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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noelan. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: week when we do something we like to call strange news.

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Speaker 1: Our adventures today take us too well. They take us

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Speaker 1: to space, they take us to the hearts of government secrecy,

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Speaker 1: and they take us to Grizzly Story in Alaska. Matt,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this earlier, the past few times.

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Speaker 1: You know, we decided a lot of this stuff on

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Speaker 1: the flight. You've got last is the third piece of

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Speaker 1: off by taking us to a helicopter. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting the chopper, Matt, get in the the chopper, Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: Well we can get to the Chopper. What I would

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Speaker 1: So let us let us move forward with this story

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Speaker 1: about a helicopter crash, very unfortunate tragedy that occurred in Alaska,

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Speaker 1: very very recently. There's a story in CNN that you

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Speaker 1: in Alaska. So there were five people on board a helicopter,

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Speaker 1: five of them perished, one of them survived. And this

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429
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Speaker 1: tales in the star cluster. Those are threads of stars

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Speaker 1: that have star did to come loose from the cluster,

431
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: both in front and behind it, meaning that something out

432
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: there in the ink is capable of moving an entire star.

433
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, do you even lift bro that's humbling. So

434
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: we've got we've got some excellent research from the European

435
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: Space Agency, which is where jereb Cova is, and the

436
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: European Southern Observatory. But the more they learn about it,

437
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: the more they notice from those simulations that they just

438
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: can't explain what's happening, but they can kind of gettish

439
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: sense of of the size, at least without knowing exactly

440
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: what it is. They believe that the best way for

441
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: them to explain whatever is eating these stars is to

442
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: say that it was something about ten million times the

443
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: mass of the Sun. That's how big something would need

444
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: to be to do this, getting right next door to

445
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: us in galactic terms. Uh, and that is so big

446
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't have had to necessarily be a collision

447
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: or necessarily be some kind of consumption, you know what

448
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like a black hole or whatever going through Instead,

449
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: for something that big, they would just need to have

450
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: a quote close interaction and what what could they have

451
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: a close interaction with? And that's why they're thinking dark matter.

452
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: Because even though we haven't proven the existence of dark

453
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: matter or haven't officially confirmed it to everyone's satisfaction, experts

454
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: calculate that dark matter makes up roughly eight percent of

455
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: all matter in the universe, meaning that we listening to

456
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and making this podcast today are very much in the

457
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: minority when it comes to matter. We know that this stuff,

458
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: if it exists, or we theorize it, if dark matter existed,

459
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: it was shape normal matter into the galaxies we all today.

460
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Speaker 1: And I thought of when I read this, I wanted

461
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Speaker 1: to share it with everyone because it reminds me of

462
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: a project we did a number of years ago, where

463
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: we've thought, what are the various ways the world could

464
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Speaker 1: end without you knowing too far in advance and without

465
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Speaker 1: you being able to stop it? Right, So, like the

466
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: decay of the natural environment is something that people can

467
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: see happening over time, but where one gamma ray burst

468
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: away from the end of the world. You guys remember

469
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: those things? Yeah, oh yeah, I want to learn more

470
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Speaker 1: about these what do they call them ben sub halos

471
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: dark matter sub halos. Yes, this is something from that

472
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Speaker 1: European Space Agency article that that I was looking at.

473
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Speaker 1: Ben UM. It's saying that these sub halos are naturally

474
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Speaker 1: occurring clumps of dark matter that are thought to help

475
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Speaker 1: shape the galaxy during its formation. Okay, so, like you

476
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Speaker 1: were saying, if dark matter is not just theoretical and

477
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: is real, then these chunks of it, these clumps of

478
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: dark matter, end up being the substructures. It's so interesting

479
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know, it's hard to it's hard

480
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: to even conceptualize in my mind, but but it would

481
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: make total sense. It would make total sense gravitationally, I guess,

482
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: or you know, because that's that's the thing that I

483
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: don't understand. If it's dark matter. Is it physically interacting

484
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: or is it just getting close enough to have a

485
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: gravitational pull essentially that then changes the star. I need

486
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: to get a degree or something or take a class.

487
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe we just need to do more mushrooms. Honestly,

488
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: maybe it will make more sense that I mean, you know,

489
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Speaker 1: I just watched the old Snyder cut we've been talking about,

490
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: and there's some kind of galaxy destroying concepts explored in that,

491
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, methos, I guess with the mother boxes and

492
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: what's it called ben the formula of like they're they're

493
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: searching for the dark sand side is searching for the

494
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: anti life, which I thought was a little unclear the

495
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: way it was spelled out. I'm sure it's much more,

496
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: uh you know, um fleshed out in the comics. But

497
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: it seems to be that things like infinity stones and

498
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: mother boxes and all that harness some kind of force

499
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that can you know, on on the on one side

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00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: be of creation, but then on the flip side b

501
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: of destruction. Uh. And I think that's kind of what

502
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about here a little bit, you know, the

503
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: real science e impetus behind you know, comic tropes like that. Yes, well,

504
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: the the anti life equation is uh, pretty much exactly

505
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: what they described in the Snyder cut. It was. It

506
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: was just a different time when they were making a

507
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: dark Side. Who came before Thanos? By the way, I

508
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: believe there's a story where Marvel creators came it came

509
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: together and said this dark Side guys, awesome, let's make one.

510
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Let's make him just different enough. Ripple is checking a

511
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, I completely agree with you in

512
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Speaker 1: terms of the look of it. But I actually brought

513
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Speaker 1: this up with a dear friend of mine who's visiting,

514
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: who's a super old school marble head, like he's you know,

515
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: pushing sixty, and I mean, you know, it was in

516
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: it when it was originally coming out, and I asked

517
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: him the very same thing where I was like, you know,

518
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: which came first, dark Side or Thanos? And I do

519
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: believe that what you're saying is absolutely correct, Ben, But

520
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: the idea of the mother boxes and the whole like

521
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: coalescing of these artifacts to make a big world destroying thing,

522
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: that because I think Thano's originally right exactly, Yeah, that

523
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: came later. Yeah, so we have competing mythologies speaking together.

524
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Speaker 1: But it turns out I I don't know, you know,

525
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: we'll move on here because I don't have uh much

526
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: report than there. Then that there is a huge thing

527
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: we don't know about. Uh. The species, the human species

528
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: and all the creatures that live on this planet are

529
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: essentially like the old trope of somebody who finds themselves

530
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: an endless open water of the ocean, unable to see

531
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: what swims beneath. That's the situation we're in. It just

532
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: happens to be in space. That's the announcement for today. Everybody,

533
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: live your normal lives to the fullest, because we don't

534
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: know what's coming. We have no idea when, and we

535
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: certainly have no way to prevent these sorts of galactic

536
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: disasters from occurring to our very own start. I know

537
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: I give it a hard time, specially in things like

538
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: our sunscreen episode, but we do need the sun much

539
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: more than it needs us. So UH, stay safe, everybody.

540
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say here. UH will

541
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsors, And provided we

542
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: don't get consumed entirely by some sort of as a

543
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: thought like entity, then we'll be back with more strange news.

544
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: And we're back. UH. And and and we're still in space now,

545
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not really in space in the concept of space.

546
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: And we'll start off with a headline from Forbes, an

547
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: article by Danny de plu cd. Headline is one is

548
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: shaping up to be the year of the UFO UM,

549
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: and that is, you know, for quite quite a few reasons. UM.

550
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: First and foremost, it appears that we are about to

551
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: get another mega document dump from the d O D

552
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: of de classified reports dealing with you know what in

553
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: popular culture and science fiction and television and all of

554
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: that is typically referred to as UFOs, but has been

555
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of rebranded to ground it a little bit in

556
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: the concept so it doesn't seem quite as scary as

557
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: U a p s. And we've talked about this many times,

558
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: but that is unidentified aerial phenomena UM. And John Ratcliffe,

559
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: who formerly served under the Trump administration as the Director

560
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: of National Intelligence Community, UH, and that was from May

561
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: to January of one. UM recently on Fox News, UM

562
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: speaking with Maria Bata Romo indicated that m a sighting

563
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: of one of these U a p s appeared to

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00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: break the sound barrier without making a sonic boom. And

565
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: this is a big deal, right, um, simply because you know, typically,

566
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: as you know, physics dictates when an aircraft uh reaches

567
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: the speed of sound um, and as it's increasing its speed,

568
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: the pressure around it. These waves, these pressure waves build

569
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: up and event really kind of combine and coalesced into

570
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: a single shock wave. And when the plane then beats

571
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: that shock wave, essentially you know, goes faster than that

572
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: shock wave uh and travels faster than the speed of

573
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: sound while in the air, it causes that pressure to

574
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: very quickly change, which creates an audible sound known as

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Speaker 1: a sonic boom. UM. And we in the science that

576
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: we know, in the physics and technology that we know,

577
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: as a civilization and as you know, pretty as a

578
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: pretty crafty and technologically minded species, obviously have not figured

579
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: out a way to to not have that thing happen.

580
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: It is certainly a thing that in order to let's say,

581
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: maintain covert operations, UH not give away your position that

582
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: scientists and engineers have worked to eliminate or reduce, but

583
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: they haven't figured out how to get rid of it entirely. Um.

584
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: And this report that's being dis gust here that appears

585
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: to be part of an upcoming information dump. Um, this

586
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: seems to have been documented. Uh. And Ratcliffe had this

587
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: to say of the Pentagon's position of some of the

588
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: stuff in this reported sighting. We always look for a

589
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: plausible explanation, you know, whether it can cause disturbances, visual disturbances.

590
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes we wonder whether or not our adversaries have technologies

591
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: that are a little bit further down the road than

592
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: we thought or what we realize. But there are instances

593
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: where we don't have good explanation for some of the

594
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: things that we've seen. Uh, and this is definitely one

595
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: of those. Uh. And in the reporting around this, UM,

596
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: there's conjecture that it's not quite clear why he decided

597
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: to talk about this at this exact moment, but that

598
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: it may well uh foreshadow a massive report that the

599
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Pentagon may be releasing soon and you know, in a

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00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: declassified form they have because Ratcliffe, Actually, that's exactly right,

601
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And and Ratcliffe said that prior to

602
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: leaving office, you know, at the end of of the

603
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: Trump administration, he was working to declassify a lot of

604
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: this stuff and it didn't quite work out. The timing

605
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: didn't work out. UM, So I don't know, it seems

606
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: like a like a the idea of the the year

607
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: of the of the UFO isn't too far off the

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: mark with some of the things that we've seen. Uh,

609
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: certainly some of the videos that were declassified showing some

610
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: pretty hard to explain aerial phenomenon. It does feel like

611
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: we have acknowledged as a government, as a country that

612
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: these things do exist, whether they're you know, we've talked

613
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: about with what that actually means, doesn't mean they're from

614
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: another dimension or from from you know, some other much

615
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: more advanced technologically advanced civilization. I don't think anyone is

616
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: saying that or that that's necessarily the first go to

617
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: explanation for this, but it's certainly interesting that it's being

618
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: discussed so openly now for the first time. Uh. And

619
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Speaker 1: isn't making as big as a splash as one might think. Yes,

620
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: And I know we talked about this a little while

621
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Speaker 1: back when this legislation was first passed through, right when

622
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: we're anticipating it, I guess. But it's really interesting to

623
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Speaker 1: see more and more officials come forward and discuss it

624
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: like this, just to hear what people are actually thinking

625
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Because you know, we too many

626
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: times we've been through this kind of thing before where

627
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: nothing really happens. Right now, I wanna um, I want

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Speaker 1: to jump to that whatever that U A p or

629
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Speaker 1: UFO was that went so quickly but didn't pop or

630
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Speaker 1: didn't make a large crack, didn't make a sonic boom.

631
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: It's sonic but did not boom. Correct, there you go,

632
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: went full sonic, no boom. But the I want to

633
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: talk about NASA's X fifty nine aircraft Ben's specifically it's

634
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: reminding me. It's reminding me of the X three seven

635
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Speaker 1: B that we've discussed before, except this one is and

636
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: it's meant to have a pilot in it at least one.

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00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: And it is a fascinating looking vehicle. No, this thing

638
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: is crazy one. And did you see that it's on

639
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: the Live Science article you linked us too. Yes, I

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00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: mean it looks like the X wing, you know, practically

641
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Speaker 1: it's it has that kind of I mean, it's like

642
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Speaker 1: I got a needle nose tip, kind of very very tapered,

643
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm very pointy. Uh. And yeah, it really looks like

644
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: a combination of some kind of spacecraft with some sort

645
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: of you know, supersonic spy plane. Yeah, it looks like

646
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: a pointy rocket with a human attached in there in

647
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: a couple of wings. As somewhat of an afterthought, but

648
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your take on this thing again,

649
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: just connecting it back to some of the X the

650
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: x UH project or the X class aircraft coming out

651
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: a NASA. Sure, yeah, so bideness. The thing here is

652
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: that by necessity, out of these projects are secret at

653
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: some point or classified, So it's quite possible that this

654
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: could be some sort of man made craft. It's also,

655
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: if we want to play a little more of the

656
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: skeptical end, it's also possible that there was some maybe

657
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: error in detection or error in technology that just didn't

658
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: allow people to register the sonic boom. But I think

659
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: that's pretty unlikely from the way it's reported. Uh and

660
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: and Ratcliffe, by the way, is when he says we

661
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: were hurrying to get that report out before the end

662
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: of the previous administration, he's referring to that one hundred

663
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: and eight day deadline that Congress gave gave the crew

664
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Speaker 1: to report everything about UFOs that they could reasonably declassify.

665
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: What's tricky and they have to check in to be

666
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: fair they have to check in every six months. I

667
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: think the way the order is written, but to be complete,

668
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: be honest, there are a lot of loopholes in this,

669
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Speaker 1: and they pertained to some of those X vehicles that

670
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Matt. Because if if the Pentagon says, okay,

671
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: we can explain this footage here. You know, it's our

672
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: X cool whip, which we called because we thought it

673
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: was a cool whip in the sky, but we couldn't

674
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: tell anybody about it because then various rival governments will

675
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: be aware of our capabilities, will no longer be able

676
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: to use this for surveillance, or to use this for reconnaissance,

677
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: or to use this for you know, in the extreme

678
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: cases an attack or a rescue mission or a targeted killing,

679
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: a k A and assassination. And and the name is

680
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: already trademarked ben cool Whip. I think Uncle Sam will

681
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: take care of that or has cool Whip bit of

682
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: government brought all along. That's that's the boy. But now

683
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, this like it does feel like this.

684
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: This maybe the quote unquote year of the UFO the

685
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: way forms phrases it. But also we've been in this

686
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: sort of alice in Wonderland, Jam yesterday, Jam tomorrow, never

687
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Jam today kind of situation with disclosure. So I would

688
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: pose it maybe not for the hardcore UFO enthusiasts or

689
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: people who study this closely, like Greenwalt, the guy who

690
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: made the Black Vault available online. Thanks if you're listening.

691
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: But but I would pose it that people are going

692
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: to encounter a bit of UFO fatigue unless they see

693
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: something really big in the coming weeks or months, because otherwise,

694
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it in the past. It's

695
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: strange how quickly the the most bizarre stuff becomes normalized

696
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: in human experience. Right, Like we just spent a year

697
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: sitting in our houses, many many people that like pandemic

698
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: life became a normal thing. And now are reports of

699
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: uh declassified UFO footage or unidentified aerial phenomena footage. Are

700
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: they becoming normalized themselves? Because you know, I can assure you,

701
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists, we spent years waiting for this stuff

702
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: that seems to come out like every month. Now it's

703
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 1: it's bizarre. Uh, it's indicative of something, but I don't

704
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: know what. Is it indicative of a change in government policy?

705
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: Is it indicative of m as. Some people have proposed

706
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: a larger aim to like slowly break the news to

707
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: people that uh UFOs are real and if so, or

708
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: are UFOs are real and non terrestrial in origin or

709
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, if so, I would question

710
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: the calculus. They're like, why why release that kind of

711
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: information incrementally? I know there's a logic, but I just

712
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how sound it is. What do you

713
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: guys think? Yeah, I don't know, man. What all I

714
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: know is that in this particular instance, the NASSA X

715
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: fifty nine was specifically designed to go super supersonic and

716
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: not make a big sound, and they are specifically they were,

717
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: at least in twenty nineteen, flying it above select US

718
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: communities to generate data from censors and quote people on

719
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: the ground in order to gauge public perception so they

720
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: could figure out, well, how how much does this bother

721
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: the people below? How many people are saying, Hey, there's

722
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: a weird thump that I heard. It wasn't really allowed,

723
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: but it was definitely a thump and I could feel

724
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: it in the middle of the night. It was weird.

725
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it was. Well, and there was

726
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: a thing of a light that was buzzing past really quickly.

727
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that was. Just for a second,

728
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: it was there, just for a second. I heard thump,

729
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: I woke up, I saw the light. I went back

730
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: to sleep. That depend to report they're hoping for, But

731
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: you're right, it doesn't that importantly though. It doesn't completely

732
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: negate the the boom, right, it's just like a very

733
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: good silencer for the boom. I think that's as close

734
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: as they've got it officially. It's an interesting place to

735
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: to to be. It's an interesting time to be alive.

736
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: A lot of very strange things kind of coalescing at

737
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: the same time, uh, socially, um, you know, biologically and

738
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: now with some of this stuff. But I guess the

739
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: thing that's always kind of blown me away about some

740
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: of these revelations, I think you're right, it's that it's

741
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: that UFO fatigue, right, unless we really start to see

742
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: some real day to come out, which I'm skeptical that

743
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: they would release anything that would, you know, be game

744
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: changing in that respect. But what we'll see, I mean,

745
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we've already seen in little

746
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: drips and drabs feels game changing to me, but also

747
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of uh, nothing's been really.

748
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: It feels like underwhelming the the elective you know response

749
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: and kind of like, well, okay, that's cool, but not

750
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: like mind blown territory. So I don't know what do

751
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: people want short of just like a gray stepping out

752
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: of a DeLorean, you know, and shaking hands with the president.

753
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: I got if it got caught in the Suez Canal,

754
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: it would get way more news coverage. Yeah, it seems

755
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: shade anything that affects my My Amazon deliveries are like

756
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: my stock portfolio that that makes the news. But yeah,

757
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomenon, uh, not so much. And dare you

758
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: have it? You know? Can you imagine how spoiled we

759
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: must look to people researching UFOs in the past, because

760
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: we're like another video, another video confirmed by the Pentagon

761
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: who denied it for decades. I guess I'll see if

762
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: the memes are fire, and then I'll decide if I

763
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: care about it. But that's that's Uh. This is an

764
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: interesting time and it's an amazing story to watch unfold.

765
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: And I think one thing we can agree on is

766
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: that we know for sure this is not the last

767
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: we'll hear about this from the Pentagon because again they

768
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: are obligated to produce that big report that you know,

769
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: it might be an info dump, it might be an

770
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: exercise in the overuse of black highlighters. We just don't

771
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: know at this point, but that that anticipation can keep

772
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: us going. I I really enjoyed this story, Nol, and

773
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I enjoyed you know, we had an aviation space thing

774
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: going on today. Uh, Matt, I, I agree with you

775
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: that the death of billionaires can move nations. The way

776
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: that some unknown force out there in the galaxy appears

777
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: to literally be moving stars and may head towards us.

778
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: We have no idea, no way to stop it. But

779
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much everyone for tuning in. We have

780
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Speaker 1: to know what you think about this. And I don't

781
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Speaker 1: know about you guys, but I'm specially interested in, uh

782
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: hearing whether anybody else has encountered or whether anybody has

783
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Speaker 1: really encountered UFO fatigue. Please let us know. We try

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