1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Ivy. It's cold in here. I can see my breath. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Did we leave the A CNN in the studio again? Elliott, 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: don't touch that thermostat. I'm getting into the mindset of 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: one of our famous figures from today, the British Antarctic 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: explorer Ernest Shackleton. Here, I brought you an extra fur coat. 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: Thank you, Hey, b which animal has neon pink fur? Oh? Please? 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: It's it vegan? For what makes it vegan? For it's 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: made entirely out of celery, corn and almonds, and it's 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: electric pink. And my coat is electric blue because, like 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: our other famous figure, pioneering American poet Walt Whitman, I 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: wanted to sing the body electric. That's a famous line 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: from one of his poems. Yes, two great figures from 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: history who are inspired by nature in totally different ways. Raspberries. 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: I seem to be allergic to this electric vegan for 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: so now that I can't wear the fur, can we 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: please turn the A C off? Oh, don't worry. I 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: have a backup plan that will keep you warm and 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: make you feel electric. Here. Just grab this for okay, 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: and let's head over to this light socket over here. 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Oh no, I know where this is going. Eric, please 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: play the theme song. Here go. What do you think 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: you know about the rates from this story? The game 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: is on. To get some energy and buckle up your 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: brain because it's time to play the worst podcast. Because 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: it's time to play book Who Live from Tonga Land 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: or so called So Cow Los Angeles? Welcome to Who Was? 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: The history quish show that gives contestants the chance to 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: win mega prizes and podcast glory. I'm your announcer, b 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: and I promise I'm not gonna drone on for too long. 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: And here's your host, the man Who's insurance has Insurance. 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: It's Elliot Kalin. Thank you be you can never be 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: too careful. It's and welcome everyone to the Who Was? Podcast. 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: This show it's like Jeopardy, only the surprise guests, silly games, 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: and hot towels for everyone. Book Our contestants were sent 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: Who Was books about two great figures from history. Now 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: they're here to show off their knowledge in the hope 37 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: subwating fantastic prizes. Today we're learning about the Antarctic explorer 38 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Ernest Shackleton and the poet Walt Whitman. Too pioneering spirits 39 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: who drew inspiration from the natural world in very different ways. 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: But before we meet them, let's meet our contestants. First up, 41 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: we've got Ava, Ava, Please introduce yourself. Hi, my name's Ava. 42 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm ten years old in a mesqui jumper. You're a 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: ski jumper. Oh my goodness. Now, how do you train 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: for that? When there's not snow on the ground. You 45 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: can actually ski jump in the summer. You ski jump 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: up on fast state grass. Okay, so it's just some 47 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: thangular chump. I'll say any kind of ski jumping is difficult. 48 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: I tried it once. I strapped skis to my feet 49 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: and I tried jumping, and it's very hard. My skis 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: kept getting tangled and I kept falling over and it 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: was just difficult. It's hard enough to do a regular jump, 52 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: let al m to jump of skis on your feet. 53 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: So I'm very used. Yeah. Yeah, And Elliott, you were 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: on a trampoline with your skis right because you wanted 55 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: to get an even more air yeah for a maximum 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: jump itch. Yeah. Yeah, it made it very difficult. A 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: lot a lot of luck up, broken skis, bones. Kids, 58 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: don't try it. Don't try Leave the ski jumping to 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: the professionals. That's right. Well, thank you so much, Ava, 60 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: and with us today we also have Lily. Lily, please 61 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: introduce yourself. Hi, my name is Lily, and UM, me 62 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: and my family foster kittens. You foster kittens. That's so amazing. 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: Are you currently fostering kittens right now? Um? We actually 64 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: just gave them back a couple of days ago. Okay, 65 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: what were the kittens names? And um, every time that 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: you get new foster kittens, do you get to name them? No, 67 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: they already come with names. They're normally named with sets 68 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: of things like bugs or um flowers or condiments or 69 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: something like these kittens named after condiments like a kitten 70 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: name mustard, and a kitten named salt and ketchup, and 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: a kitten named a huge handful of butter just a 72 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: handful of bud. Don't judge me. That's a that can 73 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: be a condiment. I like that all right. Well, thank 74 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: you both so much for being here today. Thank you 75 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: so much for joining us, and thank you to Eric, 76 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: our musician, providing that lovely meet the contestants music. So 77 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: that's who is now let's find out who was. Walt 78 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: Whitman with four fast facts. Walt Whitman was born in 79 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen and died in eighteen ninety two and lived 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: mostly in Brooklyn, New York. Wal Whitman was an important 81 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: poet who was one of the early adopters of free verse. 82 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Walt Whitman has been celebrated as an l G B. 83 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: T q I A plus icon based on the themes 84 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: and subjects in his writing. He helped an estimated eighty 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: thou and wounded Union soldiers during the Civil War by 86 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: visiting them and bringing them small gifts or helping them 87 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: write letters to their families. Now today is very special 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: because not only did Lilian Ever read the who was 89 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Walt witt In book, we also asked them to read 90 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: a poem of all woman's and give us their thoughts 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: about it. The poem is entitled I dreamed in a dream, 92 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: and our contestants are going to read it for us 93 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: right now. I dreamed in a dream. I saw a 94 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: city invincefult the attacks of the whole of the rest 95 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: of the earth. I dreamed that was the new city 96 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: of Friends. Nothing was greater there than the quality of 97 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: robust love. It was seen every hour in the actions 98 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: of the men of that city, and in all their 99 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: looks and words. It's funny because poems are made of words, 100 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: but it can be hard to put their meaning into 101 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: words sometimes. And does this feel like to you? Is 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: it wish? Is it a prophecy? Is it a fantasy? 103 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a curse? A curse? Is something 104 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: he's seen or fears or yearns for. What do you think? 105 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: What do you what do you get from this film? 106 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: In that way? He liked range. I guess that's true. 107 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,559 Speaker 1: He does say I dreamed in a dream in the beginning. Okay, 108 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: good point, good point you picked up on. We would 109 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: call that the internal evidence of the poem. Do you 110 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: think this was a good dream or a nightmare? This 111 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: dream of a city of friends where love was felt everywhere? 112 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: Good one? Yeah, yeah, probably a good dream, Probably a 113 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: good dream. He doesn't say anything in it about like 114 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: a monster coming in or he looks down and he's 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: just in his underpants. That that would make it more 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: of a nademare That would definitely made more of a nightmare. 117 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: So now, Lily, I heard that you were going to 118 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: change them a couple of word or a word in here, 119 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: and instead of saying it was seen every hour in 120 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: the actions of the men of that city, and you 121 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: had some different thoughts about that, right, you thought I 122 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: should read it a little bit differently. Um, My thought 123 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: instead of men, it should be people. So it feels 124 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: like to me when I heard that you had thought 125 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: about that, I was like, oh the least totally right 126 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: about this because in this poem, I think when Walt 127 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: Woman says men of that city, I think he's using 128 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: like the royal men as if to refer to everyone, right, men, women, children, uh, 129 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: everyone who lived in the city, foster kittens, foster kittens. Well, 130 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: thank you both so much for taking the time to 131 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: read that poemb and to put some good thought into it, 132 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: and um for sharing your amazing talents with the Who 133 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: Was Podcast and being our poetry readers. We really appreciate it. 134 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: Let's get to it. It's our first game. It's called 135 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: true or false false false false? Or is a true? 136 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: It is a true that it was false it was true? 137 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: Or true true poor false. There's no poetic metaphor here. 138 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: It's exactly what it sounds like for this game. Be 139 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: will read a statement. If you will, then let us 140 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: know if that statement is true or suspense suspense suspense? 141 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: What could it be faulse false? That's right, Ava, you 142 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: were up first, take it away. Being Walt was the 143 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: valedictorian of his class and gave a graduation speech at 144 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: his high school that was not surprisingly. I think that's false. 145 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: You're exactly right. That is false. Walt's family struggled to 146 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: make ends meet, so we dropped up school at age 147 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: eleven and started apprenticing for a group of lawyers. One 148 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: lawyer got him a library card, where Walt discovered novels 149 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: and poetry. Whalt read as much as he could, and 150 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: he felt this was the most important thing that had 151 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: ever happened to him. While we hear it, who was 152 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: do not condone dropping out of school at eleven. Stay 153 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: in school, kids. We do encourage getting a library card. 154 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: It's free books, people, There's nothing better than that. Okay, 155 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: the next question is for it lily true or false. 156 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: Walt's first job, running a newspaper, showed up all of 157 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: his talents, from writing to editing and printing to horseback writing. 158 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: While he made newspaper delivery. I think that's true. You're right, 159 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: that's true. His work as a printing a print us 160 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: learning the way newspapers used to be made on a 161 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: printing press. Taught the young poet as much about writing 162 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: as it did printing. Unfortunately, the first paper he was 163 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: in charge of, The Long Islander, was appropriately named. People 164 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: waited a long time between publications because Walt just put 165 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: out issues whenever he felt like. It wasn't a daily, 166 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't a weekly. It was a win. Ever, Lee, 167 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the owners of the paper fired him. But pretty impressive. 168 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: He was able to learn so much about good rating 169 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: by just being around a printing press. Okay eva, This 170 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: next question is for you true or false. Walt Whitman 171 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: called his style of writing free verse because he felt 172 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: weird about charging people to buy his books, and he 173 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: just gave them away. Uh. I think you're right. That's false. 174 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: They do have a place that books are given away, 175 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: that's a library, but that's not what this was about. 176 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: As a library. Go to your library. It's great. It 177 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: was called free verse because it was free of a 178 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: traditional structure. Free verse has no rhyme, scheme, no word count. 179 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: Each poem just exists its own thing. Man leading thinker 180 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: of the time, Ralph Waldo Emerson, had put out the 181 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: challenge for someone to create a new American style of 182 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: poetry that wasn't just a copy of what the European 183 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: poets were doing, and Walt Whitman was the first American 184 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: poet to do this. It was pretty radical for the time. 185 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: And speaking of a radical, Lily, this laxt question is 186 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: for you and your radical Walt didn't limit himself to 187 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: writing poetry. He also wrote a novel, newspaper articles, and 188 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: he wrote positive reviews of his own book when everyone 189 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: else was writing bad reviews of it. Is that true 190 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: or fault true? That's right, it's true. Most people know 191 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Walt wrote newspaper articles in the novel that they may 192 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: be shocked to learn that he anonymously wrote good reviews 193 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: of his first book of poetry. But even those positive 194 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: reviews and the praise of Ralph Waldo Emerson didn't really 195 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: help the book sell many copies. Walt believed in his 196 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: own work, though, and kept writing, and today is still 197 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: considered one of America's greatest poets. So I guess all 198 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: those positive book reviews he wrote well deceitful and we 199 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: would never recommend you doing it were correct, and he 200 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: was right to do. And that's the end of the game. 201 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: True true, true, true, powful and now let's hear some 202 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: of the most beautiful stands of poetry. To my ears 203 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: producer Jane telling us the scores. Billy, it didn't be. 204 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: I've got to tell you that what we have here 205 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: is a tie two point each. Thank you, Jane. I'll 206 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: keep us saying. There's lots more game and your presence 207 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: we hope to retain after this short reframe. Well, well, well, Elliott, 208 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: Walt Whitman's work was all about not rhyming. What are 209 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: you doing. I'm getting into this freethinking spirit and breaking 210 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: the mold by bringing the molds back, and now I'm 211 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: thinking about molds. Gross, Eric, play us out with some 212 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: Brooklyn music. Please, I'm walking here. Welcome back to the 213 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: Who Was Podcast. When we last left off, Eva had 214 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: two points and Lily had two points. And now fact 215 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: to your host, Elliot Galin thank you be. In the 216 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: last round, we learned all about Walt Whitman, and so 217 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: now we must venture forth and learn about our other 218 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: famous figure. For today, Sir Ernest Shackleton with four fast 219 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: facts Prospects. Sir Ernest Shackleton was born in eighteen seventy 220 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: four and died in nineteen twenty two, Ernest Shackleton led 221 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: three British expeditions to the Antarctic. He was knighted by 222 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: King Edward the Seventh for the farthest Antarctic exploration and 223 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: for climbing Mount Erebus, an active and Arctic volcano. One 224 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: of his ships, the Endurance, was trapped by pack ice 225 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: in nineteen fourteen, and its remains weren't discovered until two 226 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: that's one hundred and eight years later. Look it up. 227 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: It's awesome prospects, Lily, Ava, If you could explore anywhere, 228 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: where would you explore? Because Shackleton was very focused on 229 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: the Antarctic. He was all about ice. He was all 230 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: about that ice ice baby. So I'm wondering if you 231 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: had a chance and an opportunity to explore anywhere, where 232 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: would it be, Lily. I would go to England. You 233 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: go to England and explore England? Okay, yeah, what about 234 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: England really calls to you? Um? I love English accents, 235 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: So so each time you hear someone speaking in English accidents, 236 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: like they're saying, come and explore in England's cool. I 237 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: love that? And Eva, what about you? I don't. I 238 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: don't know where I would explore I think that if 239 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: I were to explore anywhere, if I physically could, because 240 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm so scared of this, I would explore the deepest 241 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: parts of the ocean because more people have been into 242 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: space than have gone so far into the ocean, and 243 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm terrified as to what we might find 244 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: down there. It just feels like such an unknown. I 245 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: totally get that, because similarly, I would like to explore 246 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: in the back of my refrigerator, because it's like the 247 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: front stuff, the things in the front, they make it 248 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: hard to see what's in the back, and who knows 249 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: what's back there. I don't know even know if my 250 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: lifetime is gonna in my lifetime, if we're gonna end 251 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: up back there or not. There's just so much hidden there, 252 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know what. Every now and then I 253 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: hear something or smell something, and I'm like, what wonders, 254 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: What untold things are yet to be discovered in the 255 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: back of this refrigerator. Yeah, and I mean, now, for 256 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: the for the second time on this show, Elliott, I'm 257 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: thinking about mold. Oh no, mold, dude, gross. Well, thank 258 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: you for all that. I think. I hope everyone, I 259 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: hope uh Lily, you get to explore England. That eva 260 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: you find a place. Who want to explore? Be? Maybe 261 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: you want to go to the bottom of the sea. 262 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: And I hope everyone's knighted for all of your explirations 263 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: except for you Be. I think the power would probably 264 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: go to your head. Absolutely. So let's move on to 265 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: our next game, which I hope has nothing in it 266 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: about mold. It's called Backpack from the Past from the 267 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Best I'm a backpack into in some of Ernest Shacklin's 268 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: personal objects. B and I are going to describe those 269 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: objects for a contestants and the listeners at home. Contestants, 270 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: you tell us what part of his life the object is. 271 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: From listeners at home, you can also tell us what 272 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: we won't hear you. We recorded this already and you're 273 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: talking to your headphones. And because this is our second round, 274 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: each question is worth two points. Lily, you're up first. 275 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's a large wooden log. Why would this 276 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: be significant enough to include an Ernest Shackleton's backpack. Is 277 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: it a the log he used to stand on at 278 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: his farm and pretend he was on a ship, or 279 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: b it's his lucky log that he drew eyes on 280 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: and treated like a friend when he was stranded after 281 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: a shipwreck. Um A, yes, the answer is a Ernest. 282 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: Shackleton was British but raised in Ireland. He came from 283 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: a big family, but knew even as a young boy 284 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: that he wanted to be out on the high seas, 285 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: exploring and looking for adventure. He left school at the 286 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: age of sixteen to be an apprentice on a ship 287 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: and worked his way up through the Thanks alright, this 288 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: next item is for Eva. WHOA, it's a hot air balloon. Wow, 289 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: this is one big backpack. Why is this in our 290 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: backpack from the past? Is it because a Ernest took 291 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: some of the first aerial photographs of the Antarctic in 292 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: this hot air balloon? Or be he once tried to 293 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: reach the South Pole in a hot air balloon. I'm 294 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: pretty sure that's you are pretty sure and you're right. 295 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: The answer is a earnest. First trip to the Antarctic 296 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: was in nineteen hundred of the English naval officer Robert 297 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: Falcon Scott on the ship Discovery Good Name. It was 298 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: on this trip that Shackleton took some of the first 299 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: aerial photographs of Antarctica. Discovery didn't reach the South Pole, 300 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: and Shackleton and Scott became bitter rivals, raising each other 301 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: to be the first to reach the South Pole. Twist, 302 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: neither of them were the first. A Norwegian expedition led 303 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: by Roald Ammonson was the first to get there. Okay, 304 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: the next object is for Lily. Let's see what's in 305 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: this backpack. It's a pair of free book be Are 306 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: you using the backpack from the past as your personal backpack? 307 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: We told you not to do that. Okay, No, those 308 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: definitely belonged to Ernest. They are not vegan for Okay, Lily, 309 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Are they there because a Ernest gave up exploring for 310 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: a few years and became a fashion designer? Or b 311 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: These boots are made from reindeer skin and Arctic explorers 312 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: used to keep warm. B That's right. The answer is be. 313 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: These boots were made for walking in snow. Let joke 314 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: about a song. Well, today explorers have space age technology 315 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: to keep them warm. Explorers of Shackleton's time relied on 316 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: fur sealskin canvas, and woolf to keep them from freezing. 317 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: They wore glass goggles in the icy wind and camped 318 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: in tense and small huts. Made of quirk and felt. 319 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: I get cold just thinking about it. Okay, the last 320 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: question is for Ava. Oh my goodness, it's a hello, 321 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: still away, rude. I have a name. It's Percy Blackborrow. Okay, 322 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: can you tell us why this Percy Blackborough fellow would 323 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: be hiding in our backpack from the past? Is it 324 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: that A he was the stowaway on Shackleton's ship Endurance 325 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: or B. Tickets to a live taping of the Huah's 326 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: podcast are super hard to get. I think that's a. 327 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: You're correct. The answer is A. I was a stowaway 328 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: on Shackleton's ship Endurance, and once I was discovered, I 329 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: took a job helping out the ship's cook. It was 330 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: an adventure of a lifetime. Were stuck on the ice 331 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: for ten months, but Shackleton kept us all in good spirits. 332 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: I got to see penguins, seals, and the Southern Lights. 333 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: I was stranded on Elephant Island and lost my foot 334 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: to frostbite. WHOA, you've lost your foot to frostbite. Ah, 335 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: that's the price of adventure. That's enough out of you, Percy. 336 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: Now back in the backpack, Hey, is that a walrus 337 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: over there? A Walris Geraldine, do you have a plate today? Oh, 338 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: he's just distracting me so he can run away. Scotto, 339 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Oh great, Now there's a stowaway. 340 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: Loosen the studio get I hate it when that happens, 341 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: and I hate that. That was the end of the 342 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: game from the best. Now let's check with producer Jane 343 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: to see how our contestants are stilling away these points. 344 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: B and Elliott. I'm not to blame, but Ava and 345 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Lily's scores are the same. Yes, it's a poem, six 346 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: points each. Oh my goodness. Wow, Well that is fantastic, 347 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: and what a great game between these two adventurous contestants. 348 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: They are adventurous and I should know Ernest, Yes, indeed, 349 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: and I came hea via the who was app Who 350 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: was that you want to read somewhere in the past. 351 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Thank goodness you're here. We have a of a stowaway problem, 352 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: and we would love your You mean, Percy, Percy, you're rapscallion. 353 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: Oh captain, my captain, good to see your lad. Hey, 354 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: did you know you just quoted a poem by our 355 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: other famous figure today, Walter Whitman. Yeah, of course he 356 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: knows that he may be a stowaway, but he's no philistine. 357 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: And I've come here today with a task of a 358 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: somewhat poetic nature. I've got a new ship, and I 359 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: need a good name, Prick. My other ships had great names, 360 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: the Aurora, the Endurance, and of course Nimrod. Day, you're 361 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: laughing again, No, you laughed when I said nim rocks. 362 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: There's just again you're laughing. No, sorry, it was something 363 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: from before, all right. Well as for the nim Rocks, 364 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: he still laughing at me. It means someone who is 365 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: a great hunter. Sorry, but that's not what that word 366 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: really means anymore. If you called someone that word today, 367 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: it would not be a compliment. I would take this 368 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: as a compliment if you called me a nimrods them 369 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: start all right, all right, that's enough, sir. Ernest Shackleton 370 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: traveled through time to come and meet you, and all 371 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: you can do is laugh at him, Elliott, I expected 372 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: this from you, But be how juvenile? Okay? Sorry, but 373 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: today nimrod means not smart, a dim wit, a goose, 374 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: a buffoon, a chowder ahead, a fool. Okay, okay, I 375 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: think we get the picture. And why did you get 376 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: all those examples, are you carrying a dictionary around with 377 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: you or something? Sort of? We just googled other words 378 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: for nimrod. Wait what was that word you just said? Googled? Yes? Yes, 379 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: what does that word mean? Google? It's kind of hard 380 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: to explain, but it's when you put a bunch of 381 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: search terms into Yahoo dot com to find the answer 382 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: to your question. What a beautiful word? I love it? 383 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: And if you called someone a Google, that wouldn't be 384 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: an insult. Not exactly excellent. I can't wait for all 385 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: the adventures I'm about to have on the Google. That's funny. 386 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: That's what I say most mornings. Not a moment to 387 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: lose it. Thank you for helping me name my new ship? 388 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: And thanks again? Who was happily? Who? Well? That was interesting? 389 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: It shure was Percy. You're still here, yep? And while 390 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm here, I may as well make myself useful and 391 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: don't go anywhere? Who was? As the is one more 392 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: game left to go, We'll be back after this short break. 393 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: Eric play us some endurance music please see it's my 394 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: job to ask Eric to play music. Eric, can you 395 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: play some in germs music? Please? Okay? How long can 396 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: this bit go? Sally, who was there? Sim Marie Curie. 397 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: You may remember me from winning multiple Nobel prizes, or 398 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: perhaps from my episode of the Who Worst Podcast where 399 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to 400 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: read one of my favorite reviews about the Who Was Podcast. 401 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: This is from Shaken Bay and it reads loved this 402 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: Me and my little sister love this show more. Please. 403 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: Our faith is Riet Toman. If you want to hear 404 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: your review right on the air, make sure to subscribe, 405 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: like and reviewed to the Worst Podcasts in the I 406 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: Heart Radio up or wherever you give your podcasts revoir 407 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: or should I stay Abbien do? Welcome back to the 408 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: Who Was Podcast. I'm a scowaway, Percy Blackborow and I've 409 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: escaped from the backpack from the past. Now back to 410 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: your host, Elliott Kaylin. Thank you, Percy, though it's kind 411 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: of weird to have you announced the show. Well, be 412 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: is sitting right there eating a burrito during great for 413 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: a seat, passa sausa? Okay, and now for our last game, 414 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: Converge of Greatness. In this multiple choice game, we'll explore 415 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: how our famous figures connect, overlap, or converge. Choose the 416 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 1: best answer for each question be asked to, and because 417 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: this is the third game, each question as worth three 418 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: huge points. Ava Europe. First taken Away, Percy. Both Ernest 419 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: and Walt lived through big wars. For Walt it was 420 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: the American Civil War, but Ernest Shackleton was about to 421 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: set sail on the Endurance on the eve of World 422 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: War One when he offered to postpone the trip so 423 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: that his crew could serve in the British Army. What 424 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: phrase did the King give him in response granting him 425 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: permission to go on with the trip as planned? A proceed, 426 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: B miss me with that or see no worries. I 427 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: think it was proceed. You're right the answers a proceed. 428 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: The King felt it was more important for the crew 429 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: to go ahead with the trip the interns would eventually 430 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: be trapped. When he could no longer make it through 431 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: the icy waters before it sank, The crew set up 432 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: camp on the frozen sea, where they ended up living 433 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: for months, but amazingly, all of the crew members survived. 434 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: The next question is for Lily take it Away, Percy. 435 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: When Walt Whitman wrote, oh Captain, my captain, he wasn't 436 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: talking about Ernest Shackleton even though Ernest was a sea captain, 437 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: who was Walt Whitman talking about a captain kangaroo B 438 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln or Captain Jack B. That's right, The answer 439 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: is B. What Whitman was devastated when President Lincoln was 440 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: assassinated in eighteen sixty five. He shared Lincoln's vision for 441 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: in America without slavery and a unified country. Another one 442 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: of Whitman's famous poems, When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloomed, 443 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: is also about the death of Abraham Lincoln and later 444 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: in life Whitman toward giving lectures about the president. Yes, 445 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: Whitman was an Abraham stand Next question is for ava. 446 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: Both Shackleton and Whitman are buried in places that have 447 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: deep significance. For that, Whitman is buried in his beloved 448 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: city of Camden, New Jersey, where there's even a bridge 449 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: named after him. And Shackleton's final resting place is this 450 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: island A, the Isle of Manhattan, B South Georgia Island 451 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: or C the I'll see you later. Ah, I think 452 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: that's right. The answer is B or. Ernest was setting 453 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: off on yet another adventure after the endurance trip in 454 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one. He suffered a heart attack early on 455 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: in the trip, then recovered in Brazil. The ships at 456 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: sail again. For Ernest died from a heart attack at 457 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: a whaling station at South Georgia Island. Soon after. His 458 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: wife Emily decided he should be buried there because quote, 459 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: he would want to remain in those cold southern lands 460 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: he had loved so much, how beautiful. Next and final 461 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: question is for Lily. Final question, here we go. Both 462 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: Walt and Ernest kept returning to our particular subject over 463 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: and over again in their lives. For Ernest this was 464 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: a geographical location, the Antarctic, but for Whitman, it was 465 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: a book of poems that he kept returning to and 466 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: rewrote many times. Was the name of that book? A 467 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: Leaves of Grass B Poetry for Dummies or ce Hamlet 468 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: A that's right, the answers. A Leaves of Breast had 469 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: six editions or publications between eighteen fifty five and eighteen 470 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: eighty two. It contained two hundred and ninety three poems 471 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: that Walt kept revisings throughout his career, like some kind 472 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: of poetical George Lucas. In two the City of Boston 473 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: said they would ban it if Walt didn't make some 474 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: changes to his poems. Walt refused to be censored, and 475 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: Leaves of Grass was pulled from bookstore shelves in Boston, 476 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: but that scandal helped sales of the book in Philadelphia, 477 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: where it's sold over six thousand copies. Whitman more like 478 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: win Man because he won that battle and that's the 479 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: end of the round. The end of that game means 480 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: it's just about the end of the show. While Jane 481 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: Tally is up the final scores, I would love to 482 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: hear from the contestants. What was something you were surprised 483 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: to learn about Ernest Shackleton or Walt Whitman. Ava what 484 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: surprised you but either of our famous figures that Ernest 485 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: Shampo Finch sunk his ship in ice. Yeah, and it's 486 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: interesting he used such a beloved figure. Uh, but you know, 487 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: you don't think of someone who's like, oh, I kind 488 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: of didn't come my mission and he still got knighted. 489 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: But the important thing was that everyone on his crew 490 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: came back um alive and safe, and he wasn't deterred 491 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: by that. He went on to to do another mission. 492 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: So that's pretty great. It's like, the most inspiring about 493 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: Ernest Shackleton is less that he accomplished something great and 494 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: more that he just kept trying no matter what. Lily, 495 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: what about you? What surprised you about Ernics Shackleton or 496 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: Walt Whitman. Um, I thought that it was really cool 497 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: that Ernest Shackleton like did plays and took pictures from 498 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: a parachute while he was still on his missions. That 499 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: there's more to him than just see Captain King. He 500 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: had lots and lots of things that he did. He 501 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: contained multitude, He did contain multitudes. Maybe wal Whitman should 502 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: been writing about Ernest Shackleton. Yeah, you know what they 503 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: should have called his ship, the Walt, the Walt. Yeah, 504 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: they should have called it the Yeah, the the the 505 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: S S Walt. That's this is Swalt. Oh yeah, you're right, people, 506 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: I think it would be called the s Swalt. That's 507 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: not maybe that's not so great. Well, thank you both 508 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: for sharing the things that stuck with you about those figures. 509 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: Now it's time for the big moment. Jane, please announced 510 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: our winner. May I announced them in the form of 511 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: a poem? Yes, please please, Shackleton explored. Whitman wrote poems 512 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: Lily had twelve points and so did Eva. Oh my gosh, 513 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: what a beautiful example of free first poetry. Jane, thank you. Yeah, 514 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: you really set us up for rhymes and then didn't 515 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: have any because it was still a beautiful poem with 516 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: a beautiful message, which is that we have a tie 517 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: on the show today. Amazing. Eva and Lily, you are 518 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: both winners and you both get ten seconds for shoutouts 519 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: to thank those who got you to this victory. Lily, 520 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: would you go first? Who would you like to shout 521 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: out to? Um? I'd like to thank my family, the librarians, 522 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: and my pets. Wonderful, the big three is there known? 523 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: That's fantastic? And Eva, who would you like to thank 524 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: my family? My cats? Uh and my daughter? Oh good? 525 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: All right, we got some love for the dogs there too. Finally, 526 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: after all this cat talk, it's nice for the dogs 527 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: to finally have their day. Our winners and their libraries 528 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: of choice were receiving a selection of who was books 529 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: And I'm going to give a shout out of my 530 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: own to Intern Zach, Jane Eric and Zach Timpson. He 531 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: sounds a little bit like intern Zach for being our 532 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: Percy blackborrow and Chris Ferry for being our Earnest Shackleton, 533 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: and of course a thank you to be and then 534 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: the biggest thank you of all to both of our contestants, 535 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: and then an even bigger biggest thank you of all 536 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: to you wherever you are for listening, Thanks for hearing 537 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: these two amazing attestants play an amazing game. Next week, 538 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: join us again as we find out who Was two 539 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: more amazing figures from history. Until then, this is Elliott 540 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: Leaves of Grasscalin saying We're history. Goodbye. Everybody got a 541 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: question for any of our famous figures, Send us a 542 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: voice memo at the Who Was Podcast at gmail dot com. 543 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: It might just end up on the show. Who Was 544 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: Podcast is produced by Radio Point, I Heart Media and 545 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: Penguin Workshop and is based on the best selling who 546 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: HQ series published by Penguin. This episode was hosted by 547 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: Elliott Klin with co host Megan O'Neill as be. It 548 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: also starred Jane Baker as Producer, Jane, Eric Shackney as Eric, 549 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: Chris Ferry as Ernest Shackleton, and Zach Timpson as Percy 550 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: Black Borrow. Executive producers are Richard Corson Alex Bach Elliott Klin, 551 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: Megan O'Neil, Daniel Powell, and Houston Snyder. Executive producer for 552 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: Penguin Workshop is Francesco Sadita. Executive producer for iHeart Media 553 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: is Lindsay Hoffman. This episode was written by Megan O'Neil, 554 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: Elliott Calin, and Devin Coleman. It was produced by Bernie 555 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: Kaminsky and Taylor Kowalski. Our talent producer is Jane Baker. 556 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: Our theme song and music were composed and performed by 557 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: Eric Shackney. It was edited and mixed by Kate molden Hower, 558 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: and it was recorded by Alison Worth. Special thanks are 559 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: due to Zach Timpson, Charlotte Dienda, and Michael Lewis Howard. 560 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: Sound services were provided by Great City Posts. Podcast Standard