WEBVTT - TechStuff Rides the Vacuum Train

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with

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<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette

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<v Speaker 1>and I am an editor at how stuff works dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting across from me as usual actually leaning as senior

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<v Speaker 1>writer Jonathan Strickland. Hey, there, very nice effect like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know why you really see, we we don't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that. We you know, if there's a gimmick,

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<v Speaker 1>we wait and find out what it is. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>fun that way. Yes, so we're today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about It was something that Chris actually suggested. He

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<v Speaker 1>had seen an article that the BBC had published upon

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<v Speaker 1>their website about pretty cool concept and it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>new concept notes, but it's um an interesting one. Vacuum trains. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I um, I've always loved trains. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it is exactly about them that I love you. And

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<v Speaker 1>Disney that's true actually a lot of it. Early Disney

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<v Speaker 1>engineers liked them and um yeah, they showed up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in those uh and the Disney UH Wave of

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<v Speaker 1>the future sort of things and and others too. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan and I have talked about this. Cartoons that talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what's going to happen in the future usually, um,

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<v Speaker 1>they throw in some funny twist about it, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, tomorrow Land. This is kind of a tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>landy concept. Too far off from the whole monorail, although

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<v Speaker 1>different different method of propulsion. Yeah yeah, And um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been interested in in magnetic levitation trains mag lev

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<v Speaker 1>trains for quite some time. Um. And it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things that, uh, you know, it's not that it's

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<v Speaker 1>so complex that it can't be done. It's more that

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<v Speaker 1>it's so expensive that it's just really hard to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And and vact trains or vacuum trains or another they're

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<v Speaker 1>actually related. They're pretty closely related in some ways. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily have to have all right, Maglev trains are

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<v Speaker 1>not vacuum trains by definition, but necessarily that's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum trains do not necessarily have to be maglev trains,

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<v Speaker 1>although they can be vacuum trains that are maglev. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have you can't have both, but they're not

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<v Speaker 1>necessary for this. For this is not necessarily the same thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so what is a vacuum train? Well, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>name kind of gives gives it away. What you do

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<v Speaker 1>is the ideas you take a tube, you pump the

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<v Speaker 1>air out of that tube, creating a vacuum, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you allow a train to go through the tube. And

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<v Speaker 1>because you've pumped the air out, you have removed the

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<v Speaker 1>problem of air resistance. Because when a train travels normally

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<v Speaker 1>above ground or even below ground, if it's not a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pushing air ahead of it. Yes, that that requires work.

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<v Speaker 1>That air even though air does not feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really necessarily think of air feeling like, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of resistance there. If you've ever been outside a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy wind, you know that it takes work to just

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<v Speaker 1>stand up right. Yeah. Anybody who's skated or written their

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<v Speaker 1>bicycle at a brisk pace, Um, you know you feel

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<v Speaker 1>the wind in your hair and on your face. Or

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<v Speaker 1>somebody actually was written in a convertible, especially in the

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<v Speaker 1>back seat, you're gonna feel, um, the wind pushing on you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like it's it's creating its own little wind.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, you know wind rest, Yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that of course, there are their companies that dedicate themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to finding new ways to reduce air resistance so that

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<v Speaker 1>uh so that various things can move faster with less

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<v Speaker 1>problems of the air impacting them. Well, well, bullet trains,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we we've mentioned him a couple of times

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<v Speaker 1>to think on the the podcast before. They you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've seen one of these trains, they go very

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<v Speaker 1>very fast, but they are also extremely streamlined. The engine

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, and then that's I think why they

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<v Speaker 1>call them a bullet train is because they have a

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<v Speaker 1>pointy nose on the front which is designed to cut

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<v Speaker 1>down on wind resistance. Yeah, it's all, it's all part

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<v Speaker 1>of the plan. And so the by using a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 1>you remove the air so now you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about air resistance. There's also, by the way, a

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<v Speaker 1>tendency when a train is pushing air in front of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also creating the sort of um vacuum effect on

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<v Speaker 1>its own. There's there's because it's pushing air out the

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<v Speaker 1>way and then the air has to rush into fill

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<v Speaker 1>up that space again. It actually starts to pull a

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<v Speaker 1>bit on the train. So the trains pushing air ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of it and being pulled by air behind it, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's doing work that way. By pumping all the air out,

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<v Speaker 1>you have removed that, um, that that force acting upon

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<v Speaker 1>the train, and it can move at a faster rate

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<v Speaker 1>than it could if air were a factor because all

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<v Speaker 1>that work that it would be putting towards pushing the

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<v Speaker 1>air out of the way can now just be put

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<v Speaker 1>towards speed and acceleration. So even if you had a

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<v Speaker 1>standard electric train in a vacuum, it could travel faster

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<v Speaker 1>than it would normally travel. Yeah, and that was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that it was interesting to me when

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<v Speaker 1>I really grab my attention when I read that article

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<v Speaker 1>on the BBC website was because, um, they were suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that if there were a vacuum tube track from Europe

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States, you could make the trip and

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<v Speaker 1>a vac train in about an hour a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more maybe, And and then that imagining that versus you know,

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<v Speaker 1>flying across even Yeah, that's the thing that got me

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<v Speaker 1>was the idea of leaving say London and arriving in

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<v Speaker 1>New York four hours before you left, Thank you times owns.

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<v Speaker 1>Just just because the time zones, you're not literally time traveling,

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<v Speaker 1>you're traveling through time, it would seem because it's still

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<v Speaker 1>progressing as you're sitting there on the train. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going back through the time zones. And so

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<v Speaker 1>because your your speed is faster than the uh than

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<v Speaker 1>the time zones can account for, you would actually you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you leave at nine am and you would arrive at

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<v Speaker 1>at four am or five am actually because it was

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<v Speaker 1>four hours or so five am, and uh, so you

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<v Speaker 1>have the whole day ahead of you. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all relative, it is all relative. Um. But yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of experiments that were conducted over the

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<v Speaker 1>years to see if this would actually be the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and it did seem to be so. And it did

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<v Speaker 1>seem that they would have that speeding up that would

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<v Speaker 1>cut down on wind resistance and make it a lot

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<v Speaker 1>faster as what you're saying right, Yes, yes, there were

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<v Speaker 1>there were researchers with M I T that did some tests.

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<v Speaker 1>They created a vacuum tube and then they shot things

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<v Speaker 1>through it, like down the tube, not through the tube,

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<v Speaker 1>not by secting the tube, but down the tube along

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<v Speaker 1>the length of the So they said they started with

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<v Speaker 1>the most um I think logical thing to shoot down

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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum tube. Ping pong ball No, hamsters would be

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<v Speaker 1>the first. No, no, no, no, you no, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to put an animal in a vacuum tube. It

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<v Speaker 1>would die. That's true. Plus natures a vacuum. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. That's true because I have never once seen

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<v Speaker 1>a shrubbery do any darn vacuum anyway, So we both

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<v Speaker 1>love animals. Question, they don't do that? They started, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>do not build a tube an air steal tube and

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<v Speaker 1>then pump the air out of it. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>all I think we're safe on that one. So guys

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<v Speaker 1>that m I T don't do that, don't um. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they shot ping pong balls down the tube first. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they started creating these little mechanical models to travel down.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they do is they would, you know, measure

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<v Speaker 1>how fast the mechanical model could travel in a in

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<v Speaker 1>an air filled environment versus the vacuum environment. And they

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<v Speaker 1>figured that if they had a standard train, they could

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<v Speaker 1>probably you know, well actually a relatively fast trained they

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<v Speaker 1>could probably get up to about five hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>miles per hour, which is about nine d and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers per hour. That seems reasonably quick that's pretty darn fast.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said that it would be about twice as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as it would be if the tube were filled

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<v Speaker 1>with air. So that gave the suggestion of why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we look into this further, Why don't we look and see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what could the upper limits of this be?

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<v Speaker 1>And theoretically, according to the BBC article, those upper limits

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<v Speaker 1>would be about twenty five hundred miles per hour or

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand kilometers per hour. That's what allow you to

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<v Speaker 1>get from Europe to North America in an hour. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, that's super fast. Now you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do a couple of things. You need to remember that

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<v Speaker 1>even in these super fast systems, you don't accelerate to

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<v Speaker 1>top speed quickly because that would squish you. You would

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<v Speaker 1>be undergoing such tremendous g forces that it would be

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<v Speaker 1>at least uncomfortable, if not uh deadly. So the way

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<v Speaker 1>these trains tend to work is they have a nice

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<v Speaker 1>gradual acceleration so that you feel the acceleration, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a steady acceleration, so it's not increasing on you as

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<v Speaker 1>time goes by, and then once it hits its speed,

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<v Speaker 1>you coast at that speed for you know, top speed

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<v Speaker 1>for however long you need to, and then you do

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<v Speaker 1>a gradual deceleration. So in most so not like if

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, stopped from ludicrous speed then you end

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<v Speaker 1>up smashing into the console screen or whatever. Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>The way it works is that, Um, typically in most trips,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you are not traveling at top speed for very

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<v Speaker 1>long because you're spending most of the trip accelerating and

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<v Speaker 1>then decelerating. It's you're only at top speed for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while. And because you're not accelerating at top speed,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like like within the confines of the vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't feel like you're going that fast. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>look outside and you see stuff whizzing by, and a

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<v Speaker 1>holy cow, we're going fast. But without that outside uh indicator,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you're more or less staying still. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Same sort of thing with this. Now, to get to

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<v Speaker 1>that incredible speed of twenty miles per hour or four

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<v Speaker 1>thousand kilometers per hour, you would need a special kind

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<v Speaker 1>of train. You know, you wouldn't necessarily be using a

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<v Speaker 1>train that has wheels, or at least not relying solely

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<v Speaker 1>upon wheels to get to where it's going. Where we're going,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need roads, um, and you do need track

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<v Speaker 1>and uh in a vacuum. In that kind of environment too,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have to it would it would be very critical

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<v Speaker 1>to have a form of um propulsion that would work

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<v Speaker 1>within that. I would imagine in a vacuum. Uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be very difficult to operate a combustion engine, yah,

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<v Speaker 1>since you would need air or well, you would probably

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<v Speaker 1>use an electric engine, and you use like the third

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<v Speaker 1>rail type system that of subway trains and a a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of electrical trains used. I'm speaking from a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it couldn't be like a diesel train. Um, couldn't. You

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't use You'd have to have it completely in. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine how you would take care of the exhaust, Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>because you would have to expose it. I mean you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to have some sort of air airlock system where

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<v Speaker 1>you could pump exhaust into an airlock h unloaded to

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<v Speaker 1>the vacuum without compromising the whole system. Yeah, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be complicated. What we're saying so electric. Just for my

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<v Speaker 1>own thoughts, I can't imagine how you would do that,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't It wouldn't be easy. Those steam engines would be

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<v Speaker 1>terrible in a vacuum. Yeah. Um. So anyway, the it's

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<v Speaker 1>more likely that you would use electric or electro magnetic propulsion. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>plus I'm sure it'd be a lot more fish. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So so that brings us to the maglev trains. Magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>levitation trains. These are super cool and sometimes they're literally

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<v Speaker 1>super cooled. Cuts down a resistance, So the concept here

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty pretty interesting. The idea is that you use

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<v Speaker 1>some combination of magnets. They might be electro magnets or magnets,

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<v Speaker 1>magnets magnets, They might be electro magnets, or they might

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<v Speaker 1>be permanent magnets, or there could be a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>the two, uh, and you use them in such a

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<v Speaker 1>way as to make the train levitate so it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>off the surface of whatever the track is, and that way,

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<v Speaker 1>when it travels, there's no uh. It reduces all that

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<v Speaker 1>resistance as well, so you've reduced the friction that you

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<v Speaker 1>would have from the track, and so it also cuts

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<v Speaker 1>down on things like you don't have to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>maintenance as much because you aren't having that wear and tear.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that the train isn't rubbing against the track.

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<v Speaker 1>The there aren't wheels that are starting to wear down

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<v Speaker 1>over time. It's not wearing down the track over time.

0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.599
<v Speaker 1>So once you get the system in place, maintenance theoretically

0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.720
<v Speaker 1>should be pretty routine. You shouldn't have to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>wear and tear so much. Now there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in tear depending on the style of the train involved,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll get into that. Yeah, the the magnets themselves

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<v Speaker 1>will be put in in something called a Halbach array.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's if they're using permanent magnets. Yeah, that's one method. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and and that's very cool. UM. I didn't really understand

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how this was done. UM, but apparently that the

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<v Speaker 1>scientist it's named after the scientists who came up with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was actually thinking about it in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>a particle accelerator. UM. But if you place the magnets

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<v Speaker 1>in a certain position, it pushes, it concentrates the magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field on one side of the magnets. UM. And instead,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know how you have a north and a

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<v Speaker 1>south pole. UM. If you line up the magnets in

0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the way that uh, the good professor came up with, UM,

0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it would concentrate this force on one side, thus enabling

0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the to keep the train up. And that's so it's

0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.520
<v Speaker 1>it's uh, you know, toward the train and it it

0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.880
<v Speaker 1>pushes the magnetic field that way, which is a really

0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:34.120
<v Speaker 1>interesting application of a technology from one purpose to another. Yeah,

0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and there there's a couple of different ways of doing this.

0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Um you know. So so like pole repels like right,

0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>So north pole and north pole push push push against

0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.720
<v Speaker 1>each other. North Pole and south pole opposites a track

0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:55.080
<v Speaker 1>pulled together. So depending on what sort of train you have,

0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.400
<v Speaker 1>um that will determine you know, what what sort of

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.200
<v Speaker 1>magnets you using and how you use them. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a type of maglev train called electro magnetic suspension trains.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way these work, uh So imagining you have

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<v Speaker 1>an elevated track and you have a concrete um guidance

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<v Speaker 1>beam that goes down the middle of the track, and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like if you were to cut it, cut

0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that track in half and look down the length of it,

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<v Speaker 1>like look at it from the cross section, you would

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<v Speaker 1>see that that that um that guidance uh beam is

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<v Speaker 1>shaped kind of like a t. There are edges that

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<v Speaker 1>extend out over either side the train itself, wraps around

0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that track, so it keeps it at the optimal distance

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<v Speaker 1>away from the magnets and keeps it from you know,

0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.600
<v Speaker 1>going too far away from it. And the magnets in

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<v Speaker 1>this case are set north to south so that they

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<v Speaker 1>attract one another. So the magnet are on the underside

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<v Speaker 1>of the tea all right, So the you have magnets

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<v Speaker 1>that are along the guidance rail that are on the

0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.120
<v Speaker 1>underside of the T, and then on the train, the

0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.840
<v Speaker 1>magnets are at the point that wrap underneath the T,

0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.000
<v Speaker 1>so those magnets are attracting each other. And what happens

0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.560
<v Speaker 1>is the magnets on the T are pulling against the

0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.480
<v Speaker 1>magnets that are on the train, which lifts the train

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<v Speaker 1>off the the rail. So you've got a floating train. Uh.

0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:34.080
<v Speaker 1>The big advantage of this train over um other systems

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<v Speaker 1>is that you do not need wheels for this train.

0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.800
<v Speaker 1>It'll it'll just pull the train up once you start it.

0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And then you use an electro magnetic field to push

0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and pull the train down the track. So you know,

0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you use a opposite opposite magnetic field to pull the

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.680
<v Speaker 1>train towards the front, use a identical magnetic field to

0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the train along the back to push it, and you

0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.359
<v Speaker 1>alternate the the pulsor the electro magnet magnets in order

0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to maintain this wave and to accelerate the wave because

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<v Speaker 1>when you first start, you wouldn't start slowly. Ah, it

0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:20.120
<v Speaker 1>tends to be pretty christi um so yeah, you've got

0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.919
<v Speaker 1>this traveling field. That's what moves the train down the

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<v Speaker 1>track and U and it's it's pretty cool. I mean,

0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.240
<v Speaker 1>that's a neat way of doing it. It's um not

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<v Speaker 1>that you know. Some trains in Europe use this. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's another style called the electro dynamic suspension train

0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:44.800
<v Speaker 1>e d S, and these are suspended above the guide way,

0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.879
<v Speaker 1>but instead of using the attractive force of magnets to

0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:55.240
<v Speaker 1>pull the train toward this guidance column, it's using repulsive

0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.120
<v Speaker 1>the repulsive part of magnets. So it's north to north

0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.760
<v Speaker 1>yet not like that, but north to north. So so

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, you don't have the t there anymore.

0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.840
<v Speaker 1>You still have the guidance rail, but now the magnets

0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 1>are set along the the side of the track, so

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<v Speaker 1>on either side of the guidance rail on the bottom.

0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.399
<v Speaker 1>And then you have magnets along the bottom of the

0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:22.040
<v Speaker 1>train and they repel one another, so the train will

0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Speaker 1>float above the track that way. Now, and these you

0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:31.160
<v Speaker 1>tend to need a uh wheels, And once you reach

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.200
<v Speaker 1>a certain speed then you start to see the train

0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:38.880
<v Speaker 1>actually lift off, so the wheels are needed at slower speeds.

0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:43.000
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, the companies that use this suggest that

0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.920
<v Speaker 1>perhaps this is a safer system because should the entire

0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:50.159
<v Speaker 1>system lose power, then the train would come to a

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.800
<v Speaker 1>gradual stop with these wheels, so you wouldn't have a

0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.400
<v Speaker 1>jarring crash, which you know, in general terms as far

0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.359
<v Speaker 1>as we're concerned, and travel is a bad thing, yes,

0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.679
<v Speaker 1>it's not so much the traveling, it's stopping at the

0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.360
<v Speaker 1>end there you go. So uh yeah. They the older

0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>electrodynamic suspension trains used cryogenically cooled super conducting magnets. And

0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the reason for that is what I was saying before.

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.399
<v Speaker 1>When you cool down an electro magnet, you reduce resistance,

0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.080
<v Speaker 1>so you make it a much more efficient system because

0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, resistance means that you're losing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>energy due to heat. So by cooling this really really low,

0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you've actually reduced the resistance within the system itself, makes

0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.600
<v Speaker 1>it very efficient, does make it very expensive is not

0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.640
<v Speaker 1>cheap too super cool stuff because you have to get

0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:46.960
<v Speaker 1>hold of pretty rare elements in some cases in order

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.399
<v Speaker 1>to get the electromantics really cold. Now you're not getting

0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.000
<v Speaker 1>them as cold as say, in a particle accelerator like

0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:59.280
<v Speaker 1>the large Hadron collider. They use liquid helium to get

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.479
<v Speaker 1>those electri o magnet magnets as cold as they possibly can,

0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>So they're just they're just a little bit over zero

0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.359
<v Speaker 1>kelvin where you have no molecular movement at all. Um,

0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't need liquid helium in these systems, doesn't need

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.879
<v Speaker 1>to be quite that cold, so they probably use something

0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.400
<v Speaker 1>moral on lines of liquid nitrogen, which does not get

0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:23.440
<v Speaker 1>as cold as liquid helium does. Now. Uh. Then eventually

0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.639
<v Speaker 1>that system started to get replaced by the permanent magnet

0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.640
<v Speaker 1>system that you were talking about, the the the Halbach

0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.680
<v Speaker 1>array and uh, but it's using the same general principle

0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>where it's using the repulsive force of the magnets in

0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.679
<v Speaker 1>order to make the train levitate as opposed to the

0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 1>attractive force. And um, yeah, the that's the main difference

0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 1>between the various kinds of maglev trains. The end result

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.439
<v Speaker 1>is the same. You get the train levitating above the track,

0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and your speed is really limited just by how quickly

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:03.879
<v Speaker 1>you can manipulate the the magnetic wave that pulls and

0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.560
<v Speaker 1>pushes the train. Yeah. So the faster you can do that,

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.359
<v Speaker 1>the faster the trains going to go. Uh. And if

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.919
<v Speaker 1>you eliminate air resistance by putting it in a vacuum tube,

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 1>then you've suddenly created a really really fast means of

0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:24.520
<v Speaker 1>transport which could revolutionize not just consumer travel, but also shipping. Yeah,

0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can imagine, you know, you've you've really

0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.720
<v Speaker 1>cut down the amount of time it takes to get

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.080
<v Speaker 1>goods from one part of the world to another, assuming

0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.400
<v Speaker 1>that they are connected by these these um, these tubes.

0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.360
<v Speaker 1>One would imagine too that the this mode of transportation

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.480
<v Speaker 1>would be more environmentally efficient then using you know a

0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of fossil fuel to make this happen. It just

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.880
<v Speaker 1>depends on how you're creating energy for the electromagnets exactly, exactly. Yeah,

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.720
<v Speaker 1>if you do have to figure out, however, how the

0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the electro magnet magnets themselves are powered. Um And you know,

0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 1>if you're using the halback array, then you've taken some

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.719
<v Speaker 1>of that out by using a lot of permanent magnets.

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 1>You still have to create some sort of propulsion, so

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 1>you're probably still using electro magnets at least to propel

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the train. But but yeah, you would you know, you're

0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 1>not using you're not necessarily burning the same amount of

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.480
<v Speaker 1>electricity that you would need or creating the same amount

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.480
<v Speaker 1>of electricity you would need in order to power us

0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.760
<v Speaker 1>an electric train. Um. Now, there are other things that

0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.239
<v Speaker 1>we need to talk about as far as vacuum trains go,

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 1>like how do you create the vacuum? Uh? Now, you

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.399
<v Speaker 1>would need some sort of pumping station in order to

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 1>pump air out of the tube. And the longer the

0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 1>tube is, the more pumping stations you would need. Now,

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the because you can't just have it at one end, well,

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.399
<v Speaker 1>you could depends on how the length of the track.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're talking about something that's transatlantic, I can't imagine

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a pumping station on one side of the Atlantic that's

0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.119
<v Speaker 1>going to pump all the air out of a transatlantic

0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:56.119
<v Speaker 1>tube by itself. That would take an enormous amount of time.

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.159
<v Speaker 1>That would be very inefficient. Yeah, it would take an

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.520
<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of power as well. Uh. Yeah, in general,

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 1>from what I've read, it sounds like you would need

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a pumping station every I'll say twenty or thirty miles

0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 1>along the tube. In order to maintain the vacuum at

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a reasonable rate, you would also need to have an

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 1>airlock system in place, because you're going to have every time,

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.159
<v Speaker 1>every time the train pulls into a station, assuming there

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>are people on board who want to get on or off,

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't have a vacuum unless unless everyone has some

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of environmental suit on, which does not seem terribly

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.439
<v Speaker 1>efficient as far as travel. Yeah, so you can't have

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 1>a vacuum at the destination or the origin of this

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>this trip. It would be uh, it would be antithetical

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to the way we live life, mostly the breathing part. Uh. So,

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 1>what you would have to do is have an airlock

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>system in order for these trains to pass in and

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.359
<v Speaker 1>out of the vacuum. Moreover, you would likely need to

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 1>have a series of airlocks so that the train is

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>passing through decreased air pressure over UM over a series

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of airlock transitions, not just you know, full air pressure

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.119
<v Speaker 1>to vacuum. I would have to go through a couple

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>of different um airlocks before it was into the true vacuum.

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>So that is another limitation you would need to have

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that in place. Also, there's a real concern about safety.

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 1>You're talking about. A vacuum is not, like we said,

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:39.679
<v Speaker 1>not a good place for a human to be in,

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, just without without some form of protection, you

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>would you would die. So there's a real concern about

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>things like you would have to make sure that whatever

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the train was, that it was made out of a

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>material that could be pressurized properly and that would be

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:57.959
<v Speaker 1>really um resistant to wear and tear, because even the

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>smallest fault in so device could mean disaster. He had

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a crack open up in one of those things, then

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>suddenly everything would be blown out into the vacuum, not

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>sucked out, blown out. Sorry, I was thinking about a movie, um,

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and so uh that that's what we call catastrophic failure.

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>That would be terrible even I'm sorry, go ahead, I

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, even though that uh, from what I

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>understand that these vactorines would not necessarily be in a

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 1>full vacuum, um, it would it would be close enough

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to cause you know, concern in that department. And uh,

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.919
<v Speaker 1>you would also have to have, um, a concern about

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the propulsion system. You would want there to be plenty

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>of fail safes there so that if you're if you're

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>traveling at something like per hour, Uh, you need to

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>make sure the system is reliable in that it's going

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.360
<v Speaker 1>to accelerate and decelerate at a reasonable rate so that

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:01.640
<v Speaker 1>anyone inside is not going to be um harmed by that.

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 1>And also you need to have a good way of

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>making sure that you're not going to have some sort

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of catastrophic failure where, um, perhaps the power is lost

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>halfway through and then you have a train stuck in

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a vacuum between Europe and North America. Yeah, I'm I'm

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>sure that if this comes closer to reality, there will

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>be disaster movies in which people get stuck in the

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 1>train or a terrorist. They'll they'll talk about a terrorist

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>plot to blow up the tubes or something like that.

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>People will be streaming. Can you imagine traveling in a

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:42.959
<v Speaker 1>tube where you can't you don't even know where you are.

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>It would have to walls would have to be very thick, right, Yeah,

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 1>you could theoretically have thick walls that are also transparent,

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>but if you're traveling through a tube, odds are there's

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.120
<v Speaker 1>not a whole lot to look at. So um, Also

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>that speed you'd be like, hey, look, it's a never mind,

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.360
<v Speaker 1>you just missed a whatever that was. Um, I mean

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>you could set it up so that, you know, you

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>could design the tubes so that they play out some

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of animated scene when you travel by a certain speed.

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>It would be really interesting to do that. Um. But

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>at anyr rate. Uh, yeah, you're probably not gonna have

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>any windows, um, at least not traditional ones. You might

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>have like some sort of screens that could display whatever

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you want on them, so that you would have, you know,

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the facsimile of windows. So it's very for the claustrophobic

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 1>among us. It would be a terrifying ordeal. You're in

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a tube where there's very little, if any air. Uh,

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you are in a train that's not moving. You have

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>no idea where anyone else is. I mean, you might

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.199
<v Speaker 1>be able to I'm sure they would have communication systems

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>on board, but it would be a pretty harrowing experience

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>should something go wrong. Uh, and you know it's it's

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely one of those issues where the more you

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 1>think about, the more you like. There is a lot

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of points of failure that would need to be addressed

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 1>before anyone would feel comfortable writing this system. Now that

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 1>being said, a lot of us travel by air a lot,

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and the more you think about traveling by air, the

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.719
<v Speaker 1>more you realize, Wow, we really had to overcome a

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of problems in order to make this safe and reliable.

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>And yet we've done it. And so I'm not saying

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that's outside the realm of possibility. I'm not even saying

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that it's going to be uh as difficult as say,

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to get a person into outer space

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and back safely. But it's it's one of those things

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>where you know, I could see why people would be

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>nervous about getting on one right right. Well, you know,

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>if we've figured out how to travel by air, you'd

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>figure out that we'd be able to figure out how

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to travel by lack of air. Um and uh your breath.

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 1>It's actually interesting that you should mention outer space because

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the apple cations for this technology. There There

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>already are maglev trains out there. They're not predominantly maglev trains,

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 1>but you know there are there are some, and there're

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>people who are predicting that vacuum trains will be along

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>within the next ten or so years, maybe a little longer.

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>But they're also talking about the possibility that vacuum trains

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>could be used to launch space missions. Um, which would

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>mean that you need to point them vertically instead of

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>horizon only. Let's see, here's the thing about electro magnets.

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>They can work that way. Yes, it doesn't matter if

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>it's horizontal or vertical. It just needs the magnetic force

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>that you're generating, just needs to overcome whatever whatever forces

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>are holding it back. So you know, in in a

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>regular maglev train that would include things like air resistance,

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and a maglev train that's vertical, it would include gravity. Well,

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>it would be sort of like a giant vacuum train

0:29:55.960 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>gun into space. So so there'd be a solid too,

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>extending from the surface of the Earth up into at

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>least the reaches of low orbit. Dr James Powell has

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>a group called Star Tram. It's the Star Tram Project

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you can visit their website. Um, look look

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>it up, thinking I think it could have their their picture.

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I'll show I'll hold it up to the microphone so

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that you all can see it. But yes, he is

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>proposing that they create a giant launch system, and you know,

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 1>there would be a tube it wouldn't be exactly vertical. Okay,

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>it's it's actually at an angle, as you know, I'm

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>showing Jonathan right now. But yeah, they're they're saying that

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>it could be proposed sort of a space elevator with

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 1>a vacuum train. That would be the weirdest thing to

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>see in the distance. Oh, I'm sure it would just

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot stretching up into the sky, even if it's

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>even not necessarily vertical, but what a weird I imagine

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>it would be very expensive fan and can you imagine

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>a tube that heavy being supported by you know, there

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>would be a lot of structure underneath it to hold

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 1>it in place. So clearly that would also be another

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that you can imagine being a

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>target for someone who wants to cause a lot of mayhem,

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>or or a target for someone who is flying a

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>plane nearby, an unintentional target watch out for this sort

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>of thing. I mean, I would imagine it would It

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>would definitely affect things like like flight routing and things

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>like that. But yeah, it's also, um it's similar to

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>our our episode on space elevators. Yeah, well you had

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>a very similar discussion about that. But they say that

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>they proposed that it could be able to launch three

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>thousand tons of material into orbit for less than forty

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>dollars per kilogram. That's um and you know, and we've

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>talked about how that's a big deal because fuel costs

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>for getting a vehicle into orbit is um. I mean,

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>they're they're really really expensive. So that makes it very

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>uh expensive to get any any particular material out into space.

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, you figure a craft is able to carry

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>x amount of tons of material and it and it

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>costs x amount to get the vehicle into orbit. Then

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you figure, you know, you divide it up and you're like, wow,

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that's really expensive freight right there. Yeah. Well, and and

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it takes all that preparation time, it takes fueling up.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>As we know very well that that uh you know,

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>can cause explosive problems if there are any flaws at all,

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>um risking life and property. So you know, the idea

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of space elevators or vacuum trains to get things in

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>orbit might be a more efficient and more reliable way

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>to do that. But uh yeah, that's there are some

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>serious technological challenges there to be overcome, but fascinating to

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>think about. Nonetheless, yeah, definitely and you know, it's whether

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll see this or not. I'm a little more skeptical.

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>And the reason why I'm skeptical, can't imagine why. Here's

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the reason I'm skeptical at least that we'll see it

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Uh. And the reason being is

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not because of the danger, but because it's a massive

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>undertaking that would cost lots of money, although according to

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>some analysts, not as much as you would imagine. Some

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>are argue that it would be more efficient than other

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>versions or or as the same expense as it would

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:31.239
<v Speaker 1>be for um, other kinds of high speed rail. Well,

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>the United States has not been very good at at

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>implementing high speed rail in general. I mean, the fastest

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>train we have is slow compared to the trains in

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Europe and in Asia. Um and and it's just one

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>of those things that it's sort of become an afterthought.

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, trains built this nation into what it is.

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, before the trains, we had very little unity

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>as a nation, and then the trains really brought us

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>together in a way that no other technology had. However,

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>they're they've sort of haven't changed in the last century

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>or so. I haven't there haven't been a huge number

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>of developments. There has been the switch over to electrical

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>trains versus coal powered trains or things like that, but

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>but in general, they have not really advanced that much. Uh.

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:23.919
<v Speaker 1>And the fact that I it's been so, the fact

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>that we have not seen a lot of movement in

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the high speed train, yeah, well, the we haven't seen

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 1>a lot of of development in the high speed train

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 1>arena tells me that while the interest is definitely there,

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and while there are people who are crying out for

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing, it hasn't reached the critical mass

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>necessary to put it into action. There are a lot

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:49.479
<v Speaker 1>of political issues at stake, economic issues, um. And it's

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 1>just one of those things where I don't see that

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>clearing up. I see the political process taking longer than

0:34:56.640 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>ten years. The technology, I have no doubt up by

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 1>ten years we would be able to do this. We could,

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>We could implement something like this today if we dedicated

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.239
<v Speaker 1>our resources to it. Politically, I just don't see it

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:15.240
<v Speaker 1>happening within ten years now. It might happen in Europe

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and Asia, where train travel has become a very important

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 1>way of getting around and it has been that way

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:27.400
<v Speaker 1>for for generations. But they have continued to invest in

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 1>it and to continue developing and innovating in that space,

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>whereas in the United States the focus shifted dramatically toward

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 1>automobile industry. Well, yeah, the Americans love their cars. Yeah.

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Now if we were uh, I mean, I would love

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 1>to be proved wrong way this. I would love that

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.720
<v Speaker 1>in ten years we have high speed trains that connect

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the various uh staies together. For one thing, it could

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>help reduce air traffic congestion, It could make you know,

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>it could be a viable alternative to taking a flight somewhere.

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>So the more choices of consumer have has I maintained

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>that the more choices you have, the better off you are.

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Um and and I just think it'd be kind of cool.

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I still don't know that I would be a volunteer

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>on the first first manned trip of a maglev vacuum train.

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Um, I guess it would depend on

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>what I had planned later in the week. Yeah, just

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>something really exciting. I'd be like, you know, no, I

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.919
<v Speaker 1>just don't put a lot of rold coins in there,

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you know. That was that was one of the first

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 1>things I thought about when I thought vacuum train. I

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about the pneumatic tubes that they used the

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>bank drive through. Yeah, um, which you know, it would

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>be sort of a similar effect, you know. The first thing,

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I thought was the tubes that the

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.439
<v Speaker 1>characters travel around and in Futurama. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>although clearly you wouldn't be able to use a complete

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 1>vacuum because you know, that would just be yeah, i'd

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 1>just be a corpse delivery system. Really, once you get

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>down to it. Yeah, not not pleasant. So, um, I

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 1>hope we didn't bore you, Steff with this podcast. Uh this, uh,

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:17.839
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's really kind of a last time.

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna let me pick a topic. Yeah, you're dead

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>right about that. Um, So we're going to wrap this up. Guys.

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>It's a really cool idea. It's a neat way of

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>thinking about transportation in the future, although we may never

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>see it come to pass. But if you guys have

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