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Speaker 1: Allen Tomanso on the digital Soapbuch Network material witness on
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Speaker 1: into it, man. We got an amazing, amazing, amazing episode
Speaker 1: coming to you right now, James. We got some cats
Speaker 1: in here, man, that have probably a hundred years of
Speaker 1: history combined. Are going to come to these streets. These
Speaker 1: guys over hundred years. I'm I'm I'm estimating over a
Speaker 1: hundred years of street experience. Sitting right here in front
Speaker 1: of he was going wide doing time when I was
Speaker 1: a weighty boster. I'm assuming that these three brothers that
Speaker 1: are sitting right here with us have at least thirty
Speaker 1: thirty plus years in the streets. That's over a hundred
Speaker 1: years a little more than that. So let's go ahead.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and introduce these brothers. All the way
Speaker 1: to my right is little Doc from six nine that's
Speaker 1: doing some phenomenal work right now in going into and
Speaker 1: then we got two brothers from eight seven kitchen. We
Speaker 1: got Pork and Smokey over here. What's our fellas? Hey man,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for coming down to
Speaker 1: be on another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad that James has a little history with with with
Speaker 1: two of the brothers at least, well I have history
Speaker 1: with with both sets, is that right? But the seven
Speaker 1: sixties goes I had a problem with one guy, uh
Speaker 1: I had mentioned. I know you probably don't want his name,
Speaker 1: but he was he was a motherucker. He don only
Speaker 1: want to gave me problems. Uh with the kitchens, I
Speaker 1: said every time on my on on this show, how
Speaker 1: I was involved in and on that side of the
Speaker 1: town as well as in Compton. Uh. Uh Still, Bill,
Speaker 1: we grew up together babies, and the only thing that
Speaker 1: divided us is been from different different neighborhoods. Uh Runt
Speaker 1: was my ride to die, which is a no Kitchen cript,
Speaker 1: and I would die for him. He's from the Munson family.
Speaker 1: You gotta shout out the months we did our thing
Speaker 1: and and and these guys here. I was just I
Speaker 1: was just telling smoke about the bush dances. So I
Speaker 1: go that far back. So I do have a history
Speaker 1: with Kitchen Crip. Uh My sister married uh Am Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh you know, I wanted to tell y'all when
Speaker 1: when when Mario was shot. You know, I got like
Speaker 1: seven bloods to go to the goddamn mar Luke Kenny
Speaker 1: giving blood and we all sat in that chair and
Speaker 1: gave him blood. And they asked me, and it's quit,
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? Because the family, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and and that attachment there, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it broke us up because we was from different places.
Speaker 1: And then when uh Run was killed, I was like
Speaker 1: like devastated when he got killed. And I pretty much
Speaker 1: hated everything, but I always stayed in contact. Was we
Speaker 1: in China in eighties seven? No, it was it was
Speaker 1: somebody else from Kitchen. We was in there and they
Speaker 1: tried to kick us out of the damn day room.
Speaker 1: It was somebody, But anyway, man, I appreciate y'all being here,
Speaker 1: and we we got a lot of history here and
Speaker 1: I'm ready to let's get it going. Well. These three
Speaker 1: brothers is I called treat activists. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you guys call yourselves, but y'all doing some incredible work,
Speaker 1: work that a lot of people didn't think was possible.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know where to start, man,
Speaker 1: but I guess let's just start with your all. Your
Speaker 1: transitions from being bangers from your neighborhood to now peacemakers.
Speaker 1: That's a huge transition, and I know it doesn't happen overnight,
Speaker 1: So let's start with your pork. Well, I've really been well,
Speaker 1: I've really been involved trying to make things right. When
Speaker 1: I was with Arkansas called Mad Dads a long time ago,
Speaker 1: and it kind of failed, but failed below the waist
Speaker 1: and um, But this time were not that we stand
Speaker 1: hooking up with Doc and a couple other brothers. I'm
Speaker 1: really older now and I understand I'm within on now,
Speaker 1: you know. So it wasn't none of that. Oh No,
Speaker 1: we lost community homies. We would never be able to
Speaker 1: do this, you know what the back what we did
Speaker 1: was see doc for example, been talking to my homeboy
Speaker 1: Kitching Mo for a while when they was in the
Speaker 1: pain together. And when Kitchen Moo got out of he
Speaker 1: was talking about it because he made it. He made
Speaker 1: a statement on the video that when you were locked up,
Speaker 1: it ain't the same as you are on the streets.
Speaker 1: So East coaches and he was hanging with kitchens. Um
Speaker 1: with kitchen East Coast was hanging in jail. So when
Speaker 1: he got out evolved that you know, he wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: go against another coast because they was kicking it in jail.
Speaker 1: And for you people don't understand that when you go
Speaker 1: to prison, cripts hanging with cripts, bloods hanging with bloods,
Speaker 1: regardless of the beachs or whatever, and you gotta come
Speaker 1: together some kind of way in there, and that's how
Speaker 1: you survived, all right, Smoke. How did you get into
Speaker 1: the work, basically? Um, I got into the work a
Speaker 1: while ago when you mentioned Mad Dads, I'm the person
Speaker 1: who who started Mad Dad's in l A. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a group of brothers I found out about
Speaker 1: in Omar, Nebraska, which made me find out what they
Speaker 1: was about. And so I got with some brothers in
Speaker 1: l A and we started and we started up doing
Speaker 1: the Mad Dads. And Porky was right there with me, man,
Speaker 1: every step of the way, you know, because he's like
Speaker 1: you know, he's like my little brother. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I met him go back so far, you know.
Speaker 1: But uh, I've just been I was. I was tired
Speaker 1: a long time ago. This was right after the right
Speaker 1: before the riots, Rodney King riots, you know, when we
Speaker 1: started the Mad Dad's. Uh, So I was. I had
Speaker 1: been tired for a while, you know, because I had
Speaker 1: been a father for for for a long time. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a father of team kids. Whoa so I got
Speaker 1: you know, I got eight boys and two girls, man,
Speaker 1: and so uh, I wanted to see my kids men
Speaker 1: grow up in a better environment. And so I know
Speaker 1: I have to change my lifetime, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was, I've been working on that for a while,
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember when um, I hollowed at
Speaker 1: you at the restaurant over there in the hood. What's
Speaker 1: the name of that spot, um Bobo Bobos. We was
Speaker 1: at Bobos and uh you was talking a little bit.
Speaker 1: We got a little bit about the work that you
Speaker 1: were involved in or not, you know, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: A couple of people hit me up and said, man,
Speaker 1: the kitchens ain't doing none of that stuff. Some of youngsters,
Speaker 1: of course, And we're gonna talk about dealing with the
Speaker 1: youngsters at um at some point in this episode. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you're always gonna have haters. Man, yeah, alright, we'll hate
Speaker 1: those hide behind the counters. Ain't gonna show you in
Speaker 1: your faith are writing stuff that you never go see.
Speaker 1: But when they play big part of this because you
Speaker 1: got to to two neighborhoods that came and and is
Speaker 1: this all sixties, I mean East Coast that's when it
Speaker 1: I put it for all autonomous. Well we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to that in a moment. But so you got all
Speaker 1: of it then all the kitchen, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a big thing. So you had a little homies that
Speaker 1: really don't know the history of neither side. They just
Speaker 1: we had we had a we had a uh you
Speaker 1: know in here, and he explained it kind of well,
Speaker 1: you have gang bangers, and you have gang members, you
Speaker 1: have catch that Jodan hood but don't know nothing about
Speaker 1: their hood, but them in the wars that give you
Speaker 1: more friction? How you how you how you keep them
Speaker 1: out the way to keep this like one hunted because
Speaker 1: this is positive. Well, everything right now is a working progress.
Speaker 1: Everything is working progress right now. For example, before when
Speaker 1: Doc and let's talk that the United we stand me
Speaker 1: and we met Smoke and a couple of more O
Speaker 1: G hunboys got together. We've been talking about this for
Speaker 1: like a month and a half before we even did it. Yea,
Speaker 1: we had people they want to do it. But over
Speaker 1: you know, we we sat down. It wasn't dead like okay,
Speaker 1: Porky said, they go do Nah. I had to go
Speaker 1: all the way to everybody had some harm dead to
Speaker 1: him all the when we talked. We had like three
Speaker 1: folk major meetings before we really sat at the table
Speaker 1: and we came to the point and it got to
Speaker 1: happen time for real. Alright, little Doc, how did you
Speaker 1: get into the work. I'm assuming you got into a
Speaker 1: relatively young but you had these conversations in prison, which
Speaker 1: is really part of the work. Yes, sir, I started
Speaker 1: uh Man Kitchen Moe. We was talking up in prison
Speaker 1: together about coming out to the streets because we we've
Speaker 1: seen what was and then in prison, you know, we
Speaker 1: just two real you know, crips talking, you know, rivalries,
Speaker 1: but men kitchen more, never being came at each other,
Speaker 1: game banging because he grew up in my hood too,
Speaker 1: so we always was friends. So we never came at
Speaker 1: each other. And what we did in prison, we saw
Speaker 1: how we was just up in there getting along, you know,
Speaker 1: like it stops right here though. But on the streets
Speaker 1: we're trying to kill each other and have it at
Speaker 1: each other. But then we hit the county jail, we're
Speaker 1: still trying to have it each other. Then we hit
Speaker 1: the prison yard. Just like I can't do that. Explain
Speaker 1: that to the millions of listeners of the Gangster chronicles
Speaker 1: around the world who don't understand that where you added
Speaker 1: in the streets, you added in the county, but as
Speaker 1: soon as you hit that level four, everybody's united on
Speaker 1: racial lines. Explain it don't have to be a little
Speaker 1: forward period. Well, I've heard on level ones that people
Speaker 1: don't really program like that. On level one level that's true,
Speaker 1: that's true. Like if you if you're on the level one,
Speaker 1: two and three, sometimes it can be like the county
Speaker 1: jail because the streets. But at a level of folk
Speaker 1: prison one eighty you locked in, you know, like I
Speaker 1: didn't hit Pelican Bay, Calipatri High Desert. All level folds
Speaker 1: one eighty yards and you're more scorched in. They don't
Speaker 1: give you a lot of space in the day room.
Speaker 1: They don't get a lot of space on the yard.
Speaker 1: They put gates between the yard, so you won't have
Speaker 1: a lot of yard as as you would like on
Speaker 1: the one and two and three, so you must they
Speaker 1: cut the yard off and run a gate between, and
Speaker 1: then they say, well, we'll put you guys on this yard,
Speaker 1: this one and two building, get yard together, and this
Speaker 1: yard here on the other side of the gate, three
Speaker 1: and fold building get yard together. Whereas a one, two
Speaker 1: and three yard prison, everybody come out to the yard
Speaker 1: all four buildings, and then you know you have a
Speaker 1: lot of game bang and still going on. But the
Speaker 1: level of four, everybody is mostly like people that then
Speaker 1: basically just don't give a month like you have to
Speaker 1: be real respectful to people at a level four prisons.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to get a knife ran up
Speaker 1: in you, then don't be walking around trying to be
Speaker 1: disrespectful to people. You know, you don't even you know,
Speaker 1: all day long, people is hid. Excuse me, my brother
Speaker 1: could out, you know, you know, because we all kill us,
Speaker 1: so you gotta respect another killer. You don't want to
Speaker 1: say nothing wrong, and the cat just bring it to
Speaker 1: you because you was disrespectful, the lightest, lightest little disrespect
Speaker 1: to get you a knife for in up and let
Speaker 1: me ask you about respect. Someone told me they was
Speaker 1: on a level four and the bathroom was directly across,
Speaker 1: but there was a track field between the bathroom and
Speaker 1: the track field and the way you go to the
Speaker 1: bathroom in terms of respecting everybody as you walk around
Speaker 1: that whole track field and then you go into the bathroom,
Speaker 1: is that something that is uh? Is that strict on
Speaker 1: the level four? Well? No, not really like a level
Speaker 1: of folk. You really just walk the track, you know.
Speaker 1: If you're on the track, you walk the track. If
Speaker 1: you when they had weights, if you live in weights,
Speaker 1: you're playing handball, anything, then you shoot over to the restrooms.
Speaker 1: You know. Basically a lot of homies used to be
Speaker 1: like you know Northeiol's South Side, you know, Black Sports,
Speaker 1: B GF, C, C O, Blue note, all of those
Speaker 1: prison organizations and then those who are uncut. That's just
Speaker 1: straight crips and bloods. It was like, don't go walking
Speaker 1: across the enemies. Like if you have south Side meskins
Speaker 1: kicking them right here and it's thirty of them right
Speaker 1: here that state car, then you got to go to
Speaker 1: the restroom and they right there by the restroom take
Speaker 1: two or three homies with you while you're pissing. They're
Speaker 1: watching your back just in case they say, oh, they're slipping.
Speaker 1: He over here taking a piss. Let's let's get let's
Speaker 1: get this. He's slipping, and they run some iron up
Speaker 1: in you. And that's where all the unity comes in
Speaker 1: that you're talking about what you would have enemies set,
Speaker 1: but he's probably watching your back while you're taking a
Speaker 1: piss exactly. So you you now you're up in here.
Speaker 1: You're on the streets like as a us in kitchens, uh,
Speaker 1: coming together, trucing and up in the prison system. I
Speaker 1: got porky and smoke telling me you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: pitch dock. I go ahead, we got you do a thing,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know they're gonna watch my back real quick.
Speaker 1: Even though with robberies on the streets and that type
Speaker 1: of relationship made you into a more h give you
Speaker 1: a sense of pride for as your people not want
Speaker 1: to go back to the streets and just say, oh,
Speaker 1: that go porky from kitchen, that go smoke people, kitch,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him. You more like, what's up with you, hommie?
Speaker 1: And then he like, what's up with you? Boy? Like
Speaker 1: what you're doing out here? Well? I make the or refinery?
Speaker 1: Yeah they hired you. Got a number on how I
Speaker 1: get in there. I'm trying to work too. You know,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna talk and mingle because you know where you
Speaker 1: come from and where you've been, so you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a different game now. It seems like that's where
Speaker 1: the whole gang trups and really is. It's rooted in
Speaker 1: the relationships and bonds that you guys make in prison
Speaker 1: and then bring it to the streets. It's like a
Speaker 1: maturity thing. You know, you you you become a man
Speaker 1: at a level fold because you're gonna you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a man because if you come in there as a boy,
Speaker 1: you're gonna leave out of man. What happens to an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old that hits the level four? You know
Speaker 1: he frashed out, never been the prison before, and he
Speaker 1: won a gang bang. That's what he's not gonna do.
Speaker 1: He gonna get some mine, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They're they're gonna run some mine and you're gonna get
Speaker 1: chalked up in there. You're gonna get talked, You're gonna
Speaker 1: get you know, either, you're gonna come in there and
Speaker 1: you're gonna program bro, because they're gonna let you know
Speaker 1: this is not the county jail, Bro. And then then
Speaker 1: my homie being up from East Coach Crept, I might
Speaker 1: have a homie that when pork and smoke come up
Speaker 1: in there and they say they just getting there, blanket
Speaker 1: and everything. They're going to get house. They're walking our
Speaker 1: building when we sleep at it and ourselves our build it.
Speaker 1: And they might walk in and we're like, where y'all from?
Speaker 1: Cause and I'm porting from kitchen, I'm smoking from kitchen.
Speaker 1: And then we shake their hands, we greet them. I'm
Speaker 1: a little document. What's up? You know? Your your rooms
Speaker 1: over here? Humming, We get the water over here. We
Speaker 1: don't touch these shot whatever we've been separated for as
Speaker 1: Messican blacks and whites. We let them know that So
Speaker 1: when the little young homies that want to be game
Speaker 1: banging and acting ignorance still and trying to be young
Speaker 1: and a teams still acting like they want to game ba,
Speaker 1: you know, we tell them to, you know, shake their hand, homie,
Speaker 1: and he can be from East coach crypt he might,
Speaker 1: little homie, but I'm gonna tell him to do that.
Speaker 1: And now if feet shaking and half ash shake it,
Speaker 1: or he tried to act funny, then I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: him do that in front of smoking and port and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna pull him to the side, take them
Speaker 1: up in the cell and be like, why you do that, hommie,
Speaker 1: Why you disrespect me like that as your g homie.
Speaker 1: All through them, the enemies. But we want to up here, homie,
Speaker 1: we need them. That man might say, your life when
Speaker 1: the rides up, bro, and then we'll suck him up
Speaker 1: for them. Now that's deep right there, getting the youngsters
Speaker 1: and check. But you know it's confusing to a youngster
Speaker 1: because he was taught to bang on the enemy. He
Speaker 1: was taught we don't like these people, we hate them.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden you're telling him, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's cool. Now the circumstances and like you just said,
Speaker 1: this man might save your life. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: If if it just if it was divided, when the
Speaker 1: white boys take off, you know, when the Mexicans come you,
Speaker 1: you might lose. You know what I'm saying. Anything can happen.
Speaker 1: So that's what we need on the streets, that structure
Speaker 1: that these junctions listening to the big hommies, they gotta
Speaker 1: understand where the fall in line at. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You don't have that to day because they're
Speaker 1: doing what they want to do. They're not respecting no jeeves.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. In some hoods, maybe you
Speaker 1: know the call this thing. He said that because I
Speaker 1: don't know, Man, is something about our hood. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like me and Smoke all the armies. We the
Speaker 1: keys get passed down, the keys get passed. We start
Speaker 1: getting in our fifties, it's time to pass the keys down,
Speaker 1: but we pass them down to level heads. I've seen
Speaker 1: something that was real, real that just blew my mind.
Speaker 1: And know the work I'm doing right now. I have
Speaker 1: two of our homies got the keys from both sides
Speaker 1: eight seven one six, and they talked. They came to
Speaker 1: the meetings united, We're standing. We had a meeting. It
Speaker 1: was so cold I had to turn I had to
Speaker 1: get out and walk out. Man, I'm like, damn, they
Speaker 1: understand and they data ones. But of men, smokey go
Speaker 1: over there. They know we still who we are, but
Speaker 1: we ain't out there with y'all no more. And y'all
Speaker 1: gonna respect your big homies. If not y'all, they're gonna
Speaker 1: handle it. And that's the way we did are so
Speaker 1: so forth. It's been going cool. Even when we had
Speaker 1: the truth, it's been going cool because we put it
Speaker 1: in two young dudes hands. We met us in the
Speaker 1: coaches and they young homies mad and so for being respect. Respect,
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, man, Respect, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And and see that's the thing with a
Speaker 1: lot of the young homies don't respect a lot of
Speaker 1: the big homies. How to how the whole thing that's
Speaker 1: got out of the whack because a lot of the
Speaker 1: big armies kind of left the little homies out there
Speaker 1: to see him for themselves. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's why me at fifty nine years old, I
Speaker 1: still keep a relationship with my little homies that represent
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying, and they respect
Speaker 1: me for that. You know, I ain't got to be
Speaker 1: over there under them. I got two or three jobs,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I ain't got to be
Speaker 1: over there checking on them. I ain't got to be
Speaker 1: over there worrying about what they're doing and making sure
Speaker 1: they're safe. But because I care, and because I know
Speaker 1: a lot of them gang banging because they saw me
Speaker 1: doing it, you know what I'm saying, And so I
Speaker 1: feel responsible now that I know, I know what's way
Speaker 1: I posted. They pust a really go to be an
Speaker 1: example the example I am. Now. I want them to.
Speaker 1: I want them to grow old like me. I want
Speaker 1: them to have grandkids like me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But they going the where they're going, They're not gonna
Speaker 1: get this age, you know what I'm saying. And so
Speaker 1: that's what my thing is about. You know, I think
Speaker 1: it's it went crazy because some of the big homies
Speaker 1: went to the crack and it's hard to respect, to
Speaker 1: respect the big homie. But then they look at you,
Speaker 1: one of the big homies that that still dress good
Speaker 1: still doing this thing and respect itself. They have to
Speaker 1: respect you them the ones should be scared of that's
Speaker 1: still doing anything and it's still coming to the hood
Speaker 1: and pushing it like that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to still be that nigger. And that's
Speaker 1: where it's killing it because ain't ready to go do
Speaker 1: thirty five. I ain't ready to say that. Can't get
Speaker 1: it to him, like you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I mean, is it hard
Speaker 1: to just keep everybody like go on that shame page
Speaker 1: like I said. It's like I said, And it took
Speaker 1: a minute. Look the person we got right now, they
Speaker 1: sat down, they outolized, they know everything was going on,
Speaker 1: and they talked to the youngsters. We got two people
Speaker 1: that's over over the youngsters and they followed and they've
Speaker 1: been Like I said, we laid it out for a
Speaker 1: whole month folk meetings. Everybody said what they didn't like,
Speaker 1: Everybody said what they liked. Everybody said, Hi, I can come.
Speaker 1: What we gonna do, And like we said, even with
Speaker 1: me and Doctor Rode together, we're gon eat Pig Doc
Speaker 1: up Dot God my homeboy house now. But outside we
Speaker 1: keep it ass. Doc from these coach, I'm from kitchen.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna mix up no party in because when
Speaker 1: you mix up that party in, all hell fall loose.
Speaker 1: And me and Doctor said that, and we even talked
Speaker 1: to our homies what we meet with each other. It's cool,
Speaker 1: we gonna do that, but we don't want to party.
Speaker 1: We don't come you know, alcohol, alcohol, We kick everything.
Speaker 1: We're gonna fight, somebody gonna be so we already me
Speaker 1: smoking a big hombies always said, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: cool and you're honest people, the ninety two truths. That's
Speaker 1: what funked that up. Everybody partying and clashing like that
Speaker 1: in different neighborhoods and this and that, nobody is sitting
Speaker 1: back or even thinking about. Man, these dudes and killed
Speaker 1: thirty of our homies. You shouldn't have drinking with these motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: And at the not I smoked this blunt hume. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's not the place for that.
Speaker 1: My mentality ain't ready for that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And we gotta look at it. When we was coming up,
Speaker 1: we was hard headed, just fun. Can't nobody each other ship.
Speaker 1: Now we got little homies, We got our nephews, We
Speaker 1: got our little cousins out there. Now they want to
Speaker 1: be what we were because they want to emulate that ship.
Speaker 1: So how you just telling man, you're doing it the
Speaker 1: wrong way. I'm just gonna say, Man, it's it's hard. Man,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be up. Because now they got all these
Speaker 1: different influence influences, you know what, these ramped videos and
Speaker 1: these rappers just running around, swam down there and did
Speaker 1: this and did that, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: they got they got a lot of distractions in their
Speaker 1: life going on, man, And then they got more access
Speaker 1: to the to the to the hardcore weapons that we
Speaker 1: didn't have access to. You know, That's why you've got
Speaker 1: so many killers going on there because a lot of
Speaker 1: the youngest they they don't know how to fight. You
Speaker 1: don't know how to fight like real men. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I come from the area where you
Speaker 1: had to fight, you know what I'm saying. And so
Speaker 1: me last I wanted to do was pick up a gun.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We picked up a gun,
Speaker 1: but we really had you know, and then and back then,
Speaker 1: a lot of us had more heart. If you with
Speaker 1: my ask today, you got me today tomorrow, I won't
Speaker 1: meet you at the same time tomorrow, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: see we don't keep thanks. I went when he went
Speaker 1: back back in the day, you didn't consider yourself a
Speaker 1: punk if you I'm but I'm to. But they're here here,
Speaker 1: You got all you guys in one place, and you
Speaker 1: look at it, and I look at it like it's
Speaker 1: a good thing, because it's about time that we wake
Speaker 1: up and smell of coffee. We're only doing us, but
Speaker 1: we blame an other motherfucker's for killing ourselves. And now
Speaker 1: here we got the East coast and we got two
Speaker 1: kitchens saying fun. We had take the front and we
Speaker 1: we'll showing you all we can do this ship and
Speaker 1: good and you can't get no better than that. And
Speaker 1: be good man, not worrying about ship, not worrying about
Speaker 1: if your son want to be out there, you know,
Speaker 1: and that might not be your son and get killed,
Speaker 1: but it might be your daughter trying to get it.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, and it's I just say,
Speaker 1: it's about time that we waited up and see that
Speaker 1: we're not getting the paycheck for doing this. Ship all
Speaker 1: you feel me. We're losing how many years since you've
Speaker 1: been alive, how many prison years you've got already? Maybe
Speaker 1: fifteen out of you, every last one of them. I'm escate,
Speaker 1: But I gotta say, Man, I brother Doc. Man, I
Speaker 1: love him. Man, Oh boy, you know uh Man, I
Speaker 1: knew of Doc, but I never met Doc, but just
Speaker 1: that respect by being locked up together and Doc was
Speaker 1: locked up with catching MO. But but even then I
Speaker 1: grew a relationship because I'm protecting his life as well
Speaker 1: as he protected. Mind. You gotta understand that. So I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get on the street and say that's
Speaker 1: you didn't grew a bond already. And that's the same
Speaker 1: thing that I'm meetings to. Man, when we got all
Speaker 1: these brothers who who don't did thirty years, that's coming
Speaker 1: home and they're telling the junctions how he might be
Speaker 1: a blood But I crip had my back when I
Speaker 1: was in jail, I was really saying. And then young
Speaker 1: they're seeing this now, you know what I'm saying, Because
Speaker 1: we got a lot of old Jesus come to our meetings,
Speaker 1: man that then been in the pin and then seeing
Speaker 1: them forward relationship with the outside. That's what it's all about. Man,
Speaker 1: show we gotta we gotta show that and tell the
Speaker 1: young showy jongs man you banging with against these brothers.
Speaker 1: But when I was in jail man ship, that brother
Speaker 1: came to my rescue all the time, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And these brothers got to see that. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a whole different ball game, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We're starting from the bottom on the east side. You
Speaker 1: don't get the east side, right, So what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do next? Who you're all gonna bring in and dot
Speaker 1: dot doctor man? Right now? We we we got we
Speaker 1: went to we did the uh. We was already talking
Speaker 1: like like the hummies say, were talking about getting kitchen
Speaker 1: and us together because you know us in kitchen girl,
Speaker 1: we was tighter, tighten frog pussy man, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So well, we there was. We was putting
Speaker 1: ourselves in motion to get together. We had means everything
Speaker 1: way before we got together with their thirteens, so you know,
Speaker 1: we just did. They thing came and it was so urgent,
Speaker 1: so we got their amount the way. Then we went
Speaker 1: to our own race of people and we was like,
Speaker 1: now we gotta do it. Bro, if we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it with these essays, we gotta gonna get this cracking
Speaker 1: with our people, which is catching crips. And uh so
Speaker 1: we heard it up and got that together and did
Speaker 1: that one right now. You know, what I'm telling I'm
Speaker 1: working on is trying to get my homies to realize,
Speaker 1: like you know, the young homies, they only they're gonna
Speaker 1: respect their gee homies if you're still out there and
Speaker 1: you're in the trenches when they need ride homes, they're
Speaker 1: trying to smoke some weed, they need a little drink
Speaker 1: and they're hungry. Just get them, you know, and buy
Speaker 1: everybody from chili cheese fries. You're the big homie, you know,
Speaker 1: when when when they getting busted on and and and
Speaker 1: they gotta go bust back, and they you know that
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta get out there and be like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go bust with you and everything. But when
Speaker 1: you regulate and everything has a big homie, then they're like,
Speaker 1: that's the big homie. They're gonna look at everything else like,
Speaker 1: you know, don't come down from Marino Valley trying to
Speaker 1: tell me ship don't get off work on from from
Speaker 1: the ory finally or trying to tell me nothing. But
Speaker 1: now if you're respectable, you holmie like the hommie pork
Speaker 1: and smoke, saying they loved you and respected you because
Speaker 1: you paved the way and they look up to you
Speaker 1: for that. And they're gonna always hold it in and
Speaker 1: they're hard and say, big homie, what you want us
Speaker 1: to do? Because we love you, We'll never changed on you.
Speaker 1: So those big homies gonna always be heard too. But
Speaker 1: a lot of old g's they want to grow these
Speaker 1: long beers and time into little braids and try to
Speaker 1: walk up on these justice tomorrow. You know I am.
Speaker 1: You know you're talking to They will kill him in
Speaker 1: the blink of eye because they're like, you, big homie,
Speaker 1: how you don't come down here jumping out on me,
Speaker 1: open a bottle, looker in the hood and jump out
Speaker 1: on me. They just killed my brother over here yesterday,
Speaker 1: you know, the enemies, and you over here to what
Speaker 1: I'm doing doing write on that wall right there, you know,
Speaker 1: hoss that is. And all this little hommies be like, man,
Speaker 1: I knock your head, I blow your way. I don't
Speaker 1: respect you. You ain't magi hommie. So they look at
Speaker 1: this how the youngsters are growing up today. So to
Speaker 1: try to get them to get involved in what we're pushing,
Speaker 1: I'm trying, we're trying to show them, you know, we're
Speaker 1: coming at them like, look, bro, don't be a fool.
Speaker 1: And so I hate to do your thing, claim the
Speaker 1: hood and bang, but when these murders get to jump,
Speaker 1: and don't be so quick to kill your people, because look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. You You go out there and you
Speaker 1: catch the murder, they give you twenty seven to life.
Speaker 1: And then before you can get five years in, you
Speaker 1: hear us out here playing niggers in the baseball game,
Speaker 1: and you and they're going, I'll game doing and I
Speaker 1: just killed too, and I got twenty seven to life, right,
Speaker 1: So and so, don't get caught up in the stupidity
Speaker 1: of it so fast, you know, make sure it's something real,
Speaker 1: make sure it's a real cause, and then make sure
Speaker 1: you can always communicate with each other for going to
Speaker 1: war with your race of people, like hold on, we
Speaker 1: ain't gotta go to war. Hold on, man, you know,
Speaker 1: look look girl, you went over there, you was messing
Speaker 1: with this dude. Now, this is this is some sexual
Speaker 1: stuff you got going on. With to do. He didn't
Speaker 1: left you for another broad. Now you want to come
Speaker 1: get us some money? Slap you, he got the keys
Speaker 1: to your car. He won't give you to your stuff back.
Speaker 1: We don't question her, just the home girl. So youngsters
Speaker 1: is just quick to say, let's go there. We'll get
Speaker 1: off on them. They got the home girl. He slapped
Speaker 1: the home girl, and she gonna make them feel like
Speaker 1: y'all ain't doing nothing about it. You know, I wish
Speaker 1: what's her name was out? So that pumps little youngsters
Speaker 1: up to say, you know, I'm an handle it. Then
Speaker 1: he go and handle it. So we gotta check the
Speaker 1: women as well as the little homies. That's quick the move.
Speaker 1: You know, my thing is hold on for you. Move
Speaker 1: that quick because see, guess what if this beef is
Speaker 1: between you and him? Okay, dude, drew down took your car,
Speaker 1: slap you with the pistol, snatch your jewry, took the
Speaker 1: money out of your pockets. You're still alive. You're still alive.
Speaker 1: I know somebody over there from their hood. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take you back over there. You can. You can get
Speaker 1: around with him. We're gonna try to get your jury
Speaker 1: back and your money and your car. Could you hold on,
Speaker 1: let me try that before you just go over there
Speaker 1: and say it's on and kick a war off. And
Speaker 1: now we lose tin on our side, they lose tent
Speaker 1: on their side, you know. So it's it's it's, it's
Speaker 1: it's a way our pride get hurt so fast as
Speaker 1: black people. You know, we can go to slaws and
Speaker 1: swap meet to run into an enemy and if he
Speaker 1: whipped you from shoulder to shoulder, you can have some
Speaker 1: brothers accept that and say it's nothing. You're still talking.
Speaker 1: You're talking, and he's talking, y'all talking, reckless talking. It's nothing.
Speaker 1: You did that, okay. But some bludders will go up
Speaker 1: in there and get running to an enemy and get
Speaker 1: out and he whoop him real good, and he's looking
Speaker 1: around the women giggling like he whooped again. Now he
Speaker 1: won't come back to the sloughs of the park on
Speaker 1: the lot and let her can't go on. Everybody that
Speaker 1: you see from this cathood just from a squabble hun
Speaker 1: and there ain't nobody on the set to say, hold on, honey,
Speaker 1: don't go up there doing all that. You want to
Speaker 1: get a fade back. We're gonna call them, tell them
Speaker 1: they meet us back up there. You around to him,
Speaker 1: you know, other than that, that's not worth you doing that, bro,
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's the input we give
Speaker 1: as O g s. If you're still out there with
Speaker 1: them in the trenches, and they're gonna get that, they're
Speaker 1: gonna accept that and take it and run with it
Speaker 1: coming from you because you're out there with them. But
Speaker 1: they're not gonna accept you being a g coming from
Speaker 1: no Merino Valley, Lancaster back down in South central l A.
Speaker 1: Trying to tell him something. They're not gonna accept there.
Speaker 1: Kill you. But see if you're still old gee, they
Speaker 1: know you are killed him. If they disrespect you, then
Speaker 1: they're gonna respect You're gonna we're gonna say pork, I said,
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. We uh, that's what we did.
Speaker 1: Like um, we share numbers all the jeez crips bloods
Speaker 1: for if one of my homeboys somewhere call me, one
Speaker 1: of your homeboys somewhere call call me, I'll call you.
Speaker 1: Let's diffuse it right away. And like I said, I
Speaker 1: give dot props a couple is incidents and took place.
Speaker 1: He diffused it see that works supposed to getting everybody
Speaker 1: together and let's get drunk les. Yeah, So I mean
Speaker 1: that's like, man, just everything you're saying is like just
Speaker 1: on some one hunt. Man, if you can type everything
Speaker 1: you said, or just get a billboard and let everybody
Speaker 1: see what you just said, then a whole lot of
Speaker 1: gonna put the swords down and and understand that as
Speaker 1: whooping shouldn't cause you your life. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And man, that's that's that's that's it's like it's like Pork,
Speaker 1: like Pork was saying, Man, we don't when we agreed
Speaker 1: to do our things and kitchens, you know in the coast,
Speaker 1: we we we said already we're gonna let it. Let
Speaker 1: the little homies start running to each other's sets, to
Speaker 1: my kitchen, giving the party. They offered us to come
Speaker 1: with truths and cuts, because then we around fall out,
Speaker 1: some silly ship happens. So you know, the way, we're
Speaker 1: trying to get everybody to see the truths going. You know,
Speaker 1: like you said, who's next? You know my thing, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get fire those broadway to the table, let
Speaker 1: them do broadways. I'm trying to gather up the East
Speaker 1: Side period, the dim moves even on the East Side.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get us all to come together as
Speaker 1: black folks and and the thing we're pushing as united
Speaker 1: we stand. We're only trying to facilitate. Look, you see
Speaker 1: me at your gas station, homie, you know we're trucon.
Speaker 1: Let me get the gag has going my way home.
Speaker 1: It ain't worth killing your brother because he at your
Speaker 1: gas station home. It ain't worth killing him because he
Speaker 1: had the liquor stow. It ain't worth killing him because
Speaker 1: he had your hamburger. Staying in your hood. It ain't
Speaker 1: worth killing them because his mama living your hood and
Speaker 1: over there you've been waiting. Don't even to come back.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, we used to call that a pass.
Speaker 1: When we've seen the nig and we wanted him that bad,
Speaker 1: and we've seen him with his mama, we call that
Speaker 1: a pass. With your mom and your daughter. You got
Speaker 1: one one good. These days they don't do that no respect.
Speaker 1: But if it's just on that level, like he's saying,
Speaker 1: just man, we're trucing. We're all good. We shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to kill each other because I ran out of gas.
Speaker 1: We we don't have to kill each other because I'm
Speaker 1: in the market with my girl. What's going on? I
Speaker 1: just nodded. You know, our niggas do and and and
Speaker 1: let me bounce, and that will stay with a lot
Speaker 1: of lives. But don't don't don't go. Don't think because
Speaker 1: we're truthing. Then you're just gonna come over here in
Speaker 1: these cats. That's your robbery hood. The truth is going cool.
Speaker 1: If whoever want to mingle, can mingle like I like
Speaker 1: Porch say, I go over his homie Billy jack house
Speaker 1: because myms live in confidence. So I swooped right around there.
Speaker 1: We we got a relationship by and we kicks it.
Speaker 1: I messed with a little murder from kitchen, you know,
Speaker 1: and me and him was from in the jail house
Speaker 1: together when we were sitting up in there week forty deep.
Speaker 1: He come up in there like man is on all
Speaker 1: these coaches. I'm the only kitchen. I tell him, man,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody gonna do ship to you. I don't get
Speaker 1: down like that, bro, And I try to teach my
Speaker 1: little homies like that. Don't get down because you know,
Speaker 1: you got a big hood and you tend deep and
Speaker 1: here comes one of your enemies and you want to
Speaker 1: act horde, stump him out. That's a coward if you
Speaker 1: want to get down on him. And we deep just
Speaker 1: telling me and you, homie, you know what time it is.
Speaker 1: I told you I was gonna catch you. Get down
Speaker 1: with him and then tell all the homies kick back.
Speaker 1: I got this this wee minute. You know, I'm running
Speaker 1: with one, two, three, four five. See, that's what they're
Speaker 1: doing in the county. They tell you in a minute,
Speaker 1: you get out with him, him, him, him, him and him,
Speaker 1: and then you're cool in the dorm. You know. That's
Speaker 1: another thing we you know, we get and then we're
Speaker 1: going into county jail. We're just clicking up with whoever
Speaker 1: hate East Coast Crip hook up together, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: East Coast crib hate. They jump on our bad way.
Speaker 1: And then when we come back out to the streets,
Speaker 1: we don't even funk with each other on the streets.
Speaker 1: So while we're in here clicking up, because it's best
Speaker 1: to have more numbers than the next so you can
Speaker 1: funk over your brother, you know, because you can't do
Speaker 1: it one on one like a man supposed to do it. Now,
Speaker 1: when did the beef between the kitchen crips and the
Speaker 1: East Coast started. And how many years has it been
Speaker 1: up till two thirty eight years? Years? Years? And it's
Speaker 1: ironic because you said, we can't really be partying because
Speaker 1: that's gonna take us off track. But wasn't it a
Speaker 1: party that actually got the beef going? That started in
Speaker 1: the party? A party getting killed? Yeah, I started, And
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You have to lose somebody to to make
Speaker 1: it clear. A couple of people. Yeah, well we lost
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, just through the overall thing we lost.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of men, a lot of brothers gone,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and you know we
Speaker 1: can't bring them back, but that don't mean we can't
Speaker 1: stop this ship from happening again and again and again.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We shouldn't lose two thirty
Speaker 1: brothers in a month, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: that's that's all over. But I look at it like this.
Speaker 1: Everything is against us as game bangers, as black men,
Speaker 1: the whole nine, and everything is against us what y'all doing. Now,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have people come and gonna try to cut
Speaker 1: that down because they don't want that not coming from us.
Speaker 1: Many black people black men. If we all got together
Speaker 1: and just like how you said, and they and and
Speaker 1: and this ship just really worked, okay, and everybody is
Speaker 1: just man, I've seen a blue rag in a red
Speaker 1: rag that goddamn gang station on the period. What's happening
Speaker 1: over there. Police don't want that ship, So they're gonna
Speaker 1: find a way. Remember back in the days how they
Speaker 1: used to do it. But the thing about it now
Speaker 1: is I'm down for this. So it'll make a difference
Speaker 1: who come in a way of it. Because if I
Speaker 1: could die for a street, I could die for another
Speaker 1: youngster on the streets. It's the right way. There's my kids,
Speaker 1: you know. If I can die for a street, I
Speaker 1: can die for doing the right thing, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's the way I feel now. I don't want to
Speaker 1: ask about like beaver got killed and there are gonna
Speaker 1: be more beavers in the future. How could have what
Speaker 1: could have been done back in eighty one to prevent
Speaker 1: the East Coast is in the kitchens, going all out
Speaker 1: so that we could make sure in when there's another
Speaker 1: casualty that it doesn't become a full scale, you know,
Speaker 1: gang war on mop on my part, now Doc can
Speaker 1: say his part on my part, I was locked up.
Speaker 1: But and I have to tell the truth. What I
Speaker 1: did here was Big Beaver didn't want it to go
Speaker 1: that far. But when you in jail and you kicking
Speaker 1: it with all these people and then come down your
Speaker 1: homie got killed, it started. So the youngsters really took
Speaker 1: it another level than what Big Beaver wanted to go.
Speaker 1: And that's how I escalated more and more. Mhm and big, big,
Speaker 1: big big, you know that viv He came at the
Speaker 1: UH that that incident UH took place. Big Beig, we
Speaker 1: had a meeting but through the school, you know, as
Speaker 1: East Coast Quick, we just throw our meeting. But through
Speaker 1: the school and the UH seven sixers came with Big
Speaker 1: Beef to the meeting, so you know, all the other
Speaker 1: coach number was like when he walked into the meeting,
Speaker 1: We're like, what the fun? And everybody was like whoa
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on? You know, and you know we
Speaker 1: all know Big we all you know, we all, like
Speaker 1: I said, we was all tight together. So we all like,
Speaker 1: what the what's do? So the kitchen the seven sixtiest
Speaker 1: Coast is like the homie turn seven six, I mean,
Speaker 1: and we're like, no, he's just trying to find out
Speaker 1: who killed his brother. So he was like, y'all got
Speaker 1: to get him out of here, man, because BB was
Speaker 1: no fuss. He ain't no fun dude. So we're like, man,
Speaker 1: you don't see what BE trying to be. You gotta
Speaker 1: go be like no, We're like, no, man, I tried
Speaker 1: be you trying to kill it over. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not he ting all the homies, no, you know,
Speaker 1: So we're like all right, man. It was just you know,
Speaker 1: like one of them things where he end up. He
Speaker 1: was like they you know, he left out and then
Speaker 1: we had our meeting, but seven six in him they
Speaker 1: worked that out or whatever, you know, but it was
Speaker 1: just cool some sixes. Yeah, it was a shock and
Speaker 1: just to see that, you know, like we didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going on, and that takes that takes a
Speaker 1: strong person, man. You know what I'm saying. Bee was
Speaker 1: strong then, you know what I'm saying he was, you know,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if I could have did that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, brother can't kill my my brother,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm over
Speaker 1: here with him. I don't know if I could have
Speaker 1: did it man. But Bee was being big. He was
Speaker 1: being strong with it at that time, you know, because
Speaker 1: he saw that. I guess he saw the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: You know it wouldn't know you said a whole lot
Speaker 1: of other people died because his brother got killed behind
Speaker 1: some stuff. You know what I'm saying. And seeing I
Speaker 1: was in jail when it happened to you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So while I'm in ject before before East
Speaker 1: Coast and the East Coast, there was eight nine neighborhood
Speaker 1: was all neighborhoods in kitchen, and we was like this.
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of I got a lot
Speaker 1: of brothers from eight nine East Coast. Will tell you
Speaker 1: I'm the reason why they learned how to fight. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I made. I made a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of some of the brothers over there fight. You understand,
Speaker 1: when the enemies from across the tractors come over, then
Speaker 1: get out with that food took he got hard, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And so a lot of us,
Speaker 1: why a lot of them eight nine, they respect me
Speaker 1: because I ain't never had no problem with the coast.
Speaker 1: I got. I got homie from six nine. I'm not
Speaker 1: got homies from seventy six because I had a girlfriend everybody.
Speaker 1: That's why all these kids. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I've always you know what I'm saying, You had alliances
Speaker 1: with different neighborhoods yourself, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so it wasn't hard for me to to realize that, man,
Speaker 1: this is nonsense. That because the brother live on another side,
Speaker 1: you know, liveing on other side, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hate him first of all here he did nothing to me,
Speaker 1: So why I got to hate him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so we're gonna take a lot of
Speaker 1: these youngsters men realizing that they don'ta take a lot
Speaker 1: of us old g s to make these brothers realize
Speaker 1: that man, help them get the mature also because it
Speaker 1: ain't nothing about nothing but about me and immature man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so lovely, but they
Speaker 1: look for guidens because a lot of men had they.
Speaker 1: I had my father, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: had my father, the home me and all my life,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so a lot of
Speaker 1: these youngsters I didn't got no fathers. Man, and so
Speaker 1: they're just going by the street thing. Man, they're just
Speaker 1: going by what they here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take some real brothers that really know
Speaker 1: what's going on and really know what it's like to
Speaker 1: be locked up and how things is being locked up.
Speaker 1: That ship y'all was doing on the street, man, they
Speaker 1: don't do that ship up in here. And see how
Speaker 1: I was fortunate. I ain't never been in the penitential.
Speaker 1: I just went through the white system, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I got smart a long time ago, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I just thank God for that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm so, y'all ever thought of like
Speaker 1: having like seminars for the little homies, I mean, it
Speaker 1: start them from from when he had now to get
Speaker 1: him to learn a different like like a learner trade
Speaker 1: or something, and just one big homie, take two of
Speaker 1: the homies every other week. Check this up. What you're
Speaker 1: just saying is one percent like like smoke, and and
Speaker 1: we're making so different like smoke. He said that he
Speaker 1: didn't have no enemies. He was a rebellan one. I
Speaker 1: didn't care if it wasn't kiching it wasn't nothing. But man,
Speaker 1: I'm learning now. And then as I got older, that
Speaker 1: brother's heart of blood. It is all the coaches just
Speaker 1: like me. Because I thought I was untouchable because it's
Speaker 1: all about kitchen. But as you get older, you just
Speaker 1: like me. Everybody had that. Everybody had that. Yeah, growing
Speaker 1: up back then, it took me a while because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mingle with nothing but gets you. But see nothing,
Speaker 1: that's what you did. What you said. Also, see that
Speaker 1: was one of the things with Porky. I took Porky Porky.
Speaker 1: But when Porky, like he said he was a hot head,
Speaker 1: I said, pork come on, man, I said, take Porky
Speaker 1: with me. He said, I ain't going over there. And
Speaker 1: he started seeing how I was doing, how my relationships,
Speaker 1: and he started. I remember, I couldn't get this boarder
Speaker 1: wear no slacks. He didn't want them to wear some khakis,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And that the boy wanted
Speaker 1: he wanted the cold dresses. Oh, he sighed, when he
Speaker 1: won't do the brid of of of a game banger,
Speaker 1: not a game member. Back then, it's totally different now,
Speaker 1: just like you know, we understood that type of ship
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But it was it was
Speaker 1: it meant more game banging back then and then do
Speaker 1: now it was your game bang for a purpose. I
Speaker 1: had a purpose. We all had a purpose. Yeah. My
Speaker 1: beliefs was I can't, I can't do this. You associated
Speaker 1: with was yours. Once upon a time I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: utter the word God. You know when when when I
Speaker 1: was coming up because I thought it might be it
Speaker 1: is a sign of weakness. I ain't gonna go talking
Speaker 1: about God to the homies. Are these cats over in
Speaker 1: this are you're talking about guy? He ain't? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Next thing, you know, you ain't got
Speaker 1: no choice but to prove yourself. And and if it happened,
Speaker 1: it happens like that, not tomorrow. So what you have now,
Speaker 1: I'll be back and he comes back, and he's coming
Speaker 1: back with a gun, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: the truth and everything works, but putting it together and
Speaker 1: keeping it like on a one hunted with the we're
Speaker 1: trying to save the younges. So how do we save
Speaker 1: the young ones? And with with due process, with what
Speaker 1: we're doing right now, how do we save them? What
Speaker 1: you say, we gotta think, Yeah, we gotta man Like,
Speaker 1: For example, I got a couple of businesses I'm working
Speaker 1: on right now. Busses we're working on. We are a
Speaker 1: made decisions next year because we're closing out. We're closing out,
Speaker 1: um third, that will be our last meeting to January
Speaker 1: start back up. We already got something to mix about
Speaker 1: the kids. We're working on that right now. Taking them.
Speaker 1: Like one of my homeboys said, Billy Jack, some of
Speaker 1: the kids ain't then to the beach. Let's pile them
Speaker 1: up and go take them, you know, Let's grab something home.
Speaker 1: And I got fishing poles, y'all want to teach them
Speaker 1: because a lot of them don't know how to fish.
Speaker 1: And another well, we can go going to pier, bring food,
Speaker 1: so the waters and everything and line them pulls up.
Speaker 1: And you gotta reallym me in yourself. But one thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. I always wanted if we had
Speaker 1: a building brain these little kids in there, We're gonna
Speaker 1: pay for the breaks and and bring you people in here.
Speaker 1: Come in here and learn how to do some breaks.
Speaker 1: I know four guys that worked for for They do breaks,
Speaker 1: just breaks, just for breaks. And they said they will
Speaker 1: come and sit down and and do a Saturday or
Speaker 1: Sunday for three hours for a hundred bucks a piece,
Speaker 1: and you have a certified check on that on the yard.
Speaker 1: And they will help these young men learn how to
Speaker 1: do breaks or whatever. It's a start. They learned something.
Speaker 1: And if you, if you know something, you feel better
Speaker 1: about yourself. Like that, you said you wouldn't even wear slacks.
Speaker 1: The only thing I believed in in my wardrobes were
Speaker 1: the pair kakis, that goddamn heading, the T shirt and
Speaker 1: some converts. Now I'm wearing, I say, man, I ain't
Speaker 1: spending on nine hours on old Jordan's ain't look like that.
Speaker 1: That's all you need. But if you, if you, if
Speaker 1: you look good, you feel good. And if we if we,
Speaker 1: if we catch them like that, then we had saved
Speaker 1: a whole lot of brothers, just like um doc. We
Speaker 1: was talking in the meeting and U he has said
Speaker 1: that we would gonna gather, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: little homies that's not here, no more kids, and take
Speaker 1: them somewhere. We man, we're doing stuff now that we
Speaker 1: forgot how we really was. You know, HOOMI went to jail.
Speaker 1: We wrote them, Mama needed to trash out. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take it out. He done. I'm gonna do none of that,
Speaker 1: no man, So you're the tide of change. He locked up.
Speaker 1: Nobody kids kids going now, we don't even go check
Speaker 1: on the kids. Get doc. Doc brought that up at
Speaker 1: the meeting. So we're gonna get together next and twenty
Speaker 1: we're gonna start working on every now that we stand
Speaker 1: all the way and we're not an organization that we're
Speaker 1: trying like like like, we ain't out there. We're doing
Speaker 1: it from our pockets. We don't want nobody guiding us,
Speaker 1: giving us money and telling us what to do with
Speaker 1: it exactly. So businessman, that's working. Now. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: donate donations, but we ain't taking it to the point
Speaker 1: where you can tell us how to run our organizations.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what a lot of brothers life so for.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like that because we don't need
Speaker 1: and and this is me speaking in general straight up,
Speaker 1: we don't need no white man those no telling us
Speaker 1: how to raise our mother kids because they didn't took
Speaker 1: the ass. Women, you're going to jail if you beat them,
Speaker 1: if you whip the ass. So how do I how
Speaker 1: do I teach my son if I can't chastise you,
Speaker 1: so he can call them goddamn police on me and
Speaker 1: I go to jail. So when you took that from me,
Speaker 1: you took took my rights to raising. Now he's in
Speaker 1: jail because I couldn't chastise it. Conversation ain't ship no
Speaker 1: more so I gain teaching by a conversation. So either
Speaker 1: you get your kids and get up out of here.
Speaker 1: But everywhere you go is the same thing going on.
Speaker 1: But man, whenever, y'all whenever. And I'm gonna say this
Speaker 1: with gainst the chronicles, we we want to be a
Speaker 1: part of that to help, Like man, if if we can,
Speaker 1: I'm a man out of my own pocket, I would
Speaker 1: say I got it, I got this, and that I
Speaker 1: can do this and that. Um. I sell T shirts,
Speaker 1: the Death Row T shirts, and I give it to
Speaker 1: all the guys that's on that T shirt that passed. UM,
Speaker 1: I give their kids, grandkids or somebody something. You know.
Speaker 1: I just did have ron uh grandson, and the other
Speaker 1: day I got another grandson. I'm going Sunday to get
Speaker 1: these things for um my brother, his grandchildren. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm I'm I'm giving them money. I
Speaker 1: made so much money off the church at the beginning,
Speaker 1: I was able to give it five hundred bucks here
Speaker 1: here go in three hundred here. So it wasn't about
Speaker 1: the money to me. It's just showing people that this
Speaker 1: is how we respect each other, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's what we gotta do, man, brothers like you, man,
Speaker 1: and brothers who who who know what's going on and
Speaker 1: who know, you know, know the value of us saving lives. Man,
Speaker 1: Come on back down, man, and it's and show these
Speaker 1: young bucks man, because that's all they're looking for, some guys. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all they're looking for, some guys and they're gonna
Speaker 1: take some real buzzs and have been through the stuff
Speaker 1: and show these bugs man, and definitely how they can live,
Speaker 1: how they can grow up and live like we can
Speaker 1: living now. Man. You know what I'm saying, because I
Speaker 1: sleep good at night, you know what I'm saying. Just
Speaker 1: gotta get we gotta get this in their head to
Speaker 1: and educate them too on the system. You know, as
Speaker 1: you know, we grew up like you know, we grew
Speaker 1: up in our time like white man and white man
Speaker 1: you know today in these days and times. There's not
Speaker 1: no white man. It's the system of America that's got
Speaker 1: us like, like you know what I'm saying, discombobulated as
Speaker 1: a black race, you know. So we have to really
Speaker 1: wake our young homies up to that tool, and our
Speaker 1: your home girls to the system that we're up against,
Speaker 1: you know, especially the rich. You know that don't give
Speaker 1: a damn about the poor bottom line, bro, because you know,
Speaker 1: if you you can step in at any time and
Speaker 1: fix this stuff. You know what I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 1: but the rich really like to see, you know, the
Speaker 1: rich lifestyle and keep living the rich lifestyle and and
Speaker 1: come down here and step down in our areas and say, well, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll see what you're doing. I'm gonna donate some money
Speaker 1: to you, but I'm gonna get that back on the
Speaker 1: tax right off, because I really don't give a day
Speaker 1: what's going on. You're wasting my time here going for
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred thousand matter if I write you
Speaker 1: off check meal ticket, get it back on the tax
Speaker 1: right off. You guys, take care of love, y'all call
Speaker 1: me you need me, you know, and uh, but we
Speaker 1: need people to come down. That's uh not a part
Speaker 1: of the system of the United States of America. We
Speaker 1: need people to come down. That's really, if you're rich,
Speaker 1: you care, You got the care to make a difference,
Speaker 1: because if you don't care, you your money can never
Speaker 1: make a difference where we come from, you know, so
Speaker 1: you gotta really, you know, it's no longer else to
Speaker 1: keep the white man in view. In our eyes, this
Speaker 1: is a system of the rich that don't give a
Speaker 1: damn about the poor in stop soutra l a. Okay, um, Now,
Speaker 1: I've been to a couple of the East Side meetings
Speaker 1: that you guys have a few more than a couple,
Speaker 1: and I want you to speak on how you how
Speaker 1: that started? Because you got people all the way from
Speaker 1: the low bottoms to the out from the outlaws all
Speaker 1: the way to to Watts coming to these meetings, bloods
Speaker 1: and cryps together. And every time I go to one
Speaker 1: of these meetings, I'm just like, it's a maze just
Speaker 1: to see forty fifty sixty brothers from enemy sets having
Speaker 1: a meal together. Speak on how that started? Well, we
Speaker 1: got we got that started, you know, uh med uh
Speaker 1: where we got with Kim McGill over at Chucko's Youth Center,
Speaker 1: we Uh, I got a office space over there and
Speaker 1: been my nephew's psyche from a fo Swan and uh man,
Speaker 1: my nephew was like, you know what we're gonna do here?
Speaker 1: We got a space here. Now we got the office here.
Speaker 1: He like, uck, we're up in here. Uh gotta take
Speaker 1: advantage of this. We gotta we gotta bust a move,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh we both sat down like, so
Speaker 1: how are we gonna make What could we do here?
Speaker 1: With all this? We got the offer space here and
Speaker 1: all this space we can put at least seventy five
Speaker 1: Cryptian bloods up in here, now pull them in here.
Speaker 1: Was that after Nipsey got killed. Uh, this was before
Speaker 1: before he got killed. Okay, so this wasn't inspired by
Speaker 1: seeing this brother losers life. Y'all was already had the
Speaker 1: ball rolling on it. Already I had the ball rolling.
Speaker 1: And okay, when we had the ball rolling, and what
Speaker 1: we whatever. What I think what everybody got from Nipsey
Speaker 1: is don't get rich and run to the hills on
Speaker 1: on everybody. So Nipsey got rich and started buying up
Speaker 1: the community where you know, he stood out the selling
Speaker 1: CDs here and there, and now he owned this stuff
Speaker 1: so with that, he taught us to get back into
Speaker 1: the community and own something so we won't have to
Speaker 1: be like this the hood and we don't own nothing,
Speaker 1: getting ran off in front of everything. So he taught
Speaker 1: us to get inspired to own some things. That's I think.
Speaker 1: Once Nipsey, you know, finished that goal at he bought
Speaker 1: that whole lot and everything around there, I think that's
Speaker 1: why God called him home because his job was done,
Speaker 1: his purpose was done, he accomplished when he came here
Speaker 1: to accomplish, he said, standards for all of us to
Speaker 1: look at as black men, whether we crips or bloods,
Speaker 1: whatever you call yourself in these streets, something and own it.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think everybody got from Nipsey, you know.
Speaker 1: And he inspired us. But you know, me and Sych,
Speaker 1: we ended up calling a few crips to the table
Speaker 1: and we gotta catch him more Pork and smoke came
Speaker 1: out of sight from Swan's right. Yes, that's my nephew.
Speaker 1: And when we got all together, man, Pork the smoker
Speaker 1: tell you, we weren't number like fifteen up in there,
Speaker 1: and we was talking, but word a mouth went out
Speaker 1: and it started getting viraled. Brothers was here that we
Speaker 1: was even in there like that talking and it was
Speaker 1: rivalries and was like, you know what, I'm coming to
Speaker 1: the next one. I'm coming to the next one. And
Speaker 1: then it got t D. Then we have D so
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what it'spired a lot of brothers
Speaker 1: to say, you know, I'm willing to uh put my
Speaker 1: life on the line and stop this because we started,
Speaker 1: you know, we started something. Rather the blood started there
Speaker 1: as the crypt started. Eyes. We don't have to say
Speaker 1: no names. We started something really tow us down and
Speaker 1: still tearing us down to day. You know, we got
Speaker 1: police killing us, We're killing each other, We're fighting essays
Speaker 1: killing us. You know, we're fighting the white band killing us.
Speaker 1: You know, everything in this whole system that's not just
Speaker 1: the white man, the whole system of the United States
Speaker 1: of America killing us. Because if you come out of
Speaker 1: soft sent for l A, you can catch the same time.
Speaker 1: And we see it on the news all the time.
Speaker 1: They catch some of these rich during the same crime
Speaker 1: and a brother in South central l A get caught
Speaker 1: up with the same drugs and a rich person get
Speaker 1: caught with it. It's all on the news. He's going
Speaker 1: to court. The rich man you know, he's a celebrity,
Speaker 1: So what he gets is a slap on the rest.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be in the county jail for thirty days,
Speaker 1: probation for three years, and he's out. But the brother
Speaker 1: in the South Central l A, the crypto or the
Speaker 1: blood that got caught with the dog, never did a
Speaker 1: day in jail, never been arrested too, fifteen years for
Speaker 1: the same amount of drugs. So we're dealing with a
Speaker 1: system that's saying funk us over here in South CenTra
Speaker 1: l A. On this person i'd have met, and I
Speaker 1: know it's a lot of people that do donate money
Speaker 1: and it's from their heart, and they come into these
Speaker 1: organizations and start South Cter l A and they care.
Speaker 1: I haven't had been fortunate to meet those type of
Speaker 1: people yet, only met one that I met, and that
Speaker 1: was Pete Carroll, you know, that coach and nfl C
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Pete Carroll really cared and that's who I met,
Speaker 1: so I could speak for him, you know, and speak
Speaker 1: from my heart that that brother really cared and he
Speaker 1: established those relationships when he was coaching at USC and
Speaker 1: you know, and I met him personally and watched him
Speaker 1: you know. He shocked me when I was in my
Speaker 1: hood in South SUMTERLA. Just we're on the block, normal night.
Speaker 1: We out there, eight cage pistols, everything, Watch this car coming,
Speaker 1: Who is this? Who is this coming up? The street walker?
Speaker 1: And we were pulling up on people like, hey, who
Speaker 1: is it? Who was that? This is me dark? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, what's up? Boy? You know the same program,
Speaker 1: you know, that's how we're living. It's a constant war zone.
Speaker 1: And then here comes peaked to much where you're at, Doc.
Speaker 1: I'm like, right in the hood. He like, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: getting off the freeway on Gauge and Broadway. I have
Speaker 1: some people I want you to meet. You feel me,
Speaker 1: And I'm like you if you're getting off of Gauging Broadway,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And this guy would get
Speaker 1: off of Gauging bro and pull up and jump out
Speaker 1: on me and talk with me and introduced me to
Speaker 1: more people and then tell me come downtown l A.
Speaker 1: We're having a seminar. I want you to show up,
Speaker 1: you know, be there. You know, you learn a lot
Speaker 1: you know about coaching, you know, because he preached the
Speaker 1: coach as a father, you know, And I played sports
Speaker 1: growing up, you know football, for I got shot by
Speaker 1: the Swans that put in the wheelchair. So I always
Speaker 1: looked at my coach as a father. But even in
Speaker 1: South cnter l A. You know coaches that have come
Speaker 1: and might get good checking on other businesses, they come
Speaker 1: down and coach to try to make the team winning everything,
Speaker 1: but they don't play the father role. You know when
Speaker 1: you when the young used to go to jail, that
Speaker 1: he get caught up with guns or drugs, or they
Speaker 1: shoot somebody, or they get shot the coast, don't come
Speaker 1: to the hospital by their best side, the coastal. He
Speaker 1: looks at that like, damn, that was my running back.
Speaker 1: What we're gonna do now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he goes out and trying to find another kid
Speaker 1: to keep a football team going so you can keep
Speaker 1: his check. Then he go back to the suburbs, so
Speaker 1: you know he really cared. I met Pete Carroll that, Um,
Speaker 1: what's the place on a hundred third? The little eating
Speaker 1: place locals third and uh uh in the food place,
Speaker 1: a little food place right there. He's already made famous
Speaker 1: cater Steve want me, oh this house? Um whatever was
Speaker 1: right there? The hundred and third and um uh coffee house.
Speaker 1: Coffee house. No man, he got up, can was cool,
Speaker 1: talked to him me and every time it's real, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was cool. He really cared. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, Jim Brown is another one that I think
Speaker 1: really cared about what's going on in l A. I
Speaker 1: know he's getting up in age now. He's probably almost
Speaker 1: eighty years old now, so he is active as it
Speaker 1: used to be. But yeah, a white man as a
Speaker 1: white man definitely. You know, we don't want to we
Speaker 1: don't want to make it like nobody cares Repete and
Speaker 1: other people. But I'm just saying to care, you have
Speaker 1: to come down and see what we how were really
Speaker 1: living and show us that you care. You know. You
Speaker 1: know it's not saying you don't care because you get
Speaker 1: your money and you're very busy because you're rich. But
Speaker 1: at some point in time, come down and see what's
Speaker 1: going on and get to know us also, you know,
Speaker 1: and you will be saddening your heart too, and you
Speaker 1: want to do something more about it because money can't
Speaker 1: fix everything. We already know. Money came by love and
Speaker 1: everything else. And like you said, I started it wasn't
Speaker 1: really nimpsey. I talked to brother Will. He pointed up
Speaker 1: us too, meant Will, of course, yeah. But and he
Speaker 1: hooked us all up in a way. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I knew Doc, I was repped in the streets, but
Speaker 1: I really didn't know Doc. You know. But phone calls
Speaker 1: got made. I was on the phone called Smoke, Smoke
Speaker 1: called uh who. It went around. I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with a site from eight folk site and it
Speaker 1: just went around. And next thing we know, we was
Speaker 1: meeting with doctor. And I saw everything to what's the
Speaker 1: name for family? Oh? Sorry, what's the name from family? Um?
Speaker 1: What the British brothers? The Bridish? Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: just got just got the pins. You know. He came
Speaker 1: down from here, he stay up north, he came down,
Speaker 1: you know, and and it just snowballs. They've got a
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. You know. We ain't giving up, man,
Speaker 1: You know what, we don't keep on doing what we're doing, man, longest,
Speaker 1: longest we're trying. I believe, man, we can make a difference. Man. Man,
Speaker 1: I think I think black men are strong in general period.
Speaker 1: I think we can do anything we want to do
Speaker 1: if we want this truce to work. It's gonna work.
Speaker 1: It's working so far, so just implemented certain other things
Speaker 1: in it. It's gonna take it to another level. We're
Speaker 1: doing I'm I'm saying. If it's just you got ten
Speaker 1: big homies in one room and and this young lady
Speaker 1: my son exactly while and now come on in here,
Speaker 1: and and you've got brothers to token that they're dude.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, This ain't where you want
Speaker 1: to go because you know they start off young now
Speaker 1: and U I mean, it's it's it's so much to
Speaker 1: say about this ship because now you have it. How
Speaker 1: we keep it, How we keep these brothers strong and
Speaker 1: keep their minds focused on on what's going on? Man,
Speaker 1: this is a beautiful thing. So you gotta bring all
Speaker 1: kind of oh kind of shipped to the table. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: let's start with the youngsters, because the big olmers you
Speaker 1: were already there because anything and up we were tied,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But but you still here
Speaker 1: because this is home, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: you're trying to get it together because now we realize
Speaker 1: that it's not worth it. We we haven't done too
Speaker 1: much hurting ourselves, just like Doc said, were killing ourselves
Speaker 1: just for nothing, you know what I'm saying. And we
Speaker 1: got we got everything against us, everything, everything against us,
Speaker 1: the police, and they wouldn't give a fun how this
Speaker 1: turn out. As long as it don't last too long,
Speaker 1: feel me. So it's important for y'all to keep this going, because, man,
Speaker 1: this is what we need. We need black men that's
Speaker 1: standing up and trying to make that difference. Regardless of
Speaker 1: what neighborhood we came from, regardless of what this lady
Speaker 1: said what, regardless of what penitentiary or why we went
Speaker 1: to the penitentiary, that's it don't matter. This is what
Speaker 1: we're doing now straight. I had to be. I told
Speaker 1: that my mom's died Wednesday. When to night. But here
Speaker 1: I'm bearing a Saturday, but I can't because I'm down
Speaker 1: for my work. I'm sorry, man, it's Christmas time. I
Speaker 1: lost my mom's last year at Christmas time on the
Speaker 1: tenth of December last ship. And man, you know you
Speaker 1: know what we do, uh Like, Fortunately still have my
Speaker 1: mother eighty nine years old. I lived with my mother,
Speaker 1: you know, we stayed together and everything my mother taught
Speaker 1: me and said to me, I just watched it coming
Speaker 1: to play as I grew into game banging and kept
Speaker 1: messing up doing everything, you know, defiling her, just just
Speaker 1: you know, going against everything she teaching me, going out
Speaker 1: in these streets. Hey man, everything she told me was right.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you know she always
Speaker 1: used to tell me, she said, you ain't ready yet,
Speaker 1: because because your soul ain't time. And see that's why
Speaker 1: I tell the hommies, you know, your soul ain't tired.
Speaker 1: When your soul get tired, you're gonna hang. You're gonna
Speaker 1: quit all that. You're gonna quit all that. Then you're
Speaker 1: gonna start regretting you even done it that. And they
Speaker 1: don't necessary and have to be game banking. If you've
Speaker 1: just been doing women wrong in life as a black man,
Speaker 1: you know, a man period, you're gonna get tired of that,
Speaker 1: and your soul gonna get tired, and you're gonna start
Speaker 1: treating them with respect and love because you cannot. We
Speaker 1: were not created to just go on and on with
Speaker 1: wrong doing until you die. Because if God bless you,
Speaker 1: the older you're gonna get, your soul is not gonna
Speaker 1: be willing to do that wrong so much because we're
Speaker 1: dealing with a god that's good, and the good is
Speaker 1: gonna start coming out you. The convictions, it's gonna start
Speaker 1: conquering you. And that's I respect. That's what happened to me.
Speaker 1: And eighty I was in solid at prison in eighty
Speaker 1: seven and they put me in a cell with border
Speaker 1: Rat Frominger with family bloods and then here cups star
Speaker 1: life from saying and um fraud g fraud from and saying.
Speaker 1: And they was like, say, hommy, know what sale you have,
Speaker 1: little doc, your little doc right, I'm like yeah. They're like, okay, look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move you down here to the sale with
Speaker 1: the homie down here, you know here rep but you
Speaker 1: know the homie in here. Blood for me were family
Speaker 1: name border Red. We're gonna get your pot of here, Hume.
Speaker 1: And they heard about you, hummie, you a real little
Speaker 1: little homie and ship I said, oh man, you ain't
Speaker 1: moving me nowhere. Because from from dealingware, getting shot as
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old little kid, and then growing out
Speaker 1: of that and getting older and getting shot again and
Speaker 1: getting shot again. I went out by time I made
Speaker 1: it a solid that I knew already that this was
Speaker 1: some bullshit. I'm involved in on. I was like, we're
Speaker 1: bullshit and this this is not no real deal. Holy field,
Speaker 1: my field, soul structured stuff. It's not it's something. It's
Speaker 1: something where you know, you think you're surviving because you
Speaker 1: I don't need streets with a gun. You think you're
Speaker 1: really watching your back man, your homies. That kill you, bro.
Speaker 1: You just made it in the house last night by
Speaker 1: the willing of God. It ain't that you watching and
Speaker 1: got a pistol and keep an eye and watching, think
Speaker 1: you're watching your back man. Whenever God called. You can
Speaker 1: get flipped at any day, at any time, bro, And
Speaker 1: you've been getting spared by the grace of God. And
Speaker 1: that's all that was happening to me and everybody else.
Speaker 1: That's game banging. When they come through and you at
Speaker 1: the house and you're sitting up there, pull up in
Speaker 1: the hood and your homie laid out the sheet over
Speaker 1: him and you jump out the cord. Tomorrow, you're crying,
Speaker 1: you're mad about it. When you ride away, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have the same feeling everybody else that's gonna have. They've
Speaker 1: been there, and you're gonna say, damn, I was about that.
Speaker 1: I would have been right there but I stayed at
Speaker 1: home watch the little movie with moms. Thank you Lord
Speaker 1: watching over me, because see that's what he'd be doing,
Speaker 1: watching over uh our a lot of us and you
Speaker 1: in the trenches like that every day. So every time
Speaker 1: you stopping the liquor STOs Hamburger stairs, or just in
Speaker 1: your hood patrolling, I think, because you don't go in
Speaker 1: other hoods, you can survive in yours. Man. You can
Speaker 1: get knocked down any day, any time. All it takes
Speaker 1: is for God to say this is your day. These
Speaker 1: killers come and they're not shooting from the car. They
Speaker 1: just run up on you. And you're out here today,
Speaker 1: and that's it. Ain't none of that. You're watching your back.
Speaker 1: You notice ship you're good at it. You get killed
Speaker 1: any day. That's just the bottom line, because you're playing
Speaker 1: with something that's basically Russian roulette. Every day you come
Speaker 1: to your hood, standing out there, you're playing Russian roulette
Speaker 1: because all it takes is the wrong cast to come
Speaker 1: through and you're out of here, bro gun in your breeches,
Speaker 1: in your hand, however you want it. All it takes
Speaker 1: is the wrong cat to come through. And we didn't
Speaker 1: seen a time at the time where cats come through
Speaker 1: and we tell each other. Man and then he could
Speaker 1: have killed me. Man, if you know what he was doing,
Speaker 1: the boy had me. There's just another case of the
Speaker 1: grace of God over you, bro. So you know my
Speaker 1: thing is I just I just want to tell everybody,
Speaker 1: you know what we're doing. We've don we've been representing
Speaker 1: something that's not really to me, it's not real and
Speaker 1: I was raised to be real with what I represent
Speaker 1: and I can't be real representing this to the fullest
Speaker 1: because it's not real. Because if I represented to the
Speaker 1: fullest and be real, like I said earlier, then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go all out. If I say, well, here go
Speaker 1: pork and smoke here and I'm not just be on
Speaker 1: his radio show talking with him, my home mess with kitchen,
Speaker 1: and then I turn around and catch the murder on
Speaker 1: some other gang and I go to jail. Kitchen, my
Speaker 1: CELLI and the homies is making me stay up in there.
Speaker 1: So what what what are we doing here? What are
Speaker 1: we doing here? We We ain't banging and doing something
Speaker 1: that's really has no calls, no significance. You're going in
Speaker 1: a circle, and it's called insanity. Basically, you keep repeating
Speaker 1: something over and over. It's just insane. So you want
Speaker 1: to teach this to the next generation and they're gonna
Speaker 1: rise up and do it when you can stop it.
Speaker 1: We need to just stop it because it's all self
Speaker 1: destructing our race of people. But blood up, cryp bro.
Speaker 1: We need to just straight come together. Bro. You guys
Speaker 1: didn't impressive job with the whole East Coast kitchen thing. Um.
Speaker 1: I want to salute you off for for bringing that's
Speaker 1: multiple It's not just two hoods. It's eleven six is
Speaker 1: eight sevens and the whole East Coast card together. But Doc,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about another important truth that you
Speaker 1: was very instrumental. And this is the truth that people
Speaker 1: said would never happen. This is a rivalry that have bodies, um,
Speaker 1: And it's also a rivalry that's cross cultural, cross ethnicity,
Speaker 1: cross races. This is uh, the Florences and the East
Speaker 1: Coast is from when I remember this started in nine,
Speaker 1: So here it is twenty years later. And tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm lying that truce is in effect and the
Speaker 1: rivalries over between the Florences and the East Coast. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's over, you know. And we was fortunate, I was
Speaker 1: fortunate to facilitate it, you know, because you can never say.
Speaker 1: I was told by my homie Bath from A nine
Speaker 1: East Coast, don't never say ah, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to offend the whole hood because we're a big hood.
Speaker 1: Different numbers and people get offended. Like he heard Doc
Speaker 1: on the radio. He holl that he did it. He
Speaker 1: did it. Now, man, we all did that together. It's
Speaker 1: a facilitator and everything. Yeah, but you played a huge role.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the role I played facilitating it. So
Speaker 1: you know, did nobody come with it to come up
Speaker 1: with it? I came to them with it, to my
Speaker 1: homies from the East Coast cript and I facilitated it.
Speaker 1: And I asked them to roll with me every number.
Speaker 1: And I asked the brow why the role with me,
Speaker 1: you know on this to make a better community. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because I came to homies that
Speaker 1: got kids and I got kids today, you know, And
Speaker 1: I said, look, man, I want my son to be
Speaker 1: to walk around through here. I want my daughter to
Speaker 1: be I want to just tell her go and go
Speaker 1: to the park. Walk with your brother, go to the park.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, don't you all you
Speaker 1: can't walk to the part. Well, hold on, daddy, let
Speaker 1: me pause in the NFL game, and I got to
Speaker 1: drive you to the park. I got to stay at
Speaker 1: the park with you. Then I gotta come back and
Speaker 1: finished watching the game, you know, because I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta have the game. I got to have the game
Speaker 1: recorded because I can't go and leave you at this part,
Speaker 1: because then out here is the game war between us
Speaker 1: and Florencio. They went to the point to where at
Speaker 1: one minute it's a racial war, next minute it's a
Speaker 1: gang related war. It's going back and forth, you know,
Speaker 1: And you didn't had over a hundred and some murder.
Speaker 1: So I was looking at that like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you now, with the cripping blood thing,
Speaker 1: at what point we're gonna have to come to our
Speaker 1: senses to see man, big as our hood is catching
Speaker 1: crips surrounded by us, they're still here to day. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna kill nobody. Trial off. So what is you
Speaker 1: doing with this stuff? What are we doing here? I'm
Speaker 1: not a fool. I'm very conscious of what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: whether I'm killing or I'm banging the hood, throwing up
Speaker 1: the set everything I have, people run up on me
Speaker 1: on the streets and they say, where are you from, homie?
Speaker 1: And I see they got the burden everything, And I'm
Speaker 1: a Christian and the Holy Spirit telling me, don't say
Speaker 1: he's coach cript because he's gonna bust on your kid
Speaker 1: you and then you're gonna die and go to hell
Speaker 1: for banging that stuff. Just tell him you don't even
Speaker 1: mess around right now, Just say you don't even mess
Speaker 1: around man, man, I'm with my kids or whatever. Bro,
Speaker 1: I even don't even say nothing. Just get in your
Speaker 1: card and tell him, man, ain't wear your hand at him.
Speaker 1: And I just waved my hand off, like man, go man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do what you're gonna do it. No, that
Speaker 1: ain't my point. My point is I'm on a spiritual
Speaker 1: level with it. Like you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: die throwing up no East Coast crip at you. I'm
Speaker 1: not for to let you catch me slipping and then
Speaker 1: got your gun on me. You don'na kill me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die with honor. Pull the trigger, do what you do.
Speaker 1: But I'm not forsi to be like Nick. I'm from me,
Speaker 1: Coach you killed me. See, I'm on a spiritual level
Speaker 1: like that with it, that's just me, but for us,
Speaker 1: with us in Florenceia, I'm saying, I asked the homies
Speaker 1: to let's come together on this to make the community better.
Speaker 1: And then at the same time I was telling them
Speaker 1: I want to go to the kitchen crips next and
Speaker 1: the broadways because their teens was like, let's do this
Speaker 1: now while we while we can, and we had just
Speaker 1: had a murder where they killed out Homie x Ray
Speaker 1: from first three East Coast and then were and back
Speaker 1: and was killing them and when we still put this together,
Speaker 1: and and and and what like. I tell the homies,
Speaker 1: if God is with you, who could be against you?
Speaker 1: Because this was the work of God. So we have
Speaker 1: to give him the praises because I can't facilitate nothing myself.
Speaker 1: This was God working through me and every other one
Speaker 1: of my homies and every one of the after thir teens,
Speaker 1: whether they was against it or not, whether they hate
Speaker 1: hate it still today or not, they're on a stand
Speaker 1: still not to kill one another because of the work
Speaker 1: of God working through everybody that facilitated this. Here, who
Speaker 1: was your first reaction when you had this opportunity to
Speaker 1: bring the East Coasts and the Florences together earlier this year.
Speaker 1: And what was your first thing you thought like impossible
Speaker 1: or hell yeah, let's do it. What was going through
Speaker 1: your mind if the first thing came to my mind?
Speaker 1: Because you gotta understand, I wanted the main damn now,
Speaker 1: East Coast crist that's sucking up, you know, and here
Speaker 1: it is, uh, this come on my plate. So you
Speaker 1: know when when j P that was my co worker
Speaker 1: in my building, she'll bps blood girl, and she told
Speaker 1: me that, you know, one of the essays from prison,
Speaker 1: that's the master. Marfa wanted to holler at me about
Speaker 1: truthson with us the East Coast cripts, and I told her, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, she was like, you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: give him your number, and you know, and Ship, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, hold on because uh, you know, all right,
Speaker 1: you know you got my number, give it to him.
Speaker 1: Because my thing was like I'll give it to him.
Speaker 1: I'm not for all that, you know. So then she
Speaker 1: ended up giving him the number, and he ended up calling,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we ended up talking. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying from there and from there we you know,
Speaker 1: I told him straight up not right now, because y'all
Speaker 1: just killed the x Ray. So this happened in early August.
Speaker 1: I think the x Ray got killed in the first
Speaker 1: week of August. So were you talking with him in
Speaker 1: late July or right before, right before x Ray got killed? Her?
Speaker 1: Right after, right after? Right, I mean immediately, act immediately,
Speaker 1: even Bury. And I was like, no, I'm not right now, bro.
Speaker 1: I was like, I wouldn't even go over there and
Speaker 1: open my mouth trying to tell you that's true, so,
Speaker 1: you know, because they're looking up to me, and I'm
Speaker 1: not to lose my rep trying to do it at
Speaker 1: this at this point in time. So I was like, no, no, bro,
Speaker 1: you know. And then you know, I never hated no one,
Speaker 1: because that's the hell of the word to use. So
Speaker 1: my thing was always like, you know, I don't dislike
Speaker 1: certain games how they get down, when murders do happen.
Speaker 1: You know, you kill a man from this kid, you
Speaker 1: kill a man in the yard, you know, with Mama
Speaker 1: and everybody there barbecue and hanging out. You know, you're
Speaker 1: doing to me those coward moves. So I dislike how
Speaker 1: a person got down. You know, it's a way to
Speaker 1: get down, you know, So I just dislike that. But
Speaker 1: when it came to us and them and me for
Speaker 1: a brand of facilitating. I started having visions from God
Speaker 1: to do with this man is Uh coming to me with?
Speaker 1: So when I woke up in the morning, I called,
Speaker 1: you know, the brother back in prison of Masking Mafia
Speaker 1: on me. That's for Florescio. I just told him straight up,
Speaker 1: you know what I said, I'm gonna do this with you, bro,
Speaker 1: Let's do it. And he was like, I'm telling you, Doc,
Speaker 1: God is gonna bless us, bro, bless everybody. The community
Speaker 1: is gonna be better. And I was like, I feel
Speaker 1: you because God has been talking to me too, my
Speaker 1: FIA dude is talking about God. Yeah, exactly exactly. Because
Speaker 1: I like the brother of sat James. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to mention God to him because but I was like,
Speaker 1: never be a shame to God, you know, because he'll
Speaker 1: be a shame to you on judgment day. So I
Speaker 1: always as dressed God, you know, to my own homies,
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you every East Coast crypta know me
Speaker 1: from day one. I come out of my house and
Speaker 1: they're right there on the block, game bang, and I'm
Speaker 1: getting in the cart with Mars. We're heading off for
Speaker 1: church and they and I catch you and see you
Speaker 1: giggling and everything. I come right back out of service.
Speaker 1: Get out them dress shoes and slacks and get in
Speaker 1: your gass and let you know, don't get it twisted
Speaker 1: because I represented Jesus Christ. You already know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kill over here. Stay in your place. Let me do
Speaker 1: the Lord, you know, for I do your asking. And
Speaker 1: that's how we got down. But same with with with
Speaker 1: with the Florencios. I tell them, you know, I said, man,
Speaker 1: God is talking to me, brother, to do it. Let's go.
Speaker 1: And I just started getting that homies and the main
Speaker 1: homies that had a problem with it was the first
Speaker 1: three these coasts because they just lost x Ray. So
Speaker 1: they was like, hold on, dog dog who you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I said, I know how y'all feel, bro,
Speaker 1: But look, you know this is me talking to you.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm one of the main ones with you.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, do this for me, work with me on that.
Speaker 1: I ain't never asked nobody from the hood to work
Speaker 1: with me on nothing, because I ain't never tried the peace.
Speaker 1: So I'm asking y'all the peace with me because it's
Speaker 1: bigger than just me. Asking you and you know, come on,
Speaker 1: uh stand with me on this. I'm telling you it's
Speaker 1: gonna work out for the better. Don't think I don't
Speaker 1: care about it. X Ray, just like you, you feel me,
Speaker 1: and let's just do this with me and my homies
Speaker 1: from first three was like, all right, we're with you.
Speaker 1: We love you because we and we all respected how
Speaker 1: I came and we took that, and I went back
Speaker 1: to him after going to every other number that said
Speaker 1: do your thing, then Hommy, we're with you because you
Speaker 1: see something minute we love you could do your thing,
Speaker 1: and I went to them and we all came together,
Speaker 1: had of meet. We had a few disagreements like but
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm telling you man, you know.
Speaker 1: So those people we weeded out, you know, and got
Speaker 1: things settled. You know, we got there understanding like majority
Speaker 1: rude though, Hommy and I went back to him and
Speaker 1: said we're ready, Hummy. I tell him we're ready, and
Speaker 1: he was like, okay, let me get mine together. And
Speaker 1: when he got here together, we met inside Chuckos for
Speaker 1: the first time, and it was like off the hinges
Speaker 1: because it was like all my homies were all up
Speaker 1: in here and we you know, it was like it
Speaker 1: was just like, uh man, it was it was. It
Speaker 1: was like it was it was like I can't speak
Speaker 1: for all my homies, but to me, it was awesome
Speaker 1: because when the when when we had the Nation Islam,
Speaker 1: I'm doing security and when the nation, even the nation
Speaker 1: was running around with their head chopped off. They said
Speaker 1: their thirteens here, they're here. They just come in, you know,
Speaker 1: And I seen them like, well, I've seen them like
Speaker 1: and I was like, and then I'm trying to break
Speaker 1: my name to the I'm like, they're here, they're here.
Speaker 1: And then I go out there and greet them, and
Speaker 1: they look, they're telling me, hold on, hold on, little
Speaker 1: dog with us, come in. I'm like, some of y'all
Speaker 1: can come in this way. The gate is opened around back.
Speaker 1: They're like the gate open in the back, Okay. So
Speaker 1: they swooped around the back that came in through the front,
Speaker 1: and when they started walking in, all my homies seen
Speaker 1: them coming in and I was just like, to me,
Speaker 1: that was like that that inspired me right there, like
Speaker 1: now I see my purpose in life because I have
Speaker 1: poured off this, not need pulling this off. I said,
Speaker 1: this got to be the work of God. I said,
Speaker 1: because look at these essays coming in here. I said,
Speaker 1: look at us standing in here. Wait, no, no, I said,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody in here pulling out a gun of being disrespectful.
Speaker 1: And then the Holy spiritual starts speaking through me, like
Speaker 1: her reup and say this, her reup, and say this
Speaker 1: her up, and get everything together so you can get
Speaker 1: this done and get them out of here. Because the
Speaker 1: real facilitator was God through Jesus Christ working in me.
Speaker 1: That's how I looked at it and still look at
Speaker 1: it today, because if it was for me to do,
Speaker 1: ain't no where in hell, I would to put it off.
Speaker 1: And if it was for the hommy up in the
Speaker 1: prison system that's from Florentio, ain't no where in hell,
Speaker 1: he would have pulled it off himself too, because he
Speaker 1: said the same thing I said. He said, God, it's
Speaker 1: telling me to do this, brother, and think about it.
Speaker 1: Uh me, porky and come on kids. And we was
Speaker 1: there too, And when I walked up and I said, man,
Speaker 1: I've seen all these says, man and I've seen I said,
Speaker 1: I hope it was a whope us enough coaches up there,
Speaker 1: And I looked at there was a lot of coaches
Speaker 1: up in there, the coach star. Yeah. It was in
Speaker 1: deep and so yeah, says was like, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: was introducing themselves, you know, and then we you know,
Speaker 1: we were still in and we were still in the
Speaker 1: room with him, you know, and we said we were
Speaker 1: going from kitchen, and they said, well, they took we
Speaker 1: won't have this meet with just the coaches. I said, man,
Speaker 1: no problem, and let me go on outside, bro, because
Speaker 1: you know, because I see that, because they said they
Speaker 1: did between the US and the coaches. You know, I said,
Speaker 1: I respect that, bro, and my fact. I won't get
Speaker 1: upbout it anyway, because if you're going bad outside, I think,
Speaker 1: what's going outside? Man? They wanted outside, We're gonna go outside. Man.
Speaker 1: It was it was what we did see though. It
Speaker 1: was coaches all over here, thirteens all over here, just
Speaker 1: facing each other, and they had on the side. It
Speaker 1: was a lot a lot of. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of And the first thing, the first thing I said
Speaker 1: to everybody was, you know, God said makes tell I
Speaker 1: told my side, I said. I turned to all my homies,
Speaker 1: I said, I thank y'all coming out for me. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you all for supporting me with this,
Speaker 1: and then I turned to the Florencia has told him,
Speaker 1: I thank you all for coming out and being willing
Speaker 1: to do this and being supportive of us too, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the homie was on the phone from prison that put
Speaker 1: you know, and I just asked everybody, I said, before
Speaker 1: we even begin, you know, let's shake hands and everybody
Speaker 1: can introduce themselves. So we all just started walking around.
Speaker 1: What's up. Everybody just shaking hands, and I'm watching it,
Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting there watching every all that. And
Speaker 1: then when everybody starts speaking back and forth to one another,
Speaker 1: you know, that's when I you know, that's when I
Speaker 1: realized and seeing, like I said, yeah, God is really
Speaker 1: behind this, because I've seen at tension in people from
Speaker 1: their side and attention from our side, the hatred to know,
Speaker 1: the people that want to just get it cracking right
Speaker 1: in here and say I ain't with it, let's go
Speaker 1: right in here, let's get this back going. You know.
Speaker 1: Then I started seeing younger lit homies days later. They
Speaker 1: want to keep it going because to the youngsters, they're saying,
Speaker 1: oh man, other little yours, they know them, They text
Speaker 1: them and say shipped to them. On phones. Ah, y'all
Speaker 1: turned down, y'all out there trucing with kitchen. What's up
Speaker 1: with the coases? What's up with the kitchen? Y'all trucing
Speaker 1: with courses? And then the little yours is running around
Speaker 1: the hood, they saying, oh, well, damn it used to
Speaker 1: be on and cracking. Man. I used to write East
Speaker 1: Coast on the wall. Offend them, are we right? Kitchen?
Speaker 1: And offend them? And then they're coming through and we're
Speaker 1: going back. Now the hood is bored because they want
Speaker 1: to keep the killing going. So that's when you have
Speaker 1: the haters I called them from doing this type of work.
Speaker 1: I call them protesters. They just want to protest the
Speaker 1: work God got us doing. That's the way to marginalize
Speaker 1: the youngsters that they want to protesters, especially those it
Speaker 1: is already in jail that probably don't know when they're
Speaker 1: gonna get out, and they just trying to get what
Speaker 1: y'all just trying to get somebody up there? What y'all
Speaker 1: do you know anybody trying to get up in there? Man,
Speaker 1: We're trying to keep brothers from going up in there,
Speaker 1: and we're trying to we're trying to break we're trying
Speaker 1: to stop that cycle. Man. You know, we talked about
Speaker 1: this on the show before, James and Um. I think
Speaker 1: it's incredible what they pulled off. You couldn't have it better.
Speaker 1: And the way you explain it, doctor uh, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people need to listen to what you say.
Speaker 1: I think you need to get out then and start
Speaker 1: doing some seminars, brother, because with without you saying it
Speaker 1: that way gives me a whole different I look on
Speaker 1: where that where I came from and where it used
Speaker 1: to be to to I'm going to church next sundy
Speaker 1: other And I mean, ain't I'm wrong with it? Right?
Speaker 1: And and and and we all got to understand that
Speaker 1: we come that's where we really come from, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we need to get back to
Speaker 1: where we what we're comfortable with. How are we supposed
Speaker 1: to do it? And start watching each other no matter
Speaker 1: where we at, no matter where we at. And I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming and and I know everybody that
Speaker 1: listened to this show is gonna appreciate the words you
Speaker 1: said today. I'm kind of like choked up right now,
Speaker 1: body listening to you. A real nigga come, a real
Speaker 1: man coming here, and and don't mind telling us where
Speaker 1: we need to be and how he got his blessings,
Speaker 1: and and can't nobody say this is not possible. Everything
Speaker 1: is possible. And you showed all of us that, and
Speaker 1: I applaud your brother a salute one hun. Now, one
Speaker 1: of the things I wanted to ask you, Doc is
Speaker 1: it's kind of bizarre because it's sort of like a chance,
Speaker 1: a chance meeting starting with Petra that got the whole
Speaker 1: thing going like it almost never even happened in the
Speaker 1: first place, and for what eventually ended up happening is
Speaker 1: incredible because without Petra hooking you up with Homeboy and
Speaker 1: he said it's okay to say his name because I've
Speaker 1: talked to him several times, so I'll say his name
Speaker 1: because he said it was cool. Without Petra hooking you
Speaker 1: up with Babo, none of this stuff happens. That's right,
Speaker 1: That's right. None of it wouldn't have happened because Babo
Speaker 1: was already in prison telling my homies from me, So
Speaker 1: script who could I talked to out there, And a
Speaker 1: lot of them was like younger homies, some of them,
Speaker 1: you know, little dudes doing life from the hood or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. So they was trying to connect them to
Speaker 1: certain homies that they can just out of favoritism and
Speaker 1: go to him, go to cook, I hook your my homie.
Speaker 1: Woo whoo cuse you know, let's out of tuo. So
Speaker 1: he kept going like that, and then she told him,
Speaker 1: you know, well, I'm over here in the youth center
Speaker 1: and I'm watching this brother here he says about bringing
Speaker 1: our people together. You might want to talk to him
Speaker 1: because you know from what I hear, I hear doc
Speaker 1: cool brother. You know that's all she was saying on
Speaker 1: my behalf. And then you know what, she presented it
Speaker 1: to me like that. So a lot of my ge
Speaker 1: homies started talking with Babo, and then Babo told me
Speaker 1: when he talked with me, he said, finally, you know
Speaker 1: your homies was gonna give me your number. Some ge
Speaker 1: homies that I grew up that he grew up with
Speaker 1: at his age, you know, being fifty eight like Lala, yeah,
Speaker 1: big La La. He grew you know all him and
Speaker 1: Lala was like best friends come and that you know,
Speaker 1: because like I told ther hommies when we truce with
Speaker 1: kitchens and smoking pork, my witness, I had to tell
Speaker 1: my little hommies for all of y'all. I turned to
Speaker 1: all these coasts and said, for all y'all don't know,
Speaker 1: these was our homies coming up. We was like this
Speaker 1: before we went to war and fell out. So don't
Speaker 1: get caught up in letting other gs or anybody else
Speaker 1: tell you like it's so much to hatred to be
Speaker 1: like for them and all this attitude. Know your history.
Speaker 1: We're I'm calling y'all here today just to come back
Speaker 1: to normal program what we was before we fell out.
Speaker 1: And that's how we started our meeting with us in
Speaker 1: kitchens and saying with Babo was saying in jail. Him
Speaker 1: and La La used to be eating in each other's houses,
Speaker 1: hung with each other, all in each other's house and
Speaker 1: know each other, mars everything, birthday party. They was best,
Speaker 1: you know, best of friends. Us in Florencios. We all
Speaker 1: was just like us in kitchen came up. So you
Speaker 1: know what I was telling that the homies about the Florencios.
Speaker 1: They couldn't believe when I was telling them that right
Speaker 1: in front of the Florencio's. No your history, you know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of us as black man, we don't
Speaker 1: know where we came from. So we don't know where
Speaker 1: we're going, so we're so quick to keep going the
Speaker 1: destructive way we're going. But if you know where you
Speaker 1: come from, that will help you a little more or
Speaker 1: to know where you need to be getting. And you
Speaker 1: know a lot of this stuff is not for us, bro,
Speaker 1: and we gotta come to it. We gotta quit trying
Speaker 1: to beat around the bush with it and just flat
Speaker 1: out saying like I'm saying it. You know, I ain't
Speaker 1: got I ain't I fear no man, no as weapon.
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't been shot at eighty two eight
Speaker 1: for eighty five. I know how I feel. I know
Speaker 1: the fear of it when you come and you got
Speaker 1: the gun right on me, and I know you for
Speaker 1: the pullet, and I know the feeling that that I'm
Speaker 1: just the die here this cat for shoot me. I
Speaker 1: can't take another bullet. I know all that feeling, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm content with myself today, so I know when
Speaker 1: that come again at this point in time in my life,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it because I'm trying to get to
Speaker 1: God in the end. And I'm telling everybody, man, it's
Speaker 1: it's not a game. This is not no game. People
Speaker 1: will get you caught up in this game bang and stuff,
Speaker 1: and you will really be lost running around trying to
Speaker 1: smoke everybody. And then you can't Steve's murders and everything.
Speaker 1: And then you, like I say, you're sitting up in there,
Speaker 1: and then you here on the streets, we're playing football
Speaker 1: with each other. And now you're up there talking. You're
Speaker 1: in the pin talking crazy because you're mad because the
Speaker 1: system work you. We did not. Not only did we
Speaker 1: work each other by trying to teach you this mess,
Speaker 1: but the system is the biggest person working everybody. Because
Speaker 1: the system knows just how to dimant on this mess
Speaker 1: and put it away. But they won't do it because
Speaker 1: we're a big old commodity of theirs. It's a booming
Speaker 1: industry letting these say games and black games continue to
Speaker 1: kill each other and do what we do, continue to
Speaker 1: make us believe that we own this little area which
Speaker 1: is a section of a community. See, they know how
Speaker 1: to get us off in front of every lady house
Speaker 1: that called the police and say they out here again
Speaker 1: in front of my house. They know how to get
Speaker 1: you from all from in front of that house. Will
Speaker 1: you never be standing there again? And that's over with
Speaker 1: On that block. They know how to make you can
Speaker 1: even be in your own hood because they had the
Speaker 1: power to Now you guys, UM had three face to
Speaker 1: face meetings with the Florences. Um, before we close out,
Speaker 1: just tell us how the last one went, and UM,
Speaker 1: what is the plans to maintain that piece between the
Speaker 1: Florences and the east coast because anyone thing could can
Speaker 1: get it going. So how do you prevent that? Speak
Speaker 1: on that last that third meeting, because that was the
Speaker 1: deepest of all the met because the third meeting, the
Speaker 1: third meeting was for us to we kept having problems
Speaker 1: with the wall banging, you know, because once you have
Speaker 1: a truth, that's the next stage of it. Everybody is
Speaker 1: a buying by the truth. We're seeing each other, no killings.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody doing nothing because no nobody want to act
Speaker 1: like their boy the Lord break that rule and then
Speaker 1: their own kind gonna deal with you. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I can't do nothing. Were really true some with him?
Speaker 1: So what cast start doing was right on the wall.
Speaker 1: We wake up in the morning and I got little
Speaker 1: homies that wrote on the wall f F F F thirteen,
Speaker 1: no peace, you know, And then we're like who you know?
Speaker 1: We get a call. Homies sent it through each other
Speaker 1: falls you know, we're like, oh, check you out. He
Speaker 1: think your brother law. So we whooped that homey whooped
Speaker 1: them real good, random four rounds you know on dps.
Speaker 1: You know. Then we turned around F thirteen got a
Speaker 1: little hommie right on the wall, and we even went
Speaker 1: so far. We had incidents where it had been like
Speaker 1: shootings one shooting. So we ended up coming together saying, look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna let nothing stopped us. You know, That's what
Speaker 1: Babo said. And when he told me that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm out here. He had prison system working, So my
Speaker 1: hope started. I started losing hoping and like, man, there's
Speaker 1: so many homies to my thing with it. Then I'm
Speaker 1: getting these ugly looks from F thirteens when I see them.
Speaker 1: But Babo kept telling me, hanging there, Dot, keep doing
Speaker 1: the work. We're gonna do this well, don't give up, bro,
Speaker 1: And I kept pushing on and like he said, it's
Speaker 1: to it today is where it is. But when we
Speaker 1: had problems with wall banging and the in the in
Speaker 1: the protesters that's what I call them. They're not really haters,
Speaker 1: they just protesters and the protesters once we shut them down,
Speaker 1: and then we came up with a solution life forwards.
Speaker 1: The wall banging is if you see it on the wall,
Speaker 1: if your homie don't put his name by, well you
Speaker 1: can say, hey, everybody, you see what she was Spider
Speaker 1: Road on the wall, and then we can on I
Speaker 1: n can say, man, you see what the homie Bawn
Speaker 1: wrote and then you can deal with your own and
Speaker 1: making then get it off. So if somebody writing it
Speaker 1: it ain't leaving their name, it can be the police, bro.
Speaker 1: So let's just get it out of our heads. Like
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to get the game banging out your head,
Speaker 1: the Red and Blue rat, get it out your head
Speaker 1: and then get that off ahead when you see that
Speaker 1: on the wall, because see we still at my age.
Speaker 1: The devil try to work me when I'm riding down
Speaker 1: the street and I see my hood whacked out. Then
Speaker 1: I got the people behind me blowing their horn like
Speaker 1: go to like green. I'm still looking at it like
Speaker 1: this mother home. And then I gotta come to my
Speaker 1: senses and say, look at the old devil trying to
Speaker 1: still get me even though I ain't with it no
Speaker 1: more like that, you know. So then I got to
Speaker 1: come out of that and keep going on me. It
Speaker 1: ain't the world on end when you see your hood
Speaker 1: whacked out. I hadn't been in prisons with catting pulled
Speaker 1: their shirts off and got the hood whacked out on them,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, come on, man, don't let that kill you.
Speaker 1: But nobody then killed off nobody games. We were just
Speaker 1: going nowhere. It's senseless murders. But when we got to
Speaker 1: the point where we had to come together on those terms,
Speaker 1: we met for the last meeting with the thirteens and
Speaker 1: we agreed that we're only gonna trip wall banging when
Speaker 1: a cat leave his name up there because he's letting
Speaker 1: us know. I ain't with it and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: rebel against it, and whatever y'all want to do, we
Speaker 1: can do it. That's what we said that if a
Speaker 1: name may Boby, we're just gonna get it off. So
Speaker 1: we've been getting both off. When we see them whacked out,
Speaker 1: us whacked out, we just get it off the wall,
Speaker 1: bro keep pushing. That's what we've been doing alright. Final
Speaker 1: question is of any other brothers from l A that's
Speaker 1: from a hood, from a community that wants to make
Speaker 1: some change. Um, what can they do right now? How
Speaker 1: can they connect? What can they do? Because we want
Speaker 1: more people to join the movement what we're doing now
Speaker 1: and you know understand up at Doc off, we're putting
Speaker 1: the line in there. Like I said, everything would be
Speaker 1: established next year. You know, first we were just meeting
Speaker 1: and talking. But everything is gonna be solid next year. Alrighty,
Speaker 1: I want to thank all you brothers for coming down
Speaker 1: little Doc smoking pork. I truly appreciate you. I've I've
Speaker 1: already witnessed with my own eyes the work y'all been doing,
Speaker 1: and it has inspired me to to to start doing
Speaker 1: some of the same work. We'll probably talk about that
Speaker 1: another day because I haven't got to that point that
Speaker 1: you got to, Doc. But um again, man, I want
Speaker 1: to thank you guys for coming in. And that concludes
Speaker 1: another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. Make sure you hit
Speaker 1: up James McDonald on his Facebook and I'm on Alex
Speaker 1: Alonzo one zero one on all social media platforms. When
Speaker 1: you guys like to shout out in any sort of
Speaker 1: ways to reach you or contact you, Doc, uh, we
Speaker 1: we just give it. Uh. We give a shout out
Speaker 1: to United We stand. That's our organization and you will
Speaker 1: see more more of us because we did uh taste
Speaker 1: the soul. We did uh puff daddy thing at the
Speaker 1: reef downtown. Uh. Then we did uh uh the things
Speaker 1: right here uh folk trade hood. We went to the
Speaker 1: um food another food so for food thing. Like so
Speaker 1: we've been we've been stepping out and letting our presence
Speaker 1: be known. And like my brother Porky say and smoking,
Speaker 1: we're gonna really hit the stage January first, come this
Speaker 1: year here coming up. Okay, we stand, you'll see more
Speaker 1: of us. So in that united we stand, movement will
Speaker 1: be more visible and more reachable, more accessible, and we'll
Speaker 1: be sure to shout that out when um, when you
Speaker 1: guys got that ball rolling man and again appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys coming coming through, coming to the studio. And that
Speaker 1: concludes another episode of The Gangster Chronicles and we are out. Oh,
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