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Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to the

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Speaker 1: Velvet Edge podcast. My guest today are Laana and Terry Kerr,

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Speaker 1: who are the founders of one of my very favorite

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Speaker 1: beauty brands, CEO two Lift. I mean, if you guys

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Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram at velvets Edge, you know that

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Speaker 1: I use these masks pretty religiously and honestly, they are

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Speaker 1: truly the one product that I recommend to my followers

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Speaker 1: when they ask about my skin. So I've worked with

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Speaker 1: Launa and Terror for years now, but today our conversation

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Speaker 1: isn't about the mask. I wanted to talk to them

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Speaker 1: about being black, both Launa in terior or black, and

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Speaker 1: although it's not something I have ever thought about, they

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Speaker 1: felt like a very safe place for me, as a

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Speaker 1: white person to go ask questions about all the things

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Speaker 1: going on right now about racism, about white privilege, about

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Speaker 1: their experience in both life and business. The more I've

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Speaker 1: researched and the more I'm learning, I'm accepting some things

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Speaker 1: about myself on these topics that have come as a

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Speaker 1: huge surprise. UM and I think it's time we all

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Speaker 1: keep getting honest and continue to have these conversations in

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Speaker 1: order to grow. I'm super grateful for Laana and Terry's

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Speaker 1: openness and the grace we were all able to give

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Speaker 1: each other. These topics were not easy for any of

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Speaker 1: us to navigate. Here's our conversation. Okay, So when I

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Speaker 1: was talking to you guys a little earlier, I think

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Speaker 1: that the thing that I have noticed over the past

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Speaker 1: I was looking at all the police brutality, and I

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Speaker 1: this is terrible. And obviously we've been hearing about this

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Speaker 1: of time since this has been happening on a bigger scale,

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Speaker 1: I was just not really tying this into what people

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Speaker 1: are now saying is white privilege, white supremacy, and I

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Speaker 1: was just not thinking about that as even existing in

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Speaker 1: my life. Um, you know, and I actually probably would

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Speaker 1: have told you, like, I don't see color, there's no

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Speaker 1: But what I'm learning is that's kind of part of

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Speaker 1: as black business owners, and just what we as white

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Speaker 1: do long term. So Terry, let's start with you, because

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Speaker 1: I know you grew up in America. You said you

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Speaker 1: grew up in Chicago, right, correct, I grew up in

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Speaker 1: that's a big that has so many implications. What I

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Speaker 1: I you know, in my experience. I don't know anything

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So to term me as an African

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Speaker 1: There's color to me. So that alone starts the whole

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Speaker 1: That's pretty much kind of where I am like, really,

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Speaker 1: school that he goes to is primarily wide or white

429
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: lights get Spanish, you know so well, it's one of

430
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: the largest high schools in the country, but it's also

431
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: very fluent, and of course he's top of his class

432
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: and never ever had a problem in school. I mean, like,

433
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: you don't even come home with a see here, that's

434
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, you're just not trying. His lifestyle mindset are

435
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: where we lived the whole nine yards. And yet when

436
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: this happened, the what we saw saw as the way

437
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: that it was being handled was not being handled in

438
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: a justly and a circumstance based on that particular circumstance

439
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: that was clearly seen um and in Lata's opinion, and

440
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: at the time, the only thing she could come up

441
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: with is like if I went through all the check marks,

442
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: like what did he do wrong other than get up

443
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: that morning and be a black kid? Like what could

444
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: he have done other than run? You could see him

445
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: running down the hallway trying to avoid the fight. I

446
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: guess you could. Or he could stand still and say, listen,

447
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight, Like leave me, I don't

448
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: want to do this. Like what else was he supposed

449
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: to do to prove that he wasn't And so in

450
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: that in her mind, she's like, well, it had to

451
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: be because he was black now in her mind, and

452
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: I think ultimately we come to conclusion it wasn't just

453
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: because he's black. He was black, but the other student

454
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: was also black too. What what I've come to the

455
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: understanding is that it didn't matter you're both black. We

456
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: don't like what's happening, so the easiest thing is just

457
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: to get rid of you. So we'll just send you

458
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: to a repertory school and just you'll learn your lesson

459
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: and you'll know better. But that wasn't justice because he

460
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: one of them was the aggressor for his own reason,

461
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: and it was clear that you know, my son was

462
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: doing his best to not be in this situation, but

463
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: it was unavoidable. So that was the ultimate So was

464
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: anyone purposely doing anything wrong to my son? Purposely to

465
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: him directly because he was black. I say the answers. No,

466
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: I just saw it as the ultimate the system kind

467
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: of relegate. You're not that important. Listen, It's easy for

468
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: me just to do this and just move on with

469
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: the rest of my day. Then the work at the

470
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: justice that you deserve. Because if it was in my thing,

471
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: if and other intertances that have happened when it's their

472
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: white children, that's not how it's handled, you see. So

473
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And you know, and I saw

474
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: a documentary the other day which was very interesting where

475
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: they it was a study done at Yale University when teachers.

476
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: They were told teachers were being their their eye movements

477
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: and all of that was being studied to see how

478
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: they're going to respond. And they told them there was

479
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: a white school. It was preschools preschool kid a black

480
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: and white boy and girl and uh and and yeah,

481
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: two black children and two white children. And they told

482
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: the teachers that this something look for some problems that

483
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: are going to happen, and in the bad behavior and

484
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: in all the instances, the teachers automatically looked to the

485
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: black boy. In fact, when they were showing the results,

486
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: they were very embarrassed because they couldn't. They all felt

487
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: that they weren't prejudiced, but it was just something inside

488
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: of them that made them feel that if someone was

489
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: going to give the problem, it was going to be

490
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: the black boy. So that just tells you it's not even,

491
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: it's not even. We're not aware, it's not conscious. That's

492
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: a part of the system that we're talking about. That

493
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: it's just like it's ingrained into us. And and and

494
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: the truth is none of the kids were doing anything wrong.

495
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: But the point is that if you look hard enough,

496
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: if you look hard enough and long enough, yes somebody's

497
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: going to give a problem. And it's going to be

498
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: that person, whereas all the kids could have. Do you

499
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's the same. You can create

500
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: it by looking for it. And that's what's the that's

501
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: what's the underlying tone. And I but Kelly, I didn't

502
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: want to forget this point because you did ask about

503
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: our business and there has been another I'll give you

504
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: a scenario that you maybe you can understand or you

505
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: may be shocked by it. So when we first got

506
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: into this particular business, um, by the way we've been

507
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: we've been in business for over twenty years together. It's

508
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: a couple like that's a whole another I'm gonna say, Wow,

509
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: that's a whole another podcast for sure. But in this environment,

510
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: there's very few my I'll use the word minority own companies,

511
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: black owned, there's a very few. So in this environment,

512
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, we're competing like every other company to get

513
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: visibility for our products and services that we can add

514
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: value to our customers, and that's you know, we want

515
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: to give our best and we want people to be happy,

516
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: our customers and to spread like everyone else. But when

517
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: we're in this environment contentiously, we've had to make decisions

518
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: that in many of the occasions, we don't even represent

519
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: ourselves as the owner of the business right away. We

520
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: have white people who work for Spanish people work for we.

521
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: It's automatically understood when someone comes into it's just an air.

522
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: When they come to our environment, they assume that we

523
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: work for the other persons, that we're the owners, and

524
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: you just kind of let them go along with that.

525
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: A lot of times, course, of course, because it's not

526
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: a conversation we had at the moment, But the true

527
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: is we have to internalize that a moment in the moment,

528
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: deal with it, because our job is to express the

529
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: benefits that our company is going to bring to the

530
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: potential client, not to create some social conversation at the moment.

531
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: So we're going to we we had to and in

532
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: multiple occasions not make that visible until it's necessary and

533
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: by that point, you know we've made our point. So

534
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: now it's a business decision, not a you know, a

535
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: personal one. But can you imagine that you can't even

536
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: represent yourself because you are going to judge before they

537
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: can even know what you have? No, I mean, actually

538
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't imagine that because I do. I

539
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: do think that is a lot of the ways that

540
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 1: it feels to be a woman sometimes is that you

541
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: you do have some people just make assumptions and or

542
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: they you have to downplay yourself to make other people comfortable,

543
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: and it's weird, it doesn't feel good, right. Those are

544
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: necess completely unnecessary. I agree with you. Well, so moving

545
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: with that, Other than making assumptions and like educating ourselves,

546
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: what do you guys think are ways that we continue

547
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: this growth, in this change, in this this I don't know,

548
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: acceptance almost to where you guys aren't feeling like you

549
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: have to do even small things like that, like you

550
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: can just live your life and be you. What do

551
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: you have? Do you have any sort of suggestions or

552
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: specific things that you could say, especially as a white person,

553
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: that I could do differently. Well from my standpoint, yeah,

554
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: I've given us a lot of thought. I'm not you know,

555
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever hasn't come to a conclusion

556
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: of anything. But one of the things I feel is

557
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: a you know, black Americans, we want to be seen

558
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: as Americans. Okay, we every so every Alana comes, she

559
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, she was raised in Jamaica. There's you know,

560
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: there's you know, people from Ireland, England, there's people from Spain,

561
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: there's people from Germany. They have where they come from.

562
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: That's that's that's well, find acceptable. They feel at home

563
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: in their home because that's where they're from. Well, this

564
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: is our home, this is our home. I am an American.

565
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I want to be treated with all the rights and

566
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: dignity and and and and benefits that be an American means.

567
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: So ultimately, all I want is equality. I want anything more.

568
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't want you giving me anything. I don't want

569
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: you to give me anything. I want to work for

570
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: whatever I can accomplish on my own. I just want

571
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: to be completely equal with the same possibilities that every

572
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: other American who is an American by whether born or

573
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: become a citizen, have the right to be a citizen

574
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: with all the benefits completely period in the story. Just

575
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: let me be equal. The thing is, the thing is, Kelly,

576
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: how do you do that? Was action? Thing? How because

577
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: you think you do it? It's like I think about

578
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: you think about like I think of a show like

579
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: the Voice, think of that, the how that choice based?

580
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: They are They don't even see the contestants their chairs turned.

581
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: They're judging people simply by the tone and the talent

582
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: that they're demonstrating through singing, right, so they can they

583
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: feel that by doing that they can give it on

584
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: biased opinions because if they know turn when when if

585
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: you saw like the American Idol show, they're looking at

586
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: their whole image and that's going to sell. But they're

587
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: looking so if we see first of all, every in

588
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: no race as special black people, white people not special

589
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: black people, not Chinese people are black, yellow people, not much.

590
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: Everyone is just a complicated individual. And if you can

591
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: just take away that and see them for what it

592
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: is underneath and what they do and how they say.

593
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: That is a hard thing to do because you're not

594
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: the voice. You have to turn your chair and you're

595
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: looking at the individual. And people are going to have biases.

596
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: That's just how how it is. I mean in Jamaica,

597
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: I grew up their biases based on a preference of

598
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: complexion or whatever. You you're growing up with a set

599
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: of things, and people identify with people who relate more

600
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: to them. I mean, you could have you know, which

601
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: if if if you know, if you talk to I

602
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: was talking to this this this father the other day

603
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: and he was telling me that he actually favors one

604
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: of his children, his two two children, he favors one

605
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: of them. Can you imagine you cannot tell the purchase,

606
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: You cannot tell the public that he does the same.

607
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: I love people the same, but he has to consciously

608
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: put in his mind where he's giving candy. He's all

609
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna give, you know, he's gonna try and be equal.

610
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: So I think that talking about the mechanics of it, yeah,

611
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: I don't think your nature, this is you. Ultimately, you

612
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: could prefer based on what relates more to you, your

613
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: white person. As you're you're you're more comfortable with white people,

614
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: so you're going to maybe that's going to be innately,

615
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: that's what you're going to prefer. Okay, So what do

616
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: you have to do? Like that parent, you have to

617
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: be fair. You have to consciously say, you know something,

618
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: I am going to be fair to my lesser like child.

619
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: To be fair, so you have to consciously, as an

620
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: individual do that and all of us. I mean, you know,

621
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Terry was saying the other day, the true litmus test

622
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: in the family is who if your son or your

623
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: daughter walked in the door, like in our case, in

624
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: my case, my son walked in with a red hair,

625
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: white woman girl, how am I going to feel? Well,

626
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: the truth is, it's going to be like, what the hell?

627
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: You know? In my head, I have to work around it.

628
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: But because I don't look like me, she doesn't look

629
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: like me. You're just saying, and is gonna be the

630
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: same for you, You're gonna you're gonna I'm just speaking

631
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: generally may not be, but generally speaking, I think that's

632
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: just general human nature. So in order to be fair,

633
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: you're going to need to make a conscious effort and

634
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: just relax and say, you know something, I'm going to

635
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: give this person a fair opportunity. And that's what there's besides.

636
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you individuals can do. White people

637
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: can do. Black people can do it too. But the

638
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: point is that the system is kind of more geared.

639
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: And that's another conversation towards the success of white people.

640
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: That's just simply how the system. I hear from other

641
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: people talking, and I'll hear black people talking on TV,

642
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: and some of them are saying otherwise, and I say

643
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: to myself, are they freaking crazy? Maybe that has not

644
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: been better experience, But if you look at question the

645
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: majority of people, you're going to see that people that

646
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: is generally that's how the system is made. So you

647
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: have to recognize that and make a conscious decision as

648
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: an individual to really be give people a fair chance.

649
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: That's just to grow past it. It's something that we're

650
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to grow past because ultimately everyone has preferences

651
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: and the white and black thing, the white is what

652
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: you're more used to, and that's what you're gonna feel

653
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: more comfortable. That's just the truth. Yeah, and I'll actually

654
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: love that and that story you guys told about the teachers,

655
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: because that just goes to prove how unconscious it is.

656
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: And I think that if what you're saying about, make

657
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: it conscious, think about what you're even what your first

658
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: judgment is, and then fight past it, you know, and

659
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: really get to know whoever it is, or give the

660
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: same opportunities to different races. I think that's a great thing.

661
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Another thing that Terry brought up the other day that

662
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: I just absolutely loved was maybe the fear of if

663
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: we open up, if we make this an equal playing field,

664
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: like the scarcity fear, you know, like maybe there won't

665
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: be as much for white Americans, and so we instinctually

666
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: maybe want to like fight off and say no, no no, no, no,

667
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: no no, we gotta keep things the way they are.

668
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: And you made such a good point because you're like,

669
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: this is an abundant world. There is so much, there's

670
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: enough for everyone. Can you speak to that a little bit? Yes?

671
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: And I think, um, where that idea comes from. Again,

672
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, we we understand that the universe is is

673
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: vast and it's constantly expanding, so there's no lack in

674
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: the universe and in our world. There's no lack within

675
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: our our world that we live in. Now. If you

676
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, you keep boiling down, you go into you know,

677
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: our country, so we know we live in one of

678
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: the most abundant countries, the most successful countries in the world.

679
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: And the idea that there's so much that we all

680
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: have access to and have and should deserve, that we're

681
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: in this together like that goes back to being an

682
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: American if if if it's about America being great, then

683
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: America is only as great as the lowest person in

684
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: the country. We if we can expand and allow one

685
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: to grow, then the whole current. Everybody grows. There's never

686
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: a lack nobody, no one ever has the exact same thing.

687
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: But there's no there's no point of of of purposely

688
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: um shutting down avenues of success for a certain people

689
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: so that this other group can have more. In reality

690
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: there in reality, you're really hurting yourself because unless you expand,

691
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: the less nless you allowed to expand, the less you'll expand.

692
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: And so that goes back to the system. Is it

693
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: a person, Is it a particular person who allows this

694
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: to happen? I don't believe. So we're past all that.

695
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: It's the system that's been infiltrated from the top all

696
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: the way to the bottom that has the scarcity of mentality,

697
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: and that system is running that is affecting all of us.

698
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: Whether we're on one side or the other, or we're

699
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: black or we're white, we all were looking at the

700
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: same system from different points of view, and that abundance

701
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: view is what we want. I think when we see

702
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: that and then we see that we're all in it collectively.

703
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: And then Kelly, look at when there's a crisis, when

704
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: there's a crisis in a country, in a community. In

705
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: this case, we've just seen that we're in the crisis

706
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: right now. Um, but if if God forbid, when if

707
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: and who wants to even think of the w word

708
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: of war? If this country was involved in a war

709
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: that we all had was mandated to be a part

710
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: of right as a country to survive and thrive again,

711
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: would anyone care what color the person is that is

712
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: fighting for the same life that we're trying to protect.

713
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. How do we move from in that

714
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: moment that these and we've been in those times and

715
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: then we come back and we forget it's it's so

716
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what the word, but to speak to

717
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: that key from dimension, you raise the idea of you know,

718
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: you look at yourself as a woman and having to

719
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: to um to kind of sometimes hide that back, even

720
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: in business, if you look at it from that point

721
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: of view, I think that when we recognize that every

722
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: the fact that when women started to get more opportunity

723
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: through the throat, not only this country, but really over

724
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: the world, and which is still continuing to go on,

725
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: is there no a lack because men have allowed women

726
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: to be beside them and there's only an expansion. It's

727
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: only gone better because every one of us have a

728
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: value that we can add. Every one of us have

729
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: a different perspective that we can add. And so therefore

730
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: everyone including white, black, yelled at all, everyone has a

731
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: value that can contribute to the whole and it can.

732
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: It just makes the pie bigger, that's all. So I

733
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: think that if we can, but it starts with education,

734
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: It starts with change, education on both sides. Education, because

735
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, even even blacks have a mentality that black

736
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: sometimes is not good. We sometimes think that something is

737
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: too black if you look at it, even we can

738
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: feel that way sometimes. What so, you know, we need

739
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: to understand we black people are as good or we

740
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: are we are we are there's no, you know that

741
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: we're not less. You know, I think sometimes in the

742
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: psyche you feel you were. No. No one is less.

743
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: We're all equal in God's eyes, and we all have potential.

744
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: But it starts with from your young from the parents

745
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: telling your your children this, from the white people telling

746
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: their white children this, from the black people telling their

747
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: black children this, and then they can see it and

748
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: continue to go and then and hopefully one day things

749
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: will be different. But it's education is changing the psychology

750
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: of everyone, which is going to take time. But the

751
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is it starts with acknowledgement. And

752
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: I think that that's what is taking place right now,

753
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: that recognizing and not hiding blinding yourself. Oh, there's nothing

754
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: it is. And yes I heard the concept to the

755
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: poile say o pea, we have to stop talking about racism,

756
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: and you stopped talking about it, it it won't exist. I

757
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: you know, I believe that things buried alive never die,

758
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: and that what the point. The point is is that

759
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: it was never buried properly. That's why it's still not

760
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: it's still living. So until we can bury it properly,

761
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: then eventually we don't have to talk about racism. We

762
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: don't have to talk about black and white. We just

763
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: talk about the race, the human race, do you understand?

764
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: And that is a total different surject. Yeah, I actually

765
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: think the conversations are extremely important to have. I mean,

766
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: that's what I was telling you, guys, like I just

767
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: did not identify with any of that until I's kept

768
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: reading and kept reating and I was like, wait, I

769
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: just didn't even think about that my experience being different. Um,

770
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: I do think as a white person, I can say

771
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: this sometimes I would like to keep the conversation going,

772
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: but it's a little scary right now, and like we

773
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know exactly the right thing to say. The chance

774
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: to offend seems extremely high right now, and so it's hard.

775
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: You know, you want to say something, but then you're like,

776
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: what do I say? So, is there something that as

777
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: a white American we could say in support of a

778
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: black American right now? Or what is it that you guys,

779
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: what is it what's helpful to hear from us? Well? Well, well,

780
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: first of all, I would I want to say that

781
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that's the case. You you said, what's

782
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the right thing to say? I can't. I don't know

783
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: what's the right thing to say why what the right

784
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: thing is for me to be willing to listen to

785
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: you too? I don't know what you what your point

786
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: of view is and why it is. The point is

787
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: I should be willing to listen to your point of

788
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: view with an open mind, without a preconceived decision and

789
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: the idea prior. So why do you have to now

790
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: think about what you what's right before you can say

791
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: it to me to wonder if I'm going to take

792
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: it right? And then it's it already It already starts

793
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: to stifle to conversation period. Yes, having the freedom and

794
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: right and will to be able to speak your mind

795
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: from your point of view, and then we can then

796
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: begin to see the commonalities more than the differences. Yeah,

797
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: I think though, Kelly, Kelly, that's a valid question, though

798
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what she's saying, because no matter, it's

799
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: very You're gonna be judged based on what you you're

800
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: in the social media. You're gonna judge on what you post,

801
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: what caption you say, what you're what Everyone is looking

802
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: at everyone right now. So it's very difficult to say.

803
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to tell you that too, because

804
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: the point is, after this conversation you posted. You may

805
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: hear people what is hell is she saying? What is

806
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: she talking about? You know, I only speaking from my

807
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: point of view. Everyone has a point of view, even

808
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: within this in our household, and were four of us

809
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: in our household, my husband, myself, my two boys, and

810
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: all of us have a different point of view. You're

811
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: in the same household, so it's very difficult to answer

812
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: that question. All I can say is I appreciate the

813
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: fact that we're having the conversation. I appreciate that you

814
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: have enough courage to even continue or start a conversation

815
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: that speaks. And I think that by continuing to do that,

816
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: by continuing to give opportunity to black owned businesses, it's

817
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: a great thing because they don't necessarily have because one

818
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: of the things is not there is there lack of resources,

819
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: to the lack of resources, the lack of access to capital,

820
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: the lack of access to human capital, which is like you,

821
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: we're blessed to have you in our life and you

822
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: as a part. I feel blessed at that. But but

823
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: black businesses need I think I would say from my

824
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: I like the fact that I have that opportunity, and

825
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: I think by giving more opportunity to people if they

826
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: have a good quality product, that should be the only thing,

827
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: and give them an opportunity to speak, having more of

828
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: those in highlighting or shining a light on that. That

829
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: is what on a business side, what would work? You know?

830
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: And that and that's not that's not a patronizing request

831
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: because we're talking about value. So is when a lot

832
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: of brought the fact about how black people deal with businesses.

833
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: If I'm going to go buy a pair of Nike,

834
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: I can buy it from a store in the black neighborhood.

835
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: I can buy it in a white neighborhood. Well, the

836
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: Tennessee has been that black. When they had the funds

837
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: to do so, they would move more towards the whiter

838
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: stores because it made them feel better for some reason

839
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: to purchase from there. Well, we're trying to say the

840
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: value was there in both both places. Well why can't

841
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: it just why do we have to have this overlooming

842
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: idea that there's something lesser one way or another? Just

843
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: see the value. Yeah, people live on their own value,

844
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: their own word what they're going to contribute. Well, speaking

845
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: of value, I mean, you guys have one of my

846
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: tot beauty products, and we have been working together for years,

847
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: which I feel blessed about two because I'm obsessed with

848
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: your product. So it's a mutually beneficial relationship. But if

849
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: anyone follows me on Instagram and Instagram's at Velvet's Edge,

850
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: you hear me talking about the CEO two mask pretty religiously.

851
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in quarantine. I've been doing a ton

852
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: of them because I was not able to do any

853
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: of my other beauty routine and so it was the

854
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: It's the best at home anti aging, skin perfecting, moisture

855
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: building product that I own, truly, so I would have

856
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: to agree. And we love to hear you talk. That's

857
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: your other baby, huh. And actually, Lana and I have

858
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: done a podcast before talking about both the face mask

859
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: and that also the V mask, which I'm gonna let

860
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: you explain both of the products, but tell me a

861
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: little bit about the business and just give people the

862
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: backstory just so they can understand, um, what this mask does.

863
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: So yes, okay, So the masque basically is the first

864
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: delivery system of CEL two carbon dioxide to the skin

865
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: that involves no pain. So we came upon it. We

866
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: we first first introduced to it through the injectibles, and

867
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: we were looking for a way to be able to

868
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: do this without any pain, and we worked with well

869
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: some scientists had developed this and we license the path.

870
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: The license that technology and we use it in the

871
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: c O two lift. So on the face and the

872
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: upstairs and the downstairs, we'll call it that the stairs.

873
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: We take care of all of them, and we're very happy.

874
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: We're very happy. We have a lot of science behind.

875
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: We have all the clinical show this. So yes, and

876
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: like yourself, Kelly, I was doing a lot of the

877
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: c O two because I was kind of inside my home.

878
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to go and get the procedures. But

879
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: straight of the matter is the c O two lift

880
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: mask is just as effective as doing a laser or

881
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: any kind or laser or radio frequency of the skin.

882
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: It's tightening the skin, is building collagen. But it's also

883
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: one of the key things too that that's not able

884
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: to do. It's hydrating the skin. Yeah, which is very

885
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: important in youth. You know my favorite quote when it

886
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: comes to that, you don't get old, you dry up.

887
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: And this is a way, you know, we can drink water,

888
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: a gallon of water every day, which is actually good

889
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: for our bodies, but it's not necessarily hydrating our skin

890
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: on our face. So this is like an ivy for

891
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: the face. If you want to keep looking firm, your

892
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: skin full of water. Definitely, the CEO to lift mask

893
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: is a way. It's the simplest, most effective way to

894
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: do that, and most affordable way. I was just gonna say,

895
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: I love your analogy because to me, this is exactly

896
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: what happens to my face every time I do this.

897
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: But you talk about how it's like if um, when

898
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: a grape drives up, it looks like a raisin, and

899
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, my skin can start to look like that,

900
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: it can just look dry and dull, and then I'll

901
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: do the mask, and I think your description of it

902
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: turning back into a plump grape is the perfect example

903
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: of exactly what happens. So I always tell that people

904
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: that one. But go ahead, we're gonna talk about and

905
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: then the v you know, the v N. My my

906
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: husband is here. It's one of the best things that

907
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 1: we've had in our relationship because because it has well

908
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, UM, it has real what it has done.

909
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: It just brings back attention to UM, something that you

910
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: use in a very sacred act in a sacred way,

911
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: and it brings back focus and enjoyment in a very

912
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: um just like when you're in when you're in your twenties.

913
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: It brings that back. So it makes that part of

914
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: an intimate relationship very enjoyable, very meaningful, and and it's

915
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: it's done. It's as simply as doing it in the

916
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: privacy of your home, so you know, for you don't

917
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: have to have something wrong with it. It's just just

918
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: as much as you take care of your skin on

919
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: your face, it's it's it's you take care of their

920
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: You're preventing the things that will happen as you get older.

921
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: Of which is which is really decreased you know, lubrication,

922
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, decreased sense, it's ativity, laxity, those things with

923
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: seal to lift v you can get that back. So

924
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: women who just have had children, you know, if you're

925
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: going through like paramountopause, amounopause, if you're just medication can

926
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: affect that area. This very effective and quickly will bring

927
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: it back to you know, youthful functionality. Right. And I

928
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: know yeah, a lot of my friends have had kids

929
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: and they are like, do I need to do vaginal

930
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: rejuven nation, you know, like all of these things go

931
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: through our minds and because our bodies changed so much.

932
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: So I actually have this on my list of things

933
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: to try. I'm very excited about. I'm sure my boyfriend

934
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: will be too, very much, very much so, so if

935
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: you I mean definitely, that is an area that I think.

936
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: And that's another and that's how we know it's not

937
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: a post bowl, right, try to yourself right, but the

938
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: but the your partner will notice the difference. Really, that's interesting,

939
00:52:54,360 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: very interesting. It's outside of his experience and yet he experience, right,

940
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: So good for everyone. I like that. Actually, we've worked

941
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: together so long that I have a code because they

942
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: are so kind to give you guys fifteen percent off

943
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: of all their masks and it's V fifteen and make

944
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: sure if you do go to their website to put

945
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: that in at check out to get that off. Um

946
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: where else can people find you, guys, Well really it's

947
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: c O two lift dot com. CEO to lift dot

948
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: com is where um you're going to find you know,

949
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: the even and even providers who want to definitely carried

950
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: in their practice when they go to CEO too lift

951
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: you have the for professional section is there. But you

952
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: can find you can find information on the mask on

953
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: for the face, the one for the vagina, on vaginal restoration,

954
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: and another product that is well all the products that

955
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: are there. But also I would like to just give

956
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: a shout out to the CEO two lift carboxing Moose,

957
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: which is like, um, if you think about daily conditioner

958
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: for your hair, it's like what that is. And then

959
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: the steel to lift musk is like a deep conditioner.

960
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: So the most the most is very effective as a

961
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: daily use to keep your skin hydrated as well as

962
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: um moisturized and it um it blocks pigmentation as well.

963
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: Oh that's good to know. I always think when I

964
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: think of you guys, I just think moisture, moisture, moisture.

965
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: So if anyone out there is struggling with skin, or

966
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: you're filling dull or sounds like hair, everything, vagina, rejuvenation,

967
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: all of it, this is your product. V fifteen is

968
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: the code Lana Terry. Thank you guys for doing this.

969
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean I think all of us were like, we

970
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: don't know if we want to have this conversation, but

971
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that we did. I feel like it's

972
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: been very helpful to me and I hope for all

973
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: of you listening that we keep having these conversations. I

974
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: just I'm really grateful for you guys for being here today.

975
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: I really really appreciate you having us. Kelly, I really

976
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: appreciate you as a person well what you do, and

977
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: I like your podcast, the information you put out so

978
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: and just even for working with us on with the

979
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: with the products as well. So thank you, thank you,

980
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: thank you, and I thank you as well, Um for

981
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: having the conversation. Is uncomfortable as it can be at times,

982
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: but it's it's something we're forced to look at. So

983
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: let's do our best to grow past this and keep

984
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: being more inclusive and keep expanding everything. And the other

985
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: thing I want to be clear, and I hope your

986
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: your listeners understand, is that you've been working with us

987
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: long before this, and there's many companies just like yours,

988
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: so there are many of us. We're more like a

989
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: minded than we're not. That is true. Sometimes the media

990
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: and things we see we highlight when we see the

991
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: opposite with the fact is we are closer than we

992
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: are than we're a part. Yeah. I love that. That

993
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 1: is so true because we've been in each other's last

994
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: for years now and it's still like I said, it's

995
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: of my very favorite beauty products, so I will always

996
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: support you guys again, thank you for being here, and

997
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening. Let's keep these

998
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: conversations going. Thank you h