Speaker 1: Kill them all. This has been it could happen here
Speaker 1: the show where I just kill them all? Harrison and Chris,
Speaker 1: do you want to I want to take over? Oh boys,
Speaker 1: woke up. I haven't have coffee yet. That is incredibly
Speaker 1: spooky murder. Well, it is spooky. You're right, this is true.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that until Joe's now, but retroactively that
Speaker 1: makes it fine spooky. Yeah, what are we doing? Who
Speaker 1: are we? We're we're doing We're where it can happen here,
Speaker 1: We're doing this is this is This is a podcast
Speaker 1: where we talk about spooky stuff that happens around Halloween,
Speaker 1: and today we are doing the spookiest thing of all,
Speaker 1: which will be revealed shortly. Oh boy, I hope it's
Speaker 1: Will Wheaton. Is not what Wheaton? Well, unfortunately the spook
Speaker 1: I really I really should have looked for that tie
Speaker 1: in because there might be one. Is the CIA asset?
Speaker 1: We might get there? I don't know. Okay, see this
Speaker 1: is this is I'm hacking a fraud and I didn't
Speaker 1: actually look into this. Yeah, well we missed it, you
Speaker 1: and most journalists. Yeah, all right, what are we? What
Speaker 1: are we doing? What do we do? It? On June four,
Speaker 1: a rancher named W. W. Mac Brazil and his son
Speaker 1: Vernon with driving me across their property when they encountered
Speaker 1: quote a large area of bright wreckage made up of
Speaker 1: rubber strips, tinfoil, and rather tough paper and sticks. Yeah
Speaker 1: me too, Just a regular night in in in Oregon.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, well buzzles back in a time where
Speaker 1: people are baffled when weird things happened, instead of going
Speaker 1: oh it's Tuesday, so oh man, what a time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they didn't just go straight to Twitter. No, no,
Speaker 1: he he, you know, he doesn't think that was Actually,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of like reasonably a reasonably responsible
Speaker 1: thing to do in which is that he spends about
Speaker 1: a week like picking up all of the scraps that
Speaker 1: he can and like putting them in a box, and
Speaker 1: that he drives it to the sheriff, and the sheriff
Speaker 1: his name is George Will. That says a lot about
Speaker 1: the difference in urgency back then, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is important, I'll spend a week getting everything together,
Speaker 1: take it off to the share. Like before the Internet,
Speaker 1: you could really afford to sit. It was an era
Speaker 1: in which, like if you had a busy life. Three
Speaker 1: things happened. Okay, yeah, So so George Wilcox, the sheriff,
Speaker 1: looks at this and it's like, I have no idea
Speaker 1: what any of this crap is, Like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: So he takes it to Roswell Air Force Base for
Speaker 1: further investigation. Now, Colonel Butch Blache, the commander of Roswell
Speaker 1: Airfields of five O nine Composite Group you know send
Speaker 1: sends a team out to analyze the wreckage, which includes
Speaker 1: an Air Force intelligence officer named Major Major Jesse Marcel.
Speaker 1: Now Marcel gives a now infamous series of quotes to
Speaker 1: the media that results in the Roswell Daily Record running
Speaker 1: the sentence quote. The Intelligence office of the five O
Speaker 1: ninth Bombardment Group at Roswell Airfield announced at noon that
Speaker 1: the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.
Speaker 1: Now this is the birth. Yeah, I mean, this isn't
Speaker 1: the birth of modern uphiology, but this is, you know this,
Speaker 1: this is one of the most important error events. And
Speaker 1: the pictures do rule all of all of the Roswell
Speaker 1: pictures are super rad because it's just random ship in
Speaker 1: the field and they're like it's aliens. There's a random
Speaker 1: ship in the field. Now, this this is all happening
Speaker 1: to be just like like scattered sort of reports of
Speaker 1: UFOs that have been cropping up throughout the sort of
Speaker 1: like the post war era. Yeah, and the next day,
Speaker 1: the Air Force releases a statement saying there's no flying
Speaker 1: saucer in the wreckage. Is just an air balloon? Is
Speaker 1: this you know it's it's it's just why the are yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the airport sure air Force weather balloon. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're lying. Everyone knows they're lying. But this is where
Speaker 1: things get bad, because when Mark Brazil really discovered with
Speaker 1: something even spookier and more sinister an aliens. Mark Brazil
Speaker 1: had discovered was the American military industrial complex. That's what's
Speaker 1: really spooky. It's it's it's real spooky. It's yeah, we're
Speaker 1: by by by the end of this episode they will
Speaker 1: have I had to cut two times. They almost killed
Speaker 1: everyone on Earth. Okay, well all right, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: be judging folks for almost killing everyone on Earth, like
Speaker 1: you haven't almost killed everyone on Earth? Come on, that's true,
Speaker 1: that's true. Podcasting saves me from a mass distinction of
Speaker 1: the entire human race and will eventually end all life
Speaker 1: on this planet. I believe in podcastings potential to kill
Speaker 1: absolutely everyone. Yeah, it's it's great, It's it's a time.
Speaker 1: It's actually you know this part part of this is
Speaker 1: actually going to be about how we get to the
Speaker 1: point where everyone is podcasting on the internet, develop things
Speaker 1: that that does. This does absolutely plague in to the
Speaker 1: swell incident. Yeah, because there's a there's a strong line
Speaker 1: between ship like Coast to Coast FM and the old
Speaker 1: like conspiracy you know, the precursors to that alien UFO
Speaker 1: whatever radio shows and ship on the on the wide
Speaker 1: band back in the day, and uh in the podcasts
Speaker 1: where we are right now. Yep, it's it's great, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a good time. We're descended from great media.
Speaker 1: We're going to continue to produce green media where totally
Speaker 1: not just like an extremely a much larger version of
Speaker 1: the radio broadcast you get right before genocide. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's not what's happening here. It's all in fact good
Speaker 1: and cool. I mean, this is why I tell people
Speaker 1: to get machetes. It's true. That was a bad yeah,
Speaker 1: made that made that comment. Look, we just we just
Speaker 1: we just we just go to make sure only ways
Speaker 1: to blaze on right ahead. Now, the Air Force is
Speaker 1: lying out of its ass. But the Air Force isn't
Speaker 1: lying out of its ass because they have a flying saucer.
Speaker 1: The Air Force knows precisely what they've gotten their hands
Speaker 1: on here because the other identified flying object that has
Speaker 1: crashed at Roswell is actually something called Project Mogul. Now
Speaker 1: to understand Project Mogul, we need to go back a
Speaker 1: little bit. Now, in the US drops two nuclear bombs
Speaker 1: of Japan. And this does a lot of things literally,
Speaker 1: all of which are bad um. And what one of
Speaker 1: which is that it sets off a sort of and
Speaker 1: it's it sets off you know, the thing that we
Speaker 1: all live in now, which is the nuclear arms race
Speaker 1: between the U S and the U S s R.
Speaker 1: Who you know, but pretty quickly after World War Two
Speaker 1: are just bitter enemies. And you know, by there's just
Speaker 1: bores raging across the world between commnist anti companist forces.
Speaker 1: This is what's war in China, I mean in Greece,
Speaker 1: which I think people know. People know more about the
Speaker 1: Chinese of war, people know less about Greece. Were just
Speaker 1: like the British. The British are like, oh, the Communis
Speaker 1: are gonna take power, so they just like give all
Speaker 1: the guns back to the fascists and they start doing
Speaker 1: the Holocaust again, and that you know, sets off this
Speaker 1: own and another civil war there. And you know, as
Speaker 1: as as Europe becomes you know, divided between the two
Speaker 1: great powers, the US becomes increasingly worried about the USSR
Speaker 1: crying acquiring their own nuclear weapons. So to detect the
Speaker 1: potential Soviet nuclear tests, the US embarked on Project Mogel.
Speaker 1: Project Mogul sent six d and fifty seven foot balloons.
Speaker 1: These are like massive, they're twice the size. That's actue
Speaker 1: of liberty. Yeah, those balloons are bigger than a balloon
Speaker 1: needs to be. Yeah, they're they're too large. It's too
Speaker 1: big for balloons. And they so they load these balloons
Speaker 1: with like sensor and listening equipment to detecting nuclear detonation.
Speaker 1: They like they like float them into the upper jet stream,
Speaker 1: and the jet team like pushed them to Russia. Is
Speaker 1: sort of the plan behind it, And this sort of works,
Speaker 1: except the Russians of nukes yet. So yeah, this, by
Speaker 1: the way, is also why the song Red Balloons was
Speaker 1: not just a banger, but also very realistic because we
Speaker 1: absolutely could have had a nuclear exchange over some fucking balloons.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Actually I'm not sure there's any direct
Speaker 1: balloon related near nuclear exchanges in this episode, but don't worry.
Speaker 1: It happen. Yeah, well, you know, and what what what
Speaker 1: it did actually do was, you know, set off the
Speaker 1: modern UFO thing because you know what, one of these
Speaker 1: balloons like fails and it's it's views the records around
Speaker 1: and you know there's yeah, this this, you know, this
Speaker 1: is this. Then you see a bunch of the problems
Speaker 1: that are gonna happen with the rest of how the
Speaker 1: course of UFOs God, because you know, you have initially
Speaker 1: the government's like we have a flying saucer and then
Speaker 1: they turn around and do this like incredibly half ass
Speaker 1: cover up that like everyone knows his fake and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, because Americans are Americans, they don't assume that
Speaker 1: like the US is, you know, creating a devastating new
Speaker 1: surveillance and intelligence program that would used to further total
Speaker 1: nuclear war. Instead there you go, it's aliens. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we're great at Okins Raiser. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a time.
Speaker 1: But I think what's really important here is it. What
Speaker 1: Brazil had actually made first contact with was America's new
Speaker 1: thermal nuclear monarchy. And this is something that I think
Speaker 1: more people should talk about, which is that having nukes
Speaker 1: just as a thing massively centralizes power into sort of
Speaker 1: individual people, into the executive branch. Because you know, so
Speaker 1: if you have nuclear weapons, right, the theory is that
Speaker 1: you have to have one person who presses the button
Speaker 1: to shoot them, and you can't have like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's not enough time for like a parliament or delivered
Speaker 1: or body to like set the dukes off. And so
Speaker 1: this becomes this rationale for enormously centralizing the party executive branch.
Speaker 1: And this this produces an absolutely terrifying new way you
Speaker 1: state secrecy, filled with increasingly powerful and clandestine government agencies
Speaker 1: and bureaucracies ranging from the CIA are good friends to
Speaker 1: the much lesser known Atomic Energy Commission, and these agencies
Speaker 1: the power of their secrecy is so strong that, I mean,
Speaker 1: by the NIES, atomic Energy Commissions like successor agency decides
Speaker 1: that they can keep secrets from the president on the
Speaker 1: basis that the president does not need to know, which
Speaker 1: is absolutely horrifying. Well, yeah, I mean, look, it's just
Speaker 1: you've got a democracy, and that's going to be a
Speaker 1: problem because in a democracy, people presumably get to make choices,
Speaker 1: and if you don't want them to decide not to
Speaker 1: continue making weird ship to throw into the sky, then
Speaker 1: you know why, you probably should just not tell anybody anything. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and that that particular story is also grim I it's
Speaker 1: one thing that's debating covering they're they're covering up the
Speaker 1: fact that they deliberately poisoned enormous like hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: of people with radiation, did human testing on them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't like it doesn't need to know about you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like we don't tell Sophie. Guys, a
Speaker 1: lot of the things that we do our budget. Um,
Speaker 1: like when we irradiated all those people for a podcast,
Speaker 1: we're we're still not telling Sophie that. Yeah, it could
Speaker 1: happen here, black budget remain secret. Yeah, it is a
Speaker 1: lot of money. Please continue. Now, all of the secrecy
Speaker 1: around this and the fact that these cover ups are
Speaker 1: like the most half asked ship anyone has ever seen,
Speaker 1: you know, it continue it fuels his rampant speculation around
Speaker 1: UFOs and the conspiracy theorists are also aided by the
Speaker 1: fact that people keep seeing weird flying objects. Sure do
Speaker 1: we love we love to see weird ship in this guy.
Speaker 1: We are very good at it. Yeah, it's we're we're incredible.
Speaker 1: It's it and this guy is full of weird. It's true.
Speaker 1: I saw crow the other day anyway. Yeah, in ind
Speaker 1: if people start who are on airplanes start seeing these
Speaker 1: just enormous flaming crosses flying in possibly high and possibly
Speaker 1: fastened the sky and publicly k k's game spaceflight, it's
Speaker 1: it's worse than that. It's it's it's the people. The
Speaker 1: people doing this are worse than the KKK, which is
Speaker 1: what a sentence. It's great, it's yeah. So so you know,
Speaker 1: in public, the U S. Governments like whatever, these aren't
Speaker 1: a thing. They're fake whatever their mediological to services. Uh.
Speaker 1: In private, the passengers who are on these jets that
Speaker 1: that see these flaming crosses are all detained by the
Speaker 1: FBI and sworn to secrecy after providing accounts of what
Speaker 1: they'd seen. Awesome and yeah, and this this is also
Speaker 1: part of the surf ufil mythology. And this does actually happen,
Speaker 1: like that the FBI does actually show up to these people. Well,
Speaker 1: that's who you send in when you want people to
Speaker 1: stop wondering if something shady is going on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's here. The FBI is telling people to shut up
Speaker 1: about something. I think, well, that's not worth looking into
Speaker 1: it all. When of five men in suits and sunglasses
Speaker 1: show that your talk about something, you know, that means
Speaker 1: definitely thing is fine and normal. You know what I
Speaker 1: don't think of when I think of the FBI UFO
Speaker 1: cover ups. It's great. Yeah, this is this. This is
Speaker 1: America's first contact with yet another new part of its
Speaker 1: clandestine military military bureaucracy. Area fifty one. Area fifty one
Speaker 1: is a secret military aeronautics research and development facility built
Speaker 1: on a salt flat called Lake Groom inside the massive
Speaker 1: Nevada Test and Training Range. Um. This place, by the way,
Speaker 1: this place is massive. This place is like the size
Speaker 1: of connect Like it's like larger than Connecticut. It's larger
Speaker 1: than than most of the Eastern State. Yeah, it's enormous.
Speaker 1: And but you know it's something I think it's very
Speaker 1: interesting about this is that, for all it's mystique. Area
Speaker 1: fifty one is not the most dangerous facility on the
Speaker 1: Nevada Tests and Training right now. That's there fifty two,
Speaker 1: the sub level below where they store the real weird ship. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I watched I watched a few YouTube videos. I
Speaker 1: think I know what I'm talking about. Well, definitely so
Speaker 1: that we are actually going to get all right, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: the thing that's actually really dangerous is areas twelve, nineteen
Speaker 1: and twenty, because that's the Nevedic areas. Do these motherfucker's
Speaker 1: names there? All these things? Yeah, all the other thing
Speaker 1: because I mean this this this is like a state
Speaker 1: sized like testing facility, right, Okay, they get all these
Speaker 1: fucking areas, but the branch Davidians have one compound where
Speaker 1: they don't even do very many illegal things, and suddenly
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Here's the thing. Let's see Howans never
Speaker 1: had nukes, and that that that that could could you
Speaker 1: imagine though pretty amazed. You know what if they'd had nukes,
Speaker 1: about like eight people would still be alive maybe they
Speaker 1: actually or everyone would be dead. Yeah, that's the two
Speaker 1: a d. People would be alive or everyone on earth
Speaker 1: would be did so. Area fifty one is the partner
Speaker 1: of the Nevada Test Site, which which is Areas twelve
Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty and that's where the real danger ship happens,
Speaker 1: which is the US test nuclear weapons there. Okay, but
Speaker 1: we need to make it clear at the outset we
Speaker 1: should not be underestimating Area fifty one. That place has
Speaker 1: done irreparable harm to the cause of world peace and
Speaker 1: very nearly like cause us all to go extinct several times.
Speaker 1: So do not underestimate the power of of of military
Speaker 1: spy airplanes. Yeah, can lead us all destruction. Are honestly
Speaker 1: way more, way, more spooky than any little gray creatures
Speaker 1: at large. Different various planes just with cameras on them
Speaker 1: have gotten us closer to the extermination of all life
Speaker 1: on Earth than basically anything else except for that one
Speaker 1: computer buck that that the Russians had that would have
Speaker 1: killed us all if not for Petrov I think his
Speaker 1: name is, I'd forget his last name. That one guy
Speaker 1: who was like, we're not going to have a new
Speaker 1: clear Ward right now. Well, there's there's a lot this is.
Speaker 1: This is weirdly the Soviets come out looking like so
Speaker 1: it's like every every time there's almost a nuclear war,
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't happen because the Soviets are like, no,
Speaker 1: and the Americans are like, we want this war and
Speaker 1: the like when it comes to atomic apocalypse stories, if you,
Speaker 1: if you, if you tally up all the columns, because
Speaker 1: the Soviets definitely have a few in their side, but
Speaker 1: it winds up way more fucked up nuke incidents on
Speaker 1: the U S side of things than the Soviet side
Speaker 1: of things. Although there wasn't that time they built a
Speaker 1: bomb so big that it might have changed to the
Speaker 1: tilt of the earth if they and at the last
Speaker 1: moment they were like, let's take half of the zile
Speaker 1: material out of this. This seems like a bad idea.
Speaker 1: It's it's great, Yeah, so so speak speaking of bad
Speaker 1: ideas involving in involving nuclear weapons. So are oh no,
Speaker 1: I not thought you're doing a yeah speaking speaking bad ideas.
Speaker 1: You know what else will change the tilt of the earth?
Speaker 1: The products and sir us is their quality. It's so
Speaker 1: intent that it's like the Czar bomba it is just
Speaker 1: like that explosive potential. Yeah. Area fifty one was founded
Speaker 1: in nineteen one by the Atomic Energy Commission, a federal
Speaker 1: agency established as a successor to the mother of all
Speaker 1: black projects, the Manhattan Project. Now black projects are secret
Speaker 1: off the book's military defense projects, the existence of which
Speaker 1: are kept secret even from Congress, which is a totally
Speaker 1: cool and normal thing to have in a democracy when
Speaker 1: you're representative body does not know what anyone else what
Speaker 1: the military is doing. Now, Area fifty one is interesting
Speaker 1: because it's it's basically like a black project for a
Speaker 1: black project. It's so secret that like the Vice President
Speaker 1: lb J, who is like not a funk off right Price,
Speaker 1: tod right, this is lv J, Like LBJ, He's he's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's also gonna show up the story briefly, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like even he didn't actually really know what was going
Speaker 1: on there until like after JFK was assassinated. So this
Speaker 1: this place is really secret, and as best we can tell,
Speaker 1: in its first four years, it was essentially the Atomic
Speaker 1: Energy Commission. I basically wanted a place to do off
Speaker 1: the books, like pilot and aircraft testing, and they're able
Speaker 1: to do the successfully that like we basically don't know
Speaker 1: what they did for four years. But yeah, but but
Speaker 1: but in nete five, the facility has taken over by
Speaker 1: an even spooky organization, the Central Intelligence Agency, our our
Speaker 1: old friends. Now that the c I a you know,
Speaker 1: this is this nine five, and the CIA has spent
Speaker 1: the early years of the Cold War getting just it's
Speaker 1: absolute ass handed to it in Europe because you know,
Speaker 1: this is what happens with a bunch of different Harvard
Speaker 1: grads and like yeah, because people with acid and that's
Speaker 1: all they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. But the problem, so they're
Speaker 1: running into a real intelligence agency, which is the KGB,
Speaker 1: who like, like those guys do not around. I don't
Speaker 1: just poison people with acid. They they they they're they
Speaker 1: they're They're much much more intense than than the early
Speaker 1: fifties the CIA. Yeah, yeah, and so and so they
Speaker 1: have this real problem which is that they the CIA
Speaker 1: basically can't get intelligence out of Eastern Europe, which is
Speaker 1: bad when your whole, like your entire like state is
Speaker 1: based off of like fighting Eastern Europe. So this kind
Speaker 1: of your main target. Yeah. Yeah, So the solution is
Speaker 1: to fly a plane really high over Russia and uses
Speaker 1: to take pictures. Yeah, Like I think like this sounds
Speaker 1: like I think kind of banal to us in the
Speaker 1: twenty one century, where like this is this is like
Speaker 1: this is like this is like pre satellite Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, like like we were all just sort
Speaker 1: of used to the fact that like the government minutes
Speaker 1: buying on us at all times. We sure are, but
Speaker 1: you know, in in in the nine this is incredibly radical.
Speaker 1: Like the the US, the US has only had intelligence
Speaker 1: agencies for like ten years, and there is no precedent
Speaker 1: at all. There's none, no precedent for flying surveillance over
Speaker 1: a country you aren't actively at war with, Like the
Speaker 1: only reason you fly airplane over countries if you're about
Speaker 1: to bomb them. People should note also that like the
Speaker 1: first ten years or so that we had an intelligence industry,
Speaker 1: every single or that we had an intent like intelligence agencies,
Speaker 1: every single vote for funding them, every single like vote
Speaker 1: for giving them new powers was like universally supported by
Speaker 1: both parties. There was there was zero dissent about whether
Speaker 1: or not we should have a c I A and
Speaker 1: they should have a giant black budget to do all
Speaker 1: sorts of scary ship that might provoke a nuclear war.
Speaker 1: People are just like, well, of course it's really bad,
Speaker 1: and I think this is this is you know, this
Speaker 1: is what Area fifty one actually is. The Area fifty
Speaker 1: one is the place where the development the permanent intelligent
Speaker 1: industrial complex is permanently solidified, and this all starts with
Speaker 1: the you two. Now, the CIA brings in Luckeed Martin
Speaker 1: and a little known but very powerful and influential defense
Speaker 1: contractor called E. G and G. Who I mean, they
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff, but a defense contractor, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's like it's the ultimate defense contractor name.
Speaker 1: And nobody knows who they are because they make like
Speaker 1: cameras and like film equipment and stuff. But like, you know,
Speaker 1: so these are the people who like made the cameras
Speaker 1: that could take pictures of nucleus. Yeah, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know and so and so, the the CIA brings them
Speaker 1: all to this like remote testing rage in Nevada to
Speaker 1: work in a secret project called Dragon Lady. Now in
Speaker 1: its early stages, Area fifty one is so secret that
Speaker 1: like even the Air Force doesn't know about it. And
Speaker 1: this like really pisss off the Air Force's senior senior generals,
Speaker 1: in particular a guy who was going to become very
Speaker 1: important to the story, Air Force General Curtis LeMay, who
Speaker 1: like the man like that. I I don't say this
Speaker 1: very often about historical figures, but like if someone had
Speaker 1: assassinated General Curtis lomaid the world like we would like
Speaker 1: the amount safer that the world would have been described
Speaker 1: the architects of saturation bombing started in World War Two
Speaker 1: and continuing. Uh and from up to now we didn't stop.
Speaker 1: And that is that is not the worst thing he's
Speaker 1: involved in, yeah, now, but in Lomay is extremely piste
Speaker 1: off that the CIA doesn't tell about this, and he's
Speaker 1: going to remember that that's gonna become important later in
Speaker 1: this story. But eventually the CIA is forced to bring
Speaker 1: the Air Force into Area fifty one for a number
Speaker 1: of reasons, partially because they're flying airplanes, and partially because
Speaker 1: the YouTube is like kind of a piece of ship,
Speaker 1: you know, and part of it Okay, so they're learning
Speaker 1: how to fly planes really high for the first time,
Speaker 1: but you know the YouTube, if you fly it too slowly,
Speaker 1: it's stalls, which is like, okay, that's kind of a
Speaker 1: normal airplane. The you the YouTube is amazing easing aircraft
Speaker 1: because it just is the most absurd pieces of aviation
Speaker 1: equipment ever designed, and like, watching those things take off
Speaker 1: and land is the most funny thing on that. It's
Speaker 1: wild like, and the other problem is like as a
Speaker 1: selling problem, but also has the problem if you fly
Speaker 1: it too fast, the wings will fall off, okay, which
Speaker 1: is so fragile the plane, Chris, It's so it's so
Speaker 1: massive and so fragile. The winds are so heavy and
Speaker 1: so large. It's one of the most ridiculous pieces of
Speaker 1: equipment ever designed. It's it's it's incredible. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: that the CIA needs helped to get the stake working,
Speaker 1: and so the result is at Area fifty one at
Speaker 1: this point is is staffed by about it's one third CIA,
Speaker 1: one through an air Force and one they're locking Martin.
Speaker 1: What a what a combination? These are the god, can
Speaker 1: you imagine that cafeteria, the conversations. It's wild too, because
Speaker 1: it's like because you have a bunch of just like spooks, right,
Speaker 1: You're a bunch of just and then there's just like
Speaker 1: a bunch of test pilots who are like just nuts
Speaker 1: and have been like a bunch of like like people
Speaker 1: who are like genuine war heroes who like fought in
Speaker 1: World War two but then went turned around and like
Speaker 1: it did horrible war crimes and like Koreas like Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise from Top Gun but with horrible PTSD and Michael
Speaker 1: Douglas from falling down. He hasn't picked up a gun yet.
Speaker 1: We can we can, we can mention this now. So
Speaker 1: top the reason that top Gun exists is actually also
Speaker 1: area fifty one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because at one point
Speaker 1: the US, like so the Israeli's managed to convince uh
Speaker 1: was te pilots to defect and then they gave the
Speaker 1: airplane to the US, and so the U s spent
Speaker 1: a bunch of time like flying this big twenty three
Speaker 1: around and figuring out how it worked. And that's how
Speaker 1: they like trained, they basically trained other pilots because they
Speaker 1: suddenly do how the bigs worked, and that's that's the
Speaker 1: origin of the top Gun program. But then also hilariously
Speaker 1: that the Biggs got their revenge when when an Air
Speaker 1: Force general whose name is whose name is I am
Speaker 1: not making this up. His name is General Bond and
Speaker 1: he were like, he's like, shows what you want is
Speaker 1: like I want to fly, I want to fly and
Speaker 1: make eighteen and they're like okay, but and then he
Speaker 1: just flew it into a mountain and died, which okay,
Speaker 1: well all right, yeah we have turned my opinion. Yeah
Speaker 1: he was inc which is like a really that is fast,
Speaker 1: difficult to control plane. That rules. That rules so hard.
Speaker 1: I see, I was you just completely changed my opinion
Speaker 1: of this man. Yeah, that is that is the that
Speaker 1: is incredibly based. Unfortunately, there's a lot of other way
Speaker 1: more depressing plane crashes that happens here. And part of
Speaker 1: the reason it's bad is because so you know this,
Speaker 1: this whole thing is a black I have trouble imagine
Speaker 1: being depressed about anyone they're dying. Oh, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of so there there's a I don't really care
Speaker 1: as much about the people, but like so there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of like fourteen of the people who are flying
Speaker 1: you twos like die and they like they crashed into
Speaker 1: a mountain and one of the fresh and it's like me,
Speaker 1: but that sucks about it? Is it like like the U. S.
Speaker 1: Government lies to their families for like half a century
Speaker 1: about how they died. It's like this sucks. But then
Speaker 1: it gets even worse because again, like this is you
Speaker 1: know this, this is the Black Project of like all
Speaker 1: black projects, and that means that they have a bunch
Speaker 1: of people from Operation paper Clip, because again, this is
Speaker 1: a facility run by the CIA in the nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: and so they let these literal not a bunch of
Speaker 1: literal Nazi Nazi doctors wrote in durance test on potential
Speaker 1: YouTube pilots. Now, these doctors are Nazi concentration camp doctors
Speaker 1: who had performed to horrific human experiments on people in
Speaker 1: the camps. So naturally when they do endurance test, they
Speaker 1: torture people. So they would do things like they would
Speaker 1: force pilots to like hold their arms under ice water
Speaker 1: for like it's on me long times. They would draft
Speaker 1: the chairs just like randomly electrocute different parts of their body.
Speaker 1: And it was like, yeah, it's it's a nightmare, Like
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you know, this is what happens when you
Speaker 1: give the Nazis free reign over completely secret testing facility
Speaker 1: where no one can even talk about what people to them.
Speaker 1: It's great, it's great, it's it's this is this is
Speaker 1: why you don't have black projects, because the Nazis wind
Speaker 1: up in charge of them and they torture people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we're pretty we're pretty all on the same
Speaker 1: page of not having really any projects. Now, the CIA
Speaker 1: has another problem, which is which is a much weirder
Speaker 1: and funnier problem, which that people keep seeing their spy planes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, so part of this is the original
Speaker 1: you twos were silver, which means that they reflected the
Speaker 1: sun and the flaming cross. Yeah, because the first two
Speaker 1: now because they not that all Matt black. Ye's like
Speaker 1: a chromed a chrome doubt too, like yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: but you know, like this this, this is you know,
Speaker 1: this causes like a huge number of the UFO settings
Speaker 1: just people seeing this thing, and eventually they're like, we
Speaker 1: have to make this black because like having a spy
Speaker 1: plane that glows in the sun, yes, idea now and
Speaker 1: worse yet, so you know, you two can fly at
Speaker 1: like sixty feet, which is it's way outside the range
Speaker 1: of anti aircraft guns. It is ridiculously how how high
Speaker 1: that plane can go. But the c I A in
Speaker 1: their eternal hubrists assumes that it's also too high for
Speaker 1: the Soviet radar to work, and so what happens instead
Speaker 1: is that they fly a YouTube directly over the Kremlin
Speaker 1: to like take pictures of Racruse Trevis sleeping, and the
Speaker 1: Soviets just immediately see it and they get really piste
Speaker 1: off because again, like there's no precedent for flying a
Speaker 1: spy plane over a country you're not at war with,
Speaker 1: and they're like, what the funk, why are you flying plains?
Speaker 1: The problem is that they can't actually like shoot them
Speaker 1: down because the plane is too high up, so there's
Speaker 1: something they can just see it. Yeah, yeah, And but
Speaker 1: but the US is like, okay, this is not provocative enough, right,
Speaker 1: like we've we've now flown we've now flown planes over
Speaker 1: the house of like a guy who can fire nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: That's not enough. That's incredibly funny, it is very funny.
Speaker 1: But they're like the So Curtis LeMay, who's minds me
Speaker 1: of some things? Anyway, we don't need to talk time
Speaker 1: actions in front of Russian embassies continues. So let me
Speaker 1: is this guy, this guy is a threat to all humanity,
Speaker 1: and he has his idea, say, okay, he wants to
Speaker 1: figure out how you want to figure out like how
Speaker 1: the the USRS radar system works. And so his plan
Speaker 1: is he's going to get the USSR to trigger the
Speaker 1: radar system. And he's going to do this by flying
Speaker 1: a thousand B forty seven bombers over Alaska and fly
Speaker 1: them like right at Soviet air space and then turn
Speaker 1: around the moment before they get in, guys, come on,
Speaker 1: there's other ways to do trolling, Like you don't need
Speaker 1: to like, you don't need to risk the entire populations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get Garrison. See this is why you're not an
Speaker 1: A level troll. Trolls know that if you're not risking
Speaker 1: the entire future of possibly all life in the known universe,
Speaker 1: then you're just you're not even there's other ways to
Speaker 1: make them for ends. Make make some friends and troll
Speaker 1: your friends. It's not that hard. Come on, guys, troll
Speaker 1: the world by by playing chicken with its continued ability
Speaker 1: to any life above the microbial level, like the thing
Speaker 1: it's incredile about. This was the only reason any of
Speaker 1: this works is that the Soviets, like and Soviets are
Speaker 1: not good. But the Soviets aren't who the Americans say
Speaker 1: they are, like not like if if if, if the
Speaker 1: US had done this against the US, everyone on Earth
Speaker 1: would have gone like yeah in the end of it,
Speaker 1: and and may like you can say, like whom someone
Speaker 1: asked him about this afterwards and his and he says
Speaker 1: anti quote, with a little bit more luck, we could
Speaker 1: have started World War three. Oh man, this guy, this
Speaker 1: guy is a fucking like yeah, they are like that.
Speaker 1: They are all just like like this this is so
Speaker 1: bad that like the c i A sends a panel
Speaker 1: of like advisers to the President telling him that, like,
Speaker 1: you can't do this again because the Soviets will think
Speaker 1: it's an actual attack. When NASA is calling you out,
Speaker 1: then yeah, I think it's time to it's time to
Speaker 1: wrap up shop. We're done. And the thing is like
Speaker 1: this is not the like the only just absolutely psychotic
Speaker 1: thing going on in this period, like a round are one.
Speaker 1: So in seven, the US tests the first dirty bomb
Speaker 1: and they really don't know what this thing is gonna do.
Speaker 1: And it's like this is extremely danious or detonating a
Speaker 1: bomb a splice plutonium if youwhere, but just wait, uh
Speaker 1: lest you think that detonating a dirty bomb was not
Speaker 1: dangerous enough. In seven they dropped something called the hood bomb.
Speaker 1: And this bomb like the blast this okay, they drop this,
Speaker 1: brought this bomb in Nevada, right, the blast of this
Speaker 1: bomb blows out windows in l A. People people see
Speaker 1: this is in Nevada. People see the explosion in Canada. Great.
Speaker 1: They see in Mexico, like you can see it from
Speaker 1: eight hundred miles out to see and The funniest part
Speaker 1: is that it temporarily renders are aft you one uninhabitable
Speaker 1: and they forgot to tell the people. And if you
Speaker 1: want to evacuate, that is incredible. Everybody cancer, actually incredibly Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know there are one people still want
Speaker 1: to work there and so they but this is like
Speaker 1: before they have hashmat suits. So they said people in
Speaker 1: lab coats with like magnets to go collect radioactive bomb
Speaker 1: fragments so people can bring planes. Great, that's extremely fun,
Speaker 1: just killing all of their I have no yeah, I
Speaker 1: have no problems with this. Yeah, and this is fine,
Speaker 1: This is completely fine. We have had probably saved a
Speaker 1: lot of lives, honestly. Yeah. Well the problem the problem
Speaker 1: is though they they like Area fifty one was allowed
Speaker 1: to resume and that like very nearly killed us. All. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been like the more people that die there, if
Speaker 1: you want to get cancer, that probably odds are that
Speaker 1: that contributes to it is it is it is slow death.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what everyone says about radiation poisoning. It
Speaker 1: happens too slow. Ye yeah, now okay, so every fifty ones,
Speaker 1: you two's are like continuing to do flights and pissing
Speaker 1: off the Soviets, but unbeknown to the Americans, the Soviet
Speaker 1: anti air capacity was rapidly improving, and on Mayday nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: the US pushes it too far and they send a
Speaker 1: pilot and Gary Powers to fly over the Soviet Union,
Speaker 1: and the Soviets just like shoot the shift out of him.
Speaker 1: And this this is actually this really cute moment where
Speaker 1: like he crashes and he survived and he's found by
Speaker 1: some rant farmer, and the Soviet farmer just like it's like,
Speaker 1: oh hey cool, just like gives them a cigarette with
Speaker 1: Lucky of the Space Dog on it, and they have
Speaker 1: this very nice moment where they smoke a cigarette together
Speaker 1: and then Powers gets arrested by the Soviet government and
Speaker 1: put on trawl for espionage. Now the interesting part about
Speaker 1: this is that so the US assumes that Powers is
Speaker 1: dead because when they designed the you Tube, the CIA
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, if this they didn't tell the pilots,
Speaker 1: but they will die. Yeah yeah, It's like, but but
Speaker 1: you know, Powers lives through it, and so they they
Speaker 1: they the US is like claiming on Life television that
Speaker 1: Hours was like, oh, this wasn't a spy plane. He
Speaker 1: was collecting high altitude weather data for the National Advisory
Speaker 1: Committee for Aeronautics. This lets Kristiev has like his finest
Speaker 1: hour here is like incredible theatrical moment. He gives this
Speaker 1: incredible speech that's like he's he's like he's like asking
Speaker 1: like comrades, like what what would happen if Soviet planes
Speaker 1: flew over Detroit and immediate war? And he goes on
Speaker 1: this thing about how he's accusing, like he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so who who said the spy plane? And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: it couldn't be the American people and must have been
Speaker 1: the American militarist running this biplane uh program without the
Speaker 1: knowledge of the commander in chief. And so the US
Speaker 1: like keeps denying it. And then Christiev a couple of
Speaker 1: days later gainst this another incredible line. I'm gonna quote
Speaker 1: from this speech because it rules comrades. He said, I
Speaker 1: must let you win on a secret. When I made
Speaker 1: a report two days ago, I deliberately refrained from mentioning
Speaker 1: that we have the remains of the plane and we
Speaker 1: also have the pilot who was quite alive and kicking,
Speaker 1: and the US just like it gets owned because safe Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure this day is I'm sure this
Speaker 1: date isn't thrilled. Oh yeah, it's it's like, it's an
Speaker 1: enormous embarrassment for this and this, this is this is
Speaker 1: a couple of other great lines. So so Gary Powers
Speaker 1: gets tried for espionage, and there's there's this incredible line
Speaker 1: in this trial where Sergey Rodenko, who's this he's an
Speaker 1: Air Force general and he's also part of the trial,
Speaker 1: and he calls area fifty one quote a criminal conspiracy
Speaker 1: between quote a major American capitalist company, an espionage and
Speaker 1: reconnaissance center, and the military of the US. And because
Speaker 1: this is this is literally what is um you know,
Speaker 1: but but this is where everything goes to ship because
Speaker 1: there was supposed to be a massive like U s
Speaker 1: USSR Pace summit to like look at the nuclearization uh
Speaker 1: huh yeah yeah, and so and and Christef is like, okay, Eisenhower,
Speaker 1: you you need to apologize for flying spy planes over
Speaker 1: our country. And Eisenhower is like no, and this this, yeah,
Speaker 1: the conference is canceled and the world has plunged at
Speaker 1: the mortal peril that will only barely survive, but barely.
Speaker 1: I mean, we did it. It's fine. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: got extremely lucky. Um. Yeah, all of this basically causes
Speaker 1: cruise shift to like start a military build up in Cuba.
Speaker 1: And you know you can see where this is going.
Speaker 1: But but don't worry less less you think that Area
Speaker 1: fifty one is only indirectly responsible for this. They are
Speaker 1: in fact directly responsible for the Cuban missile crisis. You
Speaker 1: know they they Air fifty one, does they did? They
Speaker 1: do a bunch of other stuff that like funk with
Speaker 1: the Cubans, like they have this thing with it. They
Speaker 1: send in pilots like right up the right up to
Speaker 1: to Cuban airspace and like have them basically trade missile
Speaker 1: locks with Soviet pilots so that they can test the
Speaker 1: Soviets like electronic weapons capacity. And it's again once again,
Speaker 1: we only didn't die because the Soviets didn't shoot after
Speaker 1: the US did some like just absolutely we would have
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah if if if a MiG had buzzed like
Speaker 1: Washington d C. We would have ended all humanity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now they fucking knew that. God. That has to be
Speaker 1: so frustrating. Yeah, Like not a lot of sympathy for
Speaker 1: the U s s R. In my book, with just
Speaker 1: being like well this is unacceptable. But if we do
Speaker 1: literally just what they're doing to us, so I guess
Speaker 1: we have to be chill here. It's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: speaking of doing things, there's also there's also an incredible
Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs connection, which is that Richard Bassell, who's
Speaker 1: the guy who did Bay of Pigs, was the guy
Speaker 1: who read one. And one of the reasons why it
Speaker 1: fails is that. So remember when I talked about how
Speaker 1: the CIA piste off Curtis LeMay by not telling him
Speaker 1: about ety one. So, uh, the May is supposed to
Speaker 1: send a bunch of B fifty two bombers to support
Speaker 1: the Bay of Pigs, and he doesn't do it. And
Speaker 1: this defense is that he fucked like his defense is
Speaker 1: that he sucked up the time zones, which like I've missed. Hey,
Speaker 1: we've all missed meetings because of that. I'm late all
Speaker 1: the time because the time zones. It's that that, you
Speaker 1: know what, Curtis LeMay did nothing wrong. Yeah, it's amazing,
Speaker 1: and this this causes the cell, but yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work because it's a cluster fuck and this you know this,
Speaker 1: this causes the cell to get kicked out of the
Speaker 1: security establishment. But it it doesn't stop the U S
Speaker 1: fucking with Cuba. We still haven't stopped fighting. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: like never going to It's it's incredible. And and but
Speaker 1: because this is the time that came closest to killing
Speaker 1: us all, which is that well, Christ you know what
Speaker 1: will also eventually kill us all products and services. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's not even a joke, that's just true. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: of these things that is being sold for fake money.
Speaker 1: So yep, by products. And this is when Garrison goes
Speaker 1: on a rant about Fiat currency. We're back and we're
Speaker 1: talking about the Honda Fiat, which is certainly a car.
Speaker 1: I lost all I lost I lost with all the Fia.
Speaker 1: Please everyone everyone sent me, send me what you can.
Speaker 1: I'll reinvest and give you back your money in a
Speaker 1: few days. You're gonna buy one of those fucking one
Speaker 1: of those eight bit illustration and f T s that
Speaker 1: costs two million dollars, aren't you, Garrison? Oh you bet see, Robert,
Speaker 1: I heard, I heard now that they're making physical copy.
Speaker 1: This is a brand new phenomenon, making physical versions of
Speaker 1: an n f T so you can actually like have something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's basic. There is there's nothing else like this. It's
Speaker 1: like art, but you actually can have it. It's the
Speaker 1: first time it's Robert. You guys, you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: tell the public how are how how how how how
Speaker 1: we funnel all of our money around for our black projects.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to explain our money laundering schemes on air.
Speaker 1: You know. One one surprising thing about all of this,
Speaker 1: like Air one stuff is honestly the degree to which
Speaker 1: the government does not deflect off by using alien ship
Speaker 1: more often. If they were smart, they could just use
Speaker 1: alien ship more often to deflect any suspicion about what's
Speaker 1: actually happening. So they I don't know, they go back
Speaker 1: and so so part of us going so they go
Speaker 1: back and forth on this, and part of what's going
Speaker 1: on is that the CIA, when when when people start
Speaker 1: first reporting UFOs like, they have to like concerns, one
Speaker 1: of which is that it's just going to cause panic
Speaker 1: in the US public and they don't want that they're
Speaker 1: doing this sort of like elite panic thing and they're
Speaker 1: afraid they're on's going to go insane or whatever. But
Speaker 1: the second thing that they're worried about is that they're
Speaker 1: really concerned that the Soviet Union is going to block
Speaker 1: out the u s IS Early Warning System by sending
Speaker 1: a bunch of a QFO reports, which would be very
Speaker 1: funn Yeah, it would be very funny, but you know,
Speaker 1: but so so they their initial line on UFOs is
Speaker 1: like they're they try. They spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: trying to get everyone to like not believe in them,
Speaker 1: because they're like, this is this is treading ast area
Speaker 1: and it's like damaging or early warning capacity because people
Speaker 1: keep reporting and also because people just keep seeing their
Speaker 1: biplanes and so they're just like, guys, there's no UFOs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll get to in a little bit of some
Speaker 1: more about that, because there's a lot of very weird
Speaker 1: stuff going on there. But first we have to almost
Speaker 1: end the world. All right, Let's let's just do that
Speaker 1: at first. And then in six two, the CIA flies
Speaker 1: it flies a YouTube over over Cuba and they get
Speaker 1: a bunch of pictures of nuclear weapons and this this
Speaker 1: is basically the thing that starts to Cuban Missile crisis.
Speaker 1: Although I also I also we need to talk about
Speaker 1: LeMay one more time, because before they get these pictures,
Speaker 1: LeMay is convinced there's there's no nukes there and LeMay
Speaker 1: wants to do a preective strike on Cuba to stop
Speaker 1: the Soviets and bring missiles in, which again literally would
Speaker 1: have killed us all. Yeah yeah, but but let's let's
Speaker 1: make us voted down. So the CIA, you know, sends
Speaker 1: the you tubes in and this this is the thing
Speaker 1: that starts to the starts to Cuban missile crisis. And
Speaker 1: you have the Soviets and Americans like staring each other
Speaker 1: down at sea. And but again because these people are
Speaker 1: just like like because there are if you do want
Speaker 1: people to see how people are just nuts, they keep
Speaker 1: sending UFOs and if they keep sending you twos over
Speaker 1: Cuba and they they're sending you twos over Cuba, and
Speaker 1: and the Americans like lyne on the you Tuesday send
Speaker 1: ever is if they shoot down a YouTube, we're going
Speaker 1: to invade. And so the Soviets actually do shoot shoot
Speaker 1: down a YouTube. But for like the only time ever
Speaker 1: in history, uh, the US is like, wait, maybe we
Speaker 1: shouldn't end all like literally end all humanity, and like
Speaker 1: we we get this because this moment we're just like
Speaker 1: you know, you get to actually so you have all
Speaker 1: of the like just horrific leadership stuff that has got
Speaker 1: you here, But you get a moment where like the
Speaker 1: soul of humanity is tested in like a very small
Speaker 1: number of people, and it's like, if any one of
Speaker 1: these people on either side flinches or like decides that
Speaker 1: they want to end all life on earth, everyone is
Speaker 1: going to die. And for one of like this is
Speaker 1: you know, this is like this is like one of
Speaker 1: the only times ever that it has actually mattered that
Speaker 1: we're not all just like terrible pieces of ship and
Speaker 1: we didn't do it, and we didn't end all humanity,
Speaker 1: and eventually the whole the whole thing is wound down. Alternatively,
Speaker 1: the people in charge realized that if they were doing this,
Speaker 1: they could no longer do whatever fun stuff they didn't
Speaker 1: their spare time. And it's only for selfish reason. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because yeah, the lead. Let me say, it's
Speaker 1: like the leaders get no credit here at all. The
Speaker 1: people who do get credit are just like the random
Speaker 1: assholes on a ship who like got sent over to
Speaker 1: the other side of the world and had to just
Speaker 1: like sit there knowing that they could be destroyed in
Speaker 1: any moments and then didn't panic and like held and
Speaker 1: kept kept everyone on earth from dying by just not
Speaker 1: just like holding it together in a situation that would
Speaker 1: have just like destroyed most people. So so good good on,
Speaker 1: good on like the cruise of the ships for not
Speaker 1: killing us all yeah, yeah, depending on how I feeled
Speaker 1: yea given day. Now, part part part of what's happening
Speaker 1: here is the EAT is getting shot down. It makes
Speaker 1: the area tapt to one. People go, we need to
Speaker 1: build a faster plane. Sure, and so there's their solution
Speaker 1: to this is the A twelve ox cart. And the
Speaker 1: oxcar is interesting because this is another thing that everyone
Speaker 1: thinks is the UFO but actually isn't. And I mean
Speaker 1: there's a very famous UFO picture of like one of
Speaker 1: NASA's like X fifteen rocket jets, and in the very
Speaker 1: like in the very corner of this rocket picture of
Speaker 1: the rocket jet, there's there's an A twelve, And everyone
Speaker 1: is like, oh, this is UFO. Is the UFON is like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's this. But you know, the CIA keeps
Speaker 1: doing these like halfast cover ups, but like like you
Speaker 1: can just see these out of passenger planes, Like if
Speaker 1: you're in a plane, you just see it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this thing looks like a Cigar's fleet past and they
Speaker 1: they do looking, they do look incredibly weird. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just doesn't work. And eventually, in the mid sixties Walter
Speaker 1: Cronkite like goes on TV and tells the American like
Speaker 1: at the CIA have been doing a UFO cover up,
Speaker 1: which is true, but everyone assumes this is about aliens.
Speaker 1: But it's not about aliens. Nothing with aliens. It has
Speaker 1: everything to do with the fact that people keep seeing
Speaker 1: this biplanes. And so the Air Force gets to put
Speaker 1: in charge of an investigation of UFOs. But the problem
Speaker 1: is that only a few top Air Force generals know
Speaker 1: about the A twelve. Yeah, they only a few people
Speaker 1: know what the existence of this aircraft. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 1: so the low level investigators are like, oh, the Air
Speaker 1: Force is doing a uh cover up, which they are,
Speaker 1: but they assume that it's about aliens. And so a
Speaker 1: bunch of these people like turned into aliens like UFO
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists and yeah, because this is you know, and
Speaker 1: and we're getting to see this. The the US basically
Speaker 1: through it sort of like the secrecy run these programs.
Speaker 1: It just it keeps creating UFO conspiracies. And yeah, there
Speaker 1: there's some okay, there's some question as to how to
Speaker 1: liberally they're doing this. Um So, the head of the
Speaker 1: National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena, which is like the
Speaker 1: uf U s is UFO Study Group uh in NS
Speaker 1: nine is taken over by Joseph Brian the Third, who,
Speaker 1: Joseph Bran the third was the CIA's first chief of
Speaker 1: Political and Psychological Warfare. He seems like a solid dude
Speaker 1: to hang out with. Yeah, yeah, so I have no
Speaker 1: idea what that means, No one does, you know. And
Speaker 1: there's there's some reports that there have been a couple
Speaker 1: of like books and documentaries and a lot and in
Speaker 1: the last like ten years that have repared that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it basically reported that that people in the CIA
Speaker 1: deliberately fed like fake UFO information to people to cause
Speaker 1: people to like go even deeper into their conspiracy, which
Speaker 1: is absolutely believe. Yeah, I would I will say this, Okay,
Speaker 1: so like this is the kind of thing the CIA
Speaker 1: would do. But the people who are giving the evidence
Speaker 1: are sketchy, and I mean, of course, yeah, like that
Speaker 1: that is yeah, that is kind of how that mean.
Speaker 1: They probably feed it to a lot of people and
Speaker 1: the people who talk about it, well, I mean so
Speaker 1: that the people are testifying a better the people who
Speaker 1: allegedly did it, Yeah, which is interesting. But but the
Speaker 1: thing that, well, the probably is weird about those people
Speaker 1: also just sort of they're like, oh, I spread this conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but it like they kind they also want to get
Speaker 1: into the UFO scene. And so yeah, the question it's
Speaker 1: it's weird and it is a lot of weird conflicting
Speaker 1: interests going on. And this is this is one of
Speaker 1: the problems with the CIA, which is that like, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's there's there's a couple of there's like some
Speaker 1: important things you need to understand about the CIA. They're bad.
Speaker 1: You don't need conspiracy theories for that. They're they're bad.
Speaker 1: They do a lot of bad things. Um, the CIA
Speaker 1: having done something is not in and of itself proof
Speaker 1: that they did another thing. So for example, like you
Speaker 1: can say that you like, you know, you say something
Speaker 1: like the CIA is a moon base, right, and someone
Speaker 1: asked you for evidence that you can go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they did Operation paper Clip and they're involved in development
Speaker 1: of rocket technology. But just because the CIA did Operation
Speaker 1: paper Clip and had rockets does not mean they have
Speaker 1: a moon base, right, Like this is this is this
Speaker 1: is something this something happens all the time when people
Speaker 1: talk about the CIA, its falling into yeah, yeah, you cannot.
Speaker 1: You cannot use something that the CIA has done as
Speaker 1: direct evidence they did something else unless there's a direct
Speaker 1: tie between, unless unless you have evidence that the other
Speaker 1: thing happened. There's other who suck. Yeah yeah, and if
Speaker 1: everything is, they're not omnipotence. And then this is what
Speaker 1: the example I always bring up because it's really funny.
Speaker 1: So the CIA just completely missed two two different Indian
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons tests, like across two decades. Like not only
Speaker 1: did they not realize that that they were testing me
Speaker 1: happening soon, Like they didn't even know that India was
Speaker 1: doing tests at all. And then they Yeah, so these
Speaker 1: news would go off and they would learn that the
Speaker 1: India was doing tests when Indiana govern renounced on TV.
Speaker 1: So like they're they're not actually omnipotent. I think, I think,
Speaker 1: what is this interesting? People? I'm not sure if you're
Speaker 1: in I'm not sure if you bring this up shortly,
Speaker 1: but like this sort of thing is definitely is still
Speaker 1: happening in terms of like like air force pilots seeing
Speaker 1: weird stuff in this guy and then going to talk
Speaker 1: about it be like you know, it's just like this
Speaker 1: is some other aircraft. Usually it's usually usually we're able
Speaker 1: to actually like prove what these things are. Um, but
Speaker 1: like you know, military or every people see stuff, they
Speaker 1: talk talk about the news, and the time it was
Speaker 1: always weird. It's always when like some other like like
Speaker 1: civil arrest is happening, when like we get some weird
Speaker 1: pieces of race and about UFOs, like oh really, what
Speaker 1: a coincidence? And it's it's it's an interesting thing to
Speaker 1: be though, because like there's this kind of like weird
Speaker 1: interplace because like a lot of like like like senators
Speaker 1: and presidents like actually believe that there's UFOs and and
Speaker 1: this is like I means the weird thing, but like
Speaker 1: the different do you mean like UFOs are doing like
Speaker 1: aliens well, like like aliens like this like that there
Speaker 1: are there are a lot of people in the government
Speaker 1: who do believe in aliens and and and it's it's
Speaker 1: this weird tension because and a lot of like everything
Speaker 1: is like like I don't know, like Harry Reid, for example,
Speaker 1: was a big alien dude, right, but Harry read like
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's very powerful in Nevadas, like
Speaker 1: maybe he knew, but like Harry Reid is not someone
Speaker 1: who knows what's happening in these black projects because they
Speaker 1: don't tell. They don't tell Congress, right, he he might
Speaker 1: know because of how powerfully is, but like again, it's
Speaker 1: up in the even even the people who are supposed
Speaker 1: to be in charge, I don't know what's actually happening.
Speaker 1: And that means they fall for conspiracy theories, because yeah,
Speaker 1: they fought for conspiracy theories. And at this point, it's
Speaker 1: more of a it's more of a fandom than anything else.
Speaker 1: It's really easy to get stuck to to offend them. Like,
Speaker 1: so I can't. I mean, I don't trust any congressman
Speaker 1: on any level specifically around this issue, because this is
Speaker 1: solely a fandom issue. It's like it's like it's like
Speaker 1: taking their opinion on like religion. It's like I care
Speaker 1: zero amount because it's only a fandom that But I
Speaker 1: think I think that the thing that is very dangerous
Speaker 1: about this s though, is that again Area fifty one
Speaker 1: is like the existence of Area fifty one is like
Speaker 1: an atrocity to anyone who thinks you live in a democracy.
Speaker 1: They have almost killed us, like multiple, multiple times and
Speaker 1: everyone is like, oh, it's the Aliens. Was like, nope,
Speaker 1: they they literally almost ended life on Earth like four times.
Speaker 1: And and yeah, you know what, we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: they they you know, we'll get into the other horrible
Speaker 1: stuff they do in a second. But I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about the one cool thing they did, because okay,
Speaker 1: they did one thing that was incredibly awesome. That was
Speaker 1: the greatest thing the American Empire has ever produced, which
Speaker 1: is they made the SR seventy one. The SR seventy
Speaker 1: one is fucking sick. This is this is the coolest airplane.
Speaker 1: And one is like, just like, do google a picture
Speaker 1: of it. It looks so cool. It could hit it
Speaker 1: could hit Mock three point four. Like, it's just fast.
Speaker 1: It's faster than bullets. Uh, it is. It doesn't have
Speaker 1: any weapons on it, and it it's it's defense strategy
Speaker 1: is to outrun the missile. Yeah, what's the X Man.
Speaker 1: It does look just like the X Wing And it
Speaker 1: does look just like the X Men's Yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: it's specifically there modified Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's shiitest
Speaker 1: thing ever. And it's like from that was like that
Speaker 1: was the pinnacle of the American Empires when they made this,
Speaker 1: this one just absolutely incredible machine, and then they used
Speaker 1: to do war crimes in Vietnam and then they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's too expensive. Dick Cheney, who is a demon in
Speaker 1: human form who will one day returned to the hell
Speaker 1: that spawned him and spend the rest of his day's
Speaker 1: being torn apart by Satan, has the program killed because
Speaker 1: he wants to make B two bombers, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got to be able to drop nukes from weird
Speaker 1: triangle planes. We can't run the coolest plane of all
Speaker 1: time ever anymore. So he kills it, and it's depressing
Speaker 1: and it's it's everything is bad now, and he will
Speaker 1: rotten hell eternally for of his many crimes. Killing the
Speaker 1: SR seventy one the only good thing the Americans ever did.
Speaker 1: He should have This is the only thing we should
Speaker 1: have ever spent money on us A kind Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if look if the roads just a network of SR
Speaker 1: seventy it was, that was almost three million dollars in
Speaker 1: today's money for one Yeah. Sure, but like just like
Speaker 1: just like a trillion dollar. Look at how much worse
Speaker 1: that plane looks than the SR sevent one. Like if
Speaker 1: I success flying around in FT, they're so wet, they're
Speaker 1: so bad because Professor Xavier has has fucking style. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: So there's the other things they're building there are horrifying. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the most important ones that I think people
Speaker 1: have sort of like forgotten the real impact of is
Speaker 1: is that the F one sevent Nighthawk and so so
Speaker 1: Eric fifty one is basically where American steuth technology is developed,
Speaker 1: which really does on the conspiracy. But like, no, this
Speaker 1: is actually like yeah, this, this is this is what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They're doing, Yeah, they're doing stealth technology and
Speaker 1: the Nighthawk. The night Hawk is really bad. And the
Speaker 1: night Hawk is really bad because it fundamentally changes the
Speaker 1: balance of power between anti O weapons and bombers. And
Speaker 1: this means that the US can just, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: for example, just obliterate an army of fleeing Iraqi conscripts
Speaker 1: without having to like worry about someone shooting down their planes.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I do think I do think the
Speaker 1: Nighthawk looks way better than the previous plane we mentioned.
Speaker 1: That's for any one now has not a bad looking plane,
Speaker 1: but the night beautiful plane. It's a it is a
Speaker 1: horrible killing machine. It's all's designed for. And it looks
Speaker 1: like it it looks like death. Like the plane looks
Speaker 1: like It's true, it doesn't look like well that's why
Speaker 1: I likely there's only one or seventy one just looks
Speaker 1: like it looks like it looks like sex death, yeah,
Speaker 1: whereas where this one looks like it's like, this looks
Speaker 1: like like like like like yeah, like a government put
Speaker 1: into a plane that is death, that is and that
Speaker 1: is what it looks like. And so yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is this is part of a transition the night
Speaker 1: Hawks actually is there's an interesting transition that's happening here,
Speaker 1: which is that so the Nighthawks, Uh, the night Hawk
Speaker 1: is tested at at airy fifty one, but this is
Speaker 1: the first plane that like can actually drop bombs that
Speaker 1: air fifty one ever made because up until up until
Speaker 1: this point they've been doing mconnaissance aircraft that be doing
Speaker 1: the YouTube that seventy one A twelve, which is like
Speaker 1: they're just capable of accidentally ending the world, whereas these
Speaker 1: deliberately ending it by dropping bombs. Yeah. And and this this,
Speaker 1: this is when the CIA gives control of A fifty
Speaker 1: one to the air Force one. Yeah, and this is all.
Speaker 1: This is also where airy fifty two comes in because
Speaker 1: fifty two, which it's it's it's literally just a facility
Speaker 1: next one. And so they Air fifty one is like sorry,
Speaker 1: Air fifty two is is built up basically to like
Speaker 1: house the night Hawks now it is it is interesting
Speaker 1: that like the older night Hawks look a lot more
Speaker 1: like UFOs than the newer night Hawks, Like the newer
Speaker 1: night Hawks look more like the stupid like tumbler batmobile
Speaker 1: but in a plane, the older night Hawks look a
Speaker 1: lot more sci fi um And it is interesting working
Speaker 1: the difference to be like, if I saw the older
Speaker 1: night Hawk could be like, oh that's the UFO. If
Speaker 1: I saw the newer night Hawk, I'm like, oh that
Speaker 1: is like a military plane. Yeah, well and I was.
Speaker 1: I will say this. So they start doing a lot
Speaker 1: of things to like reduce a number of UFO sightings
Speaker 1: they produce. So, like they said, they start flaying, they
Speaker 1: start flying at night because it was actually really hard
Speaker 1: to see a black airplane at night. Which yeah, but
Speaker 1: but you know, the the other thing that they're doing
Speaker 1: in Air fifty one, and they've been doing this really
Speaker 1: since the sixties is air fifty one is where the
Speaker 1: US basically develops its drones. Yeah, and that is that
Speaker 1: that is the modern thing that pilots talk about on
Speaker 1: CBS or whatever, and and you know, and it's it's
Speaker 1: so so. I I mean I've been sort of aware
Speaker 1: of this, I didn't fully understand it. The US like
Speaker 1: had drones in the sixties, which just for a yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like they like one of the things they do with
Speaker 1: the A twelve is they put like they had this
Speaker 1: like Ramjet drone on top of it, just like pretty
Speaker 1: like a Ramjet joone is sick. Like that's like that's
Speaker 1: just like a cool thing. Yeah, if it wasn't used
Speaker 1: for killing people, then all these things they're designed to people. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I talt about the ram jet things. They had
Speaker 1: to stop using it because it kept it kept just
Speaker 1: like like cutting the airplane that kept cutting the A
Speaker 1: twelve and a half. Okay, well to the ram Jet drone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, And I think that the last thing we
Speaker 1: should talk about is that, Yeah, so area fifty ones.
Speaker 1: The latest thing that we know that they did that
Speaker 1: is horrifying and awful is so up up until nine eleven,
Speaker 1: there had been a line in the U s military
Speaker 1: and that line was you do not put weapons on
Speaker 1: unarmed drones. Huh. After after oh what a time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everyone eleven uh, the air force in the CIA
Speaker 1: basically get together and they're trying to draw up a
Speaker 1: plan to kill Ben Lawden. And so their their plan
Speaker 1: to do this is to put health fire missiles on
Speaker 1: a drone. And this is this is this is the
Speaker 1: origin of what a horrible series of events, like the
Speaker 1: few decisions that have impacted the course of humanity for
Speaker 1: the next century that are being responsible for so many
Speaker 1: and this thing, you you can you can see where
Speaker 1: this is going in the initial thing because so when
Speaker 1: when when when they're testing the missiles on this right
Speaker 1: in Air fifty one, they set up like a mock
Speaker 1: version of like Ben Lawden's house, and they're setting it
Speaker 1: up so that they can figure out how many children
Speaker 1: they are going to kill when they blow this thing up. Yea,
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's that's that's that's been, that's been
Speaker 1: a fifty ones. Modern know, the worst the worst thing
Speaker 1: to come from places like this is putting guns on
Speaker 1: robots and drones. This is like the worst thing almost
Speaker 1: am almost almost ending the world with nuclear weapons, and
Speaker 1: then now drones deciding to put deciding to put bombs
Speaker 1: and weapons on little tiny things that fly and little
Speaker 1: and little robots that crawl around. This is the worst
Speaker 1: thing imaginable that we could have We could have just
Speaker 1: not done, but we're like, nope, let's do it. And
Speaker 1: because the thing thing has occurd about it, even even
Speaker 1: though like seventies c i A was like, this is
Speaker 1: a bad idea. I know, it's one of one of
Speaker 1: the first laws of like one of the first laws
Speaker 1: of first leave of robotics, the first law of robotics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we stopped talking about that years ago, and now
Speaker 1: we have those. Now we have those fucking robot dogs
Speaker 1: with have fucking like five five six rifles six even worse,
Speaker 1: even worse. Yeah, and that's the episode. And yeare more
Speaker 1: rifle a little go right through a robot. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really excited for the robot war is and then you'll
Speaker 1: be it's gonna suck so bad. We're already in the
Speaker 1: robot wars. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's well, it's happened well,
Speaker 1: but you know what will never happen. It would have
Speaker 1: been so much it would have been so much better
Speaker 1: if it was just Aliens. God, what, No, it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I would have though if we ever do
Speaker 1: Stomry one, we should just destroy it like that. That's
Speaker 1: just that place. That place should be raised to the
Speaker 1: ground and like left as a monument to the people
Speaker 1: that killed, because that should be most of the states. Yes, yes, specifically,
Speaker 1: we fill every inch of it with concrete and we
Speaker 1: top it with a statue of Fox Molder. You know.
Speaker 1: You know what we do is we do the thing
Speaker 1: like for the theoretical, the theoretical nuclear waste disposal site. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is what we do. It is also still sort
Speaker 1: of a radiant and also it is still so radiant.
Speaker 1: So yeah, nothing nothing, nothing, nothing of value is kept here.
Speaker 1: Turn turn a way. Yea. Yeah, Well I wish it
Speaker 1: was Aliens. We all wish it was. All right, Well,
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