WEBVTT - A visit from Maxx Crosby, Bouncing Back, and Breaking Down the Trenches 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome back on in to Off the Edge with me, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.639 Cam Jordan, your host. I'mnna be sitting here talking about 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.280 what happened the week four, whether that be our loss 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:17.360 to the Buccaneers, the Khalil Mack six sack performance, jumping 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.400 to the tops of the leaderboard of NFL sack leaders 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.400 from zero to six all in one game in four quarters. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.640 He was going, he was going off this weekend, We're 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.400 also gonna, you know, sit down with one of my 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.920 other edge guys, my rushers, my compatriot rushers, if you will, 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.800 Max Crosby, and we're just gonna slide in and see 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.800 how he feels about edge rushers, that term, that terminology 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.360 ed rusher, What is it? Is there a difference between 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:47.040 defensive ends and outside linebackers edge rusher encopassing both. So 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.080 come on in off the Edge with Cam Jordan. So 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.560 let's just start off and rip this band aid off. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.480 The Saints are officially two and two. Started off hot, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.960 two wins in and then you know you lose a close, 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.959 tight one two Green Bay and you should lose those 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.880 type of games. And even all that went wrong, Derek 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.640 Carr getting hurt, us not putting any points up in 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.200 the second half, US allowing points to be put up 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.880 in the second half on defensive side, it hurts. Even 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.679 with all that, there was still a chance to drive 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.760 down the field behind the helm of Jameis Winston. Put 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.600 yourself in field goal range. One field goal. We could 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.280 have been sitting three and one, that's not the case, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.959 or three and zero headed into this week, you know, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.760 So then we go Tampa Bay, comes down to New 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.759 Orleans and just lay an egg. I mean, three good 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.360 quarters are played. You talk about our defense, what we 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.600 wanted to do. Put pressure on Bacon Mayfield. I think 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.520 Bacon Mayfield made a lot of great plays, was able 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.399 to slip out the pocket, to elude the pocket, carry 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.880 some first first downs. I think that. You know, there 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:51.920 was times where he was pressured, arms in his face, 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.720 hands in his face, his body was thrown to the ground. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.000 He still made plays, still made throws. The guys like 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.840 Mike Evans and Chris Godwin the like. There was times 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.840 where you know, rookie the running back White look good 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.200 and yet you'd still say he was averaging three under 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.519 three and a half yards a carry. I call it 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.840 a clip if you will. At the end of the day, 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.920 it just wasn't good enough. So we've got to rapidly improve. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.760 We have to turn that page on off day on Tuesday, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.520 break down that film for the incoming New England Patriots. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.200 Don't know who's going to be the quarterback. It could 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.400 be Zap, it could be you know, they can go 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.760 back to mac Jones. We got a lot of things 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:31.000 we want to do. We got a lot of talent. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.520 We had Alva Kamara come back this last week looking special. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.440 The way he's able to go between those tackles, bounce out, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.960 bounce in. It's special to watch when you have guys 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.440 like Mike Thomas and the snags he had this game. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.640 You see Rashid Shaheed and the speed that he brings. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.760 He's electric. And then of course, you know you can't 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.240 not talk about you know, our dbs who have stepped up, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.239 had an interception in the end zone when we need 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.920 it the most. So it's got to be it's got 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.359 to be a whole team effort, which brings us to 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:03.960 you know what we saw around the league where you 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.480 have guys like the Seattle Seahawks eleven sacks, even standout 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:09.920 performances Khalil Mack. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.720 O'Connell looking in the middle of the field, hit and 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.560 he is dropped, sacked. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.639 Who do you think? It was? Unbelievable? 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.520 The sixth sack for Khalil Mack, a new Chargers record, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.560 a loss of ten, a new individual record for Khalil 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:29.760 Mack in a single game. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.600 Yep, maybe zero sacks going into the game, but it 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.280 takes one game to hit the leaderboard. As Khalil Mack 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.160 could show you zero to six. Real quick man had 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.720 six sacks in one game, left side, right side, in tier, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.600 exterior pass rush, extraordinary speed, rush, bullrush, power, whatever you 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.360 want to call it. He had it all. He was 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:53.320 in his bag. A shout out salute to Khalil Mack 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.520 doing what you do. There's a reason why you know, 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:58.960 you're always in conversations of being one of the top 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.480 defensive players. The games like this, then they can't when olfs, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.200 the line can't track you, when even when they get 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.840 ahold of you, they can't really get ahold of you. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.760 Chargers had six sacks in one game, all of them. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:10.600 Clil Mack. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.240 You mentioned the Giants game. Eleven sacks. Is that the 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.400 defense being is that the Seahawks defense being that good 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.359 or the Giants offensive line that bad. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:29.000 There's another line, no one soon and Daniel Jones, I mean, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.240 if I don't know what else, as you said, he's 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.719 not allowed to do anything back there because he just 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.159 has absolutely no time. Come on, you talk about you 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.520 talk about Seattle defense as a whole. What two interceptions, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:45.400 eleven sacks. There wasn't much that the Giants could do 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.559 to stop the defense. I feel like maybe I'm biased 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.920 as a defensive guy. I could care less who's at 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.800 helm when things are clicking at all cylinders, when you 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.200 have pour down linemen that are just getting sacks, when 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.159 you have linebackers adding in on sacks, when you have 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.680 your blitz adding in on sacks, when you have you know, 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.600 guys jumping routes, taking taking first and second reads away, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.599 You're not leaving much space to breathe for a quarterback 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.480 when the defense is rolling. Pick your poison is what 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:16.840 Seattle pretty much gave the Giants, and uh that poison 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.280 was drank. I mean, it just is what it is. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.240 So one of the other thing that happened in that 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:27.320 game happened over the weekend. The Giants, the Chargers, the Patriots, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.359 they all tried the now the infamous Eagles Toush push 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.719 all failed, all three of them. So clearly it's not 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.400 just right. It's not just it's not as easy to do. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.200 It's it doesn't seem like if they're failing and the 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.200 Eagles are the only ones able to do it consistently, 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:42.640 what does that tell you. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.040 It's Jalen Hurts. It's the Jalen Hurts effect. I think 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.080 that the Eagles tried the Toush push last year against 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.400 the New Orleans Saints and it didn't work. With Gardner Minshew. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.800 You know, Jalen Hurts is is uh from what I 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.000 from I've been told and what I've heard is not 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:59.960 only a great guy, but he's he's a gym rat. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.599 He's a musclehead. You know, he's one of those. Uh 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.920 he's one. But yeah, power lifting four five, six hundred 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.479 pounds squadters whatever that is. And to clear there's some 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.400 drive there. Because you take Jaalen Hurts out of there, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.440 you insert Gardnermentshew, You're not getting the same push, You're 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.640 getting the same to You're getting the same push, push, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:18.840 but not the same result. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:20.480 He's not as powerful. 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.440 Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say. You know, an assisted quarterback sneak. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.640 Okay, But but if you're when you're going up against that, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.920 what's what's how do you beat it? What's the what's 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:31.640 the plan. 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.080 Your guys up front? It's always gonna come down to 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.080 the defensive line, right, I mean if the defensive line, 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.359 the interior can interrupt one. You know that that center 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.560 trying to lean forward, the quarterback driving, You're gonna have 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.480 that as well, But it's gonna be that It's gonna 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.360 be those nose tackles that detackle, hopefully in a five 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.919 D line front because you've you've already signaled in you know, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.560 you know exactly what play that there they're about to run. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.760 You've got you know, a three zero three which is 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.000 a a nose tackle or dtackle in a three which 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.080 is the outside shoulder of the guard or hopefully a 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.599 two I inside shoulder of the guard now taking up 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.760 that a gap. Then you got a nose right next 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.000 to him. And then you got another formidal nose or 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.320 de tackle right next to him again this three zero 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.200 three or two eyes zero two I inside shades of 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.880 the guard and head up on the center. You create 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.160 that wall. And as long as that wall is you 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.320 know it is not moving and or pushing backwards. You 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.000 then have your rally points, just like a quarterback assisted 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.120 sneak Toush push. I don't like this Toush push reference, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.680 but this assisted quarterback sneak it has you know, two helpers. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.320 You have linebackers flying in as well, so there's there's 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.680 there's helpers versus helpers. So then it just becomes a 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.360 game of horsepower who has more. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.280 So it's not just lower low man wins. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.480 It's gonna be low man wins, but also comes down 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.960 to you know, will GrITT and a little bit of luck. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.120 I thought you were going to say it was it's 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.600 the Jason Kelsey effect. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.280 Jason kel You think Jason Kelsey is moving people like that? 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:09.400 Jason Kelsey is. His prowess is amazing, his power is decent, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.320 but he's not that nobody's ever been, like, Wow, that's 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.480 a monster of a man. You know, Jason Kelsey is smart, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.160 he's aggressive at the point of a contact that he's 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.440 a surefire veteran. And I'm just going to say probably 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.520 a Hall of Famer maybe because he's draft class of 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:28.360 twenty eleven. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.680 Yeah, makes sense. It's a couple of Hall of famers 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.000 in that draft class. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.640 Just a few, just a few, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.959 if you if you look at the draft class of 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.680 twenty eleven, which could probably be a whole nother argument itself, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:45.000 you figure the number one draft pick overall probably has 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.840 a shot at the Hall of Fame. Cam Newton, right, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.040 has a shot. Don't know if he gets in, but 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.800 let's just go von Miller getting in. You know. The 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.280 next one you're probably going to put in is possibly 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.000 Patrick Peterson. You're you know, like that's another possible. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:02.600 What about Julio Jones. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:08.880 Julio Jones is definitely in. JJ Watt, probably in you know, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:10.160 one hundred in. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.439 Over one hundred and ten Sacks, Cam Jordan, maybe. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:19.560 Ah, Cam Jeorge TVD. You know you high chance that 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.920 there there's five or six Hall of Famers. I mean, 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.079 if it's up to me, sure, I'd say I'm in, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.880 But you know, you group you group myself into that. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.920 That idea of edge rusher Cam Hayward possibly gets in, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.199 you know, like he's part of Steelers. Yeah, he's part 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.240 of the Steelers defense. So your figure he's going to 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:40.679 get in, you know, like once you've been a part 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.959 of Steelers defense, ten years. They just like look at 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.120 your stats and say you're probably getting here, like whether 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.840 they were one hundred sacks deep or fifty sacks deep. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.760 You're part of the quote unquote vaunted Steelers history line. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.280 You're probably got a good edge. For some reason, Steelers 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.200 get in. It's the culture, right, It's no doubt the 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.280 history is the eleven you what do you have? Five 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:01.680 or six? 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.840 Seven? About five? That's just the first round? Five? 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:09.480 Aj Green? You know, yeah, justin Houston, Richard Sherman. You've 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.560 got guys in there, Jason Kelcey again, m come on. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.679 I mean typically with when guys, yeah, I mean when 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.840 guys talk about their draft class, right, you'd be like, oh, 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.440 the you know Aaron Donald, like was that twenty fourteen 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.439 and they're like, oh, his draft class are so deep 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.560 or twenty eleven. Oh, you know, they're amazing. They're typically 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.079 speaking about the first rounders, right, right, and then a 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.920 draft class you're like, you're not You're not just like, oh, yeah, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.679 because our third rounder here was good. Like they're they're additives. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.240 Like in terms of an ice cream Sunday, a draft 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.920 class is judged by, you know, the first rounder is 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:46.560 the ice cream and then the second rounders cherries, then 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:51.040 the third rounders sprinkles, then everything else some random sauce. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.040 But your draft class is pretty much judged by your 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:54.600 first round. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:59.360 I agree. I mean that's a pretty strong class, like 0:10:59.480 --> 0:10:59.960 up and down. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.880 It's a lot of death, no doubt, no doubt, a 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:03.440 lot of a lot of depth, a lot of a 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:04.839 lot of a lot of good thing. You know, a 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.920 lot of conversations, which which is crazy, is you know 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.160 normally a draft class, Yeah, you have your first round 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.520 is but you're like judge for sure by your quarterbacks, right, 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.640 You're like, oh, they draft class had so many excellent quarterbacks, 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.480 whereas our quarterbacks sort of were like not the highlight 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:23.480 beyond Cam Newton. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.040 Yeah, there were four that one in the first round 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:26.840 that year. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.120 And some would say I'm a little biased in that 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.240 too because they like messed up a little of my 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.280 top fifteenage in me, I went twenty fourth overall. Not 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.760 betty or bitter about it, you know, but like there 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.800 was a Christian Ponder, then there was a Blaine Gabbard yep. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.920 And you know Jake Locker was the other one, Jake 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:48.800 Locker ten. Do you remember who went right before you? 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:53.120 No, twenty three phil No, it was it was It 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.839 was a Canadian that went to Philadelphia. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:57.640 Give your hand. He played guard. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:04.240 Yeah, any Danny Watkins from d Yeah, it was a 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:09.880 Canadian fired men from Baylor, and I specifically remember him 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.320 because I was You know that twenty eleven was a 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:18.320 different year, was a lockout year ish in terms of guys. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.400 The previous year, you know, first rounders were getting all 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.360 their money. You know, that was the was that Matt 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.720 Staffords last year. That was in dominicate, sue. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.040 That was Jerald McCoy, the outrageous bonus man. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.960 Of the amazing bonuses that guys earned and deserved by 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.560 playing excellent in college, which we thought we were getting 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.760 that in twenty eleven. You know, the previous twenty fourth 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.800 overall pick, Dez Bryant, his contract was like fifteen and 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.839 changed right Cam Jordan's contract at twenty fourth overall seven 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:53.480 and mid seven seven. Some would say half as his 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.679 face saying aye a year later, No, you're not bitter 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.080 about that. No, it's cool, Like it's it's fine. It's like, oh, 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:06.280 I buy my mom a house, next contract, not this one, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:07.680 not this one. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.520 You know, just you're gonna pay loans at the first one, right. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.280 Yeah, that twenty eleven. You know, God is good because 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.080 I was blessed enough to to, you know, go to 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.680 the University of California at Berkeley, and you know, see 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.599 my teammate Tyson o'lulu go tenth overall to Jacksonville the 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.280 year before, and I was like, man, I feel like 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.120 I'm just as good as him. Like I feel like 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.520 I we have comparable stats, Like we're comparable ish, like 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.360 he's probably more of an inside interior guy and I'm 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.720 just like an edge guy and got to the league 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.560 and they tried to make me interior guy. So I 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:42.920 was more like Tyson than I thought. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.280 You were the sixth defensive end taken in the first round. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.040 That makes perfect sense. I mean, come on, there was 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.640 just quote unquote edge or d Lineman. I mean, there 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:59.640 was Von Miller right goat status. There was Alden Smith 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.160 fast to forty five sacks before Danielle Hunter, I believe 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.280 before TJ. Watt, so all in Smith to the Niners, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.240 which I was like, yo, col Bears, Niners, Cam Jordan. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.800 That makes sense. No, they were an all Smith not 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.880 a bad choice. You know, Jessic Smith was anchoring that 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.720 that that uh D line, that Smith from Missouri Massoo 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:26.160 combo was amazing. Then you had JJ Watt at eleven yep. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:26.840 You know. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.920 Then you had Ryan Kerrigan ninety five and a half 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.600 career sacks, ninety six and ninety six sacks and a 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.720 half bow ninety five and a half career sacks. Then 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.400 after after that, I was like, yo, it's definitely. I 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.600 was like, yo, it's time. I was. I was sort 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.360 of eyeing like after after TJ or after JJ went, 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.600 I was like, cowboys sound decent. Then they went Tyrone 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.160 Smith and I was like, no, no, that makes sense. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.440 Hall of Famer out of USC gone against Tyron Smith. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.640 Pretty much my whole coage career was like, no, he's 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.280 really good, that he deserves that. And then you talk 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.200 about after that, it was I was like, all right, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.240 here we go san Diego. We talked, we had some 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.800 inklings that San Diego is gonna be it. Oh, Corey 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.960 legit out of Illinois, and I was like, okay, all right, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.800 we're getting a little nervous. But you know what, I 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.440 had gone to Tampa Bay and I had felt really good. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.200 At twenty. I looked at my agent. My agent was 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.320 like yeah, bro, you crushed that. I went to Tampa 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.960 Bay talked to coach Raheem Moore and he was head 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.720 coach at the time, and I was like, yeah, he 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.600 vibed with me. I vibe with him. I was like, 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.600 they got Jared McCoy. I was like, they got a 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.160 stack d line. I was like, yo, Tampa Bay, let's 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.880 ride they they need a defensive vand And as you know, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.520 a twenty one year old in the green room in 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.000 New York, when you bring your family up for the 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.080 first round to get selected and your agent has told 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.960 you're supposed to go top fifteen, I was like twenty, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.280 I says lo as she goes. I was like, all right, fellas, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.360 Tampa Bay, it is not actually because they went Adrian 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:01.720 Clayborne out of the University of Iowa. Good player, good player. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:09.040 And then there was might have been Phil Taylor from Baylor, Wow, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.640 or Mohammad Wilkerson. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.800 No, you were right, Phil Taylor. Phil Taylor from Baylor, 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.480 another Baylor product. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.600 He was kind, silent and a dog in college. I wish, 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.720 you know, I wish we had a chance to team up. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.480 They brought him on for a workout one time. I 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.000 got to say what's up to my dog? And then 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.760 he was out of there, but uh, he was a 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.040 monster in college up and then Mohammed Wilkerson might have 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:33.880 been right after me. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:38.520 So nope, James Carpenter. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.200 That's the office of Lineman. I was thinking straight defensive lines. Yeah, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.680 defensive lineman. But yeah, there was There was James Carpenter, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.360 he was a guard at Alabama. Then Danny Watkins and 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.520 then yours truly, which means Mohammad Wilkerson was after me. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:55.720 But there was a lot of d Linman. Then there's 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.240 Cam Hayward right at the top of the top of 0:16:58.360 --> 0:16:59.440 like end of the first round. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:00.880 Yep, thirty one. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.360 Was he the last first round pick? Or no it 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.439 was it was Green Bay, Greenmay Packers, Mississippi State Office 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.479 of Lineman, Derek Shrod or something like that. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.919 Yep. So that's the thing, guys really remember, No, not 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:16.120 at all. That's a thing. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.880 No, that's not it's not a thing. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.399 Like do you guys have a wall, you have a 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:21.560 wall that you keep from James. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:23.439 No? 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.640 Uh, you know, because that picked like was the Giants 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.119 was like nineteenth or twenty first something like that. My 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.159 guy Prince of Mukamara nineteen Prince of Mukamarrat out of 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.399 Arizona with my year in high school. We were going 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.159 against It was me, him, Everson Griffin and like a 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.320 center that ended up going to USC or something like 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.320 that. That was like going up for Arizona Player of the Year, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.320 clearly the Arizona Boys. So you know, like you gotta 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.680 you have like these small stories that keep you intrigued 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.199 and in trance, you know best. My best friend was 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.520 from that draft class, mark Ingram picked twenty eight. I 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.000 was doing my interviews and by the time I was 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.359 doing my interviews in New York, you know, my guy 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.000 mark Ingram gets drafted and I. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.240 Was like, say, what did you guys know each other? 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.040 No, not at all. Met in the elevator, just said, 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.280 what's up. You know i'd heard you know, clearly I 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:13.840 heard of him. I don't know if he had heard 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.359 of me. But like, you know, Heisman Trump, Heisman Trophy winner. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.959 He was the first one to throw the double the 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:24.240 imprinted gloves sticky gloves up with the Alabama like. He 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.000 was the first one to like really put his school 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:30.600 on his hands after you score a touchdown, iconic deuce 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.720 is loose. Alabama, the first Alabama Heisman Trophy winner mark 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.959 Ingram wouldn't be the last, but for sure the first 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.200 helped bring, you know, the idea of Title Town back 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.679 to Alabama. But it's like it's stories like that. You know, 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.920 Prince of Mukamara, We're on the plane ride over from 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.080 Arizona to New York and his father was like, my son, Prince, 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.879 first round pick, top ten, top ten, and you know, 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.119 my dad was like, oh yeah, no doubt, and he 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:58.760 was just like you could feel the pride there. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.280 You know, you want to get your thoughts on. So 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.159 there's a lot of buzz around Rodney Harrison's comments on 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:11.439 Zach Wilson after the game against the Chiefs, and he 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.200 called him garbage. And if you watch the interview with 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.000 Chris Jones he talked to after the game, it sounded 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.080 like he was trying to bait him to agree with 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.560 the fact that he doesn't think Rodney Harrison, that is, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.240 Zach Wilson is a good NFL quarterback. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.120 So just, I mean, garbage is a very hot take. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.879 And that's a strong stance to take as an NFL player, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.080 to a former NFL player, to a NFL player of 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.840 this day and age right now, granted, Rodney Harrison, there's 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.160 a reason why you have to respect what he says 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:47.800 because he had over thirty interceptions, right, probably twenty thirty sacks. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:53.359 Rodney Harrison wasn't all pro So if he says what 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.640 he sees or try to bait you into something, I'd 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.520 ask for more explanation. But that being said, man like 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:07.280 Zach Wilson has the arm clearly. You know, you guys 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.000 go to combine show off their talents. Zack Wilson was 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.200 one of those. You know, everybody remembers the little rollout 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.800 bomb that he threw, and you saw Malik Willson, Malik 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.560 Willis do the same thing and whatever that is. But 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:24.760 trash is too strong of a word, especially for a 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.200 young quarterback like he's. He could be seven eight years 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.240 in and he could still be growing. Like, quarterbacks don't 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.960 really hit their prime until what like you're like where 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.040 they get like really accurate, really good, really when you 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.760 get the chunk of their career is like that year 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.199