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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Miles are thrilled to be joined in air third seat

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Speaker 1: by an author, musician, podcast host of the anarchist survivalist

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Speaker 1: podcast Live Like the World Is Dying and the podcast

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff on Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 1: Her substack Birds Before the Storm is a must read.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Margaret Kill Joe, Margaret Hi, she's back with the wisdom

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Speaker 2: and she'd great to have you. Margaret, great to have you,

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Speaker 2: great to have you.

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Speaker 3: I just went on a book tour and I met

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Speaker 3: people who came up and said they knew me because

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Speaker 3: of this show.

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Speaker 2: So oh, I love Gang Zeigang. We love you. We

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Speaker 2: love that. Y'all support the people that come on this show.

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Speaker 2: That's really dope. That's super dope. How was the book tour?

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Speaker 3: Oh it was amazing. I'm incredibly exhausted. I did twenty

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Speaker 3: seven cities and twenty eight events because somehow I went

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Speaker 3: to Brooklyn, twice. Wow, I got years ago and I

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Speaker 3: don't want to go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh man.

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Speaker 1: Also shout out to the people we have on this

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Speaker 1: show who are worth going to visit in person. M hm,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. Can you talk a little bit about the book.

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Speaker 2: What's the book? Yeah? I went on tour.

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Speaker 3: The book called The Sapling Cage, which is a It's

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Speaker 3: technically not a YA. It's a crossover, which is YA.

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Speaker 3: But you're admitting that adults read it too, right, about

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Speaker 3: a young trans girl witch who dresses up as a

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Speaker 3: girl to runaway and join the witches in a fantasy

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Speaker 3: world and then has to help everyone else save the

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Speaker 3: world from people consolidating power through destroying the environment, which

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Speaker 3: is completely unrelatable to anyone who's reading.

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Speaker 2: Where do you come up with this stuff? What do

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Speaker 2: you be coming with drugs to a bunch of drugs

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Speaker 2: and think this wacky stuff?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I spent a lot of time alone in

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Speaker 3: the woods. Honestly, that is the actual answer.

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Speaker 2: Just right, meditating on what it is.

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Speaker 3: Kind of losing my mind.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I totally when you describe it, yeah right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: losing your mind in the woods. The original drugs, What

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history. That's revealing about who

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is uh this I said neopets earlier, and

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Speaker 4: it's because it's top of mind. I'm back on That's

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Speaker 4: where I'm actually at. I'm back on neopets. So I

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Speaker 4: googled neopets turmaculous hours. I can tell you what that means,

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Speaker 4: you like.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean there might be some listeners who

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Speaker 1: don't an expansion pack or something.

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Speaker 4: It's it's the twenty fifth anniversary of neopets. It hit my,

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Speaker 4: It hit my. You know, my feeds like al because

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Speaker 4: they know they know what I like. Good, so thank you.

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Speaker 4: And so I started an account like two weeks ago

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Speaker 4: to celebrate the twenty fifth anniversary. And it is weird,

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Speaker 4: like how muscle memory because I was so, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I learned capitalism from neopets, and I don't know if

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Speaker 4: I felt good about that, but like I have in

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Speaker 4: neopess as a twelve year old, I had like a

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Speaker 4: bank account, I had a mortgage. I had kids to feed,

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Speaker 4: like there was a lot to do. I had to

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Speaker 4: groom them or they got dirty, like it was a

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Speaker 4: whole thing. And what you can do is you can

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Speaker 4: get your neopets pet pets, so now they have their

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Speaker 4: own pet. And if you go to the turmaculous, which

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Speaker 4: is this gigantic dinosaur like creature, sometimes if you go

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Speaker 4: to the turmaculus at certain hours of the day, he

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Speaker 4: will give you a fancy vegetable.

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Speaker 2: Oh and I was trying to figure.

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Speaker 4: You just feed it to your neopat and it says

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Speaker 4: thank you. That's it. That's all that happens.

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Speaker 1: I wait for one random hour every day. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'll just go So do you like get notifications and

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Speaker 1: somebody like, oh, he's awake, he's awake.

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Speaker 4: The community is hurting. I really don't think anyone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: See I just tried to wake them up and snort.

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Speaker 4: The tremaculus did not wake.

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Speaker 4: You hate to see it. You hate to see it.

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Speaker 4: So I was just trying to figure out, you know,

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Speaker 4: I would like one of the fancy vegetables to feed

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And do you know how long it takes

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Speaker 2: to get to Merydale, Marydale or wherever the thank you,

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Speaker 4: For using the right terminologist.

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Speaker 6: To my world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, he's a as a giant turmac pet pet.

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Speaker 4: Okay, cool, cool, cool, Yeah, I brought my robot pet

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Speaker 4: pet to the tramaculus to see if you'd give me

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Speaker 4: a vegetable, and he said, now, so that's but some day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your question, Jack, how have things been not great?

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Speaker 4: Well, they've certainly been better awesome.

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Speaker 2: So it's like an open world.

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Speaker 1: Are you interacting with other people wandering around in there?

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Speaker 1: I actually don't know about Neopets.

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Speaker 4: I liked Neopets because it didn't I feel like the

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Speaker 4: alternative to Neopets was Club Penguin. And Club Penguin you

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Speaker 4: would interact with other people and it was mostly like

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Speaker 4: little boys saying slurs and stuff. So there's like PlayStation

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Speaker 4: Live or whatever Neopets. You can really just kind of

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Speaker 4: do your own thing, got it? And I celebrate that.

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Speaker 4: The games are awesome. They still have all the old games.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, and I've been gambling. I've been auctioning things off.

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Speaker 4: Oh I've got another house in Fairyland. It's a nice house.

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Speaker 4: Yeah No, that's the most expensive house, Jack, So it's

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Speaker 4: actually kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah No, that's great real estate if you can get it.

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Speaker 4: That's really hard, really really competitive field, which that's why

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Speaker 2: So far, I've been gambling. I've been auctioning stuff off.

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Speaker 1: Just just cut that. Let's use that as how have

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Speaker 1: you been been I've been auctioning stuff off.

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Speaker 2: What's something you think is underrated? All right?

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Speaker 6: So this is underrated for me. I think this has

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Speaker 6: a fine place in the world. But I finally, I've

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Speaker 6: always been like, screw this, and now I've joined the team,

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Speaker 6: so I've I've you know, I went a little sideways

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Speaker 6: with this one. Okay, guess what, guys, I've been working out. Okay,

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Speaker 6: I'm now a workout person, all right. And I've always

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Speaker 6: been the person that's like, you don't have to buy

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Speaker 6: stupid expensive workout clothes. Just wear whatever radish shirt you

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Speaker 6: just who cares what you look like. But now that

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Speaker 6: I've been working out, someone gifted me, because I would

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Speaker 6: Lulu Lemon leggings, and I put them on. Yeah, I

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Speaker 6: cannot believe how good I look. I don't know what

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Speaker 6: they put in that magic material, but I was like,

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Speaker 6: that's how I could. It's it's like getting professional makeup

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Speaker 6: done where for a TV thing and then you look

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Speaker 2: Must have been some magic.

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Speaker 6: So I think people say that people have very you know,

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Speaker 6: divided feelings on that brand in particular because it's pretty

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Speaker 1: But and the racism, that's.

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Speaker 2: The other part. I couldn't But when I read that

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Speaker 2: thing about like why they named it, and there was

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Speaker 2: like a joke of like, because I thought it'd be

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Speaker 2: funny to hear Japanese people try to say Lulu Lemon

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Speaker 2: and is that for real? Look it up? No, I

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Speaker 2: thought you were joking. I remember that.

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Speaker 6: Now I'm I'm lighting the fire. I'm gonna light them

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Speaker 6: on fire, these likings. No, they'll probably fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a there's a lot of uh, you can

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Speaker 2: just search Lululemon Japanese pronunciations. I remember learning that to like,

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Speaker 2: what did that? Can't horrifed? Yeah, So it was because

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Speaker 2: it was quote funny to watch Japanese people try to

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Speaker 2: say it, not Australians. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like for a while people were I don't know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get they didn't become like workout clothes didn't become

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Speaker 1: a thing that people wear all times of the day,

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Speaker 1: even when they're not working out by accident, like they

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Speaker 1: have made adjustments to make them look good. They're like

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Speaker 1: somewhere between we're like what used to be workout clothes

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Speaker 1: and like future the clothes from the future of like movies. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, like sci fi movies.

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Speaker 4: And it's literally Astronaut where.

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Speaker 1: They have done good work like they have like I

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Speaker 1: get why they've taken over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I go between working out in like some workout like

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Speaker 1: of working out, and like feel like, hey, that looks okay.

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Speaker 1: And then sometimes I just work out and cloth like

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Speaker 1: like things I sleep in, And I definitely feel better

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Speaker 1: when I'm in the ones that like are for working

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Speaker 1: out and actually look good. I feel like it's probably

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Speaker 1: not dissimilar from you know how Gatorade, Like they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this shit doesn't like actually have chemicals in it that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get to.

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Speaker 1: Picture yourself as Michael Jordan, like having glowing sweat.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I also think because gatorade tastes so good,

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Speaker 6: and fifty milli liter bottles, which is, you know, it's

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Speaker 6: a lot of liquid, and it tastes so good, you

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Speaker 6: just go and so you do hydrate because you're drinking

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Speaker 2: This is actually makes me we have longer.

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Speaker 6: Although I will tell you that my kid, this was

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Speaker 6: actually last last year, right around Thanksgiving. He was not

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Speaker 6: feeling well, little kid, and so he requested Gatorade and

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Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, that's probably good, hydrate you. And

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Speaker 6: so he likes the red one, which I think most

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Speaker 6: everywhere that day, glow red.

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Speaker 4: That was very hard to get out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was very out of furniture and your mind

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Speaker 2: Look like.

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Speaker 6: The TV remotes, So those were forever gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the button stick now and yeah, my kids called

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Speaker 1: gatorade sports good.

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Speaker 2: And sports good, sports good, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Which I feel like that's sports good, sports good.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I will say is the guy Chip

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Speaker 2: Wilson who's started, he's he stepped down from the company.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's funny because it's like there,

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Speaker 2: it came up in this he said. It's like it's

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Speaker 2: just I had a skating brand called Homeless, and the

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Speaker 2: Japanese people, I think they liked it because there was

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Speaker 2: I start a brand, I'm gonna have l's in it,

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Speaker 2: because l's aren't in their vote. It's like this very

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Speaker 2: like weird exoticized orientalism take on like Japanese.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah that guy, Yeah, I know, the guys

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Speaker 2: Right exactly that you had from the nineties. That's your

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all the utensils that are black, the plastic kind

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Speaker 8: Doing your thing aka getting the wrong thing. At restaurants,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was anyone doesn't know is like it's like

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Speaker 1: I think it's already you definitely food don't need it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, it was both times some version of I'm

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Speaker 1: We do like to ask our guest, what is something

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Speaker 6: Face times I'm sick of them. I don't want them anymore.

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Speaker 4: I don't like them.

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Speaker 2: They never work out.

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Speaker 6: Usually if it's a little kid, they're just looking at

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Speaker 4: Like it's not a real thing.

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Speaker 2: It is not opportunity.

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Speaker 1: It is an exercise in poop emojis, that is absolutely true.

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Speaker 6: Or like turn into an octopus, turn into this because

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Speaker 6: Daddy's say hi to Daddy, and I feel like it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, right, it's definitely like it's good

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Speaker 6: Let me throw this by you. Do you not look

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Speaker 2: Everybody except my children. Yeah, that's all the time, all

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Speaker 6: It's the black utensils of communication.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is good for us. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, slack?

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Speaker 4: Did you ever have to slack?

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Speaker 2: God? I'm so for too many jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's too much. Yeah, I forget what the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, Yeah, the one the one good thing about

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Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing? How was school? Where do you go?

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Speaker 1: The phones just facing the ceiling as they're like somewhere

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nailed it.

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Speaker 6: You nailed it because okay, again, I know that life

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Speaker 4: But there's a mom.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my god, there's nothing better than walking.

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Speaker 2: You're walking.

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Speaker 6: You're walking people out of your own FaceTime.

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Speaker 2: Right yea.

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Speaker 1: All right, well let's let's get into some news and

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Speaker 1: let's get it face time equivalent of prayer. I guess yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's finally happened, you know, we were and I feel

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Speaker 2: is some like thirty two year old actor with a beard. Yeah, yeah,

442
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: I mean, how are you my child? But once you

443
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: go in the booth, a disclaimer pops up. This is

444
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: quote I think that Jesus says, do not disclose personal

445
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: information under any circumstances.

446
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: Jesus literally does the disclaimer. Yeah, that is wild to me.

447
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 2: Use this service at your own risk. Now press the

448
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Speaker 2: button if you accept, and these kind.

449
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Doing it in a way that's like urgent, like do

450
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: not do not disclose personal information any circumstances because we'll

451
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: get burned.

452
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Speaker 2: What are you to produce of my information?

453
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Speaker 6: Jesus going like why why is it?

454
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Speaker 2: Why? It's just the Christ I mean, is.

455
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Speaker 6: It because they don't want to have to deal with

456
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 6: the legal ramifications of someone admitting a crime, Like what

457
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 6: is the actual issue?

458
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Speaker 2: I'm sure someone who has better understanding of the technology

459
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: than I could explain. But I don't know if like

460
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: maybe it does somehow get internalized and then repeated in

461
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Speaker 2: some way.

462
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 1: My guess would be so this is an art installation.

463
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: This is not like from Google that they do not

464
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Speaker 1: have the technology to ensure the like information security of

465
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Speaker 1: like what is being shared, and so they're.

466
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Speaker 2: Like, hey, don't till a ship bro Okay, Jeff Bezos

467
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: owns that if you do.

468
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Speaker 6: AI Jesus, Ai Jesus, I'd just like to open up

469
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Speaker 6: with my social Security.

470
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Speaker 2: Number, go ahead, by child and your date of birth.

471
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Speaker 2: And look, I only ask as a joke because obviously

472
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: I know. But for the record, let's for the record. Yes,

473
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: why is your password mask? Yeah? So, I mean, I

474
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: guess the point is to apparently give people a tangible

475
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Speaker 2: experience with AI sort of spur conversations around the limitations

476
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: and uses of the technology. The theologian who works at

477
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: the church explained why he agreed to having this thing

478
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: in there. He said, quote, what we're doing here is

479
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Speaker 2: an experiment. We wanted to launch the discussion by letting

480
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: people have a very concrete experience with AI. That way

481
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: we have a foundation for talking about it and discussing

482
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Speaker 2: it with one another. He also said that there are

483
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Speaker 2: there are some positives to AI Jesus, which is quote,

484
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: he's accessible twenty four hours a day, so has the

485
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Speaker 2: abilities that pastors don't.

486
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Speaker 1: So and you can also be sure he's not jacking

487
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Speaker 1: off in there, which is more than we got for

488
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Speaker 1: the pastors.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, okay, just want to throw this is not

490
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 6: pastors who listen are going to be mad at me

491
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 6: right now. But let's not pretend pastors are the same

492
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 6: thing as Jesus. A okay, right right, B This is

493
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Speaker 6: what my mother would say about anyone who was a

494
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 6: religious figure. She would just say, oh, they're just people

495
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Speaker 6: who don't want to work, so.

496
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Speaker 2: That those are the real bums God freaking leaning on

497
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Speaker 2: this magic show.

498
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they say they talked to God a.

499
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Speaker 1: Priest, so uh yeah, yeah they did. My dad thought

500
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Speaker 1: I was going to be a priest.

501
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: How did you lean on a kid to be a priest?

502
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Speaker 7: Like?

503
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Speaker 2: What did they see in you that they're like Jack?

504
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: You might be a man of God. He told me

505
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Speaker 2: after the fact.

506
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: He was like, maybe you were gonna head.

507
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, bore down and pick up. Ye

508
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: yeah were you.

509
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Speaker 6: Did you ever say anything as a kid that you

510
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Speaker 6: can remember about having a conversation.

511
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Speaker 4: Speak to God?

512
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

513
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: My dad's very religious, and so I talk to him

514
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: about religion stuff because that's what he wanted to talk about.

515
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: And so you know it.

516
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I just always wore a black shirt

517
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: buttoned all the way up with a little wet Yeah.

518
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 2: That was it.

519
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Speaker 6: Just keep cutting out construction paper.

520
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there might be advantages to this AI Jesus,

521
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: because at least this one like actually can hear you

522
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: and respond, So it definitely has the advantage over the

523
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: current ghost stories. Jesus, that's mostly just do it in

524
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Speaker 2: your head.

525
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 6: What happened to creativity to do in your head?

526
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: Were outsourcing Jesus?

527
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, ask Jesus for something and then you know,

528
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 6: the answer appears because you just think about it all

529
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 6: the time and then it comes to you and you go, Jesus,

530
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 6: g this, Yeah, come on.

531
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Speaker 1: Now. The one thing we've seen people repeatedly enjoy about AI,

532
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: there's like this acentific breakthrough the decoding of like protein,

533
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: So like, I think they're gonna be very specific scientific

534
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: uses for AI that are gonna be great. And then

535
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: I think AI is going to be fun for people

536
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: to play with. And that's what this feels like. It's

537
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: like a one on one toy to play with. Like

538
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: people really rushed into the like AI therapist thing, and

539
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 1: that has like some very real problems mistakes to it.

540
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: But with like religion, you know they're gonna do this

541
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: though some people replace actual you know, mental wellness with

542
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: religion too true, and it is.

543
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: Like leaves a little bit more to like because he's

544
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, why don't you pray on it?

545
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: That seems to be his advice, like looking at what

546
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 1: people are saying, Like I got so much out of it.

547
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: He just like told me that it's kind of up

548
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: to me, and I just need to pray on it

549
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: and be nice to people.

550
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 6: Right right, I mean, if that's what they need, And

551
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 6: I just somehow got a twenty five dollars gift certificate

552
00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 6: to Amazon.

553
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Right get.

554
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 6: To your point, Miles, though, you are correct. Because social

555
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 6: services are so unavailable to so many people, they go

556
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 6: to the church, and a lot of pastors and ministers

557
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 6: are finding that they are they are social workers.

558
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, really and yeah, I listened to Joe Biden.

559
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: I use the cops for that person, he says. I.

560
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: We don't need to defund the police. We need to

561
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: fund them more. There are therapists, there are counselors. They

562
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: are daddy, and so I just leaned all the way in.

563
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: I'm call nine one one.

564
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: Being like yep, she said it again is being said

565
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: a little rude officer.

566
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Speaker 6: Officer, O'Malley, do you think? Do you think I should

567
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 6: have to find his glasses?

568
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think? Officer George

569
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: hyper extended his knee. I'm not right, sorry, sorry, but no,

570
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: they go ahead.

571
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna say when I use Chat, I use

572
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 6: chat GBT. I do use chat GBT pretty regularly. I

573
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 6: don't pay for it. I use the just the open.

574
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 6: And what do I use it for? Mostly writing marketing

575
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 6: documents because I hate doing that. So I'll be like, hey,

576
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 6: can you like write me a description of a live

577
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 6: show that involves blah blah blah, And then we'll write

578
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 6: something and then I'll I'll change it. It's like perfect

579
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 6: first draft instead of just staring at nothing and being like,

580
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 6: I hate this, but I'm always weirdly polite to chat GBT,

581
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 6: I think it. Thank you. This is so great because

582
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 6: I am like, as the thing grows, I want it

583
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 6: to think you.

584
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: Do you want to be on the protective scrolls? Yes, yes,

585
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: of course I get that.

586
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

587
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 6: I don't treat it like a machine. I treat it

588
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 6: purposefully like.

589
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: A future oppressor. Yeah. Just think case, Just think case.

590
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: NBC is treating the Trump administration stink case.

591
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna lay down now.

592
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 6: I think we should in lines of dial analogy against.

593
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: You never know.

594
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, actually that has always been my least

595
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 6: favorite thing anyone has ever said about that.

596
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: When you're like, I.

597
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: Can't believe this person. I hate them, I can't believe.

598
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 6: They do the between They're like, they've always been nice

599
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 6: to me. I've always hate that person.

600
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: Die. Yeah, I just think again, as someone who went

601
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: to like Lutheran and Catholic schools for their childhood, it

602
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: feels like a slippery slope to turn to the toy.

603
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: If the gamification of Jesus, like if this is more widespread,

604
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: because you could see some we've seen versions of like

605
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: AI priests and other things, kind of people fucking around

606
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: with that. I just I wonder if like this actually

607
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: just brings full on atheism to people, Like I don't know,

608
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: Jesus is actually an AI on my phone? Dude.

609
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 6: Oh no, Hybrid churches, it's starting. No one goes to

610
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 6: the office, nobody's going to go to church. They're just

611
00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 6: going to do it.

612
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm their home.

613
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 6: And then yeah, and then someone's gonna buy up all

614
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 6: those buildings and turn them into multimillion dollar luxury condos.

615
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 6: Good job, everybody, pray pray to your AI Jesus as

616
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 6: they take everything away from you, do.

617
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: You hear me?

618
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

619
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: Anyways, In news that's totally unrelated to that, we got

620
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: Ai Santa. The company is selling phone calls with an

621
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: AI Santa clause for the children, presumably because the real

622
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Santa is too busy, I guess obviously. So for fifteen

623
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: dollars a pop, you can pay this company to just

624
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: run a program that will seem like it knows who

625
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: you are.

626
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. O marketing real Yeah no, no, no, none of it.

627
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: I just even like this marketing material, this like depiction

628
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: of it for their like branding. It's like AI slop

629
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: art too, like it's wild. I'm sorry, your chimney is

630
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: also a belt on your home? What form of architecture

631
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: is this again? And why does Santa only have three

632
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: fingers on his right hand right? So Santa, Yeah, I

633
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: do just want to hear.

634
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: So it says give a live call from get a

635
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: live call from Santa, like Miles said, it's a house

636
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: like very christmasy. There's snow on the roof, there's smoke

637
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: coming out of like the roof where the chimney would be,

638
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: but no chimney. And then there is where the chimney

639
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: would be is a bell tower?

640
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

641
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: And then again this is the thing that we've noticed

642
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: now two episodes in a row, because we talked yesterday

643
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: about how Coca Cola redid their holidays are coming at

644
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: and it opens with the trucks breathing, like the trucks

645
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: have smoke coming out.

646
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Of their grill.

647
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Grill yeah, yeah, bread because and now we have the

648
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: house has like chimney smoke coming out of just like

649
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: the corner next to where the chimney is.

650
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: And then yeah, like you.

651
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: Said, a bell tower. Also the image is Santa Claus

652
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: approaching the house on foot, while a giant, like the

653
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: iron giant sized Santa Claus, is standing next to the house.

654
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: So two Santa is one normal size one that is

655
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: the size of the iron Giant standing next to the

656
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: house on a phone. It's kind of a phone call.

657
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: It's it's a take of God, He's omnipresent, right.

658
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Speaker 6: I think, taken slightly in a different context. It looks

659
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 6: like this house is on fire and it's a warning thing.

660
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 6: See there's one Santa that's running towards it to try

661
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 6: to save the person that's in the window. And it's

662
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: also reminding you to evil giant Santa. It's calling nine

663
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 6: to one to one.

664
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay, this going on? Norman bates his mother. Yeah, this thing,

665
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: what is this aberration? And also the window frame apparently

666
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: goes behind the person, like it's not an actual frame

667
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: of the window. Oh yeah, I think that. I got

668
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: to point out the typo, get a live call from Santa,

669
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: create a memory, read that last forever.

670
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: That last forever. Everything is good. I gat so the

671
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: the Jesus reviews were actually like pretty.

672
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 2: I was surprised.

673
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: It was so easy though it's a machine. It gave

674
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: me so much advice. I liked weighing advice based on

675
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: like the poundage. I like my advice by the pound.

676
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: But in this case we have a reviewer who did

677
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: the deal. I'm actually kind of impressed with how well

678
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: the call went. And it didn't go well, but like

679
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: so they told them what they wanted for Christmas. They

680
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: told them for a personal thing about themselves. They were like, hey,

681
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I just had a pet fish that passed away, which

682
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: very easily could be you know, the things that I

683
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: think my kids would tell Santa before a call might

684
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: be like their petfish that died, and like a couple

685
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: of things they wanted fun rings. It says Santa Claus

686
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: on your phone, and he's calling from Maine for some reason.

687
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: High up is this, STEFFI, This is Santa calling from

688
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: the North Pole in Maine. I couldn't wait to talk

689
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: to you. How are you, my friend? And so the

690
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: writer's like his voice was booming, jolly. Did it sound real?

691
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: Not quite human like, but realistic enough it'll threw me

692
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: off my guard. They're like, I'm good, Santa.

693
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: How are you?

694
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing wonderfully, Thank you for asking. Steffy. The North

695
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Pole is bustling with excitement as the elves and I

696
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: prepare for Christmas? Tell me, do you still have your pet?

697
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: Catch up? How are they doing?

698
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: The one thing they were told, the one thing Santa

699
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: was told was fucking.

700
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: That this fish had died. Immediately, it is like, hey,

701
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: how's your pey? How are they physically? Like? How are

702
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: they doing? Child? Like?

703
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be a conversation happening with the child.

704
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 6: I hope that this they get better on that, because

705
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 6: you don't want that Ai sand to be like, how's

706
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 6: your dad?

707
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

708
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: Exactly did you say, Santa? You fucking asshole. Wait, I

709
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: want to hear it because that writer at the Daily

710
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: Beast who did it uploaded the actual audio from the

711
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: football just so you can kind of get a feel

712
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: for this thing. He died.

713
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: I told him, I'm so sorry to hear that, Stephie.

714
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I know that Ketchup was a special part of your family.

715
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: And he surely and then the audio cut.

716
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: Tell me, do you still have your pet? Oh?

717
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: That sounds like shure they brow wow.

718
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 6: No, he died.

719
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that, Steffie. I know

720
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 5: Ketchup was a special part of your family and he surely.

721
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: It discuts out?

722
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 5: He surely what Santa Ketchup was such a special poll

723
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 5: of your family, And I know he brought you lots

724
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 5: of joy. I hope you have fond memories to hold

725
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 5: on to. Would you like to share one of your

726
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: favorite memory with Ketchup?

727
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, this sounds like a fucking

728
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: speaking spell. This sounds like shit.

729
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: It sounds like a home depot lawn ornament that has

730
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: like vocal like sounds coming out of it.

731
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: It's like, you, loo, child, Wow, this is way worse

732
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: than I thought.

733
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

734
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I.

735
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 6: Gotta say, when you were just doing your dramatic reading, Jack,

736
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 6: I was like, eh, forget about being a preacher. You

737
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 6: a career happening right now?

738
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right?

739
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: And this guy sucks so even more. You can hire

740
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: me to call your kids fifteen dollars in the hour.

741
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 6: Oh my god, get ready to make some cash.

742
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, it like, would you like to share a

743
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: message of your dead pet that I just asked you about?

744
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: Is like such a week Like it really feels like

745
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: you're in a fucking foam tree, you know, Like, whereas.

746
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 6: I'm sure he was special in a few.

747
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: Words, can you tell us, what your problem? Do you

748
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: care to describe the day? Catch up? Passed away in

749
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: great details?

750
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 5: Sent up?

751
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: It's kind of my king when he was flushed down.

752
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 6: Did you say goodbye?

753
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: Right?

754
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 6: And then it just cuts off?

755
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, just then immediately cuts off. So anyway, uh ai,

756
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, magical people all around learning.

757
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: It's learning that this mistakes. The one thing this has

758
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: is like, I mean, it's not inexhaustible time because obviously,

759
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: as we know, it's burning down like chunks of the

760
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: rainforest every time you use.

761
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: Something like this.

762
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: But like I would assume the thing is like, yeah,

763
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: but we can just like the kids can talk and

764
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: like the thing will interact and like it's a fun

765
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: toy to play with. But like the toy or the

766
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Santa was like trying to get them off the line.

767
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: They were like, all right, better go, better get going now,

768
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: and they're like, wait, don't you want to ask what

769
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: I want for Christmas?

770
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: All right, I'm good on that.

771
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Like you spent so much of the call apologizing, I'm

772
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: so sorry, Stephie. I definitely want to know what do

773
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: you want for Christmas this year?

774
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: And then Santa Claus.

775
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: And then and then to the author, says I'd like.

776
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: Then I heard nothing but the dial tone.

777
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: Santa had hung up.

778
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely want to hear what you

779
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: want for Christmas?

780
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: Don't you tell me? Hang up? More on that later.

781
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: More on that later, asshole later. This is just so man,

782
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: this is fifteen bucks is such a racket, because this

783
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: is some shit you can do for free that you

784
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: just absolutely you have a fucking wacky friend who likes

785
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: to do bits, just have the fucking call and they

786
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: can do it. They can say whatever the PHO said.

787
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 6: You're seventeen, dying mall, go to a dying mall, go

788
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 6: see that, Santa.

789
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: I think.

790
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 6: I don't know if you know this, but I as

791
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 6: a Jew, As a Jew, I wanted to see the

792
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 6: mall Santa.

793
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: And my mom wouldn't let.

794
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 6: Me because that was just not part of our tradition.

795
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 6: And I begged her because all of my friends were going.

796
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 6: Begged her and begged her, and she finally said fine,

797
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 6: and I was so excited, but I was afraid. And

798
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 6: then when I got in there and sand was like,

799
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 6: what would you like for Christmas?

800
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 4: Little girl?

801
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 6: I just went I'm Jewish, like I could not handle

802
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 6: the pressure.

803
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: And he said that's okay, so am I.

804
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the greatest mall Santa ever. I wouldn't come up

805
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: with that ship, you know what, Hey, I would have said,

806
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Oh fear. Uh yeah, would you like

807
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: to talk about how hard it is to be Jewish?

808
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: I gotta gotta go. I thought your mom was gonna

809
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 2: tell you that mal Santa's were also people who didn't

810
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: want a real job.

811
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, no, you know what she told me when

812
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 6: I told her that Santa was Jewish? She told me

813
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 6: she said, well, of course he is. Who else do

814
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 6: you think works on Christmas?

815
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: She told me, God damn your mom great bars.

816
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: Bars Yeah, yeah, you know j C was jew too,

817
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: So there you go.

818
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, when I told my friend Santa was Jewish, they

819
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 6: were mad.

820
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: They're mad. You got some calls from your mom, got

821
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: some calls from some other angry parents. What do you fear?

822
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: Just tell my daughter about Santa.

823
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break, we'll come back,

824
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: We'll talk about some other bullshit. We'll be right back,

825
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: and we're back. You have the sentence about kind of

826
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: a psychological dynamic that I've found to be true that

827
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: I thought was really important that you write a therapist

828
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: friend of mine reiterates to me all the time that

829
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: acting with agency is the primary way to avoid being

830
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: traumatized by negative experiences. This is a big thing in

831
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: recovery from like addiction. There's like the serenity prayer that

832
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: I think everybody has heard, where it asks for the

833
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: courage to change the things you have power over. But

834
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: I've had somebody who I've worked with pointed out it's

835
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: actually like the reverse. A lot of the time, you

836
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: change the things that need to be changed, and the

837
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: courage comes from that. But you need you need that

838
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: first action to build on and hopefully it's not an

839
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: action that kind of meets with Yeah, like you were saying,

840
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: like manipulation or shame or dismissiveness. So I like that

841
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: so far you've been kind of emphasizing building with people

842
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: you know and trust to begin with, and then like

843
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: plugging into existing existing groups. But yeah, doing so kind

844
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: of in a well informed way.

845
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Anyways, I thought that was cool.

846
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: Where you also talk about this need to de escalate

847
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: conflict that isn't with the enemy. And one thing that's

848
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: come up a few times in the aftermath of the

849
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: election for me is this idea that I feel like

850
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: we need to really in some political way that feels real,

851
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: like target the mainstream Democratic Party and it like more

852
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: specifically like not allow them to do the thing they

853
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: do with activism. That is, basically, any anything that you

854
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: are doing that doesn't like fall within the realm of

855
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: like neoliberalism is actually unrealistic and childish basically. But I

856
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: guess I'm curious when you say de escalate conflict that

857
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: isn't with the enemy, Like who is the enemy? Are

858
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: you deciding that kind of person by person and just

859
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: or group by group, or how are you thinking about that?

860
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: I make that decision conflict by conflict. If I find

861
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: myself like kind of in a conflict, I have to

862
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: think to myself, like, is this person my enemy? And

863
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: sometimes even if they're like ideologically the same as me

864
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: in surface ways, they might be my enemy, right if

865
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: someone is trying to hurt me or my friends, right,

866
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: you know. But but then even then I'm kind of like,

867
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: on the other hand, I've.

868
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 4: Successfully de escalated conflicts with people who.

869
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: Are trying to hurt me physically, you know, And that

870
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: is a better solution to that problem, right than if

871
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: I had like beat them up or gotten beaten up, right.

872
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: But I do think that I can't dictate for other

873
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: people what counts as the enemy as much as like say,

874
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: if you are in a conflict, just really saying yourself,

875
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: is this person actually my enemy? And most of the

876
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: time they're not. And it is interesting to me because

877
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: overall people, individual people are unlikely to be my enemy.

878
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: There are individuals like just fascists, right, people who are like,

879
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm a fascist. I like fascism, right, But if they

880
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: stop being fascists, they probably stop being my enemy. And

881
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: I think we need to have like an off road

882
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 3: for people to leave hate groups and things like that.

883
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: But there's also I live in like a center right

884
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: area right the I live in West Virginia. There is

885
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: not a county in West Virginia that went for Harris,

886
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: which is depressing because West Virginia exists because it's the

887
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: part of Virginia that didn't want to die over slavery,

888
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: right and you know, actually died on the other side,

889
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: like fighting against But it is what it is. It

890
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: is now a center right state or a deep right state,

891
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: depending on where you're at. But I don't believe I

892
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: don't conceive of my neighbors as my enemies, and I'm

893
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: grateful that they do not appear to conceive of me

894
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: as their enemy either, right, But the Republican Party is

895
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: my enemy, and yeah, frankly, the Democratic Party is also

896
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 3: my enemy, at least structurally. I believe that the Democratic

897
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 3: Party exists to co opt protest energy and like movement

898
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: energy and turn it into this thing that has never

899
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: proven once that it can shift things to the left.

900
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: All it can do is slow, not even stop slow

901
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: right word creep right, right right. And so they are

902
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: doing the work that I oppose, and I want to

903
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: oppose it, and so I'm going to organize to oppose it.

904
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: And I have enemies on the left. I specifically strongly

905
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: disagree with authoritarian like communist tendencies, and not here isn't

906
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: the word communism. The problem here for me is the

907
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: word authoritarian. Like I and I'm not trying to tell

908
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: anyone in the crowd what to think, but I, like

909
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: I am opposed to people trying to advocate for a

910
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: totalitarian society, regardless of what it's.

911
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: Called, you know.

912
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: And but but then the people who are necessary sometimes

913
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: the people who are arguing for that are could be

914
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: fellow travelers, and they've just been convinced that there's this

915
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: strategy that will magically work that has never worked, you know,

916
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: And and so enemy is weird. It is weird to

917
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: have enemies. But I also don't want to be like

918
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: there is no enemy. We're all friends, right.

919
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes hug everyone, Thanksgiving?

920
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Like you were saying earlier, like, hey, it

921
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean rumbling in the streets, but like sometimes

922
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: it does, right, And like, maybe you don't want to

923
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: go rumble in the streets, dear listener, but you should

924
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: support the people who beat up fascist in the streets

925
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: because overall, fascism is a coward's ideology. And once they

926
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: get beat up in the streets, they stop coming into

927
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: the streets, and then they stop building successful movement. That

928
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: is not the only or the most effective strategy with

929
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: which to confront them. But the people who go and

930
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: fight them are my friends, you know.

931
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm like, because right now I think you're

932
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: we're beginning to see a lot of misidentifying of quote

933
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: unquote enemies because you know, because the Democratic Party is

934
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: in total free fall and you have people who were

935
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: on the verge of like sort of seeing the light

936
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: about being like this party is actually truly ineffective, and

937
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: it just feels it's the really good at empty promises

938
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: and co opting that. Like twenty twenty, it was like

939
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: we need to do something about the police, and then

940
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's like we should just be a little bit

941
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: nicer to them, and you're like, wait, what the fuck?

942
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: And you're like this just makes your head spin. And

943
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: then there's this version too where you see a lot

944
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: of people who are now from like the you know,

945
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: sort of establishment side of the party, people who are

946
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: like blue no matter who types immediately now going after again,

947
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: we're seeing like the woke is broke, like why was there,

948
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: why were we trying? Why are we bothering to protect

949
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: vulnerable people like the trans community or what or the

950
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 2: people who are like, hey, Arab voters, I hope you're

951
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: happy now because look who Trump just appointed. Yeah, you know,

952
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: And that's where I'm seeing, like, that's that's a that's

953
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: gonna be a huge setback for sort of like bring

954
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: like creating a larger coalition. But the way those people

955
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: speak at the moment, they're not ready. I think for

956
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: the bigger picture, they are still very much hyper focused

957
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: on the pain of the election loss and are just

958
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: trying to be like it wasn't because of the policies,

959
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: it's because of them. Don't ask me to interrogate what

960
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: the policies are, because I'm not. I'm just not interested

961
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: in that conversation. What how do you like? I guess

962
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: historically when you see like sort of a party that

963
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: was in power, seemed like it was quote unquote doing

964
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: the right things, then collapsed to sort of like usher

965
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: in fascism, what happens to like the scraps of like

966
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 2: the people that were supporting that party, And like how

967
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: important is it for to find to remind people of

968
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: like what the larger issue is because more people you

969
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: see more people blaming than system blaming. Yeah, And I

970
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: think that's what's interesting, is like the needles, definitely a

971
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: lot of people, plenty of people are blaming the system,

972
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: but it feels like more people are blaming other people

973
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: at the moment.

974
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: I think that's a really important point that people are

975
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: blaming people instead of systems. And I think overall we

976
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: need to try and be doing like coalition building and

977
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: stuff with people who are looking to do coalition building,

978
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: who are looking to find to work pluralistically, like to

979
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: you have this kind of a tolerance paradox. You know

980
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: that if you tolerate intolerance, then you lose your tolerance

981
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: or whatever. Right, And I think that that's the same

982
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: is true for like working ideologically pluralistically, where there are

983
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 3: so many people that we can work with who have

984
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: no problem not trying to dominate the movement and tell

985
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 3: everyone what to do. You know, in an activist spaces

986
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: we see this really easily, where like the average church

987
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: group isn't trying to convert you, you know, if they're

988
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: if they're activists, if they're Christian nationalists, they're trying to

989
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: convert or kill you, right. But the average like we're

990
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: the Catholics of the Protestants who bring food to the

991
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: border and give it away. Like those people aren't trying

992
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: to like save your soul. They're just trying to feed you.

993
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: And because they understand those as related you know, or

994
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: in their own theological understandings, and so you can work

995
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: in coalition, you could they would work with like Satanists

996
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: for feeding migrants, right, And and so it's I know,

997
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: I'm kind of only going with half of what you

998
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 3: were saying, and I apologize for that.

999
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no.

1000
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 3: But but to the other part of your question about

1001
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 3: what happens when totalitarian takes over. One of the things

1002
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 3: that I think that people aren't quite as much as like,

1003
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 3: my goal is to spread hope, but not ignorant hope, right.

1004
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: My goal is to we have to soberly look at

1005
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: how bad this situation is so that we can successfully

1006
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: confront it. And one of the things that could happen

1007
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: and has happened a lot, is that when totalitarians and

1008
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: totalitarianism comes in, it comes in fast. You know, when

1009
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: Hitler came to power, he was arresting his enemies of

1010
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: the night he came to power, right, And that's not

1011
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: always the case. I actually don't think that's going to

1012
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: be the case in the United States. That is, I'm

1013
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: still in the United States, you know, like making my

1014
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: decisions based on the fact that I don't think that

1015
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: Trump is going to come to power and then immediately

1016
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: arrest all the leftist podcasters in the progressives and whatever. Right,

1017
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 3: he might criminalize a bunch of stuff and he will

1018
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: make organizing hard, and he will start But on the

1019
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 3: other hand, there actually are already groups he's planning to

1020
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: criminalize and do horrible things too, And so it's almost

1021
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: like self important for like for those of us who

1022
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: are citizens to be like, oh, well, he might do

1023
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: the following. He's like, he said, which very large group

1024
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 3: of people he wants to put into camps.

1025
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't mean it. We've all learned. Yeah, he tells

1026
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: us the horrible thing he's about. Oh wait a second, Yeah,

1027
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: he always does.

1028
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: He's done it every time. That's right.

1029
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: He's actually the most politician we've had in this country

1030
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: for a very long time. Someone's going to use that

1031
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: out of context. He he tries to hold to his

1032
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: campaign promises. Right, they're monsters. He's like, I'm going to

1033
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: be a monster, and everyone's like, hooray, He's going to

1034
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: be a monster, and then he yeah, is so. And

1035
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: then of course all of the people who are going

1036
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: to go benthany And I really like that framing of it.

1037
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: I think that's a good framing of it. There's no

1038
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 3: safety in that, Like, there's no Yeah, there's all of

1039
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: the people who voted for him and are like now

1040
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: going to all of their stuff is going to be

1041
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: twice as expensive, you know, it's anyway, whatever.

1042
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could kill it on eBay as a seller.

1043
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: He just bought a ton of like some Chinese made

1044
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: stuff and yeah, just something that something else that you've

1045
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: raised that I think the election results should probably have

1046
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: made clear to a lot of people.

1047
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: But you're right that moderate reforms are won by making

1048
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: radical demands. If you demand moderate reforms, you generally get nothing.

1049
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: And it just also it seems like the suppressing of

1050
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: the protests helped cause the democratic kind of cratering that

1051
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: we just saw, both the suppressing of the pro Palestinian

1052
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: protests on college campuses, but just protests in general by

1053
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party is like something they feels like they've

1054
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: been pretty hostile towards and thus it's been harder for

1055
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: people on the left to build kind of community and

1056
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: sort of the structures that we're talking about needing. But

1057
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: give examples of like the two types of movements, like

1058
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: the radical demands versus like the ones that make moderate demands.

1059
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, I could do that.

1060
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: But first of your point about the suppressing protests, I

1061
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: think the Democratic Party is very good at building off

1062
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: of the momentum of protests and from my point of

1063
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: you co opting it, but that's not the only way

1064
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: to view it, and so yeah, of course, but then

1065
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: they want to be the only adults in the room.

1066
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: So when they're in charge, everyone is a bunch of

1067
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: children if they protest against them, and so yeah, of

1068
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: course it doesn't work. Like I think, if they were smarter,

1069
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: they would have been like, we too, support free Palestine

1070
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 3: without doing anything.

1071
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: They would have to.

1072
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: All they would have to do is give lip service, right,

1073
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: And you see Biden try to pull this at the

1074
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: last minute, being like thirty days and then later being

1075
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: like just kidding, I don't care.

1076
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: Do whatever you want.

1077
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: Psych Yeah, but in terms of radical and moderate demands, okay,

1078
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 3: the abolition of legal chattel slavery in the United States,

1079
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 3: it reformist abolition. They tried that for a century or so.

1080
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: And the primary argument that they would make is they

1081
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: came up with all these like you know, they saw

1082
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 3: it as like very mature and compromising positions where they're like, well,

1083
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: what if we slowly buy people out of slavery, Like

1084
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: what if we allow you know, we have to of course,

1085
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: we have to pay back the slave owners, right, you know,

1086
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: they of course need to because their property has been

1087
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 3: taken away from them. You knows, all of these arguments

1088
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: that they made for a very long time, and now

1089
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: some of the reforms that they've pushed for, I will say,

1090
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: actually did accomplish things like stopping importation of enslaved people.

1091
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: Had some impact, but it very clearly took a zealot, right, Well,

1092
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 3: it took a lot of zalots and a lot of

1093
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: blood to stop legal chattel slavery in the United States.

1094
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: It took a whole ass war, and it took the

1095
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 3: demand we're going to kill you if you don't stop

1096
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: enslaving people, right, that was the demand that made any

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Speaker 3: of this possible. And what's funny is that they actually

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00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: could have The South could have at that point probably

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Speaker 3: sued for peace in a way that there was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: we accept the compromise, pay us for what we could have,

1101
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: pay us for our losses, and we'll stop. Like that

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00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 3: was a that was an offer that they that was

1103
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: on the table more or less, right, And so they

1104
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: could have gotten the moderate thing, but instead they were

1105
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: like wanted to go whole hog.

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00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: And got killed. And to help them.

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Speaker 3: But another example of this, like gaining moderate things by

1108
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: being a radical group is you have the Young Lords,

1109
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: which is a Puerto Rican radical movement comparable to the

1110
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 3: Black Panthers in the nineteen sixties and seventies, and they

1111
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: were in Chicago and New York City primarily. They're actually

1112
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: still around, but they're like sort of Heyday, and some

1113
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: of the things that they accomplished are really tangible. We

1114
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: have the Patient's Bill of Rights. They did a lot

1115
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 3: of healthcare focused work, right. They took over hospitals time

1116
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: and time again, well maybe only twice, I don't remember,

1117
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: but they did it a bunch.

1118
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: Right.

1119
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: They would like go in carjack X ray vans and

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Speaker 3: bring them into neighborhoods like where minorities were living, because

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00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: the x ray vans were only going into these white

1122
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: neighborhoods in order to search for tuberculosis and stuff in

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00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: the community.

1124
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: Right.

1125
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: And they also got trash pick up in New York City.

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: They completely got it overhauled. And it wasn't that they

1127
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: formed the coalition of concerned voters who care about trash

1128
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: pick up, Could you please change the way that trash

1129
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: is picked up. They just started collecting all the trash

1130
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: and burning it in the streets. And then they and

1131
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: then instead of doing it in their own neighborhood, they

1132
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: drag it out to like the busy intersections where like

1133
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: the rich people had to drive, and then they would

1134
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: just throw street parties and burn all the trash. And

1135
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: finally the city was like, all right, we'll we'll start

1136
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: doing this. What they were fighting for was a free

1137
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico, right right, And they didn't get that, right,

1138
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: but by trying to get that, they got an awful lot,

1139
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: and they got stuff that people who were asking for

1140
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: moderate demands weren't going to get ever.

1141
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because in your sub steck you also point

1142
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: to the summer of twenty twenty like it rightly. It

1143
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: wasn't like we're like we want Joe Biden, so we're

1144
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: out here, you know, right yeah, because people are in

1145
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: the streets being like, we need to defund this shit.

1146
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: These people like we have authoritarian anti black like racism,

1147
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: like with people who are have been given and the

1148
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: blessing by the state to take people's lives. We need

1149
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: to fucking end this. The police phrase ever come up

1150
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: with the swamps? I know about it, LUSA, but like

1151
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 2: he does this, like you know, that was a point

1152
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 2: where we were asking there were a lot of people

1153
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: came together to ask for these larger reforms. You got

1154
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: it in varying degrees in some places. But what it

1155
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: did do in the end was fully blunt the momentum

1156
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: of a Trump reelection, which in that moment, Yeah, that

1157
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: that was that was a that was a that was

1158
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: a nice thing that we got. That we had an

1159
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: end at least to the Trump administration. Now, the co

1160
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: opting definitely happened. What I mean, we saw it all

1161
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: the time. All I can think about is Nancy Pelosi

1162
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: with the can take cloth on and the rotunda and

1163
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's over. They did it. That was it.

1164
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's worse than it was before.

1165
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: Right exactly. But to that point is if enough people

1166
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: clearly become incensed about a thing and come together to

1167
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: do that something thing, things happen, whether directly or indirectly.

1168
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: And I think that was one of the biggest takeaways

1169
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: for me reading the sub stack was when people are

1170
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: able to act collectively, there are going to be results.

1171
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 2: It might not be the intended top of the list thing,

1172
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: but other things do come from it that end up

1173
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: being somewhat of a positive or at least begin to

1174
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: beget you know, create conversations that you have like in LA,

1175
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: where the city controller became someone who's like, my whole

1176
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: thing now is just posting police budgets on the billboards,

1177
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: so people of LA understand like where the money's going. Wow,

1178
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: And you just get these like sort of smaller things

1179
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: and more people become a little bit aware. And I

1180
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: think that's the thing that we sort of have to

1181
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: sort of emphasize for ourselves, is to know that the

1182
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: time will come where we will need to sort of

1183
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: figure out a way that how we're going to contribute

1184
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: to make something better, and that it is possible, and

1185
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: you can do it in a way that is specific

1186
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: to whatever your level or ability is of whether if

1187
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: your ability you're you're like, whether it's physical abilities or

1188
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: just whatever your your comfort level is with being in

1189
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: physical space or putting yourself in a situation where you

1190
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: might have to be confronted by law enforcement, et cetera.

1191
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: But there are many ways to do this, so it

1192
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: doesn't have to feel like, well, it's either I'm putting

1193
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: on a uniform and I'm out there in the streets

1194
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: doing my thing cracking heads. No, No, that there is

1195
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: a there are many other ways, and I think it's

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: important that we get together, identify within our own communities

1197
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: or like we all need to talk about this, like

1198
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: if I need medication, do you like, like what? How

1199
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: far out can you get? How far can you drive?

1200
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: Do you have a generator? Do you have these kinds

1201
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: of skills? Who does Oh? Are they down too? Do

1202
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: they think like us? Okay?

1203
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 5: Cool?

1204
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: Now we have fifteen people, and among us we have

1205
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: an engineer, we have someone who has a medical background,

1206
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: we have someone with the skills for horticle whatever. It

1207
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: is that you begin to understand that they're like, collectively,

1208
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: we can actually do a lot of things will keep

1209
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: us safe while also keeping an eye on the larger goal,

1210
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: which is to, you know, again, try and blunt the

1211
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: momentum of fascism in the country. So I think that's

1212
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: the one thing I hope a lot of people are

1213
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: able to sort of get in touch with it. It's

1214
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: as easy as you need it to be, but the

1215
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: hard bit is just to take that first step, and

1216
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: you can take it as comfortably as you want, but

1217
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: make sure you are focusing on how you either you're

1218
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: going to keep yourself safe, your friends safe, whatever, and

1219
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: then from there so many other things can branch off,

1220
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: and it doesn't have to look like you know, whatever

1221
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: the scary thing is in your mind that might be

1222
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: putting you off from wanting to take action, because it's

1223
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: very easy and you'll find many other like minded people

1224
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Please like and review the show.

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Speaker 1: If you like. The show means the world to Miles.

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Speaker 1: He needs your validation. Folks. I hope you're having a

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Speaker 1: great weekend and I will talk to you Monday. Bye.