WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: D-Line Dilemma? 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.400 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:16.799 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.639 training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:33.199 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:38.919 and Bill Jones. And it is April second, two thousand nineteen, 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:43.280 twenty three days in counting until the Cowboys don't have 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.639 a draft pick on the first day of the two 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.960 thousand nineteen NFL Draft on April twenty fifth, So it's 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.360 twenty four days in counting until the Cowboys do have 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.760 a draft pick unless there's a trade. Welcome to Talking Cowboys. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.040 I'm starting to get fired up for this draft. Now. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.400 You got fired up, Brian about three or four months ago. Yeah, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.679 I'm ready to draft right now. That's right. I'm just 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.240 now getting into it. I'm just now starting to fill 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.040 up my big green NFL Draft scouting note there it is. Yeah, 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.640 But hey, how you doing. I'm good, good good. I'm 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.280 not fired up yet? Why not? I don't know, I'm 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.720 just not. This is the week to get fired up. Okay, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.640 this is the right week. Try to tell us Rob, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.240 what's going on? This week. This is top thirty visits 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.800 week right Dallas Day on Friday where they bring in 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.320 local prospects, so and names always start to filter out. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.000 Huge advantage they have over other teams around the league, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.160 for sure, because there's sometimes there's top guys betimes, there's 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.000 top guys from the area that you don't have to 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.280 spend a thirty visit on. Yeah, they technically they qualified 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.440 to just come in on Friday. Yeah, yep. It's a 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.000 good way to do it, yep. And it's worked in 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.280 the past as well. Yeah, they always seem to these 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.640 thirty visits seem to allow them to the opportunity to 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.800 get to know these guys a little bit better. You know, 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.560 you've had this whole year now of a football season, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.959 you've had a Senior Bowl, you've had a combine, you've 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.960 had now the thirty visits, and then you go put 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.760 this board together. But the thirty I just always felt 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.600 like though they pay really close attention those thirty visits. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.320 It might be one or two names, it might be 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.880 three names, but pay attention. This is there's a reason 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.000 why that they bring these kids in because they want 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.359 to get to know them a little bit better. Maybe 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.480 you want to have Stephen and Jerry have an opportunity 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.000 to visit with them a little closer. They don't maybe 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.200 get to do that at the combine as much. So Yeah, 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.920 I think this is a one of those times. I 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.360 enjoyed this because I enjoyed this time of the thirty 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.960 visits because I always wanted to get you kind of 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.000 see what kind of kids these are. I mean the 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:49.680 personalities and stuff. You know, outgoing, well spoken, you know, quiet, shy. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.960 What do you have to do to maybe you know? 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.320 And it helps you when you start comparing them to 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.000 other kids on that board. You're saying, hey, we brought 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.000 this kid in we feel good about and what about 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.040 the grades? Grades are equal, playing ability equal, medical equal? 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.800 What can maybe shift it one way or another? And 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.440 you know, again the guy like Deebo Samuel coming in here, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.840 wider siering, he's talked about, you know, he's actually on 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.840 social media, he's put out, there's been in the locker 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.720 room and stuff. So no surprise there. But yeah, Mickey's guy. Hey, 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.280 you get to know a little bit more about him, 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:20.880 and I think that's a good thing. And you're getting 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.079 to know a little bit more about these players. I 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.720 think that is why the interest in the draft has 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:31.680 skyrocketed the last fifteen years, ever since YouTube became a 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.680 player in our society, because people like me, people like 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.000 fans out there. We can now go on YouTube and 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.040 go online and find out as as much as as 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.800 you can. Yeah, that about these players and whether watching 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.680 tape of them or interviews with him and the interviews 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.920 is stuff that I look at and I remember guys 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.080 in the past that they're top ten picks by other teams, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.640 and then I see them interviewed and I was like, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.920 how in the world do you make that guy a 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.680 top ten pick? Yeah, that's what got me interested and 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.320 why I started really studying it was because I think 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.640 it's I think you can learn a lot about a 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.480 player with those interviews. I still think it's the best 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.440 way to help your team. The draft, draft, the draft is. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.520 I think that's why people take such an interest because 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.840 they love their team and they're thinking, Okay, how what's 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.040 the best avenue If we're not going to spend millions 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.920 of dollars on free agent players, what's the best the 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.120 next best way of doing that? And so you want 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.400 to learn about these guys. So when they do get 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.440 selected on your team that you have an understanding of. Okay, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.159 this is a type of player that I'm getting. I 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.400 think that's why a lot of guys in Galus have 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.760 made a living now because of the just the NFL 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.480 draft itself, you know, year around, year around job really 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.760 is Dane Ruler has made a nice career out of 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.960 it like that. It's um, you're right, it's so important. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.599 It's the best way to do business because cottage industry, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.920 it is a cottage industry. But you get you get 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.440 four years of four to five years of troll on 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.280 a relatively friendly contract for a young guy that can 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.760 that can help your team out. And like Brian said, 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.920 you know combine, you get fifteen minutes with these guys, right, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.279 that's it's it's kind of speed dating. Basically. This is 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.400 more of an in depth process and like you said, 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.760 it can help weed out maybe close decisions between guys 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.760 based on maybe you know, football character, that kind of 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.800 when you're stack, when you put your stack together and 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.520 you just have that little bit more of a like 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.360 a little bit more connection with the player. I think 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.440 that's something. Now, again, they've had a couple of players 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.800 that did not bring in on thirty visits. I remember 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.920 we didn't bring in DeMarcus Ware and they didn't bring 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.479 in Mo Clayboard, So that's right. And those were two 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.159 guys that had been drafted that were not part of 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.240 your thirty visit program. I do remember at Valley Ranch 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.479 they did bring Sean Merriman in. Yes, sure did visit 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.640 Bill Parcells. Is that a head fake? I don't know 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.240 it was a head fake. That was a head coach. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:55.760 I was a head coach was on that one. Now 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.960 in retrospect looking back at it, I mean DeMarcus Will, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.200 I mean there, he's about as clean a guy as 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.280 you could possibly have walked through those doors. I'm gonna 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.400 taste something. And you've heard me tell the story before. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.920 Though it came down to the final hours on that one. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.479 That was and I give Rick Goslin a lot of 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.479 credit for what he was able to do. He was 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.520 able to get to Jerry Jones and all the things 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.039 you talk about with where and Merriman that were that 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.359 Rick had gotten from other teams. Rick had done. You 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.680 talk about a guy that that had learned about the draft, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.880 and he had he was talking to people and the 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.800 list of the things the good and the bads on 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.440 both players were clearly in the favor of Where and 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.719 the type of I don't think they needed to bring 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.480 him in because they knew what they knew about him, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.839 and if you were some personality, he's more reserved at 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.880 De Marcus. He's not really that outgoing as far as 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.480 but when you get to talk to him, you can 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.240 see we're as hard as you know. We had a 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.760 discussion about whether Spears or Where. That shows you how 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.800 much we didn't know at the time. So small school 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.200 guy at the time, right, Yeah, But again it's about 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.640 having a feel for the player and we you know it. Honestly, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.760 it went down to the night before the draft, it 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.840 really it was it. Usually you have an idea of 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.840 which direction you're going, and we didn't have an idea 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.200 until we came in the draft room that morning, which 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.440 which way. And so again that's sometimes the thirty visits 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.640 help you, maybe it takes you another direction. But comparing 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.760 Where in Spears, aside from the different positions that they played, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.640 Spears was the more accomplished player coming in. He was, 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.360 but Where had them had the upside? I mean, he 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.080 was a late bloomer. If you talk to people and 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.000 the if you talk to people around the league, I 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.160 was trying to get a gauge at what direction that 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.480 was a big It was a heavy offensive draft, and 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.520 a lot of guys were saying, if they were going 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.520 to go up for a player, the player they were 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.000 going up for was where. He was the one that 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.280 everybody if you're going for a defensive player, where was 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.400 the guy that you know? Everybody was like, you know, 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.680 there weren't other guys And it's kind of split a 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:02.880 little bit on Merriman and where. But a lot of 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.360 guys I talked to before the draft said, hey, if 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.720 we're going for a defensive player, we're going for where 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.160 that's the guy. If you had gone to the Senior 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.120 Bowl and scene where performance and pretty good, you you 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.320 wouldn't have had no qualms about taking them where they did. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.080 That's fine, But there was some projection there. I mean, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.640 the guy came from a small school. He wasn't a 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.800 stand up linebacker in college, so you had to make 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.360 some some projections. But he did. He did both. At 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.600 the Senior Bowl. They had him stand up as a 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.040 shrinebacker and they had him put his hand ground on 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.760 the ground as a defensive end. And if you saw 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:40.320 him go sid sideline to sideline, Jason guys down, yeah, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.920 to Marcus where well, and then that would have been 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.480 Bill Parcel's mistake because he wanted Spear. Yeah he was, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.679 but he was more on Merriman though. Two that was 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.679 a fight both players. Both players had the same grade 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.000 and that's where the fight came down to was that 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.719 the scouts were more interested in Where and led by 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.079 Thompson Scout Sky, that group was they were on Where, 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.680 and then Bill was more interested in Merriman. But that's 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.240 exact same two grades on the players. But that just 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.240 shows you though this thing could be, it could go 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:13.960 up all the way. And the fact they don't have 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.280 a first round pick, now you're a little bit of 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.120 mercy of the board and you really have to protect 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.000 yourself because you have to throw a wide net. And 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.440 then it's like, okay, well, who's going to be there 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.880 when we pick at fifty eight or do we need 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.199 to go up? You know, there's a couple of players 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.200 in my in my mind, you know that they're talking 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.600 about bringing in here that you know the safety from 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.000 uh you know from Washington. You know, I think that 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.840 you know Taylor Rapp I think that that's a guy. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.720 Him and Abram, those are two guys. I think you're 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.920 gonna have to go up if you're an Abram interviewed 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.400 the other day. Yeah, well I was very impressed with it. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.720 And that's a good point, Brian, because we talked to 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.240 Jason Garrett at the combine about how your evaluation process. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:58.920 You still got to be pretty pure with it even 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.360 though you don't have a first round on pick right. Uh. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.640 You know, the question was could that affect your visits 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.800 because you you know, what are the realistic odds of 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.800 getting a guy that's going to be highly higher rated? Um, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.880 but you know, maybe they still take a look at 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.839 guys that might be drafted higher, just because you never 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.280 know what could prop up, you know, possibility of moving 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.440 up so or guy's falling, or guys because of either 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.839 physical or yeah, you know, something off the field you 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.480 never know, or slow time Taylor rap And speaking of 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.719 slow times, slower time Taylor Rap four seven five, You're 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.960 you're not concerned as a not at all. I this 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.720 to me and someone asked me that on Twitter this morning. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.600 I said, if he asked you, where does you fall now? 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.760 He runs a four seven four four seven five the 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.960 numbers I heard, I said, I hope he's there at 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.400 two fifty eight because then hand that card in this 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.200 is this is a player you watch him play again. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.559 I there's several players in this draft that I feel 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.679 like that debt and holy feel the running back is 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.800 another guy. You know, there's guys that don't have great 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.760 forty times, but you watch them play and they their 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.880 their lights out and they don't and they're playing in 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.679 big conferences. I'm not asking you to draft a four 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.760 seven four safety from from all of some broadest college. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.240 I'm asking you draft a safety from Washington that you 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.040 watched big time pack twelve tape. You watch him open 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.240 the season against Auburn, you know, you watch him play 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.800 in the Rose Bowl against Ohio State. That's kind of 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.400 when I'm basically, I'm not interested in the four seven five. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.640 What I'm interested in is the numbers three ninety nine 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:36.280 and six eighty two. His shuttle was a three ninety 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.480 nine at the combine in his cone drill was a 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.040 six eighty two. That's all. That's all you need an 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.080 that's right, don't lateral agility. I don't care that he 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.760 runs a four seven five forty and when somebody's running 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.000 down the field, he can't catch him. When he's already 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:50.880 going to school. He would love to have him. You 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:52.960 would love to have him, and you know he's he 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.920 could very well come in and do some of the 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.319 stuff that you maybe you're asking Georgia Loca to do. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.120 Play down, tackle, get to the play, finished the play. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.040 So again, they fill the spot in free agency, but 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.240 it doesn't matter right because I look at their roster 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.040 and I say, other than defensive tackle, that still might 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.600 be a spot where okay, you really need to address 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.600 that potentially, but you don't necessarily have to do it 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.960 at fifty eight. You know, take the best guy that 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.520 they do well. They could, They very well could. But 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.440 I'm just saying it's it's I don't know if that's 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.599 they could still go best available at a position that 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.280 they've technically filled in free agency. You just mentioned deebo 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.480 or a wide receiver. They could go there. I mean, 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.439 I think they've they've done a pretty good job of 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.280 covering their needs in free agency, but but d tackle 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.880 still stands out the most. Well, what they're the safety? 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.600 What about it with safety? Well, what you were just 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.600 talking about, I just said, safety wide receiver whatever. But 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.280 you said defensive tidy, I said defensive tackle. I mean, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.360 I said, that's probably the last need that you look 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.360 at and say. I don't know if they got what 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.280 they want. I think that they I think they're I 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.160 think they're hunting defensive alignments, not defensive ends. I think 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.640 they're hunting defensive tackles. Now, I thought im in the 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.720 in their magazine it's coming out hopefully this week, I 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.440 think when Bill Jones is showing me thin ye, Bill 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:12.920 Jones joined thin, Yes, sure you were sure the magazine? Yeah, yeah, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.480 there you go right there, right there, get your copy. Yeah, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.520 I get a copy that that. We'll look at the 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.760 information out about that that should be coming out this week. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.360 But yeah, in the in the magazine, I picked the 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.080 gentleman on the cover there from Boston College, Zach Allen. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.960 I'm sorry, I can't get past the gentleman on the 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.240 cover that says Sooners on the front. Yeah, yeah, is 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.040 that the biggest pictures? How are you? Yeah, he's taller 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.760 than everybody on the Cover's that we did that on purpose? Yeah, 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.160 make him look bigger than everybody. Okay, So the gentleman 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.240 on the cover from Boston coll far left, number two, 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.760 right number two. Yeah, Zach Allen. A Zach Allen. That's 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.439 kind of who I thought that maybe if they were 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.920 looking at defensive end at Zach Allen, I'd ask a question. 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.760 Greg Gabriel, who is a former player personal director for 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.680 the Bears, is on Twitter now, by the way, a 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.800 really good follow if you like to kind of do 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.520 that stuff, because he's he's lived it as well, and 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.480 so he he was talking about, you know, the different 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.360 where guys are gonna Would you rather have a guy 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.040 like Alan, who he is in the scouting terms we 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.760 call as a glass eater who might not have the 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.840 most talent, or would you rather have Rashaun Gary from 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.240 from Michigan who has all the physical ability but doesn't 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.800 always play tough all the time? Rod Marinelli wants that 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.480 glass eater, doesn't he technically, I mean hypothetically, I was 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.960 always guy And see that's what I'm saying. That's the 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.000 argument that that scouts get into all the time is though, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.840 do you take the guy that has the athletic ability 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.520 over the guy who doesn't have the athletic ability but 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.800 is tough and can play a couple of different positions. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.880 And all that. Alan is not going to wow you 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.360 with his testing numbers, but where he will wow you 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.600 is is with his ability to play at the point 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.480 of attack and to finish plays and stuff. Gary Clearly, 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.640 Gary could play I tell you what he I think 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.360 he could be a three technique you know, and play 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.320 over the shoulder of that guard and be very disruptive. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.520 But issue they play him on the outside, he's a 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.400 different player than the player you drafted here two years ago. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.320 That that type of he's got past rushability where I 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.440 feel like Taco had to develop more of that pass rushability. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.920 And so basically a defensive tackle, what you're trying to 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.360 do is replace a guy who only got into two 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.360 games last year. That would be David Irving, right. I 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.120 mean that because when you look at what the Cowboys 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:27.040 have lost and the defensive tackle rotation, They've still got 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.640 MALIEK Collins, They've still got Antoine Woods, They've got a 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.680 guy in pass situation tyrone Crowpord who can slide down, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.200 and they've added Christian Covington art Carry Hyder. But what 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.760 they're missing is that dynamic, disruptive guy, rightly, which is 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.040 who they didn't have last year either. No, they did not. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.720 They did not. And I think the health a little bit, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.640 you know, with you talk about with MALIEK. Collins, You 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.720 know I believe am I right? Robert? Is he one 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.600 of those guys that's up in twenty twenty steal? So 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:56.840 you got to think about now, if you do draft 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.800 one these guys, is that the replacement for hopefully you 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.360 can get something done with. I think with Woods. I 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.240 think Woods proved a lot of people that he could 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.280 play in this league, and you know, you'll probably do 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.400 something with him. But I think MALIEK. Collins is as 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.720 hard as he plays, and stuff, the injury history or 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.120 the injury questions are always going to be there. That's 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.040 kind of why I think like they're looking at defensive 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.040 tackles right now to be to kind of to be 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.160 a replacement for those guys. K Garrison is here to 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.480 take your phone calls as we'll do that as we 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:30.520 continue on. But Mickey rob says, defensive tackle, what can 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.440 what is the concern for you as far as what 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.480 they haven't done in free agency to fill the needs? Well, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.800 I think a lot the decision a defensive tackle is 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.160 worst Tyron Crawford plan. And I know he's not that 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.760 dynamic three technique guy that you might be looking for. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.520 But he did start the first half of the season 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.840 last year and defensive tackle, if you remember, it might 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:58.960 be your starter left end. Well well, yeah, but with 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:05.680 Robert Quinn, now does that move Crawford back inside a 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.480 rotation and he's just pass rushing? Yeah, I think we 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.919 need to talk to ride Marinelli about that. We'll probably 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.600 you know, sit down with him at one point in 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.280 time and maybe get his thoughts on that. I would 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.040 think that you would keep quinn is probably as a 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.320 rotational player. You could keep him fresh and let him 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.680 you know, in certain situations and as much Nicola's stuff 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.760 as you play. We always talk about that sixty five 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.480 seventy percent Nickel, you're getting those, you know, you could 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.720 keep Robert Quinn. I think it'll allow. Robert Quinn. At 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.440 Miami when he was there, he was in a rotational system. 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.040 So yeah, I think that if you want to, you know, 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.680 you want to start off playing the run, you use Crawford, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.520 and if you want to, uh, you know, you want 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.320 to rush the pass, you put Robert Quinn in there. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:45.920 And there you go. Where do you guys think Tyrone's 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:47.680 best spot has been because he's kind of been like 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.280 a Byron Jones type guy, this chess piece that you 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.800 kind of move wherever you need him. It's just that's 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.639 his best spot right there where wherever, Because I know 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.880 when he moved out to end a year or two ago, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:00.919 it was I think it helped him a little bit 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.200 from the wear and tear standpoint of trying to play 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:07.480 inside all the time, but it helped his shoulder for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.920 Well it helped the run defense. Yeah. Well, if you've 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.600 got you've got a guy that could play the run 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.479 rare like Lawrence does, that that helps you got two 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.639 ends that can hold the point of attack. Now you 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.560 got two linebackers that could run and fill. Yeah, and 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.439 then you got Woods who could be a little bit 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.080 disruptive inside to So that's why you play the run 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.879 pretty well if you get guys that are all pretty 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.359 good the point of attack. So to Rob's point, Okay, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.560 your defense, Let's say you signed to Marcus Lawrence and 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.720 he is healthy from day one of the season, he's 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.480 your left defensive end. Yeah, ideally, then what are you where? 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.600 Where is that defensive end rotation? Who who starts, who 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.600 comes in? Who we have to figure out where you 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.440 play Armstrong on the left of the right. He was 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.159 mostly left right behind the markets last year. Yeah, but 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.879 he's played both. Yeah, okay, where's okay? Right? Who do 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.760 you think? Just checked and we probably don't know, but 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.560 just project if you can't. Who's a better rusher between 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.760 Armstrong and Taco right now? Right now, right now, um, 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.879 because that's where you're gonna that's whoever the better rusher is, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:17.040 He's going to play right end Armstrong. I like Armstrong, Yeah, okay, 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.280 but but he's better probably against the run two on 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.159 the left side. Taco started at right defensive end, right 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:28.600 ahead of yes, ahead of Randy Gregory right yeah, yeah, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.320 times until until yeah, until he maybe they failed there 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.520 and they moved Crawford back outside. Yeah, Randy played more 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.280 down the stretch a lot more. See to me, Crawford 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.280 backing up Lawrence. And you don't know what's going to 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.840 happen with Gregory right right. I think he got to 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.320 operate like you don't have it. But I mean their 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.119 idea heading forward before he got suspended was he was 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.280 going to be the every I asked the question, can 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.920 he be there every down right defensive end, and it 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.520