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Speaker 1: I am Shannon Gross, and I am please to announce
Speaker 1: that I am joined. Today. We mixed it up Fellas
Speaker 1: and Lady and everybody else listening. Rob Phillips underneath me.
Speaker 1: That sounded really weird over here to all right and
Speaker 1: Ambar Garcia, everybody from other shows. We have mixed it
Speaker 1: up this week for the bye week. We're all over
Speaker 1: the place, and I really, I really feel bad for
Speaker 1: all of you guys because we are gonna have so
Speaker 1: much fun the next two days. You're not gonna want
Speaker 1: to go back to your normal shows. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: we never we never have a run of show, we
Speaker 1: never have anything schedule to talk about. We just talk
Speaker 1: because we enjoy each other and we'd like football, and
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Speaker 1: introduce yourselves? For those of those that are listening that
Speaker 1: aren't familiar with the Rob kick it off. Hi, I name,
Speaker 1: My name is Rob Phillips, talking Cowboys fame, and I
Speaker 1: just went all right, Rob Phillips, and I just went
Speaker 1: through puberty. Hello, Hello there, h excuse me. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to kick it off by first of all, this
Speaker 1: this show has something in common. We all, in one
Speaker 1: form or another. We all have babies at home, so
Speaker 1: we're all trying to deal with lack of sleep. But
Speaker 1: we're still gonna bring it today. I'm still gonna bring
Speaker 1: it today. And I just wanted to give the host
Speaker 1: a happy birthday shout out today, Shannon, Happy birthday. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: happy birthday. Thank you, Rob. Chris. Something for the man.
Speaker 1: Something I got nothing flowers wings donuts. Chris is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris got nothing, just like every other kid. Thank you, Rob.
Speaker 1: Welcome Danny Danny of former LSU Fame, Dallas Cowboys, Chicago
Speaker 1: Bear now fortunate enough to work with them on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. For the Dallas Cowboys. Danny introduce yourself, Well,
Speaker 1: well you actually just did, so I'm gonna just I'll
Speaker 1: just leave it there and I'll just I'll just I'll
Speaker 1: just asked this question. So you guys were like sitting sitting,
Speaker 1: sitting their fingering out what we're gonna do for the
Speaker 1: bye weekend. We went with the Dallas Cowboys offensive line themes.
Speaker 1: So we just mix everything up and keep it consistent.
Speaker 1: Huh for the week that's you know, I mean, why
Speaker 1: why mess up a theme that's been on going with
Speaker 1: the you know on the field was transferred off the field.
Speaker 1: This was Derek Eagleton's brain child. I actually suggested that
Speaker 1: we should have a a host draft where we actually
Speaker 1: draft everybody that's on our show. So next time we
Speaker 1: do this, actually pull names out of the hat. You
Speaker 1: have a special show to where it's just all mixing.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna tell everybody like who got picked first,
Speaker 1: who got picked last? Are you? Because I listen, I'm competitive,
Speaker 1: I'd be upset. And it was like black football, Hey,
Speaker 1: look the egos that we have on these shows between
Speaker 1: you and Nick Eatman and Jesse, Holly and Isaiah. Though
Speaker 1: we can break somebody's heart by letting them be the
Speaker 1: last pick, so no, we won't do that. It would
Speaker 1: just be names out of a hat. Cool Danny, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show at last, but definitely not least. Abbar
Speaker 1: Garcia our Spanish I guess you're our Spanish correspondent that
Speaker 1: you you produce all things, so most cowboys. What am
Speaker 1: I leaving out here? Aba? By the way, you have
Speaker 1: the best background of anyone on any of these shows.
Speaker 1: You look very well and the cutest cream colored wall.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I mean there's nothing, There's not
Speaker 1: much else to say that. I'm a female, I speak Spanish.
Speaker 1: I'm on here in an all male show too. Hopefully
Speaker 1: teach you guys some manner as you should know, Shannon,
Speaker 1: ladies go first and you left me last. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm here, so hopefully you learn something. I say,
Speaker 1: I saved the best for last day. Yes, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a manners thing, it was just best for last on
Speaker 1: this show. So there you go. There we are. We
Speaker 1: are the Motley crew that will be in this time
Speaker 1: slot today and tomorrow, and then we're taking Thursday Friday
Speaker 1: off to regroup for the bye week, and then we'll
Speaker 1: be back in our normal time slot starting Monday of
Speaker 1: next week. So let's now that we've killed the first
Speaker 1: five minutes of the show getting to know everybody, let's
Speaker 1: get right into it. Amber. I will let you go first,
Speaker 1: since you are a lady, and you will, you know,
Speaker 1: point it out that I was a jerk and didn't
Speaker 1: introduce you first. Give me, give me your recap. Let's
Speaker 1: just go. Since we haven't all been together really in
Speaker 1: the same place, and this is really the first time
Speaker 1: we've kind of hung out chatted together since the season started.
Speaker 1: Normally we're in the office. You know, all of our
Speaker 1: deaths are within probably twenty feet of each other, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're always talking about football, always talking about
Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, on the field, off the field. Amber,
Speaker 1: what's your take so far? You know, a little bit
Speaker 1: over halfway through the season, coming up on the bye week.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're all gonna have about the
Speaker 1: same take, but you kick us off. Tell us what
Speaker 1: do you think about the season so far? Yeah? Go, okay,
Speaker 1: My take on the season a good feedback Amber, Okay,
Speaker 1: bab No, I think. I mean, I've been kind of
Speaker 1: over this whole team for a while now. I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm tired of waiting every year for it
Speaker 1: to happen, for us to get past that first round
Speaker 1: or second round of the playoffs. And it's just it
Speaker 1: sucks when every year something there's a change and you
Speaker 1: create new hope and then you see the results that
Speaker 1: we've been seeing for the past few years. For this year,
Speaker 1: it was a lot different because we had major changes. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we had major changes, especially in the coaching stuff. So
Speaker 1: you got new hopes and you got a new team,
Speaker 1: and then you start seeing twenty twenty all the things
Speaker 1: that have happened with COVID, no preseason games and all
Speaker 1: of that, and then you see how it affected the team,
Speaker 1: and then injuries here and there, and then you get
Speaker 1: into the games and see how the team is performing.
Speaker 1: It's a crap. Here we go another year where we
Speaker 1: don't get to actually see a great result at the end,
Speaker 1: and I've been kind of over it. But then last
Speaker 1: weekend watching the game against the Steelers, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: a sucker for the Cowboys because they always pulled me
Speaker 1: back in, so they are starting to pull me back
Speaker 1: in and maybe in my head, I'm like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they can start turning things around, especially when when
Speaker 1: you look at your opponents in the division and how
Speaker 1: bad the NFC East is and to the fact that
Speaker 1: maybe you can turn the page and start playing some
Speaker 1: more competitive football. So not much else to say there.
Speaker 1: They just always suck me back in. So that's basically it.
Speaker 1: I'm in for the ride and still waiting to see
Speaker 1: what's going to happen after the week get back from
Speaker 1: the bye week, Amber, I would I would venture to
Speaker 1: say you are probably ninety nine percent of our fan
Speaker 1: base because they have this team has a way of
Speaker 1: raising your expectations before the season starts, coming in below
Speaker 1: usually below those expectations. You're done with them, and then
Speaker 1: they do something like they did Sunday and you're right
Speaker 1: back in it and you're like, okay, well now I
Speaker 1: have this listen this to forward to, so you're not alone.
Speaker 1: You're not alone. Danny. What's your take so far all
Speaker 1: the season? Uh? Yeah, so we we we aren't very good. Um.
Speaker 1: The most the most shocking part about the season so
Speaker 1: far has been defensively, to me, the lack of effort
Speaker 1: out there, Like I don't think we have a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of Star Wars out there, a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: all pros. But I think as you've seen the last
Speaker 1: couple of games, that you know, max effort can eliminate
Speaker 1: a lot of those mistakes that you have been seeing
Speaker 1: in previous games. And the fact that we started off
Speaker 1: the season playing so lack of daisical was so surprising
Speaker 1: to me, which leaned in my mind, you know, sort
Speaker 1: of to the coaching staff. And then offensively, I'm shocked
Speaker 1: at how you know, uninvolved Amari Cooper has been in
Speaker 1: the in the game, and then kind of how uninvolved
Speaker 1: Zeke started off in the season, and it leaned to me.
Speaker 1: You know, when I was going through Listen watching the draft,
Speaker 1: it was, man, we have all these weapons, and then
Speaker 1: we got to see Lamb and I'm like, man, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a point where you can have too much. And
Speaker 1: then you know, that's when I started first getting worried
Speaker 1: about Zeke. And you know, it proved me right. So
Speaker 1: you know, like unlike some people, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: on that bandwagon so long and I've been hurt so
Speaker 1: many times that I've flipped my my expectation to I
Speaker 1: expect a little and then hope for a lot. So
Speaker 1: I'm not really hurting as much, but it's it's just
Speaker 1: more frustrating for me to see the lack of effort
Speaker 1: out there. You know, then that goes down. So we
Speaker 1: have another half of the season with really no expectation
Speaker 1: to make the super Bowl. So you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: here alone for the rout. All right, fair enough, Rob,
Speaker 1: You've been around this team for a long time, off
Speaker 1: and on. Have you ever can you recall a season
Speaker 1: where so many people had such high expectations and then
Speaker 1: the result, like Danny said, just kind of kind of
Speaker 1: came in flat. Can you recall a season like this?
Speaker 1: I can recall a couple, but nothing, nothing quite like this,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. I mean I've been around since the
Speaker 1: Parcels days off and on. You know, covered a couple
Speaker 1: of Danny's teams, and there are a couple of seasons
Speaker 1: in there. Twenty fifteen where you know, both seasons I'm
Speaker 1: gonna reference, you lose your starting quarterback, Tony got hurt
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. They finished four and twelve. Twenty ten
Speaker 1: Romo gets hurt again and they start one and seven
Speaker 1: and change coaches midstream. That's not going to happen here,
Speaker 1: but it is. It's similar in that Dac goes down
Speaker 1: what else can go wrong? And at this point, kind
Speaker 1: of like Danny said, you're playing for pride, you're playing
Speaker 1: to just try to compete and show progress. And I
Speaker 1: think we saw that the last couple of weeks. And
Speaker 1: I know technically they're still into the division, but right
Speaker 1: now they're trying to just find progress with this new
Speaker 1: coaching staff, the new schemes, and but no, I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything quite like this man where and I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody has in terms of you throw in the
Speaker 1: pandemic with it, and there's just something different every single week.
Speaker 1: Mike reference that McCarthy reference that couple days ago, that
Speaker 1: every week it's something, whether it's an injury, even on
Speaker 1: the bye week. This week we're supposed to all catch
Speaker 1: our breath. That's hasn't really happened because there's a positive
Speaker 1: test with the Steelers, so the Cowboys, out of precaution,
Speaker 1: have to meet at home do virtual stuff and no
Speaker 1: practice Wednesday. So like there hasn't been a single normal
Speaker 1: week since August and you know, hopefully that'll change, but
Speaker 1: that's just kind of the theme of this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll just throw this out there to the group
Speaker 1: and y'all jump in and and do you did you
Speaker 1: if Dak would not you reference Dak going down? Did
Speaker 1: any of you have? You know, I know we were competitive,
Speaker 1: we were in every game, but the defense was so
Speaker 1: bad up until this last week. You couldn't get the
Speaker 1: run game going, the you know, the fumbles were an issue,
Speaker 1: the turnover deficit. Was there any part of you Now
Speaker 1: it looks like, Okay, you got one game where things click.
Speaker 1: You had a good, the most all around performance that
Speaker 1: you've had, you know, the entire season. You had a
Speaker 1: hell of a play call, a game called by Kelly Moore,
Speaker 1: your special teams, the trickery and the you know, the
Speaker 1: things that that Bones Fossil has been trying to do
Speaker 1: all season. Finally, the execution part was there. You had
Speaker 1: some you know, you had a little bit of life
Speaker 1: at the quarter you know, the four string quarterback position.
Speaker 1: So you got a little bit of hope and you know,
Speaker 1: can you can you string a couple of these together
Speaker 1: now to where the arrows pointing up. Can it stay
Speaker 1: pointing up? But before this game, if you would have
Speaker 1: had Dak, you know, I just kick it back to
Speaker 1: you Rob real quick to start us off, since you
Speaker 1: brought up the quarterback being out. If you had Dak,
Speaker 1: do you think they could have gotten this together and
Speaker 1: made some kind of a run or was this team
Speaker 1: just so all over the place that it was just
Speaker 1: doomed from the beginning. I don't know that you can
Speaker 1: say that they would have because even before Dak got hurt,
Speaker 1: they had yet to play a complete game together, like
Speaker 1: opplementary football. They haven't done it really all year long
Speaker 1: until this last game. And like you guys said, I
Speaker 1: mean the defense two best games of the season, these
Speaker 1: last two games, but now you're seeing seeing a shift
Speaker 1: with the offense where they can't finish drives, can't score touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and and then the special teams has been hit or miss.
Speaker 1: That was their best game last week for sure. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I think they obviously missed Dak.
Speaker 1: He's their leader, he's their captain, he's arguably their best player.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just tough because because you know,
Speaker 1: those first four games, four and a half games before
Speaker 1: he got hurt. You know, there were a couple of
Speaker 1: last second field goals from being oh and five. So
Speaker 1: even with Dak, so until they're able to put it
Speaker 1: all together, they're not going to have consistent success and
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be hard anyway, with the injuries
Speaker 1: that they have right now. Yeah, and Danny, you you
Speaker 1: played on this team, and you played on this team
Speaker 1: when it was this team went as the quarterback goes.
Speaker 1: If your quarterback was clicking, this was a hell of
Speaker 1: a team and it was a hard team to beat
Speaker 1: if your quarterback was your starting quarterback was either injured
Speaker 1: or you know, not having a good game or good season.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what the rest of the team did.
Speaker 1: This team has always seemed to, you know, not be
Speaker 1: able to pick up the pieces when a key position
Speaker 1: goes down on one side of the ball or the other,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee goes out, they forget how to line up
Speaker 1: with the goods. The quarterback goes out, they don't they
Speaker 1: can't score points. So if Dak was still here, you know,
Speaker 1: we're speaking of hypotheticals, but you know, would this team,
Speaker 1: would you still be interested in this team, invested in
Speaker 1: this team? Well, listen, I'll answer that twofold. Listen, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be interested in invested this seeming no matter what,
Speaker 1: just because like you said, I'm I'm an alumni. This
Speaker 1: is this is who gave me my shot here. But
Speaker 1: as but as far as but um yeah, but as
Speaker 1: far as uh us having a shot at back was
Speaker 1: still here. Like Rob said, we are two players away
Speaker 1: from from from not winning the game the whole season.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, as I watched the as
Speaker 1: I watched from last year going into this year, I
Speaker 1: think we have been the same team as then you
Speaker 1: fall behind early and then we find a way to
Speaker 1: come back at the end. And for me being a
Speaker 1: player out there, I can tell you that a lot
Speaker 1: of times when teams get a big lead on you,
Speaker 1: they take their foot off the gas, the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: calls the game a little different, and that's how teams
Speaker 1: are allowed to come back in the game because they're
Speaker 1: playing not to give up points and hope the other
Speaker 1: teams run out of time before they can score enough.
Speaker 1: So I think we started to see that this season
Speaker 1: as well. And if you look back at the teams
Speaker 1: then we beat, they had some horrible defenses. As you
Speaker 1: watch them play games after they've played us. So I
Speaker 1: don't think our offense was playing as well as it
Speaker 1: needed to, especially in the first half, and then you
Speaker 1: pile along the defense and power along the special teams.
Speaker 1: I think we were in for a long season of
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. Luckily, a couple of guys got fired,
Speaker 1: and then you see the defense playing a little harder,
Speaker 1: so you know, hopefully that would have been an issue
Speaker 1: with I don't think we would have been in the
Speaker 1: running for for a long playoff run. All right, Well,
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Speaker 1: Can we call you a special team? You can just
Speaker 1: I was I was good, good at that part of
Speaker 1: my games, and we just we just say that he
Speaker 1: was an ace. Okay, he was an ace? All right?
Speaker 1: Special teams? Ace. I want to talk defense and special teams,
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Speaker 1: Shannon Grows, Danny McCrae, Rob Phillips, Amber Garcia saved the
Speaker 1: best for last. Again we are back for the second segment.
Speaker 1: We have Rob, give me a scouting report on Danny. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't do it on the team when he was here
Speaker 1: spot only a specialties. Do not do not give it
Speaker 1: a safety a safety scouting report. Police, you were great
Speaker 1: an everything. Come on, Danny was the consummate professional and
Speaker 1: a terrific, terrific special teams player. I mean what I got?
Speaker 1: I mean? Joe D. Camillis special teams coach with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: reunited with him in Chicago. Correct, because of what Danny
Speaker 1: brought to the table, and that were what we saw
Speaker 1: in the game on Sunday. We don't talk about special
Speaker 1: teams enough, but special teams almost won the Cowboys a
Speaker 1: football game against an undefeated team on Sunday. It's it's
Speaker 1: a huge underrated part of the game. And Danny, what
Speaker 1: have you seen from special teams? You know, we heard
Speaker 1: about Fossil coming in and changing the game and what
Speaker 1: he did in New England and what he did, you know,
Speaker 1: what he's done it throughout his career. What have you
Speaker 1: seen so far? Have they tried to be too cute?
Speaker 1: Because it seems like every game and it's been a
Speaker 1: long time since special teams has been a strong point
Speaker 1: on this team. Like I tried to think back, like
Speaker 1: when was special teams a threat on this team? And
Speaker 1: you have to go back to at least when Duwayne
Speaker 1: Harris was here, which was six seven years ago. Probably
Speaker 1: what have they what have you seen so far? They're
Speaker 1: getting too cute or is that what they need to
Speaker 1: do to make special teams special again? For the let
Speaker 1: me start by saying this, um, if you listen to
Speaker 1: the players louds. You've heard me say that our defensive
Speaker 1: MVP has been CJ Goodwe uh, he's he's made the
Speaker 1: most plays. He's probably he's probably made the most impactful
Speaker 1: plays of the season to save us against the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Um as far as its bonds, sometimes I think we
Speaker 1: get a little bit too cute. Like I said, if
Speaker 1: it was me, I wouldn't be having Tony Pollard returning
Speaker 1: every kick, no matter how deep it is in the
Speaker 1: end zone. I wouldn't run as many fake punts I
Speaker 1: would have. I would have probably ran one and then
Speaker 1: and then moved on with it. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: the off side kick we got lucky is a huge play,
Speaker 1: but we didn't execute that right. So I've been seeing
Speaker 1: some things that if you would have had a training camp,
Speaker 1: if you would have been able to get those reps,
Speaker 1: that the players probably would have executed a little better.
Speaker 1: But man, for the most part, I've been shocked to see.
Speaker 1: You know how when you bring up special teams is
Speaker 1: usually something bad. As a special the players you usually
Speaker 1: wanted to be neutral or good, and we've been, you know,
Speaker 1: being called out for a bad things. So it hadn't
Speaker 1: been good so far. Aber what's your take on special
Speaker 1: teams So far? It's been entertaining to watch, But what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? No, I mean, like Danny said, with
Speaker 1: the whole hiring of Fassl, we kept talking about all
Speaker 1: throughout the off season how this special team should look
Speaker 1: better and should be better. And when he came in,
Speaker 1: I think that some of the things that he was
Speaker 1: saying it motivated me as to thinking, Okay, maybe he
Speaker 1: can turn things around. Because one of the votes that
Speaker 1: I remember from him that suit out was him wanting
Speaker 1: to make sure that he made special teams player feel
Speaker 1: like they matter and that they count in the game
Speaker 1: and that they can make plays that are gonna turn
Speaker 1: around the game or help the team for a win.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was very interesting because we tend
Speaker 1: to kind of forget about special teams player or maybe
Speaker 1: not see as much value as other positions around the team.
Speaker 1: So the fact that it didn't work out that way
Speaker 1: all throughout the season, finally we started seeing it in
Speaker 1: this past game. I mean, that was great and we
Speaker 1: saw how much value there is there and how much
Speaker 1: it actually matters that special team is able to make place.
Speaker 1: But the thing is now they have to do it again,
Speaker 1: and then again and then again. The team needs to
Speaker 1: start getting that consistency and being able to just not
Speaker 1: do it one game, but carrying it over throughout the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Yeah, and Rob I said, I
Speaker 1: made the statement while ago, like it's been a while
Speaker 1: since this, you know, special teams has been special. That's
Speaker 1: that's not entirely true. You've got arguably the best deep
Speaker 1: snapper to ever play the game in LP. The guy
Speaker 1: just doesn't make mistakes. You've had obviously some great kickers
Speaker 1: in here. Dan Bailey comes to mind. You know, Chris
Speaker 1: Jones at one time was you know, an elite punter,
Speaker 1: one of the best in the league. They've they've had
Speaker 1: good special teams players. I guess what I'm talking about
Speaker 1: is playmakers, difference makers when it comes to the return game, punting,
Speaker 1: kicking off, you know, they're tricking it up. As a
Speaker 1: person that covers this team, do you like what you're seeing?
Speaker 1: Is it too much? Should they be more straightforward? What's
Speaker 1: your tech? I think to Danny's point, I think there's
Speaker 1: times where they've tried to do too much. You know,
Speaker 1: they've tried some fake stuff on their own side of
Speaker 1: the field. Early in the season where it didn't work,
Speaker 1: and I guess hindsight, you say, shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with some of the stuff
Speaker 1: they did Sunday because I think they felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're undermatched with some of your personnel all over the field,
Speaker 1: with some of your injuries, so try to make something happen,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know it's it's been inconsistent. You know,
Speaker 1: they've had games where you know, they've had misqus in
Speaker 1: terms of the return operation, Chris Jones dealing with some stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, physically before he goes on IR and the
Speaker 1: punting aspect of it, and they've had things where guys
Speaker 1: to the wrong number of guys are on the field.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of things that I think
Speaker 1: you probably and Danny could answer this better than I could.
Speaker 1: You know, you probably get hashed out in preseason games
Speaker 1: and things that you know, not to be an excuse.
Speaker 1: But they I think they're starting to show it up
Speaker 1: a little bit, just like they have on defense in
Speaker 1: the last couple weeks, and maybe they can carry it over.
Speaker 1: But actually I had the question for Danny about it
Speaker 1: because just from your experience, you know what Fossil tries
Speaker 1: to do. Does that juice up guys? I mean that
Speaker 1: does that make it more of kind of like Amber said,
Speaker 1: you feel part of it. It's it's more of an
Speaker 1: exciting part of your job to have kind of that
Speaker 1: that trick stuff where you know you you're you're coming
Speaker 1: up with things that might impact the game in kind
Speaker 1: of a crazy way. Uh you know sometimes, I mean
Speaker 1: because you got to look at it when when you
Speaker 1: have those type of players that really only one person
Speaker 1: really gets to be the start, right, So if you
Speaker 1: run a fake punt and they snap it to the
Speaker 1: to the to the personal protector, that's the guy that
Speaker 1: that feels more involved. It's not necessarily the whole the
Speaker 1: whole team. Where you get rid when you feel really
Speaker 1: involved as a special teams player, is hey, instead of
Speaker 1: kicking a touchback, you kick it to the one yard
Speaker 1: line and give your your kickoff team that that confidence
Speaker 1: in them to know that, hey, you're going to go
Speaker 1: down there and make the tackle. You give them a
Speaker 1: chance to go out there and get some stats up
Speaker 1: because you believe in them. Uh So, so not necessarily
Speaker 1: the trick stuff, but just showing them that you have
Speaker 1: confidence in them. To make certain players that will affect
Speaker 1: the game outside of you know, a fake punt here
Speaker 1: or or or a trick onside kick there, gotcha and
Speaker 1: all right, let's sick Earth ahead took one thing because
Speaker 1: because Amber said, um that you know, he came out
Speaker 1: with the quote where he said he wanted the people
Speaker 1: to feel involved in all that. And the reason that
Speaker 1: I was upset with Bones at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: season is he released his MVP player that I just
Speaker 1: mentioned and I was so surprised that that it didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me, and and Rob brought up
Speaker 1: the miscues that we had. It almost cost us, cost
Speaker 1: us the game against the Giants. So you know, we've
Speaker 1: we've had some big issues on special teams. All right,
Speaker 1: when we come back, Ambert, I want to get you
Speaker 1: said you got sucked back in this past week. I
Speaker 1: want to know what sucked you back in, and then
Speaker 1: we want to get y'all's take on the game Sunday.
Speaker 1: And then I want to get into since we have
Speaker 1: Danny on the team and he's still very connected to
Speaker 1: this team, I want to know what the hell is
Speaker 1: going on on defense and what the hell clicked this
Speaker 1: week that you know, it look like someone stole their uniforms.
Speaker 1: On defense, it looked like a totally different team out there,
Speaker 1: attitude wise, effort wise, making plays like I want to
Speaker 1: get your take on that. So when we come back,
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Speaker 1: dot com slash tickets. So Ever, what sucked you back
Speaker 1: in on Sunday? Why are you? Why are you interested
Speaker 1: in this team now? After Sunday? What happened? What happened? Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened, and I'm gonna be on
Speaker 1: the past few weeks, I've lost complete interest. Like we
Speaker 1: were watching a football game where players were playing like
Speaker 1: I don't even know what how, I don't know. Having
Speaker 1: watched Middle school football to really know, but it was
Speaker 1: just not NFL level whatsoever. And the difference was that
Speaker 1: this game, five minutes in, they still had my interest.
Speaker 1: I was still watching him, I was still in it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, okay. They it was just exciting.
Speaker 1: I felt like this is this was finally the one
Speaker 1: game where we were actually watching a real NFL football game,
Speaker 1: and that that was the friends to me. The energy,
Speaker 1: the fact that we started seeing place being made, the
Speaker 1: fact that they were being successful at least a different
Speaker 1: parts of the three faces of the game. So that's
Speaker 1: basically why I'm back then, and I hate it. I
Speaker 1: absolutely hate it. Because after the Washington game, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, I am done. I am done, but
Speaker 1: this is my job, so I'm forced to be here.
Speaker 1: But after the way they played against the Steelers, they
Speaker 1: got my interest again, and now I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know how far they can get or any
Speaker 1: of that, or if they're gonna win another game, but
Speaker 1: at least it's exciting to watch. At least you get
Speaker 1: to see certain players like Neville Gallimore. Do you like, okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's making plays and he's exciting to see just a
Speaker 1: little bit of energy, a little bit of energy on
Speaker 1: the field and them not being absolutely killed on there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they got my interest back again. And next
Speaker 1: week I'll probably pick them to win again, which sucks
Speaker 1: because I feel like they're gonna just hurt my heart again.
Speaker 1: But that's what it is. They got you. Yeah, that's hey,
Speaker 1: That that's Cowboys football. That's why we have such a
Speaker 1: strong fan basis because right about the time you get
Speaker 1: ready just to call it in and and and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm done with this team. There's no way I can
Speaker 1: there's no way. Every week on the show, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's no way. I finally got to the point last
Speaker 1: week where I was like, there's no way they're winning,
Speaker 1: but I can't pick they're gonna do it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I picked forty eight to ten them losing
Speaker 1: and they almost win the damn game. And then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like you Hamber, I'm like, I'm probably gonna like
Speaker 1: I was done for the rest of the season, and
Speaker 1: now I'm probably gonna like you. They gave me a
Speaker 1: little bit of hope. Rob, what Danny do? I want
Speaker 1: to get to you in a minute about defense, because
Speaker 1: I got some questions about defense. How can you look
Speaker 1: so freaking horrible for so many games in a row
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Okay, we'll get to
Speaker 1: that minute, Rob what'd you see on Sunday? Like it
Speaker 1: looked like a different team out there? What you were
Speaker 1: there in person? What did you see? Saw a lot
Speaker 1: of terrible towels. But they didn't have as much to
Speaker 1: share about as we thought. I think obviously you see
Speaker 1: the difference between an from an offensive standpoint, a seventh
Speaker 1: round rookie trying to play quarterback without any preseason experience
Speaker 1: Benda Nucci against the Eagles just he wasn't ready for
Speaker 1: prime time, and that's no knock on him. You saw
Speaker 1: the difference on Sunday with Garrett Gilbert, who's thrown six
Speaker 1: career passes before Sunday, but has been around the league,
Speaker 1: knows how to run an offense. Was you know, had
Speaker 1: some time to throw and was able to make some
Speaker 1: throws and just kind of be able to run the
Speaker 1: offense more so than they were the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks by far. And then defensively, like Amber said, I
Speaker 1: don't have I don't have an explanation Danny hopefully can
Speaker 1: help us why they're they're playing so much better. I
Speaker 1: think you know one thing they've done, and Danny references
Speaker 1: the top of the show, they parted ways with three
Speaker 1: veteran players that were getting a lot of playing time
Speaker 1: and the production wasn't there, and they felt good about
Speaker 1: the young guys that they had behind them, felt like
Speaker 1: they wanted to give them more snaps. And those particular
Speaker 1: players are really running with the opportunity. Neville Gallimore, Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: and you know you're seeing Donovan Wilson step up at
Speaker 1: the safety position. Darryl Warley played a little safety there
Speaker 1: early in the season. So you know, when you've got
Speaker 1: younger players embracing the new scheme and taking advantage of opportunities,
Speaker 1: and you've got a guy like Tank Lawrence playing with
Speaker 1: a lot of effort that can raise the level of play,
Speaker 1: maybe they're just buying in mid season. I'm not sure, yea.
Speaker 1: And we talk about that all the time on our show,
Speaker 1: Like your season is mathematically you're still in this thing,
Speaker 1: right And I know that's as a player and as
Speaker 1: a coach and as an owner, you as long as
Speaker 1: you have a chance, you're gonna try to win every
Speaker 1: football game because they have a chance. I mean, look
Speaker 1: what the Giants did the year they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They had to win sixth straight just to get in
Speaker 1: as a wildcard, won the wild card wind up beating
Speaker 1: the Patriots, the undefeated Patriots for the Super Bowl. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, anything can technically happen. But this team looked dysfunctional.
Speaker 1: I mean, this team was beyond beyond bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially defensively. And you know it's we always say on
Speaker 1: our show, like, if you're that bad, let the young
Speaker 1: guys play, let's see what you got, you know, Let's
Speaker 1: let's start looking to see. Okay, who's gonna be around
Speaker 1: here next year? It's a nine game job interview. Let
Speaker 1: the young guys play. We know what we have in
Speaker 1: the veterans. Let's see, let's get them some reps. Let's
Speaker 1: see what we're working with. So, Danny as a defensive guy,
Speaker 1: how can you look so bad and so long and
Speaker 1: not know what your gap responsibility is for so many
Speaker 1: weeks in a row, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, we figured it out. We're good. Now.
Speaker 1: Can we expect them to keep doing this? Or was
Speaker 1: this just kind of like, okay, you know the Steelers,
Speaker 1: just listen, you can you what you can't expect for
Speaker 1: at least the next few weeks is these guys to
Speaker 1: play with maximum effort. Right. If you remember back when
Speaker 1: when Wade Phillips got fired all of a sudden, we
Speaker 1: went five and three. It's something about some veterans or
Speaker 1: somebody getting fired and you being put on notice and
Speaker 1: knowing that your job is up for grabs as well
Speaker 1: to make you play a little bit harder. And like
Speaker 1: you said, then you get some new blood coming in,
Speaker 1: some young guys who have been chomping at the bit
Speaker 1: to get a little bit more playing time. So they're
Speaker 1: playing just as hard as they can and they're out
Speaker 1: there making plays. I think I think getting really Warlie
Speaker 1: was huge because he was out there making some serious mistakes.
Speaker 1: And as a as a veteran guy, who are young
Speaker 1: guys looking up to and they seeing you play like that,
Speaker 1: I think that was having an effect on some of
Speaker 1: some of the younger guys in the secondary. So I
Speaker 1: think some of the moves that they made with firing
Speaker 1: those guys and and letting these guys know that they
Speaker 1: need business, I think that changed a lot. Like I said,
Speaker 1: max effort can eliminate a lot of mistakes, and we
Speaker 1: saw that in the game. Now, Pittsburgh did help us,
Speaker 1: you know. I think it was a letdown game for them,
Speaker 1: one of those trap things to what they undefeated. They
Speaker 1: were coming to play the Cowboys and they were dropping
Speaker 1: passes and things like that. But we maximized on all
Speaker 1: the mistakes that they made. So I think, at least
Speaker 1: for the next few weeks, if the Office can stay
Speaker 1: competitive and keep us in the games, I think you
Speaker 1: will see us play better. Okay, we've got a few
Speaker 1: minutes left in the show. This is gone by so fast.
Speaker 1: This goes by so much faster than this show normally
Speaker 1: does because we usually have to sit here and listen
Speaker 1: to Jesse Holly talk for forty five and it's the
Speaker 1: longest forty five minutes that you could possibly sit through.
Speaker 1: So this has been a very refreshing breath of air
Speaker 1: for me personally. I'm sure Chris beam as he eats
Speaker 1: a sandwich behind the scenes for him as well. But Amber,
Speaker 1: here's what I need from you today to get me
Speaker 1: through to we revisit each other tomorrow. I need some hope,
Speaker 1: I need some hope for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: I need something. You can give me one thing, you
Speaker 1: can give me a couple of things. But what should
Speaker 1: I What's one thing or a couple of things I
Speaker 1: can cling on that give me hope for this season
Speaker 1: to get me through till tomorrow, till we can talk
Speaker 1: about some other things and try to change my mind. Well,
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people probably won't agree
Speaker 1: with me, and this is one of the conversations that
Speaker 1: are happening right now, and it's gonna keep happening during
Speaker 1: this week and next week. But the quarterback position, who's
Speaker 1: going to be the starter? I know that Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: and Stephen Jones, they've come out and said Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: is going to be our guy. But I have hope
Speaker 1: in what I saw from Garret Gilbert. He showed some
Speaker 1: things that honestly made me raise an egg brow, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, he got something in him. He can
Speaker 1: certain things. He can throw some passes. He threw some
Speaker 1: amazing passes. He wasn't perfect or anything, but at least
Speaker 1: we saw the offense being able to move the ball,
Speaker 1: being able to throw passes. A quarterback that that has
Speaker 1: some mobility to him, he's able to get out of
Speaker 1: the pocket and run a little bit. So some of
Speaker 1: those things that I saw me personally, I would like
Speaker 1: them to stay with Garrett Gilbert and see what else
Speaker 1: he can do, because I saw a better connection there.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, it's not like Andy Dalton got
Speaker 1: a lot of time to play with the team based
Speaker 1: because of the injury, the concussion that he got and everything.
Speaker 1: But from what I saw, I liked the connection between
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert and the rest of the offense. And that's
Speaker 1: my little hope. My little hope is to be able
Speaker 1: to see some more of Garret Gilbert and maybe some
Speaker 1: better clarity about the court back pocision here in the
Speaker 1: near future. Danny, give me some hope, man, my hope. Listen.
Speaker 1: I've been begging for Kelling Moore to get these two
Speaker 1: guys involved and keep them involved in the game. If
Speaker 1: you get nineteen involved like you did in the previous game,
Speaker 1: then it changes the dynamic for the defense. And previous
Speaker 1: games we had seen him not get involved except catching
Speaker 1: out routes and catching little slants, and you know, when
Speaker 1: the game was out of reach and they were just
Speaker 1: trying to catch up. When you watch this game, he
Speaker 1: goes down the scene and you get him involved at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the game, and then the defense is
Speaker 1: on notice, oh, we have to worry about nineteen like
Speaker 1: they should. And then you have to continue to focus
Speaker 1: on twenty one. No matter how he's looked previously in
Speaker 1: the season, you have to remember what he's done for
Speaker 1: you in the previous years and know that he can
Speaker 1: still be that guy. So you focus the game on
Speaker 1: twenty one to nineteen and let everything else work off
Speaker 1: of that. And if kelling Moore continues to do that,
Speaker 1: I think we got a chance to at least be
Speaker 1: competitive in some of these big games coming up. Daddy,
Speaker 1: it's funny you bring up nineteen because they have so
Speaker 1: underutilized him or so not gotten him involved in games.
Speaker 1: This year, he caught a ball and I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly what play it was on, but he had He
Speaker 1: probably ran for a good twelve fifteen yards and I
Speaker 1: was like, who is that? Like? He looked so fast
Speaker 1: that I had forgotten how good and how quick and
Speaker 1: smooth he really is because he hasn't had those those
Speaker 1: big play opportunities or those you know, those opportunities to
Speaker 1: get involved in games. So I'm glad you brought me.
Speaker 1: Oh we get out of here, give me some hope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should, You're right, I like y'alls. I'm gonna flip
Speaker 1: it around. I'll say a defense. I referenced a couple
Speaker 1: of the young guys on the defensive line. I'll say
Speaker 1: the defensive line overall. Like, I think some of the
Speaker 1: biggest problem, maybe the biggest problem they've had throughout the
Speaker 1: season run defense, and probably starts in the middle of
Speaker 1: that defensive line. You know, don Terry Poe's not here anymore.
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore played really good and I'm not expecting, you know,
Speaker 1: high high production every week from the rookie. I think
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of growth to still make, but
Speaker 1: there's progress there and and and so that's that's encouraging,
Speaker 1: especially because you know, you lost Gerald McCoy before the season,
Speaker 1: he got hurt, Tristan Hills out for the year. So
Speaker 1: can they can they shore that up? Along with what
Speaker 1: Gregory did with some of his pressures in the game,
Speaker 1: That's really exciting to see the pressure they were able
Speaker 1: to put on Ben in the game. And you saw,
Speaker 1: you know, some of their packages on third down where
Speaker 1: they've got you know, Tank and Alden Smith rushing inside.
Speaker 1: You got Gregory on the edge, Tyrone Crawford, Like, that's
Speaker 1: that's talent. I mean, that's that's that's a talented group.
Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see them try to continue that
Speaker 1: going forward. If they can do that, it's going to
Speaker 1: help the rest of the defense, and maybe they can
Speaker 1: continue doing what they've done the last two weeks. You
Speaker 1: know what, just sitting here listen to y'all talk. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna make the playoffs. We're two playoff games.
Speaker 1: Y'all have given me that much help. Really appreciate said
Speaker 1: didn't sound that good, hope because each one of you,
Speaker 1: each one of you had a different part of the game.
Speaker 1: That makes me hopeful. And you put all that together
Speaker 1: and I have hope as a group, as a team.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of stuff to put together, Shannon, Danny,
Speaker 1: let me hang on that long, long two months. Let
Speaker 1: you played the perfect game and lost. We played almost
Speaker 1: the perfect game and lost to Pittsburgh at all, Right,
Speaker 1: so it's tough. I know. I'm just trying to find
Speaker 1: the silver lining here to get me through the next
Speaker 1: two months. I'm just trying to find something to hang
Speaker 1: on to y'all. Y'all gave me enough. Y'all gave me
Speaker 1: enough to get me to tomorrow. How about that. Let's
Speaker 1: do this again tomorrow. Amber, thank you for being on
Speaker 1: the show. Danny, it's it's a pleasure. It's great to
Speaker 1: see your face again. Rob. You know, it's always good
Speaker 1: whenever I get to hang out with my old buddy Roster. Chris,
Speaker 1: thanks for keeping this thing going. We will be back
Speaker 1: tomorrow the same time, the same place, the same lineup,
Speaker 1: and then we're out of here till Monday. Check us
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