WEBVTT - How Automats Worked

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's not here, but Chuck is Chuck's Your

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<v Speaker 2>nickname is Poopy.

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<v Speaker 1>McGhee, actually Puky mcke not both. Now let's here's the story, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Mexico City again and got sick again,

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<v Speaker 1>thankfully at the end, and I couldn't record yesterday, but

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<v Speaker 1>we were in danger of missing a pubblished date for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, yes in seventeen years.

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<v Speaker 2>Grave danger. I would say, like, it's Wednesday at three

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<v Speaker 2>and we need an episode for tomorrow at five am.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and we've never cut it this close. So first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, my friend, thank you for your flexibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for not throwing up long enough to record

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<v Speaker 2>this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I lasted up about an hour ago, man. And the

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<v Speaker 1>main problem is it's just I've been in like a

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<v Speaker 1>fugue state. Man. I have nothing in my body for

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<v Speaker 1>three days now. Yeah, so I'm just like spacey and

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<v Speaker 1>can I told you want to email you guys still

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<v Speaker 1>love this that like, I'll go thirty minutes where I

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<v Speaker 1>just like, I'm just so zoned out. I can't have

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<v Speaker 1>a I don't even have a coherent thought for a

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<v Speaker 1>half hour. And Josh said, well, that part sounds kind

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<v Speaker 1>of nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does man to be able to just turn

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<v Speaker 2>it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, I love that city. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep going back. I'm gonna maybe next time drink only

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<v Speaker 1>bottled things and not even cocktails with ice. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what's triggering me. It may just be

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<v Speaker 1>my biome and some of the food. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to learn four words in Spanish. I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>that neat.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's not a bad idea, but I'm still gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go back. I'm gonna try it again. And this may

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<v Speaker 1>have also triggered my diverticulitis. Oh so that may be

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<v Speaker 1>why it's extending here in to day three. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm here and this gives us, dude a rare

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to do anything newsy or like current if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to mention anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what we're doing. We're doing an episode on automats.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing more newsier current than that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, automats. And we need to give a big

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to a documentary called The automat By from

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<v Speaker 1>director Lisa Hurwitz, because it's great and I saw it

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago and that's what inspired this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to I don't want to like write

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<v Speaker 1>on the heels of this great doc you know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of swoop in and do a podcast episode about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But great documentary. It's streaming on Max. Highly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>She did a great job. I can't wait to see

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<v Speaker 1>what she does next. And it's a big help.

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<v Speaker 2>Here. We have another other huge shout out to give.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first episode we're doing with help from

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<v Speaker 2>our new writer, Laura Claus.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, welcome aboard Laura. Laura came to us through Libya,

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<v Speaker 1>which is all the recommendation we needed right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, and she's been great. I've been thinking, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of our writers have good nicknames. Okay, Laura

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<v Speaker 2>spells her last name like claw claw Son, So I

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<v Speaker 2>think we should call Laura doctor Claw.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought you're gonna say the Clauster.

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<v Speaker 2>No, doctor Claw. It's an inspector, gadget reference doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I never watched that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was good. I actually have seen it. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have cable but you have an antenna over

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<v Speaker 2>the air antenna. Oh yeah, there's a station called me

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<v Speaker 2>TV and they just play all sorts of great reruns

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. Well, they just launched a whole new channel

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<v Speaker 2>called me TV Tunes and they show some deep cut tunes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like Beetlejuice the cartoon. There's Scooby Doo on

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<v Speaker 2>at six pm Eastern every day, which makes me very happy.

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<v Speaker 2>But they show Inspector Gadget and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a much better cartoon than I remembered.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, where is this in your off grid panic room? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>where are you watching antenna TV?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I've got I've got a really high tech setup.

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<v Speaker 2>I have hijacked the coaxial cables throughout my house and

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<v Speaker 2>I connected my outdoor antenna to the indoor cable feed

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<v Speaker 2>so I can connect TVs throughout my house to get

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<v Speaker 2>the reception from the outdoor antenna.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the Josh Clarkiest thing I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 2>It worked really well. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. You don't need to just stream. You

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<v Speaker 2>can also get free TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Heck yeah, man, I had free TV for many, many,

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<v Speaker 1>many many years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you need to be watching me TV tunes.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck, all right, I'll check it out. Should we talk

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<v Speaker 1>auto match or did you have another announcement?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I don't have any announcements, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>have a question for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Chuck, mm hmmm?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever eaten food?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? By the way, this is gonna be a tough

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<v Speaker 1>one for me to get through for obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because in the first paragraph I saw the words

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<v Speaker 1>oyster stew earlier and I almost vomited in my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Same here, And I don't even have diverticulitis.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not eaten food in three days, but I

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<v Speaker 1>used to eat food.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh nice, Okay, well, Chuck, then I think you would

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<v Speaker 2>have enjoyed a trip to the Automat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and we've been at it for six minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>we might as well go in and say that. The

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<v Speaker 1>Automat was a grouping of chain restaurants, self serve restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a cafeteria, but instead of being served

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<v Speaker 1>in a line where people would dump food on a tray,

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<v Speaker 1>they had these walls filled with glass fronted compartments, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would put in some money and a slot and

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<v Speaker 1>you would open the door and get your piece of

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<v Speaker 1>pie or your chicken pot pie or your pot roast

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your oyster stew. Yeah, but you got to you

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<v Speaker 2>you would walk up and you just sit there with

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<v Speaker 2>your finger like on your lower lip, looking from case

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<v Speaker 2>to case, trying to figure out what appealed to you

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<v Speaker 2>right then, very much like you were looking at the menu,

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<v Speaker 2>but you were looking at the actual food you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to consume instead, So you didn't even need to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to read to know what you wanted at

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<v Speaker 2>this at an automat. And then, like you said, you

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<v Speaker 2>put your money in and you get your food out,

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<v Speaker 2>and you go sit down. And two people who first

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<v Speaker 2>went to the automat chuck, We're talking like this is

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<v Speaker 2>the turn of the last century when they started to

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<v Speaker 2>take off. This was as high tech as anything got.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's really important to point out the in like

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<v Speaker 2>the first third at least of the twentieth century, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in the United States didn't have a refrigerator.

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<v Speaker 2>They might have had an icebox, but they certainly didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything pumping free on through it. No no cable TV,

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<v Speaker 2>not even over the air antennas in some cases, no

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<v Speaker 2>Beetlejuice the cartoon, and they also so might not even

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<v Speaker 2>have electricity in their home. So the idea of this

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<v Speaker 2>futuristic serve yourself out of a glass case that's lit

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<v Speaker 2>kind of experience was a really big deal. And what's

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<v Speaker 2>even more remarkable, it's so okay, you're like, Yeah, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen tens was just a yokel by definition, right,

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<v Speaker 2>These things lasted until the nineteen sixties, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>still viewed as these amazing places to go eat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the last one, this is remarkable, The

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<v Speaker 1>very last one in New York close in ninety one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is hard to believe. They saw a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>sad decades, a few sad decades before that. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to all that. But should we go to the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's start at the beginning. That seems appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>And where else are we going to go but our

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<v Speaker 1>old friend Germany, Because the first automat popped up in

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<v Speaker 1>Berlin in eighteen ninety five, and the word automat was

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<v Speaker 1>just more of a general term for a ventding machine

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany, but it won a gold medal a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years later at the Brussels World Fair. Europe kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got into them a little bit, and they spread

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<v Speaker 1>around Europe over the next five or so years before

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<v Speaker 1>making the leap to the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it took a little college try, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>the first few times for to make that leap across

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<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic. And it was two guys, Joseph Horn and

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Harder, whose last names would become synonymous with automats.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, depending on what city you were in, you

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<v Speaker 2>would probably refer to the automat as a Horn and

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<v Speaker 2>hard Arc. That's just like they were like the Kleenex

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<v Speaker 2>of automats essentially, right. Yeah, they were already in business together.

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<v Speaker 2>They owned a chain of cafeterias in Philadelphia, and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's next, what will the future bring? And they figured

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<v Speaker 2>out the best way to predict the future was to

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<v Speaker 2>build it themselves. And I think they actually made a

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<v Speaker 2>trip to Germany and found out about the automats, and

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<v Speaker 2>they decided they wanted to bring it back to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. And like I said, it took a few

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<v Speaker 2>attempts for them to actually get it to work, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Their first one in Philly, which was the first

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<v Speaker 1>one overall, was nineteen oh two, but the equipment, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it started in Europe, was in Europe, and they

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get some of the stuff shipped over there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these big beautiful cases with the coin slots

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<v Speaker 1>and the little windows and everything, and the ship sunk

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<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic, so they lost all that gear. They

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<v Speaker 1>tried again, and these were victim to a warehouse fire,

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<v Speaker 1>but salvageble. They repaired that stuff. They got them up

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<v Speaker 1>and working, and they beat out their closest competitor. There

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<v Speaker 1>was one card Harcomb in New York that went out

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<v Speaker 1>of business. I think it was a little fancier. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and H and H definitely leaned toward, as we'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>serving just sort of solid, affordable comfort food to the masses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so Horn and Hard Arts automats, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, started in Philadelphia, and then after Harcombe

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<v Speaker 2>went out of business, the Horn and Hardart kind of

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<v Speaker 2>muscled in on that market, which is actually pretty brave

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<v Speaker 2>because somebody had already proven that automats may not work

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<v Speaker 2>in New York. Good point, But I guess they had

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<v Speaker 2>faith in their food. They were like, have you tried

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<v Speaker 2>this oyster stew? It's amazing, God of stuff saying that

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<v Speaker 2>and so they they hit New York I think in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twelve. By nineteen thirty two, twenty years later, they

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<v Speaker 2>had forty two automats in New York City, another twenty

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<v Speaker 2>in Philadelphia. Amazing, and H and H became the largest

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant chain in the entire United States. The United States

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<v Speaker 2>was big at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is like, uh, that's funny. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like during the Great Depression, like people were

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<v Speaker 1>going out of business right and left, and they actually

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<v Speaker 1>H and H thrived during the depression because again, everything

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<v Speaker 1>was really cheap. It was comforting stuff. As you'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>the coffee was great, the food was fresh and well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not more than anything, but additionally it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was a great place to go. They were

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful places. Generally, they were clean and they were safe,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to a bunch of other ways that

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<v Speaker 1>they were inclusive as we go on.

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<v Speaker 2>They were also known because they were clean and safe

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<v Speaker 2>and you could get really good coffee for a nickel.

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<v Speaker 2>They became places where you would just go sit and

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<v Speaker 2>like rest your dogs, or take a load off for

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<v Speaker 2>a little while, or catch your breath, whatever you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do for a little while, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why people did that was because part of the

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<v Speaker 2>allure of the automat was that there was no front

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<v Speaker 2>of house staff. Generally, there were no servers, there was

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<v Speaker 2>no matred, there was no manager. They if there was manager,

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<v Speaker 2>they were in the back. Yeah, So you didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like hustled or rushed or like anybody was judging you

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<v Speaker 2>for sitting there as long as you want nursing a

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<v Speaker 2>single cup of five cent coffee, and so like, Automat's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of got that reputation where you could

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<v Speaker 2>just go chill out. And as big of a deal

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<v Speaker 2>as they were in New York and Philadelphia, they actually

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take off everywhere, even though people tried, because Horn

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<v Speaker 2>and Hardart were so successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's kind of hard to believe in

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<v Speaker 1>a way, because they were so successful there, you would

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<v Speaker 1>think in the other places, like of course the obvious ones.

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<v Speaker 1>They went to Chicago, Boston, DC, and Detroit and some

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<v Speaker 1>other places. But you know, those were big cities, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just odd that they didn't take off there. But

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<v Speaker 1>we do have a quote here from New York History

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<v Speaker 1>from a guy or an idea rather from this guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Nicholas Brammel, who basically was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, it's so dense, and they really concentrated

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<v Speaker 1>the restaurants around offices like in the garment district and

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<v Speaker 1>the financial district in Midtown where people were either shopping

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<v Speaker 1>or like going to work, far less in like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the quieter neighborhood streets and stuff like that. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was just so densely packed. And everyone knows how busy

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<v Speaker 1>New York foot traffic is around those places. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was at least Nicholas Brammel's take on why they took

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<v Speaker 1>off in New York and Philly.

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<v Speaker 2>I have my own take. At the very least in Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't work because of the name they used for

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<v Speaker 2>the restaurant. The Automat in Detroit was called Automatic lunch

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<v Speaker 2>Room Number one. I mean that's like, that's like the Cereal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a plain white box that says brand flakes

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<v Speaker 2>and just black font yeah, or beer like that beer?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you got me that time?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I kind of like the off brand stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's definitely weirdly vague.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not off brand, that's off brand awful. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>H yeah, let's take a break. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a break so you can go throw up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're back. I did not throw up. I think

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<v Speaker 1>of good. It's been subsiding every day in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon and I feel fine, and then in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning again I'm nauseous. So that's why I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a diverticulitis.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that is awful. Are you going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to record tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see right, No, I'll be okay, I'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. I'm gonna do a lot of studying after this, okay, kid,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were talking about the busyness of New York

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<v Speaker 1>and why it worked out there, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>other reasons it was really popular because, like I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was a very clean place. They prided themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the in the heyday decades, they did

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<v Speaker 1>go downhill and you know, kind of fall into a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of shabbiness, but in the heyday they were

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<v Speaker 1>known as being really, really really clean, safe places. And

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, at the time, there were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of cafeterias that like, if you were an unaccompanied woman,

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<v Speaker 1>they would not serve you had to be in there

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<v Speaker 1>with your husband, or they just served men like businessmen.

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<v Speaker 1>So a woman could go in by yourself, children could

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<v Speaker 1>go in and it wasn't like a seedy thing. Families

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<v Speaker 1>could feel safe and like they were in a clean

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<v Speaker 1>place with good food. And also a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>were really really beautiful restaurants on the inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were like there was a really low likelihood

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<v Speaker 2>that one customer was going to expose themselves to the

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<v Speaker 2>other customers. It just wasn't that kind of place, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And like you said, they are gorgeous. They were Art Deco,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the trend at the time, beautiful, and they

0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.440
<v Speaker 2>would have some of them had like two story facades.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of marble, stained glass, bronze everywhere. They

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<v Speaker 2>had big windows that led in tons of light. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them had a mezzanine upstairs dining area, like they

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<v Speaker 2>were huge. And then they also paid attention to details too,

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<v Speaker 2>like that famous coffee that you were talking about. You

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<v Speaker 2>would put your nickel in this cool little dispenser and

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<v Speaker 2>the coffee came out of like an italianate dolphin's mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's a beautiful like I would love to find

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<v Speaker 1>one of those on eBay just there there. Oh you

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<v Speaker 1>can buy those? How much are they?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see, but I'll get you one just just

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<v Speaker 2>as a present for recording today. How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think in the I mean it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>while since it's seen the doc, but I think there

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<v Speaker 1>was someone that is getting like the automat machines too

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<v Speaker 1>and collecting in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, nice, pretty cool, kind of like the MERV

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<v Speaker 2>Griffin set. They just found them out back of a

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<v Speaker 2>Burger King. What you remember in Seinfeld when Cramer the

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<v Speaker 2>old MERV Griffin set and he started hosting the MERV

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<v Speaker 2>Griffin Show in his apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Burger King will come back again in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So you said they were rigorously clean. That

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the things they were known for. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing they were known for was that their food

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<v Speaker 2>was like, like really fresh. I couldn't think of a

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<v Speaker 2>non offensive way to put it, but it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really fresh take on food.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it was as fresh as food could

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<v Speaker 1>be for that format.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that the coffee was super fresh, like after

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, they would throw the coffee out and put

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<v Speaker 1>new coffee in the food they did not sell the

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<v Speaker 1>next day. And if you're thinking, what a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>food waste because they're pre making this stuff, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that in a sec. But a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of genius here is they had three different day

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<v Speaker 1>old shops in lower income neighborhoods in New York. So

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<v Speaker 1>the next day they would sell the food there at

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<v Speaker 1>a discount. So even if you didn't have the nickel

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<v Speaker 1>for the piece of pie or whatever, you might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get it for like two or three cents

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<v Speaker 1>the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, yeah, or two and a half cents. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can find it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll eat a pie for a week, So I'm fine

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<v Speaker 1>with that.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, as long as it hasn't fallen on the

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<v Speaker 2>street in public, for sure. And they were also known

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<v Speaker 2>for that really good coffee, right that came out of

0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.959
<v Speaker 2>dolphin's mouths. So at the time, if you were in America,

0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.199
<v Speaker 2>the coffee you drank and this is the I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen tens, it was boiled, yeah, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>no filter, no nothing, so like grounds would come out,

0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.480
<v Speaker 2>so your coffee was gritty. There was no filter again

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<v Speaker 2>to take out any of the oils. Any of the tastes.

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<v Speaker 2>It was harsh, harsh coffee, and that's what people drank

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<v Speaker 2>and you liked it, and you didn't complain because the

0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.120
<v Speaker 2>coffee would punch you in the face if you did.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that kind of coffee. Well, Horn and Hardart

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<v Speaker 2>had a different take. They had a French drip, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is still mixed, pretty good coffee, but at the

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<v Speaker 2>time you had to go to New Orleans to get

0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.720
<v Speaker 2>coffee like that, and Horn and Heartart serving the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in New York and Philadelphia at all of the sixty

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<v Speaker 2>plus automats for a nickel and every twenty minutes they

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<v Speaker 2>throw out the old coffee and bring in fresh stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. They sold so much coffee that they ended

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<v Speaker 1>up losing money on it because they kept it locked

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<v Speaker 1>into that nickel price for thirty eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I did the math. In nineteen twelve, which

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<v Speaker 2>is when they hit New York, and nickel was worth

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<v Speaker 2>a dollar sixty today. By nineteen fifty it was worth

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four cents. So they started definitely losing money over

0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.520
<v Speaker 2>time on that coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. So they were losing money. They eventually

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<v Speaker 1>had to raise the price. The only thing they could

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<v Speaker 1>do was double it to ten cents. Because their slots

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<v Speaker 1>took nickels and their sales dropped a lot, from seventy

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<v Speaker 1>million cups a year to forty five million, they still

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<v Speaker 1>came out on top revenue wise, if you do the math.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember watching the documentary and they were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this. I've wondered and I haven't found my way

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<v Speaker 1>to wrap my head around how to actually do this topic.

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<v Speaker 1>But something about change like coins and how they established

0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 1>so much commerce, like a coin slot only taking a nickel,

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the only thing you can do is double it. So

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean to the economy? Like there's something there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just not quite sure how to frame it.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe somebody could help me with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we could tie it into the idea that I

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<v Speaker 2>had about why everything is so much more expensive now,

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<v Speaker 2>even really maybe speaking than it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I mean the idea of like doubling the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of something is crazy, even if it's a nickel

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<v Speaker 1>to a dime. At the time, like doubling your price

0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.640
<v Speaker 1>is just insanity for a business, But there was nothing

0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:39.240
<v Speaker 1>else they could do.

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<v Speaker 2>But even still, even doubling the price from a nickel

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<v Speaker 2>to a dime in nineteen fifties money that was still

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<v Speaker 2>twenty or so cents less than what they were getting

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:54.040
<v Speaker 2>for in nineteen twelve, Yeah, adjusting for inflation. So it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like to me the bigger problem is that they

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<v Speaker 2>just doubled it overnight. And again that's all they could

0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.560
<v Speaker 2>do because their slots only took nickels. Yeah, so that's

0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.400
<v Speaker 2>what they had to deal with. But like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>even still they came out on top revenue wise. But

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<v Speaker 2>I get the impression that there were probably a lot

0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.280
<v Speaker 2>of grumblers over that kind of thing who really just

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 2>took super good cheap coffee for granted, and frankly, shame

0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:16.920
<v Speaker 2>on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they also sold a lot of pie, and I

0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 1>do remember this from the dock. Pie was a very

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<v Speaker 1>big deal at H and H in nineteen sixty four.

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.919
<v Speaker 1>Here's a pretty fun stat They sold an average of

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and twenty two pieces of pie in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City between eight and eleven am. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>some people who said, some historians that have said that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about this, but maybe that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a desire for people to do things like eat pie

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<v Speaker 1>for breakfast, but if you had to order it from

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<v Speaker 1>a server. You might be like, oh, you know, I

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.360
<v Speaker 1>can't order apple pie for breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, pancakes with apples on them?

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. But at the autumat you could just do it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on the down low and be quiet about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I didn't know people would be judgy like

0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that back then. But maybe, uh.

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think everybody, yeah, because they were pretty proper

0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:08.880
<v Speaker 2>back then too, you.

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Know, pie for breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>Even today, though I went and looked, I was like, okay,

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:18.080
<v Speaker 2>surely our attitudes have changed. No, no, they haven't. If

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.800
<v Speaker 2>you look up breakfast pies, it's all like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>breakfast stuff, but in like a pie shell or something

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 2>like that. There's no one out there eating actual pie

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:29.440
<v Speaker 2>for breakfast. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, because it's a dessert. It's a little weird.

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<v Speaker 2>First.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the idea, but it is a dessert.

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<v Speaker 2>You can make the case that almost all breakfast foods

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:44.440
<v Speaker 2>are desserts in the United States. Man, have you heard

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<v Speaker 2>of like I hop.

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<v Speaker 1>So after your steak dinner you can get a bacon,

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 1>egg and cheese biscuit exactly.

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.359
<v Speaker 2>I would that sounds good, although I don't like biscuits

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 2>very much as a sandwich. I like a biscuity on

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 2>its own, like say cracker barrel. If you get biscuits

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and honey, okay, really good. But if you take that biscuit,

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 2>cut it in half and put anything like a a

0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.960
<v Speaker 2>cheese or something on them, like this is grody. Give

0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.440
<v Speaker 2>me an English muffin, make it a mist Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, never knew that. All right, still getting to know

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>each other after all these years. All right, So let's

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about the nickel throwers. Because if

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna require a bunch of nickels, you're gonna have

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to have a bunch of nickels. And you don't often

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.680
<v Speaker 1>come in with a bunch of nickels as a consumer.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had change people. They were women, basically. They

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<v Speaker 1>called them nickel throwers. Yeah, and they just sat there

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:42.439
<v Speaker 1>all day long shoving nickels across the counter, just like

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 1>when I would go to the ninety nine cent movie

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.160
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid. They had a big stack

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:51.159
<v Speaker 1>of tickets and a big stack of pennies and they

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>would just shove it back to you in the window,

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and it was always a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, that's funny. So I guess they decided that

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.239
<v Speaker 2>that ninety nine cent price really brought people in more

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 2>than a one dollar movie would. Huh maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm curious how much they would lose in a

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<v Speaker 1>year on those pennies.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things though, Chuck, did you see I

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 2>guess in the documentary the nickel throwers and like the bubble,

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.439
<v Speaker 2>the glass bubble, Yeah, fronted things that they said and

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:19.679
<v Speaker 2>they look like fortune tellers.

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty funny, but it was part of.

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 2>That whole ornate look to everything, like its just the

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.159
<v Speaker 2>whole Most of those places were really.

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Pretty Yeah, absolutely, and you know, like you said, it

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>conveyed a sense of the future. Like kids loved it

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 1>for that reason because they were it was like being

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>in the Jetsons or something. But kids also loved it

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>because that gave him a sense of autonomy to go

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.239
<v Speaker 1>in there and get a couple of nickels from their

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>parents and to be able to walk up and pick

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>something out.

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>You got to read that Neil Simon quote.

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>It's great Neil Simon. I take issue with this quote

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 1>or the end of it. Oh you okay, Neil Simon,

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the Great Neil Simon said this when he was a

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 1>child about going there or as an adult, about going

0:24:57.680 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 1>there as a child, to have your own stack of

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>nickels placed in your tiny hands, to be able to

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 1>choose your own food richly on display like museum pieces,

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to make quick and final decisions at the age of eight.

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 1>That was a lesson in financial dealings that not even

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 1>two years at the Wharton School could buy today.

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.919
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you look there, you think that hyperbolic. Yeah, that's

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 2>probably so, but it is a pretty great quote for

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 2>it's very sweet. So one of the things though, is,

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 2>including people like Neil Simon and other people who were

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>interviewed in the Automat documentary, people tend to remember the

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:39.199
<v Speaker 2>food as like good, and it's entirely possible it was

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 2>for a while. But the older, the longer you go

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>along in the history of the Automat, the worse the

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 2>food probably got for a little while. So it's not

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>entirely clear that that the food was actually good toward

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the end. And we can't really say because again, the

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 2>last one closed in nineteen ninety one, and I'm guessing

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 2>by the time that one.

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Closed it's probably wasn't too good.

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, You shouldn't really compare the food in general over

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 2>the course of the history of the automat to that

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.639
<v Speaker 2>last one. But I'm guessing it was probably pretty decent

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 2>for a while based on some of the stuff I'm reading.

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I bet it was pretty good, if for no other

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>reason than in the nineteen twenties and thirties and forties

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and fifties, they use real food, right, and real ingredients,

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't like it is today. So I just

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>think by virtue of that, it was probably not bad.

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, I'm with you, So, Chuck, I say,

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>we talk about how automated the automat really was, because

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>it turns out not really. It was really a facade. Literally,

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>it was a facade of food that seemed to be

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 2>mysteriously conjured out of nowhere, possibly by robots.

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that was one of the selling points that,

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, another piece of pie on a tiny plate

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>would pop into that window when one went out. It's

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:56.479
<v Speaker 1>not like it just stayed empty. I guess if they

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>ran out of pie, it would or they'd probably put

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, something else in there. But they had a

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>huge actually a few different central commissaries in the city

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>where they would make all the stuff. They would ship

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 1>it over there, and they had tons and tons and

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 1>tons of worker bees behind the scenes doing all that stuff.

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>They had these rotating drums that would do the work

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of filling the actual slots. But there had to be

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>someone filling those drums. So it wasn't a bunch of

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>robots back there. It was not George Jensen. It was

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>just a bunch of people plating stuff up and putting

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 1>it in the drum to put in the window.

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So say that you went up and you're like,

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have that delicious bowl of bubbling, greasy

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>oyster stew that's just sitting there looking at me in

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the face. I think one of those oysters might still

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 2>be alive. That's how good it was. Right, And you

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>put your nickel in and you pull the lever correct.

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember if there was a lever, but that

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>sounds about.

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, or like you pulled the like you were buying

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 2>cigarettes as a kid when you were fourteen in a

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:01.360
<v Speaker 2>coin operated machine, that kind of lever what I'm talking about, right.

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't like you did, but sure I saw

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 1>the bad kids doing that exactly.

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>So you would do something like that and then either

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it would open like it would allow the little glass

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>compartment window to open up so you could get your

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>oyster stew or what have you from inside, or it

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 2>might rotate a drum like you were saying, so that

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that oyster stew was now available to you. And you'd

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 2>open the window, and then there would be an open

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>compartment in the back of the drum that somebody who

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>was working the back of the automat cases would see

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 2>was empty and would put a new thing of oyster

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>stew in there, and then the whole thing would just continue.

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I also saw that some of them had a photo

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>of the food and that yeah, you would like open

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the case and just pull it out, and then the

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>people in backwood notice that that one was empty. But

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>suffice to say, however the food came out, there was

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a way to see in the rear that that compartment

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 2>needed refilling. And one of the things Horn and Hardart

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 2>was known for was armies of people who made sure

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that that food was there, that the compartments were full,

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 2>and that the food was fresh too, that the salisbury

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>steak wasn't getting jiggly. You know what I mean.

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I know you're doing it on a purpose. It's all fun.

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>That last part was purpose.

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>For a while there they didn't have hot windows. They

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>just had the cold windows, so the hot food was

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>served from a steam table. But it was not too

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>long until they had the hot windows and the cold windows,

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>or the hot cases. Probably how they treated their workers

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>is a matter of debate. They struck a couple of times.

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen thirty seven they struck. They had three thousand employees

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>at the time. That failed. That organizing effort did not hold.

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Then again in nineteen fifty two they struck again, and

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>eventually New York State Supreme Court Justice Melvin Barash was

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>one of the people trying to organize at the time

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty two and in nineteen ninety one he

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 1>said the conditions were straight out of the nineteenth century.

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>That effort failed other people. If you watch the documentary,

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the son of the president of the company said, no,

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>it was great. We had company picnics and Christmas parties

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>and like every it was really really really.

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Great that I loved the workers, Yeah, exactly. There was

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>also an actor named Apache Ramos, who is best known

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>for playing one of the orphans in The Warriors, but

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>also is lesser known as having managed the Fat Boys

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>in the eighties.

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh the Warriors. That Warriors.

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, come out and play a patchie ramos.

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll have to check that guy out.

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, he had a magnificent afro in that in

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>that movie.

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I totally know exactly the guy.

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah what a great Yeah. But he also managed the

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Fat Boy like the Fat Boys are back, uh huh.

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>In the eighties, he worked at an automatic and so

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>did his grandmother. I'm assuming one or the other got

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>the other one the job. But he remembered that the

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>horn and Hardart would throw holiday parties for the workers

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>children around like Christmas time. Oh man, can you imagine

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>how beautiful those places looked when they were decorated for

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Christmas parties in like the fifties and sixties. Like I

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 2>if you know, people are like, if you could ever

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 2>go back in time, what would you do? I would

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 2>go to that Christmas party?

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure. This reminds me of a childhood

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>trauma that I suffered because growing up, my sister had

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a best friend whose father worked for Craft Foods and

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>they had a big craft like they rented six flags

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>or something. It was some big thing every year. Wow,

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>my brother's best friend worked for Coca Cola, and every

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>year they had the big Coca Cola picnic thing. I

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>had nobody an never got to go in. Every single

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>year I had to watch Scott and Michelle go to

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the craft event in the coc event.

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's terrible.

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just it still sticks with me after all

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>these years.

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Your friend Richie was like, well, my dad owns the

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>tire shop. So you come to that. We don't really

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 2>have a party, but we stand around.

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Should we take another break? Yeah, all right, we'll take

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>another break and talk about the inclusivity of the automat

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>right after this.

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Chuck, just before we took a break, you nailed

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>it up on the head. You said, we're talking about

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 2>the inclusivity of the automatic and in particular the horn

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and Harder automat, which again they were synonymous with automats.

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 2>They were one of the earliest chain restaurants in the

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 2>United States to integrate, not discriminate against their clientele, not

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 2>just you know, like unescorted women, God forbid, but also

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 2>racially speaking, economically speaking, like like whoever came to a

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>horn and hard are automat to eat was treated equally

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and that was huge. I mean we're talking starting in

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen tens. Yeah, that was an enormous deal. And

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 2>that's something that I mean, my hat's off to them

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>for that.

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. They had a motto which would serve

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>everybody and serve everybody in the same way, which is

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>a great quote. And Colin Powell, former Secretary of State,

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>is in the documentary and it's a great, really sweet

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 1>interview and he said, the one we would usually go

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to is automat on forty second straight, forty Sive Street.

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I never even thought about the fact that I'm a

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>black kid. Should I go into horn and hardart? Is

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>it okay to go to the automat? All? The automats

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 1>had that beautiful diversity that didn't exist in most of

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the country, of economic standing, of color,

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>of ethnicity, of language. You never knew what you'd run

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>into in an automat.

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty cool. There was also a historian named

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Lisa Keller I believe in the documentary pointed out that

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>if you were an immigrant, this was a great place

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.479
<v Speaker 2>for you to go because you just went and looked

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>at the food and put your nickel in. You didn't

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.320
<v Speaker 2>really have to be able to read or speak English,

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 2>and you could still get a good meal of boysters too.

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see what Aaron Cooper does with this.

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They were also known for their celebrity fans. They

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>had those one very famous Esquire spread. Of course, this

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 1>is for Esquire, so it was all set up. But

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty one, Audrey Hepburn was a photograph for Esquire.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>So cute shopping at an automat, very cute. But in

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the documentary Reiner and Brooks, you know, Carl Reiner and

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.720
<v Speaker 1>mel Brooks loved the automat and they talked with great

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 1>adoration about their childhood of going to those restaurants.

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and James Dean his favorite big beans in the

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>world were horn and hard arts big.

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Beans, James bean more like, that's right.

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>He really knew what he was talking about too. That's

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 2>how he died in that car accident. He was eating

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>some big beans at the time and lost control of

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 2>the steering wheel. God, that's not true, everybody. We did

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 2>a short stuff on it, so, yeah, exactly, don't at me.

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>So, I guess we're at the sad point, like so

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>many of these episodes that we do on a cool

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>thing from the past. Where the decline begins. The nineteen

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>sixties is when that started, although they were still like

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>a huge deal culturally. You know, everyone knew about the

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 1>automat and I don't think we mentioned you know, at

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>a certain point in New York City, they were so

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 1>famous that it was like, when you go to visit

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>New York, you would go to an auto that just

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>for that experience.

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like how like when we were kids, you went

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.399
<v Speaker 2>to that city's like hard rock cafe to get the.

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah sure remember that, oh man, totally Yeah.

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 2>You wear with your Panama Jack sunglasses and everybody at

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 2>home would be like, you had a great summer obviously.

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, my band did one gig at the hard

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Rock Cafe here in Atlanta one time.

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow, wed they put your guitar up under a glass case?

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 1>They did.

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>It'd be pretty sweet.

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>But the sixties is where things really started to struggle,

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 1>even though they were again still popular culturally. Stockholders were

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>involved by that point obviously, just revenues started dropping. The

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>suburbs was a big cause of it. You know, when

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>people started moving out to the suburbs, offices and office

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 1>complexes started getting built in the suburbs, and people started

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>shopping at malls in the suburbs, and there were fewer

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and fewer people just you know, walking around New York

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 1>doing things like shopping and going to their office. So

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it it started to sort of slowly drop and slowly

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>drop until they got a little weird with some of

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:05.760
<v Speaker 1>their ideas.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, wild West Room. I could not find a

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>picture of that, but apparently one of the automats this

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 2>one in Times Square they put a Wild West Room

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 2>inn in nineteen sixty six. I mean, I'm sure people

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>would have gone crazy for that in nineteen sixty six.

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Not a wild restroom. That's every restroom in New York City.

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 2>There's like a ton of potted plants and a tiger

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 2>in there.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Right. They also tried to beer garden, They tried the

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>roller skate waiters thing. They tried entered you know, live

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>bands and dancing and stuff like that. But eventually Horn

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and Hardert looked at each other and they said, well

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 1>this has clearly seen its best days. The silver lining

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>is as we are sitting on a bunch of really

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>valuable real estate.

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, like forty buildings in Manhattan.

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they don't feel too bad.

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 2>They were doing okay, no, but instead of selling them,

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>they said, hey, I've got an idea. Let's remove the

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 2>automat and put burger Kings in instead. They have franchises,

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:04.840
<v Speaker 2>So that's where you would have gotten your old automat

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.399
<v Speaker 2>cases is in the back of a burger King.

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I was just about to improvise one of those terrible, terrible, terrible,

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>terrible Burger King commercial songs.

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>That's that's one of the big drawbacks to watching Me

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Trevy tunes.

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, is that on there too?

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 2>There's this one Burger King that keeps playing over and

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 2>over and over again. I had to hit myself in

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the knee with the hammer to get it out of

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 2>my head.

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, is this whole new campaign with a guy that's singing, Yeah,

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 1>that can't sing.

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Don't don't do it. No, no, no, that's like my oysters too.

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess I won't do a song right now.

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Actually I know exactly why now we're even exactly so yeah,

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess you can. Just if you can mute the

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the the TV fast enough, then you can keep watching

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 2>me TV tunes.

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, So burger Kings went in, Automats

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>were going downhill. Another thing that happened was as they

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:07.479
<v Speaker 1>started going downhill, a different kind of shopper started coming

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in there. People that were itinerant, to people that were unhoused,

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 1>people that were vagrants and just sort of coming through

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 1>town who knew that they could hang out there for

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 1>that nickel cup of coffee for hours and hours and hours.

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And when that starts happening, families stopped coming in, and

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.919
<v Speaker 1>it just creates this sort of vicious cycle where your

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>clientele is different and it's not seen as that safe

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>middle class space any longer.

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>No, in those same families, they're like, Oh, let's go

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>down to the automat step in and they're like, oh,

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>it's ced here, So they stopped coming in, which just

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 2>reinforced the ability of the homeless population to hang out.

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>And Horn and hard Art. Horn and hard Art's whole

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 2>thing was serve everybody, and serve everybody the same way.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 2>So as far as I ever saw, they weren't exactly

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 2>rousing vagrants who were hanging out drinking like a cup

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 2>of coffee. And it just was basically the same story

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 2>as the inner city in the United States in the

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 2>sixties and seventies. They once the suburbs rose and everybody

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.799
<v Speaker 2>moved out of there, and the neighborhoods and the communities

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.919
<v Speaker 2>that did survive had US interstates built right through their neighborhoods.

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Things just took a turn for the worse, and the

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 2>automat was not immune to that whole thing.

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Another big part of that is, like these this

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>huge central commissary kitchens where they were cooking all this

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff is an excellent, excellent, efficient way to do it

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>when you are booming with business. Once business drops and

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you're not cooking, you're not needing to cook as much.

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, your the economy of scale isn't

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>there any longer, and you have these huge places with

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>fewer employees and less food being pumped out, and it's

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.800
<v Speaker 1>just it was just a downward spiral. It's very sad.

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep. So the other thing too is it's it's interesting

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's kind of appropriate that Horn and

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Hardart got into fast food franchises because the automat kind

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 2>of helped lay the foundation for that. But rather than

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of different dishes, which is apparently what Horn and

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 2>hard are offered at each of their automats, you know,

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 2>fast food has like ten and like yess, you can

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 2>have it your way, but really you can have it

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 2>your way choosing from these five ingredients or whatever. And

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 2>there were much like downscale like surroundings. It was just

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 2>like the Automat's vision with all of the glitz and

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 2>idealism removed from it. Then you have fast food franchises.

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, basically that last one that closed in ninety one.

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>It was the last one starting in nineteen seventy seven

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>at two hundred East forty second Street. So right there,

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of your time square. Sure, and it

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:54.879
<v Speaker 1>lasted fourteen years on its own as a nostalgia piece

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>basically before becoming a gap.

0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 2>That's right, it's the gap.

0:41:59.360 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>What else?

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>So, like you said, if you went to New York,

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.399
<v Speaker 2>like you go to the Empire State Building, you might

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 2>go see a Broadway play and you would go eat

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 2>it in an automat. That's just how iconic it was, right.

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>It popped up like anytime you're trying to get across

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.439
<v Speaker 2>how New York your your movie was like, there would

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>be a scene in an automat or something like that. Yeah.

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Francis Ford Coppola apparently directed a movie in the sixties

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 2>that featured an automat called Automat Now then showed up

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm kidding it showed upga it Now I'm a

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 2>little slow dog. Hey, I think you're doing magnificent for

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.479
<v Speaker 2>considering what you've been through the last couple of days.

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Man, I've been through apocalypse now.

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Bugs Bunny went to an automat and the hair grows

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>in Manhattan.

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>That's right. What the flintstones? They even had a flintstone

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 1>automat in a nineteen sixty two episode.

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 2>And there's a book that I think I've heard of,

0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>but I'd never read from the mixed up files of

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 2>this is Basil E. Frank Weiler.

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>That sounds familiar.

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing that sounds familiar to me is that

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>these kids hide out living in the Metropolitan Museum of

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Art in New York.

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's the Royal Tanne Bombs that's.

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guarantee homage to that then. Yeah. But anyway,

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>in this children's book, these kids are runaways and they

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:27.359
<v Speaker 2>live in MAT That's the Met, right. The Met isn't

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the opera house, it's the art museum.

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 1>The Metropolitan Museum of Art is the Met.

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, right, Well, one of the things that they

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 2>do is they feed themselves by going to the automat.

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's fun. And I did not know he totally Yeah,

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:43.879
<v Speaker 1>let's call him homage. You're kinder than I am.

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Wes Anderson does not rip stuff off. He

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 2>lovingly pays homage to it.

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. Pat Boone tried his version of

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:56.839
<v Speaker 1>the automat called the Dino Matt in nineteen sixty two,

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>which was frozen food that was then microwave. That did

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>not work out too well, that's supprising. But there were

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 1>a few other things over the years that were tried

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>like this that did not take off like the automat did.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:10.720
<v Speaker 2>My favorite was the Andy Matt.

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's up with that?

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Andy Warhol. This is just what an artist he was.

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 2>He could just talk about it. He just mention something

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>in passing and people are still talking about it fifty

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.840
<v Speaker 2>years later. But he said that he was going to

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 2>come up with the chain of Andy Matts, which are

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 2>like automats, but instead of having to go get your

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 2>food from a case, you would sit down on like

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>a red mohair banquette and order through a pneumatic tube

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and you would order frozen food and champagne. That's what

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.320
<v Speaker 2>he was going to offer at the Andy Matt.

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's funny, but that never happened at all, right,

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 1>just an idea.

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't, but there's some people who are trying

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to revive it.

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there are things like this. I mean

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Japan has stuff like this, right.

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.800
<v Speaker 2>They have what's called katain zushi.

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's that.

0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 2>It's the sushi that comes around in a conveyor belt.

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Now, but they I've seen little windows as well of things.

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 1>It may not be hot food, maybe it's other things.

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure that they do. I remember going to

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Toledo Hospital visit my mom when she's at work, and

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:14.839
<v Speaker 2>they had basically auto sandwiches Like I always just thought

0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 2>it was like a like a vending machine, a vending machine. Yeah,

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>but they know it was an automat basically. Yeah.

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 1>There's a place in Brooklyn called the Brooklyn Dumpling Shop.

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 1>I think there are like twelve of them and here

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 1>in Canada and they I just looked up a picture

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>of them, and they they had these little automat kind

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>of like cubbies that you order through an app like

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a locker system. And I've also seen. I think it

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:40.839
<v Speaker 1>was a shark tank product that I ended up seeing

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 1>in a hotel where it's like a machine that gives

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you like a cheeseburger or a pizza like but made

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>to order, so like you can say what kind of

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.360
<v Speaker 1>pizza you want and it'll it's just got this machine

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 1>inside it'll, you know, load it up with whatever and

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 1>then bake it and then it spits it out in

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes or whatever. So things kind of like this

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 1>but not not truly automat stuff.

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 2>One of the things you can choose for that pizza

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 2>maker is I don't want the cheese to scald the

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 2>roof of my mouth, right, And the pizza machines like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure,

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 2>definitely not.

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:14.399
<v Speaker 1>And then they have a hidden camera on you, right

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:16.800
<v Speaker 1>and spit out a picture of you going, ah.

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, damn it, you got anything else?

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing else. I don't think I have to puke.

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I think this is the best I've felt in a

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 1>few days. So hopefully that.

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>That makes me feel good about the effect I have

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:31.399
<v Speaker 2>on you.

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just a little josh, a little side cup of

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>oyster stew. I'm back on my feet again.

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>There you go. Well, since Chuck's back on his feet again. Obviously,

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 2>anyone who's ever listened to this show before knows that

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 2>he just unlocked the listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, this is short and sweet. This is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fun because it's a this is coming out tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a correction on an episode that was just

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<v Speaker 1>out awesome. So maybe for a change we won't get

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<v Speaker 1>like four hundred emails from crafters.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh yeah, hey guys, are the.

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<v Speaker 1>High Times episode In Martha Stewart, hodgepodge is a big

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<v Speaker 1>jumble of things that don't go together. Modgepodge is the

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<v Speaker 1>craft supply. Just don't want you to embarrass yourselves at

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<v Speaker 1>the craft store. That is from Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>Modgepodge is what you use to glue together a big

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<v Speaker 2>jumble of things that don't go together.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great Kelly. Thank you, and to the other

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<v Speaker 2>thousand of you who wrote in. It's nice to know

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<v Speaker 2>that there are people out there still using modgepodge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's fun to say, and it's got

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<v Speaker 2>a cute label too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, magpodge is really a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy it for sure. And we heard from Martha

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart too. She said, yes, I have Modgepodge laying around.

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<v Speaker 2>Think Jerry got in touch with there and asked, that's right. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be like who Kelly? If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be like Kelly and right in to gently

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<v Speaker 2>correct us, we love that kind of thing. You can

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