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Speaker 1: long time coming episode of the show with an incredible

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Speaker 1: phenom that I have had a professional crush on for.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many days exactly has it been

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Speaker 1: since we met, like three hundred and seventy four it

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Speaker 1: was last year, and yeah, I've just been like in

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Speaker 1: love and have felt like I felt like everyone felt

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Speaker 1: the summer that Barbie came out and it was like,

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Speaker 1: there's a Barbie for everyone. And I just feel like

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Speaker 1: this woman who you're going to meet on the show

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Speaker 1: is like my Barbie. She's like the Barbie that I

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Speaker 1: want to be. And has anyone ever called you that? No,

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Speaker 1: it's so I just made it up just now.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited to introduce y'all be a fan

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Speaker 2: to my guest today.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Canoah Green. She is the incredible founder

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Speaker 1: of a plus sized, yes, plus size adventure community. But

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Speaker 1: I do want to introduce her to you guys and

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Speaker 1: just say that if this is the face of what

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Speaker 1: adventure and travel looks like, there ain't nothing we can't do.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing we can't do. Ba vam, So welcome

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Speaker 1: Cunoah to the broad Ambission podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I am so excited and

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Speaker 3: honestly a Barbie reference.

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Speaker 1: What would you call yourself? I feel like plus size

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Speaker 1: is so like you know it is, It's useful. It

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Speaker 1: was a title foisted upon us.

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Speaker 2: I feel like ever since I was eight years old

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Speaker 2: shopping in a whole different section of sears.

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Speaker 3: I think when first was creating this, I didn't have

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Speaker 3: plus size as part of it, But the issue was

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Speaker 3: the people that it's there for. They wouldn't be able

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Speaker 3: to find it. You know what I'm saying, Like I

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Speaker 3: consciously wanted to make sure that you knew it was

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Speaker 3: for you. Is a destination adventure travel company specifically for

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Speaker 3: the plus sized community. So the idea that you know,

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Speaker 3: as a straight sized person, you know, we're thinking size

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Speaker 3: You may obviously be new to it and need to

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Speaker 3: there is a huge disconnect and that we don't have

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Speaker 3: Buying a ski suit that worked for me was tragic.

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Speaker 3: How is there.

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Speaker 1: What to do?

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Speaker 3: I ended up finding and when I tell you I've

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Speaker 3: We're really left at a disadvantage, and so Nakoa is

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Speaker 3: So that's what Nicoa does, you know, Hiking in Switzerland,

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Speaker 1: So tell me exactly as a plus sized person myself

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Speaker 1: So on your trips Canoa, are you promising me if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely gold. Yeah. I mean growing up, I was

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know, isn't it wild sometimes to think about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had left my corporate career in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: you don't have to you know, the options to do

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00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: what you want to do, and they just keep growing

435
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: and honestly out of the need of there to just

436
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: be more inclusivity in these different sports, right, That's that's

437
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 3: what I'm driven by. It's what do people want to

438
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: do and where are we really struggling to with the gear,

439
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: the equipment and the resources to help people get out

440
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: there and do them. Because the reality is I work

441
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: with a lot of brands when it comes to the

442
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: apparel in some of these active spaces, both in fitness

443
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: and an outdoor but one of the other disconnects is

444
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: the gear, and I understand from a commerce position that

445
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: you know, brands don't necessarily want to invest in that

446
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 3: money if there's not a market for it. And I

447
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: get that. Plusized people don't aren't out there because they

448
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: don't have the things right, So it needs to work

449
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 3: both ends, which is what exactly which is what Nakoa

450
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 3: has done and how I see it, it is working

451
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: it from both ends to help people get out there,

452
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: but then also really pushing brands to create these things.

453
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: This community that can do these things and wants to.

454
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Speaker 1: What are some examples of gear, like changes in gear

455
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: that you want to see.

456
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: I think the wet suit. It's I'm never surfing in

457
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: cold water. I'll just say that right now. But but

458
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: there are a lot of people around this world who

459
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: need to and the fact that there just aren't options

460
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: is really unfortunate. It's probably the peer that I get

461
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: asked about the most in regards to recommendations, and I

462
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: never I never have any. So I think that's a

463
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Speaker 3: big one because it'll open up multiple sports and activities

464
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: for people within our community.

465
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Speaker 1: Canoa, Can I go skiing? Is there a ski suit

466
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Speaker 1: that would fit?

467
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Speaker 3: Yes, you're the nice yees too. There are some options

468
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: out there. I mean. The great thing is that every year.

469
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Speaker 1: Stretch, I want to spank, I want to look snatched.

470
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Speaker 1: You know. The thing is, it's like, yeah, there's a

471
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Speaker 1: size for you.

472
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Speaker 2: It'll be like mustard orange, and it'll have like so

473
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: anyone who knows me, it'll have a cold shoulder, it'll

474
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: have like a daily attacle.

475
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it's like a peplum skin pepm ski.

476
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: I need it. I neither to be a hot pink

477
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: or a neon l like I'm anyone who knows me.

478
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: I love to look fabulous. So this idea that if

479
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: it's plusized, it has to be black and boring, I'm

480
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: so no. I'm not about that. There is actually cute

481
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: snow gear that's been coming out. There's a few brands

482
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: that do it. I have a ski suit that is

483
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: all lavender. She is so adorbed.

484
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Speaker 1: What's the brands?

485
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 3: That one is true? T R E W And they

486
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Speaker 3: go to four X.

487
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we getting out there. I still don't really

488
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: have a desire to ski. I don't like being cold.

489
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: I know, but I think it's the whole thing. Then

490
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 3: you just go to Opre Ski, go to the lounge VI.

491
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Speaker 1: I love. You know. What I do love is getting

492
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: a water like getting inflatable and taking that down a

493
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: really slippery slope like in the snows. Now that is

494
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: so I could get into that, but like and then

495
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: some hot chocolate after that, and just like we're only.

496
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Speaker 3: You know, if they had black Ski Week, So I'm

497
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: going to Black Ski Week.

498
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Speaker 1: And I mean I can imagine what it is, but

499
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I've never heard of it.

500
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Speaker 3: It's black folk getting out there, not just skiing, but snowboarding,

501
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: most snowmobiling. It's a whole vibe. Everyone looks so cute

502
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: and fabulous. It's a week twenty five. It's happening February

503
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: twenty second through March fifth, so it's a whole week

504
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Speaker 3: of activities. I'm going to go the first few days

505
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Speaker 3: and just I'm super exc It'll be my first time

506
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: going super excited.

507
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Speaker 1: WHOA, where's that? Like in Colorado or something.

508
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: I think they can change the location every year, but

509
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Speaker 3: yet this year it's going to be in Vail, Keystone, Colorado.

510
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: Ooh nice? Okay, all right, So what would you say

511
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: to someone who's listening right now and who is working

512
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: really hard on that relationship with movement being for joy,

513
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: for strength versus to be smaller.

514
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: I would say the first step would be try something

515
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: that you love to do, Like, try a movement that

516
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: you love or are excited to do right And it

517
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be doing that thing you saw an

518
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: influencer do on TikTok that is like the best move

519
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 3: for a great butt, Like you're like forcing yourself to

520
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: do it because you hurt you know, are being on

521
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: the StairMaster because you heard somewhere that that's the biggest

522
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: calorie burner. It's like, do something that you generally are

523
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: just curious and want to do and you think would

524
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Speaker 3: be fun, because I think that it takes it away

525
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: from I have to do this thing for a result,

526
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: and it allows you to experience movement in a space

527
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: that is purely for joy, and there is a point

528
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: where you realize that you will be sweating and panting

529
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: and whatever that thing is. I guarantee I've done almost

530
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Speaker 3: every type of movement that's out there, and I'm like,

531
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Speaker 3: there's not a time where I'm not working my body

532
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: in some way. You are gaining strength, you are moving

533
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: the needle in regards to maybe what your fitness goals are,

534
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: if you have those. But I think that's just a

535
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: really great kind place to start, is just to let

536
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: yourself explore and have a little fun in that space

537
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: because now, I mean the reality is I can go

538
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: and do you know, workouts that I generally don't necessarily

539
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: have the most fun in, but I can generate joy

540
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: in them because I know where it's moving me in

541
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Speaker 3: the space of you know, adventure and the things that

542
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: I love to do and condition my body in those ways.

543
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: But it took work to do it. I mean, it

544
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: didn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have these seasons where I think

546
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: I am really healthy about my perception of my body

547
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: and like what it can do and feeling that movement.

548
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: But for me, mental health has been a real it's

549
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: so it's so tied to my movement and whether I'm

550
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: doing it, even though in so many ways, movement for

551
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: me is the answer to improving my mental health. When

552
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: you're in one of those like I go up and down,

553
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: I have depression depressive cycles, like most people do. I

554
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: feel like yeah, but in the past couple of years,

555
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I've had two kids and that has impacted me in

556
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: different ways. And I mean there's just just all sorts

557
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: of things, all sorts of things have impacted mental health.

558
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: But as I am as I am, like getting my

559
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: body moving again in a way that I hadn't been

560
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: probably for like I don't know, the better part of

561
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, just like not

562
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: really moving like I was. As I started to feel

563
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: a lot weaker and I just and things that I

564
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: had done before it was hard to not compare myself

565
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: to what I was doing. I was like, oh, I

566
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: used to walk three miles a day when I was

567
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: nine months pregnant with my first child five years ago,

568
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: and now I'm walking up the hills in my neighborhood

569
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like wheezing. And I've had to work on

570
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: like just being a little bit gentler with myself. But

571
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: one of the things that has been a little troubling

572
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: for me is that. So I started to see a

573
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: trainer because you know, I wanted to gain muscle, because

574
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm feel weaker. I've never really

575
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: done any weight training. So I work with a trainer

576
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: and we started doing three a week sessions back in

577
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: August I and I kept and I was feeling stronger

578
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: and feeling better, and I was doing the thing. I

579
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: was pushing myself more every time I want to get this,

580
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: I want to do that, and make it heavier, heavier, heavier.

581
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: And then my body broke down and it it literally

582
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: the two weeks ago. It told me to sit my

583
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: ass down my elbow and I was like, oh, what's that,

584
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: Let's try again, eh ow, And then my my calf

585
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: went and my and I have just sort of like

586
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: had to slow down and I realized, uh oh, what

587
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I thought was a healthy way of approaching fitness, I

588
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: quickly had this like disordered way of looking at it,

589
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: and you know, was doing more and more in it,

590
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: and I moved away from this is to feel good,

591
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: to feel strong.

592
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: It's always going to be a journey. I maybe struggle

593
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: with it less frequently now because I've strengthened that muscle, right,

594
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: that mental muscle. But it's not that I don't ever

595
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: face that. I will tell you, like, this year has

596
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: been similar to what you're saying. You know, three years ago,

597
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: I was teaching multiple workouts a day, recording multiple workouts

598
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: a day, go go, go going. This year, could my

599
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: body do that? Now? It was all right?

600
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: So Kowa's as an entrepreneur is something that obviously really

601
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: suits your personality. Now you are doing these trips. You

602
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: said you run several businesses.

603
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: Well, I say, like, entrepreneurship is not for the faint

604
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: of heart. I truly don't believe it's for everyone, and

605
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: I don't believe that we all need to think that

606
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: it does. We're definitely in an era where everyone's really

607
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 3: pushing becoming an entrepreneur. But it really is not for everyone,

608
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: because yeah, I would say I do love it. It

609
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: is the thing that I was meant to do and

610
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: I and I just had a conversation Wednesday with a

611
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 3: friend where I told her if I won the lottery,

612
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: I would still wake up and do this, like it

613
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: is what I was made to do.

614
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: But is it hard?

615
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely? This year. You know, last year twenty twenty four

616
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: was a hard year. A lot of growth, a lot

617
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: of business growth. I had to push myself as a leader,

618
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: and so that's never comfortable or easy or pretty.

619
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Speaker 1: What's an example of a way that you pushed yourself

620
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: as a leader.

621
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Speaker 3: I think having to make a lot of hard decisions.

622
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: You know, I'm someone who my personal brand is very bubbly,

623
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: very up, and my joy in life is to be

624
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: your encourager and cheerleader. So when I have to deal

625
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: with partners that just don't meet me at the level

626
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: of expectation that we have agreed upon and it's not

627
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: working out well, it is hard for me to kind

628
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: of have to shift out of this hyper bubbly pixie

629
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: dust barbie and get to like this serious. And I

630
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: had to do that a lot, a lot in twenty

631
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: twenty four because I really do want to build things

632
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: in excellence, and yeah, it's non negotiable for me.

633
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: So is it that it's difficult for you to bring

634
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: out that like badass like laid on the law side

635
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: or is it that they are uncomfortable with it because

636
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: they think they're going to get Pixie dos Canoa.

637
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of both. But I truly

638
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: believe that I have and I'm working through it in

639
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: therapy because I think a lot of it is perception, right.

640
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to be perceived as like the angry

641
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: black woman, so but I also want to be very

642
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: clear and concise in my communication and I don't want

643
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: to damper down what I want to get across. But

644
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: I think I've struggled with how to do that from

645
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: a place of compassion and love because because the plus

646
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: sized community, I am so passionate and I am so

647
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: protective of that community because I know that they've probably

648
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: navigated through life feeling so dumped on and this is

649
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: something that I really want them to be built up

650
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: and empowered in. So I really take it seriously. But

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Speaker 3: I think that passion sometimes gets a little that she

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Speaker 3: gets a little serious girl.

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Speaker 1: That does sound complicated. It sounds like a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to take on for you.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's important to make people feel good about themselves, but

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Speaker 1: also canonia that might be a bit much. That sounds

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Speaker 1: like a lot of You already have so much on

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Speaker 1: your plate with just with your community, you know, and

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Speaker 1: as a member of that, I would call myself a

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Speaker 1: member of the of the community. And I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: don't sweat a girl. Just tell them, like, no, tell

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Speaker 1: her what it is a movie. I keep it moving. Twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five is going to be like a building year,

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Speaker 1: and you're not going to have like some in person

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Speaker 1: travel adventures.

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Speaker 3: The goal is to have some because I don't think

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Speaker 3: we can go from Ford to zero. And again, we're

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Speaker 3: the only company brand that's doing what we do how

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Speaker 3: we do it, and I want to offer something, So

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Speaker 3: we're looking at creative ways of doing that while we

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Speaker 3: simultaneously figure out how to bring it back bigger than

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Speaker 3: where we kind of left off in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Well, I mean, I just I hope you continue

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Speaker 1: nurturing this brand that you've built, and I know how fragile.

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Speaker 1: It can be when you're a business owner and you

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Speaker 1: are also the personality behind it and you are building

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Speaker 1: a community, and it is you know, I think we

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Speaker 1: need to check in on your black girl business owner

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Speaker 1: friends because all the research I'm doing for my book

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Speaker 1: now there's it. Genuinely is extremely difficult to become a

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Speaker 1: mature business owner. It's one thing for us to be

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Speaker 1: building and taking it to that next level and the

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Speaker 1: next level after that, and preserving our sanity and you know,

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Speaker 1: the other parts of life that bring us joy and illness,

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Speaker 1: it's hard.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you hit the nail on the head, the

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Speaker 3: preservation part. You know. I always tell people that the

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Speaker 3: process needs to be joyful and fun for me, and

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Speaker 3: if that means it's slower than I've perceived in my

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Speaker 3: mind that it should be, you know. I think that's

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Speaker 3: one of the things New York did me a disservice,

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Speaker 3: is because everything moves at the speed of light, and

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Speaker 3: everyone is a type and a go getter and a hustler,

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Speaker 3: and that's so the culture there, and for me now

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Speaker 3: it's been unlearning that and allowing myself to go slower,

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Speaker 3: and even though other people are building and going faster,

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Speaker 3: it does not mean that I'm not going I'm not successful.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that I'm not doing what I'm supposed

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Speaker 3: to be doing. I know that this my businesses will

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Speaker 3: continue to grow and thrive, but I will simultaneously be

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Speaker 3: happy and rested and self cared throughout the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I hope so, and I hope that

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Speaker 1: you know that you've got a friend over here who

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Speaker 1: gets it well. I am so happy that we finally

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Speaker 1: made this happen. Kenoa, thank you for being one of

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Speaker 1: our first guests of the new year. Where can people

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Speaker 1: your next year?

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Speaker 3: Can I agree?

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Speaker 1: R Iba fam Bye