Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky? Hey, Juky, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I said, Ima Nandez Police, Hey boo, it's me Roz
Speaker 1: and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where
Speaker 1: I talk to people that I like about the paranormal
Speaker 1: and ooh do I love this person today, Deborah d
Speaker 1: g o Vanni. If you don't know the comedy of
Speaker 1: Deborah d Giovanni, I will give her an endorsement. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you some of your favorite comedians. They'll
Speaker 1: all tell you deb is that girl. She is so funny.
Speaker 1: If you ever get the chance to see her where
Speaker 1: you live, go but you'll see what I'm talking about
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, let me read you a tale.
Speaker 1: This one comes from Jamie. Jamie writes, Hi, Roz love
Speaker 1: you love the show. Thanks Jamie. A few years ago,
Speaker 1: I was back home visiting my family. Standing in the
Speaker 1: kitchen of my parents' home with my brother, niece and nephew,
Speaker 1: and a family friend. We were recounting funny stories of
Speaker 1: our dearly departed Grandpa Duncan, who had passed away the
Speaker 1: previous year. Gramp, as we called him, had a great
Speaker 1: sense of humor and was a bit of a trickster.
Speaker 1: I was telling the story of him teaching me to
Speaker 1: drive when I was sixteen. I was at the wheel
Speaker 1: of his little red pickup truck and Gramp was in
Speaker 1: the passenger seat. He would casually stick his arm out
Speaker 1: of the window and slap the side of the truck
Speaker 1: for no good reason other than to mess with me.
Speaker 1: My family and I are all having a good laugh
Speaker 1: at this story, and then a crash from the next room.
Speaker 1: We all stopped and looked at each other. I walked
Speaker 1: into the adjoining room to see what had caused the commotion.
Speaker 1: There on the floor, in front of an open closet
Speaker 1: lay the door harp. A door harp is a little
Speaker 1: wooden plaque that you hang at a door, with three
Speaker 1: metal strings affixed to it and three wooden balls that
Speaker 1: hang so that they ding the strings. These door harps
Speaker 1: were popular in our family during the nineties. This particular
Speaker 1: door harp was heart shaped and painted on it where
Speaker 1: the words home is where the heart is. I turned
Speaker 1: to show everyone else. We all looked at each other
Speaker 1: and all exclaimed Gramp along with what the fuck, holy shit,
Speaker 1: how did that happen. When I went to replace the
Speaker 1: door harp to the shelf it had long sat on
Speaker 1: in the closet, I noticed nothing else had fallen or
Speaker 1: been disturbed. Somehow, it was just the door harp that
Speaker 1: had flown off the shelf for no good reason other
Speaker 1: than to mess with me. Such a grandpa duncan move.
Speaker 1: Oh Grandpa duncan. I love that, he said. Does someone
Speaker 1: say my name? Let me pluck this harp real quick.
Speaker 1: That's adorable. Thanks for sending that, Jamie. And if you
Speaker 1: want to send me a ghost story to read on
Speaker 1: the show, I'd love to read it. Just send it
Speaker 1: to ghosted by rozat gmail dot com. All right, let's
Speaker 1: talk to the hilarious Deborah d Giovanni and with the show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't believe it, you guys, I
Speaker 1: found her the funniest woman in the world. Debra di Giovanni, Hello.
Speaker 2: Here, Thank you for bringing me here back to life
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: You kill me. I'm already laughing.
Speaker 2: Stop. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm so good? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm all right.
Speaker 3: I just got back from Canada last night.
Speaker 1: And you are Canadian.
Speaker 3: I am Canadian.
Speaker 2: This I wasn't in the part of Canada that I'm from.
Speaker 2: I'm East coast, I'm from Toronto. But this was right
Speaker 2: in the middle, in the prairies, so dry. I've had
Speaker 2: to dip myself in vassily in this morning. I just
Speaker 2: have to. I have to bring moisture back into my body. Wow,
Speaker 2: negative ten degrees celsius. I don't know what that is,
Speaker 2: fair night, I can't help you, but it's could well.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you grew up in Canada. When did you
Speaker 1: move to America? Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, twenty fourteen, right as Trump, I thought, this
Speaker 2: is the time to go.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's beautiful time.
Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, immigrants, and so yeah, that was It's been God,
Speaker 2: it's been this since my tenth year. I guess.
Speaker 3: Wow, minus the pandemic, minus the pandemic.
Speaker 1: But other than that, well, since we talk about like
Speaker 1: ghosts and spiritual stuff here, do you feel that going
Speaker 1: from Canada to Los Angeles, I'm sure you're around more
Speaker 1: people that have crystals than have been to a psychic
Speaker 1: and know about astrology. Has that affected you at all?
Speaker 2: God? Bless. I don't think I knew anyone in Toronto.
Speaker 2: I'm not joking. I didn't need a crystal person I
Speaker 2: really didn't, So that is that is definitely a new thing.
Speaker 2: I knew some people that were you know, would want
Speaker 2: to do my chart and stuff, but crystal the new.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: So do you own any crystals I have been given?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I have a feeling people have
Speaker 1: gifted you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think people see that I need something, so
Speaker 2: they give me a crystal. I find a lot of
Speaker 2: Please take this. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1: I can hurt.
Speaker 3: I'll take it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'll take it. You want to wear it my bra yes, please,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't seek it out, but if
Speaker 2: it comes to me, I take it. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I accept.
Speaker 1: Do you know what kind do you have?
Speaker 2: I definitely have some rose courts somewhere. Oh and that
Speaker 2: Lindsay Adams, Oh, that Lindsay Adams. She's given me a
Speaker 2: handful of things.
Speaker 1: You are aren't You're in a relationship.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 2: He comes back tonight. He's in he's been in Italy
Speaker 2: for about a month.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know how.
Speaker 2: Gross Italy and Paris and wherever else he's been.
Speaker 1: Dear God, Well get that rose quarts out. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all about attracting love and self love.
Speaker 3: And I know it's worked.
Speaker 2: I can finally take it out of my bra thank god,
Speaker 2: it's been there for years.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when it comes to just generally speaking, supernatural, paranormal,
Speaker 1: go all of it. How do you feel about it?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's get right into it. I grew up
Speaker 2: in a religious household. What kind Mom and dad like
Speaker 2: were what we would call a born again Christian. Oh
Speaker 2: so they went from like dad being Catholic, mom being
Speaker 2: whatever else was not Catholic, was a Protestant. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, we went to church on
Speaker 2: Sundays for you know, appearances. But then somewhere, like when
Speaker 2: I was about twelve years old, my mother and father
Speaker 2: both found Jesus. He was behind the fridge.
Speaker 3: If you're wondering, We spot the crowds, but.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, a piece of toast they got just
Speaker 1: hanging out. You know, we found him.
Speaker 2: You know here he is.
Speaker 3: Thank God.
Speaker 2: All these years so things got a little strange dead
Speaker 2: And I tell you this because like it wasn't a
Speaker 2: fun household, do you know what I mean? Like it wasn't
Speaker 2: that sort of like believing in, you know, interesting things
Speaker 2: and being opened mind. It wasn't it was religious, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so my mother and father never were a proponent of that.
Speaker 2: But that being said, my mother, in all of the
Speaker 2: religiousness and all of the Christianity, told me never to
Speaker 2: play with the wija board. This is the only thing
Speaker 2: she ever said. She said, I'm going to tell you
Speaker 2: this right now. If you ask spirits to come, they
Speaker 2: will come. And I'm telling you forty years later, I've
Speaker 2: never used a wija board in my whole life, and
Speaker 2: I'm a little fearful, to be honest. So I definitely believe,
Speaker 2: but I don't think I have a very good relationship.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have a good sort of
Speaker 2: vibe on it, do you know what I mean? Because
Speaker 2: my mom made it scary, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about wija boards all the time on
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I am the self appointed pr for
Speaker 1: OUGI Incorporated, and I'm also like the defense attorney for them,
Speaker 1: and I think that they've been given a bad rap
Speaker 1: fair enough. I think that there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: why people think that they're bad. But you know, now,
Speaker 1: when your mom says, if you ask spirits to come,
Speaker 1: they'll come. I think that weed boords are just one
Speaker 1: way that you can ask spirits to come. I think
Speaker 1: that people do it in all different kinds of ways.
Speaker 2: Percent it's such a religious like everything is a little
Speaker 2: doom and gloom, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: My mother, also my sex stock was also if you
Speaker 2: have sex, I'll kill you.
Speaker 3: So this is where I'm coming from. Do you understand?
Speaker 1: And then I'm not gonna contact you through a Ouiji
Speaker 1: board exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: You'll never see me again, you know, That's it. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where we're coming from. But I'm still open. I
Speaker 2: think there's been a couple spooky sort of like unexplainable
Speaker 2: instances in my life.
Speaker 3: Not many give it to us.
Speaker 2: Okay. So my grandfather on my mom's side was my favorite,
Speaker 2: and he passed away when I was young.
Speaker 3: I was probably eleven, but he was.
Speaker 2: He was dynamite British from the Isle of Wight, and
Speaker 2: then yet I think he had Scottish in his family
Speaker 2: because he used to wear a tam which is like
Speaker 2: a Scottish beret. I believe cute, right, old man wearing
Speaker 2: that all the time cute And he used to call
Speaker 2: it his cabi. Now I don't know if that was
Speaker 2: the name for it or a nickname, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but he had it on his head all the time.
Speaker 2: And then when my grandfather passed, he left it to
Speaker 2: my mother, but then one of her brother's wives wanted it, so.
Speaker 3: She was like, you know, what would it be okay
Speaker 3: if we had it?
Speaker 2: Fine, no problem. So my mother had hung it in
Speaker 2: like the foyer, like the vestibule of our house, right
Speaker 2: and gave it to the other, to my other antique grape,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how many times, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say more than twice. It found its way back to
Speaker 2: our house. What I don't know, if it's an elaborate prank,
Speaker 2: but it found its way back to our house.
Speaker 3: I remember very.
Speaker 2: Distinctly having a moment where my mom who who brought
Speaker 2: this back kind of thing?
Speaker 3: And I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And then like you know, giving us the okay haha,
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, Mom, seriously, don't know. I mean we're children,
Speaker 2: like honestly, like nine year old brother, it wasn't us.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, I remember that on at least
Speaker 2: two episodes where was I giving back what I kind
Speaker 2: of sworn I'd taken it.
Speaker 3: Like that kind of conversation.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I maybe he didn't like it at the other house.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were doing weird stuff with it.
Speaker 2: I mean he wanted my mom to have it, I think,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was the message. He was like, no,
Speaker 2: I want it to be at my daughter's house and whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, this is where like the toy story aspect
Speaker 1: of it is so fun, like do you think it
Speaker 1: jumped into was it your aunt? You said yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it jumped into her purse and when she came
Speaker 1: over and then it would jump out.
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems and sounds impossible.
Speaker 2: I personally think, like now, I don't know someone was
Speaker 2: bringing it back, but it was one of those very
Speaker 2: spooky things because no one ever gave in on the joke,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if they were just I don't know.
Speaker 1: As far as you're concerned, it's an unexplained phenomenal.
Speaker 3: I say it unexplained phenomenon, and that's it.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I feel like too, I've had like,
Speaker 2: even if it was young, there were really like some
Speaker 2: spooky seeing things in a closet. I remember babysitting with
Speaker 2: all of my sisters. I have three sisters, and we
Speaker 2: were all together and we were kind of like shuffled
Speaker 2: off to a neighbor's house.
Speaker 3: Because there was a party happening, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I was young, and it was just it was
Speaker 2: a backdoor, a sliding back door thing that just hearing
Speaker 2: it open, hearing it close. I mean, are these just teenagers?
Speaker 2: But I remember the incident like it was yesterday. So
Speaker 2: it's like, is it just you know, a figment of
Speaker 2: imagination or was it it was? Really? It was spooky
Speaker 2: enough that I remember it forty years later. That's a ghost,
Speaker 2: a little you know, sliding glass door.
Speaker 1: I very well could be very well. I like that.
Speaker 1: Your mind is open to.
Speaker 3: That, haha, absolutely, So there you go.
Speaker 1: So I did a little research on a famous haunted
Speaker 1: story that took place in Canada. Now we don't talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of Canadian ghosts here. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: come up. But it's a big place. I know there's
Speaker 1: ghosts there.
Speaker 2: Big and vast, with a lot of sort of like
Speaker 2: space an area for spooky, like it really does, Jenny Eerie.
Speaker 3: Kind of Old.
Speaker 1: Canada is huge. Okay. Sometimes I forget about it until
Speaker 1: I look at a map.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the story and I might be saying
Speaker 1: this wrong. Maybe you can help me. Yep, a Toba Coke,
Speaker 1: The k is silent a Toba co a Toba co
Speaker 1: poulter geisto. Now. Most of the information I got here
Speaker 1: is from a twenty eighteen article from The Toronto Star,
Speaker 1: as well as a video I found from a YouTube
Speaker 1: channel called weird World. So this takes place in a
Speaker 1: Toba Cow, which is a suburb of Toronto. For anyone
Speaker 1: that does not know, the year was nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Albert and Sarah crack now that was their last name.
Speaker 1: Crack Now Albert and Sarah crack.
Speaker 2: Now, Oka is silent?
Speaker 1: It is well, yeah, I mean, I mean what of
Speaker 1: crack Now? They move in with their ten year old daughter,
Speaker 1: Shirley SHIRLEYE. Crack Now. They also have a twenty seven
Speaker 1: year old daughter. So they have a ten year old daughter.
Speaker 1: I wonder what happened there and a twenty seven year
Speaker 1: old daughter named Carol, and she had three kids and
Speaker 1: a husband, though I phone one sources that she had
Speaker 1: two kids either way. Some of the details here I'm
Speaker 1: not fully sure of the family dynamics, but they move
Speaker 1: into the upstairs apartment of this house. Okay, so again
Speaker 1: Albert Sarah was Shirley, their ten year old daughter. They're
Speaker 1: in like the main floor, and then the twenty seven
Speaker 1: year old daughter, Carol and her kids and husband are upstairs,
Speaker 1: just moved inky. One night, Carol is sitting in bed
Speaker 1: and she's probably just like, babe, Oh my god, thanks
Speaker 1: for marrying me. I'm so happy my last name's not
Speaker 1: cracked now anymore. I'm so happy we're living above my
Speaker 1: parents and our and our children's ten year old aunt.
Speaker 1: So they're just like, you know, doing that, and then bam,
Speaker 1: she hears loud thuds on the floor above in the attic.
Speaker 1: It's going from left to right, and not only is
Speaker 1: she hearing these footstep type thuds, she's also hearing loud laughter,
Speaker 1: and she's like, babe, babe. It turns out he was
Speaker 1: sleeping the whole time.
Speaker 2: Okay, of course they always are. Laughter is very scary, though,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: All I ever crave is laughter until the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, and.
Speaker 3: There's exactly above you.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, So he was sleeping. She finally like
Speaker 1: gets him up, and she's like, babe, get up and
Speaker 1: he's like, I already gave you three kids or maybe two,
Speaker 1: Like not tonight, babe, We're only twenty seven. I don't
Speaker 1: want any more kids. And she's like now, not that.
Speaker 1: She's like, do you hear upstairs? And then they both
Speaker 1: are freaking out because it goes on all night long,
Speaker 1: just laugh and thudding. So the next day they didn't
Speaker 1: get any sleep. They go upstairs to the attic and
Speaker 1: they find no source of the sound. There's just no way. Carol.
Speaker 1: This next day is like, I need a nap. So
Speaker 1: she goes to bed and wakes up very quickly feeling
Speaker 1: a person over her, and she feels a cold chill
Speaker 1: penetrate her body. The next night, the thumps and the
Speaker 1: laughs return at two am. At this point they go
Speaker 1: and stay at a friend's house. They return the next
Speaker 1: night and it starts, this time at twelve am, two
Speaker 1: hours earlier, and it's accompanied by a new sound. It's
Speaker 1: a sound that they described like nails on a chalkboard dragging.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's unpleasant, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so her husband's like, shut the fuck up. Apparently
Speaker 1: it works. However, by four am they're awoken because their cat,
Speaker 1: Fluffy Fluffy crack now ya, Fluffy is screaming and squealing.
Speaker 3: And cat's no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: They know, well, some reports say that the cat was
Speaker 1: thrown and hit something, and they're like, what's going on,
Speaker 1: Fluffy crack now? And they go out there and the
Speaker 1: cat is staring at the attic and she is terrified.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: They then start to experience the entity during the daytime.
Speaker 1: One time they saw this brown light peeking out from
Speaker 1: the attic, and at one point she calls over a
Speaker 1: male neighbor who inspected but didn't really find anything. So
Speaker 1: words started to spread and two reporters from the Toronto
Speaker 1: Telegram came over to investigate. They saw one night there
Speaker 1: was like two hundred people outside. Because at this point
Speaker 1: the word has spread.
Speaker 3: This is entertaining.
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like, show me, Fluffy crack now gets thrown
Speaker 1: against the wall. So by this point the whole family
Speaker 1: has they've moved downstairs, so I don't know the older
Speaker 1: parents with their ten year old daughter. I guess they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, fine, you guys can just come down here now,
Speaker 1: because you keep saying that there's a man laughing in
Speaker 1: the attic. So the two reporters stay the night upstairs.
Speaker 1: And they were getting inventive. They put down some flower
Speaker 1: on the ground.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, for the footprints.
Speaker 1: Of course. They they heard it and they ran up
Speaker 1: to the attic, and they noticed that nothing happened with
Speaker 1: the flower, and there was nobody there. So they called
Speaker 1: a reverend and his wife from a local spiritualist church. Oh,
Speaker 1: and the reverend went up there and he saw a
Speaker 1: blob floating with a brown hue. And the wife goes
Speaker 1: up there. She says she felt pain in her body
Speaker 1: and it became freezing in the room. Everybody that was
Speaker 1: there noticed this light, this blob light illuminated thing. And
Speaker 1: the reverend did his best exorcism impersonation, you know, he
Speaker 1: was doing the power of Christ compels. You did not work.
Speaker 1: It didn't take. So the next night the ghost is
Speaker 1: still there. Okay, the reporters are still there. They're setting
Speaker 1: up more experiments. They put bells on some fishing line,
Speaker 1: and this one night, the whole house was freezing. There
Speaker 1: were sounds, you know, the typical sounds, and there was
Speaker 1: the smell of rotting apples. Oh, they were port in
Speaker 1: the house. And after that the whole family was like,
Speaker 1: this isn't worth it. Okay, we thought this was going
Speaker 1: to be a cute, fun time in EPCO. So they
Speaker 1: decided I'm out, and the whole family left. They just
Speaker 1: moved out. There's some alleged research I heard about online
Speaker 1: that they did find that there was an eccentric old
Speaker 1: fortune teller lady that lived in that house at one
Speaker 1: point and spent a lot of her days in the attic.
Speaker 1: So was it her.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The report I found of that said that she didn't
Speaker 1: die up there, she lived there and she was being
Speaker 1: so eccentric to all the neighbors and being like just
Speaker 1: disruptive that she got evicted. They evicted this poor old
Speaker 1: fortune teller. So I don't know if she's coming back
Speaker 1: for revenge or what. But the current people, at least
Speaker 1: at the time of the twenty eighteen article I read,
Speaker 1: that live there. They say nothing's happened to them. So
Speaker 1: maybe it was personal.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was personal, a little vendetta from the fortune teller.
Speaker 2: It could be I'm just saying spooky. I love it.
Speaker 1: So that's the story of the APPA call poulter Geist
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty eight. What do I call it? What
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 2: At this what you're doing, epicac, it's.
Speaker 1: What's the epicac?
Speaker 3: Who knows a toba cow a tooba?
Speaker 2: Co?
Speaker 3: I feel like there is, do you know?
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems that we have a lot of
Speaker 2: sightings and stories from the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 1: Yes, what happened?
Speaker 2: Does it thinned out a bit? What's going on now?
Speaker 1: It's before the Internet, of course, it's before everybody had
Speaker 1: camera phones. Yeah, fair enough, So you took someone's story
Speaker 1: a lot easier, I believe faith. Sorry to discredit a
Speaker 1: lot of people, but to be fair, nowadays people can
Speaker 1: fake stuff with videos so easily.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever going to be a time
Speaker 1: where someone will capture on camera or whatever a ghost
Speaker 1: and then people will be like, oh it is real.
Speaker 1: Very yes, So I don't know. I think because back
Speaker 1: then there definitely was a movement of trying to study
Speaker 1: this stuff in colleges and labs and take it seriously
Speaker 1: as a science.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, that was really.
Speaker 1: Big in like the sixties and seventies. Lots of books
Speaker 1: were written about it, lots of talk shows.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would get a lot of coverage. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that like the Amneyville horror and the exorses.
Speaker 3: Yes, and what's that one? You're the one, the new
Speaker 3: one now that has the all.
Speaker 2: The conjuring, thank you very much. Yeah, very scary, very
Speaker 2: I will say this. I'm thinking now of more Canadian stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because the East coast of Canada I really
Speaker 2: feel like has a tendency to be a little more
Speaker 2: haunted than not.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's older, and it's not a very
Speaker 2: sort of tempestuous ocean. It's rugged. It's kind of harsh living,
Speaker 2: if you will. So I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 2: out there. Like there is a story in Nova Scotia.
Speaker 2: There's a great city, Halifax. It had a huge fire
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen hundreds and it took down like
Speaker 2: half the city, right, so it just leveled it except
Speaker 2: for apparently one church. I should have researched the story,
Speaker 2: but it just came to me one church still stands
Speaker 2: outside of the fire. And apparently there was a bishop
Speaker 2: died in the fire. So on. But there's a very distinct,
Speaker 2: like a burnout pattern of a profile of a man
Speaker 2: in one of the very top windows.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the story goes that the windows have been
Speaker 2: changed and blah blah blah, and it keeps returning that part.
Speaker 2: I don't know that might be lower, but apparently, I
Speaker 2: mean I've seen it. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Speaker 1: Cool. I was just thinking for people that haven't gone
Speaker 1: back and listened to early episodes of this podcast. But
Speaker 1: there was this place that we talked about on an
Speaker 1: early episode called Stole Cemetery, and it just sort of
Speaker 1: reminded me when you talk about the fire not burning
Speaker 1: down this one place, this cemetery. They call it one
Speaker 1: of the gateways to Hell. One of the things is
Speaker 1: when it rains, there was I don't think it's still there,
Speaker 1: this church on the property that didn't have a roof
Speaker 1: on it, and it wouldn't get rain on the church.
Speaker 1: Everything around it would rain.
Speaker 2: And the inside would stay dry.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Are you scared? You know?
Speaker 3: I am taking notes. I'm like, I'm gonna look into
Speaker 3: that later.
Speaker 2: I've look at it that I like it, especially, like
Speaker 2: just like you know, I bet you could take any town,
Speaker 2: just any town, go into it and be like, what's
Speaker 2: the ghost story? Oh, everyone's got one, right.
Speaker 1: That's why it's fun where you specifically grew up. Were
Speaker 1: there any like urban legends, you know what?
Speaker 2: There was only one and this is a little eh,
Speaker 2: not ghosty, but there was there was a god.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You think back now how we treated them right like
Speaker 2: we were children. There was the scary man, you know
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. What do we call crazy Martin. I
Speaker 2: think his name was je I mean like cold bludded,
Speaker 2: but like he just lived in a big old house
Speaker 2: by himself and get classic, you know. I think he
Speaker 2: had been in the war and like obviously had had
Speaker 2: a lot of PTSD, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: he was a little odd as an individual, but we
Speaker 2: made him like we just made him into the scariest creature. Yes,
Speaker 2: did he sometimes stand on his balcony in his you know, undershirt,
Speaker 2: his boxers an undershirt, and maybe I feel like it
Speaker 2: was like people said he used to shoot a gun.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that. This is Canada.
Speaker 2: It might have been like a sling shot, let's be honest.
Speaker 2: But we were terrified of him, terrified of him, and
Speaker 2: it was just because he was an old man that
Speaker 2: sometimes did little weird things.
Speaker 3: But it was crazy Martin.
Speaker 2: And I remember his house was like behind our house,
Speaker 2: but kind of over to the left as well, but
Speaker 2: it was right connected by like a little pathway of
Speaker 2: our two doors down neighbor. It was the grandparents of
Speaker 2: our friend Lisa. We just call them Grandma and Grandpa
Speaker 2: Carol because they were old, so we just call them
Speaker 2: Grandma and Grandpa.
Speaker 3: Disrespectful but anyway, So we would play on their property
Speaker 3: because they had a fabulous tire.
Speaker 2: Swing hanging off of one of the trees and it
Speaker 2: was the best, but it boarded his property and sometimes
Speaker 2: every once in a while he'd come out screaming for
Speaker 2: us to leave, and we would run in terror, but
Speaker 2: there was always someone on the swing, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, So they had to stop the swing. Yes,
Speaker 2: And you're like, how about you're terrified? You were terrified?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows what crazy Martin's gonna do?
Speaker 2: I mean, which is this is not a dose. But
Speaker 2: that was our legend. That was the legend I'm remembering.
Speaker 1: When I was very young, we had a neighbor that
Speaker 1: was a man that lived alone and had a very
Speaker 1: overgrown yard and we just called him Jason because of
Speaker 1: the Friday the thirteenth movies. And I'm sure he was
Speaker 1: very nice.
Speaker 2: I'm shot, of course, but probably terrified to a child. Terrified.
Speaker 1: I mean, I look forward to being like the weird
Speaker 1: rich lady in the neighborhood that all the kids are
Speaker 1: scared of. I want nothing to do with kids.
Speaker 2: As children, was so scared, but now I think that's
Speaker 2: that's our goal. Good stay off of my lawn, that's
Speaker 2: what I want.
Speaker 1: I mean, no kids and not wanting people to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be loud, no offense, but I'm sure you kids were
Speaker 1: screaming and having a gay old time out there. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I lived by a high school at one point, Terrible,
Speaker 1: and I would hear every day at three pm the
Speaker 1: kids skateboarding by, and I wanted to yell out my
Speaker 1: window and.
Speaker 3: Scream, which you're like, I can't. I'm too young for that.
Speaker 2: Not yet.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it though. It's the role I
Speaker 1: was born to play.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, when you know, you know, I feel
Speaker 2: like you know, they say that ghosts spirits often appear
Speaker 2: to children. I'm like, that's probably because they're loud, they're noisy.
Speaker 2: The spirit's probably like please shut the fuck up, like please,
Speaker 2: And then there's a whole thing.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean, they're more fun to scare,
Speaker 1: They're easier to scare.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. I'm sure there's a lot of us that
Speaker 2: are like can be faced with the ghosts and we'd
Speaker 2: be like, eh, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 2: have you seen the price of gas? We would say,
Speaker 2: do you think this scares me at all? No?
Speaker 1: I don't have health insurance exactly.
Speaker 3: That terrifies me.
Speaker 1: Speaking of terrifying things, can I show you a haunted doll? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's time for a segment I call the dolls are living? Okay, jiha,
Speaker 1: could you please put up this doll for us?
Speaker 3: Oh God, I'm already terrified.
Speaker 2: I know it's gonna be so scary.
Speaker 3: Oh what are we doing right now?
Speaker 2: Well, she's looking at me.
Speaker 1: Now. This is Scatter, that is their name. God. Scatter
Speaker 1: is a discount diva only going for ninety nine cents,
Speaker 1: which always adds to the legitimacy of these because I
Speaker 1: see quite a range sometimes up into the thousands. And
Speaker 1: to me, if you had a legit haunted doll, you
Speaker 1: would probably price it low just to get rid of it.
Speaker 2: You know what, That's a very good point, because if
Speaker 2: it's a moneymaker, you're not like seriously, how scared are you?
Speaker 3: Also, the touch of the rosary is very nice around
Speaker 3: the neck.
Speaker 1: There is a rosary. Okay, So what we're looking at here, Deborah,
Speaker 1: describe what we're looking at. Please.
Speaker 2: We are looking at the old timey doll that they
Speaker 2: show in movies from the twenties. Okay, So it is
Speaker 2: classic white nightgown, cotton right up to the neck, gent
Speaker 2: I mean, very long along to the ground, like at
Speaker 2: the lacey on the edge. You can't see hands or feet,
Speaker 2: but we know that inside you know what this is. Inside,
Speaker 2: it's got that like sand filled body. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, And just.
Speaker 2: The hands and feet are probably porcelain, as is the face,
Speaker 2: which makes it a thousand times creepier because porcelain is
Speaker 2: always cold. Even the face is like temperature cold, but
Speaker 2: cold and spirit.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're on QBC right now.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's going for ninety nine cents. It goes with
Speaker 2: all decors, everybody. You can fit this in the wreck room.
Speaker 3: The den. What do you want, hey, do you want
Speaker 3: to scare your in laws? The guest room pointed at
Speaker 3: the bed.
Speaker 1: Well, what really disturbs me about this is we know
Speaker 1: that like, the body is probably a baby sized body,
Speaker 1: but then it goes for like, I don't know, close
Speaker 1: to a foot longer. The dress, the nightgown.
Speaker 2: It looks like a confirmation dress or something like a
Speaker 2: baptismal dress kind of thing. So maybe you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe the baptism went wrong. We don't know
Speaker 2: at this point. Also, no hair, no hair, so it's
Speaker 2: got a little cap on. Yeah, it's probably bald. It's
Speaker 2: just it's not smiling. Its lips are too redd. It's
Speaker 2: all very strange.
Speaker 1: But why the long dress is so scary to me
Speaker 1: is that either it would look great floating. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would look like a ghost because it's a white
Speaker 1: long dress if it was floating for sure. Or what
Speaker 1: if you lifted up the dress and found that there
Speaker 1: were long legs underneath that actually went that leg.
Speaker 3: Oh god, oh my god, that would be.
Speaker 2: So scary enough.
Speaker 1: Anyone listening, of course, has always go to ghosted by
Speaker 1: ros on Instagram. Under the tab dolls you can see
Speaker 1: a picture of scatter. You know, scatter comes with a
Speaker 1: little bio. So let me tell you about the person
Speaker 1: selling scatter for ninety nine cents. They have written this
Speaker 1: is scatter his oh his, oh, I'm so sorry. We've
Speaker 1: been mischief entering scatter.
Speaker 3: We're so sorry. That's why he's mad.
Speaker 1: Scatter is thirteen inches tall. This may look like a
Speaker 1: cute baby doll. No it doesn't, but I assure you
Speaker 1: his looks are deceiving. Scatter was sent to me about
Speaker 1: eight months ago from a paranormal group out of Tennessee.
Speaker 1: They ended up with this doll after one of their
Speaker 1: relatives had paranormal experiences with it. I am the type
Speaker 1: to collect paranormal things, but not all people like keeping negatives.
Speaker 1: I guess we call it in the community. This is
Speaker 1: a negative. The group decided to part with this item
Speaker 1: and a couple of others. With Scatter, you will feel
Speaker 1: a dark presence and at all times catch glimpses of
Speaker 1: a man holding something in his hand. I can never
Speaker 1: see him directly or fully. It's always super quick and
Speaker 1: only a side view.
Speaker 3: He doesn't look at it straight on because he's so scared.
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: It could be? Or maybe turn and it's gone. They
Speaker 1: view the spirit box, which is a type of communication
Speaker 1: that paranormal investigators use famously. I used one, and there's
Speaker 1: a clip of it that recently went viral where I
Speaker 1: was called a slur so they used a spear box,
Speaker 1: and when they do, he will come across as rude
Speaker 1: and cold. When he's annoyed, he will use vulgar language.
Speaker 1: He gets annoyed by men quicker than he does women. Same.
Speaker 1: Most of his hostility is directed towards men. Scatter likes
Speaker 1: to scatter when someone walks into a room. That's where
Speaker 1: he got his name from. He will show activity until
Speaker 1: you acknowledge it, and he then will stop. Well, that's
Speaker 1: nice if he'll stop. If you're like, okay, I know
Speaker 1: you're here. He will take and hide my things if
Speaker 1: I bother him for too long. It's usually my keys.
Speaker 1: Oh he'll move your keys. Okay. Scatter is negative but
Speaker 1: not dangerous. Be sure to set ground rules with him.
Speaker 1: He would be perfect for the haunted collector or paranormal investigator.
Speaker 1: Don't miss your chance to bring this creep. It just
Speaker 1: says this creep.
Speaker 2: Guy home, okay.
Speaker 1: And then there's one little thing at the end. It
Speaker 1: says I wanted to update some things I found out
Speaker 1: about him. He's four to twenty friendly, he likes rock music,
Speaker 1: and at times he puts off the faint smell of alcohol.
Speaker 1: I gift him with shot glasses, cigars, and his favorite
Speaker 1: now is toothpicks. So Scatter knows how to party.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, ninety nine cents is a steal.
Speaker 2: This really hards the pun, but it's a steal.
Speaker 1: I can't get over the way you were describing this picture.
Speaker 1: I've never had somebody that was truly like a QVC
Speaker 1: like you were trying.
Speaker 3: I will go deep. I will go deep.
Speaker 1: Can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Please, it's time for ev pee or ev poo. Please.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the term evp no? Okay? It
Speaker 1: stands for electronic voice phenomena. So this is anytime a
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator or really anyone captures what they believe to
Speaker 1: be a ghost speaking. So people will do this in
Speaker 1: a variety of ways on different types of recording devices,
Speaker 1: and then they PLoP it up on YouTube, and then
Speaker 1: eventually it comes across my desk and I play it
Speaker 1: for my listeners and my guests, and we try to
Speaker 1: decide what we hear the ghosts saying, okay, so I'll
Speaker 1: give you. I'll play it for you. Tell me what
Speaker 1: you hear and then I'll give you four options, one
Speaker 1: of them being the correct answer.
Speaker 3: All right, I like this game.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this first one was posted by a YouTube
Speaker 1: channel called Ghosts and Garbage payal Kids. So I believe
Speaker 1: their YouTube channel is dedicated to Ghosts and Garbage pail
Speaker 1: Kids the eighties.
Speaker 3: Excellent, Brandon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they we're driving through the Lexington Cemetery and Lexington, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and they're in their car. I believe you can kind
Speaker 1: of hear their blinker faintly going in the background, but
Speaker 1: they're driving through the cemetery and then they hear this voice.
Speaker 1: Could you hear it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: I don't love that. By the way, that sounded scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me play it again.
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, Okay, can I guess what I think
Speaker 3: it says?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No fucking way.
Speaker 1: Oh it does sound like that a little bit. No
Speaker 1: fucking way. Okay, Well, here's four options.
Speaker 2: Okay, go is it a.
Speaker 1: No fucking way? I mean, I think we already know,
Speaker 1: but let's just listen to the other options.
Speaker 3: Okay, go, get me go, is it be stay.
Speaker 1: In your lane? Is it see I'll make you pay?
Speaker 1: Or d go girl? You slay. Okay, it could be
Speaker 1: one of those. Just keep your mind open. Let me
Speaker 1: play it again.
Speaker 2: One more time. Yeah, I think it's I mean, we
Speaker 2: want to do we want to carry the skit on.
Speaker 2: Is what we want to do, but we can't. We
Speaker 2: have to say it's no fucking way.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is what ghosts and garbage pail kids believed.
Speaker 1: It said so very good. Wow one cold.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a tortured person. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of trauma.
Speaker 1: Let's see. Let's see how you do with this next one.
Speaker 1: This is the final one.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: This was posted by Sherry Stewart on YouTube, and it's
Speaker 1: at a famous haunted place called the Monroe House, which
Speaker 1: is in Hartford City, Indiana. What is this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: It's quick? Okay, let me put it again?
Speaker 2: It again?
Speaker 3: Okay, give me the options please and then I'll okay.
Speaker 3: Or do you want me to tell you what I think?
Speaker 1: If you have one?
Speaker 2: Hang up?
Speaker 1: Hang up? That is not what Sherry Stewart believed.
Speaker 2: My god, is it A I need that?
Speaker 1: Or all they need a little pick me up? Is
Speaker 1: it B? This is not enough? Is it C? Deny
Speaker 1: it all? Or is it D? Mister Laddie da, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: Are these real submissions?
Speaker 1: My team of people have listened to this many times
Speaker 1: and they believe it could sound like any of those. Okay,
Speaker 1: and by my team of people, I do refer to me,
Speaker 1: that is me very late at night on YouTube. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: here we go.
Speaker 2: Go come on, hang on, that's what that is.
Speaker 1: Well, they believe it is. See deny it all. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I hear this is not enough, but I can hear
Speaker 1: not enough. Okay, wait, let's try to hear deny it all.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, okay, well now that you say it, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: come on, I know, let's try another one. What is
Speaker 2: the other?
Speaker 1: No, that's it. There's only two. That's it until next time. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's just do one last thing. I just want
Speaker 1: to kind of take a survey and see what your
Speaker 1: thoughts are on various unexplained phenomenon. Okay, maybe you have
Speaker 1: a story, who knows whatever? Sure, Okay, a Canada favorite Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, this one has been going on for
Speaker 2: a long time, right, I mean, obviously everyone's got a
Speaker 2: version of Bigfoot. Now, as I told you, it gets
Speaker 2: very remote and very you know, it's it's a lot
Speaker 2: up north. As we keep going north and Canada.
Speaker 1: No one can hear you scream exactly.
Speaker 3: No Canadian scream.
Speaker 2: And it's also okay, what I think about bigfoot might
Speaker 2: be a situation where a man found himself.
Speaker 3: Alone for a really long time, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, I think it could just be a very you know,
Speaker 2: a person who's been living alone has adapted to the
Speaker 2: terrain and the solitude.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and so he just lives out there.
Speaker 2: Sure, maybe he's six seven and actually legitimately has a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Has big feet and very hairy big feet and a
Speaker 1: big heart.
Speaker 2: As they say, hmm, I mean, I don't know. He
Speaker 2: could be French, Canadian or Italian background, such as myself.
Speaker 2: And trust me when I say I bought an electrolysist
Speaker 2: her car, There's no way I haven't. I've definitely put
Speaker 2: her children through college. What do we know? What do
Speaker 2: we know?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, take that for what you want.
Speaker 1: What about UFOs and the existence of aliens?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, my best friend Robin Dale is a big alien.
Speaker 2: Oh file, If that is a word, what do they
Speaker 2: call that alien? Enthusiast.
Speaker 1: I don't know a ufologist.
Speaker 3: I like that though.
Speaker 1: That's what they call like people that really are like
Speaker 1: studying it. They call it a uphologist.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I don't know if she does this anymore, but when
Speaker 2: we were younger, she would go and listen to people speak.
Speaker 2: She was very oh okay. I remember she used to
Speaker 2: have a file that she said to me, I will
Speaker 2: never let you read this, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to. So she is very I'm scared. She's
Speaker 2: very yeah, believes it strongly. And she said, if I'm
Speaker 2: ever ready to know, then she'll tell me.
Speaker 1: Temora. Let's call her right now and say I'm ready
Speaker 1: tell us everything.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to have part two. Our sign off.
Speaker 2: She's my best friend for twenty six years. Our sign
Speaker 2: off since the world of emojis has always been heart
Speaker 2: alien face. We've been doing that for years and years
Speaker 2: and years. She is an alien. She loves it.
Speaker 1: Do you think she's been up there?
Speaker 2: I mean there was a good solid six months where
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know what I mean, in the
Speaker 2: late nineties.
Speaker 3: Where was she She says, it was, you know, a
Speaker 3: work thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure anyway, but she's upset, So I do
Speaker 2: I believe in that.
Speaker 3: Like again, it's I'm open to that as well, although because.
Speaker 2: Again maybe it's the religion. I'm not sure they're gonna
Speaker 2: come in peace. Really, I'm not so.
Speaker 3: Sure that it's gonna be like hey, everybody.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be like shoot first with lasers
Speaker 2: or whatever they do, ask questions later. This is what
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: This is another thing I've said, as like, I'm the
Speaker 1: defense attorney for they are clearly very smarter than us.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yes, if they wanted to, they would have done it
Speaker 1: by now.
Speaker 2: Fair point.
Speaker 1: They are peaceful above us. How yeasy would that be
Speaker 1: just to take us all out? Okay, they're peaceful, I
Speaker 1: really think so.
Speaker 2: So maybe a watchful, a watchful kind of thing is
Speaker 2: more apt, you know what I mean. Maybe they're stead
Speaker 2: of just you know what, keeping keeping tabs just to
Speaker 2: make sure that we're okay.
Speaker 1: I feel like they don't want to intervene, but they
Speaker 1: lately are like, you guys, what is going on down there?
Speaker 2: Seriously, it's like the whales that are ramming boats. This
Speaker 2: is what's happening. I think, yes, like enough.
Speaker 1: Were are their view when they look out their windows,
Speaker 1: I know, and they're like this used to be beautiful.
Speaker 2: They're like seriously, they're like, shut the blinds. Shut the blinds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what they're doing now because it's just yeah, we're sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think of psychics?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, this, I believe in that too, I really do.
Speaker 2: I believe that people just I think we all vibrate
Speaker 2: at different levels.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, different planes of existence?
Speaker 1: What level do you vibrate at?
Speaker 3: Like I'm barely above ground level?
Speaker 2: Like I mean, on a good day, on a good day,
Speaker 2: I've a couple inches off the ground if I'm lucky.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I do. I believe that people
Speaker 2: just have more intuition.
Speaker 1: But have you been to a psychic yourself?
Speaker 2: No? The only thing I have done, which this is
Speaker 2: probably why I like appreciate it. One time I was
Speaker 2: I don't know where, somewhere with all my teenage friends.
Speaker 2: I was probably like eighteen. And you know I have
Speaker 2: a twin sister, right, I have a fraternal twin sister.
Speaker 2: So we're nothing alike. She's seven minutes older than me.
Speaker 2: Nothing alike.
Speaker 1: Do you look alike at all?
Speaker 2: No? Nothing?
Speaker 1: Okay? Wow, truly.
Speaker 3: We don't look like sisters.
Speaker 2: We never have. Yeah, we just looked like friends. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so this was probably when we were young, and there
Speaker 2: was I remember it was sort of like a vacationy
Speaker 2: thing and so there was like a street fair kind
Speaker 2: of vibe and there was doing palm reading and so on.
Speaker 2: So that was great. And then he read my sister Joanne,
Speaker 2: and then a bunch of our friends, and then he
Speaker 2: read me and he stopped and he was like, okay,
Speaker 2: one second, and chose my sister out of the group
Speaker 2: as my twin.
Speaker 1: So interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing I was just thinking because I
Speaker 1: just talked to Dylan Adler, the hilarious comedian who is
Speaker 1: a twin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has an identical brother, yes.
Speaker 1: And I asked him my favorite thing to ask twins,
Speaker 1: which is, have you ever had like weird twin intuition
Speaker 1: things where you know that your twin is in danger
Speaker 1: or whatever? And he said, no, but what about you?
Speaker 2: See now I would say the same, because again, I
Speaker 2: do think it's also because we are fraternal. I think
Speaker 2: that might be more of an identical twin thing phenomenon.
Speaker 2: But I will say that there is. I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's a very intense sort of like just there's
Speaker 2: a connection there just is you know, like I know
Speaker 2: when like e through a text, you know, not even
Speaker 2: just like are you mad? Like I know when my
Speaker 2: sister is upset, even just through texting. Yeah, like I
Speaker 2: just know it's like now's the time to call her.
Speaker 2: Does that mean anything? No? Or is it just because
Speaker 2: you know, we've been on this earth together for a
Speaker 2: long time and she's still she was my very very
Speaker 2: very best friend all of our youth, our twenties, you know,
Speaker 2: she gets married whatever, so it's not as close, but
Speaker 2: like it was, you know, it was a never speaking
Speaker 2: or thoughts orever, but there was just a.
Speaker 3: Very intense need to protect each other.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 2: So it's sort of been like that, you know, just
Speaker 2: not like oh I was thinking about you, what's going on?
Speaker 2: That kind of thing, do you know? With alarming accuracy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Cool, all right, let's do one last one. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: lackness monster.
Speaker 2: You know what, that one probably the most out of
Speaker 2: all of them, because that would just be evolutionary thing.
Speaker 1: The most out of all of them, you believe in it.
Speaker 2: I think the most likely to be true, you know,
Speaker 2: because it just feels like to me, you know, ocean, lakes, water, whatever,
Speaker 2: it's very we don't know. You know, there are and
Speaker 2: we all hear all the time that there's areas of
Speaker 2: ocean that we'll never see. You know. Come on, you're.
Speaker 3: Telling me that some stuff doesn't live down there.
Speaker 1: The lock where it, like loch Nets is not.
Speaker 2: Huge huge, It's not ocean.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Apparently people still say they see
Speaker 1: that thing.
Speaker 3: They still see it?
Speaker 2: Is that the same? Is there an og pogo? Am
Speaker 2: I making that opposite? Canadian?
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar. Are you putting a spell on me?
Speaker 1: Og Pogo?
Speaker 2: I've done it? Thank you for much.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's the only reason I said yes to this podcast.
Speaker 1: Wait, what is og pogo? Is that like a creature?
Speaker 1: Let's look up og Pogo?
Speaker 2: I feel like it was a Lochnessy type vibe related somewhere,
Speaker 2: but it might be Canadian okay.
Speaker 1: Og pogo ooh. In Canadian folklore, boom, there we go.
Speaker 1: The og Pogo is a lake monster that is said
Speaker 1: to inhabit o Canagan Lake in British Columbia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okanagan Lake.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Okanagan. Oh, that sounds way better. Some scholars
Speaker 1: have charted the entity's development from First Nations folklore and
Speaker 1: widespread water monster folklore motifs. The og Pogo now plays
Speaker 1: a role in the commercial symbolism and media representation of
Speaker 1: the region. That is from the ogo Pogo's Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: It seems like so many places in the world have
Speaker 1: a bigfoot type creature, yes.
Speaker 3: And a lockness water dwelling they do. It feels like
Speaker 3: every culture has something, has something.
Speaker 1: You know, and these go back way, way, way far
Speaker 1: when they weren't texting and online and talking to each
Speaker 1: other or even reading books that each other wrote. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, that makes it seem legit.
Speaker 2: It's all stories being passed down from generation to generation,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: But could it be like a descendant of like a dinosaur.
Speaker 2: Yes, that those are all the things you know. M anyway, Sorr,
Speaker 2: I've added an og pogoch of your life. There we are.
Speaker 2: Thank you you're OCODMN.
Speaker 1: This has been so fun. Please come back sometime.
Speaker 2: I will. I will.
Speaker 3: You know what, maybe I'll get some more Canadian info
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 1: Yes, be our Canadian correspondent.
Speaker 2: Yes, because you know, actually I just finished touring with
Speaker 2: the boys, and like, I remember one story of a farmhouse,
Speaker 2: so let me, let me, let me do some recon.
Speaker 1: Ooh a teaser. Tune in for the farmhouse story next
Speaker 1: time we have de Giovanni back. Okay, can you tell
Speaker 1: everyone what you want them to know where to find you?
Speaker 1: All that stuff?
Speaker 2: So Instagram Deborah DG d e b r A DG
Speaker 2: TikTok Deborah DG but d e b r A d
Speaker 2: I G I I know we like to keep it confuseding.
Speaker 3: My new album will be coming out soon mid mid April.
Speaker 2: Untitled as of this moment, So that album will be
Speaker 2: coming out, and I just got just got some touring
Speaker 2: coming up, so I'll be on the Pacific Northwest for
Speaker 2: March and April.
Speaker 1: So yeah, ooh, I know we got listeners over there.
Speaker 1: I was over there not that long ago. And people
Speaker 1: go see Deborah Yah, so funny. If you thought this
Speaker 1: was funny, just wait until you see her on stage
Speaker 1: and there's not me piping in every five seconds.
Speaker 3: All right, Thank you so much, Annie.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Deborah. Be sure to go
Speaker 1: check her out live and on stage. She's the best,
Speaker 1: and so are you. I love you. All both living
Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,
Speaker 1: don't haunt me came back. This has been an exactly
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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by
Speaker 1: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac, Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Carroll. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth the Spooky Georgia, hard start
Speaker 1: and the frightening Danielle Kramer