave

1060
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs a ton of problems. But I'll

1061
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: say this right now, the Bills are not going to

1062
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: get to where the Philadelphia Eagles were this last Sunday

1063
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: in one off season. Right, You're just not going to

1064
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: do it.

1065
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: You can get better, and the Eagles didn't either.

1066
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: Right, That's what I mean.

1067
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, to take them at like three off sea, it

1068
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: takes them.

1069
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: Takes forever to get something. And I'll say this too,

1070
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard for him to keep together

1071
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: when it reaches the end because all those guys are young,

1072
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: and they're all going to reach that point in their

1073
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: contract at the same time or very close to it.

1074
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: And by that time, you've you've got other financial issues.

1075
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: So I think we're all on the same page. You'd

1076
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: love to get a pass rush. That is really a

1077
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: big problem for your opponents, and I don't think the

1078
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: bills were there this year that that needs to change.

1079
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight oh three, five point fifty one, eighty eight,

1080
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: five fifty two, five fifty.

1081
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 2: Then I'm gonna get on board.

1082
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: Where does your to do list start for the twenty

1083
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: twenty five bills? We go to John and Hamburg Next,

1084
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: what do.

1085
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 2: You got for us? John?

1086
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 12: Guys, I just want to say one thing, and to me,

1087
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Speaker 12: this was very, very It stood out a heck of

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00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 12: a lot. Did you guys notice be tackling by both teams,

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Speaker 12: especially Philadelphia. When they tackled, they tackled. They didn't hit

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Speaker 12: somebody waist high. They went for their legs like we

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Speaker 12: were all taught in football in high school. But it

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00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 12: was hard tackling. They made sure they got them. Okay,

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Speaker 12: that's enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, thanks John. Yeah, I mean they rallied to

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00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: the football and did a good job of it. But

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00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: just about every coach in the league preaches that, and

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00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: sometimes with better results than others.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah. Best defenses in the NFL are always,

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Speaker 1: and this is true back in before my time, during

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Speaker 1: my time, and it's true now. The best defenses have

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: the ability that when a defender finally gets to the

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: ball or gets to the ball, the first guy to

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00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: the ball makes the tackle. The best defenses are always

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00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: that way. There's no mistackles, no broken tackles, none of

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: that stuff. The best defenses are like that. And I'll

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00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: but you gotta, and I don't want to, I don't.

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00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to soften it or anything like that.

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00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: But defenders in the NFL today are not allowed to

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00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: play the way they were playing back when when I

1110
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: played and before my time. They you can't, they can't

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: use a lot of the techniques that our players used

1112
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: to use to tackle. I've said this a ton You gotta.

1113
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: If you got something sitting on a table, like a bottle,

1114
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: the best way to knock the bottle over is hit

1115
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: it right at the top and knock it over. It's

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: the best. It's leverage. It's common physics. It's leveraged. Just

1117
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: that's the easiest way to knock it over. Same thing

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00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: with the ball carry. You got a big, tall ball carrier,

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: or even a running back ball carrier, you hit him

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Speaker 1: at the top, he's gonna knock over. It's harder to

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Speaker 1: keep his balance. You're not allowed to do that in

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00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: the NFL anymore. You can't hit him at the top.

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Speaker 1: You got to hit him either at the bottom. You

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00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: start hitting him at the bottom. Now it's much easier

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00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: to avoid that by jumping over you, making you miss,

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00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: making you lunge, and then stepping around you. And you can't.

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00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, you can't hit like you used to hit.

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Speaker 1: So that's why you see so many teams and defensive

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Speaker 1: backs in particular, they tackle the ball rather than tackling

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Speaker 1: the man. They're trying to get the ball out. The

1131
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: Bills were very good at this this year. They punched

1132
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: the ball out. That's part of the reaction to the

1133
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: rules changes over the years that have evolved into not

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: letting players whack these guys the way they used to

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00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: whack them. In the old days, just the way it is.

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Speaker 3: And look, coach McDermott's staff pounds fundamentals the entire season

1137
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: in the practice setting each and every week, and tackling

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00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: is part of that and they do it religiously. Time

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Speaker 3: to pivot now, though, to NFL Network analyst and Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame quarterback Crew Warner, who joins us now here

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: in the second hour of the show, and Kurt, thanks

1142
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: for giving us some time.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it, especially so soon off the heels of

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: You were the guys swiping the tablet and announcing Josh's

1146
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: league MVP. Did you have any inkling as to which

1147
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 3: way it was going to go?

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00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 4: Not really. I mean I think, like probably a lot

1149
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 4: of people, once Lamar was voted all pro, I think

1150
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 4: in my mind I felt like it was probably swaying

1151
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: in that direction. But I did believe that that Josh

1152
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 4: should have been the MVP, and I thought, you know,

1153
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 4: if you looked at the beginning part of the season

1154
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 4: and you know what so often happens with the MVP

1155
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 4: is it's so much about what you do down the

1156
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 4: stretch because it's recency bias, and we remember what happened

1157
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 4: down the stretch and Josh company had kind of sealed

1158
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 4: up the division so early that his huge games and

1159
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: his you know, to me MVP case happened, you know,

1160
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: kind of mid year when he was playing, you know,

1161
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 4: what he did against the Rams and what he did

1162
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 4: against Detroit and you in those teams where he just

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00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 4: carried this team and you know, they look like you want,

1164
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 4: of the best teams in football. And then down the

1165
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 4: stretch where they didn't have to do as much and

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00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 4: you know, he wasn't as dominant, but they were playing,

1167
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,479
Speaker 4: you know, some average teams down the stretch where Lamar

1168
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: was playing on Christmas and then he was playing on Saturdays,

1169
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 4: and he was playing on national TV and playing great.

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, Lamar had an unbelievable season. No question

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Speaker 4: he would have won it, fully deserving of it. But

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Speaker 4: I thought Josh was the best player in football, the

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: best quarterback in football through three fourths of the year

1174
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 4: before they had sealed this thing up. And that's why

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00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 4: I felt he should have been the MVP. But I

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00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: really thought it was going to sway in the other

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00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 4: direction because what happened those last four games of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yea, And that's really that's kind of what I thought

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01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: too when they when they chose Lamar as All Pro.

1180
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: You kind of got an inkling because it's the same

1181
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: guys who vote. Same fifty guys vote for both awards.

1182
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: And I get it too. There is a distinction you got.

1183
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: There's two different awards, so two different guys could win them,

1184
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: even though they come from the same position group and

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: you're picking from the same pool. You get to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Look and you know you played in a bunch.

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Speaker 1: You want them, you wont them this and I a

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01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: reged you put it out today, and I get it.

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Speaker 1: We're all caught up in the hangover the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We're making big proclamations about where the league is and

1191
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: where the Eagles are and all this guy's great, this guy,

1192
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: this is gonna harm Pat Mahomes's legacy. Just take a breath,

1193
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: and when you do, take a breath and you clear

1194
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: your head, it is just one game. And certainly the

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Speaker 1: Eagles had a really impressive run in their playoff run

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, and against one of the old

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Speaker 1: timers in the Chiefs and Andy Reid and that What

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Speaker 1: are your takeaways from the Super Bowl now that you

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Speaker 1: had a chance to like, take a deep breath and

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01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: look at the big picture again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean my takeaways is, you know, really no

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01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 4: different going into the game. You know, we you know,

1203
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 4: joked around on our show all year long. Was you know,

1204
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 4: early on in the year, you know, they were asking,

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 4: is this the most complete team that Patrick Mahomes has

1206
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 4: ever had or Andy whatever? And you know I was

1207
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 4: definitive and saying, no, this is not the most complete team.

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Speaker 4: And then they went on and they went fifteen and one.

1209
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 4: You know when when Patrick was starting, and they won

1210
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 4: so many games and best recon all this stuff, and

1211
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Speaker 4: we kept asking the question, now, is it the most

1212
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Speaker 4: complete And every time I said, no, it's not. When

1213
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 4: I watched this team, they are not the best team

1214
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 4: top to bottom. They are not a team filled with

1215
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 4: a bunch of guys that can beat you in a

1216
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 4: bunch of different ways. They're a team that find ways

1217
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Speaker 4: to win. And it's how I felt all year long. Now,

1218
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 4: no question question. You give credit to teams that find

1219
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 4: ways to win, that have players that step up and

1220
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 4: make big plays in big moments and beat good football teams.

1221
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Speaker 4: But going into the Super Bowl, I felt, hands down

1222
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Speaker 4: that the Eagles were the better football team, the more

1223
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: complete football team, And there was a big part of

1224
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Speaker 4: my mind that said, I could see this being a

1225
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Speaker 4: blowout for the Eagles, and the only reservation that I

1226
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: had was but fifteen's on the other side, and we've

1227
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Speaker 4: just seen so many times that he's found a way

1228
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 4: to keep a game closed or to win a game

1229
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 4: that they never should have been in. So all that

1230
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 4: to say, when I come step back from the Super

1231
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 4: Bowl and look at it, I say, that's exactly how

1232
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 4: this matchup should have played out. Is that the Eagles

1233
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 4: should have dominated this game. The Eagles were the better

1234
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 4: roster hop to bottom outside of quarterback. I went into

1235
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 4: this game saying, there is not one area where I

1236
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 4: give the advantage to the Chiefs in this game. So

1237
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 4: you expect it to be a blowout, you know, in

1238
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 4: a situation like this. The other thing I take away

1239
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 4: from it is that all year long I said, I

1240
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 4: don't know how the Chiefs are doing it. I don't

1241
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 4: know how they're doing this. I don't know how they

1242
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 4: got here. I don't think they can win it. But

1243
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 4: you know, I can't put it past them because I

1244
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 4: haven't known all year. I don't know now, And so

1245
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 4: where everybody wants to crush Patrick Mahomes. I look at

1246
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 4: it from the other perspective, and I say, this team

1247
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 4: should have never been here. This team was not the

1248
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 4: second best team in football in my opinion, or at

1249
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 4: least they weren't close to the number one team in

1250
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 4: the league, if that's the Eagles. They weren't close to

1251
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 4: them all year long. Yet another time, Patrick Mahomes and

1252
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 4: Andy Reid and company found a way to win these

1253
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 4: games against good teams and get all the way to

1254
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. So I tip my head to them,

1255
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 4: and to Patrick Mahomes, and to you know, to the

1256
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 4: whole organization for getting here. Even though the game looked ugly,

1257
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 4: you know through most of it, that wasn't a surprise

1258
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 4: to me. And so where everybody is killing Patrick Mahomes

1259
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 4: and killing the Chiefs and he doesn't belong in the

1260
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 4: conversation with Brady anymore. After performance like that, I'm sitting

1261
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 4: back going, what have you guys been watching all year long?

1262
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 4: What did you think? Who did you think was going

1263
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 4: to step up and have this monster game and dominate

1264
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 4: this really good Eagles team. Who was that that was

1265
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 4: going to help Patrick Mahomes. So that to me was

1266
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 4: how I saw it going in. I'm not surprised by

1267
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 4: how it played out, other than, like I said, just

1268
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 4: that inkling in the back of your mind that says

1269
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 4: but it is Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and we've

1270
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 4: seen them do the unthinkable before. There is nothing on

1271
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 4: paper and there was nothing throughout the season that made

1272
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: me think the Chiefs had, you know, the the ability

1273
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 4: player to player to hold up against what the Eagles were.

1274
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: I have one more question for you, Kurt, regarding the MVP,

1275
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 3: because you've obviously been a League MVP twice yourself, circumstances

1276
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 3: are a little bit different for you in comparison to

1277
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: Josh because your first MVP also won the Super Bowl

1278
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: and you were Super Bowl MVP on top of it.

1279
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: But my question to.

1280
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 3: You is, after you win an award of that magnitude,

1281
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: how does the next season kind of shape up for you?

1282
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: And do you.

1283
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: Feel as though there's an even bigger bullseye on you

1284
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 3: with that moniker attached to the end of your name.

1285
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner MVP.

1286
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: Josh Allen MVP, how does the next season usually roll out?

1287
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: Do you see opponents, you know.

1288
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 3: Frothing at the mouth like Oh, let's get the MVP,

1289
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, how did that play out

1290
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: for you in two thousand.

1291
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's MVP as much as if

1292
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 4: you were super Bowl champs, right, you know. I think

1293
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 4: when you're super Bowl champs or you've been to the

1294
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 4: super Bowl, that's when you know, people kind of look

1295
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 4: at you and you have that X on your bat

1296
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 4: and going a we want to knock off the champs.

1297
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, anytime you play against a great player,

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Speaker 4: you play against an MVP player, it motivates you as

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Speaker 4: a team. It motivates the defense on the other side

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01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 4: to say, hey, we know we're going against one of

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Speaker 4: the greats. We want to play greats against them. But

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Speaker 4: I don't think it has quite the same umph to

1303
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 4: it as a team that went deep into the playoffs

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01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 4: or a team that was playing in the Super Bowl

1305
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 4: or won the Super Bowl in terms of, you know,

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 4: how people are elevating their game to play them. So

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01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 4: I still think for Josh going into next year, it's

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 4: more about proving you can be a Super Bowl or

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01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 4: a championship quarterback than it is to defend your MVP.

1310
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Speaker 4: Because I think we all know Josh is a really

1311
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 4: good quarterback and he's played at that particular level for

1312
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 4: a number of years. So this isn't something that's like,

1313
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 4: oh gosh, now he's an MVP. Now we've got to

1314
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 4: take him down. I think the question remains show us

1315
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 4: in the biggest moments, against the best teams in the AFC,

1316
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 4: you can play your best football and elevate your team

1317
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 4: to the super Bowl. And that's really what's going to be,

1318
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 4: you know, kind of following Josh way more than the

1319
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 4: MVP will be.

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Speaker 1: So you've won super bowls and he also lost a

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01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: super Bowl, So you know the crushing how that feels.

1322
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: Put yourself in the in the spot where the Kansas

1323
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: City Chiefs are obviously they you know, they have some

1324
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: soul searching to do you always do. I mean, it hurts.

1325
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: And now you got to head coach and people are saying, well,

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01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes might win another couple of super Bowls anyway,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the next couple. But Andy Reid sixty eight,

1328
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, as well as anybody Andy Reid head coaches

1329
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: mean something in the NFL for the success of a team, right,

1330
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is as much responsible for the chief success

1331
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: as Pat as anybody else. And he's sixty eight, and

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01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: he says he still loves and I believe him. But

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01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: he's sixty eight. You know, how much of a change

1334
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: and when when the Chiefs do come to the end

1335
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: of this, how do you think it's going to look?

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I talked to Andy and talked to him before.

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01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 4: I did an interview with him before and kind of

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01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 4: talked a little bit about that. And I don't think

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01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 4: he has any intention of retiring anytime soon. Still loves it,

1340
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 4: and you know, as you said, and so I feel

1341
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 4: like he's going to be around for a while. I

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 4: think also, I think he understands. You know, I've got

1343
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 4: Padrick Mahomes, and so it makes all of this easier

1344
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 4: when I've got that guy in my corner, you know,

1345
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 4: as we go down the stretch. It doesn't make it

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 4: quite as hard and much of a grind when I

1347
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 4: know I have a chance every single year, you know.

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01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 4: I also did have to interview him after the Super Bowl,

1349
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 4: you know, for our radio broadcast, and the one thing

1350
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 4: that I would say is, you know, I lost some

1351
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 4: super Bowls, and I lost some heartbreaking super bowl you know,

1352
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 4: one on the last play of the game, and one

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 4: with an unbelie we'll catch with thirty seconds to go,

1354
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 4: and those are hard to get over. The one thing

1355
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: I would say about this, you know, like the first

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 4: question I asked, you know, Andy, your initial reaction, and

1357
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 4: he's like, we got beat Like we got dominated. We

1358
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 4: were not the better team. And I wonder if that

1359
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 4: makes it even a little bit easier to know kind

1360
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 4: of what we talked about is that we overachieved this year.

1361
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 4: We did something special. We gave ourselves a chance for

1362
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 4: a three pet and understand how hard that is, and

1363
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 4: then look at where we were roster wise and say, man,

1364
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 4: what an accomplishment. And we got into this game and

1365
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 4: its disappointing. Nobody wants to lose, nobody wants to be

1366
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 4: embarrassed in the super Bowl. But being dominated across the board,

1367
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 4: I think sometimes can make you walk away and go, yeah,

1368
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 4: you know, it is what it is. I get it.

1369
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 4: I understand. You know, we didn't just go out and

1370
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 4: not play our best game. We went out and played

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01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 4: against a better team, and the better team beat us today.

1372
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Speaker 4: So you walk away from it and go, We've got

1373
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 4: some retooling to do, some rebuilding to do what an

1374
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 4: incredible accomplishment we just had, but this just kind of

1375
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 4: shined the light on the fact that we're not good

1376
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 4: enough right now. We're not good enough as we were

1377
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 4: maybe a couple of years ago to dominate and just

1378
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 4: find our way back. This year was really tough, and

1379
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 4: so I think this can help put that in perspective

1380
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 4: a little bit more and help them kind of catapult

1381
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 4: them into the offseason going all right, a lot of

1382
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 4: deficiencies here. How do we surround pat with the proper

1383
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 4: team where he doesn't have to do as much and

1384
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 4: carry us, and then when we play against the best

1385
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 4: teams in the league, we truly have an opportunity to

1386
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,520
Speaker 4: compete and win more championships.

1387
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Speaker 3: Last one for me, Kurt, where do you feel this

1388
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 3: performance leaves Jalen Hurts Obviously is the MVP of the game,

1389
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 3: and look, they were determined to stop Saquon and for

1390
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 3: the most part they kept him in check. So the

1391
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 3: game on offense was largely on Jalen shoulders and he

1392
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 3: came through for them, made several plays through the course

1393
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: of the game. Do you think this vaults him into

1394
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,959
Speaker 3: another status, another stratosphere here in terms of quality of quarterback,

1395
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 3: because I think He's always been knocked because of all

1396
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 3: the elite talent he's had around him, whether it's you know,

1397
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: their number one defense in the league, an A one

1398
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 3: receiver in aj Brown, maybe one of the best backs

1399
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: in football in Saquon Barkley. So does this kind of help,

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, tamp down that narrative?

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think if you've watched Jalen play

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01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 4: and you know who Jalen is, well, first thing I'll

1403
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 4: say is teams win championships. Right quarterback has a huge

1404
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 4: say in getting teams there and obviously playing well in

1405
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 4: the moment, but teams win championships, and so we have

1406
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 4: to understand that on both sides of the ball. I

1407
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 4: don't think you know, And again I just can only

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 4: I guess only speak for myself, but I've never been

1409
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: critical of Jalen as a football player and as a

1410
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 4: winner and as a leader with his football team. He's

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01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: shown that at every level he's been at, and to me,

1412
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 4: he's at a high, high elite level in terms of

1413
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 4: those things. What I don't think this does, and again

1414
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 4: just my opinion is catapulled him into Hall of Fame

1415
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 4: status or elevate him into you know, elite quarterback status.

1416
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 4: Now we can judge and we can talk about what

1417
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 4: we think, you know, determination of all those things is.

1418
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 4: But to me, what it's ultimately going to come down

1419
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 4: to is I believe Jalen is going to win and

1420
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 4: he's going to do really good things in this league

1421
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 4: for a long time. What it always comes down to

1422
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 4: for me, whether we're talking about Hall of Fame or

1423
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 4: we're talking about elite status for a quarterback, it's you

1424
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 4: have to be able to carry the team with your

1425
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,959
Speaker 4: right arm when that is asked of you, and usually

1426
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 4: for a period of time, not just a game or two,

1427
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 4: and that's what elevates you to elite or a Hall

1428
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 4: of Fame quarterback. Not just winning and not just leading,

1429
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 4: but doing those things is kind of how I see

1430
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame is like it's a collection of

1431
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 4: the greatest players at their position that we've ever seen.

1432
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 4: And so the one thing I will say in Jalen's

1433
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,879
Speaker 4: favor is that I've seen him play at that elite

1434
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 4: level at the most critical of moments NFC Championship game,

1435
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 4: both Super Bowls, and so I've seen him do it.

1436
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 4: But doing it two or three times, to me, doesn't

1437
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 4: elevate you to Hall of Fame, doesn't elevate you to elite,

1438
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 4: but it shows me you have the capabilities. There is

1439
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 4: going to be a time where they're not going to

1440
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 4: have this team around him. And I don't fault him

1441
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 4: one bit for having a great team and leading that

1442
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 4: team to wins in super Bowls. He gets all the

1443
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 4: credit in the world for doing that, because that's what

1444
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 4: it's all about. But when it comes to that next conversation,

1445
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 4: there will come a time where he doesn't have all

1446
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 4: of this. He doesn't have the greatest offensive line. You know,

1447
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a back running for two thousand yards,

1448
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 4: and he will be asked more often to go out

1449
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 4: and throw the ball forty times and win games with

1450
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 4: his right arm, and that will, ultimately, for me, determine

1451
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 4: whether he becomes elite at the quarterback position or a

1452
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame type quarterback. That will be the determining

1453
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 4: factor for me. Really good, there is no criticism for

1454
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 4: me on how he plays the game or the fact

1455
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 4: that he wins, or the fact that he leads and

1456
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 4: the fact that he you know, he's got his team

1457
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 4: to two super Bowls in three years. I give him

1458
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of credit for that, But I'm just

1459
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 4: not ready to elevate him into you're an elite quarterback

1460
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 4: because your team won the super Bowl or even because

1461
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 4: you played really well in the super Bowl. Show that

1462
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 4: to me week in and week out from a passing standpoint,

1463
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 4: because to me, that's still what we look at when

1464
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 4: we're talking about elite quarterbacks. Show me that, and that's

1465
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 4: what will ultimately elevate him to that next status in

1466
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 4: those other areas, although he's as good as any winner

1467
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 4: in the National Football League right now.

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01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: Kurt, thanks for coming on with this man. I appreciate.

1469
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: It's great seeing you.

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01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 4: Always good to see you guys. Sorry I was a

1471
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 4: little bit late coming in, but we'll talk again down

1472
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 4: the road.

1473
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: No worries.

1474
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 3: Thanks, Thanks very much. That's a Hall of Fame quarterback.

1475
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 3: NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner one two league MVPs himself.

1476
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 3: Kind of pretty appropriate to have him introducing that award

1477
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: the other night when he named Josh and announced him

1478
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 3: as the winner. We've got to take a break here,

1479
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 3: but when we come back, got a special comment coming

1480
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 3: your way. Some of our listeners wanted to hear from

1481
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 3: the guy that was referred to by Josh as slick Rick.

1482
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: We have a comment from him coming up when we

1483
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 3: return here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colid of Health.

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01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 3: Right back here on Want of Bill's Live, Chris Brown,

1486
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 3: Steve Tasker. Before the break, we told you we had

1487
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 3: a message we wanted to deliver. We heard from some

1488
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 3: of our listeners earlier this week and they wanted us

1489
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,839
Speaker 3: to get slick Rick, the guy known in the office

1490
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 3: after Josh called him that in his League MVP speech.

1491
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: Slick Rick Rick is, you know, one of our coworkers

1492
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 3: here in the building. And yes, he delivers packages, mail

1493
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 3: sometimes other supplies around the building.

1494
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 2: All the time.

1495
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 1: Everybody knows him.

1496
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 3: Everybody knows him because he's running around with his card.

1497
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 3: He's got packages on it every almost every day. You

1498
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 3: see him somewhere and obviously he gets the shout out

1499
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 3: from Josh. Rick is a little shy, so we couldn't

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Speaker 3: really get him here in the show. We want to

1501
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: sit down in front of cameras and everything. He was

1502
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 3: too nervous, but we did manage to convince him to

1503
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 3: stand in front of a camera and we got him

1504
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: to just kind of explain how he felt after a hearing.

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: Josh mentioned his name on national television last week.

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Speaker 13: And called me slick Rick. They call me Rico, but

1507
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 13: my real name is Roderick.

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Speaker 4: I'm the mail man.

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Speaker 13: I take deliveries and I deliver the mill. Thursday, when

1510
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 13: I went home to watch the NFL Awards, I was

1511
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,879
Speaker 13: saying I was going to cry Josh didn't win the award.

1512
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 13: So when Josh won the award, I was happy and

1513
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 13: jumping around, overjoyed. And then when he went on stage

1514
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 13: and started mentioning.

1515
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 2: Things to slick Rick in the mail room.

1516
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 13: And he mentioned my name, I started quyet I basically

1517
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 13: broke out in tears. I couldn't believe it. I really

1518
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 13: couldn't believe it, and I still can't believe it to

1519
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 13: this day. I'm a diehard Bills fan. I bet a

1520
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 13: diehard Bills fan all my life, and I was blessed

1521
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 13: to be living to dream, working here for the Bills

1522
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 13: and Bill's mafia. We are number one and we will

1523
01:17:58,160 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 13: win that Super Bowl one day.

1524
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,440
Speaker 3: And there's a sneak peek on why everybody loves that guy,

1525
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 3: Salt of the air.

1526
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. And it was when Josh said slick

1527
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: Ricky was like, oh my gosh, yeah, because he's everywhere

1528
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: in the he's the.

1529
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: Guy, well he touches everybody in the building.

1530
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 3: Everybody's delivering stuff all the time, more so than anybody else.

1531
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody else in the building is as well.

1532
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: You know Terry and Camp Jason. Yeah, maybe the top

1533
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: guys like Pete, you know, the Gwailey and those guys.

1534
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: But man, oh man, every babe knows rick.

1535
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 3: Right because he's crossing paths with everybody every day of

1536
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 3: the week.

1537
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 2: You know that we're here in the building, from.

1538
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: The locker room all the way up to the executive offices.

1539
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: Everybody. I mean, he's well nobody.

1540
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 3: In between, well known here and now you know him

1541
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 3: a little bit better. So we're glad we were able

1542
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 3: to bring that to you because we know we had

1543
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 3: some of our listeners calling us and saying, hey, get

1544
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 3: we want to see slick rick Get him on the show.

1545
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 3: And he's a little shy, didn't want to come in studio.

1546
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 3: He was worried, he was gonna He's like, I don't

1547
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 3: want to screw up. I'm not gonna know what to say.

1548
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 3: We couldn't can Vincent, but we We're glad we got

1549
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 3: him in front of the camera at least to at

1550
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 3: least deliver a message to you.

1551
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: You can see him. No match a face to a name,

1552
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 2: so to speak.

1553
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: Having somebody like Josh in that moment mentioned somebody like

1554
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: Rick is a testament to the type of culture that

1555
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: McDermott has built in this building. And when Chawn got

1556
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: the job seven years ago, going on eight years ago,

1557
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: he had he invited a bunch of guys to dinner,

1558
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys like like Bruce and Jim and

1559
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: Thurman and Andre and Darryl Talley and Carnelius Bennett, Will

1560
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: Wolford I think was at the at the table. Jim

1561
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: I was there and he sat down with us over

1562
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: dinner and said, you know why, what about your team?

1563
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: And we told him some of the stuff that made

1564
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: us close all the a lot of the symptoms of

1565
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: how good that team was way back in the day.

1566
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: You see in this building when you got the guys

1567
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: who know the name of the mailman, when your MVP

1568
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: is calling him out, it is MVP speech. It is

1569
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: a symptom of a healthy building. And uh, that's where

1570
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: this team is. As you might expect at a moment

1571
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 1: like this in history, where this team's won five straight

1572
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: division titles, they've gone to the two AFC championship games. There,

1573
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: they win a playoff game at least one playoff game

1574
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: every single year. It's that kind of culture that permeates

1575
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: and that and Josh calling out Rick is a symptom

1576
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: of that, There's no doubt about it. It's a it's

1577
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: a great place to work at this moment. It's a

1578
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: healthy building there and they're moving forward. And you know

1579
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 1: in this day and age too, with Brownie and I

1580
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: sitting here, we with our calls today, we got we

1581
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: have like I don't know, we got like fifteen calls

1582
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: today and they're all the same call. It's work on

1583
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: our date. We're all on the same page here. Yeah,

1584
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: And that's indeed, it's indicative of where the building, the

1585
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: team is, where the building is, where our fans are at.

1586
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: We all see it the same way, and we're all

1587
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,759
Speaker 1: pulling the same direction. And slick Rick's a perfect example,

1588
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: and he's pulling on that rope, he's pulling the road.

1589
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 3: So glad we were able to pass that along to you.

1590
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 3: And you can match your face to a name because

1591
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 3: we know some of you are asking about that. We're

1592
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 3: gonna pivot now though to the tweet sheet brought to

1593
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 3: you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company

1594
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 3: of the Buffalo Bills. Where does your Bills off season

1595
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 3: to do list start? Eric says, restructure Josh Allen's contract

1596
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 3: and backload it makes room for a stud defensive end

1597
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: and give up a number one. Also pick up a

1598
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 3: stud safety. We'll be fine in the draft as the

1599
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 3: first three rounds have even distributed amount of talent. Just

1600
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 3: want to remind everybody the Bills restructured Josh's contract last year.

1601
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 3: They're already restructured at once. I'm kind of wondering when

1602
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: they get to the point where they say, why don't

1603
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 3: we just do a whole new contract.

1604
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 1: It'll depend.

1605
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm not saying that's going to happen, wavering

1606
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 3: if they're going to come to that conclusion in the

1607
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: near future.

1608
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: It'll It's an interesting phenomenon because that's a big chunk

1609
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: of cash they could. You know, they restructure Josh and

1610
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: they got cap room and all that. That's all good, Uh,

1611
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: but it you know, it's going to come back at

1612
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: some point. Ye, So there's a lot of other avenues

1613
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: where they could go to, you know, clear cap space.

1614
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: I think what it really comes down to, Brownie, I

1615
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: think it really comes down to their commitment and their

1616
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: ability to you know, to make a major move on

1617
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: that side, on the defensive side of the ball.

1618
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they know they have to put themselves

1619
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 3: in position to do that. And I realize Brandon Bean

1620
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 3: in his season wrap up press conference said, you know,

1621
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 3: no team is ever truly one player away. Bills might

1622
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 3: be only one difference making clear away. I mean there

1623
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 3: might be more. I mean he look, a general manager

1624
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: is never going to say that because they're always tinkering

1625
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 3: with the roster and there are always multiple things on

1626
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 3: there to do list. But you get a premier pass

1627
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: rusher that I can make an awful lot of difference. Yeah,

1628
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 3: terms of getting sure past the point where you've been

1629
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: the last few.

1630
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the more game wreckers you can get, the better

1631
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: you're going to be, no question about it. But I'm

1632
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm with with you. I'm I don't I'm

1633
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: with Brandon. I don't think they're they're one guy away.

1634
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: But if they improve in a lot of areas, you know,

1635
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: they may be less than one guy away, right, you know.

1636
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 3: Let's you have to think about the youth and their

1637
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 3: growth from last year to this year. You know, Keyon

1638
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 3: Coleman gets valuable playing time, Cole Bishop gets valuable playing time.

1639
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 3: Ray Davis gets valuable playing time that's going to translate

1640
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 3: into something more next year. So those are things you

1641
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 3: can somewhat kind of hang your hat on too. Now,

1642
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: those players have to come through and and grow. But

1643
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: with this coaching staff, we've seen that growth on a

1644
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 3: pretty consistent basis with young players. Maybe not year one,

1645
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 3: sometimes maybe not even year two, but some definitely by

1646
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 3: year three players explode. Spencer Brown did it, Dawson Knox

1647
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 3: did it, Tarren Johnson did it.

1648
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: There is a.

1649
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 3: Long list of players that have been drafted by this

1650
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: club that have reached critical man somewhere between year two

1651
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 3: and year three and really made a difference for this

1652
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 3: football team.

1653
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 2: So that's not to be discounted either.

1654
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked about what you know, kind of what

1655
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: a player goes through in their first couple of years

1656
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: of doing it. It takes hard work, I mean, and

1657
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: most of these guys are so good, particularly if they

1658
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: come from different schools and different avenues. You can see

1659
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: guys skate through the college ranks on their ability and

1660
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: just on just their ability and how smart they are.

1661
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: They don't, you know, they really haven't had to put

1662
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: in hours of work. When they get to this level

1663
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: and they see that everybody else has elevated to their

1664
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: physical abilities, sometimes it takes a minute for them to

1665
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: realize they got to put the work in. Some guys don't.

1666
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 1: But once they get to this level and they start

1667
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: working at it, and they start getting their off season

1668
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: routine and they're where they're going to live and how

1669
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: it goes, all that stuff takes shape and it is

1670
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: a breeding ground for growth. The faster they learn that,

1671
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: the faster they get good or at least get better.

1672
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 3: Bryan says, we had an amazing year MVP, but the

1673
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 3: Bills defense has serious issues, not consistent pressure from the

1674
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 3: front four, linebacker issues with injuries, and our back end

1675
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 3: has zero depth when injuries happen. We need to continue

1676
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 3: to rebuild our defense through the draft and free agency. Yeah,

1677
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 3: you know, depth is an important thing. I mean, look

1678
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 3: at the Eagles. They lost to the Kobe Dean. They're

1679
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 3: starting inside linebacker. I think in the first round of

1680
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs, like in the wild card game, Wow, and

1681
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 3: they just plugged another guy in to line up next

1682
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 3: to Zach Bond.

1683
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: And it worked.

1684
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 3: It's hard to have that at every position, but you

1685
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 3: want to have it at the important ones, whether it's

1686
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 3: you know, defensive end, corner. You need depth because a

1687
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 3: seventeen game season is a bear. So you've got to

1688
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 3: have answers, viable answers without much drop off. Ethan says

1689
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 3: d Line and at least two free agents and two

1690
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 3: or three draft picks. Preferably bring in a proven quality

1691
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 3: all star, but that's not likely. Also a corner and

1692
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 3: probably some safeties as backups. You can bring in a

1693
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 3: random wide receiver and draft a late round interior old

1694
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 3: line like usual too, but defense needs to be number one.

1695
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: Hard to disagree.

1696
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 3: Jason says, re sign Hollands and Cooper. He wants both

1697
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 3: of those receivers back. So I don't think we saw

1698
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 3: the full breath of what Cooper could provide, mostly by

1699
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 3: virtue of the fact that he got here midseason and

1700
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 3: was playing catch up the rest of the way, you know,

1701
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 3: and obviously Hollands though was a revelation.

1702
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 1: Holland's got to be sitting there. He and I'm sure

1703
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: you think that he's never had a situation or spot

1704
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: where he's thrived like he has in this building. He

1705
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable season, Really an unbelievable season for a

1706
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: guy he's an eight year VET or nine year VET.

1707
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been around for a while and never

1708
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: had a moment like he had, or a bunch of

1709
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: moments like he had this year with the Bills. Whatever

1710
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: you think about him, man, he's got to be sitting

1711
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: there going, man, I'm crazy to leave this joint.

1712
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 3: I like to think that he enjoyed this past year

1713
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,839
Speaker 3: in many, many, many ways. I mean just by virtue

1714
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 3: of how we saw him show up to games. Right,

1715
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 3: He's got the Fred Flintstone outfit on with a water

1716
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 3: buffalo hat. He came dressed as Animal from the Muppets.

1717
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 3: It was a playoff game. I would like to think

1718
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 3: it's safe to say he had a lot of fun

1719
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 3: this season.

1720
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: It would be interested in coming back.

1721
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 3: Gotta take a break here, Steve and I close it

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Speaker 3: up with some final thoughts on the tweets.

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Speaker 2: Sheeet next here on one Bill's Live Stay.

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Speaker 1: With Us.

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Speaker 3: All Right, some final thoughts on the tweetsheet here on

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Speaker 3: one Bill's Live in terms of where you would start

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Speaker 3: your to do list for the Bills for twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: Jay on the tweet sheets says, get Garrett and Crosby.

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Speaker 2: Oh, both of them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you see what pressure does to the Casey offense.

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Speaker 2: Both of them?

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Speaker 3: Uh okay, I mean sure, if you want to mortgage

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Speaker 3: the rest of your roster and.

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Speaker 1: The Garrett Crossby and Micah Parsons chat, how I just

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Speaker 1: make it a trifecta.

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Speaker 2: That's reasonable those guys.

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Speaker 3: Chris on the tweet sheet says, restructure Allen's contract, extend

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Speaker 3: Shakir re sign Hollins, do whatever it takes to get

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Speaker 3: Garrett or Crosby draft for interior.

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Speaker 2: And on the back end of the.

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Speaker 3: Defense, Joey build up the defensive line, add some younger

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Speaker 3: guys with a leticism the secondary, grab Josh Receiver along

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Speaker 3: the way.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, the offense is fine.

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Speaker 3: At a game changer to the defensive unit, Garrett Crosby,

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Speaker 3: whoever is willing to pick up the phone.

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Speaker 2: Get it somebody, anybody.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan says, to get the defense right, more size at

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Speaker 3: defensive tackle to stop the run. In another proven pass ruger, Jonathan,

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Speaker 3: I am on board with you.

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Speaker 1: One thousands, Get another run stuffer, get a pass rush

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Speaker 1: a couple. You're gonna need a corner, get some depth,

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Speaker 1: a's safety because that position seems to be fragile, all

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Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, the defense needs some attention. There's no

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Speaker 1: question about a lot of free agents and a lot

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Speaker 1: of shallowness there behind the front line guys as well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm we're all kind of on the same

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Speaker 1: page here.

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Speaker 3: Ashley says, defense, defense, defense minus Christian Benford, Arren Johnson

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Speaker 3: and the linebacker's. A lot of contracts need to be

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Speaker 3: reworked on the D line. Wouldn't mind giving up a

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Speaker 3: first rounder for a proven vet like Garrett or Crosby.

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Speaker 2: It's probably gonna do it. It'll probably take that because

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Speaker 2: the Bills are picking so long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably will.

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Speaker 2: It's almost a two. Really.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you can work out the finances for Garrett and

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Speaker 1: the Browns, good luck. But that's what it's gonna take.

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Speaker 3: That's it for us today. We'll catch you here tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Gonna have NFL Networks Judy Batist to join us as well.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you at one.

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Speaker 4: He