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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursday's this year a big Luke kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's Jeff Fiegels, I'm Lanes Betel.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three. That is the telephone

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Speaker 1: number hashtag Giants Chat. Tonight is the fourth and final

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Speaker 1: preseason game. Is the Giants are gonna go up against

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Speaker 1: the Patriots in Foxborough at Gillette Stadium. So we'll set

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Speaker 1: the stage for you, but a bulk of the program

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Speaker 1: today is going to be about the fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 1: Jeff and I will give you our breakdowns, and we

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you in terms of not necessarily

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Speaker 1: every single player, but how many at each position you

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Speaker 1: anticipate being composed of the fifty three man roster. So

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Speaker 1: we'll tackle an awful lot. Two zero one four five

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Speaker 1: one three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. And before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, Jeff, with respect to the fifty three

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Speaker 1: man roster, just in terms of logistics for tonight, we

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Speaker 1: know Daniel Jones is going to start, so this is

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Speaker 1: really the last thing as part of the evaluation for him.

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Speaker 1: During the course of the off season training camp in

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Speaker 1: the preseason because we've seen him come in off the bench,

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Speaker 1: We've seen him really mark everything off the checklist. The

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Speaker 1: only thing that he hasn't had an opportunity to do

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Speaker 1: is start a game, which is not necessarily new. He

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Speaker 1: started plenty of games with Duke, but Jeff, this is

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of a different feel compared to

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Speaker 1: what he's experienced those far. No question, So you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get all the number one reps in practice this week.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be the number one guy. You're gonna it's

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Speaker 1: an evaluation process. This is always you're evaluating the players. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you obviously he's going to make the team. But the

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Speaker 1: problem what you're gonna do is gonna he's finally gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to come out of meetings, going to the

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Speaker 1: practice field. You're gonna be able to see how he

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Speaker 1: conducts a walk through being the guy, and then see

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Speaker 1: how he comes out of the locker room tonight against

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. I don't care who they're playing, and still

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Speaker 1: coming still NFL football, it's still coming out of the

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Speaker 1: taking first with the first team. Um, I don't know

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Speaker 1: who's gonna play. We'll find out later on today in

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Speaker 1: our pregame, will know a little bit more, but we

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Speaker 1: know that he's playing, and he's gonna go out there

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Speaker 1: and show what he can do. And this is the process,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of a good thing because really

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Speaker 1: the way it's set up is he's not going to

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Speaker 1: be able to do this during the regular season unless

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Speaker 1: something happens the ELI and or they make a move.

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Speaker 1: But at least the team will get get a chance

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Speaker 1: to give him a starting nod when it doesn't count

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Speaker 1: in essence, but get to see him how he does it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's the key, because if you're the coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: you want to expose your players, really, Jeff, at any position,

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Speaker 1: it's not just a quarterback position. You want to expose

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Speaker 1: them to different circumstances so that when it comes up

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Speaker 1: in the regular season it's not anything out of the ordinary. Well,

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Speaker 1: and again talk about not just Daniel Jones, but there's

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Speaker 1: going to be playing tonight. That these guys have been

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Speaker 1: practicing with the first team this week and then they're

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Speaker 1: I know that it's only a preseason game, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't, it doesn't matter to the player. You know, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm starting. I'm starting tonight's game. That's great. He's telling

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Speaker 1: his family he's starting, he's telling his friends he's starting.

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Speaker 1: He's starting, whoever that is, and so he has to

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Speaker 1: if you know, everything goes the way it's supposed to, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'll probably see Jones in for I figure maybe a

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Speaker 1: So twelve to twenty plays, maybe maybe that would be

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Speaker 1: the number they have it. They've got the number. We

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Speaker 1: and potatoes of today's program, which is Jeff and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to break down. So I put together my list. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: we're actually hearing about where we stand on that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we are actually even across the board with respect

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Speaker 1: when Rod Perk Paul Perkins came in. He didn't have

428
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Speaker 1: a very good game the first time he came back,

429
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Speaker 1: and we tried to give him a little bit of

430
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Speaker 1: slack because it was the first time he had been

431
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Speaker 1: back in a couple of years. But he just wasn't

432
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Speaker 1: able in my mind to put it to put it

433
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Speaker 1: through and be able to make this make the team.

434
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Speaker 1: And Elijah Penny clearly the fullback, so absolutely, and he

435
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: and you know he um if there was another fullback

436
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: in camp, I would give it to Penny and and

437
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Speaker 1: say because the guy had a great, great camp. But

438
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: I think that you're gonna see that the offense is

439
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 1: going to incorporate Elijah Penny into into it more than

440
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: you think. They really tried to throw him the football

441
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Speaker 1: this preseason. In practice, he got a lot of catches

442
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 1: and I think you'll see the ball thrown to him

443
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Speaker 1: in different situations during the season. Yea. And remember he's

444
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: a converted running back. So in Arizona when they had

445
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: multiple injuries at the back Fillip Penny started a game too,

446
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: so he's got that experience. To your point, he could

447
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: catch the ball in the backfield. The other thing you

448
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: got to remember, too is that you know the fullback position,

449
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot like the tight end position, big guy,

450
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: strong and block. Okay, Rod Smith is a former fullback.

451
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: If there's an injury to Eli Penny, they can be

452
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: a little interchangeable parts here, so that that's kind of

453
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Speaker 1: has it going tight end four. And this was another

454
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Speaker 1: one where I went back and forth and I am

455
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Speaker 1: omitting a guy that is probably going to surprise a

456
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Speaker 1: lot of people. But I'll tell you why. I have

457
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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, I have read Ellison, I kept Simonson and Dickerson,

458
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Speaker 1: and I have Conrad going to the practice squad. And

459
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Speaker 1: this is why my rationale is from just listening to

460
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Speaker 1: some of the things that Shermer had to say and

461
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Speaker 1: also looking at playing time in the preseason. I think

462
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Speaker 1: they are doing everything that they can to keep him

463
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: under the radar, get him through waivers, and get him

464
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: back on the practice squad. This is just me reading

465
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Speaker 1: between the lines. That's essentially what it is. I'm gonna

466
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Speaker 1: read you what I have on my paper. Okay, Ingram, Ellison, Simonson, Dickinson, Wow,

467
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: hold on and the inn here I hear try to

468
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: get Conrad on practice squad didn't play last week. I

469
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Speaker 1: have a written down right here exactly, so I agree.

470
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: And it's it's a crapshoot, do you know? And Charlie

471
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: seems to think that everybody knows about Conrad. I don't

472
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: know if that's true or not, but the fact is

473
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Speaker 1: is that the Giants do like both Dickerson and Conrad.

474
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: They just can't keep both of them. Dickerson was here

475
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: last year on the practice squad knows the offense. Okay,

476
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: I give him the nod over Conrad, So maybe they

477
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Speaker 1: get him to the practice squad. Maybe they don't. It

478
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: goes back to what you and I talked about yesterday.

479
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: You gotta understand if you're gonna put them out there,

480
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: you you may get you might not be able to

481
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: get them back. That's just something you come to terms with.

482
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: But if you get them back, it's a plus. Put

483
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: them on the practice squad. This position, you never know.

484
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: There's guys that get hurt all the time in this league,

485
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: especially at this position. Because the Titan position is catching

486
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: balls across the middle, you're blocking. There's all these things

487
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: that can happen. I'm with you there you go. So

488
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: four nine offensive lineman, Well, we know the five starters,

489
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: so I don't think we need to go over there.

490
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: So the question is the four that we kept as

491
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Speaker 1: the backups? I have Spencer Pulley, Nick Gates, Brian Mahoalick,

492
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Speaker 1: and Evan Brown who was on the final fifty three

493
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Speaker 1: last year. Those were the four that I kept. Interesting, well,

494
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: I did go with nine because we we all we

495
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: hit the numbers the same. You have the five starters

496
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Speaker 1: that we talked about. Um, I'm going with Chad Wheeler

497
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Speaker 1: as the swing tackle. Okay, Um, I'm also going with

498
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: Chad Slade, Spence Napoli and Nick Gates. Now slating Gates.

499
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: They played a well They played well enough in the

500
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Speaker 1: preseason in my mind to make this team. I have

501
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: heard Shermer talk about these guys, especially Adam Gates. Okay Gates.

502
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Speaker 1: Adam Gates, who is the long lost cousin of Adam Gates.

503
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: We could mention, uh, Gates is a is a football player.

504
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: I know the Shermer likes him. They kept him last

505
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: year on and I feel like that he's they just

506
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: do both have played so our our difference there is

507
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: you kept and I kept Evan Brown, who was on

508
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: the roster last year. I almost feel as if the

509
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: he's the forgotten child all of this because nobody seems

510
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: to be talking about it. But remember, just because they're

511
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: not being talked about doesn't mean that they're not put

512
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: it in the work and jumping off the practice. All right,

513
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: So we've got two different players on the offensive line.

514
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that we have disagreed on offensively.

515
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna go to the wide receiver. Well, just

516
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: real quickly in terms of more clarification, what troubles me

517
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Speaker 1: about Wheeler is the juries this offseason. It's not as if,

518
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's not familiar with the offense. There's no

519
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: doubt about that. You know, the other part of the

520
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: rationale Jeff is he did lose his starting right tackle job.

521
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about that. Now,

522
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you're not a valuable uh back

523
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: start player, because we've seen starters then become back us.

524
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Speaker 1: But the fact that they wanted to upgrade that position

525
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I think as part of the evaluation and the fact

526
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Speaker 1: that unfortunately he's just been sidelined for all the preseason.

527
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Speaker 1: Mahala got back last week. Mahalak also was on the

528
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Speaker 1: team last year and did get to start when they

529
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Speaker 1: had some injuries. Evan Brown to a guy who they've

530
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Speaker 1: been moving around during practice, has that versatility that I

531
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Speaker 1: think is appealing to hell Hunter as well as the

532
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Speaker 1: coaching staff. So you know, that was part of my

533
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Speaker 1: rational and Slade was the guy that I went more

534
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Speaker 1: back and forth with because there is a veteran this

535
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Speaker 1: is a guy that's been on the euston Texans. It's

536
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: not as if there's a rookie who just came in.

537
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Speaker 1: My concern was Slade about going to tackle and needing

538
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: a guy that has more experienced playing that spot. So

539
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: that's why mahalak to me one out. Okay, I can listen.

540
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: I think that we can go either way on a

541
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff. Absolutely, Um, you want to start

542
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: things off on the defensive side, what do we do

543
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: the wide receivers? Yees? Oh we did? You're right, I'm sorry,

544
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: that's yeah. I completely skimmed over that, all right, the

545
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: wide receivers. So I've got six just like you, Sterling Shepherd,

546
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: Cody Latimer, Benny Fowler, Russell Shepherd, Darius Slaydon and Alonzo

547
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: Russell got my final spot and that's my six, okay. Um.

548
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: I went Tate obviously on the suspended list, I helped Um.

549
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: I went with the same ones, except for I went

550
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Speaker 1: with Um Britain over Bretty Golden Alonso. It's interesting because

551
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: when we were talking yesterday, Jef, you were high on

552
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: him for special but I feel like Russell Shephard is

553
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: good enough on special teams, and I think that Darius

554
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: Slayton can contribute Okay, because he is a rookie and

555
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: he's a fifth rounder, he's definitely making the team. Um Golden,

556
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: I just there's something about when players have to step

557
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: up in games and make and make impacts. I like that.

558
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: And he did you know, he's fumbled the punt, he

559
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: still ran one back for a touchdown. He has he

560
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: has some great catches. He's a veteran. Um. I just

561
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: like I like that. Okay, now these this can change

562
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and things could happen, but those are my guys.

563
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: So um Alonso, he's a hustler. You saw that play

564
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: he made against them? Was it the Jets? Was it? Yes?

565
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's the kind of stuff you'd like to

566
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: see too. But I just feel like um Brittain made

567
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: a written goal and made a good enough impression on

568
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: me last week. Now let's see what he can do tonight.

569
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Speaker 1: He'll be playing again tonight, and let's just hop and

570
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: from my case that he does well well. And I

571
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: was with you it was Russell versus Golden. That was

572
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: my decision because I gave Golden the edge over t J.

573
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: Jones in the Special Teams department, and then I was

574
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: going back and forth and you know, part of me

575
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: was Russell's a taller wide out. He brings something a

576
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: little bit different to the table, Jeff. He's made strides

577
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: on special teams. He was on the team last year

578
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: with the practice squad, so I felt they liked his improvement.

579
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: They liked his development as opposed to just bringing in Golden,

580
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: who unfortunately missed all of last season because they discovered

581
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: a growth in his mouth, and you know, he was

582
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: with the team. It was just unfortunately medical procedure sidelined him.

583
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you and I both have Jones off

584
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: of the roster we do. Now. I believe he will

585
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: probably service somewhere. I mean, he's a good enough player,

586
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: but I just flashed enough. I think the uh, I

587
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: just you know, he he kind of flashed a little

588
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: bit at the beginning, but I don't think it did

589
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: much to to impress me at the end like Britain

590
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: Golden did. Now, um would I I would not be

591
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: surprised if if they keep Alonso over Britain. But we'll see. Okay, defense,

592
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: why don't you start with it? So on defense, we

593
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: both ended up doing twenty four players on defense. Um,

594
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I'll start with the defensive line. You've got your three

595
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: starters b J. Hill, Thom Wilson, and Lawrence. Okay um,

596
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm keeping Olson, Pierre and I'm keeping Macintosh. I'm going

597
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: with five guys. Okay um. I Slayton just missed out.

598
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: He's a seventh round draft pick. That's a basic borderline

599
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: free agent. I think McIntosh did enough for me in

600
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: the preseason this year, coming back from what he did.

601
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: He was out last year most of the year. Um

602
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: And you get Olson, Pierre and Macintosh. They're both from Miami.

603
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: That's why I kept him alone. Doesn't need any further breakdown, Jeff,

604
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we should continue the conversation,

605
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: but I had the exact same five. I'm with you, Slayton,

606
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: I think again on the practice squad. I don't think

607
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: that's a stretch. And McIntosh probably is one player who

608
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit for how far he's come along.

609
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: Jeff point because of him being sidelined with the illness.

610
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: Last year was like a red shirt year, and he

611
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: has looked really good during the course of training camp

612
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: in the preseason. He is the heck of a football

613
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: where I saw him play his senior year. Um Or

614
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: it might have been his junior or whatever year he

615
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: was this last year in Miami. Um, and I was impressed.

616
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden last year, you know,

617
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: something happened. He was on pup for a while and um,

618
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: it's like a thyroid. It was something going on there

619
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: with that. But he got it fixed up and now

620
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. So he's he's he's on the

621
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: team still, alright. So linebacker, Okay, So I went with

622
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: five outside linebackers in four inside. I'll start with the four. Okay,

623
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: You've got your two starters, which I'm gonna think are

624
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: Olga Tree and Davis. Okay, Um Connolly and stoop A

625
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: are my other two guys. Stupar and I'd say this

626
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: was the hard one because John Jonathan Anderson, Um, the

627
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Giants like him, but I think they like Stupar better

628
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: on special teams. So that I kept stu Bar because

629
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: of that. Um. On the outside linebackers, You've got your

630
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: your two starters, which is gonna be Carter and you

631
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: got Golden, and then I've got x Men and Kareem

632
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Martin okay as your two other guys. Now, Terence Fetty

633
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: is my other guy. Okay, so that's who was that

634
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I had the same exact date, did you, Yeah, and

635
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: the same exact d Alright. So Terrence Fetti is the

636
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: guy that he's a defensive linement, but he can also

637
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: flex out there to be an outside linebacker. So that's

638
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: kind of like my swing guy, if you wonder. So

639
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: there's nine and there's a five and four. Yeah, I mean,

640
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: there's really nothing to further explain because you have understand

641
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: the why you kept the ninth because of going back

642
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: and forth on the defensive front. I just feel my

643
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: thought was, and this is where I know we slightly differ.

644
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: You had ten defensive backs. I have eleven, And a

645
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: big part of my thinking here, Jeff is just the

646
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: you fit this position specifically a corner, and I think

647
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: if you're James Betcher, you're probably can't paignting to Pat Charmer.

648
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: The more the merrier, because we don't know who's gonna

649
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: pan out, who's going to have their ups and downs

650
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: as rookies, I think the more guys we can rotate. Also,

651
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: some of these guys are banged up, we're better off

652
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: from a value standpoint. So you want to read off

653
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: who your tenant Okay, So I'm keeping six cornerbacks. Jenkins, Baker, Haley,

654
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: and Valentine are your four guys, okay, Um, Beal and

655
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: Love those are my Those are my six corners. And

656
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: you could put Love at safety too if you want

657
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: it exactly. Um bell sneaks in over Ronald Ronald Zomart

658
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: to me, Zoomart is a Zoomart Um because Bill is

659
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: a third round draft pick in the supplemental, so they're

660
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna keep him. He's getting healthier, Okay, I mean he's not.

661
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: He's not down, down and out, but he's he's getting better. Um.

662
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: And then I kept four safeties. You could call it

663
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: five safeties and and five corners if you wanted to,

664
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: because of Love. But I got butthea Peppers, Thomas and

665
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: then Chandler. And I kept Chandler because he's a key

666
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: special teams pack and other key special teams got well.

667
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: And the only thing that we differed on is I

668
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: kept Antonio Hamilton's one because he's a veteran too. Because

669
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: the special teams. Again, Jeff and I think that if

670
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: Beal is not healthy, if a rookie struggles, they'd be okay,

671
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: perhaps putting in Hamilton's in that spot, knowing that he's

672
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: also very valuable on specials. Yeah, you know what we

673
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: should have done. We should have done this at the

674
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: beginning of the training camp and then and then compare

675
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: to one. We'll do that next year because I actually

676
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: I always go back. I tell people that training camp

677
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: is great and there are some there are some battles

678
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: to be won, and competition is awesome. But coming into

679
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: training camp after O t A s and mini camps

680
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: and the draft and everything, the roster is set. It

681
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: really is. You can't go and say unless you're a

682
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: team that's really rebuilding, like maybe last year. Um, but

683
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty close. And you see, it would have

684
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: been fun to see what we had picked before and

685
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: I'll see how and how many times there's there was

686
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: guys on that there was guys on the team that

687
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: we thought would make the teams that aren't on the

688
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: team anymore. It would have been interesting. So um, and

689
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: then listen, I I asked, I don't know if you

690
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: remember to do it, but there's a couple. Here's what

691
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: I came up with. My shocker cut. My shocker cut.

692
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: It would be I mean, it would be a pretty

693
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: good shock to me that this happened, But I got, Um,

694
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Kareem Martin getting cut. I was very close, and I'll

695
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: tell you why. I'll tell you why. There's a couple

696
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: of reasons why. Um, he's a he's a big money guy. Okay,

697
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: he's making a lot of money. I saw him last

698
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: week playing in the third quarter. That's you know, to me,

699
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: that tells me something. Okay, and then, um, my surprise

700
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: move is that b J Goodson has kind of been

701
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: left out of something in here. I still think that

702
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: b J Goodson, he started in the NFL as an

703
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. I still think he has some value. I

704
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: think the Giants try to get something for him, possibly,

705
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe at the at the end of the

706
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: cut stays and try to maybe try to trade him

707
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: and get a six round draft pick for him or something.

708
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, because they just you just kind of

709
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: hate to have a player like that to just loses

710
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: out on the bubble and and really give Dre he

711
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: was a draft pick for you that you don't get

712
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: anything in return. Sometimes it happens, but it's worth a shot.

713
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: So what about you. Yeah, Kareem Martin was the player

714
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: that I was going to bring up as it wouldn't

715
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: stun me if he didn't make the fifty three. That

716
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: was definitely gonna be the guy B J. Goodson also

717
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: in the conversation, listen if they go in a different

718
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: direction at tight end, Scott Simons in, I think is

719
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: another candidate. Wouldn't stun me if he doesn't make the

720
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: fifty three. So that was going to be another player.

721
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: And then I mean a guy that both you and

722
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: I did not put on the fifty three. But I

723
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: think maybe the fans would view as a stunner. Is

724
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: c J. Conrad. I think that applied to the laborer Jeff,

725
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: and I know that we didn't include him, but I

726
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: still think that would go into the surprise category, at

727
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: least in the eyes of the fans. Let me ask

728
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: you this now, I just was jotting this down when

729
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: I was taking my os for the surprise and that

730
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: and that if if the Giants are going to say,

731
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: and this this is just speculative, we're gonna we're gonna

732
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: claim two players. What positions are those two players coming from?

733
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: But they're so they're gonna go outside the roster, I

734
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: would say I could see linebacker being one on defense

735
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: and if you want me to balance it out in fairness,

736
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: I also would not be surprised if a wide receivers

737
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: let go from another team and maybe they feel that

738
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: that's an upgrade over somebody on the back end. So

739
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver linebacker would be my two positions I have

740
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: linebacker and old line, an old line, I think. I

741
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: just think that there's a lot more that the Giants

742
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: are working with this year on the offensive line, Jeff,

743
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: I feel than maybe in previous seasons where that perhaps

744
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: not in desperation mode hoping for somebody to be let go,

745
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: which tells me that maybe that that's more of a

746
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: reason to go get that claim because they have a

747
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of depth where they can bring a guy along

748
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: that hasn't been in the system because he's been on

749
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: another team somewhere. Um, another way to look at it. Yeah,

750
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: so you know, And and really it was funny because

751
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I got the rundown for our for our show the Night,

752
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of our our stuff is exactly what

753
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about, and one of them is the claims

754
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: how many you know how many they're gonna It was

755
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: a two and a half. I thought I thought two

756
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: and a half was would be a good over under.

757
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: Not that I'm you know, the Vegas guy, but no,

758
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: I think that is a good number. So that was

759
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: a good exercise. I think, you know, for the most part,

760
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: we're on the same page. We are. Um, as far

761
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: as the numbers are, that's that's a good thing. I

762
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: think we've got three or four players that we kind

763
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: of differ on, and um, we'll see what happens by

764
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: four o'clock Saturday. Absolutely all right, let's open up the

765
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: phone lines and hear from you on a variety of topics.

766
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: And two one, five, one three is presented by corps

767
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: like these Jeff Feagels on lanch Meadow, Nate and el

768
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: Mero starts us off, what's happening? Ate? What do you

769
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: my apologies? Jeff, look at it? Yeah right, So, UM,

770
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I was just calling to uh to give you my breakdown.

771
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to really talk about the actual players,

772
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: but just give the numbers, you know what I mean.

773
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: And so I pretty much was right with you with

774
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: the defensive backs. I think that that happened the I was.

775
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: I wanted Antonio on there because you never know how

776
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: how those youngsters are gonna play. So Um, I went

777
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: eleven there. Well, I only went eight linebackers, totally poor.

778
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: Four on the linebackers because um, uh, generally with the

779
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: defensive you're gonna need there are three down linemen, so

780
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna need three backup leacase of down mind lineman.

781
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: So I went with six uh defensive tackles flash defensive ends, um,

782
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: just because they're basic mask teach of the three guys

783
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: need to back up. And so I know, I know

784
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: you could swap out a few of those. Uh, you

785
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: can use the cleaners. Uh, you know, the rough linebackers

786
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: who can pump inside. So so I figured that's why

787
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: you could short the linebacker position. UM. On offense, I

788
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: figured we just keep two quarterbacks and the letta goes

789
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: on on the practice squad. Um practice squads. I know

790
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: we're all high on the Letta, but the rest of

791
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: the he's a fourth romfix from last year, and the

792
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: rest of the league doesn't know who he is, you know. So,

793
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I know who he is, obviously, but it's

794
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: not like the rest of the world that arm time

795
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: stand and so uh, I think that with the way

796
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: Jones is played, there's no reason for a third I

797
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: love I love Tanny. I think he's a great quarterback.

798
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: I just don't see a need for him. I'm on

799
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: the roster when you need when you have so many

800
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: other needs. Uh, just keeping keep in mind. One thing

801
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: to not overlook, Nate is last year the Giants kept

802
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks before they made all those claims. So just

803
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: some food for thought. But which is another reason why

804
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: Shermer values quarterback None. None of the quarter quarterbacks the

805
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: last year was backups were the quality of Jones. That's fair.

806
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean, well, Tanny, Tanny though, was at least an

807
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: experienced veteran who they still had on the roster. Yeah,

808
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: he's an experienced veteran, but he was not He wasn't.

809
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't the future of the franchise. I agree, and

810
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: like like he's was saying earlier, Um, when if doctor

811
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: get hurt, that is the perfect hand out point. That

812
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: is the way that you could hand it off to

813
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: Jones without their being a way that the fans. We

814
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: talked about that yesterday. He's there, that's the I mean,

815
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: I I don't I don't think that that's necessarily the truth.

816
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: Just because Tanny's on the roster doesn't mean he's a

817
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: threat to replace Eli over Jones. I don't like that,

818
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: Lant was saying earlier. If he if he liked her

819
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: and Jones and Kandy are on the on the roster

820
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: at the same time, then there's a controversy. Well, why

821
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: don't we get to Sammy and say that, you know,

822
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: maybe we could save the season? He said, no, but

823
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you handle you hand it off the Jones. Yeah.

824
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: But but as Jeff and I talked about earlier, Nate,

825
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: even if Eli does get hurt and Jones and Tanny

826
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: are on the roster, they easily could turn to Jones

827
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: and Tanny's just on the roster. I mean, I don't

828
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: think there's controversy there. And then Lanson mentioned too that

829
00:41:52,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: they're part of Tanning Hello Hello, Hello, Well yeah, I

830
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: know want you know, I'm not trying to you know,

831
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: one it's you know, it's one person's thing over the other.

832
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: It's not that nobody's right, So I'm not trying to

833
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: be right. I was just just giving you my my scenario.

834
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: Why I thought the way, why are speaking the way

835
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: I did? So? But uh, And as far as the

836
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: running back, I'm really on the fit between Ron Smith

837
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: and Perkins and up until Uh. To be honest with you,

838
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: if if if number twenty one down and doubt wasn't

839
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: holding out, I always caught ron Smith and keep Perkins. Uh.

840
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: But and and hope that because I'm guessing that. Uh. Anyway,

841
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going well as to answer you a questioned,

842
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have more than enough options. We can sneak

843
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: um perkincts the sad. Okay, well, give me just n

844
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: nate for the sake of time. Just what what's the

845
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: rest of your breakdown, because we obviously want to get

846
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: to a number of other calls. So what just just

847
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: for offers the lawn. Okay, I think I think I

848
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: was pretty much. Well, just just just date we have

849
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: to hang up, just go through the numbers because because

850
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have time for the rationale for everything.

851
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: That's what we're We're fine hearing out. Just not offensive

852
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: line nine and six wide receivers. Okay, got you appreciate

853
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: the phone call. Thanks so much for're weighing in. We

854
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: just want to keep things moving. If we sit here

855
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: and break down everybody's breakdown of the roster, we're not

856
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna have time for since you would not letting me spinish.

857
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: What I was telling you about that, we talked about

858
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: it earlier, that there is more intangibles than to to

859
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: Alex Tanney than being just you know, in a game.

860
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: And that's what you mentioned. That's what return. That's exactly

861
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: what I was getting at all. Right, choose one five,

862
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. Let's go to Brendan

863
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: and Queens. Brendon, what's happening? How are we doing? Brandon Brendon,

864
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: go on, yes, Hello, Hello, how's everything going? Good? God?

865
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Um? Just had a

866
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: couple of questions that thing they all tied together. Um,

867
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was actually listening to your show yesterday.

868
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: Mike from Florida. I'm taking his uh, taking his advice.

869
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm taking Air's advice to Lance. Um, I'm from from Queens,

870
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: but I've been calling it as Brandon from Florida, So

871
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: it's Brandon from Queens. Now it's a movement. Now everybody

872
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: wants to align with New York City, just really, really quickly.

873
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Where do you guys see Alex Tanney's value as a

874
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: backup for another team in the league? Kind of maybe

875
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: like the Colts with Andrew look going um, you know,

876
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: retiring and their backup becoming their their starting quarterback. Now, well,

877
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: you know what's funny because I saw on the wire

878
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks the Indianasa's Colts are bringing in. And

879
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: these guys are garbage they're bringing in. So Alex Tanney,

880
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a good shot of landing some.

881
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it just depends on the on the team,

882
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: I guess, you know. I mean, the guy is a

883
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: he's a smart guy. You know. Is he ever going

884
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: to be a Pro Bowl quarterback? No, he's going to

885
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. No, those kinds of things. But you

886
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: know what he's he's valuable to a team because of

887
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: what he's here for. With Courch Schermer has said, I

888
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: want a veteran backup that can come in and yeah,

889
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to practice. He can come into a

890
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: game and get me through a game and then we'll

891
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: deal with it after that. That's that's Alex Cannon. Interestingly,

892
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: Alex Sandy was actually on the Colts practice squad before

893
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: he came. He was with Tennessee before he okay, but

894
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: he was with the Colts practice squad a few years ago. Yeah, Okay,

895
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: So with that kind of my follow up question would be, Um,

896
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: I I like what I've seen from him. I think

897
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: he's helping Daniel Jones developed as well. He's had veteran

898
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: quarterback no the knowledge that, like you said, not just

899
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: on the field, off the field as well in the

900
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: video rooms. Um, but because of how Daniel Jones has

901
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: shown us that he's developed. And of course you guys

902
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: have said, Um, if joh forbid something had happened to Eli,

903
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: it would be easier for transition going to him that way.

904
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: Would you guys consider, I mean, with my quarterbacks on

905
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: your fifty three, I had Tanny staying as the third

906
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: quarterback and Letter going to the practice squad, would you

907
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: guys considered possibly getting like trading him, Um, not as

908
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: soon as the season starts, but maybe three or four

909
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: games into the season, trading Tanny for a fifth six

910
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: pick if it's possible, and then trying to bring Loletta

911
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: back into the UH into that third spot. And I'll

912
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: take your guys, thank you appreciate. I don't think anybody's

913
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: gonna trade for Alex Tanny. Agree just there. I think

914
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: you'll explore other options if you can't get Alex Tanny

915
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: in a trade. Yeah yeah, so, um, but I mean

916
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: he could be valuable to another team if he is

917
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: expendable here so well, And that also maybe a reason

918
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: why you keep Alex Tanny, to the caller's point, because

919
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: if somebody you know, does realize he's out on the market,

920
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: they're likely to bring him in. So WHI is the

921
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts if they're looking for added depth now that

922
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brisette and company moving up the depth chart, So

923
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: whereas Loletta may be more of a developmental guy that

924
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: a team that's really in need of a quarterback may

925
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: want to go with a more experienced guy, greater chance

926
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: he ends up on the practice squad. Just another part

927
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: of the dialogue under discussion here, no question. Let's add

928
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. Mike is in New York. Mike,

929
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: welcome aboard. What do you got for us? Alright, guys,

930
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: how are you doing a right? Mike? Alright? I got

931
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: I got six on offense? Defense? Um quickly? Uh, Jesse

932
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: kind of got me yesterday. So I went from three

933
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: to two quarterbacks and I went to three. Um, I

934
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: got four running backs and I'm including that, okay, I'm

935
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: Chithan Perkins. Uh seven wide receivers both Stepherds, Ladi A. Fowler,

936
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: Slayton Russell, and t J. Jones. Now this that's on.

937
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: I got four tight ends. But the only reason I

938
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: do the only reason I'm keeping Simonson is that I

939
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: heard some are one the ESPN is something that he

940
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: was actually um cut for some technicality and his contract

941
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: and um they had to they had to resign him

942
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: back because it was a salary cap. He was never cut, Mike,

943
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: he was never cut. It was something about being filed

944
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: with the league. It wasn't clear, so the Giants had

945
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: to file the corresponding paperwork. He was never let go

946
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: from the roster during all of a Yeah, okay, thank

947
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: you for that. I just that's the only reason I

948
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: included him in a list. Nine offensive lineman I'm keeping

949
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: just saying, uh Gates, Mahalic and Brown. Alright, yeah, he's

950
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: got the exact group that I have. And then what

951
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: about on defense? Defense? Uh five lineman arn Ll, Thomlins

952
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: and McKintosh and Pierre for outside linebackers called jim as

953
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: Martin and Golden Martin. I like you guys are saying,

954
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: I just didn't I don't understand why he's on this,

955
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he does a heck of

956
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: a lot when he's out there. You might knock down

957
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: the pastor two, but um, I just don't. I don't

958
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: see him as being a mobile, real good outside linebacker.

959
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: But anyhow, um, and of course Marcus Golden uh four

960
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: inside linebackers hope to be commonly Tay Davis. And I'm

961
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna reverse course and go with goods and just just

962
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: because I'm going there, so anyhow, and how many of

963
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: seven quarterbacks? Um? Like you Lance, I'm keeping Hamilton's um.

964
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: And then the whatever you guys said, I got four safeties? Um,

965
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: actually four, but we actually got five like you said,

966
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: because love can slip into that. Yeah. Well, I uh,

967
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: I got Chandler and Thomas and and of course special

968
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: teams Rose, Stots, Dixon and Zack. And that makes my

969
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: fifty three UM practice squad quickly Hillman well uh Lambdetta Um,

970
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: Sean Ledetto or Shawn Ladett is not eligible for the

971
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: practice squad. I can tell you that. And Mike, I

972
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: think I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.

973
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: Receiver or something, well, Um, Reggie White Jr. Carl Lock Dickerson, slate.

974
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: How how whatever, Golden Brittany Britty Golden, pretty Golden is

975
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: not eligible for the practice squad. He's been in the

976
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: league too long. I can tell you that, and and

977
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: I would guarantee you Mike and Listen will let you

978
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: go on that and appreciate the football that it's highly

979
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: unlikely that I think they're not going to at least

980
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: maybe try to claim somebody not on the roster for

981
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: the practice squad. Normally you bring in somebody that may

982
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: have been appealing to you. I mean grant that they

983
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: could very well go with ten guys who are on

984
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: the roster, but I would think somebody's gonna be claimed

985
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: and deprived them. The opportunity from coming back to the

986
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: practice qu will come from the roster. Yeah, but then

987
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: usually at least one or two guys, Jeff, out of

988
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: that ten is probably somebody that hadn't been in camp

989
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: appeal to them on film or whatever it may be.

990
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: So good stuff. Yeah, you're on. You're more on the

991
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: Lance spandwagon than mind. He was very close to my breakdown,

992
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: no doubt. Very good. Let's head back to the phone

993
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: lines as we continue to move along here on Big

994
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off, live len Is in Columbia, Lenn, what's happening, Hey, guys,

995
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: how you doing good? Right? Okay, here's where we go.

996
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: What are you starting? No? No, uh no, no trades.

997
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: Hold your draft picks, holds your draft picks. Try to

998
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: accumulate draft picks as you can. You let bet your

999
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: have twenty four picks, you let Sula have twenty four picks,

1000
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: You let mcgahey have five picks. And of course Sherman

1001
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: makes the final decision on all of that. Okay, I

1002
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: like that. I like that content him. Yeah, that's where

1003
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: we're going. Mcgaye. He's got to have it. He's got

1004
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to, you know, pick two guys

1005
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: when you know, and he wants to decide on who

1006
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: the punter is. Again, Sherman has final decision. But I

1007
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: think I think those you know, the coordinators have to have,

1008
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, some some sort of major input on this.

1009
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm going with I'm going with ten d backs, four

1010
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: and six. I got Hambleton. I'm worried a little bit

1011
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: about Beal's injury. I'm worried a little bit about Baker's injury.

1012
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: We gotta have the sixth corner and it doesn't hurt

1013
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: us on specials. I'm keeping Goodson. It's the n FC

1014
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: eats six games from Thanksgiving on. We need a thumper.

1015
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: The other three teams in this division are gonna emphasize

1016
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: the run. We need a thumper, even if it costs

1017
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: us a little speed. A linebacker. Goodson makes this team. Um,

1018
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm keeping six defensive linemen. I like the rookie. I

1019
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: like the seventh round pick. He's big, strong, powerful. I mean,

1020
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta keep guys like that. You gotta

1021
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: keep power guys again, NFC eas You've gotta keep power

1022
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: guys um offensive side, three quarterbacks, five wide receivers guys,

1023
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: five wide receivers. Um. If mcgahe he sees somebody who

1024
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: can play special teams, that's his Uh, you know he

1025
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: gets that pick. I'm keeping eight offensive lineman, so I'm

1026
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: going and five. The three backups are Slade Gates and

1027
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: Evan Brown. I'm going to war with those fifty three guys.

1028
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Let's go Giants. That's a good I like that. That's

1029
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: that's that's good. I like I like the way he

1030
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: broke it down. Giving mcgahey five players, obviously you get

1031
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: the three specialists and two other guys that you need

1032
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: to be. Who are those guys? Is it's Stupar. I

1033
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: think it's stup A definitely not on this team if

1034
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: he's just gonna play linebacker. Um, And who's the other

1035
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: got you got? Hamilton's okay, he's another guy. Wressell. Russell

1036
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: Shepherd to me, by default is one of his guys

1037
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: because he's essentially on all four teams. But you know,

1038
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: maybe he wants another wide receiver. Maybe he's impressed with Russell. Uh,

1039
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: that's certainly a part of the conversation. You know. The

1040
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: other thing that we haven't really thought about much. Return.

1041
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, an offensive lineman being a special

1042
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: teamer too, Well, at time, you gotta have him. You

1043
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: gotta have one. You gotta have one back there on

1044
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: on kickoff return. You probably you don't have a lot

1045
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: of him on punt return, howtho, although you do remember,

1046
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: like carry Winn was a special teams demon. Um he was,

1047
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: he was a defensive lineman. So uh, a guy like

1048
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: Macintosh could be that guy. Slayton could be that guy

1049
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: if he makes the roster. Um, you know. So yeah,

1050
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's a good point. The other one is

1051
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: that you know, look at the return position. You know

1052
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: who who's our guys? That Ladimir and it's gonna be

1053
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: another return guy. And you've got Peppers. Um, I think

1054
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: those are gonna be your kickoff and your punt turned guy.

1055
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you. I think that the part

1056
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: return is not only Jabril Peppers, It'll be It'll be

1057
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: by committee. I believe, probably definitely two guys. Maybe the

1058
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: third one gets gets some love in there. Maybe it's

1059
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's Britain Golden if he makes the team. Um.

1060
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it's c J. Jones if he makes the team. Um.

1061
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: But certainly I think you have some guys there. Listen. Um.

1062
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: Shepherd can return punts in a pinch. I mean, if

1063
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: you need for for you know, ball security, he'll catch

1064
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: the ball, give the ball back to the offense and

1065
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: be done with it. Yeah. I think there's a lot

1066
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: of options on the roster. Peppers and Lattimer maybe the

1067
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: first guys on the list Sterling, Shepherd can do special returns.

1068
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: Darius Slaydon has the capability to be a return guy.

1069
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: So I think Corey Ballantine is another guy that is

1070
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: more than they used him a lot of return I

1071
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: named what three more guys on top of the two

1072
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: you named and Pepper's Latimer. I don't think that they're

1073
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: overly concerned about running out of options. And then when

1074
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: Golden Take comes back, Kate, it's all more than capable

1075
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: of being a return guy. So, I mean, we just

1076
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: named what like five guys in the rotation. That's good

1077
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: to have options the first four weeks of the season

1078
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: you'll have And the theme here as we build this

1079
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: roster the Giants build this roster going for the two

1080
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen season is is depth. We just mentioned five

1081
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: guys that basically could do returns. Okay, that's a good thing. Um.

1082
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: We had a lot of discussion about that secondary and

1083
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: how many guys there um can play. I mean, you've

1084
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: got some good depth there too, even at the safety position. Finally,

1085
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: the last few years you've had depth, but you guys

1086
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: have just never been able to be on the field.

1087
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: Um on paper, you said, wow, this looks pretty good,

1088
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: but nobody could ever stay healthy. Um, I think the

1089
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: linebacking position is the one to me that's just a

1090
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: little unsettled at this point. Evolved for everything. I just

1091
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: don't know who, Like, I mean, we made our picks

1092
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I think there's some go to guys here,

1093
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of a lot of things that

1094
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: can happen here with this linebacking position. Well. B J.

1095
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: Goodson is a wild card right now, Nate Stupa, Jonathan

1096
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: and special team. There's just some things there that guys

1097
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: are I think they're all pretty pretty equal when it

1098
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: comes down to and and uh, you know, as the

1099
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: caller had mentioned Kareem Martin, I I just you know,

1100
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot out of Kaream last year.

1101
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: He's been in a betcher defense. So maybe he's you

1102
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: know a little bit better this year because he knows

1103
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: his personnel around him. You got Marcus Golden on the

1104
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: other side, which he played with in in Arizona, so

1105
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: maybe that kind of lights a fire on him. I

1106
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: don't know. But well, and I think the big part

1107
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: of it is when you and I were talking earlier

1108
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: about where would they likely make a claim, and I

1109
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: threw out linebacker on defense. If somebody's let go more

1110
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: so on the edge than the interior correct who's got

1111
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: a track record of getting after the quarterback, then in

1112
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: all likelihood they'll probably put a claim in for that individual.

1113
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: And you know somebody's going to be expendable, and it

1114
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: may be a Kareem Martin per se if he ultimately

1115
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: makes the fifty three. So that would not surprise me

1116
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: because I think if you look at the sacks on

1117
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: this team, if they have somebody with a stronger track record,

1118
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: there's room to add that to the There's no doubt

1119
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: about that. Very interesting. Let's head back to the phone, Lie,

1120
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: did you want to add up? Okay, we'll try to

1121
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: squeeze it a few more calls before we wrap up shop.

1122
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: Freddie is in Richmond. Freddie, welcome to the program. What

1123
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: do you got for us? Hey, guys, Um just curious

1124
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: based off your roster predictions, what do you guys have

1125
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: as like the starting pick return and punt returner. Well,

1126
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: we just talked about it. Yeah, I think that uh,

1127
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: I think Ladimir will be your guy Um for the

1128
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: kickoff return. I think that Um Valentine will be the backup,

1129
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: and I think that Jabrill Peppers will be your primary

1130
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: punt return guy. And then behind him you'll have either

1131
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: t J. Jones or Britain Golden or one of those

1132
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: other guys. Darius Slayton there, Lance had just mentioned um

1133
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: one of the younger guys or one of the other

1134
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: veterans on the team, and once Tate comes back, tight

1135
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: to me, is going to be probably the primary backup

1136
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: punt returner behind Peppers, or they'll even work them both

1137
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: in it. And Sterling Shepherd can can catch punts. I

1138
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: mean if you have to get a sticking back there

1139
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: to get get the ball and give it back to

1140
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: the offense, and he'll be fine with that. Okay. And

1141
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm surprised both of you guys like you think that TJ. Jones.

1142
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: I thought he really good in preseason. Well, Freddie, first

1143
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: of all, can you do me a favor, I think

1144
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: you got your computer up in the background, if you

1145
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: can lower that, because we're we're hearing ourselves in the background.

1146
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: As far as your question about t J. Jones, I

1147
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: think it goes back to Jeff's conversation that we had earlier,

1148
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: where one, you can't get too high on a guy

1149
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: based on one preseason game. I think that's the easy

1150
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: trick to fall for. I remember I bring this up

1151
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot Israela Donna j there was the off season

1152
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: he came in and he really shined in the preseason.

1153
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: He was tripping up guys he was getting after the quarterback,

1154
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: and Kerry Win ultimately made the roster over him, and

1155
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: anybody who watched the preseason is like, what's going on here?

1156
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: So just because he flashed with a few catches in

1157
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: the end zone and I think t J. Jones is

1158
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: a productive player, I just look at it as if

1159
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: it comes down to special teams, Jeff, and you hit

1160
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: on this yesterday, Joe Owns is not gonna be on

1161
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: your coverage team whereas some of these other guys could

1162
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: be on your coverage teams. It's not about the return.

1163
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: I think they've got enough return, Jeff. I think where

1164
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: they may be lacking is who at the wide receiver

1165
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: position can run out and tackle a guy on coverage.

1166
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: That to me holds more value right now than who

1167
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: could return kick off punts. And that's why he doesn't

1168
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: make the team, because there's other guys in this roster

1169
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: to play better special teams than him, and that's why

1170
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't make the roster. Okay, thank you, guys already

1171
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. And you know, once again, we

1172
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: we talked about this all preseason, about special teams, and

1173
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: you know we say that the roster is pretty much

1174
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: done coming into training camp. That other ten percent is

1175
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: back in guys and special teamers. Okay, and look at

1176
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: who's and who's made an impacts on special teams. You know,

1177
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: you've got Hamilton's is a guy that can he's played

1178
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: special teams. Russell. You've got Britain Golden who made a

1179
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: great return last week. And so these are the guys

1180
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: that we didn't know about those guys coming in to

1181
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: training camp, but we know about him now. They can

1182
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: play special teams. Stu Bar is a guy that you know, yeah,

1183
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: he started some games last year because of injuries, but

1184
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: you know he's not a normal household starter. He's a

1185
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: special teams guy. He makes it over Jonathan Anderson because

1186
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 1: he's not as good a special teams guy as Matt

1187
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: stu Bar. Yeah. Well, and even when Stupart was with

1188
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: the Saints before the Giants, that's what he did a

1189
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: special teams guy. He did play a little linebacker, but

1190
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: he was mainly a special teams gay. And he can

1191
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: play linebacker if he's just not a great one, you know,

1192
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want him in there because that

1193
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: means something that has happened to the guys in front

1194
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: of him correct, and that sometimes is happening in the

1195
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: NFL because just your depth chart is depleted by injuries

1196
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to lean on those guys.

1197
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: But there's also value in having somebody reliable for Thomas mcgahey,

1198
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: the special teams coach, that he could put out there

1199
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: and have confidence that he's going to understand the field

1200
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: and the dimensions to make plays. And there's value in that. No.

1201
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: I like the way that Lynn did the you know,

1202
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: the offense gets picks. These guys get to four five

1203
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: on special team. I just have never seen it that way,

1204
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: and I don't want to give him too much credit,

1205
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: but I mean it was it was a good way

1206
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: to look at it. It is a good way to

1207
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: look at it. But I do think that the defensive

1208
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: positional coaches and the offensive positional coaches are probably gonna

1209
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a battle royale with that

1210
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: mindset well with him, because they may look at another

1211
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: guy who holds a little bit more value in contributing

1212
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: to their side of the field. There's no doubt about that.

1213
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: But let's not be naive. McGahee certainly is going to

1214
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: give his feedback on who he thinks would add something

1215
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: more to the roster. Might come say I need Aletta.

1216
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: He's a better holder than Dixon if he may say that. Yeah,

1217
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: and then Pat Sherber is gonna have to ultimately break

1218
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: the tie up to those circumstances. And you know what,

1219
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: Like I said with how I think Coach Shermer views quarterbacks,

1220
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he necessarily put up a fight there,

1221
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: because if he was up to him, he'd find the

1222
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: way to keep all four. Let's head back to the

1223
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: phone lines. We got Charlie in Portland, Maine. How can

1224
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: we not hear from Charlie. Let's see if his phone

1225
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: is actually a little a bit better. All right, Charlie,

1226
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: you have me on hold so long my battery died.

1227
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: Well that's good. Then we know the trick of the trade. Now,

1228
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: good plan, Good plan, guys. Hey, look, I just want

1229
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: to say, I think you guys got Peppers doing everything.

1230
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: You got him catch him punch, you got him as

1231
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: the protector on when when you do punt, then you

1232
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: got him all over the defense. This guy is going

1233
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: to be injured after two weeks. I come on, calm down,

1234
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: this guy. You ain't gonna do everything. Charlie, You're you're

1235
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: you're the same mindset of the individual that should put

1236
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham in bubble wrap and say quant Barkley and well, no,

1237
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: because that's where it is from. Well, yeah, because Antonio Brown.

1238
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: You should have a conversation with Mike Tomlin and ask

1239
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: him why you played Antonio Brown all those years as

1240
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: a return guy. Did Antonio Brown get hurt? It's like

1241
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: six extra plays again, come on, I mean, you can't,

1242
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: but you can't rely on a guy to be doing

1243
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: a hundred things. What if he gets injured and all

1244
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, what if what if he gets injured

1245
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: on the first play play safety? I mean to come on,

1246
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: it's football. You're gonna I mean, you're gonna have to

1247
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: play the game injured. I mean that you can't think

1248
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: that way all the time. That's why so many people

1249
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: think about that. And it's like what Land said. You know,

1250
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: how come Antonio Brown played kickoff for point return for

1251
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers all the time? You think they care? You

1252
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: put your best players on the field. A fact, more

1253
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: you play, the better chance that you're getting injured. Yeah,

1254
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: so base so based on that, that means that you

1255
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: should limit the amount of plays your starters get on

1256
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: the field, according to that logic, Charlie, Yeah, well, how

1257
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: how does it not? No, No, I don't, I don't

1258
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: understand according to you. Yeah, but nobody's saying that Peppers

1259
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: is also going to be playing every single play. They're

1260
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Speaker 1: also probably gonna take him out for a defensive play

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Speaker 1: or two here, or they're depending on how game plays out. Well,

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: what do you wait? So what are you focusing on defense?

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Speaker 1: That's what he should be focused. He should also be

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Speaker 1: focusing on helping the team win, which is what the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff wants him to do. Okay, this is my thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're only gonna keep seven offensive tim in and this

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01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: is the reason because we're gonna put Evans and a

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01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: couple of others on the practice squad, and we're also

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: going to pick up a veteran tackle swing tackle. So

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Speaker 1: that's why we're keeping seven, and then when we add

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Speaker 1: the tackle it will be eight. But I would just

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Speaker 1: keep seven offensive lineman period and have a couple on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad because when they get a shirt. Eight

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: offensive linemen never get shirts. You're lucky. If you get

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Speaker 1: six or seven. We'll get a shirt on game day.

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Speaker 1: You don't need them just sitting on the bench. You don't.

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Speaker 1: You can bring them up from the practice squad if

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Speaker 1: they get injury. Keep in mind that they had nine,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and the roster last year. Just saying

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Speaker 1: I know, but it's a waste. It is a waste.

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Speaker 1: It's a waste. You'd say two roster spot just doing that.

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Speaker 1: And then on the back end, you don't need four

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01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: safeties because Love is going to play corner and safety.

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01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: So you take six cornerbacks and only three safeties, and

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: you save another roster spot for something else, for another

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver, for another uh, defensive line, and you don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need nine linebackers. All you need

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01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: is eight, and you can save another spot there. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, and quarterbacks, he's look Sherman's gonna have three.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna go with two. I bet I bet

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Speaker 1: you twenty pounds of lobsters that he will never go

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Speaker 1: with two quarterbacks. He's a quarterback guy. He loves quarterbacks

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01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: and he wants him on his team. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have three. I don't know, we shouldn't have I mean,

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01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: it should be Lindetta not Lindetta what's his name, Leta,

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01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: They're all the same anyway, it should be him. It

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01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't be Danny because we don't need him anymore because

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the Hall of Fame preseason player, so

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: he should be the backup. So I want to see

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01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: what happens tonight. I want to see the Patriots get

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01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: after Daniel Jones. And I got I bet you were

1302
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: going to see the arrow pointing down after this game

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: with him, because if he's going to get a pass

1304
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: rush that he hasn't seen in a long ever and

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01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: Belichick is going to make this guy look like he

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01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 1: is a rookie, oh my god. Alright, First of all,

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01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots are none of the starters are playing, so

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01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: their backups are gonna They're gonna have a game plan

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones tonight. They're gonna twist and they're gonna blitz,

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01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try to get after Daniel Jones because

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: because they hate the Giants and they they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: after him. That that's what it is. Well, I mean

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01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 1: I hope not. I hope not. I mean I hope

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: our backup offensive linemen are as good as we say

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01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: they are because evidently the Patriots have a heck of

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: a pass rush coming at us. It's the one and

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: and and Charlie, none of us, none of us are

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: correct or wrong. I mean you you can the rash

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01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: now is you can do whatever you want. I mean,

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: you can take you can take only half. But you

1321
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: gotta remember if you have seven offensive lineman and he

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01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: is correct, you know a lot of the guys don't

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01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: get a shirt on game day. But you also, Lance

1324
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: brought up the point that you need some lineman to

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Speaker 1: play special teams. Still, okay, so you have the defense,

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01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: you have a kid. You have to actually have field

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01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: goal and field goal rush, so you gotta have some

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01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: big bodies. Now, field goal rush is usually your defensive guys. Okay,

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01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: but offensive you know, and then on your field goal

1330
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: you have you have your starting offensive line there. But

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Speaker 1: but for the wedge on the kickoff return, Okay, um,

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: you gotta have some of those guys. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to have five of them, but you need a couple

1334
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: of you. Listen, you gotta have too active because if

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Speaker 1: you get to lineman hurt and you don't have to

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: active offensive lineman, you're done. So there's seven right there,

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Speaker 1: you have to have on game day, no matter what,

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: you usually have the eighth one, and so there's usually

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01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: the ninth guy didn't get a shirt, okay or something

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01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, So I mean, what we haven't we

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01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: have them then inactive All American team, where you know,

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: the guys never get a shirt on game day. They

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Speaker 1: go and they're just they're not they're glorified practice squad

1344
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: guy on a on a regular roster, that's usually that lineman,

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Speaker 1: that's usually that linebacker that doesn't play, this receiver on

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01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: the third quarterback, cornerback to me. So that's what that is. Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 1: the only thing that Charlie did say that I can

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01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from with respect to three safeties

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Speaker 1: with Julian Love on the roster. I don't think that's crazy.

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01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: You know, if they wanted the part ways with Seawan

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01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: Chandler or whatever it may be, that that I don't

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Speaker 1: think is a stretch. No, it's not. But I went

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Speaker 1: I went with Chandler because of the special and I

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01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: went with Chandler too for that very reason. But what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is, if let's say they really want to

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Speaker 1: keep an extra player at a different position. I think

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01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: you'd be okay if you had Michael Thomas and the

1358
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: two starters, knowing Julian Love and a Pinch could play safety.

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Speaker 1: That's not crazy, that's not crazy at all. It could

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 1: certainly work out that way. And you know, and Chandler

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Speaker 1: he would maybe he would could he could come in

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01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: and and and give Jabrill Peppers as somebody a blow

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: for something. But he's going to be a primary, you know,

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Speaker 1: thirty five, a special teams guy if he's active. Yeah,

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: and remember Chandler played an active role when they made

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: the switch with Curtis Riley last season, so it's not

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Speaker 1: as if he doesn't have experience being in there in

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Speaker 1: terms of playing that position. Well, that is going to

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Speaker 1: wrap up things for us here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: A reminder the game is tonight. It is a seven

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Speaker 1: thirty five kickoff, So Jeff and I will be starting

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Speaker 1: on w f AN at six thirty five tonight with

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Speaker 1: our pregame show as we will get you set for

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Speaker 1: the final preseason contest. Big Blue Kickoff Live back up

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Speaker 1: and running tomorrow at one pm Eastern. And I believe

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Speaker 1: if I saw an email, correct Jeff. Before we wrap

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Speaker 1: up that we have confirmed all shows starting next Monday

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Speaker 1: for the regular season is going to go to one

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Speaker 1: thirty pm Eastern, So we just wanted to throw that

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Speaker 1: out to you. Starting next week when we go to

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Speaker 1: our regular season schedule, one thirty pm Eastern is going

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Speaker 1: to be the new time for the show. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: John and Paul will remind you tomorrow for that, but

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Speaker 1: we thought we'd at least throw that out once again.

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Speaker 1: We're on WFN at six thirty five pm Eastern tonight.

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Speaker 1: You could listen on tune in. You could also listen

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Speaker 1: on w f a n dot com for Jeff Eagles.

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01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the game and always stay locked

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Speaker 1: to Giants dot com. We're out