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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: What is today Tuesday?

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Speaker 3: I was a little uncertain myself.

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Speaker 4: Thursday game screwed me all up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird we could again, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: all good, all good.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful day out there, Yeah, beautiful day. Just to go

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Speaker 2: over the days news and notes. Mike Tomlin held his

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Speaker 2: press conference earlier today, said that well they'll take a

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Speaker 2: good long look at Broderick Jones again this week at

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Speaker 2: right tackle. Just said that chucksacor for whatever it was

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Speaker 2: that he said on the sideline during that Jaguars game,

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Speaker 2: played a significant role role in him not being the

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Speaker 2: starter at right tackle against the Titans. It must have

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Speaker 2: been really bad.

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Speaker 3: It must have been really bad. I can't do the

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Speaker 3: man a.

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Speaker 4: Short week right put Broderick Jones.

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Speaker 2: Left tackle, right tackle too, Yeah, where.

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Speaker 4: He hadn't played before. It must have been significant.

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Speaker 3: It must have been.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all that's not a character for Chucks core

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Speaker 2: for But.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he has any kind of history or

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Speaker 3: you know, reputation or anything like that. All that aside,

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Speaker 3: I just know Jones has to stay on the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't care how it happens. He needs

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Speaker 3: to be one of the starting five offensive linemen for

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Speaker 3: the rest of the season in my opinion. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think he's turning into a really good player.

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Speaker 2: And the one thing, like Tomlin was asked later in

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Speaker 2: a press conference, you know if Dan Moore, who they've

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Speaker 2: also played some at right tackle in practice, you know,

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Speaker 2: is he a better left Is he a better left

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Speaker 2: tackle than he has a right tackle?

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Speaker 4: And Tomlin said significantly.

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Speaker 3: So okay, so don't move him. I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was very shocked when the news came out,

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Speaker 3: But Sunday morning, Thursday, what makes.

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Speaker 2: Sense to it? Like if you had an injury there,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't move two guys to replace one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought they would though, Like if on two

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Speaker 3: weeks ago, if troops would have got hurt, I thought

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Speaker 3: more would have gone to right, Jones would have went

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Speaker 3: to the left, But apparently not. I was just wrong

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Speaker 3: about that, you know, I mean just and the reason

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Speaker 3: I thought that I was at camp, we saw more

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Speaker 3: lineup at right tackle a little, and we didn't see

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Speaker 3: Jones do it at all. I mean so he's young,

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Speaker 3: he can learn go be the right tackle.

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Speaker 2: He also said something interesting about the decision for Joey

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Speaker 2: Porter Junior to follow DeAndre Hopkins in the game, and

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Speaker 2: he said, Joey came and asked about it, which he said,

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Speaker 2: I liked. I like that aggressiveness, belief in yourself, he said,

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Speaker 2: But it made sense for us because when Tennessee runs

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Speaker 2: the football, they usually run away from Hopkins. Also, when

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Speaker 2: they run screens, they also run screens to the opposite

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Speaker 2: side of Hopkins.

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Speaker 3: I know, Hopkins isn't exactly known as a great practice

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Speaker 3: player blocker. He wants to catch football. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that though, But that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, so it played in that played it.

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Speaker 4: He said.

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Speaker 2: You know, we knew that that Joey wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: be asked to tackle a lot, basically is what he's saying, right,

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Speaker 2: without saying it right, we went our cover guy.

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Speaker 4: Covering, and so that made more sense.

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Speaker 3: So not if we've talked about this, but the knock

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Speaker 3: on Porter besides youth and inexperience, and that's just a question,

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Speaker 3: that's not a knock. He's not a very good tackler

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Speaker 3: like Okay, maybe that's true. But at Penn State, no

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Speaker 3: one ever threw at him, right, I mean he had

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Speaker 3: one game, like the first game of the season where

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Speaker 3: he had like eight targets or whatever.

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Speaker 4: In fourteen it was what I against Purdue.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, yes, you remember better than I do you obviously,

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Speaker 3: and then the rest of the year like no one

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Speaker 3: a bad tackler or not, I haven't seen. I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't know that that's his strength.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it is not. I mean his size and

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Speaker 3: his speed and his cover skills or his strength and

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Speaker 3: his tackling technique could use a little work too. I mean,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know that. Boy, this guy's never going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't know that either. Said that. Mike

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Speaker 2: Thoman also said today they'll see about Montrevius Adams. He'll

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Speaker 2: have an opportunity perhaps to practice this week, probably won't

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Speaker 2: practice early in the week. He also said that they're

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Speaker 2: like you know, Mika Fitzpatrick, They're going to see where

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Speaker 2: that goes this week as well.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, that's great any friarmooth discussion.

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Speaker 2: No, I think he's got one more week, sure, I

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Speaker 2: think so. I think he missed the first game and

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Speaker 2: then they put him on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I can't. I'm not one hundred percent on that either.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 3: I love how Adams is playing. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: he's a valuable dude. But you could stick for Hoko

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Speaker 2: You know Keanu Benton too, well, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean the guy. So I was thinking about Watts and

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Speaker 3: Fohoko who were inactive. Yeah, you know that you could

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Speaker 3: step one of.

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Speaker 2: Them being watched just because he does more.

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Speaker 3: He's the better player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and against this Green Bay team. They just rushed

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Speaker 2: for over one hundred and eighty yards last week against

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Speaker 2: the Rams.

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Speaker 3: They did, I'm sure that's going to be their goal.

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Speaker 3: I mean there they became all of a sudden this time. Well,

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Speaker 3: I guess was one week ago. I mean their head

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Speaker 3: coach Lafloor was talking about we got to get Aaron

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Speaker 3: Jones has to be the foundation and we're going and

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Speaker 3: I'm revved up. And they did. I mean, to their credit,

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Speaker 3: they actually said what they did, what they were going

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Speaker 3: to say. I'm sure, considering the struggles in the passing

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Speaker 3: game and love Jones, is going to get a lot

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Speaker 3: of touches again. Yeah, I mean yeah, it was a

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Speaker 3: season high and touches. That's that's on the horizon again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was pretty much it from the Tomlin

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Speaker 2: press conference. So he did talk about the George pick

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Speaker 2: and stuff. We haven't really touched on that because I

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Speaker 2: don't really care. I don't really apparently Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what I do know is coach Tomlin has a

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Speaker 3: pretty good history of dealing with talented, disgruntled wide outs.

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Speaker 3: You know, if somebody's going to handle the situation, he

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Speaker 3: might be my first round back draft pick to handle

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Speaker 3: such a thing, you know, So there go be so

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Speaker 3: be it, you know, and George. If George is frustrated,

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Speaker 3: I can understand that, George.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Anyways, so I'm sitting around last night, uh watching

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Speaker 2: the game. I got bored because as well, it was

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Speaker 2: started looking at some of the stuff on the ESPN

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Speaker 2: in terms of the analytics stuff that they have and the.

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Speaker 3: Blocking, yeah stuff and blocking to find it again here,

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Speaker 3: But okay, their stats aren't always.

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Speaker 2: Easy to They're not.

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Speaker 3: As bad as NFL dot Com, but they're yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'll find it here.

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Speaker 2: But what what struck me was was I'm looking at there,

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Speaker 2: what was double teams and stats? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the

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Speaker 2: stats on their double teams, and you know, I don't,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not quite sure what they consider a

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Speaker 2: double team after looking.

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Speaker 3: At this, Yeah, you texted me, and I've been thinking

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Speaker 3: about it too, Like, I mean, from what I've seen

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Speaker 2: In there there there, pass, rush, slash, run, stop blocking,

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Speaker 3: It's an line thing, it's a d line thing.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking here at their double team guys.

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Speaker 3: They break it into the tackles and basically defensive ends,

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Speaker 2: Have a here team win rate. They got all kinds

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Speaker 2: of stuff in here, and I'm looking at the individual

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Speaker 2: stuff with double teams.

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Speaker 4: And they had t J.

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Speaker 2: Watt being double team fifteen percent of the time this season.

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Speaker 2: They had Alex Heighsmith being double team sixteen percent of

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Speaker 2: the time this season. I'm like, that doesn't that doesn't

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Speaker 2: match up with what I've seen on the field.

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Speaker 3: I watch every game intently and rewatch it, and I

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Speaker 3: don't think that's true. And so the nature you brought

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Speaker 3: that up and I'm like, that's a good question because

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Speaker 3: not to put words in your mouth, but seemed like

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Speaker 3: the nature of your text was, are you quote doubled

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Speaker 3: if a tight end chips you and then a running

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Speaker 3: back chips you, and then I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think they're counting that. I don't think they're counting

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Speaker 3: Seem that'd be so hard for edge guys, Like how

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Speaker 3: often does no matter who you are off the edge,

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Speaker 3: never on the inside shoulder of the tackle.

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Speaker 2: I think in some case, maybe with the Steelers without

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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward, you have some situations where the tackle's kicking

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Speaker 2: out and the guard is kicking out as well. The

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Speaker 2: double team high Smith. Again, I'm just guessing on this.

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Speaker 3: I'm really curious you have it up. So who's like

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Speaker 3: what personal care who? But who's the highest percentage of

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Speaker 3: edge guys?

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Speaker 4: Well, who do you think?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's Garrett, it's Miles Garrett, but

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Speaker 2: what percentage is it?

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to find it here that.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't say if wat's only at like sixteen and

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Speaker 3: seventeen for the Steelers. Guys, if Garrett's at twenty and

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Speaker 3: that leads a league, that's still too low. He's getting

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Speaker 3: more attention than that.

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Speaker 2: Everything. It's way higher than that. Oh okay, yeah, higher, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's one of the stats at the Cleveland people always

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Speaker 2: throw out there, Well, he gets more double teams than

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Speaker 2: anybody else. You can't tell me the TJ. Watt has

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Speaker 2: only been double team fifteen percent of his past rush

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Speaker 2: is It's just not true. It's just not true, right right,

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Speaker 2: In fact, most of the time he's triple teamed.

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Speaker 3: If you define a double team as TJ touches somebody

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Speaker 3: in the other.

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Speaker 2: Color jersey, it's not a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Oh here, here it is?

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Speaker 3: It should be at like seventy.

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Speaker 4: Where's it at here?

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Speaker 2: Interior team win, that's team double till. That's run stuff.

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Speaker 2: Why did they make this so hard? Why are they

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Speaker 2: offensive tackle?

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Speaker 3: But I mean, even to your point, high Smith versus

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Speaker 3: Watt isn't the same.

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Speaker 2: So Miles Michael Parsons is at twenty nine percent, Miles

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Speaker 2: Garrett's at thirty one percent.

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Speaker 3: I still think those numbers are low for them, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but then.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking here, what at fifteen percent and sixteen percent

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Speaker 2: for Alex Highsmith, but don't pass the eye test either.

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Speaker 4: He's not getting doubled more than what.

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Speaker 3: No, Like, I have not watched every Miles Garrett snap,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that would make more sense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Which would lead the double teams.

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Speaker 3: They would they would lead to double teams. But that's

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Speaker 3: like one of the only ways an edge could have

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Speaker 4: That's what they're considering here.

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Speaker 2: There's more the stunting stuff, in which case they don't

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Speaker 3: They can't because there's no way Garrett is only at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely not.

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Speaker 4: It's at least fifty.

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Speaker 3: So that has to be it, because like how many

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Speaker 2: I mean, the only guy on this the only people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't add up.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me that that or Oker Wonkuo, however you

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Speaker 2: say his name for Cleveland, he's being double team the

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Speaker 3: How do you how do you have two in the

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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Does nobody block the detail?

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Speaker 2: Apparently nobody. Yeah, nobody, nobody bought, Nobody blocks anybody else

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Speaker 3: That must be more of a scheme thing than anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking here to see if there's any any

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Speaker 3: I said, Carroll two Cowboys. Is Lawrence on there?

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Speaker 2: Uh? He's not, no, okay, I mean Eagles Like sweat

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Speaker 2: there's two Houston guys on here. Will Anderson is getting

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Speaker 3: It must be more scheme in alignment than anything.

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Speaker 3: They're double team with three dudes, three dudes.

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Speaker 2: Three dudes, Like like Collins is on here sixty one

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Speaker 2: Just wonder again, is this much? Is this like? Is

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Speaker 2: that is there anybody from Cleveland on here? No, I

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Speaker 3: But how can multiple people do that? I mean, it

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Speaker 2: So Javon Hargrave is being double team sixty percent of time,

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Speaker 3: I would think it's even higher.

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Speaker 2: I would think it's yeah, you're double you're not leaving

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Speaker 3: Right, Like what's Chris Jones or Donald like the Jones.

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Speaker 2: Chris Jones leads the league in No, he's not, he

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Speaker 2: doesn't lead the league. He's at seventy one percent. Grady

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean he's clear true nose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's no way. Again, we saw Browns or Steelers. The

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Speaker 2: So Eric Armstead with San Francisco double team sixty percent

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean Armstead's listed as an end, but he's

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Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't add up that these guys are

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Speaker 4: But others all.

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Speaker 3: The ends are too low. Yeah, all the ends. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you could convince me Garrett's getting doubled more than what

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe five guys aren't there are maybe, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Not high, Smith's not. Smith's not He's just not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just like a coverage or a defense, you

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Speaker 2: What Max Crosby's at twenty three percent. Now you should

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Speaker 3: Same, Right, he should be number one.

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Speaker 2: He should be You can triple team him every game.

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Speaker 3: And Donald Donald should be number one too, because there's

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Speaker 2: Well, it's much easier to double team an interior guy.

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Speaker 3: It's a garden center.

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Speaker 2: All the guys who are high on this list, you know,

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Speaker 2: Quinn Williams is a seventy percent Well, yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Or he's trying to split the B gap,

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I mean Vida vey As at sixty

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Speaker 3: The edge ones don't make any sense at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And even even saying well min Is Miles Garrett kicks

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Speaker 2: It's not enough to get to make it thirty one percent. No,

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Speaker 2: he's not being doubled twice as much as t J. Watt.

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Speaker 2: It's not like I refuse to believe that.

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Speaker 3: No, And he's not being double team three out of

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Speaker 3: ten snaps. He's way higher than that. Maybe three out

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Speaker 2: Right, I think there, I think that I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just and I would define him. If a back

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Speaker 3: Goes out, that's two guys, two guys that they've assigned

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Speaker 4: It should be one hundred damn percent.

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Speaker 3: It should be like it's going to be way closer

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Speaker 2: I know it is. For what Definitely, it's it's.

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Speaker 4: It's got to be ninety plus percent of the time

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Speaker 3: Does not just have a clean one on one him verse.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Nobody does that.

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Speaker 3: they still don't.

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Speaker 2: the Browns fans love the trumpet, well, you know, Miles

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Speaker 2: Garrett's getting these sacks and he's done. He's double team

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Speaker 2: more than anybody else in the league. No, he's not.

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Speaker 3: He might be.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't trust that.

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Speaker 3: No, I say, and candiates anybody to be.

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Speaker 2: He's not because all these interior defensive linemen are and

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I mean.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the points who's better Garrett or what

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Speaker 3: I think the point is.

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Speaker 2: But that's one of the things. That's one of the

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Speaker 2: things that the Cleveland fans us to, Oh he gets

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Speaker 2: doubled more than what. No, you don't know that you

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Speaker 2: can It's not true, right, It's simply not true. Looking

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Speaker 2: at these numbers, there's no way that these numbers are right.

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Speaker 3: There's no way none. I mean, unless they define it

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Speaker 3: in a dumb way that it has to beat an

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: The only time TJ. Watt is not doubled on a

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Speaker 2: pass play is if it's all right, we'll just get

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Speaker 2: get it and throw get it, you know, wide receiver screen.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that would be about it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, catch and throw. Yeah. So does it add

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Speaker 3: up that it would be if the definition is too

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Speaker 3: offensive linemen? Could we get the seventeen percent or fifteen percent?

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Speaker 3: I suppose maybe you know, you fan heavy and he

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Speaker 3: tries to beat the tackle to the inside and.

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Speaker 4: That's when the guard gets a hand on him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that has to be the way it's defined.

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Speaker 2: It has to be.

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Speaker 3: And that makes no sense. I means, like tackles and

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Speaker 3: like tight ends and running backs do no matter.

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Speaker 5: There's only five blockers right right right, So that I

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Speaker 5: mean that really just says the running back and tight

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Speaker 5: ends that spend all day trying to get this guy

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Speaker 5: blocked have no value.

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Speaker 2: And if I bring my my blocking tight end in

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Speaker 2: and I always put him on the right side and

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Speaker 2: he doesn't go out in the past pattern. He's, in fact,

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Speaker 2: basically an extra offensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: Teacher, Right, you bring in Marcedes Lewis who runs like

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Speaker 3: us and might be older than us, and all he

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Speaker 3: does is block? What's the difference? And frankly, even if

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Speaker 3: it's Kelsey, I mean, if it's the best tight end

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Speaker 3: in the league or McCaffrey and they put a hand

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Speaker 3: on what or Garrett or whoever, that's a double.

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Speaker 2: That's a double?

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Speaker 3: Right? And how many people on offense did you dedicate

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Speaker 3: to getting this guy blocked?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Because often it would be three for a lot of

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Speaker 3: these guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean you're not leaving. I mean again,

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Speaker 2: if you left Max Crosby one on one, according to

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Speaker 2: the seventy seven percent of the time you should be

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Speaker 2: on you, you shouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Off right, Right, why on earth would you ever do that?

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Speaker 2: They got nobody else, They.

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Speaker 3: Got nobody else, right, I mean he gets double. I

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Speaker 3: bet he's number one. I mean, it wouldn't shock me

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Speaker 3: with Cares number one, because seems we should be.

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Speaker 2: Here's where it makes more so. Jadavian Clowney's on this

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Speaker 2: list at twenty seven percent.

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Speaker 3: Because he goes inside, because he's inside. Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: has to be that he's a bull rush guy. He

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Speaker 3: doesn't win with speed off the edge. The dudes of

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Speaker 3: are speed rushers that win to the outside shoulder of

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Speaker 3: the tackle more often than not, are going to be low. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which makes no sense. Yeah, like you said, Reddick was

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Speaker 3: like it's seventeen or eighteen.

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Speaker 2: He's an eighteen percent. Like nobody ever double teams saw

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Speaker 2: on Reddick one because he's I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 2: his style of rusher. I mean, he's a west speed

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Speaker 2: ball off right.

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Speaker 3: He runs a four to four, but he led the

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Speaker 3: league in sacks last year. You think they're just going

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Speaker 3: to double team eighteen percent of the time.

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Speaker 2: Say Brian Burns at seventeen percent, Now the guy, why

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Speaker 2: would you why would you not double team Brian Burns?

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Speaker 2: He's all they got.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that adds up. I mean then it's it

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Speaker 3: means to me, it's a dumb metric. It needs reevaluated.

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Speaker 2: There's just there's your key Steeler fan. So when when

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Speaker 2: Browns fans come at you on Twitter, yeah, tell them

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Speaker 2: it's a BS argument because they only count offensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: Because what versus Garrett. Garrett's obviously the bigger human being

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Speaker 3: it's probably got thirty pounds on what. Well, the bigger

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Speaker 3: guys are going to be higher on this list. It's

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Speaker 3: Armstead versus Bosa right to some.

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Speaker 2: Degree, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're they're going to be the guys that

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Speaker 3: come through the B gaps and A gaps one.

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Speaker 2: I mean Samson ebucon is it eighteen percent? Do we

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Speaker 2: really think that that he's being double team more than TJ.

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Speaker 3: More than what or Burns or other higher You're.

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Speaker 2: Right, Bryce Huff is at sixteen percent, the same amount

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Speaker 2: as TJ.

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Speaker 5: WA.

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Speaker 3: See that's kind of interesting because Bryce Huff is the

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Speaker 3: ultimate one trick pony. He's like two hundred twenty pounds right, Like,

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Speaker 3: he is not going to bull rush a guard ever,

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Speaker 3: but he's super efficient coming off the edge, and he's

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Speaker 3: a specialist. He's a closer, He's Dibble, he's Eckersley. So

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Speaker 3: they all know he's coming. He must get a ton

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Speaker 3: of running back in tight end chips because all he

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Speaker 3: does is rush.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: And but he never would against two offensive linemen because.

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Speaker 4: Because he's not going to the inside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is he's speed?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, So there's your argument, folks, throw that out

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Speaker 2: there the next time you see that ridiculous double team rate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like Frankly, Brown's fans, if you come with that,

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Speaker 3: I would answer with, but he's only being doubled thirty

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Speaker 3: percent of the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why why isn't he getting way more sex?

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Speaker 3: And then I would assume Browns fans be like, well,

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Speaker 3: that's he's getting doubled more than thirty. I've watched every

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Speaker 3: step of blows Garrett. Okay, he is, as is everybody

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Speaker 3: on that list.

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Speaker 2: did some DVOA stuff yesterday from FTN Fantasy and I

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Speaker 2: wanted to look at their updated playoff odds since we

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Speaker 2: got the midway point of the season today. So halfway

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Speaker 2: through the season, the AFC North breaks down like said,

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Speaker 2: like this, Okay.

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Speaker 3: You got the I don't I don't envy there. I

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Speaker 3: know it's just a formula, but I don't envy trying

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Speaker 3: to decipher this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all right, the AC uh So you get

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Speaker 2: the Ravens at seven and two. Then you've got the Steelers, Browns,

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Speaker 2: and Bengals all at five and three. So according to this,

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Speaker 2: what does this go through?

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Speaker 3: Please? The chances to win a division of the off

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Speaker 3: the bat here.

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Speaker 2: Chances to win the division for each team. So Baltimore

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Speaker 2: leads the way at seventy six point two percent.

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Speaker 3: Okay, again, this isn't their opinion. This is just a formula.

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Speaker 3: This is what Yeah, I think that's high.

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Speaker 2: I think it is too conserting. If they're only got

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Speaker 2: they only have a two game lead for everybody else.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're I think they obviously should

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Speaker 3: be the leader in the clubhouse. But if I could

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Speaker 3: get three to one odds on the field versus Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: I'm betting the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got Cincinnati at seven point four.

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Speaker 3: Percent, Okay, I would take the over on.

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Speaker 4: Them, Cleveland at eight point four percent.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I guess there's only twenty five percent to

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Speaker 3: divvy up between the three ten and.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers at eight percent.

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Speaker 2: So according like exactly the same, almost right. Yeah, according

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Speaker 2: to this, the Steelers have a better chance. That's it

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Speaker 2: adds up to one hundred percent because somebody has to

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Speaker 2: win it. The Steelers have a better chance as we

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Speaker 2: sit here today to win a division in the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't agree with that. The Bengals schedules harder.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that. So they think that the Browns,

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Speaker 2: according to their metrics and everything that they're on their computer,

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Speaker 2: have a better chance to either Cincinnati or Pittsburgh to

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Speaker 2: win the division.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure to take the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: My hunch is they all the same record, So upcoming

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Speaker 3: schedule is probably going to weigh heavier than just about

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Speaker 3: anything I assume has something to do with how well

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Speaker 3: you're playing lately. I mean, because the Bengals body of

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Speaker 3: work doesn't accurately, accurately depict what they are right now,

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Speaker 3: and really no team does, but they're like the best

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Speaker 3: example in the league of that. And I mean, I

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Speaker 3: guess I get that, But I would bet on the

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Speaker 3: Browns everyone but.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens at those odds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, if it was fifty to fifty, if a

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Speaker 3: dollar paid a dollar and you got the Ravens or

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Speaker 3: the field, where would you go. I think I'd take

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Speaker 3: the Ravens. Pay three to one, then I'll take the field,

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Speaker 3: right right.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, especially considering what's happened to the Ravens the

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Speaker 2: last two years. Well true, likely there was an instant

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Speaker 2: a situation in Sunday's game. Lamar ran with the ball,

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Speaker 2: stepped up in the pocket and went to take off.

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Speaker 2: It was a short yardist thing and got the ankle

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Speaker 2: twisted under him and came up limping.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, yeah, right right.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're just seeing quarterbacks drop all over the league.

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Speaker 2: This is the problem.

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Speaker 4: When your quarterback runs like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it puts you in more harms way, of course,

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately all four of those teams, the chances of

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Speaker 3: all four of those teams having their current starting quarterback

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Speaker 3: go from now until the end is very unlikely.

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Speaker 2: Well the Browns have already Well I've not done.

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Speaker 3: So I get it. I'm just saying like, from here

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Speaker 3: on out, chances are those four dudes are not going

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Speaker 3: to start every game.

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Speaker 4: So looking at the.

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Speaker 2: Actually Cleveland's it's Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: It's at seven point four percent.

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Speaker 2: They're lowest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they would be lower in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I messed that up because I had to scroll over.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't see Yeah, gotcha screen.

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Speaker 3: So that makes it like I think since he's a

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Speaker 3: better chance to win it than the Browns or Steelers

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Speaker 3: for that matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the Steelers are a better chance

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Speaker 2: to win it than the Browns do. And that will

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Speaker 2: change considerably because Baltimore plays Cleveland this week in Baltimore.

664
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: That would be a huge one, huge one.

665
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: What would you be rooting for in that situation if

666
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: you're as a Steeler fan? What do you want to

667
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: happen there? Do you want Cleveland to lose in Baltimore

668
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: to win again, or do you want do you want

669
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: Baltimo more to lose so that you can perhaps get

670
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: a game closer.

671
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: I guess you have to look at it this way.

672
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: Is the division win attainable for the Steelers on November seventh?

673
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: I think it still is. So I think you're root

674
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: against the king, you.

675
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: Know, whoever's in first right now.

676
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean if you think there's still a chance,

677
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: like if it's a month from now and you're like,

678
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: we're still two games back and I don't as much

679
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: time to get there, blah blah blah, then I think

680
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: you want your competition to fall off, you know, to

681
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: leave town. Yeah, but at this point, I think you

682
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: want the division leader to lose. Okay, you on board

683
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: with that, I think.

684
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: So the big real the big thing is is that

685
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: Baltimore is two and one in the division and they've

686
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: played all three of the road games. They won in Cleveland,

687
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: they won in Cincinnati, they lost in Pittsburgh.

688
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: So that that's a nice feather in their caps.

689
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Or you could look at it this way. You want

690
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: Baltimore to keep winning and then maybe that Week seventeen

691
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: game doesn't mean anything. That's why because the Steelers play

692
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: there in week seventeen.

693
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, if anyone division is resting starters at the end

694
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: of the year, it'll be Baltimore. Right, there's no way

695
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: that Steelers or Browns are getting the point where like, ah,

696
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: we don't need this one.

697
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: No, right, I mean that's not going to happen.

698
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see that happen, right, And where since

699
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: he's at considering Cincinnati certainly has a couple more losses

700
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: ahead of them. Yeah, well, they all do.

701
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: And they've already got three conference loss.

702
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: And they already have they've already doug a little bit

703
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: of a hole.

704
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

705
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: So but if like the Bengals and Browns were playing,

706
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: I would want the Browns to win.

707
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: I think they're yeah, because team.

708
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right, right right, I hear you. Okay, So what

709
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: are the Steelers' chances of going to the playoffs? Pretty strong?

710
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: Pretty strong? Not just so here's where it gets.

711
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: Funky, Like they're in the NFC.

712
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: I bet it be like seventy The steelers chances to

713
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: win the division are higher than Cleveland's, but Cleveland's chances

714
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs are at sixty two point two percent,

715
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: whereas the Steelers are at fifty four percent.

716
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: And the Steelers beat them head to head and.

717
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: The Steelers have a head to head win against them,

718
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: does that matter? And the Steelers have the easier schedule

719
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: moving forward?

720
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I should know this. But if the Browns

721
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: and Steelers end with the same record, and say a

722
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: third team in the AFC does for the final, while.

723
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: You break the first you break the tie between the

724
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: two teams, you break the first tie if you can

725
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: with head to head, head to head, if you can

726
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: eliminate that way. That's why right now the Steelers are.

727
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: They're in the five spot. Where they were they were

728
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: over Buffalo going in the Sundays game. The three teams

729
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: were tied, but Buffalo or Cleveland got lost the tiebreaker

730
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: because they had lost the head to head game to

731
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: the Steelers, so they got eliminated and it came down

732
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: to Buffalo or Pittsburgh.

733
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: The vision record doesn't matter for wild card.

734
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: No, that's what conference. Head to head and conference.

735
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But what if there's three

736
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: teams tied and two of them played and two didn't.

737
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: You still eliminate somebody?

738
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so if it's Brown Steelers, they're a better question

739
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: to be like, say it's Jagged Steelers. Somebody you only

740
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: gonna play once.

741
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: Well, then you got a head to head.

742
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: And Jags beat them, so the Steelers will be on

743
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: the short end, gotcha.

744
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why the Jacksonville victory or loss, while

745
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: damaging for your AFC and your overall AFC record, they're

746
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: going to win the AFC South. You're not going to

747
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: get into a wild card situation against them.

748
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: Right unless Houston gets crazy, which I don't think they can.

749
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: I don't think they can get to Jacksonville.

750
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, or you lose the head to head the Houston.

751
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: Lost, So actually the Houston loss hurts you more than

752
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: the Jacksonville correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, correct, because I think

753
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: Houston has a chance at the playoffs still.

754
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: So anyway, so looking at the if you want to

755
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: look at that, Houston right now has a twenty three

756
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: point seven percent chance their mean wins for the season

757
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: because they also.

758
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: Do this so and that changes every week.

759
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the mean wins right now is Baltimore get

760
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: to twelve point six wins, which is huge.

761
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: It's a big number because like if Aaron Shots are

762
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: sitting here right now, he'd be like it w wasn't

763
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: call it a flaw, but their meme win stuff almost

764
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: it basically never has a fourteen and three team, a

765
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: fifteen and two team. They're all real too close to

766
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 3: the middle. But if you look at it through that lens,

767
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: you see still you're still number one, You're still number

768
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: thirty two whatever, Right, but we all know, I bet

769
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 3: Baltimore is the highest MEME wins of anyone in the league.

770
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: Twelve point six.

771
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: I can look at it and I bet that somebody

772
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 3: ends up with more than twelve or thirteen wins this year.

773
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: Detroit Detroce at twelve point one. Philadelphia is a twelve

774
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: point seven but they've only got one loss, right now?

775
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so again, nobody's projected even to be a

776
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: thirteen win team.

777
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: It's Kansas City. Kansas City's at twelve point six as well.

778
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 3: So, and I mean, I'll bet everything I own somebody's

779
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: will win thirteen games this year. Yeah, Philly is one loss,

780
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: right yeah?

781
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, So then you get Cincinnati at ten point two, okay,

782
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: Cleveland at ten point one, and then Pittsburgh at nine

783
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: point seven.

784
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 3: Which is doesn't seem like a gap, but it's a

785
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: pretty decent gap when you realize that there's not going

786
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: to be a fourteen one on there and a two

787
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: on there, you know.

788
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: Just looking at the rest of the AFC.

789
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Here, Miami's at eleven jeams high, but okay, Buffalo's at

790
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: nine point eight, so slightly ahead of Pittsburgh. The Jets

791
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: are at seven point nine, which is there's no way

792
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: that's happening. I don't think so. And then New England's

793
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: at five point three. There's no way that's happening. It's

794
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: really low too, right, I mean they got two right

795
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: now too. They have to win three more games this year,

796
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: and that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

797
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: They have a tough schedule too. I don't know if

798
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: they win their division game.

799
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: Jacksonville is a eleven point three, Houston's at eight point two,

800
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: Indianapolis is at seven point nine, Tennessee's at seven point four.

801
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

802
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: Kansas City's at twelve point six.

803
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: To Tennessee getting the seven point four is low too, yeah,

804
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: but they're one of low. This one's on here.

805
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: The Chargers are at eight point nine. This is after

806
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: last night.

807
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 4: Vegas is at six point nine.

808
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: Maybe they've got three now, yeah, yeah, maybe they get

809
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: three or four.

810
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 4: And then Denver's at six point four.

811
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: Okay, no, I mean those numbers aren't crazy to me.

812
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: I don't know that the Steelers would be should be

813
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: last in their division, but I also don't know what.

814
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: Nine point seven would put you as the second best team.

815
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: Let's let's look at the.

816
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: NFC situation here. So in the NFC East, you got

817
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: Philadelphia at twelve point seven, Dallas at ten point seven,

818
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: Washington at seven, the Giants at four four four, that's

819
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: gotta be the lowest. Okay, NFC North, you've got Detroit

820
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: at twelve point one, Minnesota at eight point one, Green

821
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: Bay at seven point three, Chicago at four point nine.

822
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 2: So so far, it was only three NFC teams ahead

823
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: of the Steelers. Yeah, New Orleans is at ten point one.

824
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: They have the easiest schedule rating.

825
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: They're five and four right now. They would have to

826
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: go five and three in the second half to get

827
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: to and they're not very good. They not that good.

828
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: Atlanta is at seven point nine. The description is that

829
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: big between those two. Yeah, Tampa Bay's at six point nine.

830
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Remember they started three and oh they've lost five in

831
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: a row. Now, I remember when people early in the season, well,

832
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they might be good bakers. They're not.

833
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: They're not.

834
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 4: Caroline is at three point eight.

835
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: That's the lowest. That's just as far.

836
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 2: But we haven't gotten to the NFC West yet, right Uh.

837
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: San Francisco's at eleven, Seattle's at nine point three. Okay,

838
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 2: the Rams are at six point one. They're three and six.

839
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: Right now, there's six point one, and then Arizona's three

840
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: point seven. So that is the lowest clo.

841
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but now Kyler comes back. Maybe I guess that's

842
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: not saying.

843
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: They Jonathan Gannon kind of he said if he he said,

844
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: if he looks okay this week in practice.

845
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: So I guess that the jury's not one hundred percent

846
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 3: on that. So from what I recall, the Steelers would

847
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: have been sixth highest in the NFC, maybe seven, I

848
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: think it was seven seven, Yeah, six six, Dallas, Philly, Detroit, Saints,

849
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: which was shocked to me in San fran Seattle, so

850
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: they would have been the seventh highest win total. The

851
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: Saints schedule is really crazy easy.

852
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, as it is right now, they have the eighth

853
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: highest win total in the AFC. Yeah, yeah, but they

854
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: had point one behind Buffalo, but they.

855
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: Still have over a fifty chance to go to the playoffs. Yeah, okay,

856
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: I guess this depends who you win and where you

857
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: get those wins.

858
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Right as we sit here now there they're in the

859
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: five spot. They've been in the five spot now like

860
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: the last three weeks.

861
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: Like they've You better beat the Colts.

862
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: You gotta beat the Colts. Yeah, you got you gotta

863
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: win this game against green Bay. You got to beat

864
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: the Colts. You got to beat the Patriots at home.

865
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: You have got to beat well, Patriots and Colts really

866
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: shows up.

867
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: You gotta beat Arizona.

868
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: Like Arizona and Green Bay a games you should win.

869
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: And of course we got to win those, but they

870
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 3: don't kill you as much as.

871
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: You got to beat the Patriots and Colts.

872
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Patriots and Colts are super important.

873
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: And then you steal one somewhere else in your.

874
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 3: Ten steal on the division or whatever.

875
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

876
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So side note, this is mostly unrelated in my

877
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 3: Green Bay work so far in terms of EPA, which

878
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 3: balances with the va A most identically is the green

879
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: Bay as bad as they've been, they've played the second

880
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: easiest schedule in the league. Yeah, and that doesn't even

881
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: account for like Stafford not playing last week. I mean

882
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: just in terms of the teams they've played second easiest.

883
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: That's why they got three wins right now, Yeah, because exactly.

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Speaker 3: And they have this unbelievable block of teams missing field

885
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: goals against them. Yeah, six six already six field goals. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's twenty two six.

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Speaker 4: We've seen one field goal miss and a Steeler in.

888
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Speaker 3: A steel game, right, so they're not very good sixty

889
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Speaker 3: one years after a stupid penalty.

890
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Speaker 2: Anyways, we're gonna get through another break. He is Matt Williamson.

891
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Speaker 2: I am Dale, Allie, you're listening to the right here

892
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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio.

893
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Speaker 4: We'll be back with more right after this.

894
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: Let's go play some ball.

895
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Speaker 1: Always talking Black and Gold football on SNR. At least,

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Speaker 1: he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt

901
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Speaker 2: Just some news and notes here from around the league.

902
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz finally has a home.

903
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been making fun of him the last couple

904
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Speaker 3: of weeks, like how bad must he be? Or how

905
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Speaker 3: bad a teammate.

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Speaker 4: He's not worse than Brett Rippe.

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Speaker 2: I think that was the bottom line, who started last

908
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: week against the Packers and was awful. Wentz is now

909
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: signed to be the backup with the Rams. They're on

910
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Speaker 2: a buy this week, so they get some time to

911
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Speaker 2: give him into the fold here.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if Stafford's played or not after

913
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: the buye. I mean I would assume, I mean, he

914
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: was questionable this week. I would think he's good enough

915
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Speaker 3: to go in two weeks.

916
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Speaker 2: But they wanted better, like that was not even tells

917
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Speaker 2: you what they thought of the Packers, Like we weren't

918
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Speaker 2: even competitive. That's what rippy and against that team, that's

919
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: a team we should beat.

920
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet McVeigh looked at that game like we

921
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: just were inept against a bad football team. I can't

922
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Speaker 3: roll out with that guy again. I'll take door number

923
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Speaker 3: two with at least a talented dude. I mean, he's

924
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 3: haid Baker Mayfield last year and got stuff out of him,

925
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: you know, you know, talented former early picks.

926
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Carson Wentz has a home. I wonder if

927
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Speaker 2: that had anything to do too with they looked at

928
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Speaker 2: it and go, we got to sign this guy before

929
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Speaker 2: somebody else does.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that he has they lasted this long

931
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: unless people kept calling him. He's like, I don't want

932
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Speaker 3: to be a Giant.

933
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Speaker 2: I don't want to be a car where we wanted

934
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Speaker 2: more money than they were willing to pay.

935
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Speaker 3: Whatever, or maybe there's an injury we don't know about. Yeah,

936
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I thought he should have been

937
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Speaker 3: employed long ago.

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Speaker 2: No surprise here, but the Titans have named Will Levis

939
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Speaker 2: their starter. Yeah, Tanny Hill's going to be the backup. Now.

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Speaker 3: I had a slight concern that Drabel wouldn't do that,

941
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: but it's clearly the right move. Yeah, they had to

942
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: yeah quickly on and to throw out you real quick.

943
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Speaker 3: Why the trade deadline's coming gone? Yes, it's way too

944
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: early for me, you know, like a lot of those

945
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: teams at the trade deadline don't know if they're a

946
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Speaker 3: contender or not. You know, like the Giants can't even

947
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: go trade for Jameis Winston right now, you know, and

948
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 3: the season's only had were right at the halfway point.

949
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: I think that should be later than this, I know,

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Speaker 3: six weeks right, right, I.

951
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Speaker 2: Don't I don't have a problem with it.

952
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: I mean, trades are fun there.

953
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Speaker 2: They might be fun, but it's no fun league, and

954
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: it's what's what they do. I mean, it's been It

955
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Speaker 2: took forever to get it changed, from week six to

956
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Speaker 2: weeks No.

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Speaker 3: I mean I lobbied for a way back the week nine.

958
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that it's going to get pushed

959
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: back any farther. I don't know that coaches like trades.

960
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think they do. Necessarily, be honest with you,

961
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Speaker 3: they don't want to somebody.

962
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to put this on.

963
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: A moving train.

964
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Speaker 2: And that means that means my we trade for a

965
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Speaker 2: wide receiver, so my wide receiver coach has to spend

966
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Speaker 2: all week long working with that dude to get him

967
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Speaker 2: ready to play exactly.

968
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Speaker 3: They're there at midnight or whatever trying to get him ready. No,

969
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Speaker 3: I hear you. I don't think they do. I just

970
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: don't think teams know if their contenders or not. At

971
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Speaker 3: the deadline.

972
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Speaker 2: I think they know.

973
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Speaker 3: I mean, all these quarterback injuries. It might help the

974
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: situation if you're the Saints sitting there on Winston Like

975
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Speaker 3: someone offered me a fourth round pick of the trade deadline,

976
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Speaker 3: I said, no, night, get a third out of them,

977
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 3: you know, but.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I want to do that. If

979
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm a contender, I don't want to trade

980
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: away my good my backup quarter. Maybe because I've seen

981
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: I've seen what happens. Mason Rudolph has to be sitting

982
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: at home.

983
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: Right, I'm better than the Vito's better than a lot

984
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: of the dudes have been playing. A lot of these

985
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: guys have been bag and the Veto and these guys right, like,

986
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: I could be at least helping a team.

987
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: Right now, and it's unbelievable to me.

988
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: There's others in the same But he was a.

989
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: Free agent in the off season. Nobody signed him, Yeah,

990
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: because they all had their guys. You know, hey, it's

991
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: it's it's a great job.

992
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: I I just don't know that.

993
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Speaker 2: I mean, again, if you're the if you're the Saints,

994
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: you don't want to trade away Jameis Wins. Maybe he's

995
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: not the best they don't have.

996
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 4: They don't have anybody else on the roster.

997
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: Right, it'd be Taysom Hill or people were saying the

998
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: same boat as these guys starting to.

999
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you think you're a legitimate team, you're

1000
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: not trading away your backup quarterback.

1001
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 3: Right, Maybe that they're a bad example because they're still

1002
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: in it.

1003
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: But Andy Dalton, I don't know if they want to

1004
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 4: trade him away.

1005
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: He'd listen now, though, would they, because.

1006
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: He's serving as as your mentor for your rookie quarterback.

1007
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: Saying backup quarterbacks of serious position?

1008
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: It is? It is. Maybe Rudolph's the best example. Maybe

1009
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: nobody would offer you anything for him at the deadline,

1010
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: and now someone would offer you a six or a fifth,

1011
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: you know, maybe small potatoes.

1012
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I just you know, if

1013
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: your starter then goes down for the rest of the season,

1014
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: you're left with you know, some you're left with Danny

1015
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: DeVito as yours your backup quarterback, and that's not a

1016
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 2: good situation.

1017
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: But like Dobbs is a good example of moving around

1018
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: or I don't.

1019
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: Know, I just think that position is you know, oh,

1020
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: I think it's very important, extremely important. Yeah, yeah, and

1021
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: to just punt on it, you know, look at the Bengals,

1022
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: like they ran Joe Burrow out there all pre season

1023
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: because they don't have a bat back up.

1024
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Speaker 3: Just as a fan, I don't want to see the veto.

1025
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to see these guys' either what's an

1026
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: easier way to make that more feasible and maybe the

1027
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: trade that not being later.

1028
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: I just don't know anybody's going to give up a backup,

1029
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: a viable backup quarterback for a six round pick.

1030
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a fourth or something.

1031
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: You know, it's just to me.

1032
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: Not only that, but you know, teams don't want quarterbacks

1033
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: necessarily going out of their building, particularly to a team

1034
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: in your conference, because they know they I mean, that's

1035
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: like giving them the keys of.

1036
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 4: The car too.

1037
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Speaker 2: Like the Cardinals may not occurb with with with Josh

1038
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: Dobbs because they're not in it this year. Yeah, but

1039
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: how many other teams are willing to say, oh, okay,

1040
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: we'll give you Mason Realf. Mason Rudolph's been in your

1041
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: system for six years now. Yeah, I definitely going to

1042
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: pick a team justin Herbert goes down, he goes to

1043
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: the Chargers and they playing the Chargers in the playoffs.

1044
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: That's not good either way. I mean, even if you

1045
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: don't play the team, you're crazy as an organization to

1046
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: bring in an established quarterback and don't get every trade

1047
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: secret from the other building. You can't.

1048
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: You're picking his brain constantly. Here's what we call it.

1049
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: Here's how we did this.

1050
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 4: You know, that's just way it goes.

1051
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: Look, we trade this at practic. I mean you might

1052
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: even change your practices or little.

1053
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: Because there's no player on the team that knows as

1054
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: much about the ins and outs, both offensively and defensively.

1055
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, right as your quarterback.

1056
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 3: Right, and you even play similar but eyes you know, like, okay,

1057
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: you trade Mason Rudolph the Chargers, the Chargers in the

1058
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: first round, get the Ravens.

1059
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: Well, this is what we did against the Ravens. It

1060
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: might not be even a Steeler thing.

1061
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's this is how we They have a

1062
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: great corner blitz that they tell way too much from

1063
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: you know or whatever.

1064
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyways, we're gonna get to another break. He

1065
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to

1066
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: the Driver here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back

1067
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: with our two right after this.

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold football leos here twenty four to seven.

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