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Speaker 1: Welcome in.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps the most joyous show in Clay and Buck history

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Speaker 2: so far. Over three years, we've got major Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: wins that have come down today that you may not

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Speaker 2: have heard about. Chevron doctrine, out the window. Jan six cases.

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Speaker 2: Out the window, the Jan six case. We'll talk with

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Speaker 2: our friend Julie Kelly, who has been on top of

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Speaker 2: this for years now. I would say that's coming. But Buck,

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Speaker 2: I thought Biden would be bad. I said this debate

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Speaker 2: was past fail for him, and that the requirement to

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Speaker 2: pass was incredibly low. Yet still Biden was an unmitigated disaster.

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Speaker 1: Five minutes in, heck, two minutes in, and I.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't believe, even knowing how bad he is, and even

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Speaker 2: knowing how mentally and physically deficient he is. The side

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Speaker 2: by side of Trump and Biden was jarring even to me.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, with a full week to prepare, they

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Speaker 2: would have Biden loaded up and he would be mediocre.

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Speaker 2: I think yesterday I said that it would be like

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Speaker 2: a boxing match where both guys go and then lift

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Speaker 2: their arms going to the corners.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't the case.

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Speaker 2: Trump knocked out Biden Mike Tyson style in the first

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Speaker 2: two minutes of this fight, and from that point forward

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Speaker 2: it was a foregone conclusion.

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Speaker 1: What was going to happen?

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Speaker 2: Now, we'll take your calls eight hundred and two two

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Speaker 2: two eight a two. It was so bad that the

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Speaker 2: conversation didn't even go to who won the debate. It

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Speaker 2: went to who's going to be the Democrat Party nominee,

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Speaker 2: which is the ultimate stake bet. And I gotta be

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Speaker 2: honest with you, Buck, After two minutes, I said, I

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Speaker 2: think I want to go a five.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you right now, and I'm telling everybody

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Speaker 3: that I didn't know i'd be in this position. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't certain that such a thing could happen. But the

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Speaker 3: facts are what they are, and that's why today I'm

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Speaker 3: going to resolutely double down.

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Speaker 1: Biden is going to be the nominee.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it's gonna take for everybody to

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Speaker 3: see the truth here. It's gonna be Biden, Harris, There's

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Speaker 3: no other option. It was a horrific debate last night,

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Speaker 3: but you know.

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Speaker 2: The worst debate, the worst debate by a presidential candidate

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Speaker 2: in any of our lives.

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Speaker 1: But you're sticking on the eye.

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Speaker 3: I'm sticking with it. I am not budging an inch.

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Speaker 3: I think all this talk, all this hand ringing is

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Speaker 3: is is malarkey to borrow from Biden. I think it's nonsense. Look,

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Speaker 3: Biden was as awful as you could possibly be. Biden

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Speaker 3: has been a terrible president.

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Speaker 1: Biden is a.

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Speaker 3: Just sociopathically dishonest and rapaciously narcissistic and greedy clown. And

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Speaker 3: yet he is still the President of the United States

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Speaker 3: right now. But I think it's so funny. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot clay last night. First of all, watch

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Speaker 3: the debate, watch it with Carrie. You know, we really

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Speaker 3: took it all in, and then we went right to MSNBC,

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Speaker 3: right to MSNB, your favorite show. And as I said,

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Speaker 3: it was it was like trying to watch that table

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Speaker 3: explain why a family member had done something like horrifically

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Speaker 1: It was like the most oh the looks on their faces.

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Speaker 3: But what's so fascinating is that they all know, they

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Speaker 3: all knew in advance that this is who Joe Biden is.

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Speaker 3: But the game no longer works and we'll get in

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Speaker 3: of like what Joe Scarborough said weeks ago, and they're

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Speaker 3: all liars. And I don't say that just because I

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Speaker 3: disagree with them. These people that go on TV and

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Speaker 3: say Joe Biden, so they're lying to their audience because

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Speaker 3: that's what their audience wants to hear. We don't lie

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Speaker 3: to you. We've been saying this the whole time. We

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Speaker 3: know that Joe Biden isn't up for this. The whole

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Speaker 3: thing is absurd, Clay. The fact that he's president now

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Speaker 3: and has been scary three is scary. He's got seven possible.

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Speaker 2: He's got seven months left as president of the United States,

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Speaker 2: even if he loses, until the new inauguration happens in January.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden can beat Donald Trump in the election.

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Speaker 3: Now that's a different thing than Joe Biden won't be

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Speaker 3: the nominee. That's what I mean. That's why, that's why

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Speaker 2: I think that's why I think they have to move

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Speaker 1: Now here's the challenge doctor Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Jill she is awful and I don't think that she

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Speaker 2: will allow Joe to step down. And the other Biden

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they lose everything.

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Speaker 2: So what happens here if everybody comes to Joe and

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Speaker 2: I think that might well be what happens.

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Speaker 3: Now, how it plays out is Joe Biden is the nominee. Right,

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Speaker 3: there is no mechanism, it does not exist to replace

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden. If Joe Biden wants to continue in as

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Speaker 3: do you think Joe Biden? What else does Joe Biden have?

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Speaker 3: Does anyone think that he wants to not just go

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Speaker 3: this way, in an ignominious collapse. Because because here's what

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Speaker 3: drops Donald Trumps President Donald Trump, Donald Trump will absolutely defeat.

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Speaker 3: And because there is nobody who has the name recognition,

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Speaker 3: and deal with the fact that.

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Speaker 2: This would be a last minute, a last minute switch,

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Speaker 2: undoing all the months of propaganda around Biden and all

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Speaker 2: is gonna do it. It would be like saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've lied to you this whole time. He is a

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Speaker 2: senile buffoon. Now we're gonna give you somebody else that

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Speaker 1: Tell you how they'll do it.

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Speaker 2: If they could get Biden to step down, I think

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Speaker 2: step down. Biden will say, upon reflection, I don't have

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Speaker 2: president for four more years, and I think gets unfair

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Speaker 2: to ask Americans to vote for me for four more years.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to free all my delegates for the August convention.

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Speaker 2: Whomever the person is that's selected will then become the

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Speaker 2: savior of American democracy. Everybody on the Democrat Party will

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Speaker 2: get their talking points and they will.

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Speaker 1: Go out and you know this, this is true.

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Speaker 2: Forty five percent of Americans would vote for a Ham

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Speaker 2: after the five Do you remember who Rick Lazio is,

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Speaker 2: the guy who lost to Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: There are you do? Good? Good, good, pick in the

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Speaker 3: But remember he it was going to be Rudy Giuliani

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Speaker 3: and he got I believe it was cancer. He the

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Speaker 1: It was just like lambs to the slaughter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was no chance that he was going to win.

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Speaker 3: By the way, apparently a very nice guy. I don't

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Speaker 3: the lions down there. And I just if you're the

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Speaker 1: This is the other part of this.

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Speaker 3: Psychologically, you are the guy who is gonna or gal

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Speaker 2: Campaign has been an abject political failure. So correct that that,

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Speaker 2: laugh line. Now it's Joe, No one cares. The people

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Speaker 3: A huge blunder, a huge misk. We've been saying they

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Speaker 2: They wanted Trump, they got Trump, and now they're finding out,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, we don't actually want it to be Trump.

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Speaker 2: I think that they are going to be so first

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Speaker 2: They'll probably be at the Rehoboth Beach place on Monday.

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Speaker 3: But again, we're gonna We're gonna keep coming back to this,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to eyn think oh Buck.

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Speaker 1: Look, they were.

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Speaker 3: Talking about it on MSNBC last night, my favorite news channel.

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Speaker 3: They were talking a lot about Kamala Harris. That is possible.

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Speaker 3: That is possible because you'll tell the Biden voters you

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Speaker 3: the only switch that is feasible and that I could

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Speaker 3: the election. I mean, if you look at him in

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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy does not have that long left.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean to be unkind or on Christian. I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying he's you know, he's he should be spending

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Speaker 3: his family. You know that's what That's what should matter

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Speaker 3: at the stage of his life. No, Instead, he wants

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Speaker 3: there's nobody who you know, this isn't Obama, Hillary two

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Speaker 3: why when you look at this, there's just and I

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Speaker 3: know the Democrats are the ones saying.

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Speaker 3: They say a lot of things. Yeah, they cry about

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Speaker 3: all they cry about climate change. So they're crying about

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Speaker 3: the debate last night.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be Kamala because she's actually would get

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Speaker 1: But she would take the job. She is the VP.

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Speaker 3: The mechanism is there, and her political future, you know,

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Speaker 3: somebody has to take this one for the team, better analogy,

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Speaker 3: take this one for the team.

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Speaker 2: And they said it should be in play for Trump

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Speaker 2: You know, Trump had a We haven't even really gotten

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Speaker 2: from you, am I writer. Is Clay right on this one?

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Speaker 2: This is the big question. Is it gonna be Biden?

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Speaker 2: Some breaking news out on viewership. Forty seven point nine

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a lot, and it is a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's about how many people would watch the AFC or

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Speaker 2: It's half as many, roughly almost a third as many

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Speaker 2: My inclination Buck is that Trump supporters watched in big numbers.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of Biden people are afraid to

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm your reaction. I mean I stand here.

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Speaker 2: About how you know, yeah, it was a bad debate,

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Speaker 2: there's absolutely no part of Joe Biden that if he

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Speaker 3: Well because we've talked in the first hour about how

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Speaker 3: I think you should take this lunatic at his word.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Joe Biden would intervene. No part of

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Speaker 2: I think we've reached the you should have shame phase

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Speaker 2: And so I think you're right, and I think everybody

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Speaker 2: they're going to accelerate the crazy and they want some

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Speaker 2: when people get desperate, they take bigger risks. And when

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Speaker 2: these polls come out after this debate, I think Biden's

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Speaker 1: And we're four months out.

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Speaker 2: I think on July eleventh, there's a decent chance merchand

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Speaker 2: tries to put Trump in prison. I think when that

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court ruling comes down on Monday, giving some sort

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Speaker 2: of presidential immunity to Trump. I think that Chuck can

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Speaker 2: the judge. You just heard us talking about it with

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Speaker 2: Julie Kelly. I think that they are going to engage

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Speaker 2: in crazy behavior in the DC circuit as well. I

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Speaker 2: think Jack Smith may come out with a superseding indictment.

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Speaker 2: They are going to throw everything they can at Trump.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't worked. They're in the hail Mary stage. If

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Speaker 2: you've watched boxing matches, they're basically Biden's in his corner

448
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Speaker 2: now and the cornerman's like, yeah, you better go for

449
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Speaker 2: the knockout. Punch means you leave yourself open for knockout yourself.

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Speaker 2: But you're just well, in a way, you're throwing big punches.

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Speaker 2: That's where they already are, and desperate people sometimes get

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Speaker 2: lucky and land a punch. I think you use the

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Speaker 2: analogy of like a cornered animal, which I think is

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Speaker 2: also true. They're desperate and that's when they get dangerous.

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Speaker 2: That's where the Biden team is right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, we will see.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, there's not a lot of time

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Speaker 3: here for whatever it is. I mean, no one thinks

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Speaker 3: that after the after the convention, there could be a

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Speaker 3: switch made, then if there was, it would just be Kamala.

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Speaker 1: She's the VP. There's absolutely no chance of something other

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Speaker 1: than Kamala.

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Speaker 2: Uh, if it's after the convention, right, So assuming yes,

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Speaker 2: when we get to that, it's it's Biden and Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: And to me, uh, the.

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Speaker 3: The biggest political malpractice in some ways that never gets

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Speaker 3: talked about of all here. If they just had a normal,

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Speaker 3: I mean politically normal vice president, if they had a

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Speaker 3: vice president who wasn't suffering from horrible opinion polls. Yeah, uh, this,

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Biden would have

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Speaker 3: would have said, I'm finishing my term a year ago

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Speaker 3: and I'm too old and I'm passing passing the torch

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Speaker 3: on because there would have been a viable option. And

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Speaker 3: I think Biden would have even seen the pressure beat

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Speaker 3: you great. He doesn't want to go out a loser.

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Speaker 3: I think in Biden's mind, he's doing the Democrats a

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Speaker 3: favor because if you're Joe Biden, you're certain Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: gets crushed by Donald Trump, not even close. And I

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Speaker 3: think that's right. I don't think that's a delusion that

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Speaker 3: Biden's under so if it's him or her, he thinks

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Speaker 3: better that it's him. And I think that a lot

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Speaker 3: of people that are looking at this for over the

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Speaker 3: long run too, would say, you know, at least if

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden loses, that's over and done with for that

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Speaker 3: You've got one more Trump term and then you get

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Speaker 3: to run another Democrat against him. It's not like Trump

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Speaker 3: can get eight years. You don't want to burn one

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Speaker 3: of your good options for the future, you know the people.

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Speaker 3: I know everyone's saying Newsom and Whitmer, Newsim and Whitmer.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is not going to play well in swing states.

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Speaker 3: White working class voters are not going to like Gavin Whitmer. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean sorry, Gavin Whitmer. Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: Pretend you're there, would be chief of staff. You stand

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Speaker 2: to gain a measurable power if your person is elected president.

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Speaker 2: Because I do think this is really interest in question.

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Speaker 2: Would you say no? If you're Gavin Newsom, you know,

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Speaker 2: if Biden loses clear no incumbent running in twenty.

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Speaker 3: It's asking you to take over the football team down

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Speaker 3: two touchdowns in.

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Speaker 1: The fourth quarter as the coach. Yes, do you want

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Speaker 1: do you want.

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Speaker 3: To take over as the coach in that situation, because

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Speaker 3: that's what taking over for Joe Biden in July of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four would be.

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Speaker 1: It would be you are way.

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Speaker 3: Up against it the fundraising issues, I mean, and just

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Speaker 3: also the general public would be like, what a clown show?

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Speaker 3: These Democrats are, what an absurdity because they've been telling

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Speaker 3: us for six months he's fine, he's great, everything's great.

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Speaker 3: Then they're just gonna say, oh, Psyke sorry, He's actually like.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what he would claim is that he

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Speaker 2: got some new diagnosis and he's trying to be honest

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Speaker 2: with the American public. But I mean, he would say

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Speaker 2: we would all see through that. Well, Morning Joe would

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Speaker 2: be like, this is the bravest thing that any president

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Speaker 2: has ever done since you know, he's George Washington relinquishing

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Speaker 2: power at the peak of.

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Speaker 3: His abohamy, Now you're getting the excited for that Morning

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Speaker 3: Joe episode. So it may actually happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's exactly what would happen. We come back.

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Speaker 2: Someone has taken an unbelievable shot at Buck Sexton in

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Speaker 2: the public arena. I don't even know if Buck has

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00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: seen it yet. No, that is an incredible tease. I

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Speaker 2: will share it all with you when we return, but

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Speaker 2: first I have to tell you all about our friends

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Speaker 2: at the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews and all

528
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Speaker 2: of the incredible work that they are doing out there

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Speaker 2: to make sure that they are standing up for everyone

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Speaker 2: who is in a position in Israel that is being

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Speaker 2: left behind as a result of the attacks that have

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Speaker 2: happened since October seventh. You guys know I'm going over

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Speaker 2: in August. I will be there doing live shows showing

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Speaker 2: how many people out there, everybody that we can that

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Speaker 2: we support the IFCJ. But I want you to sign

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Speaker 2: a pledge which we're going to deliver to the President

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Speaker 2: of Israel to show Christians and Jews in America are

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Speaker 2: supporting everyone in Israel in their time of need. To

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Speaker 2: sign the pledge, go to SUPPORTIFCJ dot org. That SUPPORTIFCJ

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Speaker 2: dot org, join us and stand with the International Federation

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Speaker 2: of Christians, International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, that is

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Speaker 2: the IFCJ. Will be over there in August. IFCJ dot org.

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Speaker 4: Two guys walk up to a mic he anything goes,

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Speaker 4: Clay Travis and Fuck Sexton find them on the free

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Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got Julie

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Speaker 2: Kelly with us now. A great day for her, a

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Speaker 2: great day for justice.

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Speaker 3: Go check out Declassified with Julie Kelly on substack. Support

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Speaker 3: her work please. She's doing so much for all of

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Speaker 3: us by bringing the truth forward on January sixth issues,

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Speaker 3: but particularly you can imagine for the families of those

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Speaker 3: j six defendants. Julie has been a tireless champion.

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Speaker 1: Julie. Great to have you on.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Buck, thanks so much for having me on. And yes,

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Speaker 6: what a gratifying but also heartbreaking day.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with what does this mean specifically for some

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Speaker 2: of the people prosecuted or awaiting prosecution still relating to

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Speaker 2: the January sixth incident.

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Speaker 6: So what the Supreme Court really said was that this

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Speaker 6: fifteen twelve C two, the charge had to demonstrate some

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Speaker 6: evidence impairments, some destroying of records or tampering with records

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Speaker 6: or a document or other objects, which is what the

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Speaker 6: C one part laid out. Well, what the DOJ has

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Speaker 6: done and eighteen federal judges in Washington has allowed the

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Speaker 6: DOJ to say is that basically section two the C

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Speaker 6: two doesn't apply, doesn't refer to the first section that

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Speaker 6: deals with evidence. All it says is that, you know,

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Speaker 6: anyone who tries to obstruct or interfere with an official

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Speaker 6: proceeding is guilty of this crime. So, unfortunately the C

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Speaker 6: two parts is very vague, and that is what the

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Speaker 6: DOJ seized upon. They weaponized this very vague language to

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Speaker 6: say that anybody who interrupted the events of January sixth

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Speaker 6: was obstructing and official preceding. You're guilty of the seleny

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Speaker 6: punishable by twenty years in prison. Now, the DOJ has

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Speaker 6: brought this seleny count against more than three hundred and

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Speaker 6: fifty J sixers, about one hundred and twenty of them

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Speaker 6: have are in prison or have already served prison time

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Speaker 6: because DOJ sought years in prison or conviction or plea

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Speaker 6: deal of fifteen twelve C two, So that means there

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Speaker 6: are probably about two hundred cases still pending. Some judges

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Speaker 6: have already dismissed the count or have held off any

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Speaker 6: riles or pre negotiations on that count, waiting for the

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Speaker 6: Fisher decision, which we got this morning. Some judges have

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Speaker 6: even released a handful of j sixers who are in

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Speaker 6: prison on this count saying Okay, you've already served your

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Speaker 6: time for a few misdemeanors. This was the driving and

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Speaker 6: it has been fucking class. It has been the driving

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Speaker 6: charge that have put people in prison for years. So

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Speaker 6: it's going to be very complicated what's happening, what will

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Speaker 6: happen in the DC courts, But they were already preparing

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Speaker 6: for a flood of motions which I assume we'll be

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Speaker 6: starting today to grant relief to these defendants who have

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Speaker 6: been wrongfully prosecuted by Joe Biden's doj Okay.

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Speaker 2: Let's also talk about what this does for Trump because

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Speaker 2: we're still waiting on the presidential immunity case. And let

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Speaker 2: me just say this too, by the way, and I

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Speaker 2: know a lot of our audience knows it, but it

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Speaker 2: really does deserve to be repeated a lot. Julie, you've

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Speaker 2: done incredible work on these and six related cases and

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Speaker 2: also on chasing the lawfare and you have nailed so

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Speaker 2: much of this and there's been a lot of people

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Speaker 2: out there, I know, taking potshots at you, saying.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she doesn't have any idea what she's talking about.

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Speaker 2: You started coming on talking about this Fisher case with

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Speaker 2: US years ago, laying out what was likely to happen,

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Speaker 2: you believed, and now you've been validated. So congratulations to

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Speaker 2: you on this and props to you, and I encourage

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Speaker 2: everybody to go subscribe to your substack. Now now back

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Speaker 2: to now, now to the praise. Let me go back

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Speaker 2: to the second part here. This is basically half of

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Speaker 2: the charges to my understanding, that Jack Smith brought against

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump related to jan six. How do you think

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Speaker 2: this impacts Jack Smith's DC case? And presuming we get

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Speaker 2: some sort of presidential immunity ruling next week, probably on Monday,

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Speaker 2: where does that case go from here?

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Speaker 6: I mean, look his for a ton in datement against

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Speaker 6: the president as of now, and of Grusey immunity ruling

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Speaker 6: on Monday, it's in a very precarious condition because two

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Speaker 6: of the four counts relate directly to fifteen twelve C.

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Speaker 5: Two.

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Speaker 6: And if the Supreme Court and it kicks it back

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Speaker 6: to the lower courts, and this is where Jacksmith's indictment is.

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Speaker 6: Judge Tanya Chuckkin the DC District Court and the burden

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Speaker 6: of proof has to demonstrate that his actions involved evidence

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Speaker 6: tampering you know, destroying records or impairing any sort of

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Speaker 6: document an investigation or official proceeding. That really raises the

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Speaker 6: bar for Jacksmith. Now, what's funny, He's already signaled that

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Speaker 6: he will use the so called stake electors, the electoral

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Speaker 6: certificates that people produced and sent in, as the to

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Speaker 6: meet the document or evidence impairment burden. Now how ridiculous?

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Speaker 6: Does that sound? Absurd? But that doesn't mean that Judge

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Speaker 6: Chuckkin isn't going to allow it. So we'll see what

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Speaker 6: he adds or how he's going to do with this

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Speaker 6: and his existing indictment. Then, of course we have the

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Speaker 6: immunity ruling, which we know will come down on Monday,

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Speaker 6: and this will further complicate his efforts because what it

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Speaker 6: looked like during oral arguments was that the court would

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Speaker 6: kick it back to either the appellate court or to

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Speaker 6: Judge chuck In and say you have to look at

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Speaker 6: the elements of the indictment, determine which one fall under

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Speaker 6: presidential authority, which ones fall under personal slash political conduct.

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Speaker 6: That will require another hearing, and jack Smith then will

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Speaker 6: have to address this fifteen twelve C two issue as well.

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Speaker 6: So this case is really on shaky ground. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 6: Jack Smith isn't going to figure out a way to

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Speaker 6: make it work. And he has judged time to chuck Kin,

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Speaker 6: who hates Donald Trump and is an Obama appointee, has

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Speaker 6: given dj whatever they've wanted. So she will work hand

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Speaker 6: in love with him to try to salvage this indictment.

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Speaker 6: But it's going to be tough as it proceeds towards trial,

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Speaker 6: if it ever does.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So timing on this, do you think there's any

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Speaker 2: way that this case goes to a jury or even

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Speaker 2: starts the trial given the desperation, is it possible? Like

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Speaker 2: you said, the community ruling coming down Monday will be

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Speaker 2: through July fourth, about four months still the election. You've

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Speaker 2: been there for all that give us a sense on

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Speaker 2: timing from your perspective, right, So.

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Speaker 6: Let's say that they do exactly what I just laid

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Speaker 6: out for the immunity order on Monday, they kick it

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Speaker 6: back round to Judge chuck Kin. She will then have

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Speaker 6: to schedule some sort of hearing. I assume that she

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Speaker 6: will want to do it quickly, although she is going

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Speaker 6: to be running in confrontation with what's happening on July eleventh,

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Speaker 6: President Trump sentencing in New York. The week after that

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Speaker 6: is a convention. Judge Chuckkin has said she doesn't care

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Speaker 6: about politics, so I wouldn't put her past it to

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Speaker 6: put it past her to schedule some sort of hearing

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Speaker 6: that week. But let's say she does that and it's

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Speaker 6: delayed towards the end of July. So this hearing would

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Speaker 6: flash out what I just said. Then she comes back

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Speaker 6: with an order might be quickly, maybe two to four weeks,

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Speaker 6: says here it is, but then that has to go

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Speaker 6: to the appellate court again. Right, So timing wise, it

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Speaker 6: does not look like they would be able to pull

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Speaker 6: off any sort of trial before election day because of

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Speaker 6: all the now legal hurdles, loophole hurdles that the Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court in this and that immunity has created projects mess.

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Speaker 3: Julie, given that this is now, this summer before the election,

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Speaker 3: do you feel like the law fare stuff that the

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Speaker 3: Democrats have tried against Trump is it Do they recognize

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Speaker 3: it as a failure and they're thinking about other options

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Speaker 3: or are they just likely to become more desperate intensify

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Speaker 3: and perhaps and this ties into July eleventh, incarceerrate Trump.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that they are going to triple

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Speaker 6: and quadruple down. They are not recognizing how this law

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Speaker 6: fare is backfiring working in Trump's favor. Furthermore, exposing the

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Speaker 6: corruption of the dj which we just saw with the

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Speaker 6: fifteen twelve right, and we probably will see with immunity.

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Speaker 6: We are certainly seeing that play out in southern Florida

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Speaker 6: with judging and cannon where I'm following those proceedings, you know,

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Speaker 6: in the courtroom and all of the motions. We now

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Speaker 6: know how sloppy and reckless and dangerous the raiate of

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Speaker 6: mar A Lago was. There's mishandled evidence. So it's not

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Speaker 6: just backfiring, you know, people kind of encircling Trump and

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Speaker 6: protecting him from this. It's backfiring in a way where

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Speaker 6: it's making the dj FBI, the judges look so much worse.

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Speaker 6: So will they pull back? No, will they incarcerate Donald Trump?

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Speaker 6: Will Judge Marshaun order prison time for him on July eleventh?

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Speaker 6: That would be tough, But in handem with what we

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Speaker 6: saw last night, you guys with Joe Biden, obviously they

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Speaker 6: are going to get more and more desperate. So we'll

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Speaker 6: see what other tricks. They have up their sleep. Now again,

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Speaker 6: you guys, we've talked about this. Jack Smith can still

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Speaker 6: bring a superseding indictment against Donald Trump for seditious conspiracy,

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Speaker 6: so that is not now. This would relate to the

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Speaker 6: immunity decision as well. But that doesn't mean that Jack

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Speaker 6: Smith cannot bring more charges against him even if he

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Speaker 6: ends up dropping the fifteen twelve C two. Don't put

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Speaker 6: anything past these people, including the judges, so we could

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Speaker 6: be in for some real shocking surprises in this lawfare

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Speaker 6: effort over the next few months as they get back.

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Speaker 3: I agree with Julie's maxim there do not anything that

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Speaker 3: is possible. They will do if they think it will

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Speaker 3: help Biden play.

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Speaker 2: Julie, last quick question for you, and I agree with

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Speaker 2: Buck there. I think things have gone so awry for

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Speaker 2: them and they're, you know, now scrambling because they're significantly behind.

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Speaker 2: Amy Cony Barrett wrote the descent here and Katanji Brown

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Speaker 2: Jackson signed on to the majority. How much would you

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Speaker 2: have bet against that? I mean, because I'm still kind

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Speaker 2: of floored by just the procedural posture here of the

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Speaker 2: six three, I think i'd been six to three.

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Speaker 1: Amy Cony Barrett with the majority. What in the world

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Speaker 1: happened there, you guys?

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Speaker 6: When I was reading the and of course, as you know,

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Speaker 6: I've been waiting for while, I've been waiting for three years,

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Speaker 6: but really the past three weeks for this, I had

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Speaker 6: to reread the justices who were in concurrence and then

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Speaker 6: descent because they couldn't wrap my mind around that Kaitanji

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Speaker 6: Brown Jackson was on the majority side and emy Coney

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Speaker 6: Barrett was the dissenting with Kagan and Soda Mayor. But

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Speaker 6: that was the fact. Even worse, you guys, is her descent.

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Speaker 6: It was childish, It was so basic. It was clearly political.

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Speaker 6: She actually said Congress could never have envisioned something like

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Speaker 6: January sixth happening, so they would not have even thought

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Speaker 6: that this cattue could apply. But of course it does.

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Speaker 6: This is her line of thinking. Uh, what a profound

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Speaker 6: disappointment she has been on this court. She's also had

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Speaker 6: some really crazy votes in the past few weeks. And

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Speaker 6: you know, what, can you say we're stuck with her now?

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Speaker 6: But she is.

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Speaker 2: She just tried too hard. Do you think that's what

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Speaker 2: this is to show? Oh, you can't pay a pigeonhole

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Speaker 2: me in like it's so strange to me.

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Speaker 6: It is, but it could be. But this is such

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Speaker 6: a no brainer, I know. I mean when you have

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Speaker 6: the majority, including the Chief Justice who wrote the opinion today,

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Speaker 6: so this was how serious this was, and you have

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Speaker 6: Amy Coney Barrett siding with Sonya Soda Mayor, who is

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Speaker 6: a dunce. I mean you want or what she writes,

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Speaker 6: she is a done, she's half literate. Yes, she is defending,

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Speaker 6: you know, protecting these two liberals and just giving the

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Speaker 6: most overbroad and really, as I said, not impressive defense

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Speaker 6: of her descent here, very extremely disappointing.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'll tell you Julie, a friend of

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Speaker 3: mine in conservative legal circle says that he believes Amy

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Speaker 3: Cony Barrett is just trying to impress the people who

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Speaker 3: went to law schools that she couldn't get into.

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Speaker 1: It's a shot at Notre Dame. But I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: that's what that's.

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Speaker 6: I'm always here for sit Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't not to upset our South Bend listeners.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what I Who is your team,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Julie, who I mean, who do you.

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Speaker 1: How do you hate Notre.

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Speaker 6: Dame Because I'm in suburban Chicago and then domers are

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Speaker 6: the most obnoxious. I love many of them, I'm friends

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Speaker 6: with them, but when it comes to Notre Dame, Dear God,

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Speaker 6: that's funny. Please give it her. I went to Eastern Illinois.

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Speaker 6: I don't even know if they have a football team anymore.

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Speaker 6: I don't care, but anyway, shout out to the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Well, Julie, stay in the fight.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna need to talk to you more or as

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Speaker 3: this keeps going, and I guess we can at least

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Speaker 3: enjoy a good day today, so a good weekend ahead,

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Speaker 3: I would hope.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Go check out Declassified with Julie Kelly

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Speaker 2: on substack. Everyone, Julie.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, can't thank you guys enough for covering my work.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much always.

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Speaker 2: You know, they didn't talk much about the debt last night,

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Speaker 2: which I gotta tell you was a miss in my mind.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it came up really at all, and

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Speaker 2: it's a huge problem. It actually goes beyond the presidential debate.

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Speaker 2: It goes to the future of this nation, irrespective of

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Speaker 2: who the president is. Because it's thirty four trillion dollars. Folks,

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Speaker 2: do you think they have inflation under control?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: You think they're gonna have inflation under control in the future.

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Speaker 3: What can you do if they keep going in this

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Speaker 2: Podcasts day after Debate number one. And I say Debate

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Speaker 2: number one because as we speak to you, the Biden

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Speaker 2: camp is saying that Joe is looking forward to Debate

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Speaker 2: number two and committed to showing the American people that

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Speaker 2: he still has his fastball.

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Speaker 1: I guess I have to say this out loud.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he can lift up the ball, but

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Speaker 2: he says he has a fastball, so or or wants

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Speaker 2: us to believe that he does. There were also some

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Speaker 2: efforts last night as I was watching the post post

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Speaker 2: debate MSNBC panel The Best the Best Thing on television

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Speaker 2: last night by far that they they were saying, well,

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Speaker 2: other other presidents have.

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Speaker 3: Had bad debates. Here's the thing. It's not that Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden didn't nail it on policy. It's not that Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: And of course and he didn't, by the way, he

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Speaker 3: said a lot of things that were very factually untrue.

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Speaker 3: They keep saying Trump lies. And when they say Trump lies,

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Speaker 3: it's when he says things like I'm amazing, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that's not a lie, it's just Trump's opinion. But

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Speaker 3: they can actually fact check a lot of the things

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Speaker 3: Biden said about inflation, about jobs, about I just go

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Speaker 3: down the list, all kinds of things lies, just not true.

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Speaker 1: But that's not really the problem.

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Speaker 3: The problem is that Joe Biden visually and auditorially, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. You could hear whatever that word is, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you could hear auditory, auditory processing, auditor Yeah, Well, but

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Speaker 3: you could see and hear that Joe Biden is too

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Speaker 3: old for this job. His age has reached a point

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Speaker 3: where it is no longer And when I say age,

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Speaker 3: I mean the place in his life cycle where he is.

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Speaker 3: It's not just about the age number, it's about how

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Speaker 3: he has aged, it's obvious.

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Speaker 1: You see it visually, you see it. Okay, now you

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Speaker 1: want to talk Trump.

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Speaker 2: Right on the other side of things, I think Trump

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Speaker 2: gave his best debate presentation we've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's been. The only thing you could

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Speaker 3: say is in some of the primaries in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: where Trump was having to just swat away seventeen or

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Speaker 3: so different Republican contenders, you know, he was incredible because

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Speaker 3: he was so funny, and you know, the stage just

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Speaker 3: was all you know, the spotlight was always on him.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of against a Democrat in a presidential debate,

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Speaker 3: I don't think Trump's had a better showing than he did.

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Speaker 1: He was calm, cool and collected. He yeah.

867
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: I mean there were some areas and we could talk

868
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: about this play where I think he had a bigger opening,

869
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: But it was really just a battle of presentations last night.

870
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: The presentation that Joe Biden has visually and in terms

871
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 3: of the sound that he makes when he speaks, you

872
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: just can't get away from it. And that's the thing.

873
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: I mean, It's it's like you had two people there

874
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: in a boxing match and one of them should have

875
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: thrown in the towel for injury. You know, he's he's

876
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: you know, got it. He's like a separated shoulder and

877
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: that hasn't healed. I mean, he can't be doing this.

878
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: But on the other side of that, I think Trump

879
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: was in his top fighting form, so to speak.

880
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: What do you think, like, yeah, I I so I

881
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 2: would give Trump a B plus.

882
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to be honest with all of you.

883
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: I thought there were a couple of hanging curves that

884
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: Biden threw out there that Trump should have put in

885
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: the upper deck that he didn't Charlottesville. If Trump were

886
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: calling me and asking for my feedback after the debate,

887
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: it would be explain more. Biden's still trying the very

888
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 2: fine people. Why Trump said, oh, that's a hoax, Russia, Russia, Russia.

889
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: I when you have whatever it is, seventy million people watching.

890
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: Yes, you me buck.

891
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: Everybody out there, for the most part listening to us,

892
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: knows that the very fine people Charlottesville hoax is real.

893
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: But there are people out there, maybe ten or twenty

894
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: million of them that still believe that to be true,

895
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: maybe even more of that. When Biden made that argument,

896
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: I wanted Trump to connect it to what's going on

897
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: in the country right now, Joe, you said you ran

898
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: because of Charlottesville, just off the University of Virginia's campus. Well,

899
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: right now, from the east to the west coast, from

900
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Columbia to Ucla, we've got anti Jewish protests. That's because

901
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: of you and your failed leadership. If you ran to

902
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: keep Charlottesville from happening, you should resign right now because

903
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: we have thousands of Charlottesville. And oh, by the way,

904
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: I didn't say that Neo Nazis were very fine people

905
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: like you're lying about. Go check the evidence. I said

906
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: there were very fine people who believed a Roberty Lee

907
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: statue should stay up, and there were very fine people

908
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: who believed it should come down. That's the actual facts.

909
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: I also thought that Trump went down the rabbit hole

910
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: with Biden a little bit when they were arguing about

911
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: what historians thought about their presidency. Historians have no validity

912
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: when it's the current day, Like why argue about that.

913
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: This is a favorite thing that liberal TV show cable

914
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: news the hosts like to do.

915
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: They go look well.

916
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: To really explain our current moment, Like let's bring up

917
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: somebody who wrote one of the five hundred biographies you

918
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: can currently buy on any of these presidents. Correct, In

919
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: what world do I care what somebody who's writing about

920
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 3: a guy who lived in the eighteen hundreds or something

921
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: has to say about the current political moment, just based

922
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: upon the fact that they're an author.

923
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's absurd.

924
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a thing that but they think

925
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: that it's a credential that that elevates somebody so that

926
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: they have some special insight. I mean, I gotta tell

927
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: you if you look at people that they're supposed to

928
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: have special insight because of their their knowledge and other areas.

929
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: I think of what is it Neil Neil deGrasse Tyson,

930
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: for example, on you want him talking about astrophysics, You

931
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: don't want him talking about anything else, because he doesn't

932
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: more than you do, and in fact, often sounds kind

933
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: of like a buffoon when he talks about other things.

934
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: Correct.

935
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: And also, the reason why historians have the ability to

936
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: do what they do, and I say this as a

937
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: history nerd who majored in history and undergrad and thought

938
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: about becoming a history PhD and going and teaching history,

939
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: is because they have the benefit of time to contextualize

940
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: the present moment. That's what the job of a historian is.

941
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: So I thought Trump went down the rabbit hole on that.

942
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: Of course, the historians hate they're mostly left wingers. One

943
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 2: hundred years from now, we'll see what they say about

944
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: your presidency, and we may still be arguing about it.

945
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 2: That's how history works. The other one that I thought

946
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: he whiffed on is he kind of hit on it

947
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: a little bit, but again it goes back to explaining

948
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: for people who might not be aware. He mentioned the

949
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: fifty one intelligence agents a few times. I thought that

950
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 2: he could have gone back to that better. I thought

951
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: that he could have said, Joe, you lied to the

952
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: American public about the money that you took from China,

953
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: about the money that you took from Ukraine, and you

954
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 2: use the cover of fifty one intelligence agents who lied

955
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: about your son's lap, Like, tell them the story because

956
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people still don't know those stories where.

957
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: That's why I give him a B plus. There were

958
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: also a moment really B plus. Yeah, Oh I for Trump,

959
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: I give him an A. I thought he I don't

960
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 2: think you get I mean, it can always be better, right,

961
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 2: But to me, Trump won by three Trump by three touchdowns,

962
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: like Theoretically you could say no passes should have been dropped,

963
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: but I mean, I don't know. I feel like how

964
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: much of Trump winning was Biden fumbled every time he

965
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: got the ball right like so and created like Biden

966
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: created so many errors and was so awful. I think

967
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: you have to put that on one side. Biden gets

968
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: an f like he was the worst debate presidential performer

969
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: of any of our lives. But really at his debate

970
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: performance in the sense that it's really just about that

971
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: he's physically not able to do this.

972
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying.

973
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: It's if you have if you have two people that

974
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: are about to do a like a foot race, and

975
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: one of them shows up limping because he has a

976
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 3: broken leg. Like, it's not that he didn't run, well,

977
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: it's like he can't do this. It's not ok yeah, right,

978
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying.

979
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: Like, so Trump would win the race, but the guy

980
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: who's running against is an invalid. That doesn't mean Trump

981
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 2: ran a perfect right now, No, I know, I'm looking

982
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: at it.

983
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So you think that he he could have stepped

984
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: it up in a few ways, Yeah, of course it

985
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: could have been better. I think that Trump. For Trump,

986
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: I mean, what's what's possible for him? You know, he's

987
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: not about to start reciting Shakespeare from memory, like the

988
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: guy is who he is. But not that that would

989
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 3: be good in the debate. But you know what I mean,

990
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: I thought he was his demeanor was really you and

991
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: I agreed, he's more presidential.

992
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Biden.

993
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: Biden tried to go you know, Biden tried to pull

994
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: out the switchblade and get a little nasty a few times,

995
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 3: you know, like like Trump did Back of the Day

996
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: by the by the pool. Yeah, but you know, Trump

997
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: didn't take debate. Trump was very, like I said, calm,

998
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: cool and collected. He just sort of stayed on message,

999
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: his tone, everything about him. You know, he never looked

1000
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: flustered or angry. And and that's the thing those when

1001
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: when when Biden went into the gutter, I think a

1002
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: lot of people would have thought, oh, like Trump's about

1003
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 3: to get you know, and even at the end when

1004
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: but first of all, Biden not that this matters, but

1005
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: it is really part of He's a compulsive liar. I

1006
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: think Biden is a compulsive liar when he says he

1007
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: has a six handicap. I don't golf, but my dad

1008
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: golf so much that I know that Joe Biden does

1009
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: not have a six handy.

1010
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: I thought that was one of the funniest parts Buck,

1011
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: because all of the things that Biden said, I think

1012
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: the thing that Trump was most offended by was the

1013
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: six handicap, Like, if you watch his face, he's like

1014
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: a golfer, and those of you out there who are golfers,

1015
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 2: they're all the lies that are being told. I also

1016
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: thought Biden seems not only old, even some of his

1017
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: attack lines, like he when you know what he said,

1018
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: like Donald Trump, you have the morals of an alley cat.

1019
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was watching it. The phrase alley cat, to.

1020
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 2: Me sounds so ancient. It's like something from a Mark

1021
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: Twain novel. It's even old for old people to say,

1022
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: do you know what I'm talking?

1023
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 5: Like?

1024
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: First all, like, dude, where did we come up with

1025
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: the idea that ally cats are awful when it comes

1026
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 2: to morals?

1027
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: But it sounds so old.

1028
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: I think Fisher king on X wrote that when Biden

1029
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: was born, the Nazis were trying to encircle Stalingrad in

1030
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: the Second World War.

1031
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: That's true.

1032
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 2: Fuck, here's what that's gonna blow your nineteen forty two. Buck,

1033
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: I'm about to blow your mind even more. Biden's birthday

1034
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: is closer to Abraham Lincoln's assassination than it was to

1035
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: his inauguration day. Think about how you want to talk

1036
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: about history. Biden was born closer to Abraham Lincoln being

1037
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 2: assassinated in Ford's theater than he was to his own

1038
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: presidential inauguration day. I heard that, I went and looked

1039
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: it up because I was like, there's no way that

1040
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: I mean.

1041
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: That blew my mind.

1042
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: But the alley Cat line like, he's old and he

1043
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: seems older than he is, if that makes sense. Some

1044
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: people can be old and seem me younger. You probably

1045
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: had professors in college or high school who were older,

1046
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: but they stayed with it. They were aware of the

1047
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: world around them. Biden's is old and he seems older

1048
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: than he is.

1049
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think that the presidency has has aged

1050
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: him as well. Aging is not a linear thing. I've

1051
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 3: known this from people in my own life. You know,

1052
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: my grandparents who have passed. Sometimes you'll go a few

1053
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: years and they seem the same, and they look the same,

1054
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: and then you'll go a few years and it looks

1055
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: like it's been ten years. It's just you know, your

1056
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: your body doesn't necessarily you know, there's different stresses and

1057
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: different health issues that come up and that that can

1058
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: really play a role in all this. Yeah, I mean,

1059
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: obviously Biden's not up for it, but as I've said along,

1060
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 3: he wasn't up for twenty twenty. Everybody, Yeah, that's that's

1061
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: the part of this you can't forget. And also Fetterman

1062
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: has come out and said that everyone needs to calm down.

1063
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: Biden will be fine. Look at look at Fetterman. I

1064
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: mean he also had he had true brain issues, and

1065
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: I don't I mean there were issues in his brain.

1066
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: He was recovering from a stroke. It's a you know,

1067
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: vascular problem from within his cerebral cortex or whatever. And

1068
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: he looks like he's recovered pretty well, and he's act.

1069
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: You know, he would win reelection right now. Yes, betterman

1070
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 3: would win reelection. So don't either don't count out at

1071
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: the the victory dances about Biden. I'm telling you, it's

1072
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: way too early, everybody, It's way too early.

1073
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, by the way, speaking live now in North Carolina.

1074
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: Trump is scheduled a little bit later to be in Virginia.

1075
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: The first trip after the debate tells you a bit

1076
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: about how they see the map. They're trying to put

1077
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: North Carolina in play quite desperately, I think. Meanwhile, Trump

1078
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: trying to expand the map in Virginia. He'll be with

1079
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: Glenn Youngkin later this afternoon in Virginia. I want to

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Speaker 2: tell you, though, there's a new credit card you want

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Speaker 2: is pronounced like the word coin, but spelled with a G.

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Speaker 2: Coign websites. That's simple too, Spelled coign dot coin created

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Speaker 2: to advance conservative values and embrace the American spirit. They

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Speaker 2: do that by donating a portion of every purchase you

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Speaker 2: cards to the left. Coin helps conservatives align their dollars

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Speaker 2: with their values. You'll also earn one percent cash back

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Speaker 2: rewards on every purchase you make. We've signed up to

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Speaker 2: get our coin credit card backed by Visa. You should

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Speaker 2: do the same. Sign up now for America's Conservative credit

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Speaker 2: card at coin dot com. That's coign dot com be

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Speaker 2: sure to select Clay and Buck and how did you

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Speaker 2: hear about his section on the website. Coin dot com

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Speaker 2: full details news you can count on as some laughs too.

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Speaker 1: Claytravis at Buck Sexton.

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