Speaker 1: Welcome back on in to Off the Edge with me,
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, your host. I'mnna be sitting here talking about
Speaker 1: what happened the week four, whether that be our loss
Speaker 1: to the Buccaneers, the Khalil Mack six sack performance, jumping
Speaker 1: to the tops of the leaderboard of NFL sack leaders
Speaker 1: from zero to six all in one game in four quarters.
Speaker 1: He was going, he was going off this weekend, We're
Speaker 1: also gonna, you know, sit down with one of my
Speaker 1: other edge guys, my rushers, my compatriot rushers, if you will,
Speaker 1: Max Crosby, and we're just gonna slide in and see
Speaker 1: how he feels about edge rushers, that term, that terminology
Speaker 1: ed rusher, What is it? Is there a difference between
Speaker 1: defensive ends and outside linebackers edge rusher encopassing both. So
Speaker 1: come on in off the Edge with Cam Jordan. So
Speaker 1: let's just start off and rip this band aid off.
Speaker 1: The Saints are officially two and two. Started off hot,
Speaker 1: two wins in and then you know you lose a close,
Speaker 1: tight one two Green Bay and you should lose those
Speaker 1: type of games. And even all that went wrong, Derek
Speaker 1: Carr getting hurt, us not putting any points up in
Speaker 1: the second half, US allowing points to be put up
Speaker 1: in the second half on defensive side, it hurts. Even
Speaker 1: with all that, there was still a chance to drive
Speaker 1: down the field behind the helm of Jameis Winston. Put
Speaker 1: yourself in field goal range. One field goal. We could
Speaker 1: have been sitting three and one, that's not the case,
Speaker 1: or three and zero headed into this week, you know,
Speaker 1: So then we go Tampa Bay, comes down to New
Speaker 1: Orleans and just lay an egg. I mean, three good
Speaker 1: quarters are played. You talk about our defense, what we
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Put pressure on Bacon Mayfield. I think
Speaker 1: Bacon Mayfield made a lot of great plays, was able
Speaker 1: to slip out the pocket, to elude the pocket, carry
Speaker 1: some first first downs. I think that. You know, there
Speaker 1: was times where he was pressured, arms in his face,
Speaker 1: hands in his face, his body was thrown to the ground.
Speaker 1: He still made plays, still made throws. The guys like
Speaker 1: Mike Evans and Chris Godwin the like. There was times
Speaker 1: where you know, rookie the running back White look good
Speaker 1: and yet you'd still say he was averaging three under
Speaker 1: three and a half yards a carry. I call it
Speaker 1: a clip if you will. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't good enough. So we've got to rapidly improve.
Speaker 1: We have to turn that page on off day on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: break down that film for the incoming New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: Don't know who's going to be the quarterback. It could
Speaker 1: be Zap, it could be you know, they can go
Speaker 1: back to mac Jones. We got a lot of things
Speaker 1: we want to do. We got a lot of talent.
Speaker 1: We had Alva Kamara come back this last week looking special.
Speaker 1: The way he's able to go between those tackles, bounce out,
Speaker 1: bounce in. It's special to watch when you have guys
Speaker 1: like Mike Thomas and the snags he had this game.
Speaker 1: You see Rashid Shaheed and the speed that he brings.
Speaker 1: He's electric. And then of course, you know you can't
Speaker 1: not talk about you know, our dbs who have stepped up,
Speaker 1: had an interception in the end zone when we need
Speaker 1: it the most. So it's got to be it's got
Speaker 1: to be a whole team effort, which brings us to
Speaker 1: you know what we saw around the league where you
Speaker 1: have guys like the Seattle Seahawks eleven sacks, even standout
Speaker 1: performances Khalil Mack.
Speaker 2: O'Connell looking in the middle of the field, hit and
Speaker 2: he is dropped, sacked.
Speaker 1: Who do you think? It was? Unbelievable?
Speaker 3: The sixth sack for Khalil Mack, a new Chargers record,
Speaker 3: a loss of ten, a new individual record for Khalil
Speaker 3: Mack in a single game.
Speaker 1: Yep, maybe zero sacks going into the game, but it
Speaker 1: takes one game to hit the leaderboard. As Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: could show you zero to six. Real quick man had
Speaker 1: six sacks in one game, left side, right side, in tier,
Speaker 1: exterior pass rush, extraordinary speed, rush, bullrush, power, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it. He had it all. He was
Speaker 1: in his bag. A shout out salute to Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: doing what you do. There's a reason why you know,
Speaker 1: you're always in conversations of being one of the top
Speaker 1: defensive players. The games like this, then they can't when olfs,
Speaker 1: the line can't track you, when even when they get
Speaker 1: ahold of you, they can't really get ahold of you.
Speaker 1: Chargers had six sacks in one game, all of them.
Speaker 1: Clil Mack.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the Giants game. Eleven sacks. Is that the
Speaker 2: defense being is that the Seahawks defense being that good
Speaker 2: or the Giants offensive line that bad.
Speaker 1: There's another line, no one soon and Daniel Jones, I mean,
Speaker 1: if I don't know what else, as you said, he's
Speaker 1: not allowed to do anything back there because he just
Speaker 1: has absolutely no time. Come on, you talk about you
Speaker 1: talk about Seattle defense as a whole. What two interceptions,
Speaker 1: eleven sacks. There wasn't much that the Giants could do
Speaker 1: to stop the defense. I feel like maybe I'm biased
Speaker 1: as a defensive guy. I could care less who's at
Speaker 1: helm when things are clicking at all cylinders, when you
Speaker 1: have pour down linemen that are just getting sacks, when
Speaker 1: you have linebackers adding in on sacks, when you have
Speaker 1: your blitz adding in on sacks, when you have you know,
Speaker 1: guys jumping routes, taking taking first and second reads away,
Speaker 1: You're not leaving much space to breathe for a quarterback
Speaker 1: when the defense is rolling. Pick your poison is what
Speaker 1: Seattle pretty much gave the Giants, and uh that poison
Speaker 1: was drank. I mean, it just is what it is.
Speaker 2: So one of the other thing that happened in that
Speaker 2: game happened over the weekend. The Giants, the Chargers, the Patriots,
Speaker 2: they all tried the now the infamous Eagles Toush push
Speaker 2: all failed, all three of them. So clearly it's not
Speaker 2: just right. It's not just it's not as easy to do.
Speaker 2: It's it doesn't seem like if they're failing and the
Speaker 2: Eagles are the only ones able to do it consistently,
Speaker 2: what does that tell you.
Speaker 1: It's Jalen Hurts. It's the Jalen Hurts effect. I think
Speaker 1: that the Eagles tried the Toush push last year against
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints and it didn't work. With Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 1: You know, Jalen Hurts is is uh from what I
Speaker 1: from I've been told and what I've heard is not
Speaker 1: only a great guy, but he's he's a gym rat.
Speaker 1: He's a musclehead. You know, he's one of those. Uh
Speaker 1: he's one. But yeah, power lifting four five, six hundred
Speaker 1: pounds squadters whatever that is. And to clear there's some
Speaker 1: drive there. Because you take Jaalen Hurts out of there,
Speaker 1: you insert Gardnermentshew, You're not getting the same push, You're
Speaker 1: getting the same to You're getting the same push, push,
Speaker 1: but not the same result.
Speaker 2: He's not as powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say. You know, an assisted quarterback sneak.
Speaker 2: Okay, But but if you're when you're going up against that,
Speaker 2: what's what's how do you beat it? What's the what's
Speaker 2: the plan.
Speaker 1: Your guys up front? It's always gonna come down to
Speaker 1: the defensive line, right, I mean if the defensive line,
Speaker 1: the interior can interrupt one. You know that that center
Speaker 1: trying to lean forward, the quarterback driving, You're gonna have
Speaker 1: that as well, But it's gonna be that It's gonna
Speaker 1: be those nose tackles that detackle, hopefully in a five
Speaker 1: D line front because you've you've already signaled in you know,
Speaker 1: you know exactly what play that there they're about to run.
Speaker 1: You've got you know, a three zero three which is
Speaker 1: a a nose tackle or dtackle in a three which
Speaker 1: is the outside shoulder of the guard or hopefully a
Speaker 1: two I inside shoulder of the guard now taking up
Speaker 1: that a gap. Then you got a nose right next
Speaker 1: to him. And then you got another formidal nose or
Speaker 1: de tackle right next to him again this three zero
Speaker 1: three or two eyes zero two I inside shades of
Speaker 1: the guard and head up on the center. You create
Speaker 1: that wall. And as long as that wall is you
Speaker 1: know it is not moving and or pushing backwards. You
Speaker 1: then have your rally points, just like a quarterback assisted
Speaker 1: sneak Toush push. I don't like this Toush push reference,
Speaker 1: but this assisted quarterback sneak it has you know, two helpers.
Speaker 1: You have linebackers flying in as well, so there's there's
Speaker 1: there's helpers versus helpers. So then it just becomes a
Speaker 1: game of horsepower who has more.
Speaker 2: So it's not just lower low man wins.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be low man wins, but also comes down
Speaker 1: to you know, will GrITT and a little bit of luck.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say it was it's
Speaker 2: the Jason Kelsey effect.
Speaker 1: Jason kel You think Jason Kelsey is moving people like that?
Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey is. His prowess is amazing, his power is decent,
Speaker 1: but he's not that nobody's ever been, like, Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a monster of a man. You know, Jason Kelsey is smart,
Speaker 1: he's aggressive at the point of a contact that he's
Speaker 1: a surefire veteran. And I'm just going to say probably
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer maybe because he's draft class of
Speaker 1: twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense. It's a couple of Hall of famers
Speaker 2: in that draft class.
Speaker 1: Just a few, just a few, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: if you if you look at the draft class of
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, which could probably be a whole nother argument itself,
Speaker 1: you figure the number one draft pick overall probably has
Speaker 1: a shot at the Hall of Fame. Cam Newton, right,
Speaker 1: has a shot. Don't know if he gets in, but
Speaker 1: let's just go von Miller getting in. You know. The
Speaker 1: next one you're probably going to put in is possibly
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson. You're you know, like that's another possible.
Speaker 2: What about Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: Julio Jones is definitely in. JJ Watt, probably in you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred in.
Speaker 2: Over one hundred and ten Sacks, Cam Jordan, maybe.
Speaker 1: Ah, Cam Jeorge TVD. You know you high chance that
Speaker 1: there there's five or six Hall of Famers. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's up to me, sure, I'd say I'm in,
Speaker 1: But you know, you group you group myself into that.
Speaker 1: That idea of edge rusher Cam Hayward possibly gets in,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's part of Steelers. Yeah, he's part
Speaker 1: of the Steelers defense. So your figure he's going to
Speaker 1: get in, you know, like once you've been a part
Speaker 1: of Steelers defense, ten years. They just like look at
Speaker 1: your stats and say you're probably getting here, like whether
Speaker 1: they were one hundred sacks deep or fifty sacks deep.
Speaker 1: You're part of the quote unquote vaunted Steelers history line.
Speaker 1: You're probably got a good edge. For some reason, Steelers
Speaker 1: get in. It's the culture, right, It's no doubt the
Speaker 1: history is the eleven you what do you have? Five
Speaker 1: or six?
Speaker 2: Seven? About five? That's just the first round? Five?
Speaker 1: Aj Green? You know, yeah, justin Houston, Richard Sherman. You've
Speaker 1: got guys in there, Jason Kelcey again, m come on.
Speaker 1: I mean typically with when guys, yeah, I mean when
Speaker 1: guys talk about their draft class, right, you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: the you know Aaron Donald, like was that twenty fourteen
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, his draft class are so deep
Speaker 1: or twenty eleven. Oh, you know, they're amazing. They're typically
Speaker 1: speaking about the first rounders, right, right, and then a
Speaker 1: draft class you're like, you're not You're not just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: because our third rounder here was good. Like they're they're additives.
Speaker 1: Like in terms of an ice cream Sunday, a draft
Speaker 1: class is judged by, you know, the first rounder is
Speaker 1: the ice cream and then the second rounders cherries, then
Speaker 1: the third rounders sprinkles, then everything else some random sauce.
Speaker 1: But your draft class is pretty much judged by your
Speaker 1: first round.
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean that's a pretty strong class, like
Speaker 2: up and down.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of death, no doubt, no doubt, a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of depth, a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of good thing. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of conversations, which which is crazy, is you know
Speaker 1: normally a draft class, Yeah, you have your first round
Speaker 1: is but you're like judge for sure by your quarterbacks, right,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, they draft class had so many excellent quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: whereas our quarterbacks sort of were like not the highlight
Speaker 1: beyond Cam Newton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were four that one in the first round
Speaker 2: that year.
Speaker 1: And some would say I'm a little biased in that
Speaker 1: too because they like messed up a little of my
Speaker 1: top fifteenage in me, I went twenty fourth overall. Not
Speaker 1: betty or bitter about it, you know, but like there
Speaker 1: was a Christian Ponder, then there was a Blaine Gabbard yep.
Speaker 2: And you know Jake Locker was the other one, Jake
Speaker 2: Locker ten. Do you remember who went right before you?
Speaker 1: No, twenty three phil No, it was it was It
Speaker 1: was a Canadian that went to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Give your hand. He played guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any Danny Watkins from d Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: Canadian fired men from Baylor, and I specifically remember him
Speaker 1: because I was You know that twenty eleven was a
Speaker 1: different year, was a lockout year ish in terms of guys.
Speaker 1: The previous year, you know, first rounders were getting all
Speaker 1: their money. You know, that was the was that Matt
Speaker 1: Staffords last year. That was in dominicate, sue.
Speaker 2: That was Jerald McCoy, the outrageous bonus man.
Speaker 1: Of the amazing bonuses that guys earned and deserved by
Speaker 1: playing excellent in college, which we thought we were getting
Speaker 1: that in twenty eleven. You know, the previous twenty fourth
Speaker 1: overall pick, Dez Bryant, his contract was like fifteen and
Speaker 1: changed right Cam Jordan's contract at twenty fourth overall seven
Speaker 1: and mid seven seven. Some would say half as his
Speaker 1: face saying aye a year later, No, you're not bitter
Speaker 1: about that. No, it's cool, Like it's it's fine. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I buy my mom a house, next contract, not this one,
Speaker 1: not this one.
Speaker 2: You know, just you're gonna pay loans at the first one, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that twenty eleven. You know, God is good because
Speaker 1: I was blessed enough to to, you know, go to
Speaker 1: the University of California at Berkeley, and you know, see
Speaker 1: my teammate Tyson o'lulu go tenth overall to Jacksonville the
Speaker 1: year before, and I was like, man, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm just as good as him. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: I we have comparable stats, Like we're comparable ish, like
Speaker 1: he's probably more of an inside interior guy and I'm
Speaker 1: just like an edge guy and got to the league
Speaker 1: and they tried to make me interior guy. So I
Speaker 1: was more like Tyson than I thought.
Speaker 2: You were the sixth defensive end taken in the first round.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. I mean, come on, there was
Speaker 1: just quote unquote edge or d Lineman. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was Von Miller right goat status. There was Alden Smith
Speaker 1: fast to forty five sacks before Danielle Hunter, I believe
Speaker 1: before TJ. Watt, so all in Smith to the Niners,
Speaker 1: which I was like, yo, col Bears, Niners, Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. No, they were an all Smith not
Speaker 1: a bad choice. You know, Jessic Smith was anchoring that
Speaker 1: that that uh D line, that Smith from Missouri Massoo
Speaker 1: combo was amazing. Then you had JJ Watt at eleven yep.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Then you had Ryan Kerrigan ninety five and a half
Speaker 1: career sacks, ninety six and ninety six sacks and a
Speaker 1: half bow ninety five and a half career sacks. Then
Speaker 1: after after that, I was like, yo, it's definitely. I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, it's time. I was. I was sort
Speaker 1: of eyeing like after after TJ or after JJ went,
Speaker 1: I was like, cowboys sound decent. Then they went Tyrone
Speaker 1: Smith and I was like, no, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer out of USC gone against Tyron Smith.
Speaker 1: Pretty much my whole coage career was like, no, he's
Speaker 1: really good, that he deserves that. And then you talk
Speaker 1: about after that, it was I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: here we go san Diego. We talked, we had some
Speaker 1: inklings that San Diego is gonna be it. Oh, Corey
Speaker 1: legit out of Illinois, and I was like, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: we're getting a little nervous. But you know what, I
Speaker 1: had gone to Tampa Bay and I had felt really good.
Speaker 1: At twenty. I looked at my agent. My agent was
Speaker 1: like yeah, bro, you crushed that. I went to Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay talked to coach Raheem Moore and he was head
Speaker 1: coach at the time, and I was like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: vibed with me. I vibe with him. I was like,
Speaker 1: they got Jared McCoy. I was like, they got a
Speaker 1: stack d line. I was like, yo, Tampa Bay, let's
Speaker 1: ride they they need a defensive vand And as you know,
Speaker 1: a twenty one year old in the green room in
Speaker 1: New York, when you bring your family up for the
Speaker 1: first round to get selected and your agent has told
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go top fifteen, I was like twenty,
Speaker 1: I says lo as she goes. I was like, all right, fellas,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, it is not actually because they went Adrian
Speaker 1: Clayborne out of the University of Iowa. Good player, good player.
Speaker 1: And then there was might have been Phil Taylor from Baylor, Wow,
Speaker 1: or Mohammad Wilkerson.
Speaker 2: No, you were right, Phil Taylor. Phil Taylor from Baylor,
Speaker 2: another Baylor product.
Speaker 1: He was kind, silent and a dog in college. I wish,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish we had a chance to team up.
Speaker 1: They brought him on for a workout one time. I
Speaker 1: got to say what's up to my dog? And then
Speaker 1: he was out of there, but uh, he was a
Speaker 1: monster in college up and then Mohammed Wilkerson might have
Speaker 1: been right after me.
Speaker 2: So nope, James Carpenter.
Speaker 1: That's the office of Lineman. I was thinking straight defensive lines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. But yeah, there was There was James Carpenter,
Speaker 1: he was a guard at Alabama. Then Danny Watkins and
Speaker 1: then yours truly, which means Mohammad Wilkerson was after me.
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of d Linman. Then there's
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward right at the top of the top of
Speaker 1: like end of the first round.
Speaker 2: Yep, thirty one.
Speaker 1: Was he the last first round pick? Or no it
Speaker 1: was it was Green Bay, Greenmay Packers, Mississippi State Office
Speaker 1: of Lineman, Derek Shrod or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yep. So that's the thing, guys really remember, No, not
Speaker 2: at all. That's a thing.
Speaker 1: No, that's not it's not a thing.
Speaker 2: Like do you guys have a wall, you have a
Speaker 2: wall that you keep from James.
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, because that picked like was the Giants
Speaker 1: was like nineteenth or twenty first something like that. My
Speaker 1: guy Prince of Mukamara nineteen Prince of Mukamarrat out of
Speaker 1: Arizona with my year in high school. We were going
Speaker 1: against It was me, him, Everson Griffin and like a
Speaker 1: center that ended up going to USC or something like
Speaker 1: that. That was like going up for Arizona Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: clearly the Arizona Boys. So you know, like you gotta
Speaker 1: you have like these small stories that keep you intrigued
Speaker 1: and in trance, you know best. My best friend was
Speaker 1: from that draft class, mark Ingram picked twenty eight. I
Speaker 1: was doing my interviews and by the time I was
Speaker 1: doing my interviews in New York, you know, my guy
Speaker 1: mark Ingram gets drafted and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, say, what did you guys know each other?
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Met in the elevator, just said,
Speaker 1: what's up. You know i'd heard you know, clearly I
Speaker 1: heard of him. I don't know if he had heard
Speaker 1: of me. But like, you know, Heisman Trump, Heisman Trophy winner.
Speaker 1: He was the first one to throw the double the
Speaker 1: imprinted gloves sticky gloves up with the Alabama like. He
Speaker 1: was the first one to like really put his school
Speaker 1: on his hands after you score a touchdown, iconic deuce
Speaker 1: is loose. Alabama, the first Alabama Heisman Trophy winner mark
Speaker 1: Ingram wouldn't be the last, but for sure the first
Speaker 1: helped bring, you know, the idea of Title Town back
Speaker 1: to Alabama. But it's like it's stories like that. You know,
Speaker 1: Prince of Mukamara, We're on the plane ride over from
Speaker 1: Arizona to New York and his father was like, my son, Prince,
Speaker 1: first round pick, top ten, top ten, and you know,
Speaker 1: my dad was like, oh yeah, no doubt, and he
Speaker 1: was just like you could feel the pride there.
Speaker 2: You know, you want to get your thoughts on. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of buzz around Rodney Harrison's comments on
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson after the game against the Chiefs, and he
Speaker 2: called him garbage. And if you watch the interview with
Speaker 2: Chris Jones he talked to after the game, it sounded
Speaker 2: like he was trying to bait him to agree with
Speaker 2: the fact that he doesn't think Rodney Harrison, that is,
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson is a good NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: So just, I mean, garbage is a very hot take.
Speaker 1: And that's a strong stance to take as an NFL player,
Speaker 1: to a former NFL player, to a NFL player of
Speaker 1: this day and age right now, granted, Rodney Harrison, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why you have to respect what he says
Speaker 1: because he had over thirty interceptions, right, probably twenty thirty sacks.
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison wasn't all pro So if he says what
Speaker 1: he sees or try to bait you into something, I'd
Speaker 1: ask for more explanation. But that being said, man like
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson has the arm clearly. You know, you guys
Speaker 1: go to combine show off their talents. Zack Wilson was
Speaker 1: one of those. You know, everybody remembers the little rollout
Speaker 1: bomb that he threw, and you saw Malik Willson, Malik
Speaker 1: Willis do the same thing and whatever that is. But
Speaker 1: trash is too strong of a word, especially for a
Speaker 1: young quarterback like he's. He could be seven eight years
Speaker 1: in and he could still be growing. Like, quarterbacks don't
Speaker 1: really hit their prime until what like you're like where
Speaker 1: they get like really accurate, really good, really when you
Speaker 1: get the chunk of their career is like that year
Speaker 1: eight to thirteen for a quarterback. So I just I
Speaker 1: just feel like that's that's harsh. There's definitely quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: have more room to improve, and there's quarterbacks that are
Speaker 1: not as good as Zack Wilson. But when you see
Speaker 1: you know, when you see commentators drop hot takes, there's
Speaker 1: a reason you know it takes her drop this clickbait.
Speaker 1: We can continue talking about speculation accusations if you will
Speaker 1: all day about he said, he said, she said, we said.
Speaker 1: All I know is the Saints need to get these wins.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Anyway they come and they come in bunches, so I
Speaker 1: need them to group together. We're gonna continue to talk
Speaker 1: about edge rushers and maybe favorite pass rush moves, but
Speaker 1: one of my favorite pass rushers is coming up next.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. I'm sitting here as it off the edge
Speaker 1: with Cam Joy because I'm a defensive end off the edge.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: more than just me, well bringing my guy Max Crosby.
Speaker 1: Were talking about dog underrated still somehow pressure King. I
Speaker 1: met him. This was rookie year Max Crosby after the
Speaker 1: season at an NFL Honors show. Sitting next to him.
Speaker 1: Really got to talk to my guy and he became
Speaker 1: my dog. We sort of have similar agents. We have
Speaker 1: agents on the same team. It's like we're on the
Speaker 1: same side. We wrote the amount of defensive end talks.
Speaker 1: We have just the respect I have for a guy
Speaker 1: like you, Max. It speaks volumes. I mean you're at
Speaker 1: forty sacks. Forty sacks change been in the league for
Speaker 1: a few years. But that being said, Bro, you've been here.
Speaker 1: Like they said, the NFL is not for a long time,
Speaker 1: but a good time. Bro, you have made the most
Speaker 1: out of these five years. Bro, have been going crazy,
Speaker 1: not only from stat wise but all pro Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: player leader on the on the Raiders, they call you
Speaker 1: Mad Max, not just your rapper name. You're off the
Speaker 1: edge defensive line persona.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for tapping in with me.
Speaker 3: Bro, No, I appreciate you, Bro. And you know the
Speaker 3: love goes both ways. You've been an OG for me
Speaker 3: since day one. So, like you said, we got a
Speaker 3: ton of connections, all the same people in the same circle.
Speaker 3: We know all the same people from Vaughn you know,
Speaker 3: working at his camps and on and on and on
Speaker 3: and on. So I appreciate you, Bro, and in your career.
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't say this about many people,
Speaker 3: but like there's a lot of guys you know from
Speaker 3: like you and Vn. Y'all set the you know the
Speaker 3: platform and the blueprint for how to do it, and uh,
Speaker 3: you give me a ton of inspirations.
Speaker 4: So just being here as an honor bro, So I
Speaker 4: appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Perfect, Bro. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: I just want to like, I'm gonna open it up
Speaker 1: because I talk about it a lot, this idea that
Speaker 1: there's defensive ends and there's edge rushers. And you just
Speaker 1: brought up me and Vaughn same draft class twenty eleven
Speaker 1: Von edge rusher, me defensive end. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: where are you sitting this convo? Because they they plugged
Speaker 1: all of us together now outside linebacker quote nquote, your jacks,
Speaker 1: your wills are sometimes now edge rushers, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't do what I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I feel that, you know, honestly, like you said,
Speaker 3: like they try to just like put everybody into that
Speaker 3: edge category.
Speaker 4: But I think you're right.
Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the day, the edge
Speaker 3: position is it comes to so many different way you know,
Speaker 3: shapes and sizes.
Speaker 4: So that's what I think is the most special position because.
Speaker 3: You could have a guy who's five ten, two sixty
Speaker 3: and can rush the hell out of the pass or
Speaker 3: in seid and edge. But then you could have a
Speaker 3: six six dude that's you know, Tom lanky that can
Speaker 3: still get the job done, but in a different way.
Speaker 3: So you know, for me, I don't you know, I
Speaker 3: don't like to put anybody in the box, you know,
Speaker 3: for me, like I said, like, I want to be
Speaker 3: the best all around defensive end from pass rushers, stop
Speaker 3: in the run. I play, you know how, I'm like you,
Speaker 3: I play every freaking snap like That's how I how
Speaker 3: I carry myself. So like, I don't want to be
Speaker 3: just known as a pass rusher or just a run
Speaker 3: stopping guy.
Speaker 4: Like I want to be the best overall. So that's
Speaker 4: you know, that's how I look at it.
Speaker 1: Got to be the best overall.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like, but I'm here to like, don't get a twist,
Speaker 1: I'm here to play this run first.
Speaker 4: Yeah one hundred. Bro.
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you prefer to four eye, which is
Speaker 1: you know, that inside shade of a tackle or do
Speaker 1: you prefer that five which the outside, saye the tackle
Speaker 1: or even in nine?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I'll leave the you know, I'll leave
Speaker 4: the four eye to you.
Speaker 3: But for me, you know, I'm playing, I like playing
Speaker 3: in a five or six or seven nine technique.
Speaker 4: You know that's me.
Speaker 3: I like being on the edge at all times, no question.
Speaker 3: You know you got you're weighing like too eighty.
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm like two sixty. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't need to be but I'll do it. You
Speaker 3: know I've done it right. I prefer to be on
Speaker 3: the edge at a.
Speaker 1: High level push on. We all have our preferences. Me,
Speaker 1: I mean, I really want to be a six syde,
Speaker 1: Like if I could line up inside of a tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really putting hands on a tight end.
Speaker 1: Like that's when I'm like, I'm trying to choke somebody out,
Speaker 1: like and I get that rage and me I'm like,
Speaker 1: yeah him, I gotta get him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh bro, I played the four I too, Like it's
Speaker 1: it is what it is. This is a different mindset, bro.
Speaker 1: When you think about first second down, then I think
Speaker 1: about third down. Like that's where like that's how I
Speaker 1: attack the lines, right, I'm not thinking like, hey, pass play,
Speaker 1: pass play unless unless like office line is given hints
Speaker 1: or you know, like a formation like four outs is
Speaker 1: is typically a pass play. Like I'm thinking like all right,
Speaker 1: back off set he coming my way, and I like,
Speaker 1: I got that smile on you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, yo, they come in my way.
Speaker 1: Let's do this stutter punch with what it is. Let's
Speaker 1: rite when you think about what it takes to be
Speaker 1: a defensive end. Have you ever thought about, like the
Speaker 1: characteristics what it takes. Not just it's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: gotta be long, you gotta be tall, because you've seen
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry Hughes do it. You've seen Nick Perry do it,
Speaker 1: You've seen Tevon Thibodeau, whatever it is. What do you
Speaker 1: think is the characteristics of a good defensive end?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I think you know the characteristics you got to have,
Speaker 3: like you talked about, is having that dog mentality. I
Speaker 3: think that's what separates, you know, the good players and
Speaker 3: the great players. And like you said, you can go
Speaker 3: to an NFL combine, guys can run a four to
Speaker 3: four look like the biggest Leonitas on the planet.
Speaker 4: But once you put pads on, you're like, like, what
Speaker 4: the heck is this?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: I like, yeah, you can't bro like yeah, but like
Speaker 4: you see it all the time.
Speaker 1: Like Tarzan, but he played like Jane, Like, that's a
Speaker 1: real that's a real sentience because you be like, bro,
Speaker 1: he looked, he looked like he major and get.
Speaker 4: It there be mad.
Speaker 1: He'd be like that don't make no sense.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. But that's what you know when
Speaker 3: you talk about mentality. They got to have that dog
Speaker 3: in him, Like that's something you can't determine by looking
Speaker 3: at somebody at a combine Like that really comes from
Speaker 3: watching the film on Somebody. Feel like that's the most
Speaker 3: important thing. You got to watch film and see who's
Speaker 3: willing to put their nose in it, you know, and
Speaker 3: freaking go ahead, you know it's bull rush, have all
Speaker 3: the mixture of combinations, but be relentless at the same
Speaker 3: time chasing the ball, flying to the ball. I think
Speaker 3: the things that require no talent or the most important
Speaker 3: thing to play that position the other shit on top
Speaker 3: of it. Obviously, we're all NFL players, so you got
Speaker 3: to have the ability to rush and bend and do
Speaker 3: all those things. But I think the most important thing
Speaker 3: is just having that relentless you know, I'm not gonna stop.
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna outplay, you know, outwork me during the game.
Speaker 3: I think that's what you know, separates you know, the
Speaker 3: great players from the good ones.
Speaker 1: Man facts. Do you think sometimes like the way I
Speaker 1: talk crap on like y'all you know I talk crap
Speaker 1: the way you talk crap on the field, the passion,
Speaker 1: the love that we have for the game. Like it
Speaker 1: feels like when we win, like that's how you're supposed
Speaker 1: to play the game. But when we lose, like that's
Speaker 1: when you feel like media sort of like the attack
Speaker 1: you like, oh you have to be that, Like what
Speaker 1: do you mean, Like this is who I am as
Speaker 1: a monster bro? Like, do you feel like sometimes your
Speaker 1: passion as a competitor gets misconstrued by other people? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let that affect you.
Speaker 4: No, I don't let it affect me. I'm always gonna
Speaker 4: be me. You know.
Speaker 3: I definitely take some you know, I feel like more
Speaker 3: recently in the past year, I've taken a lot of
Speaker 3: heat just from like you know, they released the quarterback
Speaker 3: thing where they see me like going after my homes
Speaker 3: and talking messing with them and like everyone's like, oh my.
Speaker 4: God, he's an apple, he's a jerk.
Speaker 3: And then they see me like they released a micd
Speaker 3: up and I was like, I took our tight end
Speaker 3: like twenty yards off the ball and just body slammed
Speaker 3: them just to set the tone, and like they're like this,
Speaker 3: dude's an apple, But like I love that because that's
Speaker 3: who I am. Like it's not they're just getting to
Speaker 3: see it now, but like that's why I am as
Speaker 3: a player. My mentality is like I don't care who's
Speaker 3: in front of me. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna try
Speaker 3: to get in their head and I'm gonna try to
Speaker 3: make them feel less than what they are. You know,
Speaker 3: they might be a good player, I want to make
Speaker 3: them feel average. So that's what I started to play
Speaker 3: to play basis. So if they don't like it, that's
Speaker 3: not my problem, right.
Speaker 1: Somebody brought that up to like what is Max like that?
Speaker 1: I was like Max, that dude. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he puts me like that, Like what do you What
Speaker 1: do you want me to do? You want me to
Speaker 1: be like the Andrew luck of a defensive end, Like
Speaker 1: it's just like, hey, i'll see you next time.
Speaker 3: Yeah I can't do that, bro, I'm gonna be one
Speaker 3: hundred percent me. If you don't like it, you don't
Speaker 3: like it. But the people that love me, they love
Speaker 3: me for that. So it's like that love me, you know,
Speaker 3: that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. You think we're all friends, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to Like the officer lineman I'm going against.
Speaker 1: I think he's that slow and I think he can't
Speaker 1: mess with me. That's the reason why I'm on the edge.
Speaker 1: And he's he's in his position that he's in. He's
Speaker 1: like he's a kid that grew up eating hell of
Speaker 1: candy and snacks a middle of the night, played Fortnite duty,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: You know, drinking a coke sitting there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, he says, and he says things like I'm athletic,
Speaker 1: are you? Because you're the only one telling yourself that
Speaker 1: you're athletic? You know, Like you're not supposed to be friends, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Like you know, when we talked
Speaker 1: to Vaughan this past year and Vonn was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I like to I like to get to
Speaker 1: know him, the officer the line, and I'll be going
Speaker 1: against a guy and I'll be like, hey, man, how's
Speaker 1: your day? Oh man, man, I saw you had kids.
Speaker 1: How's your kids? Man? I ain't never asked none of that.
Speaker 3: See for me, No, that's funny you say that, because
Speaker 3: like there's like majority of the time like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be on that with whoever it is, like just to
Speaker 3: get myself going, like there's some guy like I feel
Speaker 3: like it's different, you know when it comes to the
Speaker 3: old lineman, Like there's some old lineman, like even a
Speaker 3: Garret Bowles for instance, Like my first couple of years
Speaker 3: in the league, like me and him a match up
Speaker 3: twice a year, and like we were going like we
Speaker 3: were damn near fighting every play and we're talking and
Speaker 3: going at it, going at it.
Speaker 4: And then like by the end of my.
Speaker 3: Second year, we played each other for like the fourth time,
Speaker 3: and he started walking across the field like we were
Speaker 3: getting personal, like this was going there. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm ready to fight. I already know what it is
Speaker 3: about to be. And he walked up to me and
Speaker 3: I'm like this after the game, we're fighting right now.
Speaker 3: And he's like, Bro, I love you, Bro, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: just say that, like I respect the guy to you.
Speaker 3: He was like at the end of the day, he
Speaker 3: was like, you're you bring it more than anybody, Like
Speaker 3: he just had a lot of good shit to say.
Speaker 4: Bro, But like that's for me, that was a cool
Speaker 4: aast moment.
Speaker 3: So like every time I see him now like he
Speaker 3: did lays sees me, he's like, I love you, bro,
Speaker 3: and then it's what I mean, it's like.
Speaker 4: How did do something like? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So every you know, every situation is different, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it is what it is. But for me,
Speaker 3: like I'm always trying to find that edge, whether it's
Speaker 3: you know, talking or whatever I gotta do to get that.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that competitive that's what makes you like great.
Speaker 1: Like I don't, like I said, I don't want to
Speaker 1: like you. I don't want to I can like you
Speaker 1: outside the lines. In between these lines, you are an obstacle,
Speaker 1: your speed bump, your literally your job is literally to
Speaker 1: stop me from getting to where I'm trying to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you, if I'm trying to get out the gated community,
Speaker 1: guess I got to get out to get out of there,
Speaker 1: like the speed bump, and guess what that off my
Speaker 1: names that speedbump. So hey, man, break the thing now. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get in there, bro. But but that's
Speaker 1: what it sort of takes for me to get to
Speaker 1: the process. For you, you, bro, you worked all the
Speaker 1: way through. So the leadership that you have now the
Speaker 1: locker rooms in a good place between you guys like
Speaker 1: Davante Adams. Tell me that leadership process, especially for a
Speaker 1: guy like you know, Davante who had to come in
Speaker 1: and be cultivated to the to the raider style of
Speaker 1: play or bring his culture on to you. That leadership
Speaker 1: between you and him, because I see it on the field.
Speaker 1: I see he chirps, you chirp your defense, your office
Speaker 1: response when you guys like talking like that. Leadership qualities
Speaker 1: that you guys have to me, tell me a little
Speaker 1: bit about that in locker room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. You know, uh, you know, you nail
Speaker 4: the raid on the head.
Speaker 3: You know DeVante, he's you know, he's like, I think
Speaker 3: this is tenth year.
Speaker 4: You know, he's close to you.
Speaker 3: He's been in the league for a long time now,
Speaker 3: and he the dude is elite at what he does.
Speaker 3: And at the same time, he brings that energy no
Speaker 3: matter if his practice or game day, and he's always
Speaker 3: doing extra. So when you have a guy that's the first,
Speaker 3: you know, three years in a row, first Seamau pro
Speaker 3: and he's also one of your artist workers, like there's
Speaker 3: nothing you could say. So like, guys are going to
Speaker 3: naturally follow. And that's why I work the way I work,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I'm always I'm staying on
Speaker 3: guy's ass, especially the young guys. Like I make people
Speaker 3: uncomfortable sometimes and I try to push them out of
Speaker 3: their comfort zone. But like for me, you know, I've
Speaker 3: it's taking years to earn that right and like for
Speaker 3: not you know, Now, that's what leadership is all about.
Speaker 4: Is I want to bring the guys with me.
Speaker 3: I want them you know, they might not get up
Speaker 3: to my level right out the gate, but it's gonna
Speaker 3: take time. And if they can go from here to here,
Speaker 3: then I've done my job. And if I can bring
Speaker 3: all the guys with me, that's that's what I could do.
Speaker 3: So like that's how I push it, bro Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just want to make you know, everybody's different, you know.
Speaker 3: And I learned this from coach Marionelli too. He told me,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, what makes a coach great is, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, being able to adapt to all your different
Speaker 3: players because certain you know, every guy's different, Certain players
Speaker 3: tick a certain way. Some guys you know, need to
Speaker 3: get mother sometimes and that's how they get going. And
Speaker 3: some guys you got to be nice to them and
Speaker 3: then that's so it's like I try to learn and
Speaker 3: really know who my guys are as people, and we
Speaker 3: do d line dinners every week, Like they'll come to
Speaker 3: the house, I'll have chefs come and we'll you know,
Speaker 3: just kick it and like do stuff like that, so
Speaker 3: I can really learn who the person is. Because you
Speaker 3: can't go and mother somebody and you don't even know
Speaker 3: what their child's name is. Yeah, that's a problem, Like
Speaker 3: you I don't want to you know, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to listen to that. But if I have a real
Speaker 3: relationship with them, then you know you can.
Speaker 1: Then there's a reason, Like he's receptive because he's like, Bro,
Speaker 1: he cares about me as persons and he wants me
Speaker 1: to be the best version of meet.
Speaker 3: One hundred per bro. And that's that's how I lead.
Speaker 3: And our locker room's great.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: I love the guys and we have a lot of
Speaker 3: good people and a lot of hard workers. So yeah,
Speaker 3: we just got to you know, keep rolling and get
Speaker 3: this thing on board.
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it, clearly you've earned the love, respect,
Speaker 1: and accolades that You've gotten and earned it each and
Speaker 1: every step of the way. Bro, the way you play
Speaker 1: has been phenomenal. The way you get out the stacks
Speaker 1: and like, I'm like, yo, like you have to get
Speaker 1: out the stacks. I'm like, Bro, you think you could
Speaker 1: be all prob without getting out of the stacks? Broat you
Speaker 1: watch Max? He's mad Max on Sundays. He going crazy.
Speaker 1: You're chasing things down, You're running things down. And now
Speaker 1: we got your former quarterback Derek Carr. He talks so
Speaker 1: highly of you. He's like, Bro, you might be the
Speaker 1: only person that runs just as much as Mad as
Speaker 1: Max does after practices or whatever. It is, Like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I always see running, He's always running. I'm like absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude's a dog for a reason. He
Speaker 1: earns it. But that being said, Bro, it's also put
Speaker 1: you in the spot to what were you this year
Speaker 1: on ESPN seventeen?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Seven?
Speaker 1: Does that motivate you at all? Does that affect you
Speaker 1: at all? Like for me, I be like, bro, it's
Speaker 1: just another year. Like there's years when I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know I'm top twenty and been number ninety nine,
Speaker 1: And there's years that I've all right, like I'll probably
Speaker 1: talk that might be bottom fifty this year and been
Speaker 1: as high as like thirty something. It just depends. But
Speaker 1: does it affect you or motivate you?
Speaker 3: Honestly, it motivates me. Like for me, I don't like
Speaker 3: having anybody have anything like over me. If I you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, if I'm first im pressures and
Speaker 3: first and TFLs and like there's always going to be
Speaker 3: something that I'm trying to find that somebody has over me,
Speaker 3: and like that sit will bother me until I get
Speaker 3: back out there and try to get closer to that.
Speaker 3: So like I use things like that as motivation, you know,
Speaker 3: more than anything.
Speaker 4: And like that's just like how my mind works.
Speaker 3: I'm ultra competitive no matter what I'm doing, and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to be the number one player, Like I
Speaker 3: was ranked seventeenth, you know, by my peers as a
Speaker 3: player in the NFL. Like just thinking about that, you know,
Speaker 3: five years ago, if you'd have told me I'm in
Speaker 3: the top twenty like in the league and that's in.
Speaker 4: The world, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like now where
Speaker 3: I'm at, like there's always more And like I got
Speaker 3: that from Coach Marinelli, Like he texted me damn near
Speaker 3: every single day to this day.
Speaker 4: And he's retired seventy five years old.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell he's doing in his lab,
Speaker 3: but he's he always had it's more and improved.
Speaker 4: Like those are the two words he always is preaching
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 3: He's like, you, there's always more to do and there's
Speaker 3: always room for improvement, and like you have to find
Speaker 3: what that is every single day.
Speaker 4: So like for me, that's how my brain works.
Speaker 3: Like I could have a good game, i could have
Speaker 3: a bad game, but like I'm always going to find
Speaker 3: the things I got to get better at and apply
Speaker 3: that into my practice and preparation the next week.
Speaker 4: So that's what I feel like.
Speaker 3: The consistency part is like so big for me, and
Speaker 3: what's taking my game at the next level is like
Speaker 3: never getting content or too high or too low. It's like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna stay right here, even keeled, and
Speaker 3: just build off of it every single week. And that's
Speaker 3: how you put together a great season, is not you know,
Speaker 3: riding the roller coaster. You just gotta you know, let
Speaker 3: the certain things you know how you know how you tick?
Speaker 3: You know, I know how I tick. You know how
Speaker 3: you tick, So like, for me, I'm gonna find that
Speaker 3: and use it for a positive.
Speaker 1: That mentality has changed, bro, even in the last what
Speaker 1: five years ago you were rookie to now Bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was that like two or three years ago when
Speaker 1: you were like, Bro, like, I'm getting all these pressures,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, the sacks aren't where they supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it. You're like, Bro, Like like
Speaker 1: how do I was like, Bro, what do you? It
Speaker 1: all comes around, Bro, if you're getting pressures, that means
Speaker 1: you're getting closer as long as you as long as
Speaker 1: I don't even remember the whole conversation, I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: as long as you're hunting, Like eventually, if you keep
Speaker 1: stabbing at it, you're going to draw blood. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
Speaker 6: Like blood.
Speaker 1: You took off after that, Bro, But like, does that
Speaker 1: that competitive edge you have, that chippy wheel? Does that
Speaker 1: also come from not saying smaller school, but like you
Speaker 1: going in the you know, middle of the draft that
Speaker 1: that fourth round draft pick? Is that an extra added
Speaker 1: mentality from like I didn't come from nothing, but like
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't respect me the way they were
Speaker 1: supposed to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I always I've always felt like I've
Speaker 3: been slept on and I feel like I've always had
Speaker 3: to go above and beyond to like prove my worth.
Speaker 3: I know, it's a part of my journey, you know,
Speaker 3: like being you know, I've been with the Raiders. You know,
Speaker 3: we've had you know, three out of four years they
Speaker 3: have made the playoffs, and it's been a struggle. Like
Speaker 3: I was a fourth round pick, I had one offer
Speaker 3: coming out of high school. Like I've always had to
Speaker 3: go above and beyond and do what I do. But
Speaker 3: it's like that's what makes me who I am, and
Speaker 3: like I love it. I wouldn't change it for anything,
Speaker 3: And like it is hard because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't always have the greatest, you know deck of cards.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, that's what makes
Speaker 3: me who I am because I've always found a way,
Speaker 3: Like I've never I never quit, Like no matter if
Speaker 3: I start something, I'm gonna finish it. And that's how
Speaker 3: I approach every single day. So like I love when
Speaker 3: people doubt me. I love and they tell me, oh
Speaker 3: he's not. Like even last year, like I thought I
Speaker 3: should have been an all pro like that's I thought about
Speaker 3: that all year and like you know when he played
Speaker 3: Lineman and like you have a good game and they'll
Speaker 3: come out and be like, oh we got locked up,
Speaker 3: he didn't get a sack, blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and then they'll show two clips and you're getting blocked
Speaker 3: and like you kill them the rest of the time. Like, Bro,
Speaker 3: that sits in my mind, Like I don't want anybody
Speaker 3: to have anything over So like that's what it is
Speaker 3: for me. Bro, It's every single day, Like I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm just competitive shit, Like it doesn't matter if I'm
Speaker 3: playing two K if I'm hanging in the back talking
Speaker 3: with the guys, like it doesn't matter. I don't want
Speaker 3: anybody to have anything over me. And like that's that's
Speaker 3: what pushes me every single day.
Speaker 1: That's that's that one when you go gets Officer Lineman
Speaker 1: and you've beating him outside inside, through and you're coming
Speaker 1: right there at the quarterback. Bro, Like I'm like there
Speaker 1: was there was times this last two games I'm just
Speaker 1: like literally filling the lace on the ball and being
Speaker 1: launched and I'm like, oh, they techle played good against you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're like you're like, bro, like it was me, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't get there, but you know that's on me,
Speaker 1: it's not him. He didn't stop me either way. It
Speaker 1: was a quick release whatever it was. Like, But do
Speaker 1: you think some of that is like instinct verse technique?
Speaker 1: Like yo, like you when you're looking at your film
Speaker 1: for your spin move in that quarterback stepping up and
Speaker 1: you have a hand on the shoulder and he slips
Speaker 1: out of there. I know you've talked about stretching, flexibility,
Speaker 1: grip strength, Like what what do you think it is
Speaker 1: to finish in those plays?
Speaker 4: I think it's a combination.
Speaker 3: You know, you got to have, Like I think that's
Speaker 3: you know, differ between a pressure, like you can get pressures.
Speaker 3: You know they count hurries and you know present they're
Speaker 3: all combined. So like, yeah, if the ball's gone in
Speaker 3: two seconds and you're beating them in one and a half,
Speaker 3: like you can't do anything about that, but you're winning
Speaker 3: the rush, Like that's what it really comes down to.
Speaker 3: If you're winning a high percentage of rushes and you
Speaker 3: have natural football instincts and you're reading your keys, you're
Speaker 3: playing with pad level, you're working that you work in
Speaker 3: practice like guys that me and you, like Bro, we've
Speaker 3: been pro bowlers, Like we trust our moves and we
Speaker 3: think we know they're gonna work if we trust them
Speaker 3: and do them the right way, and our pad levels
Speaker 3: right and our eyes are right and our cell is right,
Speaker 3: like all that matters. So like for me going into
Speaker 3: the game, I'm trusting that process, like I'm gonna break
Speaker 3: down the film. I'm gonna see what I can do
Speaker 3: better from the week before, and like I'm gonna start
Speaker 3: looking at my opponent. How can I beat this guy?
Speaker 3: How can I dissect them? And like for me, it's
Speaker 3: not just like you know when you talk about like finishing,
Speaker 3: that's finishing. Just you know, every little detail matters. And
Speaker 3: like I talk about from practice to the weight room,
Speaker 3: like the grip strength thing, like I do grip after
Speaker 3: every workout now, like I've done it for years now,
Speaker 3: just because that extra grab and like.
Speaker 4: Wait, which which one?
Speaker 1: Which one do you do?
Speaker 4: Do you have?
Speaker 1: Do you have like the hand machines or do you
Speaker 1: Like I do my grip strength where like I hold
Speaker 1: I hold the forty five pound what is it, twenty
Speaker 1: two kilo weights and I do that for time or
Speaker 1: then like I started a couple of years ago. Our
Speaker 1: d line coach introduced like flipping these things. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: I'm like flipping and catching, Like on a Thursday, I'm
Speaker 1: like flipping catching these forty five pounds waights, just like
Speaker 1: in those weeks that you don't have you like, all right,
Speaker 1: all rights, because I do have my finger. Not an excuse,
Speaker 1: but like gotta go, just back to hole. What would
Speaker 1: be your favorite grip strength exercise? Would you say?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say my favorite, Like we do a
Speaker 3: ton ton of different ones, Like today we had like
Speaker 3: the fat grippers on, which are hard as hell, and
Speaker 3: you deal with kettlebells like you can't fully grip and
Speaker 3: you're just shaking.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this. What do you wait?
Speaker 4: Wait, explain I I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different, but I sat with what like thirty
Speaker 1: five forty pounds.
Speaker 3: No, you get like it's sixty I'll say sixty pound kettlebell.
Speaker 3: You do like you do like sessions, so you do
Speaker 3: like thirty seconds with it with it, and then twenty
Speaker 3: seconds with a heavier weight, and then you do like
Speaker 3: towel holes, so you wrap it around the kettlebell and
Speaker 3: you hold with a towel and it's heavy, Like, Bro,
Speaker 3: I gotta I got some for you. I'll say, take bro,
Speaker 3: my god, I'm wanting to learn. I like I'm telling
Speaker 3: you Rick Slate my guy in here in the train.
Speaker 3: He's one of my He's like the main guy works
Speaker 3: out with me. He's my puts me through every workout.
Speaker 3: That dude, you don't stop working out, Bro, he's an
Speaker 3: og Bro he's and he gets right you're.
Speaker 1: Going through prison workouts, ya workouts.
Speaker 4: He has me screaming, like cussing him out. I'm so mad.
Speaker 4: I hurts so bad, but it pays off in the end.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, bro, Like you surprised me? What
Speaker 1: was that this pass Pro Bowl? We were talking like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm working out here every day still, like like there
Speaker 1: is no shut down for me in the off season.
Speaker 1: Is there a shutdown period? When do you recoup the bod?
Speaker 1: Like for me, I have to like I gotta get
Speaker 1: away fam like I disappear for like a month, like
Speaker 1: work it out, no arn it like I gotta eat,
Speaker 1: love my family love me. We're not in football season.
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily like the greatest. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: the greatest dad, husband, brother, anything. I'm like, yo, it's Thursday.
Speaker 1: So Thursday through Sunday, I'm locking the hell in, Like
Speaker 1: I don't even like to do media by Wednesday is Friday, Like,
Speaker 1: don't ask me Saturday. I am so locked in. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I got things I have to do on Sunday. I'm
Speaker 1: not a person's Onday. I'm coming with bad intentions. When
Speaker 1: do you get away and become you know, like daddy
Speaker 1: Max got to love you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, honestly, bro Like, this was after my third year
Speaker 3: and fourth year, like or no, it was after my
Speaker 3: second year and third year. I would start after the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl That's when I would start training. And this year,
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't make the playoffs, and you know,
Speaker 3: I talked to my strength coach, I talked to my
Speaker 3: nutritions all this, and he was like, hey, we're going
Speaker 3: to start January thirtieth this year, and this is why
Speaker 3: we're going to ease, you know, ease into the process.
Speaker 4: Boom boom boom. He broke it down to me.
Speaker 3: You know, I have a team of people that all
Speaker 3: you know, collaborate and communicate here with the Raiders. So
Speaker 3: it was great and I started.
Speaker 1: Your own team of people, Hey I'm here.
Speaker 4: I'm here by myself. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: When you when you hear about yourself, you get everybody,
Speaker 3: you get all the resources. So yeah, you know we
Speaker 3: started January thirtieth, and so yeah, I took like two
Speaker 3: and a half weeks off and I was back rolling,
Speaker 3: but I was still meal prepping even after the season,
Speaker 3: and like, I always want to stay in shape. And
Speaker 3: no matter what I hate, there's nothing worse than going
Speaker 3: and put eating like sh for two weeks and you
Speaker 3: have to drop weight and then you're just wasting weeks
Speaker 3: of work. And you know time you can improved by
Speaker 3: trying to cut weight and then get back into shape.
Speaker 3: So like for me, I want to be in shape
Speaker 3: all year round. So like that's how that's how this
Speaker 3: for me is. Really it's really all year round.
Speaker 1: Man, I said, that's what it takes.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like if that's if that's what Joe vibe is, that's
Speaker 1: crazy work to me because I'm like, yo, I gotta
Speaker 1: get away, like I'm eating. I'm eating like that little
Speaker 1: fat here. Bro, Like I gotta eat eat well, We'll
Speaker 1: say well and come back.
Speaker 4: I'm like every weekends, I'm eating good in the off season.
Speaker 3: I will say that my Saturdays, I'm getting my cheap meal,
Speaker 3: I'm getting Chipotle for lunch. I'm gonna eat something for dinner.
Speaker 3: But like, besides that, you know that one day a.
Speaker 1: Week cheating, none of the off season, like a month, man,
Speaker 1: like you know you know this off seat I went to.
Speaker 1: I went to Spain for two and a half months. Oh,
Speaker 1: I start working out tonight, like last month and a half.
Speaker 1: That first month I was there. I needed all of it,
Speaker 1: you know, big beat, a harmon, the big big steaks.
Speaker 1: What I need all of it. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: run that twice. My kids are looking at me like
Speaker 1: Daddy's fluffy.
Speaker 4: Yeah he is, damn right.
Speaker 1: I worked hard to be fluffy. And then I'm gonnaet right.
Speaker 1: All right, three quick questions I get you out here, bro,
Speaker 1: I said, twenty five minutes. He gone over twenty five minutes. Yeah, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite cheap meal?
Speaker 4: Favorite cheat meal?
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what Chipotle gout? Come on, come on.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, that's just so easy for me
Speaker 4: to say it.
Speaker 3: But I would say this and like this is my prison,
Speaker 3: like if I was in prison, Like they're like, you
Speaker 3: have one meal left? I'm gotting Chicken Fried's teag with
Speaker 3: mashed potatoes, cream cord gravy, all that like straight murders, murders.
Speaker 1: Heya, favorite other edge rusher edge rusher to watch.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 1: That's what I say ta take take, take Jordans and
Speaker 1: you you're going t j Okay, yeah, okay, to a
Speaker 1: little what all right? And then now I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do this to you.
Speaker 4: Favorite teammate, favorite teammate I got.
Speaker 3: I love them all, but I'm gonna have to say.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Devanteta, my god, we're like save my brother.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, last last question. Favorite tattoo when you're done,
Speaker 1: favorite tattooing you got. When I first met you, you
Speaker 1: had a little bit. Now you've got.
Speaker 4: The I'm gonna say my daughter.
Speaker 3: I got my daughter right here, So yeah, it's holding
Speaker 3: down for Ella, no question.
Speaker 1: Absolutely appreciate you, Bro. You you you're a monster.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: You becoming a legend of the game, and like, keep
Speaker 1: on pushing, keep on pressing. I appreciate you tapping in
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 1: We'll text later, Bro, but I appreciate you for getting there.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you bro your legend.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting you brought up twice now the
Speaker 2: last two weeks, the difference between defensive ends and edge rushers.
Speaker 1: Because Jude's the edge guy can't put his hand on
Speaker 1: the ground like that.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the difference. If there's a.
Speaker 1: Grunt, that's what a defensive end is. If there's a sniper,
Speaker 1: that's what the outside linebacker is. They get the easier job,
Speaker 1: you know, Like if we talk about it, like even
Speaker 1: with Max, how we talked about a four I versus
Speaker 1: a six eye. If I'm a defensive end, I may
Speaker 1: be enclosed trapped between a guard and a tackle because
Speaker 1: I'm playing the inside of a tackle. I'm also gonna
Speaker 1: play the edge of this tackle, which means I could
Speaker 1: be enclosed by the tight end. An edge guy like
Speaker 1: a T. J. Watt, You're never gonna see him inside
Speaker 1: of a tackle unless it's a quot unquote pass rushing.
Speaker 1: He's just shooting the gap. You're gonna see him on
Speaker 1: the edge of a nine, which is outside the outside
Speaker 1: the tight end head up, and rarely inside of Now,
Speaker 1: if he is on the edge again, he could be
Speaker 1: that on the open side of a tackle, but he's
Speaker 1: not doing dirty work. He's a finesse player. He's gonna swim,
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot the gap, he's gonna do everything else.
Speaker 1: Me defensive ends, you got a hold that gap. You
Speaker 1: gotta set the edge through the through a b gap.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to reset the line of scrimmage. Edges
Speaker 1: they're fun, they're they're diamonds. You find a diamond, you
Speaker 1: have a diamond. Defensive ends or like pearls, you gotta dive.
Speaker 1: You may die trying to be a defensive end. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you gotta you gotta work for.
Speaker 1: We might in fact, might not even be a pearl,
Speaker 1: might be an abaloney. You gotta free dive. You got
Speaker 1: to dive in. Defensive ends are rare because you're if
Speaker 1: you're a defensive end, they cheat, try and shoot you
Speaker 1: as a dtackle And if you're you know, a d tackle,
Speaker 1: then you're not on the edge. Defensive ends are the
Speaker 1: defensive end more times than not. But now you have edge,
Speaker 1: an edge like an outside linebacker. He doesn't do what
Speaker 1: we do. They may drop more too, though, quote unquote
Speaker 1: zone drop drop off three. They have fun. I like
Speaker 1: playing I like playing outside linebacker. It's it's fun. You
Speaker 1: know how much energy you save not playing outside linebacker
Speaker 1: when you're a jack or a will like I have
Speaker 1: got so much more in You know how much more
Speaker 1: energy it takes to split a double team of a
Speaker 1: tackling a guard versus a tight end and a tight
Speaker 1: end four hundred pound difference there. Excuse what you say I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say, is that like the new way for
Speaker 3: like outside line barkers, because like Micah Parsons is up
Speaker 3: the trend.
Speaker 1: Now, No, because I mean before Micah, there is Shack
Speaker 1: Barrett before Shack like there's always going to be in
Speaker 1: an explosive edge Vaughn. Vaughn's the prototype of an edge
Speaker 1: because he's been doing it for thirteen years and hasn't
Speaker 1: lost a step. Typically, when when you see your edge
Speaker 1: guys lose a step, they're not the same anymore defensive
Speaker 1: ends they've always had that skill sets.
Speaker 2: TJ's more a d N.
Speaker 1: TJ is the epitome of an edge guy. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why the Steelers, Like Steelers have three sacks from
Speaker 1: TJ and then three hundred yards on the ground without
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward there like they ain't nobody ever been but
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it because your sexy stat is
Speaker 1: your sacks, your pressures. You know, that's the sexy stat,
Speaker 1: not a hold of no edge like they're shooting the gap,
Speaker 1: they're swimming underneath. They're not punishing an office alignment they have.
Speaker 1: We don't even have the same mentality.
Speaker 6: A lot of the defensive stats don't.
Speaker 1: No, it's just yeah, I mean it's our our lane
Speaker 1: is is collude, is colluded. It's tainted if you shall
Speaker 1: like you know, because it used to be your all
Speaker 1: pro defensive ends and then it became you know, that
Speaker 1: was doing defensive ends of defensive tackles. Fight like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm a D tackle, but I move out to the five.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make me a detackle. I'm really or it
Speaker 1: doesn't make me d I'm just a D tackle. And
Speaker 1: then somewhere in there, it's like the outside linebackers became
Speaker 1: edge rushers.
Speaker 2: So like, uh, DeMarcus where yeah he was a linebacker,
Speaker 2: but he was he was he was a rushing linebacker, correct,
Speaker 2: So how does he how does somebody like that quantify.
Speaker 1: When more times than not he's got his hand in
Speaker 1: the ground, but he's got his hand in the ground
Speaker 1: older him bro now younger him outside linebacker, older him,
Speaker 1: more of a defensive end. You know, think about it,
Speaker 1: Think about it. I'm entering my annoying face. I'm about
Speaker 1: to get I'm about to get tired. All right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up. Thank you for tuning in Off
Speaker 1: the Edge with Cam Jordan go Ham, Cam, Cam Jay
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Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 7: I'm tired.
Speaker 2: I gotta go try to win.
Speaker 7: We're gone.
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