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Speaker 2: Al will join us. Coming up. All right, here's a

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Speaker 2: couple of things on the Dodgers, so I'm watching, okay,

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Speaker 2: everybody expected them to blow by the Reds. Yamamoto allowed

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Speaker 2: two unearned runs and six and two thirds over his

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Speaker 2: last six starts. So this is since August thirty first,

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Speaker 2: Yamamoto has allowed three earned runs forty innings, three earned

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Speaker 2: in forty innings, striking out fifty three. The opposition is

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Speaker 2: batting one ten against him over that spans. The stat

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Speaker 2: of today brought to you by Panini America. Now, it's

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Speaker 2: good that he's pitching that well, because in two postseason games,

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers bullpen has thrown four and a third. That's

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Speaker 2: fewest of any team in the playoffs. That's really good

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Speaker 2: news because over that time period four in a third

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Speaker 3: Now stead of a day, stall of a day, stead

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Speaker 2: This is the study and that's why he probably came

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Speaker 2: back in for an extra inning. There is take away

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Speaker 2: some of the stress or the risk with that bullpen.

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Speaker 2: In the three previous season since the current format was introduced,

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Speaker 2: only two of the twelve wild card series had gone

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Speaker 2: three games. This season, today you're gonna have three of

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Speaker 2: the four series go the distance. It's fun. It's a

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Speaker 2: game seven field, it's a winner go home, and it's

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Speaker 2: game three. I was looking at the Dodger lineup and

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Speaker 2: you start to look at Mookie Betts won an MVP,

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Speaker 2: has an MVP. So that's four players, six MVP totals.

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Speaker 2: And I started to think, let's look at other lineups

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Speaker 2: here of how many MVPs have been in a lineup

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Speaker 2: in baseball history. Now the Yankees, this year's Yankees have

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Speaker 2: four players who have won MVPs, four MVPs total. Now,

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Speaker 2: gold Schmidt didn't win his MVP with the Yankees, and

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Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger didn't win his MVP with them. Jim Carlos

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Speaker 2: Dodgers in twenty twenty four, Kershaw, Otani, Freddie Freeman, and

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety six, Red Sox, Knseko, Clemens, Mo Vaughn, and

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Speaker 2: Andre Dawson. But how many? How many MVPs? Kenseko didn't

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Speaker 2: win his MVP there, Dawson didn't win his MVP there,

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Speaker 2: Clemens won his MVP there? Did Mo Vaughn win his

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Speaker 2: Freddie won it with the Red Sox carew. Did Rod

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Speaker 2: win the MVP with the Angels or the A's as as? Okay,

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Speaker 2: see that's the difference here. I'm looking at a team

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Speaker 2: that won the MVP. On those teams, the Reds. Johnny Bench,

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Speaker 2: Joe Morgan, Joe George Foster, Pete Rose, they won their

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, So, I don't think you can count they

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Still impressive though, to have MVPs in the lineup.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I still look at that seventy eight Reds team,

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Speaker 4: I'm asking, I'm legit asking for the fans of Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: that watched that team. Do you think they should have won?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah. You know they faced Brooks Robinson the Oriols

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Speaker 2: gonna be fair to Baltimore. It was a great lineup pitching, hitting, defense,

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Speaker 2: that nationally against anybody that lineup against any National league lineup.

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Speaker 2: Pitching staff wasn't great. Had a Hall of Fame manager

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Speaker 2: in Sparky Anderson. But when you talk about you know,

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Speaker 2: he had fifty home runs back when people weren't hitting

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Speaker 2: fifty home runs. That was a power power, powerful UNI team.

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Speaker 2: Danny Dreesen was on the bench. I mean they had

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Speaker 5: Yeah, PAULI I'm looking at a couple other lineups in

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Speaker 5: somewhat recent history that had three killers that were back

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Speaker 5: Jay Buner and a Rod Forty nine homers, forty four

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Speaker 2: And the Dodgers have one, one, two three r That's

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Speaker 2: what's so impressive is you got MVPMVPMVP and the fact

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Speaker 2: that you got Otani leading off. See, that's what makes

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Speaker 2: it so difficult for a pitching staff or a pitcher.

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Speaker 2: Your first batter is Otani. You don't get to ease

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the way it used to be. Now

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Speaker 2: it's he's here. And can you imagine you faring up

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Speaker 2: You're doing everything, you're checking out scouting report, you're down

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Speaker 2: Then you're ready to go, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Otani gets to the plate and it's just like that

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Speaker 2: and pictures have to kind of that. The mound is

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Speaker 2: it's just a different feel and all of that and

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Speaker 2: that's why Ricky Henderson, Oh, I think he let off

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Speaker 2: seventy nine games with home runs something incredible. Just imagine

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Speaker 2: you start the game and it's like, damn it, he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Marvin, Sorry, I don't want to get on the

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Speaker 4: Ricky topic, but I can't help it. Shouldn't shouldn't he

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Speaker 2: No, thank you, thank you, Marvin. Yes, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: what I mean he said, no a little bit too

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Speaker 2: was in a great fielder. What he was a disruptor

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Speaker 2: as good, if not better than anybody in modern baseball history.

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Speaker 2: When he got on people they got out of their

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauling, I'm looking at the first decade of Ricky

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Speaker 5: Henderson's career and it's almost like Lawrence Taylor. He was

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Speaker 5: impossible to deal with. A base hit became a double

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Speaker 5: automatically his first few years. I mean he was stealing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, maybe I'm not being fair. What was his

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Speaker 5: Lifetime average, Remember he played a lot of later years

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Speaker 5: where it went down, but lifetime two seventy nine, that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he got on base. He had power, Yes, Marph.

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Speaker 4: But when we talk about the greatest players like Bonds

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Speaker 2: If you are a great defensive player, it should be

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Speaker 2: Mike Schmidt was an all timer at third base. George

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Speaker 2: Davey concepcion. Part of the reason why he should be

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Speaker 2: on the Hall of Fame is he revolutionized the position

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Speaker 2: You know, he was able to handle a pitching staff

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Speaker 2: think if you're really good, then it should be part

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Speaker 2: for Barry Bond splits into Young Bonds Old Bonds too.

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Speaker 2: golden gloves in a row. You know, he just didn't

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Speaker 5: Things hurt Ricky Henderson, he's clearly an all time great,

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Speaker 2: Second half a lot of teams though, yes, the second half.

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Speaker 5: Of a career, he was a mercenary. He went from team

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Speaker 5: the game. And the character of Ricky Henderson is bigger

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Speaker 5: than the player Ricky Nelson. And I don't know if

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Speaker 5: you compare it, but like I think Charles Barkley's underrated

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Speaker 5: because he's such a character and a personality and his

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Speaker 5: career doesn't get the do and Ricky Henderson's first Yeah,

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Speaker 5: from from twenty to thirty three, he was lights out, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, great player. You whenever he got up or got on,

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Speaker 2: then he made it interesting. But that's when the stolen

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Speaker 2: Now it's coming back a little bit, but there's nobody

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Speaker 2: going to score. Yes, Martin, it's crazy because guess who's next.

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Speaker 4: Maguire and Conseko like that lineup is is that lineup underrated?

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Speaker 2: That was a great lineup, great great lineup. But you

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Speaker 2: know that's part of the problem of being artificially inflated,

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: I saw a picture of McGuire when he was he

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Speaker 2: then when he looked like that. Chris and Syracuse, Hi, Chris,

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Speaker 7: Hey Danny, I got a couple things for you. You

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Speaker 7: guys were talking Chris Carter the Bike's got him for

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Speaker 7: And off of Fritzie being off for the Jewish Holiday.

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Speaker 9: Dan, I was calling about a lineup from three years

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good lineup. Looks like Pools is

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Speaker 2: Hey and Twine, what's on your mind? Hey?

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Speaker 9: DP five six?

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Speaker 10: You got am going to sleep on your boy? Steve Young.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, the NSA does not give cam Ward credit

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Speaker 2: I said, all right, Pete, how about joining us on Thursday?

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Speaker 2: He'll join us next year on The Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about great lineups in baseball history and

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Speaker 6: Dan, It's got to be in the top five, clearly.

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Speaker 6: But the difference with this Reds lineup is that, you know,

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Speaker 6: And plus here's the other thing, Dan, that game the

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Speaker 6: A tie how does that happen? I can't believe it

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Speaker 6: It's just not fair to these players. It isn't. You're

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Speaker 6: I would be because they didn't create this game to.

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Speaker 6: Cowboys get the ball at their own forty yard line.

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Speaker 6: Think about it. They need ten yards to get Brandon

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Speaker 6: Aubrey and field goal it's and again, let's say they

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Speaker 6: get it at the run it back to the twenty eight.

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Speaker 6: You know, they only need twenty two to twenty three

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Speaker 6: yards to get him in field goal range, and not

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Speaker 6: just a maybe field goal. He is likely to make

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Speaker 6: a sixty six sixty seven yard field goal, you know,

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Speaker 6: in weatherless conditions. I think the one thing the NFL

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Speaker 6: has to look at. And you know, and I don't

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Speaker 6: really cover this obviously now I'm retired, but I've been

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Speaker 6: reading about how, you know, some of the balls that

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Speaker 6: get broken in the kicking the k balls they get

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Speaker 6: broken in better than they did before, and they're going

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Speaker 6: to have to look at that to see if that

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Speaker 6: is a big factor, because kicking a well worn football

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Speaker 6: is much better for a kicker than kicking a football

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Speaker 6: right out of the box.

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Speaker 2: I know you voted for the Hall of Fame. For decades,

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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of conversation about Russell Wilson. Can

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Speaker 2: you play your way out of the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you had Russ in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame in your opinion, but have player played their

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Speaker 2: way out of the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 6: I think so, and I think coaches can coach their

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Speaker 6: way out of the Hall of Fame. You've got to

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Speaker 6: consider a guy's entire career. I think Russell Wilson was

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Speaker 6: a borderline quarterback for the Hall of Fame. We have

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Speaker 6: to remember a few things right now about the quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: Look at the incredible glut of strong quarterback candidates for

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Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame. I mean, I think Eli Manning

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Speaker 6: is a strong candidate. Matthew Stafford is going to be

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Speaker 6: a strong candidate. Matt Ryan is a candidate. You've got

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Speaker 6: a lot of people who are candidates who've put up really,

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Speaker 6: really good numbers. What differentiates you? And now we have

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Speaker 6: seen Russell Wilson be disappointing in Denver, kind of get

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Speaker 6: run out of Pittsburgh when they needed a veteran, they

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Speaker 6: didn't choose to resign him. And he has two out

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Speaker 6: of three ignominious weeks the Giants and loses his job.

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Speaker 6: It all has to factor in, Dan, it would you know?

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Speaker 6: I think he and again we'll see. I think he's

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Speaker 6: got an uphill fight, but then again, his career is

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Speaker 6: not over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Russ was far more consistent than Eli.

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Speaker 2: You got ten Pro Bowls back when it did mean

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Speaker 2: something to be a Pro Bowl player.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure it did mean something in twenty ten

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Speaker 6: years ago. Dan, I don't think the Pro Bowl has

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Speaker 6: meant anything in twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but he did. He was a better He's a

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Speaker 2: better regular season quarterback. His stats aren't. It's not even close.

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Speaker 2: Eli is an inch away from having one Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: with David Tyree's catch, and Russell is an inch away

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Speaker 2: with Malcolm Butler from having two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 6: Blah blah blah. You know so what, I don't care.

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Speaker 6: Could we go back to the championship game in nineteen

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Speaker 6: fifty eight and say, well, what if Johnny Unitas hadn't

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Speaker 6: made such and such a pass, a miracle catch by whoever?

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Speaker 2: Raymond Berry?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't. You can't act that way. In my opinion,

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Speaker 6: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: We're holding it against him because he lost that Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: If you win two Super Bowls and you have his resume,

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Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 6: Okay, but Dan Eli Manning beat the best quarterback head

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Speaker 6: to head in the Super Bowl, best quarterback of all

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Speaker 6: time twice, head to head. He beat the best coach

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Speaker 6: of this era head to head in the Super Bowl twice.

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Speaker 6: I don't care what his stats were. I don't care numbers,

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Speaker 6: and I understand I'm not saying he's a walk in

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Speaker 6: Hall of Famer. But what I'm saying is, at the

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Speaker 6: biggest moments, how about Eli Manning going into Green Bay

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Speaker 6: when it's nine hundred below zero and beating a team

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Speaker 6: that is used to playing like that in that a lot,

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Speaker 6: beating Brett Farve in overtime, and you know, look, I

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Speaker 6: think Eli Manning. I in my opinion, I'd vote for

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Speaker 6: Eli Manning. And I'll tell you why because at the

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Speaker 6: biggest moments of his career he produced, and you're right,

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Speaker 6: his regular season record, a lot of it is mediocre,

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Speaker 6: even though he put up huge numbers. But I am

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Speaker 6: more of a fan of let's not get totally hung

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Speaker 6: up on the numbers, especially because the numbers for quarterbacks

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Speaker 6: now don't mean is don't mean the same thing as

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Speaker 6: they used to.

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Speaker 2: But I can argue that the defensive line won that

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, that first one against Brady. They beat the

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Speaker 2: hell out of him. They dominated that game.

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Speaker 6: How about the Joe Namath Super Bowl. Did Matt Snell

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Speaker 6: have a much better game that day than Joe Namath?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and did? And did the Jets defense totally snuff

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Speaker 6: out the vaunted Colts offense?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, But Joe.

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Speaker 6: Namath was drafted by the New York Jets, was you know,

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Speaker 6: chose the AFL over the NFL. And he had the

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Speaker 6: signature one of the great wins in history, and he

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Speaker 6: predicted it was going to happen. And so I understand

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Speaker 6: what you're saying, but.

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Speaker 2: That's not enough to put him in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Namath had Hall of Fame numbers. He didn't.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't matter he had Hall of Fame impact in

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Speaker 6: a Hall of Fame impact, huge, huge impact. Oh, I

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Speaker 6: understand the era, and I think it's it's more I'm

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Speaker 6: not one of these guys. I just of course you

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Speaker 6: look at his numbers. You look at Ken Stabler's numbers.

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Speaker 6: You know you're gonna say, geez, that's fairly mediocre. You're

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Speaker 6: judging it in a different thing. How about Joe Namath

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Speaker 6: thrown for four thousand yards the fourteen game season. That

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Speaker 6: is incredible in those days. So I'm only saying I'm not.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you can say that, well, Joe Namath

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Speaker 6: didn't have Hall of Fame numbers, no crap. Sure, lock,

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Speaker 6: I see the numbers too, but he had Hall of

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Speaker 6: Fame impact.

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Speaker 2: Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Okay, don't I don't.

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Speaker 2: Did he have did he?

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Speaker 6: Did he do what Joe Namath did?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he beat he won the Super Bowl. He didn't

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Speaker 2: do no guarantee in the sixties, he didn't know one.

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Speaker 6: No one in the sixties did what Joe Namath did

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Speaker 6: for the sport of pro football. No one, no one.

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Speaker 6: And so in my opinion, he absolutely belongs to the

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Speaker 6: Hall of Fame. Was Joe was Len Dawson? A better

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Speaker 6: quarterback was Daryl Lamonica was you know, I'm not I

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Speaker 6: don't really care. I mean, I just don't care.

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Speaker 2: I like you fired up? Do you want to get right?

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Speaker 6: Dan? Who you Dan?

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Speaker 2: Who do you like tonight with the Red Sox and

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Speaker 2: the Yank Games?

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Speaker 6: Red Sox y Eggs?

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Speaker 2: Well here, since I'm talking to you, I'll take the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox.

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Speaker 6: Now. I mean, hey, look, they're relying on a kid

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Speaker 6: who started the year at a ball right.

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Speaker 2: Both of these starters, I don't think they shave. They're

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Speaker 2: they're like twenty four years Whatever happened to deep pitching staffs?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well starters, the whole thing has changed. It's a

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Speaker 6: bullpen game. I know it's a bullpen game. And I'll

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Speaker 6: tell you what these two games, I don't know. I

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Speaker 6: got to tell you something. Both these teams, I don't

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Speaker 6: know how they get to the park and don't just

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Speaker 6: pour themselves into their chair and say, geez, I need

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Speaker 6: a nap. I mean, these games just to watch them

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Speaker 6: have taken a ton out. I mean they've they've really

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Speaker 6: been fun. This has been good for baseball.

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Speaker 2: What were you doing forty seven years ago?

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Speaker 6: Forty seven years ago today. Yes, I was with my

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Speaker 6: good friend Tony Grossi of the Post, the student newspaper

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Speaker 6: at Ohio University. We skipped class that day and at

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Speaker 6: two o'clock in the afternoon, we walked into the Union,

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Speaker 6: the nice little bar on campus, and we asked the

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Speaker 6: guy to put it on I think ABC, right, put

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Speaker 6: the TV on ABC, and we watched the Yankees and

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Speaker 6: Bucky Bleeping Dent win that game, and the class we

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Speaker 6: skipped newswriting and editing. We were seniors. The professor of

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Speaker 6: the class came in midway through the game at the

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Speaker 6: end of the class and he just said, yeah, you

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Speaker 6: guys are in trouble, but he knew that we were

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Speaker 6: going to be there, and we watched the game. It

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Speaker 6: was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Don't be a stranger, Pete. You know something that bothers

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Speaker 2: you get you fire, you let me know.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Dan, really appreciate your reaching out.

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Speaker 2: That's Peter King, Hall of Fame NFL writer. Yeah, Pete

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Speaker 2: said to me yesterday, I'm fine with a tie in

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Speaker 2: overtime and ask me what I was doing forty seven

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Speaker 2: years ago. I said, all right, I can do that.

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Speaker 2: Always great to hear from him, We'll take a break.

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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up. Al Michaels will join us

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Speaker 2: next hour back after this.

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Speaker 2: He's got the game tonight, the Niners against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: Gambling Podcast after the show available at Danpatrick dot com.

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Speaker 2: We have Dylan in for Fritzie today and he'll be

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Speaker 2: on the Gambling Podcast with Shan Irving and of course

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Speaker 2: Bad Larry. Still driving that trusty old ride. Keep it

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Speaker 2: looking sharp with Mako. From dentse to dings to faded paint,

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Speaker 2: They've literally got you covered. Get a free estimate today.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh, Vetter, get Mako, Michael and Syracuse. Hey Mike,

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Speaker 2: thanks for holding what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 10: Hey Dan?

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Speaker 11: Two thirty nine point nine, How are you good?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 11: Listen. Earlier you guys were talking about Ricky Henderson, about

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Speaker 11: the best of all time. So my question to you is,

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Speaker 11: as a player strictly as a player. My all time

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Speaker 11: favorite players Pete Rose. I don't think there's no question

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Speaker 11: that Pete Rose is better than Ricky Hunderson's.

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Speaker 2: Your comments uh different, But I can't argue with Pete

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Speaker 2: won more games than anybody in history of the game.

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Speaker 2: I think he was an All Star at five different positions.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody in baseball history has been. You'd

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Speaker 2: have to check that, but I think Pete was an

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Speaker 2: All Star at five different positions. Let here's how I

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Speaker 2: would settle this. You take Pete, I'll take Ricky. If

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Speaker 2: you took Ricky, I'd take Pete. Then I'd be fine

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Speaker 2: with that. Larry, and I don't know where that exact

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Speaker 2: that location is. Can you help me with that, Larry?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm in I'm telling you Turkey.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're in Turkey.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, big over here. Oh okay. I can't walk

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Speaker 2: the streets of Turkey. But I'm glad to have you

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Speaker 2: join us.

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Speaker 9: Larry.

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Speaker 10: Hey, top eleven, one seventy five. Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, question, Dan,

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Speaker 10: how long do you think that this money can last?

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Speaker 10: In pro sports and amateur sports? For that another n

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Speaker 10: I owe money WNBA contracts NBA guys getting thirty forty

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Speaker 10: fifty million dollars a year. Where's the money in? Where

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Speaker 10: does it dry up?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if there is a breaking point.

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Speaker 2: It feels like and thank you Larry, it feels like

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Speaker 2: there should be. But I remember when athletes were making

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Speaker 2: a million dollars and then it was Ricky Henderson and

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Speaker 2: I think Nolan Ryan they're making three million dollars. Like

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Speaker 2: there were certain times when you would hear the amount

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Speaker 2: and now I'm just numb to it. Nil what they get. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think there's always going to be a lot of

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Speaker 2: influx of money that you have in college football until

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Speaker 2: they get it professionalized. I think you're still going to

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Speaker 2: have that. There's going to be a few people making

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Speaker 2: a lot of money there. But the NBA is crazy.

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Speaker 2: In five years, you're probably going to have somebody making

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Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars this season because it has to

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Speaker 2: go to somebody because of the new TV deals, there's

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Speaker 2: a financial pie you split up and they can only

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Speaker 2: go to the players. Somebody's going to make a hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars. It'll either be Shay Gilgis or Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 2: They're going to make a hundred million dollars maybe when

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Speaker 2: Ben Yama.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marv Trey Henderson makes about eleven million dollars a

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Speaker 4: year less than Isaiah Hartenstein. M h to set picks

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Speaker 4: in rebound and play hard?

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Speaker 2: All right? Better defensive end or gratty more gutty? Uh

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Speaker 2: Dave in New York, Hi Dave, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 2: Hey Dave? Guess nothing's on your mind? Uh? John Fox

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta?

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Speaker 6: Hi?

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Speaker 8: John, Hey, about a six three one ninety quick question?

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Speaker 8: Notre Dame. When is the madness going to end?

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Speaker 11: That?

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Speaker 8: They don't get to play a conference championship? Last year

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Speaker 8: they got to sit back. They watched my quarterback Carson

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Speaker 8: get hurt and his SEC championship. He sat on the couch,

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Speaker 8: had an easy playoff game. How does this keep happening?

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Speaker 8: I mean ACC is getting stronger. They eat like in

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Speaker 8: Miami and then they can watch Miami lose in a

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Speaker 8: championship and then jump them and get in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Notre Dame's good TV. Never lose sight of that

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Speaker 2: NBC partnership they're in. You know, this is the entertainment business.

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Speaker 2: Having Notre Dame there is good for ratings. Whether you're

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Speaker 2: rooting for them or against them. That's just the fact,

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Speaker 2: you know, whether you like it or not, they have

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Speaker 2: positioned themselves in a unbelievable way that if they go

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Speaker 2: ten and two, they're going to make the playoffs. And

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Speaker 2: now we've expanded the playoffs. Now it's almost like we're

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Speaker 2: going to take conference winners, and of course we're going

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Speaker 2: to take Notre Dame.

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Speaker 4: Yes, morph doesn't Notre Dame joining a conference take away

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Speaker 4: the mistique of being Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Well, if I'm Notre Dame, I don't join a conference.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're just by brand alone. Yeah, like we're

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Speaker 4: not at any conference. We're Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to share anything. If I go to

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Speaker 2: a conference, I got to share. You know, Clemson one's

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Speaker 2: out of the ACC. If I'm Notre Dame, Why do

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Speaker 2: I want in the ACC unless you go, Well, we

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Speaker 2: get an auto birth. If we make we win the

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Speaker 2: playoffs or conference championship, Notre Dame is going to be in.

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Speaker 2: It would be really, really really rare. I'd be really

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Speaker 2: really surprised in the next ten years if Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: is not in the playoffs ten years, because I think

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Speaker 2: they want Notre Dame in the playoffs. Notre Dame is

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Speaker 2: a sure thing of tune in factor, great atmosphere, great history,

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Speaker 2: and you either love them or you hate them. Yes, Marv,

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Speaker 2: they were ranked at owing two. I know, yeah, nobody else.

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Speaker 2: Oh and two was ranked when don't we out at

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame? Is that in three weeks? Spots today? Two

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Speaker 2: weeks today? Is that right, Marvin? We leave on the fourteenth,

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Speaker 2: so two weeks from today we're in sol the yes?

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Accurate.

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Speaker 2: Al Michaels set to join his final hour, Dan and

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Speaker 2: the Dana at Stan Patrick Show