1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and welcome to stuff. Mom never 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: told your production of I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works. 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: You know what one of my resolutions is, what is 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: your resolution to stop saying the intro so quickly? Oh, well, 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: it's better than what I do, since I've never done it, 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: and I'm just grateful that you do. Okay, I'm all good. 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I am a little fearful of the day 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: that you're gone with Safer and I have to do 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: something because we're behind or something, and I don't had 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: to do an introduction like this, and I'm gonna be like, 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: I miss Annie so much right now. But you can 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: learn from my mistakes. That is one of my many resolutions. 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: That's not my only resolutions. Well, I will say one 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: of the problems because you do it. I don't even 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: pay attention. But it sounds like I think I tried. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: We tried this one time with an outro. I tried 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: to do an outro and it was such a cluster 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm done. You do it. I 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: still have to write it down even though I've said 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: it so many times. But we're anyway not talking about 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: resolutions today. We're talking about female revenge, love It, history, 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: science examples, and it ballooned into such a big episode 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: it's now a two parter. Well, and I think part 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: of that was you and I kept going on and 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: on and on adding to the movie list or just 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: a genre of it because I'm like, I like this one, 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: and like this one and this one and this one. 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: This could be considered, and this is considered because we 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: actually went beyond. We can talk about TV shows and 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: we do couple, but not all of them obviously UM, 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: but then they even trips with like books as well 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: as UM comics or graphic novels. We don't exactly get 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: into all of that level. So it could be like 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: five day series, it could be in an entire podcast 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: just revenge. You're right, I didn't even think about comic book. 36 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: What is with me? I can't believe you didn't go there. 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I will come to me as we do it, 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: So that's in your line. Yeah, Well, we are planning 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: some specific episodes on on Birds of Prey Black Widow, 40 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: so well we'll come back to that before we get 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: into all of the stuff we have to talk about. 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: We did want to put a trigger warning hair because 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: there's gonna be discussion around sexual saut violence, brief mentions 44 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: of mental health, and suicide. With these revenge things get 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: pretty dark. Yeah, and it's actually something I didn't have 46 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: too much knowledge around when it comes to entertainment, this 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: idea of women in revenge. As I've said before, most 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: revenge media makes me uncomfortable and nervous, which is funny 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: because I've actually written a lot of things about revenge 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: my own life. So I think I think there's something 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: about the fantastical element of superhero type revenge that I 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: can click out and it seems like fantasy and watching 53 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: like revenge, even though it's heightened usually it's something about 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: it just puts me on edge, which I think is 55 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: the point. Yeah, exactly, that is the point. It makes 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, kind of makes you look at your shoulders 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: at all times, right, and I a good revenge movie 58 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: makes you question the main character and whether or not 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: they're justified in what they're doing. I mean, this is 60 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: definitely one of those anti heroo right ideas. Right, And 61 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: I didn't want to stay in here. I have a 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: friend who is excellent at revenge. She she I hope 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: I never end up on her bad side. The anchovies 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: in the car, the ants in the car, basically your car. 65 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: It's not a safe place if you made her mad. 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of a trope as well, that 67 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the girlfriend, the main quote unquote crazy girlfriend. They always 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: go after the car. It does seem to be that 69 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: type of feel. I've definitely met women that I'm like, yeah, 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: you scare me because you have not only do you 71 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: think of it, and I think a lot of people 72 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: think bad thoughts, but you actually start planning it, and 73 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: when you start planning it, you know you better watch out. 74 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: And so this isn't something I'm very familiar with, but 75 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: you are right, Samantha. Yes, I do really really love 76 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: female revenge movies. Unfortunately, with some of the me too stuff, 77 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of taken out amount of rotation a 78 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: lot of the ones that I really do love, and 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm very sad about that. I also find it really 80 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: interesting because one of the things Um and I don't 81 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: think we mentioned it in here when we talk about 82 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: Mad Max, one of the big problems people had was 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: Charles their own playing of such a pivoal character, which 84 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, she still needs a saving 85 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: in the end, so I don't understand why people are 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: upset people beaning men and men's activists, let's put it 87 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: that way. But it is a kind of a revenge 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: justice type of mentality as well. So it's kind of like, Okay, 89 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: who are we looking at, who are we rooting for? 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: How are we rooting for it? And how do we 91 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: come to like the just desserts? You know? I want 92 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: to see all that I do. I love that because 93 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't always like really dark, dark things, but when 94 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: it has a satisfying ending or satisfying moment, it makes 95 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: everything okay to me. Yeah, it's cathartic. Yes, yes, I 96 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: made a very foolish mistake in preparation for this, and 97 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: I've watched probably fifteen of these in like four days. 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: I did not recommend that. Nobody in there, thinking about 99 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: themselves and their health care, wouldn't have done that. I 100 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: kept telling myself, why no one's making you do this? 101 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised, and I will say one 102 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: of the reasons, and you you will hear in the 103 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: letter later episode. We picked First Wives Club um because 104 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: I wanted We were talking about doing a revenge type 105 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: of themed movie, but I wanted to make sure it 106 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: wasn't over the top glry and over the top dark. 107 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: And this is kind of one of the beginnings of 108 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: the revenge, just this type of thought process and movies 109 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: and not beginning. That's not true, but you know it 110 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: was one of the iconic ones. Yeah, but yeah, and 111 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: then finding out you watched all those why But the 112 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: reason I wanted to say that is because what you 113 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: said earlier than me too. Thing watching them you're going 114 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: to recognize when we get to our part two episodes, 115 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: several names like the wine Steins come up, a what right? 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: Fascinating because it makes you wonder the people working on it, 117 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: and I know I've read some some reviews there's all 118 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: this female revenge maybe makes you wonder, makes you larger, 119 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: and it seems like a female revenge and anger is 120 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: something that are on a lot of people's mind. Um, 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: he'll have no fury like a woman scorned. That is 122 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: a great, great line and anything A quote derived from 123 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: William Congret's sixteenth century English play The Morning Bride and 124 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: m you are n I N G. And these episodes 125 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: were in part inspired by the upcoming Cary Mulligan revenge 126 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: flick promising young woman directed by Emerald Fennel, and I 127 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: was really really like I started watching, I was like, 128 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: oh damn, okay, okay, that's taking out the nice guy 129 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: troupe real hard um, and I really enjoyed. It's going 130 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: to be an intense, intense scene because, um, within the 131 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: previews you can already see the nice guy bits. You 132 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: have very unassuming, good looking guys you would never expect 133 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: a B. You have the friend who UM didn't support her, 134 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: didn't believe her, and then you have the like teacher 135 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: figures that also don't believe her and just kind of 136 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: tell her it's gonna make it worse for you. And 137 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: then she just left, and everybody's like, why did you leave? Um? 138 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: And it definitely had a hard candy vibe to it too, 139 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: which I appreciate. Yeah, and we're gonna be talking about 140 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: that that film and another movie that kind of reminds 141 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: me of that that I just washed in f A. 142 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: But okay, let's do our our definition bit. The Dictionary 143 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: definition of revenge is quote the action of inflicting hurt 144 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: or harm on someone for an injury or wrong suffered 145 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: at their hands. It is defined us both an act 146 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: and a desire some psychologists referred to it as narcissistic 147 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: acts of self repair. The definition of justice, which is 148 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: a term that gets thrown around a lot in conversations 149 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: around revenge, is just behavior or treatment, and the line 150 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: between the two of them can be murky. Punishment pops 151 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: up a bit too, which is a penalty inflicted for wrongdoing. 152 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: But when I was trying to think of the differences 153 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: between these things, and I do think there can be overlapped. 154 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: I think the main thing with revenge is there's a 155 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: personal emotional aspect and that it's not so much about 156 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: justice necessarily. It might be, but it's more like, I 157 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: want to hurt this person who directly hurt me. Might 158 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: you might take actions that don't worry. A lot of 159 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: the movies we're going to talk about, uh, they kind 160 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: of go a bit further than yes, and Yeah, we 161 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: are as a society pretty torn on ideas of revenge. 162 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: There's an eye for an eye versus the other cheek, 163 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: which are both from the Bible. Um. A paper digging 164 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: into revenge and all of this found that when participants 165 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: believed a revenge action was sanctioned by God, they were 166 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: more likely to support revenge and seek it themselves. Revenge 167 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: is a basic human drive. The same part of your 168 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: brain that lights up when you're in love that sends 169 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: reward signals lights up when you think about revenge, the 170 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: prefront until cortex shows activity two, which this is the 171 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: same area associated with planning how to achieve a goal. 172 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: That's really intriguing evolutionarily, it may have been a way 173 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: to keep burgeoning societies functioning. Those that do wrong that 174 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: threatened stability get punished, a tool to prevent future wrongs. 175 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: And we did touch on some of the science behind 176 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: revenge in our Forgiveness episode, but there's some more we 177 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: wanted to touch on because it is really fascinating. Study 178 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: out of the University of Kentucky looked into revenge tasking 179 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: participants with writing an essay and then swapping essays for 180 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: feedback with other participants, and one of the participants was 181 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: an undercover researcher who left epically critical feedback. Then the 182 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: participants were allowed to express how angry the feedback they 183 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: had gotten made them with a voodoo doll and needles. 184 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: The participants who had received the negative feedback reported feeling 185 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: better after engaging in some revenge, basically sticking the doll 186 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: with needles. A follow up study looked into whether people 187 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: would go out of their way for revenge, and they 188 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: found that to not be true. People sought it out 189 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: if they believed it would make them feel better, but 190 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: participants led to believe it wouldn't and that they did 191 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: this through a placebo that they called a mood stabilizing pill. Basically, 192 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: no matter what you do, your your mood's gonna stay 193 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: the same. Did not pursue revenge against teammates that had 194 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: let them down. This corroborates the popular psychological understanding of 195 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: revenge that its primary goal is catharsis, followed closely by 196 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: to terrence and restoration of self esteem. So a similar 197 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: study found that when given the opportunity to get revenge 198 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: against the player who wronged them, participants universally took it, 199 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: but also universally reported feeling worse after that case compared 200 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: to those who weren't wrong and therefore did not seek revenge. 201 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Those who had been wronged and we're not given the 202 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: opportunity to get revenge reported they believed they would feel 203 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: better if they had pursued revenge, even though they were 204 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: in the happier group. Well again the grass is greener idea. 205 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: Yet another study found that the acts of revenge are 206 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: only better than not getting revenge in cases where the 207 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: revenge is acknowledged and the balance is restored. Right, So 208 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: if it goes on acknowledged, then you don't get the 209 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: same like benefit from it. And as we talked about 210 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: in our forgiveness episode, most science indicates that revenge is 211 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: satisfying in the short term, but associated with more negative 212 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: outcomes in a long term. Instead of providing closure, it 213 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: keeps a wound fresh. Yet another study found that when 214 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: asked about a time they got revenge in a time 215 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: when they were the hearget of revenge, almost everyone. I 216 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: love this, Almost everyone deemed their act of revenge as 217 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: just and appropriate and the act of revenge against them 218 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: as excessive. Of course, of course, how dare you exactly? 219 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: Oh humanity. We actually have a lot more science and 220 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: history about revenge to get into, but first we have 221 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our sponsor, and 222 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: we're back, Thank you sponsor. So one thing I was 223 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: curious about is the question of why do we like 224 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: revenge stories. Well, obviously, revenge stories are satisfying, Like I 225 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: just said, they're cathartic in a world where bad things 226 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: happen to a good people with rhyme or reason, a 227 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: reality beset with sense of smilence. It's comforting to think 228 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: that those who have wronged us will face the consequence 229 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: and then song. I hope most of our revenge media 230 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: functions like a fantasy where everything is exaggerated, which is 231 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: kind of nice. It reminds me of what we talked 232 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: about in um Why do people victim blame? Where we're 233 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: always trying to find a reason for or to find balance, right, 234 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: to make things just, there's no sense. Yeah, I think 235 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: that's the true libra in May I needed to be okay, 236 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: all falling into place. From Dr Edward Halliwell, psychiatrist and author, quote, 237 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: the pursuit of revenge is a turn on. It's an 238 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: adrenaline rush. You can really get into it, and once 239 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: you have experienced it, you want to do it again 240 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: and again, and it becomes a way of life. He 241 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: argues that if you wanted, you could frame our entire 242 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: history in terms of revenge. I think that's what warsaw essentially, 243 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: when you look at the bottom line and money, Oh yeah, 244 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: of course money In a two thousand eight study out 245 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: of Australia conducted by Dr Ian McKee. He found a 246 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: link that suggested that those most interested in revenge were 247 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: people more motivated by power, specifically right wing authoritarians and 248 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: some sort of social dominance and all the attributes that 249 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: go with it. Other studies have shown that events that 250 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: inspire revenge differed by culture and others that revenge is 251 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: viewed differently among communities without access to legal means of justice. 252 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: There are entire websites dedicated to helping you get revenge. 253 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: Think the Exploding glitter boxes or get your Revenge on 254 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: your x dot com run by a man whose wife 255 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: cheated on him. According to him, most of his clients 256 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: are female. M yeah, I don't want to look it up. 257 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to. A recent study found that men 258 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: enjoy revenge more than women. When shown instances of wrongdos 259 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: getting punished, male participants were more likely to feel pleasure, 260 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: while female participants were more likely to fill empathy. Another 261 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: study looking into gender different says, found that men were 262 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: far likelier than women to engage in revenge fantasies, and 263 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: that even children fantasize about getting revenge. I've seen this 264 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: as a nanny and as a person who was in 265 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: the field. I've seen you sometimes I really crafty too. 266 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: Just wants to know that the women reported that they 267 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: believed revenge was ultimately pointless, and a lot of the 268 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: women who did express revenge fantasies were more likely to 269 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: turn the revenge in words imagining about harming themselves to 270 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: punish those that harmed them. There is a certain level 271 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: of breaking gender norms in female revenge entertainment. Traditionally, aggression 272 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: and violence are associated with men. Anger, the emotion most 273 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: closely associated with revenge, is traditionally viewed as a more masculine, 274 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: sanctioned emotion. Historically, women have used words as weapons, whereas 275 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: men are more violent, like using swords or guns or whatever, 276 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: what have you. And also I read a lot of 277 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: things that viewed this is kind of a dismissal and 278 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: then expressions of grief and viewing them as weak, and 279 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of going off of that, we did look at 280 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: some history, some famous examples of women getting revenge. But 281 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: before we get into that, we have one more quick 282 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank 283 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: you sponsor, and we're back with some history. So let's 284 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: leet into that throughout our history, Western culture has largely 285 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: depicted vengeance as a more masculine avenue. A lot of 286 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: the monsters from our Female Monsters episode tell stories of enraged, 287 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: insatiable vengeance like the Furies. Less about revenge though, which 288 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: has more personal element, but there are similar themes, and 289 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: there are plenty of famous historical examples. We have real 290 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: life examples, like the Rain of bobb It, but also 291 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: going back further, there is the example of Kamara, a 292 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: Galatian noble woman during the Glacian War with Rome around 293 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: one b C. She was taken captive. The person in 294 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: charge of the prisoners, including Kamara, made several sexual advances 295 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: towards her, all of which she rejected. So he raped her, 296 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: but then felt such guilt about it, kindly ransomed her 297 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: to her people. The countrymen that came for the exchange, 298 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: with a nod from Kamara or perhaps speaking in their 299 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: native language depending on the source, that you know what, 300 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: you should cut off this guy's head. The countryman did that. 301 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: She took the head, carried it back with her in 302 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: her dress, threw it at her husband's feet. When she 303 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: arrived home. Her husband said a noble thing, dear wife, 304 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: is fidelity, and she responded, yes, but it is a 305 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: nobler thing that only one man be alive who has 306 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: been intimate with me. So. Artemisia Gentileschi was a painter 307 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: in the sixteen hundreds who was raped when she was eighteen, 308 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: and instead of punishing the rapist, the court of course 309 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: of tortured Artemisia, which we've seen even to a tying 310 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: ropes around her fingers and pulling them tight. As she 311 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: was tortured, she shouted at her rapists who watched in 312 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: the courtroom, this is the ring you gave me, and 313 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: these are your promises, and she repeated, unwavering about her testimony. 314 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: It is true. The entire transcript of the trial survived, 315 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: and she went about getting her revenge through her art, 316 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: painting the disturbing and affected Judith and he Leferness, in 317 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: which Judith along with another woman, hold down the Lefferness, 318 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: slitting his throat. It is a very effective, faintancy good one. 319 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: In sixty c in present day southeast England, Boudica was born. 320 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: She went on to marry Celtic King Prostutagus at the 321 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: age of eighteen. When Prostutagus died in fourty three CE 322 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: without a male heir. His kingdom, land and property were 323 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: annexed by the Romans. They then publicly flogged Brutica and 324 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: raped her two daughters. Records show that she declared nothing 325 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: is safe from Roman pride and arrogance. They will deface 326 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: the sacred and will deflower our virgins when the battle 327 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: or perish. That is what I, a woman will do. 328 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: A trained warrior, she helped form a rebel army of 329 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: tribes that went on to destroy the Roman capital of 330 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: Britain and killed all those that lived there. The rebel 331 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: army did the same thing with two other cities, including London. 332 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: Records from the time suggest that Boudica's rebellion killed seventy 333 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: Romans and pro Roman Britain's before she was defeated. Yeah, 334 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: and perhaps inspired by some of these true stories, perhaps 335 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: now we have plenty of fictional examples as well, going 336 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: way back right in Euripides Greek play media, this character, 337 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: sometimes called the Queen of Revenge, once said a woman's 338 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: weak and timid in most matters. The noise of war 339 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: the look of steel make her a coward. But touch 340 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: her right in marriage, and there's no bloody or spirit. 341 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Media's ex husband, Jason, dished her for another woman for 342 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: her superficial reasons after Media helped him climb the social ladder. 343 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: The whole play is about her journey to secure her revenge, 344 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: not caring who ends up in the crossfire, including her 345 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: own children, taking away what he left for her, a 346 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: future in royalty, and when she gives it, she rise 347 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: off in a dragon drawn carriage. You've been to give 348 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: an abandoned old age, I give one now to you. 349 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: This example is particularly unsettling because of media flouts her 350 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: gender norm, both of women being too kind to seek revenge, 351 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: but also that women are unfailingly protective maternal of their children. 352 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: A twist because we the audience, expect the act of 353 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: vengeance to take Jason's life. This whole thing of revenge 354 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: seemed to be a theme in euripides work. Around the 355 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: mid fourteen twenties BC. Euripides also published Hecuba. Hecuba was 356 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: the Queen of Troy and witnessed and experienced many many wrongs, 357 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: including the deaths of her husband and sons. She was 358 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: enslaved by those who killed her family. Her daughter is 359 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: sacrificed and another is taken as a concubine to be killed. Hecuba, 360 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: along with other female captives of the Trojan army, lure 361 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: the king of Thrace, Polymester, and his two sons into 362 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: the women's tent in a post war encampment, proceed to 363 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: blind the king with pens from their dresses and kill 364 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: his two young sons. Polymester prophesied that Hecuba would become 365 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: quote a dog with fiery eyes. Many scholars interpret this 366 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: as a symbol of the fiercely maternal, and this is 367 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: an early example the key element in revenge stories about women. 368 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: Their suffering must be detailed and painful enough so that 369 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: we are sympathetic and we back them stepping outside of 370 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: traditional gender norms by getting revenge instead of punishing them 371 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: for transgressing these boundaries. And Janet Claire delved into the 372 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: dichotomy of this character is the all suffering, grieving mother 373 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: and furious woman said on Revenge, she describes quote a 374 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: culture that condemned revenge and saw it as a last 375 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: resort to which only a male should have recourse, and 376 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: that to stage a heckyba as she was staged in 377 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: classical tragedy, would be to stage a rebellion. So when 378 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: it comes to our modern day entertainment, revenge is a 379 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: genre dominated by men, both in leading roles and when 380 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: it comes to directors. So when we think of revenge 381 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: movies with male protagonists, the wronged at the heart of 382 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: the revenge is usually quite different and often involves the 383 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: fridging killing off of the main love interests early in 384 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: the plot, sidelining her to an object that functions solely 385 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: to start the main male character's vengeful journey. Not only 386 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: does she die, she's often raped and tortured prior to death, 387 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: defiling the man's property quote unquote, We as the audience 388 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: typically root for the man to get his vengeance, chewing 389 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: on his typically violent retribution. I mean, how many times 390 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: have we seen this? In every James Bond at least 391 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: one person loved the love interest that you know, for 392 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: like thirty seconds naked on the bed, dies immediately. And 393 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: then of course, yeah, John Wick is famous for the 394 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: dog and I don't care to be fair, Yeah, I 395 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: get that um killing off the dog and the wife. 396 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: And then there's you see so many, so many of 397 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: those that begin, as I think, every John Stadhum movie 398 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: outside of Her, but that's exactly how you see it. 399 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: You're like death rays. I watched that and that's the 400 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: beginning plot, and you're like, what is happening? Yeah? Also, 401 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: I guess Mission Impossible. I love how like every Mission 402 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Impossible movie starts with this and then at the end 403 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: he's with someone, but then she dies in the hes 404 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: over every time ever stop. You will never be happy, 405 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: that's the message. That is the message. Revenge will make 406 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: you happy anyway. Revenge stories with women at the helm, 407 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: on the other end, usually are more gendered fears and anxieties, 408 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: like sexual assault, domestic violence, cheating motherhood. While we frequently 409 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: cheer for these anti heroines, audiences are more likely to 410 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: turn on her than on a male protagonist, giving her 411 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: as hysterical or deranged. Some movies even managed to flip 412 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: somehow so that the audience sides with the male antagonist, 413 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: or that the woman quote deserved what she can write. Yes, 414 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: I when I was thinking about this, I think men 415 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: don't like imagining a world where women can exact revenge 416 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: for the wrongs done to them. Well, I mean, there's 417 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: so many things about being ladylike and being kind and 418 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: motherly and nurturing, but that's not ex sceptible while the 419 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: father is the protector. So of course it crosses the 420 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: line to be protecting, especially even if you're protecting yourself, 421 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: that that's crossing the gender norms boundary. And we have 422 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of examples about that in our our upcoming 423 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: part two of this um and one one of the 424 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: ones you're going to talk about that really gripped our 425 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: collective cultural psyches was the film I Spit on Your Grave. 426 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: That's intense. Second you watched that, right, Oh yeah, oh yeah, 427 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I know that's an intense one. It is, Yes, it 428 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: very much is. And this was done by Mere's ar guy. 429 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: This movie follows an aspiring writer who is getting grape 430 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: and her relentless vengeful pursuit to take them all out 431 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: after that. As you might imagine, this stirred up a 432 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: lot of controversy. Robert Ebert famously despised it, calling it 433 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: quote one of the most depressing experiences of my life 434 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: and describing the film as a vile bag of garbage. 435 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: And we're gonna do a terrible thing here and leave 436 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: it at a cliffhanger like some revenge movies do. Take that, Yeah, 437 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: you take that. Listeners thank you for so sorry, just 438 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: save it. Just want you know you can do streaming things. 439 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah do yeah, bene it um. Yes, we have a 440 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: part too forthcoming where we're gonna look at our more 441 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: modern female revenge genre and specific examples, and we're also 442 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: focusing in for feminists maybe Friday on First Wives Club, 443 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: so keep your ears out for that. In the meantime, 444 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: if you have a favorite revenge movie or any kind 445 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: of revenge media, you can email it to us. Our 446 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: email is Stuff Media mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. 447 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Twitter, mom Stuff podcast, 448 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at stuff I'll Never Told You. Thanks 449 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: as always to our superproducer Andrew Howard. 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