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Speaker 1: Under Hoops tonight. All right, so here's the plan for today.

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Speaker 1: Like I promised, what I would like to do, shout

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Speaker 1: Like one of my biggest pet peeves with these lists

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to shout out a couple of you guys.

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Speaker 1: First off, of Mr Henry, thanks for comment thing Henry.

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Speaker 1: I think Trey Young should be top twenty five he's

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Speaker 1: I totally understand your principle of valuing wings and perimeter

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Speaker 1: And I understand, I really do your anti exploitability take

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Speaker 1: that Andrew Wiggins did guarding Luca don Chitch and Jayson

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Speaker 1: Tatum was such an incredibly valuable thing to the Warrior's

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Speaker 1: ability to win those two playoffs series. Um, I expected

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Speaker 1: Luca to have a lot more success against Andrew Wiggins

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Speaker 1: than he did. It's a testament to his improvements as

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Speaker 1: a wing defender over the course of the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years. And then he basically was the only guy

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Speaker 1: in this playoff run who made Jayson Tatum consistently uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: So I would say that, you know, I had said

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Speaker 1: earlier that I think Jayson Tatum is potentially the best

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Speaker 1: perimeter defender in the league. I think Andrew Wiggins has

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Speaker 1: firmly entered that conversation, and that's a and that's a

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Speaker 1: ton of credit to hit like to go back to

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Speaker 1: back through Luca and Tatum. The way that he did

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Speaker 1: is beyond impressive and he deserves a ton of credit

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Speaker 1: for that. Wow. I mean that's a pretty remarkable claim

445
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Speaker 1: just given what he was for his entire time in Minnesota,

446
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Speaker 1: you know, just such an overwhelming disappointment on that end,

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Speaker 1: so consistently disengaged. Okay, So, as I said, we have

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Speaker 1: another hard related question here, this one from Kyle's takes.

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Speaker 1: He says, what's up, Jason, just finished watching your Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry video. Just wanted to ask, what's the difference when

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Speaker 1: you say great offensive engine versus a helio centric player?

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Speaker 1: Just for clarification's sake for you, is Houston Harden a

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Speaker 1: great offensive engine or a heliocentric player? So I look

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Speaker 1: at it as kind of like a ven diagram type

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Speaker 1: of concept, like, um, that there's some overlap there. So

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Speaker 1: to me, heliocentric means that you're initiating every possession with

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Speaker 1: the live dribble, uh, bringing the ball up the floor

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Speaker 1: and making every single decision, right, where whereas an offensive

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Speaker 1: engine more has to do with a player that is

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Speaker 1: responsible for creating shots for the vast majority of the

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Speaker 1: possessions of the game rather than just a play finisher. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: for instance, Anthony Davis is like a play finisher. An

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Speaker 1: offensive engine is more like a Lebron James, who you know,

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Speaker 1: for two thirds of the possessions of the game, he's

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Speaker 1: either creating a shot off the dribble himself for himself,

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Speaker 1: creating a shot off the dribble for someone else. He's

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Speaker 1: a decoy as a screener. He's moving without the back

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Speaker 1: like he's doing all these different things to create shots.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the Steph curries another great example of that.

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Speaker 1: That offensive engine piece has to do with your possession

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Speaker 1: by possession role, which is to create shots for your team.

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Speaker 1: Helio Centric has to do with the way you are

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Speaker 1: doing it. So Steph is not heliocentric because he does

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Speaker 1: so much work without the basketball. You know yr Kich

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Speaker 1: for instances, he there's some heliocentrism to him, but not

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Speaker 1: a ton because he will act as a screener so

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Speaker 1: so frequently for his ball handlers, the James Harden, Luca

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Speaker 1: don Chich, Lebron James is really the best of this group.

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Speaker 1: But that that I bring the ball up the floor

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Speaker 1: every possession and I make all the decisions, that to

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Speaker 1: me is helio centric basketball. It's like more of the

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Speaker 1: method versus the role and there is absolutely some overlap there.

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Speaker 1: As far as James Harden goes, he is both. He's

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Speaker 1: a heliocentric offensive engine. He's just to climbed so much

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Speaker 1: as a player over the course of the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years that he's not really in those conversations with

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Speaker 1: the best players in the league. I will say this, though,

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Speaker 1: I made a prediction that I thought that he would

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Speaker 1: have learned his lesson after these last two injury played

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Speaker 1: seasons and the intel the social media post, it appears

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Speaker 1: that Hardened looks like he's in better shape than he's

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Speaker 1: been in a long time. I can't take that to

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Speaker 1: the bank. He's got to do it during the eight

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Speaker 1: two game regular season, but it looks like he I

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Speaker 1: may have been on the right track there. It looks

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Speaker 1: like Harden is starting to get into some better shape

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Speaker 1: and it's also doing some post work in his pickup runs,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting as well. Yeah, you were definitely early

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Speaker 1: on the Hardened comeback year wagon, but that narrative is

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Speaker 1: definitely starting and that would be a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: because obviously, I mean that just takes Philly to a

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Speaker 1: different level and extremely talented team. If he's you know,

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Speaker 1: top fifteen kind of player, James Harden. So one of

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Speaker 1: the issues that we saw with your list that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people talked about was saying that Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: at number three was too high, having him above Lebron,

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Speaker 1: having him above Yokich, particularly given his playoff let down

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Speaker 1: against the Celtics and what was obviously a pretty brutal series.

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Speaker 1: So what's your response to that, Jason, and how do

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Speaker 1: you defend and explain that placement of Katie. To me,

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Speaker 1: it was the way he failed against Boston. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm never I'm never going to rewrite a players entire

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Speaker 1: basketball resume over one week of basketball, which is what

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Speaker 1: that first round series against Boston was. It was one

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Speaker 1: week of basketball. When you look into the film, he

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Speaker 1: was getting all of the same Katie shots he always gets,

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Speaker 1: and he just wasn't making This is a player who

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Speaker 1: made half of his pull up jump shots this year.

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Speaker 1: Literally of his pull up jump shots went in this

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Speaker 1: year on a huge volume. I think it was over

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Speaker 1: six hundred attempts, and then we get into this Boston

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Speaker 1: Celtics series and only makes about a third of them.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a maker misleague boss, and kind of had

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Speaker 1: his number, he lost his confidence in his rhythm a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I did not see any sort of massive

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Speaker 1: physical decline or inability to get to the types of

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Speaker 1: shots that he likes to get. So to me, it's like,

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Speaker 1: it really is this simple. He had a bad series,

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Speaker 1: and I get it. With recency bias, we have a

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Speaker 1: tendency to cling to that sort of thing and have

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Speaker 1: a hard time kind of like contextualizing it. But again,

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Speaker 1: what happened one year prior, less than one year prior,

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Speaker 1: because of the way that the season started late, like

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Speaker 1: less than one year prior. He was the same Katie

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Speaker 1: that we all know, the one that is as unguardable

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Speaker 1: of an isolation player that there is in basketball, which

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Speaker 1: effectively makes him an antidote for any type of playoff defense.

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Speaker 1: And the Milwaukee Bucks did everything right in that series

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Speaker 1: and still came literally this close to losing to an

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Speaker 1: underman next team because of what Kevin Durant can do

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Speaker 1: scoring the basketball regardless of the defense that he's facing.

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Speaker 1: That's Kevin Durant. I know that's Kevin Durant because that's

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Speaker 1: what Kevin Durant has in his entire career, with exception

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Speaker 1: of a handful of bad series. He had a bad

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Speaker 1: series against the Memphis Grizzlies, he had a bad series

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Speaker 1: against the Golden State Warriors, and he had a bad

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Speaker 1: series against the Boston Celtics. Those three have been mixed

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Speaker 1: around a ton of really impressive playoff performances. He is

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Speaker 1: a pull up jump shooter, so he's going to have

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Speaker 1: stretches where he doesn't shoot well. That's a natural side

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Speaker 1: effect of that archetype. On Monday, I did a whole

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Speaker 1: video about that, about the superstar archetypes, and I talked

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Speaker 1: about how these big scoring wings they're a little susceptible

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Speaker 1: to their shot going cold. It happened to Kawhi Leonard

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00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: against the Denver Nuggets in the bubble, if you guys remember.

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Speaker 1: So it's just kind of a part of the downside

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Speaker 1: with that archetype. But the upside is still there. He

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Speaker 1: still is an unguardable isolation player who can be a

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Speaker 1: dominant rim protector when he's engaged defensively. To me, don't

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Speaker 1: ignore all of that just because he had a bad

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Speaker 1: week of basketball. I could not agree with you more.

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Speaker 1: And just some more stats to provide context of that.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the resume. This was his first playoff

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Speaker 1: run under sixty true shooting, which is an elite mark

565
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: since he wasn't. Okay, see, it's his first playoff rum

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Speaker 1: not scoring twenty eight or more points per game since

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Speaker 1: his first ever appearance when he was twenty one years old.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, the raw production was still there.

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Speaker 1: It was just the turnovers and it was the inefficiency.

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Speaker 1: But I completely agree with you, of course. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's as perfect a pull up jump shooter as there is.

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Speaker 1: He's to me a top two score of the basketball

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Speaker 1: of all time. Like the reactionary stuff of it all

574
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Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And one playoff ago was one of his

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Speaker 1: most outstanding individual performances ever where he put up thirty

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Speaker 1: four game in that run, and we know what he

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Speaker 1: did pushing Milwaukee has a score and a playmaker, So

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's seen skill regression since then. Nothing

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Speaker 1: changed with him during the regular season. He had a

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Speaker 1: really bad matchup in a really bad series and that's that.

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Speaker 1: So his regular season numbers were insane, Like yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's gotten better as a playmaker. He had a career

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Speaker 1: season there. He had his high scoring season in almost

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Speaker 1: a decade. On mind blowing efficiency, and nothing that he's

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Speaker 1: doing there is not replicable. I mean, he's as unguardable

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Speaker 1: of a player as there is because you talk about

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Speaker 1: what the pull up jump shooting mold. When you're deadly

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Speaker 1: accurate in your seven ft tall and you have the

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Speaker 1: handle that he does, like, it's really really hard to

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Speaker 1: take that away. So I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 1: it's clearly an outlier performance, and I think that people

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00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: generally have been overly reactionary to that as this kind

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Speaker 1: of the tendency with all things. But it's like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's a week, it's four games, it's not even you know,

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Speaker 1: a normal full series. But we did see, of course,

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Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum and that Celtics defense overall give him some

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Speaker 1: fits and make some things tough, and I matchup applying

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Speaker 1: some pretty intense pressure causing him to lose the handle,

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Speaker 1: the turnovers increase. We've talked about Tatum a bit already,

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Speaker 1: and Jason, you're obviously a big advocate of his and

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Speaker 1: what he did in that run. We have a quote

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Speaker 1: from Matt Dubois two on Twitter. Could you see Tatum

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Speaker 1: taking that leap into the top three to five guys

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Speaker 1: by the other next season, Jason, it's possible. The problem

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00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: is is the guys that are ahead of him are

606
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: very good as well as the guys that are rising

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00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: with him are very good. Like, it's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to imagine him passing Luca, you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to It's It's like Steph Curry

610
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Speaker 1: is still very much at the top of his game.

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Speaker 1: Lebron is going to be fading out of this picture.

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Speaker 1: But even Kevin Durant probably has another solid three or

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Speaker 1: four years at the top of his game. Janice has

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Speaker 1: a strangle hold on that number one spot. So if

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Speaker 1: you really start to think about it, we're looking at

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Speaker 1: We're looking at uh, Steph, Janice, k d Luca at

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Speaker 1: a minimum. But could Tatum crack into that five spot. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's all on the table, Katie. You know, Katie could

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Speaker 1: decline Lebron's declining he um uh. The thing with you,

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Speaker 1: the with Tatum. That's gonna be interesting to watch as

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Speaker 1: his playmaking this particular playoff run was very up up

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Speaker 1: and down for him in that regard, which is not

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Speaker 1: exactly that big of a shock. He kind of was

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00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: your textbook play finishing scoring wing who has been refashioned

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: into more of a point forward type of archetype where

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: he's making more decisions, and so you can tell when

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Speaker 1: he's in that frame of mind and he's actively looking

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Speaker 1: to pass the basketball and make plays for his teammates,

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Speaker 1: everything is well oiled. And the numbers showed that. Just look.

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Speaker 1: Just go to Basketball Reference and look at this Celtics

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Speaker 1: playoff run and sort for Tatum's assists from highest so

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Speaker 1: lois and see what happens with the wins and losses

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Speaker 1: as a result of that. And you could see the

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Speaker 1: opposite side of that. In all of those ugly Boston

635
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: Celtics losses, it was almost like Tatum's approach shifted. He

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Speaker 1: would drive into traffic instead of viewing the traffic as

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for him to hit an open teammate on

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Speaker 1: the week side of the floor. He was less willing

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Speaker 1: to make. You know, look, one of the most important

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Speaker 1: things for a primary initiator is to just at the

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Speaker 1: ball reversed like you don't have to every single time,

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Speaker 1: get into the paint and kick it out like it

643
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Speaker 1: might be as simple as you just coming off of

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Speaker 1: a ball screen, getting a help defender to commit a

645
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Speaker 1: little bit swing pass and then go relocate. Like little

646
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Speaker 1: stuff like that can do. It can do a lot

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Speaker 1: to get a defense into rotation. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things you'll notice with the best players of that ilk,

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Speaker 1: the Lebron's and the Lucas of the world, the big

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Speaker 1: point forwards is they have dozens of possessions every game

651
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Speaker 1: where they just do that, just little simple things to

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Speaker 1: kind of get the offense oiled and moving, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. And and so if Tatum figures that

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Speaker 1: out to where his fame of mind stays in the

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Speaker 1: right place, where he's more active as a playmaker, then

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Speaker 1: he absolutely enters into that group. Because now we're talking

657
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Speaker 1: about a guy who can efficiently score points a game,

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Speaker 1: who is capable of putting up seven assists a night,

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Speaker 1: and who was one of the best perimeter defenders in basketball,

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Speaker 1: and that that's basically Kevin Durant. So I don't see

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Speaker 1: any reason why he can't enter into that conversation. He

662
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: just needs some guys to decline, and then he needs

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Speaker 1: to become more consistent as a playmaker. I think regardless.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's undeniable with all of this is just

665
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Speaker 1: the insane talent in the league. I mean, you go

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Speaker 1: ten deep and you're still looking at clear superstar caliber players.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you had Quiet ten right, and part of

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Speaker 1: that is obviously health available what he's done lately. But regardless,

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, you know, three years ago led like an

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Speaker 1: all time playoff run and hasn't like really regressed as

671
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Speaker 1: a basketball player since then. He just hasn't been healthy.

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Speaker 1: So take whoever you want out of that list, you know,

673
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Speaker 1: and be at eight, yok which at seven, like it's

674
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Speaker 1: just crazy, crazy basketball talent. Okay. So we've got a

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Speaker 1: little bit more pushedback here from del A o Do

676
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Speaker 1: on Twitter, who says Lebron should be the second best

677
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Speaker 1: player behind the honest because you switched out Lebron and

678
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Speaker 1: any player, he would accomplish more than that player and

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00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: they would do less than Lebron did with the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: The only exception to that is Janice. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about that, Jason? So obviously the bane of my

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00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: existence is Steph fans and Lebron fans, which is positively

683
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: hilarious to me because they are literally my two favorite players.

684
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Speaker 1: Lebron is my favorite player in the world and Steff

685
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: is my second favorite player in the world. But because

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00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't literally worship the ground they walk on, and

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Speaker 1: because I because I take my job seriously as someone

688
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Speaker 1: who's who's analyzes the game and it's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: fair and unbiased. Even though I have my biases, I

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00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: try to fight them as much as I can. Like it.

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Speaker 1: It just I deal with this all the time where

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Speaker 1: it's like, I'll I have a forty five minute video

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Speaker 1: on YouTube where forty four minutes of it it's just

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Speaker 1: ME talking about how amazing Steff was, and there's just

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Speaker 1: droves of Steph fans that are disappointed because I didn't

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00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: actually say he was perfect, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, and that's one of those things, like,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, Lebron fans. If I had a playoff

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Speaker 1: series tomorrow and I was certain that Lebron James was

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Speaker 1: healthy and the teams were evenly matched, there's a decent

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Speaker 1: chance that I would think really hard about taking Lebron

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Speaker 1: number one because of that specific scenario and how devastating

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00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: I know he can be in that in a seven

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00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: game series when he has chances to make adjustments and

705
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: to where on people physically and stuff. Here's the problem

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00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: that's that's not how basketball works. There's eighty two games

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Speaker 1: and then you have to win four playoffs series. The

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00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: reality of the situation is Lebron James just played the

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Speaker 1: worst defensive season of his entire career, and it was

710
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: directly a one of the things that was responsible for

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: that team being such an inconsistent effort team and such

712
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: an atrocious defensive team. I can't, in in my right

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Speaker 1: mind be like he's above Steph the dude who, even

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Speaker 1: though he's not as impactful on the defensive end as

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Speaker 1: Lebron when he's engaged, he at least tried on defense

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Speaker 1: all season long. He said a tone for his team

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00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: which resonated down the roster and led to a perennially

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00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: bad offensive defensive player and Andrew Wiggins to have one

719
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: of the most dominant defensive playoff runs we've seen from

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Speaker 1: a wing. That what, I can't in my right mind

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00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: lift Lebron above guys who had better seasons. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I if I had a series tomorrow, I might

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Speaker 1: take him. But that's not what this question was. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Lebron fans, they have such a blind spot

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00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: for this stuff, and it's crazy to me, like it's

726
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: just it's like his effort was downright embarrassing on a

727
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: lot of nights this year. On a lot of nights,

728
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Speaker 1: I I can't be like, oh, he's the best player

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00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: in the world. It's just disrespectful to people who are

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00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: trying harder, let alone that are that accomplished more this year.

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00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. I think that's very well put.

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00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: And I think that there will always be the the

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Speaker 1: Lebron people who really cannot be reasoned with. It's like

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Speaker 1: you said, Lebron and Steph, it's kind of some of

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00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 1: the culture, and uh, you're doing your best to cut

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Speaker 1: through a Jason. I think we can all appreciate that.

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00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: I think we can. And you know, sure sometimes you're

738
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: a little harder on Nikola yokers than I would like.

739
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: It's always grounded in very sound basketball logic, and you know,

740
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: point out legitimate flaws in his game, and so even

741
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: I can live with that, you know, all right, last

742
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: thing here, obviously you went through he shouted out in

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00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: that first video a couple of guys who were among

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00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: the first off, who is the player who was not

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00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: on your top twenty five list this year but you

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00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: expect to be on their next year? Oh, man, that's

747
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: such a good question. Man. This could go a bunch

748
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: of different directions. Um. You could look at rookies right like,

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Speaker 1: I'm super high on Jade and Ivy. I could see

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00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: him really quickly becoming one of the most unguardable two

751
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: guards that we have in the league. Um, Palo's ability

752
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: to score the basketball super interesting. But those guys are

753
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: so young and they're so unpolished in the details of

754
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: their game would probably be unfair. Um Man, this is

755
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: a tough one. I would say that the guy it

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Speaker 1: I could see potentially venturing back into that list as

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00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: a guy like Bradley Beale. Um. This is a guy

758
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: that has ability at a similar level to Devin Booker.

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00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: He's just nowhere nears committed on the defensive end of

760
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: the floor, and he's been floundering in mediocrity with a

761
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: with a team with the Washington Wizards who actually put

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00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: some quality role players around him this year, and then

763
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: he got hurt. But you could see a version of

764
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: this story where he gets healthy and the Wizards have

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00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: quality role players around him and he has a better

766
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: season where he averages twenty seven points a game and

767
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: makes a playoff team and then you have to put

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Speaker 1: him onto that list. But man, this is top This

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Speaker 1: is a this is a really tough question. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: genuinely curious to hear what your opinion this, Carson, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think Beal is a great choice. I think he's

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Speaker 1: kind of the first guy who jumped out of me

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00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: because you know, his last two primarily healthy seasons before

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00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: this one, he was thirty plus a game. He's progressed

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00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: as a playmaker. Like you said, I mean, I've always

776
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: thought that he and Book are the two most versatile

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00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: scoring two guards who we have. Book maybe sets himself

778
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: a part of it with the post game, but outside

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00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: of that, Bradley Bell can do everything pretty much as

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Speaker 1: a scoring guard. I was thinking about the ascent of

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00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: some young guys too, and I don't think we can

782
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Speaker 1: expect it of any incoming rookies this year because that's

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00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: a huge leap to take. But I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: some guys from last year's class. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: Evan Mobili potentially if he progressed a bit offensively, if

786
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: the perimeter shop becomes more reliable, if he becomes a

787
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: bit more assertive, because defensively, you know, he's at that

788
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: all defense level, and he's a good offensive basketball player

789
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: with a really strong foundation. But it's insane how much

790
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: talent there is. I mean, you know, I'm Scott that

791
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: rocky class. It could literally be you know, I don't

792
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: think Jalen Green can get there quite yet, but Kade

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Speaker 1: I could see totally, you know, having a twenty plus

794
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: seven point per game, reasonably efficient season where he's a

795
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: plus defender. It's just a monster class. So top twenty

796
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: five that early, with how talented the league is right now,

797
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: is a lot to ask. But if anybody's gonna do it,

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00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be that batch of guys.

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Speaker 1: But I think deal is a very good one. As

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Speaker 1: far as established guys who would expect to return. The

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00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: last name that I'd like to throw out there is

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00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson. Oh absolutely. If he has a season where

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00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: he averages, you know, twenty eight points a game on

804
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: six shooting or something something ridiculous shooting like it's and

805
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: he's such a matchup problem to that kind of automatically

806
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: puts him on that list. The Pelicans are gonna be

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00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: a really interesting team to watch this year, and if

808
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: they stay healthy, they'll they'll they'll be really interesting. Is

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00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: that it for the mail bag? Is that all our questions?

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00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: That's all we got, all right, everybody has always We

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Speaker 1: sincerely appreciate your support, and we will see you in

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Speaker 1: a couple of days. The volume