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Speaker 1: Paul Calvc. You know, you think you know a guy,

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Speaker 1: You think you can watch all the game film, and

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Speaker 1: you know if there was really a combine end or

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Speaker 1: a pro day for a medium where you think you

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Speaker 1: really know someone Danny, and then the day comes along

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Speaker 1: where all of a sudden there's a curveball out of

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Speaker 1: left field or in this case, a T shirt rock

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Speaker 1: by Danny Serek, that just makes you think twice about

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Speaker 1: a guy. I honestly didn't know that Darren Urban had

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Speaker 1: it in him. Danny Serek, as, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: use your imagination on this one. But you're wearing a

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Speaker 1: T shirt. Take it from there, Danny, what exactly are

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Speaker 1: you wearing? I am. I was gifted a T shirt

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Speaker 1: earlier this morning, Okay, by none other than Darren Urban.

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Speaker 1: It's like breaking news. It is, yeah, same day stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 1: can you commemorate our trip to the Combine this year?

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Speaker 1: So backstory my T shirt, I guess I'll start with

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Speaker 1: that is a very nice material and the picture front

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Speaker 1: and center, nice and large. It is actually high quality.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that it was a T

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Speaker 1: shirt that was worth wearing. It is worth wearing. So

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Speaker 1: the picture is our crew, most of our crew at

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Speaker 1: least that was there the whole week for the Combine.

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Speaker 1: So it's myself, it's Grayce and Troy one of our

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Speaker 1: videographer producers, Kyle Roni with the same title, and Darren Urban,

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Speaker 1: and we are sitting at a table at our favorite

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Speaker 1: local pub that we have spent many hours the last

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Speaker 1: two years, combined and we are taking a drink together

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Speaker 1: in this photo to commemorate it's our very first drink

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Speaker 1: of the trip. And so it's the four of us

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Speaker 1: at a table and Darren surprised all of us with

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Speaker 1: T shirts this morning, like the kind hearted person he is.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things are one. It was deep into

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Speaker 1: the evening of the first evening. It was not during

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Speaker 1: working hours. Let's make that very clear, all right, you

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Speaker 1: look pretty sober in that. Everyone has a nice, big smile.

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Speaker 1: No one's like, actually a good One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: best phone pictures I've ever seen. Should I take a

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Speaker 1: picture and put on my Twitter so people can see it?

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do that. I would also say that I'd

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Speaker 1: rather not have my wife see how much I spent

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Speaker 1: on those four T shirts, because it was more than

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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be. You kind of

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Speaker 1: look almost like you're in a ski lodge because Danny

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Speaker 1: has the nit cap on, Like if I want to

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Speaker 1: know in the context, so I think like Danny's like

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Speaker 1: a professional snowboarder or something. She's got earned skateboarder. She's

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Speaker 1: got the nick cap on, And okay, all right there

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Speaker 1: you go. Once again. I didn't know Darren had it

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Speaker 1: in him to be quite so thoughtful, just when you

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Speaker 1: thought he was a hardened veteran, a grizzled media member

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Speaker 1: of all these years and then boom out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just the resourcefulness of it all, the thoughtfulness

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Speaker 1: it again. Darren is actually more fun than you might expect.

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Speaker 1: And I stand by that statement. You have said that

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Speaker 1: multiple times. Every time. It sounds like the most backhanded complimation.

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Speaker 1: I know it does, and I don't mean it to

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Speaker 1: sound that way. Last thing, and we'll move on here

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Speaker 1: because there's plenty to discuss on Cardinal's underground brought you

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Speaker 1: by Pacific Office automation. But is it causing effect based

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Speaker 1: on what Darren's holding in his hand? And that is

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Speaker 1: something that looks to be um pretty high proof alcohol?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Is that what you're saying, Danny? Does it take?

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Speaker 1: become that fun guy you speak of? No, Darren was

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Speaker 1: fun before we had some good some alcoholage, you know,

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Speaker 1: after work out a well, like you said, it was

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Speaker 1: Can we drink to the latest mock drafts that'll come

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Speaker 1: out speaking of the same day, right about the same

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Speaker 1: time that you were being handed that T shirt. Right there, Danny,

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Speaker 1: we got a mel Khiper mock draft updated, we got

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Speaker 1: a Daniel Jeremiah three point zero. Both of them have

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals taking and four. Effect here envelope, please

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson. Now there's a different method by which the

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Speaker 1: to mel Kiper, the Arizona Cardinals will trade down from

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Speaker 1: taking Will Levis goes number three overall. To the Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Where does he have Richardson going? Did you see Mel

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Speaker 1: pulled you mean the Colts the Colts? No, Richardson goes

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Speaker 1: the Colts trade with the Cardinals three to four. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I thought you said Levis. I thought I heard Levis Levis. Uh,

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Speaker 1: has the Colts taken Anthony Richardson. So okay, so where

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Speaker 1: you go. Either way, the Cardinals end up with Will Anderson.

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Speaker 1: And that's sort of my takeaway on this one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Who's to say the Cardinals would only trade down once

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Speaker 1: you trade a four? What if you trade back again

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Speaker 1: and really rack up that draft capital. Well, after you

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Speaker 1: trade DeAndre Hopkinson and you get a couple of picks there,

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Speaker 1: then you know it's gonna be a lot of picks, Danny.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, what do you know, Paul, I'm

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Speaker 1: into focus I believe was the terms as the trade

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of like the horse racer and

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Speaker 1: and Hop posted this TikTok, which is a popular trend

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Speaker 1: How about that unplanned? But yes, that would pull that Darren.

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Speaker 1: So so if it didn't already feel clear enough, it

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Speaker 1: does feel like Hop will not be playing. Here's my point.

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately you or you look at this. You

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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee show. I mean, DeAndre said he wasn't going

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Speaker 1: But him saying that while talking about how he reading

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Speaker 1: One quick follow up question for Danny, because I did

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Speaker 1: see that clip that was posted somebody put it on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear up, holl Just the meme itself or the

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Speaker 1: like I'm not going to tell you it's a secret,

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Speaker 1: guy Will Anderson. Right. So if you go to the

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen draft, which was notable and memorable for the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Bears came up to number two and

428
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Speaker 1: took Mitchell Trubisky headed to Shaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes, Right,

429
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Speaker 1: we all remember that and you're like, well, wait a minute,

430
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Speaker 1: what did the Bears give up to move up one spot?

431
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Speaker 1: And it turns out they gave up a third round pick,

432
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Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, number sixty seven, and number one eleven,

433
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Speaker 1: a third round pick in the next draft. So that's

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Speaker 1: what they gave up, two third rounders and a fourth

435
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Speaker 1: rounder to move up from three to two. The thing

436
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Speaker 1: is about that, and to me, that draft is fascinated

437
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Speaker 1: to me too, And I understand where we weren't playing

438
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Speaker 1: as deep of the pool as the top pick, but

439
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: that's that's the draft where the Cardinals were fifteen thirteen

440
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Speaker 1: or thirteen rather and they were considering getting Mahomes or

441
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Speaker 1: Watson or Watson, and they were thinking on one of

442
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Speaker 1: the two was going to drop and then what happened,

443
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: Ye two teams moved in front of him and got

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Speaker 1: those guys. So again, that's the kind of thinking, even

445
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Speaker 1: though it's it was a little further back, that's the

446
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of thinking the Colts are probably going to have

447
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Speaker 1: in the back of their head. We don't want to

448
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Speaker 1: be sitting here expecting a guy to be here and

449
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Speaker 1: then have him not be there. I feel like to

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Speaker 1: the Colts they seem desperate, no, like to really just

451
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Speaker 1: turn things around. That if you're sitting there at four

452
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Speaker 1: and to then have that taken out from under you.

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Speaker 1: If the Cardinals make a trade back with somebody else

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Speaker 1: and suddenly the quarterback you wanted, like, I feel like

455
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Speaker 1: it would make sense for them to want to trade

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Speaker 1: up and give what the Cardinals want in return for that.

457
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Speaker 1: I mean, there was that stat before the Broncos made

458
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Speaker 1: the big deal for Russell Wilson. They had ten different

459
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Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks in five years. Ever since Peyton Manning had retired.

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Speaker 1: So think about Indianapolis ever since Andrew Luck retired out

461
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Speaker 1: of nowhere. How many different retreads that they had. Philip

462
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Speaker 1: Rivers had some success a little bit, but I think

463
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Speaker 1: of the different number of quarterbacks that the Colts have had,

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Speaker 1: so desperation, Yes, I would say so. I mean, you

465
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Speaker 1: don't even have to if we want to keep this local, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Danny wasn't around, but and Kurt Warner retiring

467
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Speaker 1: wasn't really out of the woodwork. Yeah, but this team

468
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Speaker 1: went through some hard, hard times trying to find that replacement.

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Speaker 1: And would you say there there was desperation by the

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Speaker 1: decision makers Yes, to a large degree. Yes, Kevin Cobb

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Speaker 1: trade sees right. I mean you're prone to taking big swings,

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Speaker 1: which can result in big missus. I think too. Having

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Speaker 1: a new head coach, that's kind of you want to

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Speaker 1: basically put all your chips in not all your chips

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Speaker 1: in one basket, but you want to go big while

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Speaker 1: you're making all these changes. So to me, I don't

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Speaker 1: understand why the Colt Maybe maybe that's what's happening. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you're are talks trying to figure things out. But to me,

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Speaker 1: if you're the Colts, why would you take that risk

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Speaker 1: to knock get your quarterback? Okay, so here's my question

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Speaker 1: to both of you. Okay, because right now the Colts

482
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Speaker 1: have Gardner Minshew is the big quarterback signing. Okay, so whoever,

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Speaker 1: let's say the Colts do want to trade up. If

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Speaker 1: you're the Cardinals, what are you doing? Are you pinching

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Speaker 1: them for everything under the sun? Or you saying, okay,

486
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Speaker 1: this team might want to trade with us. It's worth

487
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Speaker 1: it to move back one and get one extra pick.

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Speaker 1: I pronoun the mel Kiper mock. I'd send it to

489
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Speaker 1: Chris Ballad and say mel Kiper says we should get

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Speaker 1: a second and a third, we'll take that. I would

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Speaker 1: say two picks. You would say two picks. Yeah, I mean,

492
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Speaker 1: especially because if you know they're going to take a quarterback,

493
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Speaker 1: there are very few positions that you would otherwise that

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Speaker 1: I feel like I would warrant that. I don't disagree,

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Speaker 1: and if if you've got somebody else on the hook, maybe,

496
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Speaker 1: But I guess my point is this, because again we

497
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Speaker 1: keep talking about the Colts being desperate and the Colts

498
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Speaker 1: wanting to play chicken. If you're the Cardinals and the

499
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Speaker 1: Colts are like, we will give you our second round pick,

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Speaker 1: that is it. And you're the Cardinals and you you

501
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Speaker 1: get Will Anderson or you get Will Anderson in the

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Speaker 1: second round. Pick. Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like

503
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Speaker 1: you're you're playing a little chicken there. Maybe maybe maybe

504
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Speaker 1: the Colts say you take that or you leave it

505
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Speaker 1: right and yeah, and for you for the Arizona Cardinals,

506
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Speaker 1: that's an ideal scenario. Yeah, yeah, we are that you

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Speaker 1: don't want taking off the table. So if it does

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Speaker 1: get offered, yeah, it's you know, I think there's there's

509
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Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of scary things going on here

510
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Speaker 1: for both sides. I'm sure I could see that. Okay, Um,

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Speaker 1: you it's the it's the old thing like don't if

512
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Speaker 1: you don't want somebody to call your bluff, don't bluff

513
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: because they might call your bluff. By the way, Tennessee,

514
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Speaker 1: could Tennessee be sort of sitting there and could they

515
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Speaker 1: be sort of a sleeper? What are they? Where are they?

516
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Speaker 1: What exactly are they doing? Did you say that? I

517
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: mean Ryan Tannehill outside the top ten right or they

518
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: Tennessee at eleven? Okay, so what are they doing exactly?

519
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Speaker 1: There is some speculation that Ryan Tannehill could get cut,

520
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: that Ryan Tannehill could get dealt I even have a

521
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: buddy of mine who's a hardcore Cardinals fan, who said

522
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill is the sleeper quarterback the Cardinals at at

523
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Speaker 1: some point because of the relationship with Tennessee. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting, but I didn't even think of that one. Well,

525
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: mostly because he's not loose right now. I just think

526
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Speaker 1: that's too big a name to bring into the fold

527
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: to back up with Kyler Murray. That might really muddy

528
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: the waters, you know what I mean. If you have

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Speaker 1: a guy who's that's a good point actually, you know,

530
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: taking teams to number one seeds in the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: is a proven that you know, that could be a

532
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: little problematic for your existing franchise quarterback. As we all

533
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Speaker 1: know who's the most popular guy in town the backup.

534
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: So but anyway, that's out there, a little bet on

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Speaker 1: the radar. How about let's talk about some of these

536
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: recent signees that are now official. Zach Pascal receiver, formerly

537
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: the Eagles and before that of the Colts. So he

538
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: has a relationship with Jonathan Gannon with not one but

539
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: two teams, and if you go back to twenty nineteen

540
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Pascal had a couple of good years, he

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Speaker 1: had more than forty catches, he had more than six

542
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: hundred yards, receiving five touchdowns each campaign. Now in a

543
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: loaded Eagles roster. Last year he had fifteen catches for

544
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Speaker 1: just over one hundred yards, one touchdown, did play in

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Speaker 1: all seventeen games. Bigger guy six two two fifteen. So

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Speaker 1: I think that checks a box, right, we all agree

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Speaker 1: with that. He's already the tallest receiver on the roster. Yes,

548
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: he yes, not on the roster of the main players.

549
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: We don't want to like that. Fair and well, Tweezy

550
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: Antoine West Tweezy is not on the roo. He's not

551
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: currently on the roster. He is a current year dang,

552
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: even with a tiny mic. I thought maybe he got

553
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: like it was like an extra position for the guy

554
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: with a tiny mic no social media. Well, we do

555
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: have some open positions in our department. So yeah, he was.

556
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: He was not very happy with me for doing the

557
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: tiny mic at the combine. That's true. He had some

558
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: choice words for me. Really friendly. I mean in a

559
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: joking manner. I think park park joking. But he's sort

560
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: of proprietary, he's sort of he Yeah, he saw me.

561
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: I was walking I was walking through the weight room

562
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: and he thought I was coming for his tiny mic job,

563
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: and I said nope. I said, if you're here next year,

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00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll give it back to you. Yeah. So okay, Well,

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00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: it's constant competition in the NFL. That's how it works,

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Speaker 1: even for the tiny mic. That's you know, there's always

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00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: there's always a Danny Serek is ready to take your

568
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: job if you're not producing. That's how it works in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Oh that much? Did he say think about

570
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: the tiny mic flag? No, I don't think so. I

571
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: don't think so. That was next level. Who was responsible

572
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: for getting that was Grayson and Kyle shirt got my

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00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: shirt if you're a reference once again, Danny's gonna tweet

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00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: that out later a picture ubber shirt. So that's good. Okay,

575
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: So let's see Zach Pascal is on board. And then

576
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: as of this recording just came out right before we

577
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Speaker 1: cracked open the mics, we have LJ. Collier coming on board.

578
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: Former first round pick by the Seahawks twenty nineteen defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: first rounder, formerly out of TCU. What else do we

580
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Speaker 1: remember and know about l J. Collier? He's been injury prone. Unfortunately,

581
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: he's been beat up. He never quite got to the

582
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Speaker 1: level that you would hope for a first round pick,

583
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Speaker 1: but he did start every game back in his second season.

584
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: Um got three sacks that year, and again for a

585
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: team that needs some defensive lineman, he's got. He's got

586
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: some pedigree because of his his draft status, and you

587
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: give yourself a chance to see what he might have.

588
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I've already seen one tweet from response from my tweet

589
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: that said the Cardinals signed him from a Seahawks fan saying,

590
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: if he goes and balls out for the Cardinals, I'm

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00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: gonna be blank. Well, you know what they I mean,

592
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I think can we all agree that if you're going

593
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: to take a chance in a first round or give

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00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: him a one year proved deal, see what they have,

595
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: especially if there's a lot of one year proved deals

596
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: out there, especially with Byron Murphy, if they've been plagued

597
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: by injuries, then okay, let's see what happens. And then

598
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: you consider the Cardinals definitely have a want and need

599
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: along that defensive line. So I mean, you know what

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00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Seahawks fans, all the twelves out there, I'm pencil and

601
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: in LJ. Collier right next to Will Anderson on that

602
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: defensive line. So you know what, just deal with it, Okay, Seattle.

603
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: I know that when you ask the question a week

604
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: or two go to a press conference to Jonathan Gannon

605
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: Darren about a scheme for a base defense, and he said,

606
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: we're not really going to have one. Kind of feels

607
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: a little different with some of these free agency signings. Now,

608
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: I reached out to my counterpart with the Eagles, and

609
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: I said, okay, what kind of defense do they run

610
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: last year? Now again, I've been told, actually on questions

611
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: that I had, this isn't cutting paste. Nick Rowlis told

612
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: me that the like the first day I met him,

613
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: this isn't a cut and paste from the twenty twenty

614
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: two Eagles. However, I was told that, yes, the Eagles

615
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: used some three four alignments at times, and they did

616
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: some of the things, but they were in four down

617
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Speaker 1: linemen most of the time, just the LJ. Collier or

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00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: the Kaiser White though. That's what these signings are telling

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Speaker 1: me that I think ultimately the base, the quote unquote

620
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: base is going to be a four three gotcha, We'll see. Okay,

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Speaker 1: That's what it was on the Eagles website last year.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was told, so in that configuration, where

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Speaker 1: does Isaiah Simmons play? Hate to bring it back to

624
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons again, but speaking of questions that aren't getting

625
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: answered to these press conferences, the base defense is one,

626
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: and where will Isaiah Simmons be deployed is another. Is

627
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: the fact that a four to three most likely appears

628
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: to be the base defense? Does that help us answer

629
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Speaker 1: the Isaiah Simmons I mean, could you play reverse engineer

630
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: at Darren? Can you? Can you play him at the

631
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Speaker 1: sam in a four to three? According to Ron Wolfley,

632
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: it's worth a try. We'll see. I don't know. Still

633
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: waiting for the fullback. I don't know. Um, I mean,

634
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: so you'd have Collins as your middle linebacker and Kaiser

635
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: White as your as your weak side, and your Isaiah

636
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Speaker 1: you as your strong side. I don't know. I mean,

637
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I I don't know what's going to happen yet until

638
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: they get some more cornerbacks in here. I'm not ruling

639
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: out what they did last year, which was essentially if

640
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: you count Simmons as a safety, three safeties. Yeah, if

641
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: you look at the analytics, he got his most snaps

642
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: at slot corner. Isaiah Simmons in twenty twenty two. And

643
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm not especially proud of this hot take I had

644
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: earlier today in the Red Sea Report with Drew stan

645
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: and Craig Grilew, But I'll throw this out there. What

646
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: are the odds that Isaiah Simmons is traded before they

647
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: ever have to make a decision about his fifth year option?

648
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: That's may second, That fifth year option question comes right

649
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: after the draft. What are the odds? I can tell

650
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: I have not even thought about that possibility. What are

651
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: the odds he doesn't necessarily have a position? And I

652
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: threw out there another former first round pick by the

653
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: name of Daown Buchanan. It was a ball player you

654
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: just didn't know where, like where exactly is Daon becaan

655
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: and best suited? And if you're thinking that's a similar

656
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: conundrum with Isaiah Simmons. And once again, this is complete

657
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: abject speculation. This is just me thinking out loud because

658
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: the coaches actually won't answer any of this. So I

659
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: have no idea what they're thinking. I am really doing.

660
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: We have no idea what they're thinking. So and they

661
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: may not know exactly, yet there's no reason not to

662
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: believe him. They say we got to get these guys

663
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: out on the grass and figure out what they look

664
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: like and how they fit. Well, what are the odds

665
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: that because remember the end of last season, Vance Joseph

666
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: sort of had a somewhat telling assessment of Isaiah Simmons

667
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: when he said, he's really designed to play in space? Okay,

668
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: where how how do you utilize him maximize the skill set?

669
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: To me, I've been thinking that the Cardinals will probably

670
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: not pick up his fifth year option, and this is

671
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 1: the year you use to figure out where he fits

672
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: in the defense. I hadn't really thought so far as

673
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: you possibly trade him somewhere. The issue, the issue if

674
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: you don't pick up the option. The only thing is

675
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: if you don't pick up the option and then you

676
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: figure out where he's supposed to play and you have

677
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: another Hassan Reddick. That's what you're trying. That's what that's

678
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: that's what scared him. See, ideally, you would have answered

679
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: this question going into yes, this may last season would

680
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: have answered this question. That's the rub. That's what's vaccine

681
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: about this situation. You're like, oh man, you really need

682
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: a year to figure it out with this coaching staff. Well,

683
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily you don't have that luxury, and if

684
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: he kills the next season and he blows up, then

685
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, guess what you're looking at, potentially

686
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: losing him like son Reddick. The other side of it

687
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: is that maybe he's just not a fit with what

688
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: you're going to run, and before the player becomes a

689
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: completely known commodity, then you deal that player while there's

690
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: still upside theoretically and maybe a better fit elsewhere. That's

691
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: the only m because if he's truly designed a play

692
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: in space, then we make him part of a four

693
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: to three. Is he suited to play in the box,

694
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: regardless of whether it's Will or Sam, it's a fair question.

695
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: So that's just me wondering, and once again it was

696
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: my hot take of the week as to what exactly, well,

697
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, like coming to wonder vance Joseph said

698
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: many times this was a player that was built to

699
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: move around, and then you wonder a little bit, okay,

700
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: is it was Vans doing that because there wasn't a

701
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: place that he made sense, one place that made sense

702
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: for Vans. He also had the comment he's built to

703
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: cover the or he was drafted to cover the tight end.

704
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: That was the other comment about Isaiah Simmons. So in

705
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: some ways, yeah, he's the guy you put on George

706
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: Kittle when you played the Niners twice a year. You know,

707
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: the Tyler Higgsby's of the world when you take on

708
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: the Rams. Okay, but you know, I'm very curious to

709
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: know what Jonathan Gannon, Nick Rowlis, what they think of

710
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: him and the fact he got the highest percentage of

711
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: snaps last year at slot corner and whether that might

712
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: be feasible in this system. No idea. So, by the way,

713
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: Jonathan led Better. He also signed David Blow on a

714
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: one year. These are almost all one year deals, are

715
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: they not. The David Blow signing is so interesting to

716
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: me because now you have David Blow, and you have

717
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: Cult McCoy as your backup quarterbacks, and some of the

718
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: other names free agents that were not even reportedly talking

719
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals, but just names that had been brought

720
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: up as might make sense to come sign with the Cardinals,

721
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: most of them having some sort of connection with a

722
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: coach on this new staff have pretty much signed elsewhere.

723
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that was a huge contributing factor,

724
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: or I'm wondering what the plan is, if you're not

725
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: expecting Kyler Murray to be ready to start the season,

726
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: are you expecting to have a competition and it'll be

727
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: McCoy or Blow and that's what you're going to go with.

728
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: Are you still looking to see if there's another option

729
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: that's going to become available to you at some point

730
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: and this is just in case that's not available. Is

731
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: this because cult McCoy had some unknown procedure and so

732
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: maybe you want to just have a quarterback to start

733
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: the offseason program. And that's what this is about. I

734
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of reasons that could be

735
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: behind the David signing. Yeah, maybe ultimately by the time

736
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: we get to camp, maybe there's a rookie quarterback on

737
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: Day two or day three of this draft that's in

738
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: the Cardinals future. Probably day three, I would think, and

739
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, guess what it's Blow versus

740
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: McCoy for the backup quarterback spot, and then that rookie

741
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: is QB three, Especially if Kyler's ahead of schedule and

742
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: you're thinking he's gonna be on the field before Halloween. Okay,

743
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: that could be feasible, that could be, But you're right,

744
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, who's left on the open marketing right now?

745
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan, Jacoby Brissette went to Washington,

746
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: Baker went to Tampa. Sam Donold's with the Niners, Taylor

747
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: Heineke's with Atlanta. Here we go, Darren Any Dalton's with Carolina.

748
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: I know you're thinking about this, Mike White with Miami,

749
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham with Denver Gardner, Minshew Indianapolis, Marcus Mariota with Philly,

750
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: and then p J. Walker went to Chicago. You're not

751
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: to me bringing back David Blou tells me that you're

752
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: not going to get another veteran if you're gonna go

753
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: get an arm that's out of school, whether it's a

754
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: late draft pick or a middle draft pick, middle round

755
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: draft pick, or it's an undrafted rookie. To me, you've

756
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: got your two veterans that you're going to have with

757
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. That's that's how I read that. Now, I

758
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: guess if you found somebody, some veteran that made sense

759
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you don't have to keep

760
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: David blow necessarily, or I mean it's a one year deal.

761
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: I can't imagine he got a lot of money. Up front.

762
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: So wouldn't it be something if the Cardinals somehow I

763
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: ended up drafting cornerback Christian Gonzalez, Blow's brother in law.

764
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: There you go, maybe that's well family affair. Who by

765
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: the way, they're absolutely trading down from three, then Christian Gonzalez.

766
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: Almost every mock that I see is a top ten pick.

767
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's a Most people think he's

768
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: the best cornerback available and if not to be the

769
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: Illinois quarterback cornerback right Unfortunately for him, he's been banged

770
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: up and he hasn't done any workouts for anybody. And

771
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think Gonzalez with as much. Again, he's

772
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: a guy who's he's only twenty right now, and yet

773
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: he's um He's had three years of starting football in college,

774
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: and he's off the charts in terms of his measurable

775
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: So I would think he would be the first cornerback

776
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: off the board, which doesn't always mean anything. Jeff Acuta

777
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: has done really nothing in his career and he was

778
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: just with the third overall pick a couple of years ago.

779
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: What the odds Gonzalez goes to the Seahawks at number five.

780
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: He just he has that size of a Seahawks corner,

781
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: and then they have the best tandem of corners arguably

782
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL, with all due respective Sauce Gardner and

783
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: whoever's playing to him. But I mean to put to

784
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: Reek Woolen and at Christian Gonzalez, I think they have

785
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: the chance Gade. Christian Gonzalez hasn't done Jack Diddley on

786
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: the NFL level, And we just got through saying Jeff

787
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: Acuda never did right out. Yeah, but I mean one

788
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: of the mocks had what uh uh? The the kid

789
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: from Jay Carter, I mean a Seahawk fan the twelves,

790
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: You think he had issues with LJ. Collier. Get ready

791
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: for a Jail and Carter. Take it from those of

792
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: us here in the AZ who watched Robert Kimdici, supposedly

793
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: arguably the most talented player in the draft who had

794
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: other issues that derailed his NFL career. Could Jail and Carter?

795
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I bring that up because before we walked in,

796
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: NFL Network was showing video Jail and Carter's Pro day workout.

797
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, slow. He put on like reportedly nine

798
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: pounds since the combine. He was like trailing other guys badly.

799
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: A lot of the drill finished drills. Yeah, he gave

800
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: up after the combine, So I know he's got a

801
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: lot going on off the field, and maybe once you

802
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: know his personal life, he gets that answered and resolved,

803
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: and maybe his professional life takes off. But I would

804
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: be afraid, very afraid if I'm Seattle number five going

805
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: for jail and Carter. Now watch the Cardinals take him

806
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: number three. Overall, we'll see. I don't know. It's a

807
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: complete unknown, but man, there's there's a lot there that

808
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: could be. Speaking of linemen, I mean, how much more

809
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: these Jonathan leadbetters are the Cardinals going to have to

810
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: sign on either side of the line at this point?

811
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Are you expecting more and more of these established, you know,

812
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: low cost one year deals with just just to get

813
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: bodies and numbers. And I don't know what exactly you're

814
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: able to do out of the get go with the OTA,

815
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: especially with the new staff. I don't know how soon

816
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: you can take the field, but right now, I'm not

817
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: even sure you can get eleven on eleven going right now, Well,

818
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: if you think about the offensive line, you still need

819
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: a starting center and a possible left guard. Not really

820
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: knowing what the plan with Josh Jones is yeah, I

821
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: mean I think at this point you you still need

822
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: a center, although Lucidas Smith, I guess would give you

823
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: some snaps there right now and we'll see what happens

824
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: with Marquis Hayes as in terms of a guy you

825
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: could plug in a guard. But yeah, they still need

826
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: to they need to sign offensive linemen, they need to

827
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: sign defensive lineman. I mean, once we if we're talking

828
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: about practice in the summer and what you need, you

829
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: you probably need a few things. You know, you probably

830
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: need another tight end up because zach Ertz isn't going

831
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: to be doing anything true. You know you're gonna need

832
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: some cornerbacks. By the way, what is a timetable in

833
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: zach Ertz for all to talk about Kyler? Maybe it's

834
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: just me, but I'm trying to remember what's our expectation

835
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: on zach Ertz. Wasn't it October his injury? And I

836
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: remember that he said when he talked after the Gannon

837
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: press conference, he said he was doing well and he

838
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: would be ready for the season, is all he said.

839
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: So I would anticipate at this point and kind of

840
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: seeing him walking around and stuff, I wouldn't be stunned

841
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: if he gives me a feel like, Okay, maybe you

842
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: start training camp on pup and you come back at

843
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: some point in those first couple of weeks. Maybe. And

844
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: that's a pure guess. I'm not speaking for Zach or

845
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: any medical professionals, and I did not stay at a

846
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: holiday and Express last night. But but you've been doing

847
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Speaker 1: this long enough to take an educated guest. I feel

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Speaker 1: like he's going to be a guy that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: on popping at some point during training camp he comes off.

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Speaker 1: That's that would be my guess, right, gotcha? Okay, And

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Speaker 1: I could be totally wrong, Okay, all right, I'm just

852
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Speaker 1: trying to fill in some of the blanks on the

853
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Speaker 1: depth chart right now. So once again we got LJ.

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Speaker 1: Collier along that defensive line. Once again, I have Will

855
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Speaker 1: Anderson next to him, and then Kaiser White playing behind

856
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Speaker 1: those two guys. By the way, Danny, what was Kaiser

857
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Speaker 1: White like in the TV studio when you guys, dude,

858
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Speaker 1: you're one on one TV interview. He was great, He

859
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Speaker 1: had great energy, was very personal, he was very friendly

860
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Speaker 1: even after the interview, wanting to talk with of us,

861
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Speaker 1: kind of get to know us a little more. I

862
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: thought his answers are really good, especially when talking about

863
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: being reunited with Jonathan Gannon and Nick Rawlis and why

864
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Speaker 1: that factored into his decision to sign with the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: how they bring out his best play, the expectations he's

866
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Speaker 1: setting for himself as somebody who understands their expectations and

867
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Speaker 1: their scheme to come in and help the rest of

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Speaker 1: the defense get up to speed. I really, I really

869
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Speaker 1: thought that it was a pretty good interview, and I

870
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Speaker 1: liked his answers. That's on our official YouTube channel and

871
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Speaker 1: website and Twitter as well to go check that out. Actually,

872
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: so we had his junior college coach, former Arizona Cardinals

873
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: defensive line Mark Dooda, going back to Ron Wolfley's era.

874
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Speaker 1: They are actually roommates in training camp once upon a time,

875
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Speaker 1: and he just talked about the energy of a Kaizer

876
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Speaker 1: White and then we talked with Drew Stanton unread Sea

877
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Speaker 1: Report and just how invaluable those guys are. It's dog

878
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Speaker 1: day is a training camp, and he's one of those

879
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: kind of guys like, all right, look we're not having

880
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: a bad practice today. Everybody gets your energy up. He said,

881
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Speaker 1: those are the kind of guys you need, and he

882
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: sort of strikes me that way, sort of a reflection

883
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Speaker 1: of a Jonathan Gannon energy level. The way everyone talks

884
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Speaker 1: about him and his game, I could see him being

885
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: that guy. I could see him calling this defense, considering

886
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: he comes with such a knowledge of it from Philly,

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Speaker 1: and he's been durable. He hasn't missed a lot of

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00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: games due to injurying his career, and I think that's

889
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: important as well, especially with the luck that this team

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00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: has had. Yeah, knock on Wood over here. All seventeen

891
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: games two years ago for the Chargers and he had

892
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: a team high one hundred forty four tackles, and then

893
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: last year hundred and ten tackles, and he played in

894
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: all the games for Philly all the way through the

895
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So look, I think this coaching staff is

896
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: identified some under the radar players that they think have potential.

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00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: Kaiser White as one, Zach Pascal would be another, you know,

898
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Speaker 1: and they're not going to kill you under the cap,

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Speaker 1: but maybe they have a little bit more like a

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Speaker 1: Pascal just got buried with all those weapons and all

901
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: that talent on that Eagles team. So is gonna be

902
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver one? Absolutely not. But if you're gonna run

903
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: three receivers out there quite a bit, then he can

904
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: definitely be part of that rotation and be effective. So

905
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: I see a method to the madness and some of

906
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: these signings, I guess is what I'm hinting at. And

907
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: you got to figure Okay, it makes you feel better

908
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: when coaches or personnel people have had one on one

909
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: daily interaction and experience with some of these guys you're signing.

910
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: It's not such an unknown, So you have that. What else, Darren?

911
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: What else is anybody hitting up on the mailbag these days?

912
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: What is there anything you know that you've had, you've

913
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: tamped down in the mailbag? What's going on over there? No,

914
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything in particular with the mail bag.

915
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: I think we hit some of that last week. There

916
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: was still people upset about the Zach Allen and Byern

917
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: Murphy stuff. But well, speaking of the Cardinals, brought back

918
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: into a new Hamilton that's true, which will help them

919
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: at cornerback. I thought Hamilton played pretty solid when he played,

920
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: obviously coming back from those the horrible burns that he had,

921
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: and he's a great story and he's another guy I

922
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: think he's good in the locker room, So you know,

923
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: we will we'll see how that kind of progresses. I mean,

924
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: if you're using three or four corners quite a bit

925
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: in today's NFL, then he's definitely worthy of that third

926
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: or fourth cornerback spot. He had a great camp obviously,

927
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: then he had the cooking accident and the foot injury

928
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: and he was never maybe quite the same, And so

929
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, what would his season have been like if

930
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: not for that freak accident, because that's how well he

931
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: was playing in Campell. Once again, if you if he's quarterback,

932
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: cornerback three or four, then he's a valuable part of

933
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: the team. Cornerback two then okay, you know you're always

934
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: looking to replace him in that position, well, especially as

935
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: the eight year vet, and especially and again I'm not

936
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: trying to throw shade here, but I don't know if

937
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you want Marco Wilson as your cornerback one either. No,

938
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: you're right, So, yeah, I still think there's work to

939
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: do there. And I absolutely think this is I think

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00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before, but I think it was Daniel

941
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: Jeremiah was saying that he saw twenty cornerbacks that are

942
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: worthy of going in the first three rounds, and that's

943
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: usually where you get starters. So I would be stunned

944
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: if if one of those first few rounds wasn't spent

945
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: on a cornerback somewhere. But we'll see. Once again, it

946
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: just sort of solidifies our thinking. That's why the Cardinals

947
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: go with edge rush or defensive tackle at number three overall.

948
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: Now they trade down and they trade down away and

949
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: they get a haul and they're out of the running

950
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: for a Will Anderson jail and Carter Tyree Wilson. Then

951
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: I do think corner number one franchise corner is the

952
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: underrated sleeper position in this draft for the Cardinals. We'll see,

953
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm just gonna warn you guys in anticipation

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Speaker 1: ahead of next week's Cardinals Underground brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Pacific Office Automation, that I'm gonna fight the Bengo card

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Speaker 1: with the following I found this article in a business publication.

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Speaker 1: Eleven phrases that make people question your credibility, says a

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Speaker 1: public speaking expert. So just to let you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be tracking some of these eleven phrases next week.

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00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: Oh it's like reverse being not by ask what front

961
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: by coaches that you're hearing as it's gonna be from us,

962
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: from you, guys, what's the list a couple months ago

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00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: that you gave us? But it was it was positive.

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Speaker 1: It was like thanks to say to get people in

965
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: the office to like you, or something on that something long.

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00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: I remember what it was, but if you're listening, I

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00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: thought it was tweeted us things you don't say in

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Speaker 1: an email email. Yeah, with shocking is I have zero recollection?

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00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was great. I complimented you afterwards

970
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: by saying, that's the kind of thing we need. Can

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Speaker 1: you give us one one example of a phrase. There's

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Speaker 1: a couple of examples. One of the eleven phrases that

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00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: quote make people question your credibility when you start a

974
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Speaker 1: sentence with in all honesty, oh dear, yeah, that's not good.

975
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Speaker 1: Or you start a sentence with I'm no expert, but

976
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: dot dot dot. I think Darren used that one today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I did. If you finish a thought with

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00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: did that make sense? I think I do that one.

979
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Speaker 1: There's there's phrases that include I'm sorry, but they say

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00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: that For example, that one right there. When you overuse

981
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: apologetic phrases, you can come across as weak or overly subservient.

982
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, but he's looking in high level business?

983
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: Are you googling? Are you finding out on Twitter's trying

984
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Speaker 1: to make him subscribe to a matter version. I mean,

985
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: let me tell you this, this public speaking expert, she

986
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Speaker 1: is exacting. She says, even if you use the words

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00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: I think quote, it's a phrase that makes you sound

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00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: tentative and unsure of what you're saying. Oh so you too,

989
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: better bring it next week. I'm telling you that because

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Speaker 1: if you go, if you listen to my because unfortunately,

991
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: as a reporter, I record all the things that I

992
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Speaker 1: when I do interviews, and the number of times I

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00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: say obviously because I'm trying to be like, wow, I

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Speaker 1: know you know this, but I still have to ask

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00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: the question. So this is my placeholder word obviously, And

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: then I hear it, I'm like, shut up, well I

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Speaker 1: can I can make that number twelve. We'll make that

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00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: number twelve. There are now, obviously, there are now twelve

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00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: phrases that make people question your credibility. So so you're

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00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: just gonna tally between the two of us, and whoever

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Speaker 1: has more talies has a last credibility i might have

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00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: to break out my old ding, and then I'll just

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Speaker 1: have a sound effect. Every time you say it, it'll

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Speaker 1: just staying, it'll just chime. So there you go. That's

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Speaker 1: in the next edition of Cardinal's Underground, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation. In all honesty,