Speaker 1: Ivy. It's cold in here. I can see my breath.
Speaker 1: Did we leave the A CNN in the studio again? Elliott,
Speaker 1: don't touch that thermostat. I'm getting into the mindset of
Speaker 1: one of our famous figures from today, the British Antarctic
Speaker 1: explorer Ernest Shackleton. Here, I brought you an extra fur coat.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Hey, b which animal has neon pink fur? Oh? Please?
Speaker 1: It's it vegan? For what makes it vegan? For it's
Speaker 1: made entirely out of celery, corn and almonds, and it's
Speaker 1: electric pink. And my coat is electric blue because, like
Speaker 1: our other famous figure, pioneering American poet Walt Whitman, I
Speaker 1: wanted to sing the body electric. That's a famous line
Speaker 1: from one of his poems. Yes, two great figures from
Speaker 1: history who are inspired by nature in totally different ways. Raspberries.
Speaker 1: I seem to be allergic to this electric vegan for
Speaker 1: so now that I can't wear the fur, can we
Speaker 1: please turn the A C off? Oh, don't worry. I
Speaker 1: have a backup plan that will keep you warm and
Speaker 1: make you feel electric. Here. Just grab this for okay,
Speaker 1: and let's head over to this light socket over here.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I know where this is going. Eric, please
Speaker 1: play the theme song. Here go. What do you think
Speaker 1: you know about the rates from this story? The game
Speaker 1: is on. To get some energy and buckle up your
Speaker 1: brain because it's time to play the worst podcast. Because
Speaker 1: it's time to play book Who Live from Tonga Land
Speaker 1: or so called So Cow Los Angeles? Welcome to Who Was?
Speaker 1: The history quish show that gives contestants the chance to
Speaker 1: win mega prizes and podcast glory. I'm your announcer, b
Speaker 1: and I promise I'm not gonna drone on for too long.
Speaker 1: And here's your host, the man Who's insurance has Insurance.
Speaker 1: It's Elliot Kalin. Thank you be you can never be
Speaker 1: too careful. It's and welcome everyone to the Who Was? Podcast.
Speaker 1: This show it's like Jeopardy, only the surprise guests, silly games,
Speaker 1: and hot towels for everyone. Book Our contestants were sent
Speaker 1: Who Was books about two great figures from history. Now
Speaker 1: they're here to show off their knowledge in the hope
Speaker 1: subwating fantastic prizes. Today we're learning about the Antarctic explorer
Speaker 1: Ernest Shackleton and the poet Walt Whitman. Too pioneering spirits
Speaker 1: who drew inspiration from the natural world in very different ways.
Speaker 1: But before we meet them, let's meet our contestants. First up,
Speaker 1: we've got Ava, Ava, Please introduce yourself. Hi, my name's Ava.
Speaker 1: I'm ten years old in a mesqui jumper. You're a
Speaker 1: ski jumper. Oh my goodness. Now, how do you train
Speaker 1: for that? When there's not snow on the ground. You
Speaker 1: can actually ski jump in the summer. You ski jump
Speaker 1: up on fast state grass. Okay, so it's just some
Speaker 1: thangular chump. I'll say any kind of ski jumping is difficult.
Speaker 1: I tried it once. I strapped skis to my feet
Speaker 1: and I tried jumping, and it's very hard. My skis
Speaker 1: kept getting tangled and I kept falling over and it
Speaker 1: was just difficult. It's hard enough to do a regular jump,
Speaker 1: let al m to jump of skis on your feet.
Speaker 1: So I'm very used. Yeah. Yeah, And Elliott, you were
Speaker 1: on a trampoline with your skis right because you wanted
Speaker 1: to get an even more air yeah for a maximum
Speaker 1: jump itch. Yeah. Yeah, it made it very difficult. A
Speaker 1: lot a lot of luck up, broken skis, bones. Kids,
Speaker 1: don't try it. Don't try Leave the ski jumping to
Speaker 1: the professionals. That's right. Well, thank you so much, Ava,
Speaker 1: and with us today we also have Lily. Lily, please
Speaker 1: introduce yourself. Hi, my name is Lily, and UM, me
Speaker 1: and my family foster kittens. You foster kittens. That's so amazing.
Speaker 1: Are you currently fostering kittens right now? Um? We actually
Speaker 1: just gave them back a couple of days ago. Okay,
Speaker 1: what were the kittens names? And um, every time that
Speaker 1: you get new foster kittens, do you get to name them? No,
Speaker 1: they already come with names. They're normally named with sets
Speaker 1: of things like bugs or um flowers or condiments or
Speaker 1: something like these kittens named after condiments like a kitten
Speaker 1: name mustard, and a kitten named salt and ketchup, and
Speaker 1: a kitten named a huge handful of butter just a
Speaker 1: handful of bud. Don't judge me. That's a that can
Speaker 1: be a condiment. I like that all right. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you both so much for being here today. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us, and thank you to Eric,
Speaker 1: our musician, providing that lovely meet the contestants music. So
Speaker 1: that's who is now let's find out who was. Walt
Speaker 1: Whitman with four fast facts. Walt Whitman was born in
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen and died in eighteen ninety two and lived
Speaker 1: mostly in Brooklyn, New York. Wal Whitman was an important
Speaker 1: poet who was one of the early adopters of free verse.
Speaker 1: Walt Whitman has been celebrated as an l G B.
Speaker 1: T q I A plus icon based on the themes
Speaker 1: and subjects in his writing. He helped an estimated eighty
Speaker 1: thou and wounded Union soldiers during the Civil War by
Speaker 1: visiting them and bringing them small gifts or helping them
Speaker 1: write letters to their families. Now today is very special
Speaker 1: because not only did Lilian Ever read the who was
Speaker 1: Walt witt In book, we also asked them to read
Speaker 1: a poem of all woman's and give us their thoughts
Speaker 1: about it. The poem is entitled I dreamed in a dream,
Speaker 1: and our contestants are going to read it for us
Speaker 1: right now. I dreamed in a dream. I saw a
Speaker 1: city invincefult the attacks of the whole of the rest
Speaker 1: of the earth. I dreamed that was the new city
Speaker 1: of Friends. Nothing was greater there than the quality of
Speaker 1: robust love. It was seen every hour in the actions
Speaker 1: of the men of that city, and in all their
Speaker 1: looks and words. It's funny because poems are made of words,
Speaker 1: but it can be hard to put their meaning into
Speaker 1: words sometimes. And does this feel like to you? Is
Speaker 1: it wish? Is it a prophecy? Is it a fantasy?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a curse? A curse? Is something
Speaker 1: he's seen or fears or yearns for. What do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you get from this film?
Speaker 1: In that way? He liked range. I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: He does say I dreamed in a dream in the beginning. Okay,
Speaker 1: good point, good point you picked up on. We would
Speaker 1: call that the internal evidence of the poem. Do you
Speaker 1: think this was a good dream or a nightmare? This
Speaker 1: dream of a city of friends where love was felt everywhere?
Speaker 1: Good one? Yeah, yeah, probably a good dream, Probably a
Speaker 1: good dream. He doesn't say anything in it about like
Speaker 1: a monster coming in or he looks down and he's
Speaker 1: just in his underpants. That that would make it more
Speaker 1: of a nademare That would definitely made more of a nightmare.
Speaker 1: So now, Lily, I heard that you were going to
Speaker 1: change them a couple of word or a word in here,
Speaker 1: and instead of saying it was seen every hour in
Speaker 1: the actions of the men of that city, and you
Speaker 1: had some different thoughts about that, right, you thought I
Speaker 1: should read it a little bit differently. Um, My thought
Speaker 1: instead of men, it should be people. So it feels
Speaker 1: like to me when I heard that you had thought
Speaker 1: about that, I was like, oh the least totally right
Speaker 1: about this because in this poem, I think when Walt
Speaker 1: Woman says men of that city, I think he's using
Speaker 1: like the royal men as if to refer to everyone, right, men, women, children, uh,
Speaker 1: everyone who lived in the city, foster kittens, foster kittens. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you both so much for taking the time to
Speaker 1: read that poemb and to put some good thought into it,
Speaker 1: and um for sharing your amazing talents with the Who
Speaker 1: Was Podcast and being our poetry readers. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it. It's our first game. It's called
Speaker 1: true or false false false false? Or is a true?
Speaker 1: It is a true that it was false it was true?
Speaker 1: Or true true poor false. There's no poetic metaphor here.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what it sounds like for this game. Be
Speaker 1: will read a statement. If you will, then let us
Speaker 1: know if that statement is true or suspense suspense suspense?
Speaker 1: What could it be faulse false? That's right, Ava, you
Speaker 1: were up first, take it away. Being Walt was the
Speaker 1: valedictorian of his class and gave a graduation speech at
Speaker 1: his high school that was not surprisingly. I think that's false.
Speaker 1: You're exactly right. That is false. Walt's family struggled to
Speaker 1: make ends meet, so we dropped up school at age
Speaker 1: eleven and started apprenticing for a group of lawyers. One
Speaker 1: lawyer got him a library card, where Walt discovered novels
Speaker 1: and poetry. Whalt read as much as he could, and
Speaker 1: he felt this was the most important thing that had
Speaker 1: ever happened to him. While we hear it, who was
Speaker 1: do not condone dropping out of school at eleven. Stay
Speaker 1: in school, kids. We do encourage getting a library card.
Speaker 1: It's free books, people, There's nothing better than that. Okay,
Speaker 1: the next question is for it lily true or false.
Speaker 1: Walt's first job, running a newspaper, showed up all of
Speaker 1: his talents, from writing to editing and printing to horseback writing.
Speaker 1: While he made newspaper delivery. I think that's true. You're right,
Speaker 1: that's true. His work as a printing a print us
Speaker 1: learning the way newspapers used to be made on a
Speaker 1: printing press. Taught the young poet as much about writing
Speaker 1: as it did printing. Unfortunately, the first paper he was
Speaker 1: in charge of, The Long Islander, was appropriately named. People
Speaker 1: waited a long time between publications because Walt just put
Speaker 1: out issues whenever he felt like. It wasn't a daily,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a weekly. It was a win. Ever, Lee,
Speaker 1: the owners of the paper fired him. But pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: He was able to learn so much about good rating
Speaker 1: by just being around a printing press. Okay eva, This
Speaker 1: next question is for you true or false. Walt Whitman
Speaker 1: called his style of writing free verse because he felt
Speaker 1: weird about charging people to buy his books, and he
Speaker 1: just gave them away. Uh. I think you're right. That's false.
Speaker 1: They do have a place that books are given away,
Speaker 1: that's a library, but that's not what this was about.
Speaker 1: As a library. Go to your library. It's great. It
Speaker 1: was called free verse because it was free of a
Speaker 1: traditional structure. Free verse has no rhyme, scheme, no word count.
Speaker 1: Each poem just exists its own thing. Man leading thinker
Speaker 1: of the time, Ralph Waldo Emerson, had put out the
Speaker 1: challenge for someone to create a new American style of
Speaker 1: poetry that wasn't just a copy of what the European
Speaker 1: poets were doing, and Walt Whitman was the first American
Speaker 1: poet to do this. It was pretty radical for the time.
Speaker 1: And speaking of a radical, Lily, this laxt question is
Speaker 1: for you and your radical Walt didn't limit himself to
Speaker 1: writing poetry. He also wrote a novel, newspaper articles, and
Speaker 1: he wrote positive reviews of his own book when everyone
Speaker 1: else was writing bad reviews of it. Is that true
Speaker 1: or fault true? That's right, it's true. Most people know
Speaker 1: Walt wrote newspaper articles in the novel that they may
Speaker 1: be shocked to learn that he anonymously wrote good reviews
Speaker 1: of his first book of poetry. But even those positive
Speaker 1: reviews and the praise of Ralph Waldo Emerson didn't really
Speaker 1: help the book sell many copies. Walt believed in his
Speaker 1: own work, though, and kept writing, and today is still
Speaker 1: considered one of America's greatest poets. So I guess all
Speaker 1: those positive book reviews he wrote well deceitful and we
Speaker 1: would never recommend you doing it were correct, and he
Speaker 1: was right to do. And that's the end of the game.
Speaker 1: True true, true, true, powful and now let's hear some
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful stands of poetry. To my ears
Speaker 1: producer Jane telling us the scores. Billy, it didn't be.
Speaker 1: I've got to tell you that what we have here
Speaker 1: is a tie two point each. Thank you, Jane. I'll
Speaker 1: keep us saying. There's lots more game and your presence
Speaker 1: we hope to retain after this short reframe. Well, well, well, Elliott,
Speaker 1: Walt Whitman's work was all about not rhyming. What are
Speaker 1: you doing. I'm getting into this freethinking spirit and breaking
Speaker 1: the mold by bringing the molds back, and now I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about molds. Gross, Eric, play us out with some
Speaker 1: Brooklyn music. Please, I'm walking here. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Who Was Podcast. When we last left off, Eva had
Speaker 1: two points and Lily had two points. And now fact
Speaker 1: to your host, Elliot Galin thank you be. In the
Speaker 1: last round, we learned all about Walt Whitman, and so
Speaker 1: now we must venture forth and learn about our other
Speaker 1: famous figure. For today, Sir Ernest Shackleton with four fast
Speaker 1: facts Prospects. Sir Ernest Shackleton was born in eighteen seventy
Speaker 1: four and died in nineteen twenty two, Ernest Shackleton led
Speaker 1: three British expeditions to the Antarctic. He was knighted by
Speaker 1: King Edward the Seventh for the farthest Antarctic exploration and
Speaker 1: for climbing Mount Erebus, an active and Arctic volcano. One
Speaker 1: of his ships, the Endurance, was trapped by pack ice
Speaker 1: in nineteen fourteen, and its remains weren't discovered until two
Speaker 1: that's one hundred and eight years later. Look it up.
Speaker 1: It's awesome prospects, Lily, Ava, If you could explore anywhere,
Speaker 1: where would you explore? Because Shackleton was very focused on
Speaker 1: the Antarctic. He was all about ice. He was all
Speaker 1: about that ice ice baby. So I'm wondering if you
Speaker 1: had a chance and an opportunity to explore anywhere, where
Speaker 1: would it be, Lily. I would go to England. You
Speaker 1: go to England and explore England? Okay, yeah, what about
Speaker 1: England really calls to you? Um? I love English accents,
Speaker 1: So so each time you hear someone speaking in English accidents,
Speaker 1: like they're saying, come and explore in England's cool. I
Speaker 1: love that? And Eva, what about you? I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I would explore I think that if
Speaker 1: I were to explore anywhere, if I physically could, because
Speaker 1: I'm so scared of this, I would explore the deepest
Speaker 1: parts of the ocean because more people have been into
Speaker 1: space than have gone so far into the ocean, and
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm terrified as to what we might find
Speaker 1: down there. It just feels like such an unknown. I
Speaker 1: totally get that, because similarly, I would like to explore
Speaker 1: in the back of my refrigerator, because it's like the
Speaker 1: front stuff, the things in the front, they make it
Speaker 1: hard to see what's in the back, and who knows
Speaker 1: what's back there. I don't know even know if my
Speaker 1: lifetime is gonna in my lifetime, if we're gonna end
Speaker 1: up back there or not. There's just so much hidden there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what. Every now and then I
Speaker 1: hear something or smell something, and I'm like, what wonders,
Speaker 1: What untold things are yet to be discovered in the
Speaker 1: back of this refrigerator. Yeah, and I mean, now, for
Speaker 1: the for the second time on this show, Elliott, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about mold. Oh no, mold, dude, gross. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you for all that. I think. I hope everyone, I
Speaker 1: hope uh Lily, you get to explore England. That eva
Speaker 1: you find a place. Who want to explore? Be? Maybe
Speaker 1: you want to go to the bottom of the sea.
Speaker 1: And I hope everyone's knighted for all of your explirations
Speaker 1: except for you Be. I think the power would probably
Speaker 1: go to your head. Absolutely. So let's move on to
Speaker 1: our next game, which I hope has nothing in it
Speaker 1: about mold. It's called Backpack from the Past from the
Speaker 1: Best I'm a backpack into in some of Ernest Shacklin's
Speaker 1: personal objects. B and I are going to describe those
Speaker 1: objects for a contestants and the listeners at home. Contestants,
Speaker 1: you tell us what part of his life the object is.
Speaker 1: From listeners at home, you can also tell us what
Speaker 1: we won't hear you. We recorded this already and you're
Speaker 1: talking to your headphones. And because this is our second round,
Speaker 1: each question is worth two points. Lily, you're up first.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's a large wooden log. Why would this
Speaker 1: be significant enough to include an Ernest Shackleton's backpack. Is
Speaker 1: it a the log he used to stand on at
Speaker 1: his farm and pretend he was on a ship, or
Speaker 1: b it's his lucky log that he drew eyes on
Speaker 1: and treated like a friend when he was stranded after
Speaker 1: a shipwreck. Um A, yes, the answer is a Ernest.
Speaker 1: Shackleton was British but raised in Ireland. He came from
Speaker 1: a big family, but knew even as a young boy
Speaker 1: that he wanted to be out on the high seas,
Speaker 1: exploring and looking for adventure. He left school at the
Speaker 1: age of sixteen to be an apprentice on a ship
Speaker 1: and worked his way up through the Thanks alright, this
Speaker 1: next item is for Eva. WHOA, it's a hot air balloon. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is one big backpack. Why is this in our
Speaker 1: backpack from the past? Is it because a Ernest took
Speaker 1: some of the first aerial photographs of the Antarctic in
Speaker 1: this hot air balloon? Or be he once tried to
Speaker 1: reach the South Pole in a hot air balloon. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's you are pretty sure and you're right.
Speaker 1: The answer is a earnest. First trip to the Antarctic
Speaker 1: was in nineteen hundred of the English naval officer Robert
Speaker 1: Falcon Scott on the ship Discovery Good Name. It was
Speaker 1: on this trip that Shackleton took some of the first
Speaker 1: aerial photographs of Antarctica. Discovery didn't reach the South Pole,
Speaker 1: and Shackleton and Scott became bitter rivals, raising each other
Speaker 1: to be the first to reach the South Pole. Twist,
Speaker 1: neither of them were the first. A Norwegian expedition led
Speaker 1: by Roald Ammonson was the first to get there. Okay,
Speaker 1: the next object is for Lily. Let's see what's in
Speaker 1: this backpack. It's a pair of free book be Are
Speaker 1: you using the backpack from the past as your personal backpack?
Speaker 1: We told you not to do that. Okay, No, those
Speaker 1: definitely belonged to Ernest. They are not vegan for Okay, Lily,
Speaker 1: Are they there because a Ernest gave up exploring for
Speaker 1: a few years and became a fashion designer? Or b
Speaker 1: These boots are made from reindeer skin and Arctic explorers
Speaker 1: used to keep warm. B That's right. The answer is be.
Speaker 1: These boots were made for walking in snow. Let joke
Speaker 1: about a song. Well, today explorers have space age technology
Speaker 1: to keep them warm. Explorers of Shackleton's time relied on
Speaker 1: fur sealskin canvas, and woolf to keep them from freezing.
Speaker 1: They wore glass goggles in the icy wind and camped
Speaker 1: in tense and small huts. Made of quirk and felt.
Speaker 1: I get cold just thinking about it. Okay, the last
Speaker 1: question is for Ava. Oh my goodness, it's a hello,
Speaker 1: still away, rude. I have a name. It's Percy Blackborrow. Okay,
Speaker 1: can you tell us why this Percy Blackborough fellow would
Speaker 1: be hiding in our backpack from the past? Is it
Speaker 1: that A he was the stowaway on Shackleton's ship Endurance
Speaker 1: or B. Tickets to a live taping of the Huah's
Speaker 1: podcast are super hard to get. I think that's a.
Speaker 1: You're correct. The answer is A. I was a stowaway
Speaker 1: on Shackleton's ship Endurance, and once I was discovered, I
Speaker 1: took a job helping out the ship's cook. It was
Speaker 1: an adventure of a lifetime. Were stuck on the ice
Speaker 1: for ten months, but Shackleton kept us all in good spirits.
Speaker 1: I got to see penguins, seals, and the Southern Lights.
Speaker 1: I was stranded on Elephant Island and lost my foot
Speaker 1: to frostbite. WHOA, you've lost your foot to frostbite. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's the price of adventure. That's enough out of you, Percy.
Speaker 1: Now back in the backpack, Hey, is that a walrus
Speaker 1: over there? A Walris Geraldine, do you have a plate today? Oh,
Speaker 1: he's just distracting me so he can run away. Scotto,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Oh great, Now there's a stowaway.
Speaker 1: Loosen the studio get I hate it when that happens,
Speaker 1: and I hate that. That was the end of the
Speaker 1: game from the best. Now let's check with producer Jane
Speaker 1: to see how our contestants are stilling away these points.
Speaker 1: B and Elliott. I'm not to blame, but Ava and
Speaker 1: Lily's scores are the same. Yes, it's a poem, six
Speaker 1: points each. Oh my goodness. Wow, Well that is fantastic,
Speaker 1: and what a great game between these two adventurous contestants.
Speaker 1: They are adventurous and I should know Ernest, Yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: and I came hea via the who was app Who
Speaker 1: was that you want to read somewhere in the past.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness you're here. We have a of a stowaway problem,
Speaker 1: and we would love your You mean, Percy, Percy, you're rapscallion.
Speaker 1: Oh captain, my captain, good to see your lad. Hey,
Speaker 1: did you know you just quoted a poem by our
Speaker 1: other famous figure today, Walter Whitman. Yeah, of course he
Speaker 1: knows that he may be a stowaway, but he's no philistine.
Speaker 1: And I've come here today with a task of a
Speaker 1: somewhat poetic nature. I've got a new ship, and I
Speaker 1: need a good name, Prick. My other ships had great names,
Speaker 1: the Aurora, the Endurance, and of course Nimrod. Day, you're
Speaker 1: laughing again, No, you laughed when I said nim rocks.
Speaker 1: There's just again you're laughing. No, sorry, it was something
Speaker 1: from before, all right. Well as for the nim Rocks,
Speaker 1: he still laughing at me. It means someone who is
Speaker 1: a great hunter. Sorry, but that's not what that word
Speaker 1: really means anymore. If you called someone that word today,
Speaker 1: it would not be a compliment. I would take this
Speaker 1: as a compliment if you called me a nimrods them
Speaker 1: start all right, all right, that's enough, sir. Ernest Shackleton
Speaker 1: traveled through time to come and meet you, and all
Speaker 1: you can do is laugh at him, Elliott, I expected
Speaker 1: this from you, But be how juvenile? Okay? Sorry, but
Speaker 1: today nimrod means not smart, a dim wit, a goose,
Speaker 1: a buffoon, a chowder ahead, a fool. Okay, okay, I
Speaker 1: think we get the picture. And why did you get
Speaker 1: all those examples, are you carrying a dictionary around with
Speaker 1: you or something? Sort of? We just googled other words
Speaker 1: for nimrod. Wait what was that word you just said? Googled? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: what does that word mean? Google? It's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to explain, but it's when you put a bunch of
Speaker 1: search terms into Yahoo dot com to find the answer
Speaker 1: to your question. What a beautiful word? I love it?
Speaker 1: And if you called someone a Google, that wouldn't be
Speaker 1: an insult. Not exactly excellent. I can't wait for all
Speaker 1: the adventures I'm about to have on the Google. That's funny.
Speaker 1: That's what I say most mornings. Not a moment to
Speaker 1: lose it. Thank you for helping me name my new ship?
Speaker 1: And thanks again? Who was happily? Who? Well? That was interesting?
Speaker 1: It shure was Percy. You're still here, yep? And while
Speaker 1: I'm here, I may as well make myself useful and
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere? Who was? As the is one more
Speaker 1: game left to go, We'll be back after this short break.
Speaker 1: Eric play us some endurance music please see it's my
Speaker 1: job to ask Eric to play music. Eric, can you
Speaker 1: play some in germs music? Please? Okay? How long can
Speaker 1: this bit go? Sally, who was there? Sim Marie Curie.
Speaker 1: You may remember me from winning multiple Nobel prizes, or
Speaker 1: perhaps from my episode of the Who Worst Podcast where
Speaker 1: I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to
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Speaker 1: or should I stay Abbien do? Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Who Was Podcast. I'm a scowaway, Percy Blackborow and I've
Speaker 1: escaped from the backpack from the past. Now back to
Speaker 1: your host, Elliott Kaylin. Thank you, Percy, though it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird to have you announced the show. Well, be
Speaker 1: is sitting right there eating a burrito during great for
Speaker 1: a seat, passa sausa? Okay, and now for our last game,
Speaker 1: Converge of Greatness. In this multiple choice game, we'll explore
Speaker 1: how our famous figures connect, overlap, or converge. Choose the
Speaker 1: best answer for each question be asked to, and because
Speaker 1: this is the third game, each question as worth three
Speaker 1: huge points. Ava Europe. First taken Away, Percy. Both Ernest
Speaker 1: and Walt lived through big wars. For Walt it was
Speaker 1: the American Civil War, but Ernest Shackleton was about to
Speaker 1: set sail on the Endurance on the eve of World
Speaker 1: War One when he offered to postpone the trip so
Speaker 1: that his crew could serve in the British Army. What
Speaker 1: phrase did the King give him in response granting him
Speaker 1: permission to go on with the trip as planned? A proceed,
Speaker 1: B miss me with that or see no worries. I
Speaker 1: think it was proceed. You're right the answers a proceed.
Speaker 1: The King felt it was more important for the crew
Speaker 1: to go ahead with the trip the interns would eventually
Speaker 1: be trapped. When he could no longer make it through
Speaker 1: the icy waters before it sank, The crew set up
Speaker 1: camp on the frozen sea, where they ended up living
Speaker 1: for months, but amazingly, all of the crew members survived.
Speaker 1: The next question is for Lily take it Away, Percy.
Speaker 1: When Walt Whitman wrote, oh Captain, my captain, he wasn't
Speaker 1: talking about Ernest Shackleton even though Ernest was a sea captain,
Speaker 1: who was Walt Whitman talking about a captain kangaroo B
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln or Captain Jack B. That's right, The answer
Speaker 1: is B. What Whitman was devastated when President Lincoln was
Speaker 1: assassinated in eighteen sixty five. He shared Lincoln's vision for
Speaker 1: in America without slavery and a unified country. Another one
Speaker 1: of Whitman's famous poems, When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloomed,
Speaker 1: is also about the death of Abraham Lincoln and later
Speaker 1: in life Whitman toward giving lectures about the president. Yes,
Speaker 1: Whitman was an Abraham stand Next question is for ava.
Speaker 1: Both Shackleton and Whitman are buried in places that have
Speaker 1: deep significance. For that, Whitman is buried in his beloved
Speaker 1: city of Camden, New Jersey, where there's even a bridge
Speaker 1: named after him. And Shackleton's final resting place is this
Speaker 1: island A, the Isle of Manhattan, B South Georgia Island
Speaker 1: or C the I'll see you later. Ah, I think
Speaker 1: that's right. The answer is B or. Ernest was setting
Speaker 1: off on yet another adventure after the endurance trip in
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one. He suffered a heart attack early on
Speaker 1: in the trip, then recovered in Brazil. The ships at
Speaker 1: sail again. For Ernest died from a heart attack at
Speaker 1: a whaling station at South Georgia Island. Soon after. His
Speaker 1: wife Emily decided he should be buried there because quote,
Speaker 1: he would want to remain in those cold southern lands
Speaker 1: he had loved so much, how beautiful. Next and final
Speaker 1: question is for Lily. Final question, here we go. Both
Speaker 1: Walt and Ernest kept returning to our particular subject over
Speaker 1: and over again in their lives. For Ernest this was
Speaker 1: a geographical location, the Antarctic, but for Whitman, it was
Speaker 1: a book of poems that he kept returning to and
Speaker 1: rewrote many times. Was the name of that book? A
Speaker 1: Leaves of Grass B Poetry for Dummies or ce Hamlet
Speaker 1: A that's right, the answers. A Leaves of Breast had
Speaker 1: six editions or publications between eighteen fifty five and eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty two. It contained two hundred and ninety three poems
Speaker 1: that Walt kept revisings throughout his career, like some kind
Speaker 1: of poetical George Lucas. In two the City of Boston
Speaker 1: said they would ban it if Walt didn't make some
Speaker 1: changes to his poems. Walt refused to be censored, and
Speaker 1: Leaves of Grass was pulled from bookstore shelves in Boston,
Speaker 1: but that scandal helped sales of the book in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: where it's sold over six thousand copies. Whitman more like
Speaker 1: win Man because he won that battle and that's the
Speaker 1: end of the round. The end of that game means
Speaker 1: it's just about the end of the show. While Jane
Speaker 1: Tally is up the final scores, I would love to
Speaker 1: hear from the contestants. What was something you were surprised
Speaker 1: to learn about Ernest Shackleton or Walt Whitman. Ava what
Speaker 1: surprised you but either of our famous figures that Ernest
Speaker 1: Shampo Finch sunk his ship in ice. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: interesting he used such a beloved figure. Uh, but you know,
Speaker 1: you don't think of someone who's like, oh, I kind
Speaker 1: of didn't come my mission and he still got knighted.
Speaker 1: But the important thing was that everyone on his crew
Speaker 1: came back um alive and safe, and he wasn't deterred
Speaker 1: by that. He went on to to do another mission.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty great. It's like, the most inspiring about
Speaker 1: Ernest Shackleton is less that he accomplished something great and
Speaker 1: more that he just kept trying no matter what. Lily,
Speaker 1: what about you? What surprised you about Ernics Shackleton or
Speaker 1: Walt Whitman. Um, I thought that it was really cool
Speaker 1: that Ernest Shackleton like did plays and took pictures from
Speaker 1: a parachute while he was still on his missions. That
Speaker 1: there's more to him than just see Captain King. He
Speaker 1: had lots and lots of things that he did. He
Speaker 1: contained multitude, He did contain multitudes. Maybe wal Whitman should
Speaker 1: been writing about Ernest Shackleton. Yeah, you know what they
Speaker 1: should have called his ship, the Walt, the Walt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should have called it the Yeah, the the the
Speaker 1: S S Walt. That's this is Swalt. Oh yeah, you're right, people,
Speaker 1: I think it would be called the s Swalt. That's
Speaker 1: not maybe that's not so great. Well, thank you both
Speaker 1: for sharing the things that stuck with you about those figures.
Speaker 1: Now it's time for the big moment. Jane, please announced
Speaker 1: our winner. May I announced them in the form of
Speaker 1: a poem? Yes, please please, Shackleton explored. Whitman wrote poems
Speaker 1: Lily had twelve points and so did Eva. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful example of free first poetry. Jane, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really set us up for rhymes and then didn't
Speaker 1: have any because it was still a beautiful poem with
Speaker 1: a beautiful message, which is that we have a tie
Speaker 1: on the show today. Amazing. Eva and Lily, you are
Speaker 1: both winners and you both get ten seconds for shoutouts
Speaker 1: to thank those who got you to this victory. Lily,
Speaker 1: would you go first? Who would you like to shout
Speaker 1: out to? Um? I'd like to thank my family, the librarians,
Speaker 1: and my pets. Wonderful, the big three is there known?
Speaker 1: That's fantastic? And Eva, who would you like to thank
Speaker 1: my family? My cats? Uh and my daughter? Oh good?
Speaker 1: All right, we got some love for the dogs there too. Finally,
Speaker 1: after all this cat talk, it's nice for the dogs
Speaker 1: to finally have their day. Our winners and their libraries
Speaker 1: of choice were receiving a selection of who was books
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give a shout out of my
Speaker 1: own to Intern Zach, Jane Eric and Zach Timpson. He
Speaker 1: sounds a little bit like intern Zach for being our
Speaker 1: Percy blackborrow and Chris Ferry for being our Earnest Shackleton,
Speaker 1: and of course a thank you to be and then
Speaker 1: the biggest thank you of all to both of our contestants,
Speaker 1: and then an even bigger biggest thank you of all
Speaker 1: to you wherever you are for listening, Thanks for hearing
Speaker 1: these two amazing attestants play an amazing game. Next week,
Speaker 1: join us again as we find out who Was two
Speaker 1: more amazing figures from history. Until then, this is Elliott
Speaker 1: Leaves of Grasscalin saying We're history. Goodbye. Everybody got a
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Speaker 1: Elliott Klin with co host Megan O'Neill as be. It
Speaker 1: also starred Jane Baker as Producer, Jane, Eric Shackney as Eric,
Speaker 1: Chris Ferry as Ernest Shackleton, and Zach Timpson as Percy
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