1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and I heart Radio and his Drink Chess motherfucking podcasts. 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: A legendary queen's rapper, He's Segre. It is your boy 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: in O R. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer, is 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: d j e FN. Together they drink it up with 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: podcast and yet number one sorts for drunk fast drinks. 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Motherfucking is New year' z that's time for drinking Champs. 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Drink up, motherfucking mother. What did Goold be hoping? This? 10 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: This is your boy in O R? What up? Is 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: d j e f N And this is Drink has 12 00:00:53,800 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: motherfucking Happy Hour mass Up And one of the our 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: guests today. One of our best things that I started 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: to do if and was to do research right. And 15 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: when I researched this strong woman, I really like, you've 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: never seen the X Man and you've seen Storm because 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Storm was the strong woman of X Man that can 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: turn into anything that she wanted to. And when I researched, 19 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I felt like I was researching Storm. Nobody else watched 20 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: Red Common Books. Here it's said Storm, It's mystique. And 21 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: when I tell you from her first store in Brooklyn 22 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: to her conquering the world, there's a lot of people 23 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: who cannot say I worked with Biggie and Tupa. There's 24 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people who cannot say I worked with 25 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: one E MC and Jay Z. There's not a lot 26 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: of people period in those categories. And when you google 27 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: and when you understand the line that it meant to 28 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: the culture, and do you understand that she stood back 29 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I want the line to 30 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: speak for herself. For years I said I'm gonna take 31 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: the step back. And then now years later you see 32 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: what it involved to what clothing means to hip hop, 33 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: how artists actually gets signed and hires a stallus. If 34 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: this woman that we have today wasn't here and didn't 35 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: take the forefront of you know, we had the fooboos, 36 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: we had the car canas, we never had a woman 37 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: just running the forefront. And in case you don't know 38 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: how proud we are of this history, In case y'all 39 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: don't know, y'all need to stand up and make some 40 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: noise for the honorable, the impeccable. A wow, thank you, 41 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I mean I'm just humbled by that. No, no, 42 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: you know what what's crazy is obviously I had to 43 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: do my research, so I went and what documentary you 44 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: told me to watch Fresh Dressed? Fresh Dress? We watched 45 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: watched Fresh Dress, but before I watched Fresh Dress, I 46 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: watched the remix. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was basically you, 47 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: Misa and that documentary. In my opinion, I did not 48 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: realize because to me, as an outside of looking in 49 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: as an insider, I just thought, you guys Gucci send 50 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: you guys clothing, and you guys just cut it up. 51 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: No listen, I was old, naive. I just thought that 52 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: you guys had it made like I thought that if 53 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: he was a designer, you basically got the fabric, you 54 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: cut it up, um and just get to I had 55 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: no idea of the struggles, the flights, and when I'm 56 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: researching you, because I know when you come out saying 57 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Holy ship, I was ashamed of myself because here I 58 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: am as a person that's in the culture, a part 59 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: of the culture, but I had no idea of what 60 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: you guys went through. I was just gonna say, like, 61 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 1: that's why it's important for this show. Look, you're telling 62 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: our stories and we can't count on other people to 63 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: tell our stories. We have to tell our own stories. 64 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons I wanted to be here, 65 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: Thank you God. A little problems, and I've been listening, like, 66 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: not just this story. You tell so many important stories 67 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: and unsung heroes that really have really done a lot 68 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: for the culture, but people might not know. So the 69 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: fact that you dig in like that, it's priceless. No, no, 70 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: I love it. So you know what I want to 71 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: go first? I want to go to your first store, 72 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: um Fashion in the fall, right, yep, that was fashion 73 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: and Effect. Ye Clinton hill Brooklyn. Okay, I just want 74 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: you to understand because a lot of y'all didn't make 75 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: noise when she said Clinton hill Brooklyn because you're probably 76 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: thinking of Clinton hill Brooklyn now. But back in the days, 77 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: Clinton hill Brooklyn was very rough. I'll pack that picture 78 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: so right. I started in eighties seven. So when I 79 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: first started, you gotta think Reaganomics crack error. You gotta 80 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: think New York City was different, right, So the hustlers 81 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: were hanging with the seals, The seals were hanging with 82 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, it was just like you go to Bentley's. 83 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: You can see everything at the bar together. Okay, tell 84 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: me just case y'all don't know. Bitley's was one of 85 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: the gloves in New York City, by the way, she 86 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: flost from us by you heap. So when you think 87 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: about the eighties, right, we're talking about it was electric 88 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: in New York. It was like the hustlers. No disrespect 89 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: to artists and rappers and mcs. But a lot of 90 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: that what you see in videos comes from that eighties 91 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: period on the streets of what was happening, right, like you, 92 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: that's very real. Yeah, that's so. So it was just 93 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: like this period where you were hustling trying to figure 94 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: it out. And then at the same time I was graduating. 95 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: I graduated high school. I went to Lackland Bishop in 96 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Tech. Oh my god, no, no Bishop Lloyd. Okay. 97 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: My other friend who sold cracks went to I went. 98 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: I went to school with Mark Jackson, my Queen's basketball players. Okay. 99 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: So then and Kenny Smith went to Malloyd because we 100 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: were both here. You were right there, um, But that 101 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: whole period was electric because that was to me, when 102 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: a commercialization like it started, the spirit of entrepreneurship kicked 103 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: in hard for hip hop you think about fresh Fest, 104 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: you think about run DMC my Adidas, you think about 105 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: like it's becoming a commercially viable business. Right, and then 106 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Public Enemy came out that that Oh my god, they 107 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: shut it down and they were speaking to us. Right, 108 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: it was everything we were feeling. So one night at 109 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: the Apollo, after the Apollo, me and my girls went 110 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: to Dapper Dance that nighttime, right after amateur night at 111 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: the Apollo at night at there's a lot of stuff 112 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: going on there. Right, we walk at Fabric everywhere, he's hustling, 113 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: he's out there like he has lines here. His cheapest, 114 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: the Lord sweatsuit at that time we're talking in the 115 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: eighties was three hundred dollars. You know what that is 116 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: now that's like three g's right, you know what I 117 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: mean from the eighties, that's without anything on it. So 118 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: automatically I just was seeing, Okay, hold on, when you 119 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: say without anything on the logo, without logo s nothing 120 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: three hundred, right, And then it went up from there, 121 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: Like I remember Diane Dixon, right she ran track Olympics. 122 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Started shout out to Diane. We both were cool, but 123 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: like I remember, and she bought that jacket she bought 124 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: and he was making meat coats, reversible, Gucci everything. He 125 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: was doing it better than they were at that time. 126 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: So for me, the light bulb went off, like, we 127 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: have nothing like this in Brooklyn for us, because y'all 128 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: have to understand, Brooklyn was very different than harlemm was 129 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: very different than Queen's. Burrows were everything, and Queen's we 130 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: had the Coliseum are Harlem you had Dapper Dan. Brooklyn 131 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: you had I'll be square More. Yeah, we have, We 132 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 1: definitely had that. But that was the only known for girldfronts. No, 133 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: I mean Conda. We we we used to go to 134 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: Canal Street and we used if we went to Canal Street. Look, 135 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: he's still got to Canal Street right now. You look 136 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: at her. I think a lot of people that and also, um, 137 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: the Diamond Exchange, you know. So it was a few options. 138 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: But some cats went to let me ask you something, 139 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: growing up in hip hop, what was the first hip 140 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: hop brand that actually hit mm hmm was it fool? No? 141 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: So for us it was it was For me, I'm 142 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: an answer Walkerware, but I'm gonna say like we were 143 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: so cross colors. So what happened was just the timeline. 144 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: So I opened Fashion and Effect and Carl had Carl 145 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: can I had a tailorship and Flatbush called um it 146 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: was a tailor shop. And then it was him and 147 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: a Z And then in another part of flat Bush 148 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: there was Miguel Navaro, God blessed the Dead, and it 149 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: was the three of us and we were making a 150 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Now Carl came out to l A 151 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: to try to to get out the production. I'm still 152 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: at Fashion and Effect. And then during this storm growing 153 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: course colors started bubbling Cross Colors and damage was they 154 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: both black old? Cross Colors was damage. Damage was in 155 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: black You're working on my childhood right now. Damage was 156 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: not always stood. Damage was looking at you ross my mind. 157 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: Yeahs doing it was damage to right. So damage was 158 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: not black old. That's not to my knowledge, Holy molo. Okay, 159 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: all right, they did a lot of damage in the 160 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: everybody board, like you know, I just like everybody. Cross 161 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Colors was though. Cross Colors was they were if you remember, 162 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: they were the first brand to be on Black Enterprise 163 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: as the first one hundred million dollar brand it sales, 164 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: So that was like the first one to like break 165 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: through the who's created cross Colors? Carl Jones and TJ. 166 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: Walker to to this. So now what they I mean? 167 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: I was too young at that time to think about. 168 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: I was. I was born in seventy seven, So I 169 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: wore across colors, but I didn't know what the culture 170 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: actually accepting it seems like. So we had this, Yeah, 171 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: we had this conversation on the plane. I flew in 172 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: with Cliff. Cliff Love shout out to Cliff. He's saying 173 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: what he actually danced with Houdini and then went on 174 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: to do all this amazing product placement in the field. 175 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: But we were talking about it, and the East Coast 176 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: didn't really wear a cross colors too hard. It wasn't 177 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't like um a disk, but they were very colorful. 178 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: And you gotta think early nineties, late eighties New York 179 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: wasn't doing colors like that in a big way, you 180 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was more the West Coast, 181 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: but some people did wear it, and they wore the 182 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: black red and girl of like sitcoms and stuff. Yeah, 183 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: they had this product place where strong to me, cross 184 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: color was lit. But I was like eight years old 185 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: and it was cool. It's just different. So I wonder, 186 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: because when we google your name, so many pictures come on, 187 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: so many beautiful pictures of artists that we can never 188 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: ever interview, We can never speak to them. So I 189 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: would like to go to a couple of your pictures 190 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: and ask you, this is the story that you remember 191 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: from this. Obviously were gonna start with Tupac, the Tupac picture. 192 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: When we google you, a Tupac picture comes up. There's 193 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: a couple, isn't There's no there's more than one, but 194 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: it's that one one with the with the jersey on. 195 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: I wasn't there that day. How does this picture happen? 196 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: Did he buy it? Did he call you? Did you 197 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: send it to him? What does this? How does this happen? 198 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: So ed lover mark sex. There was a crew Mark 199 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Sex was part of No Face. No Face was under 200 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: the umbrella of deaf Jam. Deaf Jam. They had a 201 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: label out of queens right, so like they were at 202 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: lovers people like stretched right. So I knew all of them. 203 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: So I started styling like they had b WP bitches 204 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: with problems um and I was styling at this time too, right. 205 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: I started styling from fashion and Effect. My first styling 206 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: job was with Audio two. I don't care that crashed 207 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: up Bends. That was us and shirt Kings. We did 208 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: that together. So that was their first name's dropping to 209 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: my signs. Let me just let me just for the 210 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: for the for the listeners that don't know, I'm from 211 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: Queens born and raised. At one point, if you didn't 212 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: have a shirt from Shirt Kings, it wasn't flocked. You 213 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: have to actually go there and get your shirt spray painted. 214 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely shot, what's your name on it? And you had 215 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: to go back to the hood, like you had to 216 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: go all the way the air and go back to 217 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: the and have your shirt spray painting and be like, yeah, 218 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: le's my name. So yeah, I just wanted we can 219 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: continue shout out to Shirk for sure. They were one 220 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: of the first two. When we talk about first, right, 221 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: shirt King, you can't say not then we gotta say that, right. Yeah. 222 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: I never looked at shirt King's merchandise. Yeah, but they 223 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: were kind of like they just don't get that credit. 224 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: You're right, they really did everywhere everywhere. But I'm saying 225 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: people were copying that style of the right yeah, so 226 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: um so yeah, so stretching um poc started hanging out 227 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: and I don't remember which came first, but I remember 228 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: seeing him on a set when I was styling b 229 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: WP and then um another time. I think it might 230 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: have been when I went to try out for Juice 231 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: UM in the movie. I just really wanted At this time, 232 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: I was still doing fashion and effects, so I wanted 233 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: to get my clothes out there so anyway I could. 234 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: I was tumbling, so I wore a customed to Lord 235 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: sweatsuit that was crazy with the bucket hat, and I 236 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: had my cards. I didn't matter matter. But I remember 237 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: him stopping me like, yo, where you get that? And 238 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I made it and when you say him, yeah, 239 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: gave the card and so um. And I don't know 240 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: if that was the first or the second time, but 241 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: we kept seeing each other to the point where, um, 242 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: but your brand wasn't known yet when you meet, it wasn't. 243 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: I was. I was still doing a lot of styling, 244 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: and I was making suits. At this time. I was 245 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: doing something called the rough and Rugged suit, which was 246 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: like I got that in my notes. Okay, yeah, it 247 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: was a heavy denim suit, rough and rugged suit. Cool, 248 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, but this rough suit caught fire. So 249 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: like crossover, you think about the video with E. P. 250 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: M D. They went like all black with the lord 251 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: like that was that suit. But then we started doing 252 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: it and Denomen just a lot of people started wearing it, 253 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: so that gave me the gumption to start walk away. 254 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: But Pop, it was me seeing him styling a lot 255 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: of different people because we started styling a lot of 256 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: people as well from the store. From the store, so 257 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: what happened was what had happened was we're at the store. 258 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: This is still the eighties and we didn't have the internet, 259 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have anything, so word of mouth was the credible. 260 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: So I remember Milking is coming in light and Swatch 261 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: told Milk and he was doing in out and they 262 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: were like, I want in em c light mild milk, 263 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: Milking gazz and Milk is em like brother and then 264 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: Shaggy shine Head right. This is old school but their 265 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: classic and they are legends in Brooklyn. So Brooklyn was 266 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: final in Brooklyn. And then one day a little round kid, 267 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls, fifteen years old, he walked in. We had 268 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: the airbrushing, we were doing airbrushing. We were doing a 269 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: crilege fashion and effect. Now Bige was from my neighborhood, 270 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: so I had always see him on the corner coming 271 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: out the train. We'd always not but I didn't know him, 272 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: but this air brush shirt stopped him. Came in the window, 273 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: found out he was you know, his love was hip 274 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: hop and he was still like trying to get some 275 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: He wasn't, he was just wrapping and he was like 276 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: talking to me and real cool. And that's that he 277 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: started supporting us, and that's how we built those relationships. 278 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: So from that, Milk came back. That's how I started 279 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: finding out about Stilin. After we did that cover, he 280 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: was like, can you guys style our video? And I 281 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I didn't even know what Stalind was, 282 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: but I was like, yeah, if we get paid for 283 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: it too. So we styled the video and um, it 284 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: wasn't that one um. But from that I saw, wow, 285 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: that's another revenue stream branch and we needed them all. 286 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 1: So I was like, we're gonna start styling, and uh, 287 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: that's how we started Stalind. We did um Shock, we 288 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: did um everybody's from Shock took like with his VIDEOSO nickings, 289 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: UM like they a lot of walk away and that 290 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: we said, Um, we did a lot. We did l 291 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: Cool Jas Tour. We did like from one end of 292 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: it to the that all naughty by nature. I stowed 293 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: them for years, one dmc um and only walk Away. Yeah. 294 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: I was very ambiguous on purpose because I remember having 295 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: a conversation with my father when I was first decided 296 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: I was gonna go for it with walk Away, and 297 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if they'll accept a 298 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: woman making men's clothes, you know, And he was like, well, 299 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: if you got a chance that, don't do it. Yeah. 300 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: So I just was like, let the productly, just make 301 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: dope product, put it out there, Let that be the 302 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: star and let people rocket. Like we never had official ambassadors. 303 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: It was just love at that time with hip hop, 304 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: Like hip hop was energy feed energy, and we were 305 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: all building and growing at that time. So it was 306 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: just like I believe in you, you believe in me. 307 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: Less rock, but you were officially styling them, right, I 308 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: was styling some of them and then some wasn't. Style. 309 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: Was the first first bird, first one giving the flowers 310 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: right now, very first one that was famous or a 311 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: couple of the first Okay, So I would say milk, 312 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: I would say audio two, I would say Sean had 313 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: and Shaggy damn Sean, and let's make And then right 314 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: after that pop and just like all the you know, 315 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: like the ground. I met him when he was a 316 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: roadie and then he became that and then he kept going. 317 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: Then when he did Above the Ram, he called and 318 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, I'm doing this movie. I want 319 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: you to do the clothes for the movie. So I 320 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: remember him. I met him and we went to the trailer. 321 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: I met the costume designer the costume war job, but Karen, 322 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: and he was telling her I want her to do 323 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: all all and she was like, she can't do everything. 324 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: He was like, well, I want all black designers. M h. 325 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I got to do um the camouflages outfit 326 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: in that that's walk away and also that hooked vest 327 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: that's seen with him in the grave with the pants 328 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: and the shirt. I did that and then I was like, 329 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: if you need more black designers, call five thousand and 330 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: one Flavors. That's how they got in it to night Yoke. 331 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie like I said, Um, I always 332 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: thought you had it. I don't want to say like 333 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: a given. I thought you hadn't made. I thought if 334 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: you was a black designer like you came, you came 335 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: with l L like like you walk in well, just 336 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: get a deal. Don't walk aware, Um, you just just 337 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: had tupac and just walk and you guys just had 338 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: a deal. I had no idea to struggle that you guys, 339 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean researching you like it was a better sweet 340 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: because some of it. I cried and I was like, really, 341 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: this is what black designers go through. And and when 342 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: you hit Kanye going on the rant and you just 343 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: like like, well, you don't know what's going on. And 344 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: then and then you actually listen to the names that 345 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: he was saying and you go back and research a 346 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: little bit, You're like, he has a point. I had 347 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: no I fucking did. It's been it's been a journey 348 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: for sure, add putting a woman into that equation and 349 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: then being Blexican black in Mexican and not being and 350 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: I was black in Mexican or black and for the weekend, 351 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: Oh she said Plexican. I've never heard that term that 352 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: had put it in a drink champ. So wait a minute, 353 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: wait a minute, hold on home, because I before we 354 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 1: get into the woman far because we have to get 355 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: into the world park, right, But I just want to 356 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: people you to describe how hard it is for a 357 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: designer this period yeah, first, and then I want to 358 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: get it designed to end in being a woman. So 359 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: just okay, because this is us from the outside looking 360 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: at this is early before hip hop fashion is you 361 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: got to realize if we see it on video music box, 362 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 1: we think it's it Like, it doesn't matter if it's 363 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: a headband, if it's if it's if it's a pouch. 364 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: If we see it on video music box, we're saying, 365 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: these people made it. So starting your brand, first of all, 366 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: we had the store. The store was to keep people fresh. 367 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: Then you started styling. How much courage did it take 368 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, I don't want to be 369 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to be competing because I think you 370 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: said you had a fashion show and Jimmy Jazz you invited. 371 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: I don't. They invited. But that's a lot of courage. 372 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: So how do you develop that hervish to say, you 373 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm going from? Stalin took this is this 374 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: is me and I want to invite these people. So 375 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: I think that honestly, I had a as I was 376 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: naive to fear, and I think my parents and I 377 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: now had a good support system. When I say that, 378 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean I grew up my father was in the 379 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: music industry. So my father I grew up as a 380 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: jazz baby. He managed a lot of jazz grades, like 381 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: we called Tyner Gary Bart's, and then by the time 382 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: I was a teenager, he started managing d Train, Jazz 383 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: jay Z, all these people my pops was working with. 384 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: So I grew up watching him literally danced to his 385 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: own beat, Like, Okay, I think what you just said 386 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: just went over my head. Did you say jazz jazz 387 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: z like jazz? Oh do my jazz music? Okay, alright, cool? Yeah, 388 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: he just so my pops. Right, we were in Brooklyn 389 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: and I used to hanging Marcy and I heard about 390 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: these kids that could wrap their ass off and and 391 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: um yeah, I gave my father his demo and then 392 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: they started and we were all cool, you know, because 393 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: you also got jay z and so walk away. That's 394 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: how that all happened, you know what I mean. It 395 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: was just like a family affair. And then um guru 396 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: Ye moved in and was my next door neighbor right 397 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: there when he first came to Brooklyn from huh, And 398 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: so that's how we got cool premier all of us, 399 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he was Keith Okay, he was Keith 400 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: and yeah and so and then context wise, Keith lived, 401 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: um easy mobile living next door to me in the 402 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: next building. So when Park was doing that because I'm 403 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: giving this, I'm giving you Hill like Rosie Perez lived 404 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: on next block and she still does, you know, still 405 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: black Knock. So like the neighborhood was very creative and 406 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: we were all like on this, like Voltron is this 407 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: is what do? The right thing was based out of 408 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: that the area because Spike was right there too. Crazy 409 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: This is crazy a documentary about that neighborhood. In that neighborhood, 410 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Wesley lived over there. Like I love how everywhere it 411 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: was a special time, right yeah, Like I wasn't trying 412 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: to name drop seriously, I was trying to give you 413 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: context of like what was happening that energy. But getting 414 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: back to what you said, I think that, um yeah, 415 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: it just was that time and um it was special. 416 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: So just this just this commercial, right, this is where 417 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: I think hip hop took a turn in fashion. L 418 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: does his commercial for Gap I've been leaving this but 419 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: again and Gap blue shirt on or was it a 420 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: football has? Yeah? So me as an outside of looking in, 421 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: did that help the fashion industry? What kind of message 422 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: was that when he did that, because obviously you know, 423 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: especially now now you see Gap doing business with Kanye West, 424 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: but this was actually the first time we've seen Gay 425 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: do business with people that look like us. But then 426 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: the business that did it look like us. He sent 427 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: a message to us, whether it was the shirt that 428 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: we still for us by us, what kind of message 429 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: did it send into the fashion industry? And we had 430 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: damon and yeah, I'm gonna answer that first, and then 431 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: I want to double back to how hard it was 432 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: as a designer, because I don't think I gave that 433 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: due justice an answer if that's cool, man. The message 434 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: was so strong, it was everything. That commercial was everything. 435 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw it, I was like, 436 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: yes for the win for us, because you talk about 437 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: how hard it was. We had to figure out ways 438 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: to make something out of nothing every time because we 439 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: didn't have the same dollars marketing dollars as Ralph Lauren 440 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: as Tommy Hill figure, so we had to fit in 441 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: the culture however we could get it, You're gonna get it, 442 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that was brilliant to me, 443 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: and it was so clever because they let it happen 444 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: and they were so clueless to the culture that they 445 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: didn't but they didn't know whoever whoever did that add 446 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure that commercial they probably got fired after, but 447 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: it was it was brilliant for Foobil and it was 448 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: just like such a message to the culture like we're here, 449 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: went on apologetic and the best, you know what I mean. 450 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: It was so dope to me because that was like 451 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: the first time that we actually I felt like because 452 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: now people started to research food, you will see us. 453 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: That was regardless, you're gonna get this work and a 454 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: gap ad or not, you know right. So so a 455 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: lot of people started to realize at that very moment 456 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: that rappers are not just brand ambassador's just people that 457 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: is promoting the product, but rappers are actually a part 458 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: of the brand absolute and if we if we if 459 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: we have to talk about that, we cannot say that, 460 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: um we can't say fool without because he was to 461 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: meet the foundation, I still have their first act with 462 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: them in front of the house, you know what I mean, 463 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: Like yeah, like l L got them to the point 464 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: when the world knew about them. That gap Ad was 465 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: a big part of it, you know what I mean. 466 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: But like he pushed and it's almost like a nod 467 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: to the culture. Right, So it was it was besides 468 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: them having dope product, That's what it was. You said 469 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: that first Adam, you said you got to still at 470 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: the first football ad and what is that old in 471 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: front of like, um, I don't know if it's Damon's 472 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: or one of the queen's house. And they got the 473 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: hanging out the car and it's quite too was there? Man? 474 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: You gotta stop downplaying rappers influence this man. So wait, 475 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: you asked me about the designer. Let me just answer 476 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: that real quiz. It's hard as hell for a design them. 477 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: And it's really hard because it's hard because the word 478 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: it's noise of mind. Brooklyn. This is it's just Brooklyn 479 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: to worry about it. She's good, she's good. It's just 480 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: very it's so competitive now it's way more competitive than 481 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: than when I started. When I started, there wasn't a 482 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: street where there wasn't urban fashion. There was nothing. It 483 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: was like going into the wild wah West, like it 484 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: wasn't there. So we were literally creating it right by 485 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: trusting our instincts. I started, I reversed engineered into the 486 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: business because I didn't have a blueprint. I was literally 487 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: feeling hip hop and like listening to how we felt 488 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: and expressing that. And that's how my team was expressing it, 489 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: and that's what translated into the clothing. Right. But we 490 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: couldn't go in the store and buy anything that looked 491 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: like us, that felt like us at that moment. It 492 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: wasn't there yet. And the popping stores was A and 493 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: s at that time, right, may you know about that? Okay? 494 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: And that's that's was like Macy's like that, you know, 495 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: So it was and that's what's the first it was. 496 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: It was and that's the all Mans. I don't know 497 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: if you remember the all that was on thirty fourth Street. 498 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: That was like, um, that was that was like a 499 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: Macy's too. But yeah, so so it was really hard. 500 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: And in the beginning for us, it was really hard 501 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: because nobody believed in hip hop. So the bias were like, 502 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: it's a fat it's gonna go away, it's not gonna last. 503 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: Why should we boy this while you have the Lord 504 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: Sweats was as expensive as Felis. Who are you? You know? Like, 505 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: so we had to constantly tell him, no, it's gonna last. 506 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: We had to do tricks like I can remember, UM, 507 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: to get in the doors. We were like one of 508 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: the first all canal cross colors, UM, Triple five, Soul, 509 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: P and B. There are a few of us, you 510 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Um, But we had to kick 511 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: in those doors to open them up so that they 512 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: became accepted in mainstream. And one of the tricks we 513 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: did I can't remember. They were black Dead Dead. They 514 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: have to black and brown, black and brown, UM and 515 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: an Asian and a black shoutout to share and brew anyway. 516 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: They they we had to really fight for that space. 517 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: We had to because it wasn't accepted, Like the music 518 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: was making money, but they thought it was gonna go away. 519 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: They weren't believing in it yet. So I remember going 520 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: to death Jam walking in one of the room's funny 521 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: story and it was a room full of interns. I 522 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: was working with Deaf Jahm at this time, doing a 523 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: lot of styling and stuff, and I came in the room. 524 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: It was all interms calling asking for a record to 525 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: he played in these record stores, like the records stores. 526 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: They wanted to break these records. And a light bulb 527 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: went off and so I went back to the office, 528 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: like find the top ten stores in the top ten 529 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: cities in every hood, every hood start find out where 530 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: they shop right now, like the viny styles of the world, 531 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: like that, you know exactly. So we found out right 532 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: with the ten cities we wanted to be in, the 533 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: ten cities we needed to be in. Detroit was one 534 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: of them at that time. Yeah, Detroit was one of them. 535 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: Chicago was one of them. No, not then, not yet. 536 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: But we we called them for like six months and 537 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: then we showed up with our little sweatsuits and they're like, 538 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: will you being everybody's been calling, we couldn't find you 539 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: and stuff the ones that didn't accept us that. When 540 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: that didn't work, we say, let's put it in the 541 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: window for Look, we're gonna leave six suits with you. 542 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: Just put them, give us real estate, put them one 543 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: in the window, put them in the front, don't put 544 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: us at the back, don't don't pay. This is what 545 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: I like you to your punk up slignment. We're gonna 546 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: come back in a week. If they don't sell, no 547 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: harm done. And then we would saying six of our 548 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: friends in that week to buy them. So just blow out, right. 549 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: So between those two tricks we built our market. Because 550 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: once they sell, they believe in it and they started 551 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: selling it for you. But they gotta believe in it. 552 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: So you know, that's some of the stuff we had 553 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: to do. But we just had to create create that magic, 554 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:52,479 Speaker 1: just like hip hop. Let me. We had grand Master 555 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: kaz he right, and he was talking about the commonality 556 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: between punk rock and hip hop coming in in the 557 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: fashion side. I'm thinking it looks like the like the 558 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: skateboarding world was doing urban fashion as well. Was there 559 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: ever any Yes, it was an intersection. I think that 560 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: people missed that part of it in the early nineties 561 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: the late eighties, like skate surf and hip hop all 562 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: like think about I don't know if you remember, oppificly, yeah, 563 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: we all about so you know about it. Alexander Queens 564 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: que in them all, the guy lives out Here Now 565 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: started specifically got to start and I think his sons 566 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: and artist now but whatever. That was one of those 567 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: brands that like exactly, it was a lot of them. 568 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: And then it was the show called the a SR Right. 569 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: A SR Show was like the Magic Show. Magic Show. Yeah, 570 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: it's like a huge show that comes to everybody from 571 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: around the world comes to shop that has a story 572 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: in Vegas in Vegas, still in Vegas, and literally the 573 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: ASR Show was like the Skate Search Show. But then 574 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: hip hop was like we need to be there too, 575 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: so because literally you could have on an opie shirt 576 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: and then you can have more your denim overside shorts, 577 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: and then you have on your kicks. So it was 578 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: just like mixing it all together and everybody was vibing together. 579 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: That's how the Lower east Side vibes were or you know, 580 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: um Frisco Oakland like those it was. It was that 581 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: was the vibe. Let me ask you a fashion tip 582 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: and they're gonna go to the QuickTime with Slime. You're 583 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 1: coming back to the Magic Show and then Vegas, Um 584 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: can you We're NIKEE? What Adidas? Or is that a 585 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: stuff for I feel like I don't feel right. It's 586 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: all school. See I'm old school, so that doesn't feel 587 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: right for me. Like it's like you gotta rocket all together. Yeah, 588 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: that looks wrong. I'm just saying I've been seeing a 589 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: lot of my fashion novels. But it's it's there's no 590 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: limits anymore. Like that's the thing the other day, sitting 591 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: there with easy everything on in a Nike sock that 592 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: just bother Yeah, that's serious. Yeah, that's serious. I don't 593 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,399 Speaker 1: even go to the gym like that. I'll be looking 594 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: because I'm like, someone's gonna take a picture at me 595 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: with with just sucking pull a sock on. It feels 596 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: like you're set tripping or some ship. Amen, listen, that's 597 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: fashion tripping. That sing for sight tripping. So you cannot 598 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: do that. Let's just tell us to the young boys. Yeah, 599 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: if you never want a knife. If that coming from 600 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: from my era, it was a no no, because they're 601 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: wilding out here. It depends on what you repping, like 602 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: if you get money or you're getting a check from 603 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: the datas or you're getting check from Mike keeping insistent. Okay, 604 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: now let me let me just ask you this that's 605 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: on the lower end brand. Can you wear Louis what go? Y'all? 606 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: You can mix it up? Is that not racist? That 607 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: sounds like a new second. I'm not asking for me, 608 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: asking me, asking for somebody. I got to think about 609 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: you can think about that, because this is true. I 610 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: see people rock up duty Louis hat, Fendi hat. I 611 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: might have did it with me, but I've seen what 612 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: I've seen people repeat offenders. I'm one. I made one felony. 613 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: You never said like people because my my Instagram they're 614 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: very negative people. So when I post it, they're like, 615 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: you're going on the Gucci belt. But I see people 616 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: get away when it's designer. But if I do Adidas, 617 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: I don't yes, and I put on a Jordan's hat, 618 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: they're talking about my mother you what are you doing? 619 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: I think that might be more men like tipping on that. Yeah, 620 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: it's probably people I know, like why are you doing this? 621 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: But if they were offended hat, what a Gucci belt, 622 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: they could get away with it. Well. So I was 623 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 1: also gonna say it depends, isn't like logo logo logo 624 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: because you can have one of a Gucci shirt and 625 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: nobody knows it's Gucci and then have a belt on 626 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: that just you know what I mean, And people are 627 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: like this one part it's understated. Another part is overstay 628 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You could do that like less, 629 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: it's more sometimes I think you can mix it up 630 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: with it's not all in your face, Lets get away 631 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: with ship. Because I also heard you say that you 632 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: thought that that was the person that brought out the logos, 633 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: like when the logos actually came so you can't really 634 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: have a real friendly and then Nike pants on with 635 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: the same type of logos that just bothers you. Right, 636 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't sit right with me. But can you tell 637 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: the people that did it wrong? He persisted, go hard? Right? 638 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: Can you go hid? No hard? I think that, Um, 639 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: so it's hard to do that. That's like what I 640 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,919 Speaker 1: should say to you, is it's like censorship, me saying that, Okay, 641 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: we'll walk away headphones, go with T shirt. I didn't 642 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: had on and didn't had on No, but the shoes 643 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't matter at that point. Then he had on car 644 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: hard shorts, the car start yeah, get away. Yeah, I 645 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: sunked up. I think I sunked up my analogy. It 646 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't meant to be so now the Magic Show, yep, 647 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 1: the Magic Show was legendary. Now let me actually talking 648 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: to going kind of mad, kind of connected to the 649 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: Magic Show, but asking about how things evolved for you guys. 650 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: I had a story. That's how we met. I opened 651 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: up a store with my my partner he gives called 652 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: Crazy Goods here in Miami because it was hard to 653 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: get these brands. Um and even then, it was hard 654 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: to get the brands down here so and we got 655 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: we had where in each ye uh was some of 656 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: the other brands that Echo was at that time when 657 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: they couldn't with the tapes, Mecca Esco. Yeah, so we 658 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: was trying to get all that stuff. But this is 659 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: the problem we ran into that retail wasn't really my passion. 660 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: I was doing this to create a hub for hip 661 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: hop locally. But then I quickly found out I really 662 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 1: don't like retail because the only way they were selling 663 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: to us was in packs like Costco. You had to 664 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: buy Impacts pre packs because we were young men with 665 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: no credit in retail credit and they were and they 666 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: were and they were forcing us to buy these packs 667 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: in order to carry these brands, and they were pre packed, 668 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: and then they were sending us all the stuff they 669 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: couldn't sell that was usually sweaters and pants that were 670 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: forty five ways or for whatever, forty eight ways. That 671 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: and I was catering to high school kids at the time, 672 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: and eventually it wasn't it wasn't even worse, you know, 673 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: And then we lasted till about thousand until finally the 674 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: department stores locally started buying. And then that made it 675 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: even worse because then they brought down the price and 676 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: we had to hike up the price because of the packs. 677 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: You know. So did you guys know that that was 678 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: happening and was it because it almost felt to us like, man, 679 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: do these brands not know that we're all the culture here, 680 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: let's let's win. So basically, what you're saying in in 681 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: in a smaller fail is walk Away was priced at 682 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: one price in New York City, but when it came 683 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: to the South. No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. 684 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: It made it hard for a small boutique hip hop 685 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: clothing store to eat, to have to be in business, 686 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:46,919 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. This is good. Yeah, yeah, reading people, Yeah, 687 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: so yeah, did you guys, like what was your thinking 688 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,760 Speaker 1: knowing that that was going on? So let me explain 689 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: it back into that because I definitely feel your pain 690 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: for us being young designers. Um being a designer period. 691 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 1: We needed to pay our bills, right, So black and 692 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:12,839 Speaker 1: brown designers, here's another challenge we have. There's something called 693 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: minimums when you produce in fashion at the factories, and 694 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: the minimums then weren't low. Just like when you go 695 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: to buy a house, sometimes black and brown have to 696 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: pay more and then so the same thing, like if 697 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: you want to be in this business, we need twelve 698 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: units per color in your order. We have to sell 699 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: into that. And when you are ordering like I want 700 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: one small, I want three mediums, I want it's very 701 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: hard for us to do business with the factories that way. 702 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: So we have to buy and bolt, and then we 703 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: have to do our homework in the map. We got 704 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: to look at the averages around the country and say 705 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: mediums and largest are selling, the most smalls are selling, 706 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: the least double x is are selling. This was the business, 707 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: not just us, it's everybody, right, So you put you 708 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: put together your side scale and say this is how 709 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: I think my hood is gonna buy my customer um 710 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: and then you say, I need to get dollars in 711 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: a minimum order if you want to play, because if 712 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 1: it's not that, because here's what was happening on our end. 713 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: Like I'll give you an example I had. I had 714 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: a distribution almost zeal a few times. One was with 715 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: Threats for Life with Crods Colors. Mom was with um 716 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: Usa Classics which they had Ever Last Dance, Scanned, Fat Farm, 717 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: all these people, but when you deal with them, they 718 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: want big numbers it's just like the record and you know, distributions. 719 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: They want you to sell. Now I'm want to dance 720 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: because it's not independent totally anymore. Right, i gotta make 721 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,280 Speaker 1: them happy. But at the same time, I'm not wharring 722 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,399 Speaker 1: my brand. I don't want to intense stores on every block. 723 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make sure that if I'm gonna build 724 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 1: with you in your store, I'm treating you right. But 725 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna be exclusive in your hood. But now you 726 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 1: gotta buy into my business and you gotta build with 727 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: me invest um, and that's the only way it's gonna 728 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: be sustainable. Now I have to have a conversation with 729 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: the retailer because he doesn't want to sell you. He 730 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: wants to sell the guy down the block that can 731 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: do bigger numbers, because that's all they care about. And 732 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: I have to be like, nah, he's official, We're gonna 733 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: go with this guy. So we had to have minimums 734 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,320 Speaker 1: to pay bills. And then on the other side, often 735 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 1: my business was percentage, so I took a loss a 736 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: certain percentage. No one I was gonna take a lord 737 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: because dudes were buying off their credit cards or doing 738 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: C O D at that time, and a lot of 739 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: people was just luck, you know, like I'm investing in 740 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: the hood, like they're investing in me. I pray they 741 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: pay their bills. But sometimes a lot of the times 742 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: that came back, they bounced them and stuff like that. 743 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 1: So that court that's costs of business, you know. So 744 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,800 Speaker 1: I had to write that off, but just keep trusting 745 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 1: the hood and then fight with the dudes that were 746 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: the distributors. So all that stuff was happening. That that's 747 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 1: the business. So as I watching the documentary, right, I 748 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: seen Mesa talk about times where she styled a person 749 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: and then they took the style from her and I 750 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,359 Speaker 1: didn't call her back and didn't when it came time 751 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: for so I have to ask you the same thing. 752 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't the time you styled the artists, and the 753 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: artists blew up, and then it came time for them 754 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: to like show love back and say, you know what, 755 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing the shoot in Paris and I can have you, 756 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna hire pepper lip pew. Yeah, I'm sure 757 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,360 Speaker 1: they were. I'm because you're not drinking. So usually this 758 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: is an easy question. So um, no I care say, 759 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 1: like per se, because I did have a lot of 760 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: love when it came to the tribe. But I walked 761 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: away at the height of what was perceived success. For 762 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,360 Speaker 1: the next question, yeah, so I didn't really have that 763 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: problem per se. I think that, Um, it was more 764 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,959 Speaker 1: problems like honestly being a woman in a man's world. 765 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: Sometimes not getting paid, like trying not to pay me um, 766 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: And I had to put that ugly head down to 767 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: make sure I got paid, you know what I mean. 768 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: No one actually front I never got fronted on in 769 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: that way because we leaned out of the styling and 770 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: really focused on the business of walk Away after a 771 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: while and did more of that than anything. Nobody gave 772 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: walk Away too, and then they blew up afterwards and 773 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: they didn't want to wear walk Away anymore. Oh, I'm 774 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: sure that happened. I mean, because this time around it's 775 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 1: a lot harder than it was last time. So when 776 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 1: you asked before about designers in and designers now, there 777 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: are a lot more designers and we're living in the 778 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: age of technology, and so it's a d D and 779 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: a lot of times the last thing you see is 780 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: what you love. It's not like um, loyalty anymore. You 781 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: know where I came up in loyalty in a different 782 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: time of like brands meaning something of substance. I think 783 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,359 Speaker 1: you got fashion over, you got all this disposable clothing. Um, 784 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, like to me that for us by us 785 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,839 Speaker 1: was real. It's a different time now, Like in terms 786 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: of the thought process of like I wanna I'll see you, 787 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap my people. You know, I don't see 788 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 1: that so much anymore. You know. I think we were 789 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: trending last year, but I think it's going back to 790 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: business as usual, So you know, I see it. You know, Um, 791 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: last year was our best year. Yet we had to 792 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: kill a year and walk away, you know. But I 793 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,040 Speaker 1: just think that, Um, I want to see how sustainable 794 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: that is for us US, you know what I mean. 795 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: Like in terms of black and brown designers. Now, you 796 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: you had like to what we like to call to 797 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle dro meaning you walked away at your height. 798 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,840 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't understand that. Like, like I 799 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: was hanging with Dave Chappelle the other day and I'll 800 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: never ask him this, and he'll just just voluntarily say, man, 801 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: I just wanted to leave, And I just mean I 802 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,919 Speaker 1: was looking at him because I was such a fan 803 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,800 Speaker 1: what he was doing. I don't want to act like 804 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: why the funk would you walk away? Or why do 805 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: you do that? But I got you here so so um, 806 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: because that was the rumor, like why would she walk away? 807 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: The company is doing great clothing and selling you know, 808 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: why did you walk away? When you walked away? From 809 00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,279 Speaker 1: walking away? M hmm. I think that I came up. 810 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: I started in this business right when it was. I 811 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: was twenty one when I started with Fashion and Effect, 812 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 1: so I was still junior in college and I literally, 813 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 1: you still look twenty one, by the way. I'll take that, 814 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: all right, I'll take that, thank you, thank you, thank you. Um. 815 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,320 Speaker 1: But I started at twenty one and and it was 816 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 1: just me falling in love with hip hop literally and 817 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,359 Speaker 1: and no one. I didn't want to work for someone else, right, 818 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,799 Speaker 1: and then I found something I was like, I can 819 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 1: definitely I was a hustler, so I knew how to 820 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,520 Speaker 1: elongate in this. But I want you to answer this question. 821 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 1: But was there any other women inspirations that owned that 822 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: company at the time? Yeah, it wasn't, okay, So so 823 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,280 Speaker 1: now fast forward. I watched it become this multibillion dollar business, 824 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,960 Speaker 1: and I watched a lot of designers get screwed over that. 825 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: I've met with a lot the designers. I would always say, 826 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 1: hold your trademarks. Those are your master's right. But a 827 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:16,839 Speaker 1: lot of people didn't understand it. I got sometimes, if 828 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 1: you are in love with something and you get to 829 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: see the inside navigations of it, you can fall out 830 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: of love, you know. And the fashion business mirrored the 831 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 1: music business. So to give you context, in the nineties, 832 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: all the black music label divisions started closing closing up. 833 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:47,240 Speaker 1: You remember that, Yeah, And shortly after that they started 834 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: saying urban fashion was going to be dead, the decline 835 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: of urban fashion. I saw the writing on the wall. 836 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: I started telling everybody. I had something called Alliance of 837 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: Minority Designer where I brought us all together, like I'm 838 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,839 Speaker 1: buying ten thousand yards, you're buying ten thousand yards. Let's 839 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: buying together. Let's build like yeah for like dinnim or whatever, 840 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: just the power together. Like if we do this together, 841 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 1: we will be the industry because we will all getting men. 842 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,320 Speaker 1: But I think early twenties, no one it was a 843 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: d D without the internet. You know what they are 844 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,040 Speaker 1: at the bar, like let's live you know, so fast forward. 845 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 1: This is after Mike wlling my stuff in the ring 846 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 1: like it was at the height of Mike Tyson. Mike 847 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:46,319 Speaker 1: Tyson views a little crazy, okasticking regular microphone Psten talk 848 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 1: about it was all these moments that led up to 849 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,239 Speaker 1: this space. But I felt very heavy. It was all 850 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: about the business I was watching. Was it was a lot. 851 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: It was a lot. It was related everything. I related 852 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,840 Speaker 1: everything like it was. Everyone was congratulating me, and you 853 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 1: you can't even understand this, but literally it's gonna sound crazy, 854 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,400 Speaker 1: but the seasons were changing and I wasn't even seeing 855 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: that because I was so focused and so like stressed 856 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,839 Speaker 1: on what was ahead that I wasn't seeing. I wasn't 857 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: even I could see you and not see you. But 858 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 1: it wasn't me being flaky or stuck up. It was 859 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: just that my mind and somewhere else, you know what 860 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean. And I had to catch myself, like everyone's 861 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,759 Speaker 1: congratulating me, but I feel like sho. I had a 862 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 1: New York showroom in l A and a Vegas show 863 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: room and I'm I'm traveling all the time. Everything's it 864 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,240 Speaker 1: was all over the place, and I I wasn't being creative. 865 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,400 Speaker 1: Number One, I went to magic it looked like a 866 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 1: ship show. It was just like a circus, everybody trying 867 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: to get free product. It was just who could have 868 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: a bigger booth. No disrespect to everybody, but it just 869 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: became this big marketing vehicle of like who had the 870 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: biggest guns. But we weren't doing business anymore. And I 871 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: saw the decline coming because I had already seen what 872 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 1: was happening in black music. It was just a ripple 873 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,000 Speaker 1: effect because fashion and music are the two biggest forms 874 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 1: of inspiration and for us it's our culture. So I 875 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: knew what was coming. Like I just was like, I'm out, 876 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I just I chose me. 877 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,560 Speaker 1: That's literally what happened. Because I was almost afraid to 878 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: walk away at that point because I was so attached 879 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: at that moment to walk away. It's like when I 880 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: feel like, it's like that sound of walk away. So 881 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: let me ask you bouncing around someone coming by the brand? No, 882 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: I owned it. I owned all the equity that I 883 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,240 Speaker 1: just shelved it to take my USA. And the way 884 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: that you describe magic is the way that the music 885 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,920 Speaker 1: conferences started to turn into how hard so magic? You 886 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: buy booth um, It's it's an approval process. You buy 887 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: a booth um like the Grammys. Almost it's it's your Grammys, 888 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and you come and I 889 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,280 Speaker 1: remember the first time we did it, we didn't even 890 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 1: have a They didn't put us on the floor because 891 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: it was no street where anything. It was just like, 892 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: we don't know where to put you. So it was myself, 893 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 1: it was Karl can I and it was Cross Colors, 894 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: and they gave us a conference room right outside of it, 895 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 1: and we we made a booth. We made a booth 896 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: that was a jail cell, and we sent out invite 897 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: and said come serve your sentence, and we invited all 898 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 1: the buyers and they all came. We stood like two 899 00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 1: million at that show, and then we were on the 900 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: floor after that. That was like when it first started. 901 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 1: So let me actually, was there other black designers on 902 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: the floor that wasn't you all but black designers that 903 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: wasn't hip hop? I had no idea. I can't even 904 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: confirm that. Okay, okay, that's that's cool. I'm just trying 905 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: to picture. But what I can't confirm is it felt 906 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: like you can hear a pin dropt at Magic At 907 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: that point, it was stepped through. It was like no 908 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:31,880 Speaker 1: disrespect used car salesman, a table, quiet his hiss a shirt, 909 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: here's a jacket. You know. It was quiet. It was 910 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,840 Speaker 1: very wonder bread and was fooboo bigger at that time. 911 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,920 Speaker 1: Fool wasn't out yet, it wasn't even there yet. Holy. 912 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 1: I remember when they first was started and they came 913 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: that like I met with them. Yea, wow, it was 914 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,400 Speaker 1: coming to you before they started. Puffy bad Boy, Like 915 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people came and talk when they were starting, 916 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 1: when they started their coming. Okay, how about rocket with 917 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: rocker wear? Damn. A matter of fact, I told yeah, 918 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,920 Speaker 1: damn and me talked a lot. And when he tried 919 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,000 Speaker 1: to do it himself. I remember when they want. I 920 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 1: was at John Street. They were downtown. Um, they had 921 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: an office downtown, and he decided he wasn't gonna do 922 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,400 Speaker 1: it his his own, but he bought like seven machines 923 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,440 Speaker 1: and he called me like, yo, you want these seven machines, 924 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna do it myself. I came and 925 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: got him and yeah, hold on, he took the machines 926 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 1: off his hand. Yeah, I took him like he was. 927 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,560 Speaker 1: He was like, I can't do this myself, you know, 928 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 1: like I guess he tried. Wait wait a minute, kids, 929 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 1: that is clueless, clueless that wants to start fashion. Hold on, 930 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. Are you saying you guys could 931 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,520 Speaker 1: literally have your own machines and make your own clothes yourself. 932 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 1: That's right, Get the funk out of here. I never 933 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,320 Speaker 1: really kind of. I always thought, you guys will make 934 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,840 Speaker 1: a T shirt or something, sitting everything else to China. Well, 935 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 1: you can do that too. But when we started, literally 936 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,840 Speaker 1: we started out of our I started out of my 937 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,080 Speaker 1: house before I had this store, and literally I made 938 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: my own cutting table um. I was not sewing, but 939 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 1: I was designing. And then our success leaves clues. So 940 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:21,640 Speaker 1: I had borrowed some adapts, tailors and some other people 941 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: that I knew. Bell had people uptown in Harlem and 942 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 1: people that were doing it, doing what we loved, and 943 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: I was like, that's the formula right there, So come 944 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,360 Speaker 1: over here, this is how I want to design. This 945 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,440 Speaker 1: is what I want to do. Can you make it? 946 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: So we we bought the fabric. We were the creative 947 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,240 Speaker 1: directors and the designers, and then we we set up 948 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 1: the tables. We bought the machines we could see what 949 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,520 Speaker 1: everybody had from jukies, two singers, and we got busy. 950 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 1: She's a success. Leaves clues when hip hop we thought 951 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: we made our own music and sold our own tapes. 952 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: This is the that's the real fucking ship. You can 953 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,600 Speaker 1: cut your own ship. Go take them six floor sues 954 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 1: cause signment, make them make it real. Okay, First for that, 955 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 1: what were the five hottest spots in New York City 956 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,800 Speaker 1: at that time when you wanted to get your clothes 957 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 1: just to find it doesn't have to be the five boroughs, 958 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: the five Simmons was one Simmons. Simmons was one for us. 959 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 1: Simons was on Belmont in Brownsville. Okay, I definitely okay, 960 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Simmons was one Brownsville back then. Dr Jay's back in 961 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 1: the day Dr Jameson was a spot. Um, I would say, 962 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:52,120 Speaker 1: um before that even a j Lester's uptown that um 963 01:02:52,480 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 1: it was what else would be shopping Saunda, Yeah, No, 964 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: that wasn't even out yet though. Dr Jay's, Like, there 965 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,000 Speaker 1: weren't a lot of hot spots in in Brooklyn to me, 966 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,320 Speaker 1: like we would have New York City period. You were 967 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,600 Speaker 1: going to Macy's, you were going to Ans, you said, 968 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them like Shirt k Oh, you mean 969 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: stories like anywhere. Yeah, it was. I would say Miguel. 970 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,920 Speaker 1: I would say Miguel Navarro. Shout out to Miguel. He 971 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,200 Speaker 1: was super dope. So hey, Suss can do my son. 972 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:34,280 Speaker 1: He made clothes for all of them, like they were 973 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,080 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn bok of mixtapes. Um, you know, but they 974 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,920 Speaker 1: were legends in New York City. And and when you 975 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: think about them, Peter Schoe, you know all those guys, 976 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,880 Speaker 1: We made clothes for all of them. And then um 977 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: and and Miguel was one I made clothes. Um, I 978 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:57,920 Speaker 1: would say call his shop was a dope spot um 979 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Shirt King's definitely there was bell up Town. Shout out 980 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 1: to bell Um. And then it was rapp and then 981 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,640 Speaker 1: of course goddamn, goddamn, let's make some noise for that. 982 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,200 Speaker 1: It's a part of our show where we play a 983 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 1: games called quick Time with slim Um. You are not drinking, 984 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 1: so you can pick someone out of the crowd and 985 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:28,640 Speaker 1: you can pick them and they'll drink for you. So 986 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:36,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna give you multiple choice. Let's pick the person. Listen, 987 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 1: even though these two guys right there, which which one 988 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,240 Speaker 1: you feel? You know what? You can alternate shot. You 989 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: could be like I feel like I feel like wrestlers 990 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,280 Speaker 1: deserves it, Like where's the shot glasses? We're gonna take 991 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: the shots with all right, because she's not taking the shots, 992 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 1: but we're gonna take. We're gonna we're gonna take. And 993 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 1: you could be totally completely cook. You could say both. 994 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,120 Speaker 1: When you say both, that means that they drink. One 995 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 1: of them drink both both or either. You can look 996 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,360 Speaker 1: and say you say both of them drink. You could 997 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,760 Speaker 1: say just him drink because you could not like them. 998 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,760 Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay. So you asked me to ask 999 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,400 Speaker 1: you the question, and then you can uh do whatever 1000 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,440 Speaker 1: you gotta do. Okay, are ready to answer? Just answer 1001 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 1: the question. If you ask them both, did they drink? Okay, 1002 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: you say did they drink? Okay? Come on camera, yeah, 1003 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,440 Speaker 1: come okay, come on, you're a part of the show. Yeah, YouTube, Barris, 1004 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 1: come on, I know the first one that you should 1005 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,920 Speaker 1: make them both drink. I'm just being honesty, but I 1006 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 1: don't want to. We gotta drink too. I forgot, forgot 1007 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:56,480 Speaker 1: because actually was my sur somethe cool lata some alright, alright, cool, 1008 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure you're gonna make them both drink 1009 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:04,680 Speaker 1: and drink for this shot. Shot. But I could be wrong. Everybody, 1010 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:16,800 Speaker 1: how are you gay? Comet nas or jay z h oh? 1011 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:35,880 Speaker 1: They all right? Dolly got wrong, motherfucker, April Walker, goddad. 1012 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: I knew she's gonna play the game. Even though I 1013 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 1: knew she was gonna be She's gonna play the game, Okay, 1014 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:49,680 Speaker 1: the correct way. Respect or loyalty. M hmm, I say respect, 1015 01:06:49,720 --> 01:07:00,479 Speaker 1: because with respect you get loyalty. DMX or Tupac. I love. 1016 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: That's a hot one. Man. You ain't even got ain't 1017 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 1: even gonna do it even have both these bozo dudes 1018 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,960 Speaker 1: take a shot. We're taking a shot to me, we'll 1019 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:16,439 Speaker 1: have four if you want. Okay, so I love both. 1020 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go with pop Okay, Okay, alright, 1021 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:26,920 Speaker 1: Miami or l a m hmm, okay, this go god 1022 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:31,120 Speaker 1: damn there, you're gonna got damn. I'm in cheers, cheers, cheers. 1023 01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, take a shot, boys, man, that's my Majuanna 1024 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,440 Speaker 1: is not tasting, it's hitting that mal wanma huh okay, 1025 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:50,680 Speaker 1: shut up, Mamajuanna. Okay, you're ready. You have to get 1026 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,520 Speaker 1: your shot. Yeah, oh, I didn't take minds. I'm sorry. 1027 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm playing the game for real. Nineties are two thousand 1028 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:14,960 Speaker 1: hip hop. I expect that Farella Kanye West to take 1029 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,840 Speaker 1: a shot because how confident she was. I respect that. 1030 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,799 Speaker 1: I respected that. I don't even want to know why. Okay, 1031 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,360 Speaker 1: this is a new question. They added this Kanye sneakers 1032 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:37,479 Speaker 1: or for real sneakers. It is a twist. It is 1033 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,600 Speaker 1: a twist. It could be here. Yeah. Yeah, but we 1034 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,720 Speaker 1: got a dream we need she said, neither. Holy shit, 1035 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:52,880 Speaker 1: this is a fashion not on. This is y'all ship ship. 1036 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm all school, I got all stasmus. That's right, Okay, 1037 01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 1: all right, okay, you guys are assholes. Okay, eighties clothing, 1038 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:28,280 Speaker 1: first nineties clothing. That's kind of hard. Both well, I 1039 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:35,479 Speaker 1: mean my shot is already, bart Yo, come on, Boris, Boris, 1040 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,200 Speaker 1: borest man, come on yo. This whole time you have shot, 1041 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:46,400 Speaker 1: you're doing. You take a shot. You're not drinking, you're 1042 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:51,240 Speaker 1: not drinking. Words or he's gotta drive forgot studdy. That 1043 01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:56,200 Speaker 1: means you gotta take double You did you didn't drive right? 1044 01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,320 Speaker 1: Or did you? Alright? Cool, I We'll take your shot. 1045 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,320 Speaker 1: I got damn take your shot. I'm taking it to 1046 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:09,599 Speaker 1: a little I'm taking the toothy took an uberman relaxed. Okay, 1047 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't know where you're gonna go with this this one. 1048 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm very very curious. One because you're a hip hop fishionado, 1049 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,960 Speaker 1: and two because you're a woman. We asked this to 1050 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:28,360 Speaker 1: a lot of men, Cardi b or Nicki Minaje, Cardy, 1051 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,800 Speaker 1: you said that very fast and very tough. I'm gonna 1052 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,200 Speaker 1: have to ask why on this one because I'm looking 1053 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: at the whole, the whole vibe, and I think that Cardi, 1054 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,960 Speaker 1: we look at like what she's accomplished, like as a 1055 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 1: businesswoman who fierce. Okay, this one, I don't know where 1056 01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,479 Speaker 1: you're going puff Daddy or Dr Dre mhm mm hmm. 1057 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:08,920 Speaker 1: Shot were in if you want to go shot. No, 1058 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:14,040 Speaker 1: it's whatever you've been picking never it is in your 1059 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:21,880 Speaker 1: mind either way. Uh. I would have to say from 1060 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 1: a music standpoint, a standpoint, I'm gonna go with Dre. 1061 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:31,559 Speaker 1: From a business standpoint both, I saynds like a shot 1062 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,800 Speaker 1: to me, she picks alright, cool, I'll have one, lady. 1063 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:44,320 Speaker 1: Okay podcast or radio podcast. I think I'm taking the 1064 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,240 Speaker 1: shot of that as well. Your problem if you go on, 1065 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:58,360 Speaker 1: we didn't live together, let's do it so look. Oh 1066 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 1: that that one was a little harsh. You get to 1067 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:06,439 Speaker 1: be so much. Um. Yeah, yeah, you really get to 1068 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:19,400 Speaker 1: know people, Okay, major or independent? Mm hmm. Independent. He 1069 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:24,280 Speaker 1: just smiles every time someone says it independent. Even if 1070 01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:30,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't smile, just look at his face. He's smiling. 1071 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,320 Speaker 1: He's just he just he just feels like this because 1072 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,639 Speaker 1: I just think, if you can survive independently and own everything. 1073 01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,200 Speaker 1: But I tell him, there's nothing against anything major. But 1074 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,040 Speaker 1: if you own and you can survive independently, then you 1075 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,560 Speaker 1: can take advantage. If you go to a major, but 1076 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,800 Speaker 1: you can still maintain ownership or something go first, then 1077 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,240 Speaker 1: you lose ownership. I don't disagree with him. What I 1078 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,720 Speaker 1: what I do believe is still own your brand, but 1079 01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:01,040 Speaker 1: use that major market. But if you can usually both both. 1080 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:06,679 Speaker 1: The nice part about ownership it's legacy, and that legacy 1081 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,519 Speaker 1: you could pass on to your kids, your grandkids, and 1082 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,160 Speaker 1: that's a nuity growth And well, god damnit, listen, I'm 1083 01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm for sure. I don't know what you're gonna say 1084 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,800 Speaker 1: on this one. I thought I was for sure, but 1085 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't. Queen LATIFU or MC light. M hm oh, 1086 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm for sure. I knew she was gonna see. I 1087 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 1: was for sure, but I didn't want to say that 1088 01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:36,960 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to look stupid. But I was 1089 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:44,000 Speaker 1: for sure. I got damnit, I'm gonna be loosing Carbones 1090 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:49,200 Speaker 1: the Knight. Get dam ready he could take a shot? 1091 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,439 Speaker 1: One shot? Letim take one shot? Got damn? How was 1092 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,320 Speaker 1: like one of her first videos, like it's a rock 1093 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,200 Speaker 1: paper then, because what you're telling to me is just 1094 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:09,960 Speaker 1: paper the classes we need the vote on here man 1095 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: light and man Yeah, that would be dope. Get them on. Yeah, Okay, 1096 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you get away with this. What if 1097 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:31,040 Speaker 1: Mesa calls me, I'm calling you because Googy loop or 1098 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,439 Speaker 1: Mesa wrong or that one. I'm gonna go with vote 1099 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:37,760 Speaker 1: the reason why. I'm gonna let you get away with that. 1100 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,960 Speaker 1: But I feel like Mesa talk ruby, Am I inaccurate 1101 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:49,160 Speaker 1: with that? I'm not sure a long time. I'm so sorry, Google, 1102 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Please don't text me. He's don't text me in the 1103 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,639 Speaker 1: game a long time, but he's definitely, you know, taking 1104 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,599 Speaker 1: note for the grades, but he's been in Googy did 1105 01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,639 Speaker 1: one of my first campaigns like way back back. Yeah, 1106 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 1: you've been in the game. We're talking. Mmm, that might 1107 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:11,880 Speaker 1: have been in like ninety two. Okay, my bad movie. 1108 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 1: I did not know that. I'm taking a shot for 1109 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:19,479 Speaker 1: not knowing time anyway, So I'm taking the shop for 1110 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:25,120 Speaker 1: that holy ship, all right. Ain't that was a good 1111 01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:31,280 Speaker 1: one though. Ah, that's that summer watermelon by the way, 1112 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,200 Speaker 1: I listen. I just want both of these people to 1113 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:43,000 Speaker 1: know that we love them both. We just always asked 1114 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,080 Speaker 1: this question because I feel like they both a little 1115 01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,679 Speaker 1: mad at me. We keep asking this question for Foxy 1116 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:58,880 Speaker 1: a little Kim. Yeah, that's for me. It would be 1117 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a say bo Okay, April, I love 1118 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,880 Speaker 1: Kim though, I'm gonna say I love Kim. Kim from 1119 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:12,200 Speaker 1: my neighborhood, and so is Foxy, and so what they 1120 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,800 Speaker 1: represent to the culture is priceless, and they both could 1121 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,760 Speaker 1: spit by it. So I can't do this. That is 1122 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,400 Speaker 1: the greatest choice, and they can't be mad at the 1123 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:27,640 Speaker 1: did you drink your everybody? I try to cheat this one, big, 1124 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:34,160 Speaker 1: your big punt, big. I respect that. Here is where 1125 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:40,439 Speaker 1: I don't know where you're gonna go. Okay, I think 1126 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:49,519 Speaker 1: we should do a drop roll Carcanal or fool. I 1127 01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,479 Speaker 1: have to go with car because what I'll call it 1128 01:16:51,520 --> 01:17:06,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't be Foo. I knew that as yeah, Cross Colors 1129 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,280 Speaker 1: or Mecca. I gotta go with Mecca because Tony Shellman 1130 01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,320 Speaker 1: was my first sales god that started Mecca and he 1131 01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,519 Speaker 1: started with me, and Tony helped me get them salves 1132 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,960 Speaker 1: out there in a huge way. Guys are doing a 1133 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:31,960 Speaker 1: great Yallas fashionable. Listen. I would I want to put 1134 01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,360 Speaker 1: Cross Colors against Damnage. I know this is because we 1135 01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,360 Speaker 1: still quick time with side. But was Poco good? Poco? 1136 01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:47,840 Speaker 1: I like your girl, your whole girl face. Still see 1137 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:54,840 Speaker 1: your faces. Floco had some fly stuff though they had 1138 01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:00,439 Speaker 1: some fly stuff. But I want damage too. You know, 1139 01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,760 Speaker 1: Used definitely was out there too. It was so many 1140 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,600 Speaker 1: your friend your friends just hurt my whole childhood. I 1141 01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:16,400 Speaker 1: didn't own it, but I didn't like it all right. 1142 01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Where we got there, oh Virgin Dan, because without then 1143 01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:33,840 Speaker 1: there would be nothing else. I respect that they went. 1144 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,599 Speaker 1: They went a little crazy with this one for Rapsody 1145 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:43,160 Speaker 1: or Bahama dea mm hmm. That's hard shot getting ready, 1146 01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:52,519 Speaker 1: it's getting ready, shot ready, good, they're both fired. Alright, cool, 1147 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,360 Speaker 1: We're taking the shot too, right, We're not just just 1148 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,479 Speaker 1: holding it that. You guess that's how a little shot out. 1149 01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:07,760 Speaker 1: We don't see the shot. Okay. Last one, mob deep 1150 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,680 Speaker 1: or m o PM. I thought she was gonna go 1151 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:16,120 Speaker 1: Brooklyn with it. Yeah, but I'm just mob deep, like 1152 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:20,080 Speaker 1: one of my anthems. What is that? What is it? Well? 1153 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,240 Speaker 1: I love sick ones, sugar ones. You know what's the 1154 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,040 Speaker 1: project stole from cooking crack? Yeah, that that is it. 1155 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,160 Speaker 1: That is the sugar ones being that is from cooking cracks. 1156 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,000 Speaker 1: He told us that makes a noise, crack tells a 1157 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,920 Speaker 1: fair cracks trackward, I don't know he told us that. Listen, 1158 01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 1: I know he told the man. We gotta ask. You know, 1159 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,400 Speaker 1: we do all due diligence, just like every other guess. 1160 01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,519 Speaker 1: We have to go. We have to understand. And one 1161 01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:01,120 Speaker 1: thing that kept popping up was the first thing I 1162 01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:07,640 Speaker 1: did not know. I did not understand. And as I 1163 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,519 Speaker 1: dug in further, I didn't want to dig because I said, 1164 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,000 Speaker 1: you know what, we got the queen here. Let me 1165 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:19,360 Speaker 1: not do uh, you know, internet gossip ship. Let me 1166 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,400 Speaker 1: ask her the rerecord. Okay, what is the discrepancy between 1167 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:29,519 Speaker 1: you and Virgin? If there is any the discrepancy is 1168 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,400 Speaker 1: a Varsity jacket that he put out that has two 1169 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,840 Speaker 1: WS on it. Big he's selling it. It's selling a 1170 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,640 Speaker 1: lot and he sold a lot of them. And I 1171 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:49,040 Speaker 1: actually saw it first to Carlos Classic Material, which is 1172 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:57,640 Speaker 1: my dog, and he sent me car okay, So Carlos, 1173 01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,120 Speaker 1: damn me, like yo, what is this? And it is 1174 01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:06,200 Speaker 1: a sack at And in the sacks side it's a 1175 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,880 Speaker 1: Varsity with the two W. But the two ws looked 1176 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:15,920 Speaker 1: just mirror reflection of this w W athletic um mark 1177 01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,760 Speaker 1: that I've used since ninety three. Like that's the one, 1178 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,519 Speaker 1: I said Mike Tyson warning ring Um, we just did 1179 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,600 Speaker 1: a run. We dropped it for Christmas and um in Christmas, 1180 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,160 Speaker 1: I think we sold out in like two days and 1181 01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,360 Speaker 1: it was like a moment in time, like we deleted 1182 01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,439 Speaker 1: drops when we'll talk about So we talked about Mike Tyson. 1183 01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:34,960 Speaker 1: Remember at the end of the last year of Mike 1184 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,640 Speaker 1: Tyson did that fight. So we sold out at that 1185 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,920 Speaker 1: same time. So we've been selling it um continually and 1186 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,200 Speaker 1: after it happened, it went kind of viral. This was 1187 01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,920 Speaker 1: Women's History Month and Black History Month and people were 1188 01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,840 Speaker 1: talking about it. UM. So I know. Well, let's say allegedly, 1189 01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,560 Speaker 1: I believe through different people in the culture that was 1190 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:05,479 Speaker 1: saying like nothing. So finally I had to talk to 1191 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:10,880 Speaker 1: some lawyers that reached out to try to settle this amicably, 1192 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,240 Speaker 1: because because I don't want to I never would want 1193 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,040 Speaker 1: to even do that, you know, but I have to 1194 01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:22,680 Speaker 1: protect our trademarks are masters. And remember remember remember the 1195 01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,280 Speaker 1: point because I remember this one year that Pucci came 1196 01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:30,120 Speaker 1: out with the with the puff there was that something. 1197 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: Did you feel like that when you saw yep, I 1198 01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,559 Speaker 1: would that. Then when everybody I believe that did Louis 1199 01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:44,840 Speaker 1: Vuittonucci actually did and he got no credit. So but 1200 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,200 Speaker 1: that's how you got it, zeal because black Twitter came 1201 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,160 Speaker 1: for them, you know. And so I will say I 1202 01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,760 Speaker 1: also believe the only thing worse than racism in this 1203 01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,200 Speaker 1: country is sexism. And I say that because I didn't 1204 01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,880 Speaker 1: I didn't have after that rally with that support, you know. 1205 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,400 Speaker 1: And it's just things you noticed as a woman, you know, 1206 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,479 Speaker 1: no disrespect because wrong is wrong. I'm so happy that 1207 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,560 Speaker 1: got that and um and that and for me, you 1208 01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,519 Speaker 1: just heard it. I'm an indeed, So I'm not doing 1209 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,559 Speaker 1: this to get a collapse. It's about protecting what's yours 1210 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,280 Speaker 1: and what you've built up over the last three decades, 1211 01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,160 Speaker 1: you know. So for me, it's not okay. Um, when 1212 01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:34,080 Speaker 1: you think about Starbucks, when you think about when you 1213 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:39,080 Speaker 1: think about different brands that are iconic, they're iconic for 1214 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,640 Speaker 1: a reason. We're an iconic brand. To think because you 1215 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,240 Speaker 1: put stripes here, it's gonna make it different if my 1216 01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:52,040 Speaker 1: customers are confused and congratulating me and saying dope collab 1217 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:58,599 Speaker 1: or a lot of my customers were getting confused and try. 1218 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:05,519 Speaker 1: So that's clearly the arrogance of another brand saying we 1219 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,600 Speaker 1: can do that and people won't notice, you know, and 1220 01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,559 Speaker 1: how dare you win? We're not. We're an established brand, 1221 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,960 Speaker 1: just like a lot of the other iconic brands, you know. 1222 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,080 Speaker 1: So I just really wanted to also stand up and 1223 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:22,320 Speaker 1: protect black and brown creatives because, like you said, it's 1224 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,479 Speaker 1: not a first. It happened to Dapper Dan, It's happened 1225 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,080 Speaker 1: to a lot. Tyler Perez just this happened to him. 1226 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,920 Speaker 1: It happened to so many instances down there, like you 1227 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,800 Speaker 1: you heard in the remix when they were kidding about 1228 01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,640 Speaker 1: Mesa and Findy, and you know, it keeps happening and 1229 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 1: we can't. We just can't. Let it's happened more now 1230 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,479 Speaker 1: with technology, where do you see these drive bys take 1231 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,680 Speaker 1: place with independent designers and they just take make, regurgitate, 1232 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,680 Speaker 1: and sell our magic back to us, and we just 1233 01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,360 Speaker 1: allow it. So I think a lot of disignors. I 1234 01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:06,599 Speaker 1: think they'll be out gunne because they know they can't 1235 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,519 Speaker 1: stand up in legal proceedings. You know they can't. It's 1236 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,600 Speaker 1: too expensive. So they're banking on that, you know that 1237 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,800 Speaker 1: they can get away with it. So I just I'm 1238 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,680 Speaker 1: hoping that this case is taking a stand for all 1239 01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,280 Speaker 1: of us, not just me. So let me actually, did 1240 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,960 Speaker 1: you know Virgil prior to this? No, you never met him? 1241 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:29,040 Speaker 1: Never met him, never met him? Because it seems like 1242 01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:34,680 Speaker 1: something that's like so easy to agree. I agree, and 1243 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,200 Speaker 1: I was hoping that we could. You know, my lawyers 1244 01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,400 Speaker 1: reached out, but um, they reached out to them, They 1245 01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,800 Speaker 1: reach out to Sacks, and from my understanding, they don't 1246 01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,920 Speaker 1: want to stop selling it. And this was the offright 1247 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 1: of this. Louis ar Okay, Yeah, we need to put 1248 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,800 Speaker 1: the pictures. We need, we need, we need, we need 1249 01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,360 Speaker 1: to put the pictures. And I think that just from 1250 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,280 Speaker 1: the standpoint, like when you're confusion, that's where the problem 1251 01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,400 Speaker 1: is and you're saying, this is not the roblem you 1252 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,360 Speaker 1: wanted to go. Yeah, I mean I would have never 1253 01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,560 Speaker 1: liked to get it to this point. But at the 1254 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,560 Speaker 1: same time, I'm not just gonna lay down here. You 1255 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:20,519 Speaker 1: should make a noise for you about that. But black 1256 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,120 Speaker 1: and brown creators, let me just say this, like, that's 1257 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,479 Speaker 1: the trajectory of my work, like for us UM in 1258 01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,240 Speaker 1: terms of paying it forward. You literally black and brown 1259 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:40,120 Speaker 1: yea literally too. So there you go. So no, that's 1260 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,160 Speaker 1: what we do. Like so so, like I do a 1261 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:46,160 Speaker 1: lot of educational work. I mentor and reverse mentorship ship. 1262 01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:50,519 Speaker 1: I'm big into mentorship and reverse mentorship. I surround myself 1263 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,360 Speaker 1: by a lot of younger designers UM, and they're looking 1264 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:59,320 Speaker 1: at me, They're looking at UM. I want them not 1265 01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,960 Speaker 1: to be a right to do what's right, you know. 1266 01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,800 Speaker 1: And at the same time, this is how we grow 1267 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,120 Speaker 1: right and and and that. Like vid sick, I'm working 1268 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,400 Speaker 1: with VIDs sick. I don't know if you've heard of VIDs. 1269 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,439 Speaker 1: What's that. It's a it's a new platform where you 1270 01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:22,559 Speaker 1: can connect one on one and searchers on there search 1271 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:29,360 Speaker 1: say he actually introduced me he's working with them, but 1272 01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm working with them. That's one of the platforms. What's 1273 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,080 Speaker 1: funny about search? Search hits you and be like, yo, 1274 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:38,280 Speaker 1: this is search. Like you're locked in, buddy. He still 1275 01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:43,040 Speaker 1: introduces itself, but like this is like you can't you 1276 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,479 Speaker 1: know back in the days, like yeah, he's like, yo, yo, 1277 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,439 Speaker 1: this is search. Like wait a minute, you not know 1278 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,640 Speaker 1: if you have something called contact lock. We know who 1279 01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:59,280 Speaker 1: you are, sir, Relax, I'm sorry, I'm sorry hit me 1280 01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:05,080 Speaker 1: today and he introduced himself again. I said, no, that's 1281 01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,720 Speaker 1: the old school ship. You come on, let's do that. 1282 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,679 Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Has anybody who ever rocked 1283 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:17,479 Speaker 1: your clothes? And the way where you said this, dude 1284 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:22,639 Speaker 1: is a buffolio because because because it's about how you rocket, 1285 01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:27,280 Speaker 1: now you give you give us for the same clothes, 1286 01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,519 Speaker 1: it's gonna be about two of us rocket the wrong way. 1287 01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,280 Speaker 1: So have you ever had somebody rocket where you was like, rocket, 1288 01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,680 Speaker 1: don't stop it? No? I never had that because, to 1289 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,599 Speaker 1: be honest, we worked with artists that they got stopped, 1290 01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,280 Speaker 1: that that had style or that had so I think 1291 01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,760 Speaker 1: that brands, if you're lucky enough, you choose to work 1292 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,679 Speaker 1: with artists that are in alignment with your value system. 1293 01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:03,120 Speaker 1: It's like pop the et, Naughty by Nature, EPMD, all 1294 01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,000 Speaker 1: those guys were in alignment what we stood for, you know. 1295 01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:11,479 Speaker 1: Um there were times when we had to turn down 1296 01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:17,160 Speaker 1: artists like who Rump was still skinning and the niggas 1297 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:21,080 Speaker 1: needed some clothes, and you said, actually we did the 1298 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:35,520 Speaker 1: album covered, so no, they weren't. One was playing around 1299 01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:41,200 Speaker 1: the group around definitely, I was playing around. Okay, what 1300 01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:43,800 Speaker 1: was the group? I'm blinking out with their name. I 1301 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:50,479 Speaker 1: promise you describe it one maybe it was true. But 1302 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,160 Speaker 1: the two guys, one of them, they were so dope, 1303 01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:59,519 Speaker 1: but they were pop artists. No. Um KOs had a 1304 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:04,559 Speaker 1: fight with UM oh don't. Oh my god, he got 1305 01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:11,439 Speaker 1: disrecord against me right now. It was a joke PM 1306 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,120 Speaker 1: don the PM on this left and it was kind 1307 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,240 Speaker 1: of ill disrecord to you. I gotta stay out. It 1308 01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:21,400 Speaker 1: didn't hear ye. Hype Hype at that time was doing 1309 01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,519 Speaker 1: a video and I was cool with hyping and you 1310 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,880 Speaker 1: didn't want to do people. So I think they did 1311 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,240 Speaker 1: the video in my apartment, like the main single that 1312 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:36,280 Speaker 1: whatever the video was that, but it just wasn't congruent 1313 01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,519 Speaker 1: with the brand. You know what I mean. I thought 1314 01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,599 Speaker 1: they were dope, but you got them right. And then 1315 01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,640 Speaker 1: at the time I had Pock, I had Biggie I. 1316 01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:50,920 Speaker 1: I didn't want a chance the not just what the 1317 01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,880 Speaker 1: brand value system is. They're dope, but it was a 1318 01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:58,760 Speaker 1: different lay to me and I exactly that's exactly what 1319 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:05,160 Speaker 1: I was saying. So now for we spoke. We spoke 1320 01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:09,600 Speaker 1: about Magic Magic Conference. Magic Conference, which was ill to 1321 01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:10,880 Speaker 1: me because I used to go out there and get 1322 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,799 Speaker 1: free closed. I did not realize that I had holes 1323 01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,640 Speaker 1: in the free clothes that I was getting because they 1324 01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,320 Speaker 1: was sampled. I didn't really realize that to us in 1325 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,400 Speaker 1: the hood floors. And he was like, you know, you 1326 01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:29,559 Speaker 1: got a holy ship. I said, holy movie. I said, okay, 1327 01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,599 Speaker 1: let's move off from that. Yeah, we had to cut 1328 01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:40,240 Speaker 1: them off fashion Week something that I personally because me, 1329 01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm not like a fashion god, just like fly Ship. 1330 01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,240 Speaker 1: But I don't like to invest into the fly ship. 1331 01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:50,360 Speaker 1: But I'm invested into the flysh Ship, but fashion Week, 1332 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't invest there. I don't care about these models 1333 01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,160 Speaker 1: that come to the town. And now I was trafficking 1334 01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,799 Speaker 1: on fifty seventh Street. When I go to fifty seven Street, 1335 01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,960 Speaker 1: all the time and it's okay, So I don't care 1336 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,519 Speaker 1: about these models named Sasho. What what's the point? Bro? 1337 01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:17,320 Speaker 1: But I'm not in fashion for fashion person fashion week? 1338 01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,160 Speaker 1: What does this mean? It is this, y'all super Bowl? 1339 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,760 Speaker 1: Because to me, it's like soccer, Like, you know how 1340 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,320 Speaker 1: the world loves soccer, but we don't give a funk 1341 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,920 Speaker 1: about soccer. Let's just throw it out. Let's just throw 1342 01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:35,519 Speaker 1: it out there. The soccer fan is gonna let's give 1343 01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:50,040 Speaker 1: me the fans soccer trash ship, keep kidding the ball 1344 01:32:50,760 --> 01:33:07,240 Speaker 1: and everybody swam and it's only three points. Good. So 1345 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:13,479 Speaker 1: that's how I feel about fashion. But wait, wait, I 1346 01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:20,080 Speaker 1: want to kind of add on to it. I'm gonna 1347 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,840 Speaker 1: say it's it's going into fashion. Do you feel that? Okay? 1348 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,679 Speaker 1: What's the best way to describe hip hop fashion? It's 1349 01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,200 Speaker 1: I always feel like urban fashion was kind of like 1350 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,599 Speaker 1: a weird way to say it. Is it? I say, um, 1351 01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:39,920 Speaker 1: it's lifestyle. It's really lifestyle. It's just wearing it. Right, So, 1352 01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,320 Speaker 1: in terms of putting labels on, I think we're the 1353 01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,360 Speaker 1: only category that has like had eight different names, right, So, 1354 01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,280 Speaker 1: for lack of better words, we could say hip hop fashion, though, right, 1355 01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,479 Speaker 1: do you feel that we've that it's evolved to the 1356 01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:57,559 Speaker 1: point where it's mainstream fashion and that's why now it's 1357 01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,640 Speaker 1: going into fashion Week. It's one of the biggest industries, 1358 01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:08,040 Speaker 1: made the most money. And come on, so come on, man, 1359 01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,640 Speaker 1: I got you just gotta spray cree. You gotta make 1360 01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,640 Speaker 1: sure the devil is not larking. You know what I'm 1361 01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:21,439 Speaker 1: saying that the okay, cool cool, So I don't know 1362 01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:26,080 Speaker 1: if he does. So, um, yeah, I just want to 1363 01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,160 Speaker 1: get you just a fashion week. Well that's my whole 1364 01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:37,320 Speaker 1: goal right now. So fashion week week. Yeah, I've never 1365 01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,320 Speaker 1: been a fashion week like contender. Like I've never depended 1366 01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,640 Speaker 1: on fashion week to dictate my success or validate my 1367 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,000 Speaker 1: dopeness as a brand. Um, if you look at the 1368 01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:50,360 Speaker 1: color of people that walk the run with, it's very 1369 01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,080 Speaker 1: different a lot of times for the designers that are 1370 01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:57,240 Speaker 1: allowed into fashion. So it's it's problematic in a lot 1371 01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,280 Speaker 1: of ways. I think the world just changed. It is 1372 01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:04,240 Speaker 1: just not fast enough. I'm not waiting for it to change. So, um, 1373 01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,280 Speaker 1: your tribe is your trial. You don't need a fashion 1374 01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,200 Speaker 1: week to tell you. So I feel like you're saying 1375 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,960 Speaker 1: you got heat fu. Fashion Week I'm saying that it 1376 01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,960 Speaker 1: worked for some people and for some people it doesn't. 1377 01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,839 Speaker 1: It's not for everybody fashion weebody. It's not for everybody 1378 01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,240 Speaker 1: fashion week like like like it's fun. It's it's like, 1379 01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:29,080 Speaker 1: it's not something like let me get it out of you. 1380 01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,400 Speaker 1: That's one Listen. Listen, listen. That's one thing that Drake 1381 01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,400 Speaker 1: and car you could agree on right now because they're 1382 01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,680 Speaker 1: going out at each other. Listen, y'all. I want you'll 1383 01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:52,160 Speaker 1: both to realize fashion Week for both y'all. Fashion week, right, 1384 01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't get this because the guy named Pierre, he's 1385 01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:59,320 Speaker 1: giving up Vivi Cligo. He's just walking around. I'm an indie, 1386 01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:02,720 Speaker 1: so you know it's not like as an empty it's 1387 01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,960 Speaker 1: not the important. They only invite me anyway. So like 1388 01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm in town, Yeah, not been mad, just go to 1389 01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:27,160 Speaker 1: fashion show recently. Yeah, come on and disclaimed out in 1390 01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:35,240 Speaker 1: all fairness, it was swim Week, same assholes and be 1391 01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:40,800 Speaker 1: any rating white fashion For the disclaimer. I have to say, 1392 01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to do a collapse with another brand 1393 01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,920 Speaker 1: and you might see it at fashion Week through their brand, 1394 01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,439 Speaker 1: and you'll be right there because you already went. So 1395 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,320 Speaker 1: I like the free drinks I got. I gotta throw 1396 01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:59,800 Speaker 1: that out. I didn't like it. They tees stick too. 1397 01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:04,200 Speaker 1: I like, obviously want to say fashion week that day. 1398 01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,559 Speaker 1: I actually was there sober that day. No, that was fast. 1399 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:12,280 Speaker 1: Have a swim week. Oh so that's okay. I live 1400 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:17,439 Speaker 1: in Miami. Swim were a little different. Shark. You gotta 1401 01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:18,920 Speaker 1: go with your wife and just act like you like 1402 01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,519 Speaker 1: this ship. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, you gotta you know, 1403 01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,639 Speaker 1: you want to stay married. You know what I'm saying, like, alright, god, 1404 01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:30,439 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, because I'm just you know, I was mad. 1405 01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,960 Speaker 1: But they showed me my smoking sections. I have seen 1406 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:38,320 Speaker 1: a smoking section. I said, hey, hey, that's all you got. 1407 01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,120 Speaker 1: That's the cheat to this ship. Have a smoking section 1408 01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:47,000 Speaker 1: with non stinking cheese. Because the cheese they had there 1409 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:53,320 Speaker 1: that it smelled like the thunder from down under. Holy moley. 1410 01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:56,760 Speaker 1: It was not good. April Walker. We love you, Thank you? 1411 01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,559 Speaker 1: What what's what's so? What's next? Up? Before we get 1412 01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,320 Speaker 1: about it? It um just I'm doing a book that 1413 01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,880 Speaker 1: the audio is dropping. I have a book called Walker Gyms. 1414 01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,920 Speaker 1: Get your Ass off the Couch. I brought me for 1415 01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,040 Speaker 1: you walking Jim's Get your Ass off the Couch. It's 1416 01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,320 Speaker 1: all about the passion for two UM and the audio 1417 01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:17,519 Speaker 1: is dropping. The audio has it was produced by Milk d. 1418 01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:21,320 Speaker 1: It has rot progress on it. UM, It's gonna be go. 1419 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,160 Speaker 1: And then I do a lot of educational work. So 1420 01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing a class with Clide Davids Music Institute this 1421 01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,559 Speaker 1: at n y U. This is full UM and it's 1422 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,559 Speaker 1: called the Sound of Fashion. I'm excited about that music 1423 01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:38,720 Speaker 1: in fashion. UM. Work with the kids. Shout out to 1424 01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,840 Speaker 1: Global Finance, teach them B y O B be your 1425 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:47,200 Speaker 1: own brand, build your own brand, vizig vit sick, all 1426 01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,320 Speaker 1: about vit sick. You want to find me? Find me 1427 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:53,480 Speaker 1: for fashion Friday Fridays for new up and coming designers. 1428 01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm doing monthly collaborations. I'm consulting. This is the one 1429 01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:02,160 Speaker 1: on one you want, so you me there if we 1430 01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:08,760 Speaker 1: recommoried that I'm taking a shot for her because you 1431 01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:13,160 Speaker 1: know what our show was about giving people flowers. And 1432 01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, as I researched your story, I really thought 1433 01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,640 Speaker 1: your story was out there. I really thought. But then 1434 01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,960 Speaker 1: when as I as I started the research, I started 1435 01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,160 Speaker 1: to say, I don't know it, so how many more 1436 01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:30,560 Speaker 1: is me? And I kid? You know, I know I 1437 01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,000 Speaker 1: said it earlier, and I know I said it in 1438 01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,960 Speaker 1: a playing way, but I always thought designers had it 1439 01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:39,320 Speaker 1: the easy way. I did not know. Yeah, I did 1440 01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,559 Speaker 1: not know that. Y'all. I got the same hurdles as us, 1441 01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:45,880 Speaker 1: maybe if not worse than us. So I want to 1442 01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:47,600 Speaker 1: give your flowers right now. I want to tell you 1443 01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,320 Speaker 1: how much you appreciate it. Want to tell you how 1444 01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:51,680 Speaker 1: much that we love what you did, how much you 1445 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,920 Speaker 1: paved the way, um ic, how iconic you are, because 1446 01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,400 Speaker 1: like I said, like I really thought when I asked you, 1447 01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:02,840 Speaker 1: when I we searched you, and I really thought you 1448 01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,880 Speaker 1: had someone that you said, you know, I could base 1449 01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:08,800 Speaker 1: this off of, you know, Elizabeth Taylor, or so I 1450 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,400 Speaker 1: thought you was gonna say that when you said I 1451 01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,840 Speaker 1: had nobody, that ship touched me just now, like I mean, 1452 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,160 Speaker 1: like I knew your story, but just now you me, 1453 01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,479 Speaker 1: you say like I had no boy, I just like 1454 01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,240 Speaker 1: you know what, I want to compete with what's going on, 1455 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,280 Speaker 1: and that to me has to be saluted, That to 1456 01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,040 Speaker 1: me has to be respected, That to me has to 1457 01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:29,280 Speaker 1: be honest. And I don't want anything that happened to you. 1458 01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,519 Speaker 1: We want to tell you that to your face. And 1459 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,840 Speaker 1: this is your platform, this is your home. You want 1460 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,840 Speaker 1: to perform. If you want to promote your new slipper line, 1461 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,439 Speaker 1: you can perform it. I mean promote. I meant to 1462 01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:43,120 Speaker 1: say promote. If you want to promote your motherfucking new 1463 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,800 Speaker 1: Eyeline online, you want to promote pink toe nails, that's 1464 01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,280 Speaker 1: just for a little toe, just for the little tough 1465 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:55,120 Speaker 1: ye just letting a fashion week, especially fashion week is 1466 01:40:55,120 --> 01:41:00,479 Speaker 1: in Miami because we out here. This is your home. 1467 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,599 Speaker 1: This is for hip hop, and you are hip hop. 1468 01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,880 Speaker 1: You are not a visitor person of what you are 1469 01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,760 Speaker 1: hip hop. When I've researched you, I have very fun 1470 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,200 Speaker 1: researching you. I like and I love that. I love 1471 01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:18,000 Speaker 1: when I go and researching and it's fun because it's like, oh, ship, 1472 01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,280 Speaker 1: and you don't talk much, you don't talk much, very 1473 01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,800 Speaker 1: to yourself. But I love the fact that you was 1474 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:25,840 Speaker 1: open with us. I love the fact that you and 1475 01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,080 Speaker 1: we want to tell you to your face, we love you, 1476 01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,760 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. You are a hip hop icon. You 1477 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,680 Speaker 1: are a hip You are a person who shape the 1478 01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,280 Speaker 1: mold of how we dress, how we feel, and how 1479 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,120 Speaker 1: we operate. And we love that and we really appreciate you. 1480 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:48,360 Speaker 1: Here drink Champs makes it more so We're gonna take 1481 01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:52,519 Speaker 1: a picture and you do a drop. Again how important 1482 01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,160 Speaker 1: this show is. Thank you so much because you're telling 1483 01:41:55,200 --> 01:42:02,280 Speaker 1: our stories, yes, and you're doing it fearlessly. You're not diluting, 1484 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:13,719 Speaker 1: and you're empowering. 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