Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And it is April second, two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: twenty three days in counting until the Cowboys don't have
Speaker 1: a draft pick on the first day of the two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen NFL Draft on April twenty fifth, So it's
Speaker 1: twenty four days in counting until the Cowboys do have
Speaker 1: a draft pick unless there's a trade. Welcome to Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get fired up for this draft. Now.
Speaker 1: You got fired up, Brian about three or four months ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to draft right now. That's right. I'm just
Speaker 1: now getting into it. I'm just now starting to fill
Speaker 1: up my big green NFL Draft scouting note there it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But hey, how you doing. I'm good, good good. I'm
Speaker 1: not fired up yet? Why not? I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: just not. This is the week to get fired up. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the right week. Try to tell us Rob,
Speaker 1: what's going on? This week. This is top thirty visits
Speaker 1: week right Dallas Day on Friday where they bring in
Speaker 1: local prospects, so and names always start to filter out.
Speaker 1: Huge advantage they have over other teams around the league,
Speaker 1: for sure, because there's sometimes there's top guys betimes, there's
Speaker 1: top guys from the area that you don't have to
Speaker 1: spend a thirty visit on. Yeah, they technically they qualified
Speaker 1: to just come in on Friday. Yeah, yep. It's a
Speaker 1: good way to do it, yep. And it's worked in
Speaker 1: the past as well. Yeah, they always seem to these
Speaker 1: thirty visits seem to allow them to the opportunity to
Speaker 1: get to know these guys a little bit better. You know,
Speaker 1: you've had this whole year now of a football season,
Speaker 1: you've had a Senior Bowl, you've had a combine, you've
Speaker 1: had now the thirty visits, and then you go put
Speaker 1: this board together. But the thirty I just always felt
Speaker 1: like though they pay really close attention those thirty visits.
Speaker 1: It might be one or two names, it might be
Speaker 1: three names, but pay attention. This is there's a reason
Speaker 1: why that they bring these kids in because they want
Speaker 1: to get to know them a little bit better. Maybe
Speaker 1: you want to have Stephen and Jerry have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to visit with them a little closer. They don't maybe
Speaker 1: get to do that at the combine as much. So Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this is a one of those times. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed this because I enjoyed this time of the thirty
Speaker 1: visits because I always wanted to get you kind of
Speaker 1: see what kind of kids these are. I mean the
Speaker 1: personalities and stuff. You know, outgoing, well spoken, you know, quiet, shy.
Speaker 1: What do you have to do to maybe you know?
Speaker 1: And it helps you when you start comparing them to
Speaker 1: other kids on that board. You're saying, hey, we brought
Speaker 1: this kid in we feel good about and what about
Speaker 1: the grades? Grades are equal, playing ability equal, medical equal?
Speaker 1: What can maybe shift it one way or another? And
Speaker 1: you know, again the guy like Deebo Samuel coming in here,
Speaker 1: wider siering, he's talked about, you know, he's actually on
Speaker 1: social media, he's put out, there's been in the locker
Speaker 1: room and stuff. So no surprise there. But yeah, Mickey's guy. Hey,
Speaker 1: you get to know a little bit more about him,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a good thing. And you're getting
Speaker 1: to know a little bit more about these players. I
Speaker 1: think that is why the interest in the draft has
Speaker 1: skyrocketed the last fifteen years, ever since YouTube became a
Speaker 1: player in our society, because people like me, people like
Speaker 1: fans out there. We can now go on YouTube and
Speaker 1: go online and find out as as much as as
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, that about these players and whether watching
Speaker 1: tape of them or interviews with him and the interviews
Speaker 1: is stuff that I look at and I remember guys
Speaker 1: in the past that they're top ten picks by other teams,
Speaker 1: and then I see them interviewed and I was like,
Speaker 1: how in the world do you make that guy a
Speaker 1: top ten pick? Yeah, that's what got me interested and
Speaker 1: why I started really studying it was because I think
Speaker 1: it's I think you can learn a lot about a
Speaker 1: player with those interviews. I still think it's the best
Speaker 1: way to help your team. The draft, draft, the draft is.
Speaker 1: I think that's why people take such an interest because
Speaker 1: they love their team and they're thinking, Okay, how what's
Speaker 1: the best avenue If we're not going to spend millions
Speaker 1: of dollars on free agent players, what's the best the
Speaker 1: next best way of doing that? And so you want
Speaker 1: to learn about these guys. So when they do get
Speaker 1: selected on your team that you have an understanding of. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a type of player that I'm getting. I
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of guys in Galus have
Speaker 1: made a living now because of the just the NFL
Speaker 1: draft itself, you know, year around, year around job really
Speaker 1: is Dane Ruler has made a nice career out of
Speaker 1: it like that. It's um, you're right, it's so important.
Speaker 1: It's the best way to do business because cottage industry,
Speaker 1: it is a cottage industry. But you get you get
Speaker 1: four years of four to five years of troll on
Speaker 1: a relatively friendly contract for a young guy that can
Speaker 1: that can help your team out. And like Brian said,
Speaker 1: you know combine, you get fifteen minutes with these guys, right,
Speaker 1: that's it's it's kind of speed dating. Basically. This is
Speaker 1: more of an in depth process and like you said,
Speaker 1: it can help weed out maybe close decisions between guys
Speaker 1: based on maybe you know, football character, that kind of
Speaker 1: when you're stack, when you put your stack together and
Speaker 1: you just have that little bit more of a like
Speaker 1: a little bit more connection with the player. I think
Speaker 1: that's something. Now, again, they've had a couple of players
Speaker 1: that did not bring in on thirty visits. I remember
Speaker 1: we didn't bring in DeMarcus Ware and they didn't bring
Speaker 1: in Mo Clayboard, So that's right. And those were two
Speaker 1: guys that had been drafted that were not part of
Speaker 1: your thirty visit program. I do remember at Valley Ranch
Speaker 1: they did bring Sean Merriman in. Yes, sure did visit
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells. Is that a head fake? I don't know
Speaker 1: it was a head fake. That was a head coach.
Speaker 1: I was a head coach was on that one. Now
Speaker 1: in retrospect looking back at it, I mean DeMarcus Will,
Speaker 1: I mean there, he's about as clean a guy as
Speaker 1: you could possibly have walked through those doors. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: taste something. And you've heard me tell the story before.
Speaker 1: Though it came down to the final hours on that one.
Speaker 1: That was and I give Rick Goslin a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for what he was able to do. He was
Speaker 1: able to get to Jerry Jones and all the things
Speaker 1: you talk about with where and Merriman that were that
Speaker 1: Rick had gotten from other teams. Rick had done. You
Speaker 1: talk about a guy that that had learned about the draft,
Speaker 1: and he had he was talking to people and the
Speaker 1: list of the things the good and the bads on
Speaker 1: both players were clearly in the favor of Where and
Speaker 1: the type of I don't think they needed to bring
Speaker 1: him in because they knew what they knew about him,
Speaker 1: and if you were some personality, he's more reserved at
Speaker 1: De Marcus. He's not really that outgoing as far as
Speaker 1: but when you get to talk to him, you can
Speaker 1: see we're as hard as you know. We had a
Speaker 1: discussion about whether Spears or Where. That shows you how
Speaker 1: much we didn't know at the time. So small school
Speaker 1: guy at the time, right, Yeah, But again it's about
Speaker 1: having a feel for the player and we you know it. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it went down to the night before the draft, it
Speaker 1: really it was it. Usually you have an idea of
Speaker 1: which direction you're going, and we didn't have an idea
Speaker 1: until we came in the draft room that morning, which
Speaker 1: which way. And so again that's sometimes the thirty visits
Speaker 1: help you, maybe it takes you another direction. But comparing
Speaker 1: Where in Spears, aside from the different positions that they played,
Speaker 1: Spears was the more accomplished player coming in. He was,
Speaker 1: but Where had them had the upside? I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a late bloomer. If you talk to people and
Speaker 1: the if you talk to people around the league, I
Speaker 1: was trying to get a gauge at what direction that
Speaker 1: was a big It was a heavy offensive draft, and
Speaker 1: a lot of guys were saying, if they were going
Speaker 1: to go up for a player, the player they were
Speaker 1: going up for was where. He was the one that
Speaker 1: everybody if you're going for a defensive player, where was
Speaker 1: the guy that you know? Everybody was like, you know,
Speaker 1: there weren't other guys And it's kind of split a
Speaker 1: little bit on Merriman and where. But a lot of
Speaker 1: guys I talked to before the draft said, hey, if
Speaker 1: we're going for a defensive player, we're going for where
Speaker 1: that's the guy. If you had gone to the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and scene where performance and pretty good, you you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had no qualms about taking them where they did.
Speaker 1: That's fine, But there was some projection there. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy came from a small school. He wasn't a
Speaker 1: stand up linebacker in college, so you had to make
Speaker 1: some some projections. But he did. He did both. At
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. They had him stand up as a
Speaker 1: shrinebacker and they had him put his hand ground on
Speaker 1: the ground as a defensive end. And if you saw
Speaker 1: him go sid sideline to sideline, Jason guys down, yeah,
Speaker 1: to Marcus where well, and then that would have been
Speaker 1: Bill Parcel's mistake because he wanted Spear. Yeah he was,
Speaker 1: but he was more on Merriman though. Two that was
Speaker 1: a fight both players. Both players had the same grade
Speaker 1: and that's where the fight came down to was that
Speaker 1: the scouts were more interested in Where and led by
Speaker 1: Thompson Scout Sky, that group was they were on Where,
Speaker 1: and then Bill was more interested in Merriman. But that's
Speaker 1: exact same two grades on the players. But that just
Speaker 1: shows you though this thing could be, it could go
Speaker 1: up all the way. And the fact they don't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick, now you're a little bit of
Speaker 1: mercy of the board and you really have to protect
Speaker 1: yourself because you have to throw a wide net. And
Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, well, who's going to be there
Speaker 1: when we pick at fifty eight or do we need
Speaker 1: to go up? You know, there's a couple of players
Speaker 1: in my in my mind, you know that they're talking
Speaker 1: about bringing in here that you know the safety from
Speaker 1: uh you know from Washington. You know, I think that
Speaker 1: you know Taylor Rapp I think that that's a guy.
Speaker 1: Him and Abram, those are two guys. I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go up if you're an Abram interviewed
Speaker 1: the other day. Yeah, well I was very impressed with it.
Speaker 1: And that's a good point, Brian, because we talked to
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett at the combine about how your evaluation process.
Speaker 1: You still got to be pretty pure with it even
Speaker 1: though you don't have a first round on pick right. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, the question was could that affect your visits
Speaker 1: because you you know, what are the realistic odds of
Speaker 1: getting a guy that's going to be highly higher rated? Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe they still take a look at
Speaker 1: guys that might be drafted higher, just because you never
Speaker 1: know what could prop up, you know, possibility of moving
Speaker 1: up so or guy's falling, or guys because of either
Speaker 1: physical or yeah, you know, something off the field you
Speaker 1: never know, or slow time Taylor rap And speaking of
Speaker 1: slow times, slower time Taylor Rap four seven five, You're
Speaker 1: you're not concerned as a not at all. I this
Speaker 1: to me and someone asked me that on Twitter this morning.
Speaker 1: I said, if he asked you, where does you fall now?
Speaker 1: He runs a four seven four four seven five the
Speaker 1: numbers I heard, I said, I hope he's there at
Speaker 1: two fifty eight because then hand that card in this
Speaker 1: is this is a player you watch him play again.
Speaker 1: I there's several players in this draft that I feel
Speaker 1: like that debt and holy feel the running back is
Speaker 1: another guy. You know, there's guys that don't have great
Speaker 1: forty times, but you watch them play and they their
Speaker 1: their lights out and they don't and they're playing in
Speaker 1: big conferences. I'm not asking you to draft a four
Speaker 1: seven four safety from from all of some broadest college.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you draft a safety from Washington that you
Speaker 1: watched big time pack twelve tape. You watch him open
Speaker 1: the season against Auburn, you know, you watch him play
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl against Ohio State. That's kind of
Speaker 1: when I'm basically, I'm not interested in the four seven five.
Speaker 1: What I'm interested in is the numbers three ninety nine
Speaker 1: and six eighty two. His shuttle was a three ninety
Speaker 1: nine at the combine in his cone drill was a
Speaker 1: six eighty two. That's all. That's all you need an
Speaker 1: that's right, don't lateral agility. I don't care that he
Speaker 1: runs a four seven five forty and when somebody's running
Speaker 1: down the field, he can't catch him. When he's already
Speaker 1: going to school. He would love to have him. You
Speaker 1: would love to have him, and you know he's he
Speaker 1: could very well come in and do some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that you maybe you're asking Georgia Loca to do.
Speaker 1: Play down, tackle, get to the play, finished the play.
Speaker 1: So again, they fill the spot in free agency, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter right because I look at their roster
Speaker 1: and I say, other than defensive tackle, that still might
Speaker 1: be a spot where okay, you really need to address
Speaker 1: that potentially, but you don't necessarily have to do it
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. You know, take the best guy that
Speaker 1: they do well. They could, They very well could. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's it's I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: they could still go best available at a position that
Speaker 1: they've technically filled in free agency. You just mentioned deebo
Speaker 1: or a wide receiver. They could go there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they've they've done a pretty good job of
Speaker 1: covering their needs in free agency, but but d tackle
Speaker 1: still stands out the most. Well, what they're the safety?
Speaker 1: What about it with safety? Well, what you were just
Speaker 1: talking about, I just said, safety wide receiver whatever. But
Speaker 1: you said defensive tidy, I said defensive tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: I said, that's probably the last need that you look
Speaker 1: at and say. I don't know if they got what
Speaker 1: they want. I think that they I think they're I
Speaker 1: think they're hunting defensive alignments, not defensive ends. I think
Speaker 1: they're hunting defensive tackles. Now, I thought im in the
Speaker 1: in their magazine it's coming out hopefully this week, I
Speaker 1: think when Bill Jones is showing me thin ye, Bill
Speaker 1: Jones joined thin, Yes, sure you were sure the magazine? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go right there, right there, get your copy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get a copy that that. We'll look at the
Speaker 1: information out about that that should be coming out this week.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in the in the magazine, I picked the
Speaker 1: gentleman on the cover there from Boston College, Zach Allen.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't get past the gentleman on the
Speaker 1: cover that says Sooners on the front. Yeah, yeah, is
Speaker 1: that the biggest pictures? How are you? Yeah, he's taller
Speaker 1: than everybody on the Cover's that we did that on purpose? Yeah,
Speaker 1: make him look bigger than everybody. Okay, So the gentleman
Speaker 1: on the cover from Boston coll far left, number two,
Speaker 1: right number two. Yeah, Zach Allen. A Zach Allen. That's
Speaker 1: kind of who I thought that maybe if they were
Speaker 1: looking at defensive end at Zach Allen, I'd ask a question.
Speaker 1: Greg Gabriel, who is a former player personal director for
Speaker 1: the Bears, is on Twitter now, by the way, a
Speaker 1: really good follow if you like to kind of do
Speaker 1: that stuff, because he's he's lived it as well, and
Speaker 1: so he he was talking about, you know, the different
Speaker 1: where guys are gonna Would you rather have a guy
Speaker 1: like Alan, who he is in the scouting terms we
Speaker 1: call as a glass eater who might not have the
Speaker 1: most talent, or would you rather have Rashaun Gary from
Speaker 1: from Michigan who has all the physical ability but doesn't
Speaker 1: always play tough all the time? Rod Marinelli wants that
Speaker 1: glass eater, doesn't he technically, I mean hypothetically, I was
Speaker 1: always guy And see that's what I'm saying. That's the
Speaker 1: argument that that scouts get into all the time is though,
Speaker 1: do you take the guy that has the athletic ability
Speaker 1: over the guy who doesn't have the athletic ability but
Speaker 1: is tough and can play a couple of different positions.
Speaker 1: And all that. Alan is not going to wow you
Speaker 1: with his testing numbers, but where he will wow you
Speaker 1: is is with his ability to play at the point
Speaker 1: of attack and to finish plays and stuff. Gary Clearly,
Speaker 1: Gary could play I tell you what he I think
Speaker 1: he could be a three technique you know, and play
Speaker 1: over the shoulder of that guard and be very disruptive.
Speaker 1: But issue they play him on the outside, he's a
Speaker 1: different player than the player you drafted here two years ago.
Speaker 1: That that type of he's got past rushability where I
Speaker 1: feel like Taco had to develop more of that pass rushability.
Speaker 1: And so basically a defensive tackle, what you're trying to
Speaker 1: do is replace a guy who only got into two
Speaker 1: games last year. That would be David Irving, right. I
Speaker 1: mean that because when you look at what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have lost and the defensive tackle rotation, They've still got
Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins, They've still got Antoine Woods, They've got a
Speaker 1: guy in pass situation tyrone Crowpord who can slide down,
Speaker 1: and they've added Christian Covington art Carry Hyder. But what
Speaker 1: they're missing is that dynamic, disruptive guy, rightly, which is
Speaker 1: who they didn't have last year either. No, they did not.
Speaker 1: They did not. And I think the health a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, with you talk about with MALIEK. Collins, You
Speaker 1: know I believe am I right? Robert? Is he one
Speaker 1: of those guys that's up in twenty twenty steal? So
Speaker 1: you got to think about now, if you do draft
Speaker 1: one these guys, is that the replacement for hopefully you
Speaker 1: can get something done with. I think with Woods. I
Speaker 1: think Woods proved a lot of people that he could
Speaker 1: play in this league, and you know, you'll probably do
Speaker 1: something with him. But I think MALIEK. Collins is as
Speaker 1: hard as he plays, and stuff, the injury history or
Speaker 1: the injury questions are always going to be there. That's
Speaker 1: kind of why I think like they're looking at defensive
Speaker 1: tackles right now to be to kind of to be
Speaker 1: a replacement for those guys. K Garrison is here to
Speaker 1: take your phone calls as we'll do that as we
Speaker 1: continue on. But Mickey rob says, defensive tackle, what can
Speaker 1: what is the concern for you as far as what
Speaker 1: they haven't done in free agency to fill the needs? Well,
Speaker 1: I think a lot the decision a defensive tackle is
Speaker 1: worst Tyron Crawford plan. And I know he's not that
Speaker 1: dynamic three technique guy that you might be looking for.
Speaker 1: But he did start the first half of the season
Speaker 1: last year and defensive tackle, if you remember, it might
Speaker 1: be your starter left end. Well well, yeah, but with
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, now does that move Crawford back inside a
Speaker 1: rotation and he's just pass rushing? Yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: need to talk to ride Marinelli about that. We'll probably
Speaker 1: you know, sit down with him at one point in
Speaker 1: time and maybe get his thoughts on that. I would
Speaker 1: think that you would keep quinn is probably as a
Speaker 1: rotational player. You could keep him fresh and let him
Speaker 1: you know, in certain situations and as much Nicola's stuff
Speaker 1: as you play. We always talk about that sixty five
Speaker 1: seventy percent Nickel, you're getting those, you know, you could
Speaker 1: keep Robert Quinn. I think it'll allow. Robert Quinn. At
Speaker 1: Miami when he was there, he was in a rotational system.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that if you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: you want to start off playing the run, you use Crawford,
Speaker 1: and if you want to, uh, you know, you want
Speaker 1: to rush the pass, you put Robert Quinn in there.
Speaker 1: And there you go. Where do you guys think Tyrone's
Speaker 1: best spot has been because he's kind of been like
Speaker 1: a Byron Jones type guy, this chess piece that you
Speaker 1: kind of move wherever you need him. It's just that's
Speaker 1: his best spot right there where wherever, Because I know
Speaker 1: when he moved out to end a year or two ago,
Speaker 1: it was I think it helped him a little bit
Speaker 1: from the wear and tear standpoint of trying to play
Speaker 1: inside all the time, but it helped his shoulder for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well it helped the run defense. Yeah. Well, if you've
Speaker 1: got you've got a guy that could play the run
Speaker 1: rare like Lawrence does, that that helps you got two
Speaker 1: ends that can hold the point of attack. Now you
Speaker 1: got two linebackers that could run and fill. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you got Woods who could be a little bit
Speaker 1: disruptive inside to So that's why you play the run
Speaker 1: pretty well if you get guys that are all pretty
Speaker 1: good the point of attack. So to Rob's point, Okay,
Speaker 1: your defense, Let's say you signed to Marcus Lawrence and
Speaker 1: he is healthy from day one of the season, he's
Speaker 1: your left defensive end. Yeah, ideally, then what are you where?
Speaker 1: Where is that defensive end rotation? Who who starts, who
Speaker 1: comes in? Who we have to figure out where you
Speaker 1: play Armstrong on the left of the right. He was
Speaker 1: mostly left right behind the markets last year. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's played both. Yeah, okay, where's okay? Right? Who do
Speaker 1: you think? Just checked and we probably don't know, but
Speaker 1: just project if you can't. Who's a better rusher between
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Taco right now? Right now, right now, um,
Speaker 1: because that's where you're gonna that's whoever the better rusher is,
Speaker 1: He's going to play right end Armstrong. I like Armstrong, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but but he's better probably against the run two on
Speaker 1: the left side. Taco started at right defensive end, right
Speaker 1: ahead of yes, ahead of Randy Gregory right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: times until until yeah, until he maybe they failed there
Speaker 1: and they moved Crawford back outside. Yeah, Randy played more
Speaker 1: down the stretch a lot more. See to me, Crawford
Speaker 1: backing up Lawrence. And you don't know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen with Gregory right right. I think he got to
Speaker 1: operate like you don't have it. But I mean their
Speaker 1: idea heading forward before he got suspended was he was
Speaker 1: going to be the every I asked the question, can
Speaker 1: he be there every down right defensive end, and it
Speaker 1: was absolutely Yeah. It was like the look I got
Speaker 1: was why do you and ask that? Yeah, so his
Speaker 1: body had matured, you know, he probably could play more
Speaker 1: downs just based off of weight alone, you know. And
Speaker 1: he was he was causing teams to chip them too.
Speaker 1: We're putting the running back over there. They were putting
Speaker 1: the tight ends. They're doing Robert Quinn. Robert Quinn, it
Speaker 1: did the same thing. You Quinn as a Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: replacement and not knowing whether Gregory would get back or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So then does Quinn start and then Tacos the backup there?
Speaker 1: It would be interesting. I don't think they move on
Speaker 1: from I don't think they move on from Taco or
Speaker 1: or Armstrong. But they've got they've they've got to think
Speaker 1: about now about the numbers they have there, and and
Speaker 1: who are the who are the you know, is it
Speaker 1: gonna be four guys? Yeah? Is that you think they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep five guys? Well, if he counts Tyrone and
Speaker 1: part of that mix, potentially, Yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Now it's a good problem to have, Okay, So I
Speaker 1: think that's why they're looking at all these tackles. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm going to present the problem that
Speaker 1: is a bad problem. You got the guy doesn't have Lawrence.
Speaker 1: You don't have Lawrence. You don't have Lawrence. Worst case, well,
Speaker 1: then that means that you put you put Taco and Crawford.
Speaker 1: Crawford would start to me at left defensive end. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what's kind of his original normal spot at the ends.
Speaker 1: You don't have Lawrence by the twenty sixth of April.
Speaker 1: How does that affect things as far as the draft? Boy,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm I'm grinding my teeth right now.
Speaker 1: I really am. You know what you know what you know? What?
Speaker 1: You know? What you know? It can change this whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know can change this whole dynamic in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And if you guys don't have to agree with me,
Speaker 1: you probably won't. If he were to get surgery now,
Speaker 1: he would put Dallas in a bad situation. If he
Speaker 1: were to get surgery right now. How's that Because by
Speaker 1: getting the surgery, he's saying, Okay, you cut me, I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna go get money somewhere else. He's making if
Speaker 1: you get surgery right now, instead of holding it as
Speaker 1: a chip, you're actually saying Okay, I'm with you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get myself fixed. I'm gonna be ready to play.
Speaker 1: Now you got to pay me to get ready to play.
Speaker 1: That I think I think he could get momentum back
Speaker 1: if he gets surgery. The more I think about this,
Speaker 1: the more I mean, instead of holding it as a
Speaker 1: holding it over their head, if he were to get
Speaker 1: surgery as a as a show of good faith. Now
Speaker 1: the everybody's looking him at going wait a minute, he's
Speaker 1: got surgery, he's fixed. Why don't you pay him? I
Speaker 1: think I think I think the Cowboys. If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: knew that he was going to get surgery, I think
Speaker 1: the negotiations would would swing in a different way. I
Speaker 1: really do as a good faith measure, and I'm giving
Speaker 1: you something, you give me something, and his rehab would
Speaker 1: be done by the time training camp started. There exactly
Speaker 1: exactly a countdowns on because if yeah, you get past
Speaker 1: the draft and it's like start a camp and look
Speaker 1: like if I was his agent, I would have the surgery.
Speaker 1: I would go ahead. Because what he has to be
Speaker 1: ready about is because if it doesn't work out for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, he has to be ready to play. He
Speaker 1: has to be ready so if the Cowboys yanked the
Speaker 1: tag on him, well, then he is His ability to
Speaker 1: go get money or at least to get a one
Speaker 1: year deal has to be on his ability to play.
Speaker 1: So if he's not ready to play when the season starts,
Speaker 1: then that will limit maybe the options that he has,
Speaker 1: or or he could play without having the surgery. But
Speaker 1: then again, the cat where the Cowboys paying for they're
Speaker 1: paying for a guy that's not at his optimum probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be either. Or he could turn his back on
Speaker 1: twenty point five million dollars. There is always that you
Speaker 1: think he would do that. I mean, I wouldn't do it,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not I'm not him. He wants
Speaker 1: long term secure I know he does. If he I
Speaker 1: call him out on that one, You call him out
Speaker 1: on that one. Take my chances that he's not turned
Speaker 1: down twenty million games. What about the surgery then, Mickey,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? What you're saying, you're you're
Speaker 1: waiting it out? Yeah, yeah, all right, you're gonna wait
Speaker 1: it out. Okay, you're waiting it out. But he didn't
Speaker 1: get the surgery done. How are you feeling about that? First? Now?
Speaker 1: And he hadn't got the surgery. Yeah. Wait, what if
Speaker 1: we get to July fourteenth and we haven't had the
Speaker 1: surgery done? So you're just gonna let him go? We
Speaker 1: have no choice. No, I'm just I'm asking you juifteenth right, yes,
Speaker 1: do you want him? Do you want him to still
Speaker 1: worth twenty and a half million dollars or ten games
Speaker 1: for ten games? Or if he just straps it up,
Speaker 1: you know, and plays it with the artists again, he
Speaker 1: won't do that. Yeah, all right, thank you. We continue
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Chris in Connecticut. First up here on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Hello Chris, Hey, good afternoon, guys. Howdy. First,
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you so much for all
Speaker 1: you do. All us diehard Cowboys fans are always scrambling
Speaker 1: and desperate for thanks to hang on to and looking
Speaker 1: forward to the season, et cetera. So thanks so much
Speaker 1: for you guys are amazing, Thank you, Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh oh was that it? That was nice? But sixty
Speaker 1: seven and um, I want to say, I'm how happy
Speaker 1: I am finally you know, eureka moment that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: actually used a low, low round draft pick to uh
Speaker 1: to pick up a free agent. I've just like blown
Speaker 1: away that they found, like been scratching my head for
Speaker 1: the last ten years. Why they don't seem to ever
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. But um, that's one thing I'm
Speaker 1: really happy to hear that and see that they're kind
Speaker 1: of opening their eyes hopefully. And then secondly, I'm was
Speaker 1: wondering if you guys could could explain to me a
Speaker 1: little bit why I always feel like the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: very reluctant or resistant tom to getting you know, a
Speaker 1: really high quality big defensive tackle in there to shore
Speaker 1: up the middle, because I feel like, um, they really
Speaker 1: seem to have a lot of difficulty defending quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: are mobile. Um, and I just feel like they, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I keep hearing about
Speaker 1: they have a low priority on defensive tackle all uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the one that's true technique, and I just
Speaker 1: don't get it. So maybe you guys could could know
Speaker 1: that's true. They don't. They don't want to use especially
Speaker 1: on a one technique. I mean Rod marinell, I mean
Speaker 1: he just now he'll tell you that the the under
Speaker 1: tackle or the three and the right defensive end are
Speaker 1: very important in his scheme. But he wants nothing to
Speaker 1: do with you know, he feels like he can find
Speaker 1: a guy and like he's like an Antoine Woods. I mean,
Speaker 1: he feels like they're guys out there that he could
Speaker 1: find he could coach you know. That's why we were
Speaker 1: in the Draft show last year. We kept talking about
Speaker 1: Vita Vea, Vita Vea, and then at the end of
Speaker 1: the day they wanted nothing to do with Vita Vea,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from the University of Washington and Rod
Speaker 1: Marinell I haven't asked him about that. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm I'm hunting. I'm hunting some defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: But they're not gonna be. They're not gonna be all
Speaker 1: these guys that you know, they're not gonna be these
Speaker 1: defensive tackles that we've all you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, talked about on the Draft Show. I mean
Speaker 1: that again, they don't have a first round pick, but Quinnon, Williams, Simmons, Wilkins, Lawrence,
Speaker 1: all those guys. I mean, no, he's going to find
Speaker 1: him a in the third round. You know that he
Speaker 1: that he likes. He's probably gonna look like I said,
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna look more for a He's probably gonna
Speaker 1: look more for an under tackle or three than he
Speaker 1: is a nose because he's got you know, he's got
Speaker 1: Comington now and he's got uh the woods. So if
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a defensive tackle. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: three in my opinion. You know, Randy White, I do
Speaker 1: a show during the football season for CBS eleven, a
Speaker 1: game Day Cowboys Game Day Show with Randy White, and
Speaker 1: every every season Randy says they needed to get one
Speaker 1: of those big bazooka nose tackles in there. They won't
Speaker 1: do it, That's right. It's funny because he played with
Speaker 1: he played with Booker McFarland at the at Tampa, who
Speaker 1: was a first round pick, and from then on he
Speaker 1: just says never He's never been able to do I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember at the Bears and the Lions and
Speaker 1: places like that, you know, but still he's one techniques. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just he will not do it. It just that
Speaker 1: Stephen Paia was with Chicago, right, and Stephen Pott was
Speaker 1: here Melton. Yeah, yeah, but they just will not. He
Speaker 1: just it's it's it's something fundamentally to him that he
Speaker 1: believes he doesn't have to do. Give him the under
Speaker 1: tackle all day, give him the right defensive end, and
Speaker 1: he's okay with that. So as as fans look at
Speaker 1: the draft, what is the phototype of what Marinelli is
Speaker 1: looking for? In that defensive tackle. If you could from
Speaker 1: a scouting standpoint, as far the one or the three,
Speaker 1: that the three? Yeah, well either the one or the three.
Speaker 1: What is he looking for? As far as height weight?
Speaker 1: You got something on that, Mickey you want to say,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's looking for somebody that's quick, that can
Speaker 1: get up the field even at the at the one
Speaker 1: technique right while it's it's a bigger guy. He wants
Speaker 1: a guy agile enough to be on the move. So
Speaker 1: from a scouting, but didn't he have Sue at he
Speaker 1: was Detroit. I'm trying to think of it, see but Sue,
Speaker 1: But he's not the big, sloppy three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: pound No, he ain't sloppy. But know he had Warren
Speaker 1: Zapp and at tap of your that's his three. That's Berg.
Speaker 1: McFarland was his one. And then and then he had
Speaker 1: you know, Simeon Rice playing one end was so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, if you look at you look at
Speaker 1: what he's doing now in this draft, and you look
Speaker 1: at and the names might start leaking out on who
Speaker 1: they can visit, and but do you look at the
Speaker 1: Kingsley kid Kingsley Kiki from Texas A and m guys
Speaker 1: like you're talking about guys that can play in, can
Speaker 1: play tackle, can get up the field, get on the
Speaker 1: outside shoulder attack. You know. Tristan Hill from from Central
Speaker 1: Florida is another guy that's like that. Gerald Willis from
Speaker 1: Miami another guy that gets on the shoulder, he gets
Speaker 1: up the field. Zach Allen, Zach, Yeah, these are guys,
Speaker 1: These are guys that that's what he wants. He wants,
Speaker 1: he wants guys that can play the run, but also
Speaker 1: are interested in getting up the field. You know, kids,
Speaker 1: got it right up there, right now, He's got the
Speaker 1: Hill kids. See. I mean, if you're watching along with us,
Speaker 1: right there, there's a guy again. He's got some size
Speaker 1: to him, but he's got the quickness, the agility. Those
Speaker 1: are the kinds of things he's looking at for his
Speaker 1: defensive pack. You can almost say that the one in
Speaker 1: three in this scheme are somewhat interchangeable because you've seen
Speaker 1: Molie Collins play both. You know, he's alternated between three
Speaker 1: and one. Like, like you said, has some size, can
Speaker 1: hold up against the run, but you've got to be
Speaker 1: disruptive and be able to push the pocket. Both those guys,
Speaker 1: I just think he's looking for more. I think that
Speaker 1: they're trying to find a way to upgrade the three,
Speaker 1: and I mean upgraded in a way that with Collins
Speaker 1: potentially being gone after next year, with kind of his
Speaker 1: injury history with the foot, he's been having to deal
Speaker 1: with that quite a bit. I think they're looking for
Speaker 1: a guy to take over that role the three technique. Now,
Speaker 1: whether Crawford swing gets inside again and does that, it
Speaker 1: might if they don't get the guy, maybe that's the
Speaker 1: avenue that they go. But I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that that they're hunting that guy. They're hunting that undertackle guy.
Speaker 1: But see the weird the weird thing of what the
Speaker 1: guy said about needing one of those guys in there
Speaker 1: to play the run. They finished fifth against the run
Speaker 1: last year. They did until the loss to the Rams. Right,
Speaker 1: they had two games the bad games four hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty combined washing yards other than that, and they still
Speaker 1: finished fifth, Right, and they and they only gave up
Speaker 1: three point eight yards a carry. Yeah, yeah, until that
Speaker 1: game and the Colts game. But I think play was
Speaker 1: really good. So was it was it like poor personnel
Speaker 1: or all of a sudden that they kind of get
Speaker 1: out scheme together. Whatever they were doing the both games,
Speaker 1: it looked pretty simplistic to me. The Colts game, I
Speaker 1: didn't see them running a lot of intricate plays, washed
Speaker 1: out of plays. They're both offensive lines. The Rams line,
Speaker 1: the Colts line did a great job. I just thought
Speaker 1: they took advantage of the Cowboys being aggressive up front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they they they beat them going the other way.
Speaker 1: They totally totally hammered them up front. And I think
Speaker 1: that Cowboys have done a nice job of playing the run,
Speaker 1: like you said, Mickey, So yeah, I would keep an
Speaker 1: eye again. These names will start popping out here, and
Speaker 1: I promise you there will be more of those under
Speaker 1: tackles or three techniques visiting here than than the one
Speaker 1: technique guys. I just I just that's just the way
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. To your point, with that current cast,
Speaker 1: they did a great job overall. But to Bill's point,
Speaker 1: think about what they could have had with Irving And
Speaker 1: I know that ship has sailed, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you could add another guy, I mean, Covington Hyder
Speaker 1: can be part of this rotation, right, but another disruptive
Speaker 1: guy in that rotation take some pressure off Antoine Woods.
Speaker 1: That's what yer can do. You're right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how many of those guys are out there.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, which lives Well, Irving, you want to replace him,
Speaker 1: but he was a freak. Yeah, that's see David Irving.
Speaker 1: There's people still debate with his best position was tackle
Speaker 1: or defensive end? The people that live, they mean he
Speaker 1: had just as much production that Tampa game if you
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago using as a as
Speaker 1: a left defensive end. I'm not saying you're gonna find
Speaker 1: David Irving's talent level necessarily, but another guy that can
Speaker 1: you can throw into the play everyone with one of
Speaker 1: these first couple draft picks. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: can only help this group going forward. One guy that
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by, and I'd like to get Brian your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Charles A. Mina, who Yeah, from Texas. There's
Speaker 1: not much like there, really not overall, and have him
Speaker 1: by him? Is his long arms? No? No, And there's
Speaker 1: a lot and there's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: long armed arms, long armed players in this draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially when you get to the cornerbacks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got a lot of guys. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: never they've never talking to some folks about a mina
Speaker 1: who never really warmed up to him as a player.
Speaker 1: They just never they felt And the things that with
Speaker 1: the biggest problem with when you watch him play, and
Speaker 1: I thought the Senior Bowl was probably some of his
Speaker 1: best work, But you watch him play, watch the Oklahoma game,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, he gets washed a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a two hundred and eighty pound guy,
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, Okay, be a little bit better at
Speaker 1: the point of attack, not so much. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is one of those guys when they when guys get
Speaker 1: on him, you see them take him out of the play.
Speaker 1: And I think that's really where the Cowboys scouts kind
Speaker 1: of talking to them pre Senior Bowl about him and
Speaker 1: then seeing boy kind of did some better things, and
Speaker 1: the still the attitude was now just go watch the
Speaker 1: game film and the game film doesn't lie about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you watch the Oklahoma games and and he has
Speaker 1: he has some issues there, and those Oklahoma linemen are
Speaker 1: all gonna get drafted. All those guys are gonna get drafted.
Speaker 1: So you're playing against pro lineman there and you're having
Speaker 1: problems with them. That's just a little bit of a
Speaker 1: precursor to what potentially could happen to you. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what position he is best suited for. Well,
Speaker 1: he's played, he's played all over. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the way he plays to me, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: saying about him as a rusher and all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the stuff that I saw with him was the left
Speaker 1: defensive end. I mean the thing when I'm looking at
Speaker 1: about him. At Texas, they played him in a head
Speaker 1: up scheme, you know, and it really didn't do him
Speaker 1: any favors. You know, when he was head up trying
Speaker 1: to like play with power, that's when the you know,
Speaker 1: that's when the issues were. Did I talk about disengaging
Speaker 1: with guys? You know, you think his physical ability would
Speaker 1: allow him to get off more blocks, but it just
Speaker 1: doesn't show he could get moved by tight ends too.
Speaker 1: Is another thing that bothers me. If you're a defensive
Speaker 1: ending you're getting blocked by tight ends, that's a really
Speaker 1: bad sign, as a very bad sign. Okay, the little
Speaker 1: news nugget that I think Tom Pella sero head first
Speaker 1: today about Randy Gregory being extended. Um, what do we
Speaker 1: make of this? Extended next year. They're standing by their man. Well,
Speaker 1: he would have been restricted next year. I think, Um,
Speaker 1: it says a lot of tracks year because told yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been looking for three weeks ago, told so he restricted.
Speaker 1: So basically what you did. It's a minimum salary for
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, and you gave him a loan for
Speaker 1: this year. That's yeah, need some money. Well that's not
Speaker 1: MINEA needed some money. How many times did the poor
Speaker 1: guy get fined last year? Every time you turned around,
Speaker 1: the poor guy was getting a fine for something, you
Speaker 1: know exactly what I mean. Yeah, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: those game checks, when they turn into fines, there's not
Speaker 1: anything left. It's like taking taxes from the guy, you know.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that this is again, this is is Jerry Jones's way
Speaker 1: of making sure that he's trying to take care of
Speaker 1: a player. And everybody out there can beat everybody up
Speaker 1: about this deal or not, but this is a This
Speaker 1: is a another human taking care of another human. Is
Speaker 1: what this is until the problems get corrected. Because you
Speaker 1: think about it, he was on the books for a
Speaker 1: base salary this year. I think it was nine fifty
Speaker 1: five ye hundred and fifty five thousand UM. And if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get to play right, he doesn't make that money, right, right,
Speaker 1: So they've almost done him a favor and not mad
Speaker 1: they have done. And the three hundred fifteen thousand that
Speaker 1: they gave him as a signing bonus now splits over
Speaker 1: two years, right, And so you save yourself about one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand against the cap. You would hope
Speaker 1: that then you retain his rights. Yeah, you would hope
Speaker 1: that things get better for Randy Gregory. But again, he
Speaker 1: faced so many fines and things like that that happened
Speaker 1: to him last year that he couldn't. It took all
Speaker 1: his money. And so now, and I'm not saying how
Speaker 1: do you not live on nine hundred thousand dollars, but
Speaker 1: just keep taking it away from you and see how
Speaker 1: you're doing. But this was the Cowboys way of saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we understand your issues. And if you're a fan out
Speaker 1: there and you're busting on the team for trying to
Speaker 1: help Randy Gregory, shame on you for that. You wish,
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody wishes they had somebody like Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: in their corner. That was trying to help him along.
Speaker 1: You know it also it gives him incentive. It gives
Speaker 1: him hope that he maybe you're not totally kicking him
Speaker 1: to the curve, You're giving him a chance. But Terence
Speaker 1: Williams put Terence Williams on injurers or they gonna cut
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams. But Terence Williams continue to get paid. You know,
Speaker 1: big difference in the way they would talk about David
Speaker 1: Irving this past offseason than they would Randy Gregory. Big difference. Um,
Speaker 1: like you said, stand and buy him, no question about it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Robert Quinn was here yesterday, Yes, made the rounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was not here, signed deal. Ye signed his deal.
Speaker 1: Mrade Actually happened since the last time we convene. Yeah. So, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean we've we've talked it over um quite a
Speaker 1: bit and where that stands. But I think from a
Speaker 1: salary cap standpoint that it's a great you know, it's
Speaker 1: a very good deal as far as what where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are with Randy Gregory and whether they get a
Speaker 1: veteran guy in here. He's got some skins on the
Speaker 1: wall and can still play at age twenty nine. It
Speaker 1: protects you if something happens again with the defensive end spot,
Speaker 1: especially at the left defensive end spot, if you cannot
Speaker 1: get the left defensive end done and it becomes a
Speaker 1: total impass. Yeah, am I saying We had a big
Speaker 1: discussion about this, Derek Eagleton, myself, Nick Eatman, Dave Van Hellman.
Speaker 1: You know, are you saying he's better than better than Lawrence? No?
Speaker 1: But are you're saying at least it's it's an option.
Speaker 1: If something happens where you you know, where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, okay, we've got to move on now.
Speaker 1: It gives you an opportunity to say, okay, we least
Speaker 1: have a legitimate pass Rusher. Okay, okay, Taco and Armstrong
Speaker 1: and everybody else, it's time to step up and play
Speaker 1: a little bit better. You know. That's where I think
Speaker 1: this thing is. If you can't get Lawrence done, if
Speaker 1: you could get Lawrence done and have him and Quinn
Speaker 1: together rush in the past pastor excuse me, it would
Speaker 1: be one of the one of the best situations you
Speaker 1: can imagine. And then and then in no telling what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with Randy. But I think, like you
Speaker 1: said Rob earlier, that, Hey, you gotta have to think
Speaker 1: about Randy not being here, so you do. It's Gregory's
Speaker 1: not here, then he's not a rotation guy. He playing
Speaker 1: every down. It well, it depend on what they do
Speaker 1: with Crawford. Well, Crawford goes left, Lawrence isn't there, said yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying and if Gregory isn't there, he's a
Speaker 1: full time no question, no question. And all you gave
Speaker 1: up was a twenty twenty sixth round basically what you're
Speaker 1: looking at. Then the makeup if Lawrence isn't here, the
Speaker 1: makeup is you got Quinn and Taco on one side,
Speaker 1: you got Crawford and Armstrong on the other side, right
Speaker 1: as a makeup of the roster right now, without any addition.
Speaker 1: And then hopefully you can add some defensive tackles you've
Speaker 1: helped yourself, you know with Covington, you know Collins Woods,
Speaker 1: and then maybe another three technique and Hyder and Hyder
Speaker 1: exactly right, exactly right. Yeah, and he can rush from
Speaker 1: outside too. Yep. So okay we continue with more talking
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Speaker 1: It was an indictment against tattoos one more time. When
Speaker 1: that drop their kit Cowboys, thank you. Yeah. The warning
Speaker 1: that I always gave my daughters about getting tattoos, like
Speaker 1: a butterfly tattoo, like on your hip or something like that,
Speaker 1: is over a number of years, that butterfly turns into
Speaker 1: a condor. It's true. That is true. Yep, that's a
Speaker 1: pretty good one. So what's up with the Alliance of
Speaker 1: American Football? Sounds like they're suspending operations, not clothes in shop,
Speaker 1: just suspending Well, suspension will lead to clothes is what
Speaker 1: it sounds like. So, yeah, they're cain't finish this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And it's two games week during
Speaker 1: Week eight. Yeah, and it sounds like that. Vince McMahon
Speaker 1: it's had something to do with this whis XFL. He
Speaker 1: sold more than three million shares of his WWE stock
Speaker 1: yesterday with the goal to come aut proceeds to fund
Speaker 1: his upcoming football league, which turned out to be about
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy million. Two hundred seventy two million
Speaker 1: dollars is what he sold off stock yesterday, So that's
Speaker 1: because he has to pay Bob Stoops yeah to coach
Speaker 1: the Dallas Xact. Think the l will be fine, Well,
Speaker 1: financially they will. I don't know if anyone will because
Speaker 1: he's got Jay pockets Kill well yeah the ww he
Speaker 1: makes like a billion a year. So now I don't
Speaker 1: know how much money the guy from Dallas has that
Speaker 1: funded the league from Dundon, but he did he just
Speaker 1: d two hundred and fifty millions? Did he just lose that?
Speaker 1: Is that what happened there? Well? Oh my gosh, well
Speaker 1: I can see what he's been trying to do is
Speaker 1: leverage the nfl PA to force the NFL to allow
Speaker 1: them to sign practice squad players in the office. But
Speaker 1: there's no practice squad players in the off season. Those
Speaker 1: guys are free agents. And once they sign, are you
Speaker 1: going to let them go play in a spring league
Speaker 1: and then say, okay, now July twentieth, ye're going to training. Well,
Speaker 1: most of the practice squad players that the NFL teams want,
Speaker 1: they go ahead and sign them the future contract extend
Speaker 1: of the season, and so they then aren't available for
Speaker 1: the spring league. I'll tell you what. When we when
Speaker 1: we were doing NFL Europe, we're first starting NFL Europe.
Speaker 1: At least this league gives these players enough time to recover.
Speaker 1: We didn't. We we didn't give the players at all
Speaker 1: any time. I remember Dwayne Hawthorne that we you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a guy it went to NFL,
Speaker 1: played a whole season, and he went from being when
Speaker 1: he came back, he was just so beat up. He
Speaker 1: couldn't ru I mean, the one thing he had was quickness,
Speaker 1: and he had none of that. He was dead well.
Speaker 1: The one they would play that whole season and get
Speaker 1: like a month between the exactly exactly. The biggest problem
Speaker 1: with NFL Europe as far as the NFL calendar is concerned,
Speaker 1: is it point as you're saying, it went into May
Speaker 1: to the end of May, and now you're missing OTAs
Speaker 1: and so forth. That so you could not be incorporated
Speaker 1: into I love I love the fact that we were
Speaker 1: involved to try and work with the NFL and that
Speaker 1: stuff when when we were in NFL Europe, But we
Speaker 1: didn't give those players enough time. Now, those are those
Speaker 1: poor kids. They couldn't they could They had to go
Speaker 1: straight from our league to a training camp. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, they were they were, they were without being
Speaker 1: involved in the offseason right program, right, right, And that's
Speaker 1: why the AAF had set up their schedule perfectly to
Speaker 1: where it was over by the draft. Right and then yeah,
Speaker 1: but if the NFL team wanted to sign one of
Speaker 1: those players, they couldn't get and put them right into
Speaker 1: their offseason program and they don't miss a beat. If
Speaker 1: the NFL wanted a true minor league system, though, they
Speaker 1: could and I guess hypothetically you could absorb this league
Speaker 1: and make it part of yours. Now they were, they
Speaker 1: were televising games on NFL network, but it's not an
Speaker 1: official partnership. But I don't know if the NFL really
Speaker 1: wants to go down that road having a minor league system.
Speaker 1: The problem is they got college football. They've put these
Speaker 1: teams in places where there's still major NFL teams, right Birmingham,
Speaker 1: San Antonio. San Antonio's got Houston in Dallas, this close.
Speaker 1: San Diego has a team Memphis as a team, there's
Speaker 1: one in Phoenix. But see, they don't they don't portray
Speaker 1: it like baseball because minor league baseball, you get, it's
Speaker 1: just minor league with these guys growing to get up,
Speaker 1: these guys playing there there's no one growing these guys
Speaker 1: that are that either pastor primes or couldn't make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to sell a minor league football team,
Speaker 1: but you're right, as far as you know, they were
Speaker 1: trying to get the players Association to sign off on it.
Speaker 1: And the only way a league like this would work
Speaker 1: would be like the old NFL Europe right where you've
Speaker 1: got an affiliation with the NFL. And I think the
Speaker 1: way they need to do it if you got a
Speaker 1: team in San Antonio put them in the Cowboy uniform. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't there's no affiliation. Yeah that's good. I can't
Speaker 1: watch these teams with these uniforms that I have no
Speaker 1: I want to see. Like in baseball, you'll have the
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals a long time, you know, the Louisville
Speaker 1: Redbirds where they're Triple A affiliate or whatever and they
Speaker 1: wear cardinal uniforms whatever. But if a spring league put them,
Speaker 1: you know, have affiliations with NFL teams and have them yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like look like the Steelers. I mean, why
Speaker 1: don't people go to games in Frisco baseball games because
Speaker 1: those are young ranger players that you think you're developed
Speaker 1: to get to the Major. I saw Alex. I saw
Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez. I was working with the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: I saw him play in in Wisconsin for like ten
Speaker 1: minutes he played, but I mean I got to see him,
Speaker 1: you know, play. I mean, that's why people went to
Speaker 1: Appleton Fox's games was to see Alex Rodriguez play. You know.
Speaker 1: So when I was in Jackson, that was Darryl Strawberry
Speaker 1: rookie years in the minors. But that's a good point, Mick,
Speaker 1: because we've got a lot of questions about, hey, there's
Speaker 1: any aff players to keep an eye on, you know,
Speaker 1: as a feeder system, and it's I don't know if
Speaker 1: it really is with this current group they've got playing,
Speaker 1: and if you watch it, it's I haven't watched a
Speaker 1: lot of it, to be honest, but you know you
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of Well the hard part is,
Speaker 1: at least with baseball you can see individual guys if
Speaker 1: they're progressing. In football, like if you don't have offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the quarterback qubect toast. You know something though
Speaker 1: from this league that we might get is the way
Speaker 1: they handle replay. That might you know with it if
Speaker 1: you Remember they had and I know you say didn't
Speaker 1: watch Mickey, you probably watch more games than anybody, but
Speaker 1: they had the ability, You had the abilities for the
Speaker 1: communication between the booth and the and the official down
Speaker 1: and you kind of heard the discussion that was going
Speaker 1: on between the two. More transparency, more transparency. You're right,
Speaker 1: ken't So maybe that's something that will get There's always
Speaker 1: something that these leads give us, and maybe it's like
Speaker 1: they you know, that wasn't a bad idea about us
Speaker 1: being able to hear the official, tell the replay official,
Speaker 1: tell the official on the field exactly what the call
Speaker 1: should be. Like. They eliminated extra points too. It's only
Speaker 1: two point aversions in the AF. Yeah, I can still
Speaker 1: kick a field goal, but after a touchdown he had
Speaker 1: to go for two. It's pretty agreenable. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: and the other thing that they were experimenting with is
Speaker 1: letting the official in the box have direct communication, like
Speaker 1: you said, to fix something and truth be known. That's
Speaker 1: what Jason Garrett was angling towards at their owner's meeting.
Speaker 1: It wasn't what they ended up. He was wanting to
Speaker 1: basically go that route. Sure you're going to the masters,
Speaker 1: I am leave Saturday for I'm going to go for
Speaker 1: a Tuesday practice round, So you guys, I will be listening.
Speaker 1: I won't be listening on the course you're going to practice, No,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be practice round of the Masters, which
Speaker 1: is the time to go. Yeah, you go to the Masters,
Speaker 1: yea Atlanta on Saturday. It's gonna hang out with some
Speaker 1: buddies and then go the Masters on Tuesday. I'll be
Speaker 1: back with you guys Wednesday. About the second shot for
Speaker 1: Brian brought us yes, like he's using a that's what
Speaker 1: I said, and didn't know the titles made a shovel
Speaker 1: with his Tomento cheese sandwich. Oh my gosh, they're so
Speaker 1: good Mickey and their two bucks. So you've been there before?
Speaker 1: I did went last year? Oh did you? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: I love that place. That was the I'm not a golfer.
Speaker 1: That was the first perfectional golf tournel and I was
Speaker 1: the Masters. Ryan says, you can eat off that grass.
Speaker 1: You can. It's oh my god, it is amazing that place.
Speaker 1: When you walk through the gates, you're like, there's nothing
Speaker 1: out of place except me. On that note, that's a
Speaker 1: great way to end talking cowboys. But you will have
Speaker 1: the Draft show on Thursday at eleven. We will be here.
Speaker 1: We'll dig into this little deeper, we get closer, closer.
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