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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jack Dam. I'm Kinnannie Stevens. We have some

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Speaker 1: mothers joining us today as we go over our off

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Speaker 1: and what we're going to be doing for the to

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Speaker 1: do list, big thing number one is going to be

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Speaker 1: coaching vacancies. As we know the defensive staff here, Mike

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Speaker 1: Caldwell and his staff were let go. Also some offensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson talked a little bit about coaching and what

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Speaker 1: he's looking for in terms of moving forward and about

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Speaker 1: fixing mistakes when they happen on the field.

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Speaker 2: You get down the road during the season, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: you do as coaches sometimes we say, you know what,

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Speaker 2: we'll get that in the meeting. We'll fix that in

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Speaker 2: the meeting, and you do, you fix it. But I

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Speaker 2: want to fix it on the field. If Trevor makes

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Speaker 2: a poortousion on the field with a throw, let's let's

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Speaker 2: positive reinforcement. Let's let him get it again, even though

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Speaker 2: he knows exactly where to go with the ball. Let's

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Speaker 2: make let him make that decision differently. Right. So, but

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes we get we get caught up too much,

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Speaker 2: and you know, let's fix it in the meeting and

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Speaker 2: we'll fix it tomorrow, when when, in reality, we need

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Speaker 2: to fix it right then, Brian.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of new coaches around here

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Speaker 1: next year. Doug talked a little bit more about the

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Speaker 1: philosophy of kind of fixing things as they happen, not

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know what you're gonna get is

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Speaker 3: somebody who says I want to attack. Has there ever

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Speaker 3: been a defensive coordinator at his introductory press conference that

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Speaker 3: didn't talk about attacking? I think what's interesting, guy, is

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Speaker 3: the market is flooded all of a sudden with coaches

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I anticipate, and this could be wrong, but I've

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Speaker 4: been wrong with four Bryan. That's why you well once

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Speaker 4: in the seventies. But it I would be surprised if

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Speaker 4: it's not a coordinator with previous coordinator experience, just because

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Speaker 4: my callwell did not have that, and you would think

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Speaker 4: usually go in a different direction. It's sort of the cliche,

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Speaker 4: but it often happens. And Doug is very much the

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Speaker 4: type that once the defensive coordinator. Doug's gonna run the offense.

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Speaker 4: I was run the whole team, but he's not going

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Speaker 4: to get overly involved in the defense on a you know,

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Speaker 4: an experienced coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: As Brian said at they'll attack. I'd never heard anybody

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Speaker 4: an impress or say we're gonna be passive on defense.

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Speaker 4: I would I would certainly perk up if that happened

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Speaker 4: IBE this happens. But I think I think it'll be experienced.

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Speaker 4: I don't know the scheme, but uh, a wise old

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Speaker 1: Let's go to big thing number two on our to

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Speaker 1: There's some big names here that'll be free agents. Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: looking for in free agency and the fact he'd like

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Speaker 5: Of course, I mean I learned these guys, Uh build

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Speaker 5: a relationships with relationships with them. I don't really have

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Speaker 5: really care to learn other people and plays and all

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Speaker 5: that other stuff right now. But uh, you know, God

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Speaker 5: is gonna find out where I belong. And you know,

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Speaker 5: if the money right, you know, I do need some

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Speaker 5: of that, we'll well, we're gonna figure it out. But

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Speaker 5: I got a definitely teach. There's all season for me

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Speaker 5: personally to get better, you know, so I'm coming back

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Speaker 1: If the money's right, he wants to come back, John,

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Speaker 1: is this a priority for this team? Obviously Josh Allen's

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a priority to figure it out, and I

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Speaker 4: seems like Calvin particularly, he was not the fourteen hundred yard,

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Speaker 4: He's a thousand yard receiver. He showed at various times

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Speaker 4: what the money will be to know what Calvin will

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Speaker 3: And of course it's not just the money, it's if

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Speaker 3: And you've got to be brutally honest with yourself because

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Speaker 1: That's our final big thing today is we look ahead

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Speaker 1: And this is a team that needs to build up

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. Although Doug Peterson did talk about the

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Speaker 1: more for consistency than necessarily adding new pieces.

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Speaker 2: When guys are playing together for three games, it's not

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Speaker 2: long enough because then we're making another switch, right, another

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Speaker 2: they're playing together for three or four more games, and

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Speaker 2: And then you know, so the consistency and the continuity

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Speaker 2: We've talked about it, and here too is you know,

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Speaker 2: a little bit. But sometimes just just go back to

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Speaker 1: Typically, John that was a lot of talk about the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, But there has to be some needs there addressed.

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Speaker 1: Even if it is you have your starting lineup in

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Speaker 1: they need some backups because we saw a lot of

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, I think that. And I got a lot

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Speaker 4: offensive line. Oh how could he say there's not changes.

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Speaker 4: Here's how the off season works. Coaching vacancies are addressed immediately.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing. Doug gains nothing by coming out twenty four

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Speaker 4: is a time in the off season, in the three

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Speaker 4: I don't think the entire offensive line is back. Maybe

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Speaker 4: it is, but I would not necessarily take his comments

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Speaker 4: I think the first round pick will be an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 4: Could be wrong, but that's the way I would go.

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Speaker 3: They had all season to fix the interior of the

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Speaker 3: they don't have the players in the middle of that

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Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars on the salary gap. I don't see

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Speaker 3: most important play of the season. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: you forward there. That's me saying it, not Doug. You

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Speaker 3: you'll hope that you can do that at number seventeen

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Speaker 1: We'll go over some of those options coming up, and

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Speaker 1: we'll also look at the free agents that are both

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Speaker 1: we try to recap everything for you from the regular season,

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Speaker 1: we look a little bit ahead to the postseason as well,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna do a little bit of looking at

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Speaker 1: free agency. There's a decent number of names that are

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Speaker 1: on the Jaguars unrestricted for agency. The couple I've highlighted

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Speaker 1: for you guys to look at. Obviously, Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: we talked about the offensive line. Ezra Cleveland is someone

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Speaker 1: Who's Who's some names that jump out to you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Cleveland's a guy that you know a

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Speaker 3: wanted him back. Smooth's a guy that in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 3: Sorry about these boys, twenty twenty four should be a

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Speaker 4: John.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of interesting names, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: you know you're looking at your where do you go elsewhere?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's what's available.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, a lot of these guys are the kind

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Speaker 4: They're veterans who have been around. They're also I agree

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Speaker 3: And wing Martindale's inna sure people are familiar with giants.

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Speaker 1: It is almost someone you'd imagine would be like, not

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Speaker 1: the end of the year. The locker clean out was

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Speaker 1: It was tough way to end things, losing five of

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Speaker 1: and he said, you know, they still haven't figured out

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Speaker 7: It's hard in football to just be able to pinpoint

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Speaker 7: You got to go out there and you got to

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Speaker 1: Just weren't ready, John, I know you were there for

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Speaker 4: I think what the veterans hope is that there are

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Speaker 1: So I don't know Telvis says they didn't have the juice,

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Speaker 1: but whatever you want to call it, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: all felt something was going wrong, and it's nice to

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Speaker 1: obviously when you're in it. I'm sure the players don't

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Speaker 1: want to admit that, but they felt it too right.

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Speaker 1: And now that you're away from it, you can kind

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Speaker 1: of look back, think about what that actually was John,

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Speaker 1: and try to address it. Because when you're in it,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're like, oh, we can fix this, let's not

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Speaker 1: you know, go overboard with it. But now you can

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Speaker 1: look at it objectively and be like, yeah, something was up.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's always the big mystery when you're in a

447
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Speaker 4: streak like that had to pull out of it, and

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Speaker 4: when you win, it tends to build one way, and

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Speaker 4: then when you lose, it's sort of go the other way.

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Speaker 4: They didn't play bad against Cincinnati. They didn't play I

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Speaker 4: mean overall the events didn't play well. Was you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying it was it was a tight game

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Speaker 4: against a team that finished nine and eight. They didn't

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Speaker 4: They played awful against Cleveland, but were close, so you

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Speaker 4: felt like it was still there. And then something with

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Speaker 4: Baltimore the way they pulled away at the end. They

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Speaker 4: never got it back after that. But I almost feel

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Speaker 4: like if the Baltimore loss had been on its own,

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't have had that building feeling in the locker room,

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Speaker 4: but you did get the idea of it's slipping away

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Speaker 4: and them not knowing quite how to grab a hold

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Speaker 4: of it and turn it around. If the field goal

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Speaker 4: goes through against Cincinnati, yeah maybe it changes. Then everything

464
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Speaker 4: sort of feels different, But that's not the way the

465
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Speaker 4: league works. Well, is what you get.

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Speaker 3: As it slipped away, It was the same things. It

467
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Speaker 3: was the turnovers, it was the penalties, it was it

468
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Speaker 3: was the same mistakes.

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Speaker 4: So you press, you get, Hey, I've got to do it.

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Speaker 4: I've got to jump in this gap because I want

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Speaker 4: to make the play. And every coach I've ever been

472
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Speaker 4: around has always talked about how the one thing you

473
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Speaker 4: can't have is guys thinking that they have to do

474
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Speaker 4: more than what their job is. But yet, when you

475
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Speaker 4: get in a situation at the end of the season

476
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Speaker 4: where you've lost a bunch, human nature is Brian's voice

477
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Speaker 4: is bad. Well, I want to step in and make

478
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Speaker 4: a play to help him out. You know, That's that's

479
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Speaker 4: a natural feeling in a team sport sometimes that heck,

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Speaker 4: I gotta make a play here. Well, I thought where

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't throw it. I gotta make a play here,

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Speaker 4: I jump. I gotta make a play here, I jump

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Speaker 4: out of the gap. That was sort of the story

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Speaker 4: of the season. They'll reset it. I think the important

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Speaker 4: thing to remember is we wrap up. They're not one

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Speaker 4: in fifteen now they're nine and eight, So you're not

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Speaker 4: starting from the depths. It feels like the depths because

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Speaker 4: you lost five or six, but they were one play away,

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Speaker 4: not eight games away. Now, don't settle for that. But

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Speaker 4: it's not like you can't readjust and get this thing

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Speaker 4: going again.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: They're not the worst team in football, but they were

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Speaker 4: fairly it's pretty close to at the end of the season,

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Speaker 4: the way they were playing under twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Doug said he wasn't gonna settled, and he made changes

497
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Speaker 3: to the staff. They'll make changes to the roster. They

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Speaker 3: won't stand back, and.

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Speaker 1: They need to because change cannot only be coaching, cause

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Speaker 1: there has to be the players on the field as well,

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Speaker 1: and that goes to Trevor as well. He played hurt

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Speaker 1: a lot of this year. Very commendable, battling through at

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Speaker 1: least four different injuries, but there's question marks about his

504
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Speaker 1: development as the mistakes that he's made throughout the season,

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Speaker 1: He's being held accountable just like everybody else. Evan Ingram

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about his quarterback and what he's

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Speaker 1: expecting to see from Trevor moving forward.

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Speaker 8: Honestly, in the in the adversity, there's a lesson to

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Speaker 8: be learned and there's growth to be had, and I

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Speaker 8: think a lot of things that we all experience, especially

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Speaker 8: Trevor experience this year. He has the right mindset, and

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Speaker 8: he has the right team around him and the right

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Speaker 8: you know, I think he has the right face to

514
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Speaker 8: understand that, you know, things happen for a reason, and

515
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Speaker 8: you know, we all can grow better for him. We

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Speaker 8: all can use this, like I said, part of our

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Speaker 8: story to enable us to truly be who is supposed

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Speaker 8: to be.

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Speaker 1: John. We talked a lot about this being a year

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Speaker 1: for Trevor to kind of establish himself, and now it

521
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Speaker 1: turns to next year and it really becomes that point

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Speaker 1: where when you're getting closer to extending him or whatever

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Speaker 1: you're gonna do with him in the future. Next year

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Speaker 1: is a huge year for him. It is, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's so hard to judge.

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Speaker 4: I thought he was improving. I liked a lot of

527
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Speaker 4: things I saw until the high ankle spring, and then

528
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Speaker 4: he leaves three of the last five games with injuries.

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Speaker 4: I get one of things Trevor said at his locker

530
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Speaker 4: is people are gonna have opinions. They're not going to

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Speaker 4: be great. That's gonna be his off season. He knows that,

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Speaker 4: he gets it. I firmly believe he's still the guy

533
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Speaker 4: moving forward. But I also think both sides are now

534
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Speaker 4: in a situation where it's tough to pay that contract

535
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Speaker 4: because it's hard to know where it is. So I

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Speaker 4: don't know if they'll put it on hold. I could

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Speaker 4: see it being put on hold just to clear things up.

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine both fifty year options won't be picked

539
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Speaker 4: up Travis Etn and Trevor Lawrence. But to clear things up,

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Speaker 4: that's not a contract, that's just we want to make

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Speaker 4: sure you're here for that fifth year. So don't think

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Speaker 4: there's any money going out the window. It's not committing

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Speaker 4: to anything. It's just making sure these guys are here.

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Speaker 4: There's a little bit of fifty year money, but it's

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Speaker 4: not a long term deal. They'll do that. I don't

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Speaker 4: quite know what that conversation will hold, because once you

547
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Speaker 4: get into big quarterback money. Precedents don't always apply, so

548
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Speaker 4: they could figure out, hey, we want to make this work.

549
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Speaker 4: We would have some incentive to you. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I think they wait.

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Speaker 3: I do too, and they have the luxury of the

552
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Speaker 3: fourth year and then the fifth year option. So they

553
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Speaker 3: want to pay him. He wants to get paid, but

554
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Speaker 3: they need to see more and so you now have

555
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Speaker 3: the chance to improve and take the pressure off. Although

556
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Speaker 3: there's always pressure with the franchise quarterback, sure.

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Speaker 1: And we'll deal with that as the season moves forward

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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty four. Stay with us. We'll come back

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Speaker 1: after the break. We talk to you a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what's going on in the off season. Here and Taglams.

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Speaker 1: Athlete of the Week, Jackson Copeland. Jackson has proven academic excellence,

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Speaker 1: dedication to the community, and demonstrated leadership on and off

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Speaker 1: secondary educa channel and career goals. Jackson is hoping to

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Speaker 1: attend Florida State next year. Congratulations to Jackson, and we

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Speaker 1: are strongly going to the off season ourselves right now,

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Speaker 1: a little earlier than we would have liked, but we're

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Speaker 1: moving ahead.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: What are we looking forward to? I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: kind of the the search for this coach, right and

578
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Speaker 1: that'll obviously be the focus right out of the gate,

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Speaker 1: because you got to get someone in here quickly and

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Speaker 1: make sure you get the guy that you want to

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Speaker 1: get and then kind of going from there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I started building what I just talked about

583
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Speaker 4: about being nine and eight. There's a feeling that I

584
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Speaker 4: get from listening to fans like all hope is lost. Right, Well,

585
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Speaker 4: think about Bryan since I've been back and we've been

586
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Speaker 4: working together, which has been great, by the way, Well

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Speaker 4: you'd come back in twenty eleven, Well, think about the

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Speaker 4: off seasons that you went in and the roster that

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Speaker 4: it was in some years, this roster has Travis Tn,

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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, Trayvon Walker, Foya, Lukan Evan Ingram.

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Speaker 4: There are pieces there, you know, and there's two outside

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Speaker 4: linebackers are good pieces, Travis etn. You know. My point

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Speaker 4: is there has been years where you were looking for

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Speaker 4: one guy who was on that level, right, So it's

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Speaker 4: not lost. You're not in the drags. You have to

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Speaker 4: figure out a way to make some changes. And basically

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Speaker 4: they figure out way to get the message across that

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Speaker 4: don't stay out of your own way. If they can

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Speaker 4: rebuild that, the future can still be bright. But there's

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Speaker 4: work ahead at the same.

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Speaker 3: Time, Josh and Calvin, just because the Salur Cavin general

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Speaker 3: Calvin because it impacks the draft strategy.

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Speaker 1: Sooner than later, so you can figure everything else out.

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine as well, we're gonna take a brief break

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Speaker 1: here on Jagsam. We're gonna take a couple of weeks off,

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Speaker 1: but we'll be back after the super Bowl, so don't

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Speaker 1: we won't be without us for the whole off season,

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Speaker 1: but we'll take a couple of weeks off and then

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Speaker 1: we'll be back as we dive into that off season

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Speaker 1: and what they're gonna be working on. And we thank

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Speaker 1: you as always for joining us here on jag Zam.

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Speaker 1: See soon