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Speaker 1: Welcome back on in to Off the Edge with me,

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Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, your host. I'mnna be sitting here talking about

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Speaker 1: what happened the week four, whether that be our loss

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Speaker 1: to the Buccaneers, the Khalil Mack six sack performance, jumping

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Speaker 1: to the tops of the leaderboard of NFL sack leaders

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Speaker 1: from zero to six all in one game in four quarters.

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Speaker 1: He was going, he was going off this weekend, We're

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Speaker 1: also gonna, you know, sit down with one of my

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Speaker 1: other edge guys, my rushers, my compatriot rushers, if you will,

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby, and we're just gonna slide in and see

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Speaker 1: how he feels about edge rushers, that term, that terminology

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Speaker 1: ed rusher, What is it? Is there a difference between

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Speaker 1: defensive ends and outside linebackers edge rusher encopassing both. So

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Speaker 1: come on in off the Edge with Cam Jordan. So

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Speaker 1: let's just start off and rip this band aid off.

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Speaker 1: The Saints are officially two and two. Started off hot,

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Speaker 1: two wins in and then you know you lose a close,

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Speaker 1: tight one two Green Bay and you should lose those

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Speaker 1: type of games. And even all that went wrong, Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr getting hurt, us not putting any points up in

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Speaker 1: the second half, US allowing points to be put up

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Speaker 1: in the second half on defensive side, it hurts. Even

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Speaker 1: with all that, there was still a chance to drive

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Speaker 1: down the field behind the helm of Jameis Winston. Put

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Speaker 1: yourself in field goal range. One field goal. We could

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Speaker 1: have been sitting three and one, that's not the case,

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Speaker 1: or three and zero headed into this week, you know,

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Speaker 1: So then we go Tampa Bay, comes down to New

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Speaker 1: Orleans and just lay an egg. I mean, three good

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Speaker 1: quarters are played. You talk about our defense, what we

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Speaker 1: wanted to do. Put pressure on Bacon Mayfield. I think

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Speaker 1: Bacon Mayfield made a lot of great plays, was able

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Speaker 1: to slip out the pocket, to elude the pocket, carry

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Speaker 1: some first first downs. I think that. You know, there

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Speaker 1: was times where he was pressured, arms in his face,

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Speaker 1: hands in his face, his body was thrown to the ground.

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Speaker 1: He still made plays, still made throws. The guys like

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans and Chris Godwin the like. There was times

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Speaker 1: where you know, rookie the running back White look good

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Speaker 1: and yet you'd still say he was averaging three under

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Speaker 1: three and a half yards a carry. I call it

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Speaker 1: a clip if you will. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't good enough. So we've got to rapidly improve.

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Speaker 1: We have to turn that page on off day on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: break down that film for the incoming New England Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Don't know who's going to be the quarterback. It could

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Speaker 1: be Zap, it could be you know, they can go

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Speaker 1: back to mac Jones. We got a lot of things

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Speaker 1: we want to do. We got a lot of talent.

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Speaker 1: We had Alva Kamara come back this last week looking special.

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Speaker 1: The way he's able to go between those tackles, bounce out,

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Speaker 1: bounce in. It's special to watch when you have guys

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Speaker 1: like Mike Thomas and the snags he had this game.

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Speaker 1: You see Rashid Shaheed and the speed that he brings.

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Speaker 1: He's electric. And then of course, you know you can't

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Speaker 1: not talk about you know, our dbs who have stepped up,

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Speaker 1: had an interception in the end zone when we need

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Speaker 1: it the most. So it's got to be it's got

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Speaker 1: to be a whole team effort, which brings us to

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Speaker 1: you know what we saw around the league where you

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Speaker 1: have guys like the Seattle Seahawks eleven sacks, even standout

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Speaker 1: performances Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 2: O'Connell looking in the middle of the field, hit and

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Speaker 2: he is dropped, sacked.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think? It was? Unbelievable?

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Speaker 3: The sixth sack for Khalil Mack, a new Chargers record,

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Speaker 3: a loss of ten, a new individual record for Khalil

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Speaker 3: Mack in a single game.

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Speaker 1: Yep, maybe zero sacks going into the game, but it

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Speaker 1: takes one game to hit the leaderboard. As Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: could show you zero to six. Real quick man had

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Speaker 1: six sacks in one game, left side, right side, in tier,

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Speaker 1: exterior pass rush, extraordinary speed, rush, bullrush, power, whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to call it. He had it all. He was

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Speaker 1: in his bag. A shout out salute to Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: doing what you do. There's a reason why you know,

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Speaker 1: you're always in conversations of being one of the top

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Speaker 1: defensive players. The games like this, then they can't when olfs,

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Speaker 1: Chargers had six sacks in one game, all of them.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Giants game. Eleven sacks. Is that the

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Speaker 2: defense being is that the Seahawks defense being that good

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Speaker 1: There's another line, no one soon and Daniel Jones, I mean,

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Speaker 1: talk about Seattle defense as a whole. What two interceptions,

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Speaker 1: eleven sacks. There wasn't much that the Giants could do

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Speaker 1: to stop the defense. I feel like maybe I'm biased

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Speaker 1: helm when things are clicking at all cylinders, when you

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Speaker 1: have pour down linemen that are just getting sacks, when

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Speaker 1: you have linebackers adding in on sacks, when you have

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Speaker 1: You're not leaving much space to breathe for a quarterback

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Speaker 1: when the defense is rolling. Pick your poison is what

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Speaker 1: Seattle pretty much gave the Giants, and uh that poison

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Speaker 2: So one of the other thing that happened in that

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Speaker 2: game happened over the weekend. The Giants, the Chargers, the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: they all tried the now the infamous Eagles Toush push

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Speaker 2: all failed, all three of them. So clearly it's not

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Speaker 2: just right. It's not just it's not as easy to do.

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Speaker 2: It's it doesn't seem like if they're failing and the

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Speaker 2: Eagles are the only ones able to do it consistently,

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Speaker 2: what does that tell you.

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Speaker 1: It's Jalen Hurts. It's the Jalen Hurts effect. I think

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Speaker 1: that the Eagles tried the Toush push last year against

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints and it didn't work. With Gardner Minshew.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jalen Hurts is is uh from what I

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Speaker 1: from I've been told and what I've heard is not

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Speaker 1: only a great guy, but he's he's a gym rat.

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Speaker 1: He's a musclehead. You know, he's one of those. Uh

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Speaker 1: he's one. But yeah, power lifting four five, six hundred

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Speaker 1: drive there. Because you take Jaalen Hurts out of there,

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Speaker 1: you insert Gardnermentshew, You're not getting the same push, You're

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Speaker 1: getting the same to You're getting the same push, push,

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Speaker 1: but not the same result.

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Speaker 2: He's not as powerful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say. You know, an assisted quarterback sneak.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But but if you're when you're going up against that,

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Speaker 1: Your guys up front? It's always gonna come down to

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Speaker 1: the defensive line, right, I mean if the defensive line,

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Speaker 1: trying to lean forward, the quarterback driving, You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: that as well, But it's gonna be that It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be those nose tackles that detackle, hopefully in a five

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Speaker 1: you know exactly what play that there they're about to run.

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Speaker 1: You've got you know, a three zero three which is

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Speaker 1: know it is not moving and or pushing backwards. You

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Speaker 1: then have your rally points, just like a quarterback assisted

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Speaker 1: sneak Toush push. I don't like this Toush push reference,

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Speaker 1: but this assisted quarterback sneak it has you know, two helpers.

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Speaker 1: You have linebackers flying in as well, so there's there's

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Speaker 1: there's helpers versus helpers. So then it just becomes a

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Speaker 1: game of horsepower who has more.

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Speaker 2: So it's not just lower low man wins.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be low man wins, but also comes down

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Speaker 1: to you know, will GrITT and a little bit of luck.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say it was it's

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Speaker 2: the Jason Kelsey effect.

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Speaker 1: Jason kel You think Jason Kelsey is moving people like that?

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Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey is. His prowess is amazing, his power is decent,

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Speaker 1: but he's not that nobody's ever been, like, Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: a monster of a man. You know, Jason Kelsey is smart,

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Speaker 1: he's aggressive at the point of a contact that he's

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Speaker 1: a surefire veteran. And I'm just going to say probably

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer maybe because he's draft class of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense. It's a couple of Hall of famers

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Speaker 1: Julio Jones is definitely in. JJ Watt, probably in you know,

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Speaker 2: Over one hundred and ten Sacks, Cam Jordan, maybe.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Cam Jeorge TVD. You know you high chance that

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Speaker 1: there there's five or six Hall of Famers. I mean,

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Speaker 1: But you know, you group you group myself into that.

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Speaker 1: That idea of edge rusher Cam Hayward possibly gets in,

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Speaker 1: you know, like he's part of Steelers. Yeah, he's part

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Speaker 1: get in, you know, like once you've been a part

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Speaker 1: of Steelers defense, ten years. They just like look at

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Speaker 1: your stats and say you're probably getting here, like whether

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Speaker 1: they were one hundred sacks deep or fifty sacks deep.

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Speaker 1: You're part of the quote unquote vaunted Steelers history line.

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Speaker 1: You're probably got a good edge. For some reason, Steelers

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Speaker 1: get in. It's the culture, right, It's no doubt the

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Speaker 1: history is the eleven you what do you have? Five

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Speaker 1: I mean typically with when guys, yeah, I mean when

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Speaker 1: the you know Aaron Donald, like was that twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: speaking about the first rounders, right, right, and then a

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Speaker 1: draft class you're like, you're not You're not just like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because our third rounder here was good. Like they're they're additives.

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Speaker 1: the third rounders sprinkles, then everything else some random sauce.

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Speaker 1: forty sacks. Forty sacks change been in the league for

429
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: a few years. But that being said, Bro, you've been here.

430
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: Like they said, the NFL is not for a long time,

431
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: but a good time. Bro, you have made the most

432
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: out of these five years. Bro, have been going crazy,

433
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: not only from stat wise but all pro Pro Bowl

434
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: player leader on the on the Raiders, they call you

435
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: Mad Max, not just your rapper name. You're off the

436
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: edge defensive line persona.

437
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 3: Bro.

438
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for tapping in with me.

439
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: Bro, No, I appreciate you, Bro. And you know the

440
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: love goes both ways. You've been an OG for me

441
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: since day one. So, like you said, we got a

442
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 3: ton of connections, all the same people in the same circle.

443
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 3: We know all the same people from Vaughn you know,

444
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 3: working at his camps and on and on and on

445
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: and on. So I appreciate you, Bro, and in your career.

446
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't say this about many people,

447
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: but like there's a lot of guys you know from

448
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: like you and Vn. Y'all set the you know the

449
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: platform and the blueprint for how to do it, and uh,

450
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: you give me a ton of inspirations.

451
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 4: So just being here as an honor bro, So I

452
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 4: appreciate you.

453
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: Perfect, Bro. I appreciate it.

454
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: Bro.

455
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: I just want to like, I'm gonna open it up

456
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: because I talk about it a lot, this idea that

457
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: there's defensive ends and there's edge rushers. And you just

458
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: brought up me and Vaughn same draft class twenty eleven

459
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: Von edge rusher, me defensive end. You know what I'm saying, Like,

460
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: where are you sitting this convo? Because they they plugged

461
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: all of us together now outside linebacker quote nquote, your jacks,

462
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: your wills are sometimes now edge rushers, and I'm like, oh,

463
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: you can't do what I do.

464
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I feel that, you know, honestly, like you said,

465
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: like they try to just like put everybody into that

466
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: edge category.

467
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 4: But I think you're right.

468
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the day, the edge

469
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: position is it comes to so many different way you know,

470
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 3: shapes and sizes.

471
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: So that's what I think is the most special position because.

472
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: You could have a guy who's five ten, two sixty

473
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: and can rush the hell out of the pass or

474
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: in seid and edge. But then you could have a

475
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 3: six six dude that's you know, Tom lanky that can

476
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: still get the job done, but in a different way.

477
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: So you know, for me, I don't you know, I

478
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: don't like to put anybody in the box, you know,

479
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: for me, like I said, like, I want to be

480
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: the best all around defensive end from pass rushers, stop

481
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: in the run. I play, you know how, I'm like you,

482
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: I play every freaking snap like That's how I how

483
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 3: I carry myself. So like, I don't want to be

484
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: just known as a pass rusher or just a run

485
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: stopping guy.

486
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 4: Like I want to be the best overall. So that's

487
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 4: you know, that's how I look at it.

488
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: Got to be the best overall.

489
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 2: Bro.

490
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: Like, but I'm here to like, don't get a twist,

491
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm here to play this run first.

492
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 4: Yeah one hundred. Bro.

493
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you prefer to four eye, which is

494
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, that inside shade of a tackle or do

495
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: you prefer that five which the outside, saye the tackle

496
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: or even in nine?

497
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I'll leave the you know, I'll leave

498
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 4: the four eye to you.

499
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: But for me, you know, I'm playing, I like playing

500
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: in a five or six or seven nine technique.

501
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: You know that's me.

502
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: I like being on the edge at all times, no question.

503
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: You know you got you're weighing like too eighty.

504
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm like two sixty. You know what I mean.

505
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: I don't need to be but I'll do it. You

506
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: know I've done it right. I prefer to be on

507
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 3: the edge at a.

508
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: High level push on. We all have our preferences. Me,

509
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I really want to be a six syde,

510
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: Like if I could line up inside of a tight end. Yeah,

511
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really putting hands on a tight end.

512
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: Like that's when I'm like, I'm trying to choke somebody out,

513
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: like and I get that rage and me I'm like,

514
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: yeah him, I gotta get him.

515
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

516
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh bro, I played the four I too, Like it's

517
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: it is what it is. This is a different mindset, bro.

518
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: When you think about first second down, then I think

519
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: about third down. Like that's where like that's how I

520
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: attack the lines, right, I'm not thinking like, hey, pass play,

521
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: pass play unless unless like office line is given hints

522
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: or you know, like a formation like four outs is

523
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: is typically a pass play. Like I'm thinking like all right,

524
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: back off set he coming my way, and I like,

525
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: I got that smile on you. You know what I'm saying.

526
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, yo, they come in my way.

527
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: Let's do this stutter punch with what it is. Let's

528
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: rite when you think about what it takes to be

529
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: a defensive end. Have you ever thought about, like the

530
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: characteristics what it takes. Not just it's like, oh, you

531
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: gotta be long, you gotta be tall, because you've seen

532
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry Hughes do it. You've seen Nick Perry do it,

533
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: You've seen Tevon Thibodeau, whatever it is. What do you

534
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: think is the characteristics of a good defensive end?

535
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: You know?

536
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: I think you know the characteristics you got to have,

537
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: like you talked about, is having that dog mentality. I

538
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: think that's what separates, you know, the good players and

539
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: the great players. And like you said, you can go

540
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: to an NFL combine, guys can run a four to

541
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: four look like the biggest Leonitas on the planet.

542
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 4: But once you put pads on, you're like, like, what

543
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: the heck is this?

544
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 5: You know?

545
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 4: I like, yeah, you can't bro like yeah, but like

546
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: you see it all the time.

547
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: Like Tarzan, but he played like Jane, Like, that's a

548
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: real that's a real sentience because you be like, bro,

549
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: he looked, he looked like he major and get.

550
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: It there be mad.

551
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: He'd be like that don't make no sense.

552
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. But that's what you know when

553
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: you talk about mentality. They got to have that dog

554
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: in him, Like that's something you can't determine by looking

555
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: at somebody at a combine Like that really comes from

556
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: watching the film on Somebody. Feel like that's the most

557
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: important thing. You got to watch film and see who's

558
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: willing to put their nose in it, you know, and

559
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: freaking go ahead, you know it's bull rush, have all

560
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: the mixture of combinations, but be relentless at the same

561
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: time chasing the ball, flying to the ball. I think

562
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: the things that require no talent or the most important

563
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: thing to play that position the other shit on top

564
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: of it. Obviously, we're all NFL players, so you got

565
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: to have the ability to rush and bend and do

566
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 3: all those things. But I think the most important thing

567
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: is just having that relentless you know, I'm not gonna stop.

568
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna outplay, you know, outwork me during the game.

569
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 3: I think that's what you know, separates you know, the

570
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: great players from the good ones.

571
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: Man facts. Do you think sometimes like the way I

572
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: talk crap on like y'all you know I talk crap

573
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: the way you talk crap on the field, the passion,

574
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: the love that we have for the game. Like it

575
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: feels like when we win, like that's how you're supposed

576
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: to play the game. But when we lose, like that's

577
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: when you feel like media sort of like the attack

578
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: you like, oh you have to be that, Like what

579
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: do you mean, Like this is who I am as

580
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: a monster bro? Like, do you feel like sometimes your

581
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: passion as a competitor gets misconstrued by other people? Yeah,

582
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: let that affect you.

583
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: No, I don't let it affect me. I'm always gonna

584
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: be me. You know.

585
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: I definitely take some you know, I feel like more

586
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: recently in the past year, I've taken a lot of

587
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: heat just from like you know, they released the quarterback

588
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: thing where they see me like going after my homes

589
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: and talking messing with them and like everyone's like, oh my.

590
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 4: God, he's an apple, he's a jerk.

591
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 3: And then they see me like they released a micd

592
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: up and I was like, I took our tight end

593
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: like twenty yards off the ball and just body slammed

594
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: them just to set the tone, and like they're like this,

595
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: dude's an apple, But like I love that because that's

596
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: who I am. Like it's not they're just getting to

597
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: see it now, but like that's why I am as

598
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: a player. My mentality is like I don't care who's

599
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: in front of me. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna try

600
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: to get in their head and I'm gonna try to

601
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: make them feel less than what they are. You know,

602
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: they might be a good player, I want to make

603
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: them feel average. So that's what I started to play

604
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: to play basis. So if they don't like it, that's

605
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: not my problem, right.

606
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: Somebody brought that up to like what is Max like that?

607
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: I was like Max, that dude. I was like, yeah,

608
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: he puts me like that, Like what do you What

609
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: do you want me to do? You want me to

610
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: be like the Andrew luck of a defensive end, Like

611
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: it's just like, hey, i'll see you next time.

612
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah I can't do that, bro, I'm gonna be one

613
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: hundred percent me. If you don't like it, you don't

614
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: like it. But the people that love me, they love

615
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: me for that. So it's like that love me, you know,

616
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: that's all that matters to me.

617
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't get it. You think we're all friends, Like

618
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to Like the officer lineman I'm going against.

619
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: I think he's that slow and I think he can't

620
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: mess with me. That's the reason why I'm on the edge.

621
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: And he's he's in his position that he's in. He's

622
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: like he's a kid that grew up eating hell of

623
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: candy and snacks a middle of the night, played Fortnite duty,

624
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: you know.

625
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: You know, drinking a coke sitting there.

626
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, he says, and he says things like I'm athletic,

627
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: are you? Because you're the only one telling yourself that

628
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: you're athletic? You know, Like you're not supposed to be friends, bro, Like,

629
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Like you know, when we talked

630
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: to Vaughan this past year and Vonn was like, man,

631
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, I like to I like to get to

632
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: know him, the officer the line, and I'll be going

633
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: against a guy and I'll be like, hey, man, how's

634
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: your day? Oh man, man, I saw you had kids.

635
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: How's your kids? Man? I ain't never asked none of that.

636
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: See for me, No, that's funny you say that, because

637
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: like there's like majority of the time like I'm gonna

638
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: be on that with whoever it is, like just to

639
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: get myself going, like there's some guy like I feel

640
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: like it's different, you know when it comes to the

641
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: old lineman, Like there's some old lineman, like even a

642
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: Garret Bowles for instance, Like my first couple of years

643
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: in the league, like me and him a match up

644
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: twice a year, and like we were going like we

645
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: were damn near fighting every play and we're talking and

646
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: going at it, going at it.

647
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 4: And then like by the end of my.

648
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Second year, we played each other for like the fourth time,

649
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: and he started walking across the field like we were

650
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: getting personal, like this was going there. I'm like, all right,

651
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm ready to fight. I already know what it is

652
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: about to be. And he walked up to me and

653
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: I'm like this after the game, we're fighting right now.

654
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: And he's like, Bro, I love you, Bro, I'm gonna

655
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: just say that, like I respect the guy to you.

656
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: He was like at the end of the day, he

657
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: was like, you're you bring it more than anybody, Like

658
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: he just had a lot of good shit to say.

659
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: Bro, But like that's for me, that was a cool

660
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 4: aast moment.

661
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: So like every time I see him now like he

662
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: did lays sees me, he's like, I love you, bro,

663
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: and then it's what I mean, it's like.

664
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: How did do something like? Yeah?

665
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: So every you know, every situation is different, and uh,

666
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: you know, it is what it is. But for me,

667
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: like I'm always trying to find that edge, whether it's

668
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: you know, talking or whatever I gotta do to get that.

669
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: Man.

670
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, but that competitive that's what makes you like great.

671
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't, like I said, I don't want to

672
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: like you. I don't want to I can like you

673
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: outside the lines. In between these lines, you are an obstacle,

674
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: your speed bump, your literally your job is literally to

675
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: stop me from getting to where I'm trying to go. Yeah,

676
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: like you, if I'm trying to get out the gated community,

677
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: guess I got to get out to get out of there,

678
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: like the speed bump, and guess what that off my

679
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: names that speedbump. So hey, man, break the thing now. Man,

680
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get in there, bro. But but that's

681
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: what it sort of takes for me to get to

682
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: the process. For you, you, bro, you worked all the

683
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: way through. So the leadership that you have now the

684
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: locker rooms in a good place between you guys like

685
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: Davante Adams. Tell me that leadership process, especially for a

686
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: guy like you know, Davante who had to come in

687
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: and be cultivated to the to the raider style of

688
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: play or bring his culture on to you. That leadership

689
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: between you and him, because I see it on the field.

690
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: I see he chirps, you chirp your defense, your office

691
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: response when you guys like talking like that. Leadership qualities

692
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: that you guys have to me, tell me a little

693
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: bit about that in locker room.

694
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. You know, uh, you know, you nail

695
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: the raid on the head.

696
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: You know DeVante, he's you know, he's like, I think

697
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: this is tenth year.

698
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: You know, he's close to you.

699
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: He's been in the league for a long time now,

700
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: and he the dude is elite at what he does.

701
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: And at the same time, he brings that energy no

702
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: matter if his practice or game day, and he's always

703
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: doing extra. So when you have a guy that's the first,

704
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: you know, three years in a row, first Seamau pro

705
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: and he's also one of your artist workers, like there's

706
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: nothing you could say. So like, guys are going to

707
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: naturally follow. And that's why I work the way I work,

708
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I'm always I'm staying on

709
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: guy's ass, especially the young guys. Like I make people

710
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: uncomfortable sometimes and I try to push them out of

711
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: their comfort zone. But like for me, you know, I've

712
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: it's taking years to earn that right and like for

713
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: not you know, Now, that's what leadership is all about.

714
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: Is I want to bring the guys with me.

715
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: I want them you know, they might not get up

716
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: to my level right out the gate, but it's gonna

717
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: take time. And if they can go from here to here,

718
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: then I've done my job. And if I can bring

719
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: all the guys with me, that's that's what I could do.

720
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: So like that's how I push it, bro Like, yeah,

721
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: I just want to make you know, everybody's different, you know.

722
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: And I learned this from coach Marionelli too. He told me,

723
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, what makes a coach great is, uh,

724
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, being able to adapt to all your different

725
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: players because certain you know, every guy's different, Certain players

726
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: tick a certain way. Some guys you know, need to

727
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: get mother sometimes and that's how they get going. And

728
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: some guys you got to be nice to them and

729
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: then that's so it's like I try to learn and

730
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: really know who my guys are as people, and we

731
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: do d line dinners every week, Like they'll come to

732
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: the house, I'll have chefs come and we'll you know,

733
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: just kick it and like do stuff like that, so

734
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: I can really learn who the person is. Because you

735
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: can't go and mother somebody and you don't even know

736
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: what their child's name is. Yeah, that's a problem, Like

737
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: you I don't want to you know, I'm not going

738
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: to listen to that. But if I have a real

739
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: relationship with them, then you know you can.

740
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: Then there's a reason, Like he's receptive because he's like, Bro,

741
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: he cares about me as persons and he wants me

742
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: to be the best version of meet.

743
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: One hundred per bro. And that's that's how I lead.

744
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: And our locker room's great.

745
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: Bro.

746
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: I love the guys and we have a lot of

747
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: good people and a lot of hard workers. So yeah,

748
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: we just got to you know, keep rolling and get

749
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: this thing on board.

750
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it, clearly you've earned the love, respect,

751
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: and accolades that You've gotten and earned it each and

752
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: every step of the way. Bro, the way you play

753
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: has been phenomenal. The way you get out the stacks

754
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: and like, I'm like, yo, like you have to get

755
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: out the stacks. I'm like, Bro, you think you could

756
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: be all prob without getting out of the stacks? Broat you

757
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: watch Max? He's mad Max on Sundays. He going crazy.

758
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: You're chasing things down, You're running things down. And now

759
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: we got your former quarterback Derek Carr. He talks so

760
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: highly of you. He's like, Bro, you might be the

761
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: only person that runs just as much as Mad as

762
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: Max does after practices or whatever. It is, Like, Bro,

763
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: I always see running, He's always running. I'm like absolutely.

764
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: I was like, dude's a dog for a reason. He

765
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: earns it. But that being said, Bro, it's also put

766
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: you in the spot to what were you this year

767
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: on ESPN seventeen?

768
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? Seven?

769
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: Does that motivate you at all? Does that affect you

770
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: at all? Like for me, I be like, bro, it's

771
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: just another year. Like there's years when I was like, oh,

772
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I know I'm top twenty and been number ninety nine,

773
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: And there's years that I've all right, like I'll probably

774
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: talk that might be bottom fifty this year and been

775
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: as high as like thirty something. It just depends. But

776
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: does it affect you or motivate you?

777
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: Honestly, it motivates me. Like for me, I don't like

778
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: having anybody have anything like over me. If I you

779
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: know what I mean, if I'm first im pressures and

780
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: first and TFLs and like there's always going to be

781
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: something that I'm trying to find that somebody has over me,

782
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 3: and like that sit will bother me until I get

783
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: back out there and try to get closer to that.

784
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: So like I use things like that as motivation, you know,

785
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: more than anything.

786
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: And like that's just like how my mind works.

787
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: I'm ultra competitive no matter what I'm doing, and like, yeah,

788
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: I want to be the number one player, Like I

789
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: was ranked seventeenth, you know, by my peers as a

790
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: player in the NFL. Like just thinking about that, you know,

791
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: five years ago, if you'd have told me I'm in

792
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: the top twenty like in the league and that's in.

793
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: The world, Like that's crazy.

794
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like now where

795
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: I'm at, like there's always more And like I got

796
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: that from Coach Marinelli, Like he texted me damn near

797
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: every single day to this day.

798
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 4: And he's retired seventy five years old.

799
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell he's doing in his lab,

800
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: but he's he always had it's more and improved.

801
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 4: Like those are the two words he always is preaching

802
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 4: to me.

803
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: He's like, you, there's always more to do and there's

804
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 3: always room for improvement, and like you have to find

805
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 3: what that is every single day.

806
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: So like for me, that's how my brain works.

807
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: Like I could have a good game, i could have

808
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 3: a bad game, but like I'm always going to find

809
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: the things I got to get better at and apply

810
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 3: that into my practice and preparation the next week.

811
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: So that's what I feel like.

812
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: The consistency part is like so big for me, and

813
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: what's taking my game at the next level is like

814
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: never getting content or too high or too low. It's like,

815
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna stay right here, even keeled, and

816
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 3: just build off of it every single week. And that's

817
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: how you put together a great season, is not you know,

818
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: riding the roller coaster. You just gotta you know, let

819
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: the certain things you know how you know how you tick?

820
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: You know, I know how I tick. You know how

821
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: you tick, So like, for me, I'm gonna find that

822
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: and use it for a positive.

823
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: That mentality has changed, bro, even in the last what

824
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: five years ago you were rookie to now Bro, Yeah,

825
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: there was that like two or three years ago when

826
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you were like, Bro, like, I'm getting all these pressures,

827
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: but I'm like, the sacks aren't where they supposed to be.

828
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: And we talked about it. You're like, Bro, Like like

829
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: how do I was like, Bro, what do you? It

830
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: all comes around, Bro, if you're getting pressures, that means

831
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: you're getting closer as long as you as long as

832
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't even remember the whole conversation, I was like, Bro,

833
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: as long as you're hunting, Like eventually, if you keep

834
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: stabbing at it, you're going to draw blood. You know

835
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying?

836
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 6: Like blood.

837
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: You took off after that, Bro, But like, does that

838
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: that competitive edge you have, that chippy wheel? Does that

839
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: also come from not saying smaller school, but like you

840
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: going in the you know, middle of the draft that

841
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: that fourth round draft pick? Is that an extra added

842
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: mentality from like I didn't come from nothing, but like

843
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't respect me the way they were

844
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: supposed to.

845
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I always I've always felt like I've

846
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: been slept on and I feel like I've always had

847
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: to go above and beyond to like prove my worth.

848
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: I know, it's a part of my journey, you know,

849
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: like being you know, I've been with the Raiders. You know,

850
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: we've had you know, three out of four years they

851
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 3: have made the playoffs, and it's been a struggle. Like

852
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: I was a fourth round pick, I had one offer

853
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: coming out of high school. Like I've always had to

854
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: go above and beyond and do what I do. But

855
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: it's like that's what makes me who I am, and

856
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: like I love it. I wouldn't change it for anything,

857
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: And like it is hard because I feel like, you know,

858
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: I don't always have the greatest, you know deck of cards.

859
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, that's what makes

860
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: me who I am because I've always found a way,

861
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: Like I've never I never quit, Like no matter if

862
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: I start something, I'm gonna finish it. And that's how

863
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 3: I approach every single day. So like I love when

864
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: people doubt me. I love and they tell me, oh

865
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: he's not. Like even last year, like I thought I

866
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: should have been an all pro like that's I thought about

867
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: that all year and like you know when he played

868
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: Lineman and like you have a good game and they'll

869
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 3: come out and be like, oh we got locked up,

870
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: he didn't get a sack, blah blah blah blah blah,

871
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: and then they'll show two clips and you're getting blocked

872
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: and like you kill them the rest of the time. Like, Bro,

873
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: that sits in my mind, Like I don't want anybody

874
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: to have anything over So like that's what it is

875
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: for me. Bro, It's every single day, Like I'm just

876
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: I'm just competitive shit, Like it doesn't matter if I'm

877
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: playing two K if I'm hanging in the back talking

878
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: with the guys, like it doesn't matter. I don't want

879
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: anybody to have anything over me. And like that's that's

880
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: what pushes me every single day.

881
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: That's that's that one when you go gets Officer Lineman

882
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: and you've beating him outside inside, through and you're coming

883
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: right there at the quarterback. Bro, Like I'm like there

884
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: was there was times this last two games I'm just

885
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: like literally filling the lace on the ball and being

886
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: launched and I'm like, oh, they techle played good against you. Yeah,

887
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: You're like you're like, bro, like it was me, Like

888
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: I didn't get there, but you know that's on me,

889
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: it's not him. He didn't stop me either way. It

890
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: was a quick release whatever it was. Like, But do

891
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: you think some of that is like instinct verse technique?

892
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: Like yo, like you when you're looking at your film

893
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: for your spin move in that quarterback stepping up and

894
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: you have a hand on the shoulder and he slips

895
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: out of there. I know you've talked about stretching, flexibility,

896
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: grip strength, Like what what do you think it is

897
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: to finish in those plays?

898
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 4: I think it's a combination.

899
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: You know, you got to have, Like I think that's

900
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: you know, differ between a pressure, like you can get pressures.

901
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: You know they count hurries and you know present they're

902
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: all combined. So like, yeah, if the ball's gone in

903
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: two seconds and you're beating them in one and a half,

904
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 3: like you can't do anything about that, but you're winning

905
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: the rush, Like that's what it really comes down to.

906
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: If you're winning a high percentage of rushes and you

907
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: have natural football instincts and you're reading your keys, you're

908
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: playing with pad level, you're working that you work in

909
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: practice like guys that me and you, like Bro, we've

910
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: been pro bowlers, Like we trust our moves and we

911
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: think we know they're gonna work if we trust them

912
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 3: and do them the right way, and our pad levels

913
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: right and our eyes are right and our cell is right,

914
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: like all that matters. So like for me going into

915
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: the game, I'm trusting that process, like I'm gonna break

916
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: down the film. I'm gonna see what I can do

917
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: better from the week before, and like I'm gonna start

918
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: looking at my opponent. How can I beat this guy?

919
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: How can I dissect them? And like for me, it's

920
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: not just like you know when you talk about like finishing,

921
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: that's finishing. Just you know, every little detail matters. And

922
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: like I talk about from practice to the weight room,

923
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: like the grip strength thing, like I do grip after

924
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: every workout now, like I've done it for years now,

925
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: just because that extra grab and like.

926
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: Wait, which which one?

927
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: Which one do you do?

928
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: Do you have?

929
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: Do you have like the hand machines or do you

930
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: Like I do my grip strength where like I hold

931
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: I hold the forty five pound what is it, twenty

932
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: two kilo weights and I do that for time or

933
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: then like I started a couple of years ago. Our

934
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: d line coach introduced like flipping these things. Yeah, now

935
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm like flipping and catching, Like on a Thursday, I'm

936
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: like flipping catching these forty five pounds waights, just like

937
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: in those weeks that you don't have you like, all right,

938
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: all rights, because I do have my finger. Not an excuse,

939
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: but like gotta go, just back to hole. What would

940
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: be your favorite grip strength exercise? Would you say?

941
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say my favorite, Like we do a

942
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: ton ton of different ones, Like today we had like

943
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: the fat grippers on, which are hard as hell, and

944
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: you deal with kettlebells like you can't fully grip and

945
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: you're just shaking.

946
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: I don't know about this. What do you wait?

947
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: Wait, explain I I'll send it to you.

948
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different, but I sat with what like thirty

949
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: five forty pounds.

950
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: No, you get like it's sixty I'll say sixty pound kettlebell.

951
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: You do like you do like sessions, so you do

952
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: like thirty seconds with it with it, and then twenty

953
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: seconds with a heavier weight, and then you do like

954
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: towel holes, so you wrap it around the kettlebell and

955
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 3: you hold with a towel and it's heavy, Like, Bro,

956
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: I gotta I got some for you. I'll say, take bro,

957
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: my god, I'm wanting to learn. I like I'm telling

958
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: you Rick Slate my guy in here in the train.

959
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: He's one of my He's like the main guy works

960
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: out with me. He's my puts me through every workout.

961
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: That dude, you don't stop working out, Bro, he's an

962
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: og Bro he's and he gets right you're.

963
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Going through prison workouts, ya workouts.

964
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 4: He has me screaming, like cussing him out. I'm so mad.

965
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: I hurts so bad, but it pays off in the end.

966
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, bro, Like you surprised me? What

967
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: was that this pass Pro Bowl? We were talking like, Bro,

968
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm working out here every day still, like like there

969
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: is no shut down for me in the off season.

970
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Is there a shutdown period? When do you recoup the bod?

971
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: Like for me, I have to like I gotta get

972
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: away fam like I disappear for like a month, like

973
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: work it out, no arn it like I gotta eat,

974
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: love my family love me. We're not in football season.

975
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily like the greatest. I don't think I'm

976
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: the greatest dad, husband, brother, anything. I'm like, yo, it's Thursday.

977
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: So Thursday through Sunday, I'm locking the hell in, Like

978
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't even like to do media by Wednesday is Friday, Like,

979
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: don't ask me Saturday. I am so locked in. I'm like,

980
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: I got things I have to do on Sunday. I'm

981
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: not a person's Onday. I'm coming with bad intentions. When

982
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: do you get away and become you know, like daddy

983
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: Max got to love you?

984
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

985
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: No, honestly, bro Like, this was after my third year

986
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: and fourth year, like or no, it was after my

987
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: second year and third year. I would start after the

988
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: Super Bowl That's when I would start training. And this year,

989
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't make the playoffs, and you know,

990
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: I talked to my strength coach, I talked to my

991
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: nutritions all this, and he was like, hey, we're going

992
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: to start January thirtieth this year, and this is why

993
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: we're going to ease, you know, ease into the process.

994
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: Boom boom boom. He broke it down to me.

995
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: You know, I have a team of people that all

996
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, collaborate and communicate here with the Raiders. So

997
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: it was great and I started.

998
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: Your own team of people, Hey I'm here.

999
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: I'm here by myself. You know what I mean.

1000
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 3: When you when you hear about yourself, you get everybody,

1001
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: you get all the resources. So yeah, you know we

1002
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: started January thirtieth, and so yeah, I took like two

1003
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: and a half weeks off and I was back rolling,

1004
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: but I was still meal prepping even after the season,

1005
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: and like, I always want to stay in shape. And

1006
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: no matter what I hate, there's nothing worse than going

1007
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: and put eating like sh for two weeks and you

1008
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: have to drop weight and then you're just wasting weeks

1009
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: of work. And you know time you can improved by

1010
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: trying to cut weight and then get back into shape.

1011
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: So like for me, I want to be in shape

1012
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: all year round. So like that's how that's how this

1013
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: for me is. Really it's really all year round.

1014
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: Man, I said, that's what it takes.

1015
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 5: Bro.

1016
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: Like if that's if that's what Joe vibe is, that's

1017
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: crazy work to me because I'm like, yo, I gotta

1018
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: get away, like I'm eating. I'm eating like that little

1019
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: fat here. Bro, Like I gotta eat eat well, We'll

1020
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: say well and come back.

1021
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: I'm like every weekends, I'm eating good in the off season.

1022
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: I will say that my Saturdays, I'm getting my cheap meal,

1023
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 3: I'm getting Chipotle for lunch. I'm gonna eat something for dinner.

1024
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: But like, besides that, you know that one day a.

1025
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: Week cheating, none of the off season, like a month, man,

1026
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: like you know you know this off seat I went to.

1027
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: I went to Spain for two and a half months. Oh,

1028
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: I start working out tonight, like last month and a half.

1029
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: That first month I was there. I needed all of it,

1030
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, big beat, a harmon, the big big steaks.

1031
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: What I need all of it. I was like, yo,

1032
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: run that twice. My kids are looking at me like

1033
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Daddy's fluffy.

1034
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: Yeah he is, damn right.

1035
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: I worked hard to be fluffy. And then I'm gonnaet right.

1036
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: All right, three quick questions I get you out here, bro,

1037
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: I said, twenty five minutes. He gone over twenty five minutes. Yeah, hey, bro,

1038
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: what's your favorite cheap meal?

1039
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 4: Favorite cheat meal?

1040
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what Chipotle gout? Come on, come on.

1041
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, that's just so easy for me

1042
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 4: to say it.

1043
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: But I would say this and like this is my prison,

1044
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: like if I was in prison, Like they're like, you

1045
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: have one meal left? I'm gotting Chicken Fried's teag with

1046
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: mashed potatoes, cream cord gravy, all that like straight murders, murders.

1047
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: Heya, favorite other edge rusher edge rusher to watch.

1048
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, there's a lot of them.

1049
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: That's what I say ta take take, take Jordans and

1050
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: you you're going t j Okay, yeah, okay, to a

1051
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: little what all right? And then now I'm not gonna

1052
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: do this to you.

1053
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: Favorite teammate, favorite teammate I got.

1054
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: I love them all, but I'm gonna have to say.

1055
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Devanteta, my god, we're like save my brother.

1056
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, last last question. Favorite tattoo when you're done,

1057
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: favorite tattooing you got. When I first met you, you

1058
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: had a little bit. Now you've got.

1059
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 4: The I'm gonna say my daughter.

1060
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 3: I got my daughter right here, So yeah, it's holding

1061
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: down for Ella, no question.

1062
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely appreciate you, Bro. You you you're a monster.

1063
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: Bro.

1064
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: You becoming a legend of the game, and like, keep

1065
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: on pushing, keep on pressing. I appreciate you tapping in

1066
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: with me.

1067
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 6: Bro.

1068
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: We'll text later, Bro, but I appreciate you for getting there.

1069
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 4: Appreciate you bro your legend.

1070
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting you brought up twice now the

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Speaker 2: last two weeks, the difference between defensive ends and edge rushers.

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Speaker 1: Because Jude's the edge guy can't put his hand on

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Speaker 1: the ground like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the difference. If there's a.

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Speaker 1: Grunt, that's what a defensive end is. If there's a sniper,

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Speaker 1: that's what the outside linebacker is. They get the easier job,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like if we talk about it, like even

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Speaker 1: with Max, how we talked about a four I versus

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Speaker 1: a six eye. If I'm a defensive end, I may

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Speaker 1: be enclosed trapped between a guard and a tackle because

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Speaker 1: I'm playing the inside of a tackle. I'm also gonna

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Speaker 1: play the edge of this tackle, which means I could

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Speaker 1: be enclosed by the tight end. An edge guy like

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Speaker 1: a T. J. Watt, You're never gonna see him inside

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Speaker 1: of a tackle unless it's a quot unquote pass rushing.

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Speaker 1: He's just shooting the gap. You're gonna see him on

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Speaker 1: the edge of a nine, which is outside the outside

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Speaker 1: the tight end head up, and rarely inside of Now,

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Speaker 1: if he is on the edge again, he could be

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Speaker 1: that on the open side of a tackle, but he's

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Speaker 1: not doing dirty work. He's a finesse player. He's gonna swim,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot the gap, he's gonna do everything else.

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Speaker 1: Me defensive ends, you got a hold that gap. You

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Speaker 1: gotta set the edge through the through a b gap.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to reset the line of scrimmage. Edges

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Speaker 1: they're fun, they're they're diamonds. You find a diamond, you

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Speaker 1: have a diamond. Defensive ends or like pearls, you gotta dive.

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Speaker 1: You may die trying to be a defensive end. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you gotta you gotta work for.

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Speaker 1: We might in fact, might not even be a pearl,

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Speaker 1: might be an abaloney. You gotta free dive. You got

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Speaker 1: to dive in. Defensive ends are rare because you're if

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Speaker 1: you're a defensive end, they cheat, try and shoot you

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Speaker 1: as a dtackle And if you're you know, a d tackle,

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Speaker 1: then you're not on the edge. Defensive ends are the

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Speaker 1: defensive end more times than not. But now you have edge,

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Speaker 1: an edge like an outside linebacker. He doesn't do what

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Speaker 1: we do. They may drop more too, though, quote unquote

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Speaker 1: zone drop drop off three. They have fun. I like

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Speaker 1: playing I like playing outside linebacker. It's it's fun. You

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Speaker 1: know how much energy you save not playing outside linebacker

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Speaker 1: when you're a jack or a will like I have

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Speaker 1: got so much more in You know how much more

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Speaker 1: energy it takes to split a double team of a

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Speaker 1: tackling a guard versus a tight end and a tight

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Speaker 1: end four hundred pound difference there. Excuse what you say I.

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Speaker 3: Was gonna say, is that like the new way for

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Speaker 3: like outside line barkers, because like Micah Parsons is up

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Speaker 3: the trend.

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Speaker 1: Now, No, because I mean before Micah, there is Shack

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Speaker 1: Barrett before Shack like there's always going to be in

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Speaker 1: an explosive edge Vaughn. Vaughn's the prototype of an edge

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Speaker 1: because he's been doing it for thirteen years and hasn't

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Speaker 1: lost a step. Typically, when when you see your edge

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Speaker 1: guys lose a step, they're not the same anymore defensive

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Speaker 1: ends they've always had that skill sets.

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Speaker 2: TJ's more a d N.

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Speaker 1: TJ is the epitome of an edge guy. There's a

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Speaker 1: reason why the Steelers, Like Steelers have three sacks from

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Speaker 1: TJ and then three hundred yards on the ground without

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward there like they ain't nobody ever been but

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Speaker 1: We don't talk about it because your sexy stat is

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Speaker 1: your sacks, your pressures. You know, that's the sexy stat,

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Speaker 1: not a hold of no edge like they're shooting the gap,

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Speaker 1: they're swimming underneath. They're not punishing an office alignment they have.

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Speaker 1: We don't even have the same mentality.

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Speaker 6: A lot of the defensive stats don't.

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Speaker 1: No, it's just yeah, I mean it's our our lane

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Speaker 1: is is collude, is colluded. It's tainted if you shall

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Speaker 1: like you know, because it used to be your all

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Speaker 1: pro defensive ends and then it became you know, that

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Speaker 1: was doing defensive ends of defensive tackles. Fight like, yo,

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Speaker 1: I'm a D tackle, but I move out to the five.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't make me a detackle. I'm really or it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make me d I'm just a D tackle. And

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Speaker 1: then somewhere in there, it's like the outside linebackers became

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Speaker 1: edge rushers.

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Speaker 2: So like, uh, DeMarcus where yeah he was a linebacker,

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Speaker 2: but he was he was he was a rushing linebacker, correct,

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Speaker 2: So how does he how does somebody like that quantify.

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Speaker 1: When more times than not he's got his hand in

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Speaker 1: the ground, but he's got his hand in the ground

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Speaker 1: older him bro now younger him outside linebacker, older him,

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Speaker 1: more of a defensive end. You know, think about it,

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Speaker 1: Think about it. I'm entering my annoying face. I'm about

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Speaker 1: to get I'm about to get tired. All right, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up. Thank you for tuning in Off

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Speaker 1: the Edge with Cam Jordan go Ham, Cam, Cam Jay

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Speaker 1: Killer Cam. There's a lot of you know, nicknames out

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Speaker 1: in the football world about me. Probably not, but I

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Speaker 1: just made those up. I just want to appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys tuning in, and you know, maybe ask you guys

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. I appreciate you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in Off the Edge with Cam. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm out.

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Speaker 7: I'm tired.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go try to win.

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Speaker 7: We're gone.

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Speaker 6: Deep and deep deep, then keep.

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Speaker 8: Back the deep stream, keep constrainep back the stream, and

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Speaker 8: then keep back contract.

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Speaker 6: Back the stream and.

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Speaker 5: True deep back the stream and the deep.

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Speaker 7: Bast and keep contract

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Speaker 6: Deep back the stream, then keep constra